WEBVTT - Reality Bites with Monica Garcia 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:10.880 Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema, I am coming to you 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.200 from our new office at Merritt Street Media, which hopefully 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.479 you guys have found out about in prior podcasts and 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.520 all the press that has dropped. LZ is at the 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:23.279 home office in Austin, Texas. We are separated, but we 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.560 are together in this podcast. But we are together because 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.160 of the subject matter and our guests today, because we're 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.960 talking Real house Wives of Salt Lake City. 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:33.239 LZ. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.280 Yes, and you know you are now a Housewives fan, 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.640 or at least you're about as much of a fan 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:41.519 as I could get you to be. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.400 You watched about. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.360 Half the season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.760 and then you tuned back in for like the reunion. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:49.960 I'm happy with that. That's as much as I was. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:51.000 Going to get. 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.880 And you thought that this was some of the best 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.400 reality TV you'd seen in a minute. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:58.640 And I think. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.080 That it is largely in part two, if not all, 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.560 in part thanks to our guest today, the woman who 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.320 some would call her a villain, now some would say 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:15.440 she saved this franchise. Monica Garcia is joining us She 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.000 came on the most recent season of Salt Lake City 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:25.080 as the former assistant of former cast. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:25.959 Member Jen Shaw. 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.440 If you don't know the cliffs notes is, you've probably 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.880 seen the headlines that Real Housewives of Salt Lake City 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:36.760 member Jen Shaw was convicted of fraud of elder people. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.840 She is now doing a time behind bars, and Monica 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.240 came on as her former assistant. That's how she was introduced. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.720 She bonded with the women, and then, in like one 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.000 of the biggest finales in housewives history that made headlines everywhere, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:55.120 it was revealed that in the past, Monica had also 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.760 been part of or the other women accused her of 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:03.960 being all of a housewif lives news coverage, gossip account, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:05.560 reality bontie. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:07.920 So we're gonna ask Monica about it all. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.120 There she is, there, she is. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:14.880 Monica. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:20.240 I'm dying right now, you guys, I am dying. This 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.000 is such a surreal moment for me. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.520 Thank you so much for having me. This is so crazy. 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.160 Wait, why is this a surreal moment for you? Because 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:28.399 I was about to say the same thing. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:35.360 No, I have watched you my entire life, and so 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:40.240 sitting here with you now is like I literally I 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.600 don't have words. It's honestly, completely surreal. I can't even 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.000 believe this, I really can't. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.320 The feeling is mutual because I can't. I can't say 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.680 I've watched you my entire life because you just you 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.680 just made me very old. That's the sad part. You 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.720 have probably watched me your entire life. But no one's 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.200 Lauren's ema. She's a real fan. She's like a legit 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.600 fan of the Housewives and knows it. She could write 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:11.040 the Bible. I have never watched The Housewives, never ever 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:15.200 have watched an episode, except she said, you have to 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.360 watch Salt Lake City. Oh my god, Monica, I've never 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:23.200 felt anything like it. From the get go, the cold open, 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.000 the teaser for the entire season. I literally I had 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.920 her posit and I said, I'm in. I am so in, 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.200 so now I am. Actually, I can't say I'm a 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.680 Housewives fan. I'm only a Salt Lake City fan. Actually, 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.080 it's the only it's the only season I watched, so 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.839 I'm a big fan. We absolutely love it. 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.680 I love you guys so much. You have no idea. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.120 Thank you so much for having me. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.880 Oh, Monica, thank you for being here. And by the way, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:47.839 he's coming to you. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.880 We're usually together, but he like had another interview today 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.520 and postponed it. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:52.880 To talk to you. 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:55.840 I'm not joking. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.600 Oh my god, I have commandeered this conference room here 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.480 in dalla Us. Lauren is coming to you from our 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:02.880 home office in Austin. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.600 Oh my gosh, well, thank you so much. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.800 So we have to talk about Salt Lake City because 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.880 just let's do a thirty thousand foot overview. Yeah, it 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.039 is my opinion, And again I don't necessarily watch them all, 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:20.880 but I understand them all. Is Salt Lake City? I 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.360 feel like it's Housewives on steroids. Why is this show 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.800 with this group of women just so spectacular? 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:29.560 Oh? 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:34.120 Man, you know, I'm going to be completely honest. 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:40.400 I don't feel like it was so spectacular until this 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:41.239 last season. 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.160 And I'm not saying that's because. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.839 Of me or until you we can say no. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:54.039 I genuinely feel like season four was just absolute, like genius. 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.880 I mean, even production, the way they decided to even 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:01.839 produce everything, It just it works so well and everything 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:07.400 was so real. I mean, it was one hundred percent authentic, 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.120 and I feel like that's rare. Honestly, I feel like 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.800 that's rare. Nowadays even in reality television, and so viewers 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.640 were getting real reality television and it was just like. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:19.400 Holy crap. