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Speaker 1: over on my other podcast, which is called Savor and

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Speaker 1: it's all about the history, science, and culture of food

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Speaker 1: question of foodie culture, art and all the stuff that

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Speaker 1: You from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline, and welcome

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Speaker 1: back to part two of our Holiday Feast. Who we're

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Speaker 1: talking about food and food culture, because tis the season

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Speaker 1: those articles Caroline about like how to enjoy yourself during

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