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.160 Yeah. Well, and Laurena and I are both steeped in 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.400 reality TV, and I will say there's something, there's some 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.680 validity to what you're saying, and it's I don't want 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.960 to you know, poo poo on anybody else in other seasons, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:31.760 but I will say there is a there is a 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:36.520 lightning in the bottle mentality in a situation in reality 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.080 TV that you can do the best producing in the world. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.279 Sometimes it just doesn't pan out. Sometimes it comes to 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.920 you in waves, but it does take good producing to 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.720 harness that and make a great season. And clearly that's 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:48.840 what happened in season four. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.360 Yes, they did incredible. 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.320 Everyone was amazing and how they spun it was so 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.680 great and it worked. It just honestly, it just worked 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.240 and it was wonderful. Can you talk about that. 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:06.159 It's interesting to watch with Chris Monica because it's behind 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.680 it scenes so much, so he's watched Our producer told 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.000 him to say that producers came up with that idea, 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.960 and he's very skeptical watching reality TV. So it's interesting 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:17.760 to me to hear you say that, it was like 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:18.559 so real. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.680 Do you expand on that? Like, what do you think 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.520 the producers did so well? 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.080 So I went in there and I said, the only 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.080 way to do this is to be one hundred percent open, 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.680 because I feel like so many people that do reality 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.400 TV they're open to a certain extent, but they hide 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.120 a lot of the stuff that that people relate to, 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:45.360 right because it's either shameful or it's embarrassing, or you know, 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.640 it's frowned upon, or they're afraid of being judged for it. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.200 And I think when you have somebody that comes on 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.080 and is ready to just like vomit all of their 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.719 past and you know, just accept it all, it gives 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.200 so much to work with. And then it pulled so 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.640 much out from the other cast members, and then it 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:09.360 just kind of trickled down and Heather had this amazing 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.760 connection to my ex best friend and lucky her, and 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.680 it just all tied together to make this explosion, you know. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:23.240 Okay, So what made me so captivated by you from 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.880 the beginning was that you were you were like, yeah, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.720 I had an affair, I did this, I did this. 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.480 You just laid out your truth and I thought this 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.920 is the most brilliant debut we've ever seen from anyone 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.920 who's ever joined Real Housewives, because you didn't let anybody 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.480 else search for the skeletons. It seems like you just 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.400 you opened up the closet and said here they are. Yeah, 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.640 you had this big reveal at the end, so. 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:51.320 To say the least. 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.520 By the way, Yeah, one of the questions I wanted 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.880 to ask you was, you know, if anybody's missed it? 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.720 Basically Monica and Real Housewives of sulis that he delivered 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.800 like the best finale, the most captivating finale in housewives history. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:09.360 I would say it was created you reveal the Instagram 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.280 account sooner, like when you were kind of sharing everything 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:12.960 about yourself. 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:18.200 Yeah, so it's really simple. I didn't reveal it because 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.640 it wasn't just me. Everything that I did reveal, I'm 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.720 the one that had the affair. I'm the one that 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.240 had had a car repossessed. I'm the one that went 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.920 through a divorce. I'm the one that went through domestic violence. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.120 You know, there's all these different things that were just 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:35.960 involving me. This account involved five other people, and we 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.960 all told each other we would never come out with 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.640 it or rat each other out. So I kind of 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.640 felt like, Okay, I wasn't the only one behind that. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.520 So how do I explain this when there's five other 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.680 people that were involved. Just saying just me, it wouldn't 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:58.439 even make sense because there were things posted or names created. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.320 The account wasn't even mine in my name. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.920 I mean, there were just so many other parts that 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.079 I just felt like, Okay, well, we promised each other 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.480 we wouldn't say anything, so I'm not going to say anything. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.040 If it was just me, I would have come out 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.240 and said it, But it affected multiple other people's lives 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.599 that I had promised I wouldn't ever discuss. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.160 Now, Look, I'm gonna admit right now to everybody, I'm 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.400 a Monica defender, So I'm just gonna I'm not unbiased 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.720 here as I enter into this next question. Let the jury. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.120 Let the jury know what I found interesting at the 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.960 tell all and throughout the season. So when this came 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.959 out and the women got all up in arms and 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.280 were clutching their pearls about how upset they were that 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.280 you were a fan of the show and like somehow 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:50.679 some sanctity of housewivedom was broken with you coming on 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.960 the show, and I stopped, and again we paused. Lourena 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:57.000 and I discussed this. I go, yeah, they're all fans 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.240 of the show, like Salt Lake City wasn't the first 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.760 Housewife show. Everybody knew what they were getting into. We're 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:06.280 all fans of this. There is no naivete. So it 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.880 seemed a little silly that they just took a stance 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.600 on oh, well, she was a fan, Like what, you 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.280 didn't earn your stripes or somehow you didn't belong. That 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.880 seems silly to me. That argument seemed weird. 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:22.400 It was It was, honestly just these women. Just anything 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.280 I did I could sneeze wrong and it would bother them. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:26.480 It didn't matter. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:30.000 I could have I could have come on as someone 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.920 famous's wife and they would have had a problem with me. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.440 I just think it was deeper rooted than that, and 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.040 they just picked up everything. Heather Gay herself has come 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.080 out several times throughout the years and said she is 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.240 the biggest Housewives fan. So it's okay for her to 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.360 say that, but it's not okay for me to have 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:47.920 been a fan. 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.800 It's just that Boss is out of control. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.000 Do you think you were always the outlier? I mean again, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.880 I'm not the biggest fan of everything, but I think 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.040 Laurence kind of filled me in that you don't fit 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.840 that prototype, right, You're not the prototypical housewife without all 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.240 the things you've been through. You even said throughout the 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.200 season that I watched, I don't have the money that 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.360 all of you have. I'm not carrying the bags. I'm 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.600 not doing you know, I'm taking care of my kids 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.200 with my mom. By the way, love the stuff with 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:29.920 your mom. We're going to get into that in a 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.960 little bit. But do you think you were always the 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.120 outlier from the beginning, and I'm wondering how they approached 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.160 you to be cast in the first place because. 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.880 Of that, Yeah, one hundred percent. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.199 I think there was always this mentality of she doesn't really. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.160 Belong and that's fine. You know. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.360 It's not like they were mean to me in the 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.800 beginning or anything like that. I think, you know, things 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:57.120 started to change once we started filming. I think they 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.760 were fine until I started filming. But you know there's 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.680 the scene stuff that happened even before we started filming 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.400 that I was like, these women do not want me there? 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:11.760 Oh you know, yeah, what gave you that vibe? 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.480 Some of them, I'm not gonna name names, literally tried 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.920 to get me fired before we even started filming. So 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.079 I knew what I was going into when I started. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.160 I knew it was going to be an uphill battle. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.840 I knew that they you know, they didn't trust me, 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.000 they didn't want me there, And what. 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.120 Was the reason that they were trying to get you fired? 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.240 I don't look, I'm going to be completely honest. I 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.040 have ran this through my mind so many times, like 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.760 why these women hate me so much? I really have 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.520 no idea because at the end of the day, and 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.120 I think I said this, I don't remember where, but 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.600 the only person that actually deserves to really have a 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.800 true problem with me, or hate me or be angry 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.120 at me really is Jenshaw. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:56.839 That's it. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.320 The only person that I really screwed over and oaths 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.640 anything to is jen I did nothing to these women. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.840 So for them to be like, oh, you lied to us, 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.079 and da da da da. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.120 Da the argument that they made, and it was hard 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.120 because like on the reunion, we couldn't really see the 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.760 posts that that account had been posting, but it seemed 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.880 like the argument that they made was that the account 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.560 that you and these other people were behind was being 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.000 really negative to them and saying mean things of them 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.240 about them and trying to like tear them down. So 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:28.960 do you feel like, would you argue that was not 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:29.480 the case? 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.199 I would one hundred percent argue that was not the case. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.560 And some of the things that they showed in the 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:39.200 clips on reunion weren't even from reality Fontige. They were 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:43.160 from like other Burner pages, And that page was one 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.240 hundred percent I mean, if you go on there like 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.800 we praised the women, we had posts dedicated to like 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.720 Whitney and stuff praising her like, that page was one 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:56.360 hundred percent awful to Gentshaw and that's it. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.240 But she went to jail for yes, exactly, didn't. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.160 Go to jail. He went to prison. There's a difference. 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:04.920 There is a difference. You're right, you're right, you're right, 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:06.640 and you go to jail when you get picked up 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.960 for a dui. But how close did you come to 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.800 not doing this then? Did you have were you apprehensive 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.679 and did you regret? You know, because if you know 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.760 going into this it's going to be contentious, yeah, or 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.480 did you ever think? Man, I don't know if these 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.000 women already hate me, I don't know. If I want 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:23.760 to start taping this. 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:24.920 Oh hell no. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:26.960 I was like it made me want to go on. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.080 It was like, oh you don't want me there, I'm coming. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.640 I love Monica right here, well I mean truly Monica, 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:40.280 Like again, you're great TV. Like I've seen you there's 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.480 There have been other women who have come on the show, 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.920 have said they watched, said they were fans, and then 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.560 they almost like that almost hurt them. You could see 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.240 their wheels turning them thinking about being on TV, and 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:52.320 you just went all in. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.440 But I do wonder like, looking back, now, do you 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.760 wish you'd revealed the reality Vontee's thing earlier or not? 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:02.720 No? 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.320 No, no, because I know for a fact if I had, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.920 it wouldn't have changed one damn thing. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:09.640 Nothing. 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.160 I could have said it the first day. I could 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:13.600 have said it before filming started. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.840 They act like, oh, if you came to us and 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:17.840 you don't know, Like, let's be real. 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.520 You know if I told you the first day or 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.560 the last day on the beach, it would have had. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:24.320 The same outcome. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.080 They were gunning for you no matter what. 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.440 Yeah, yeah, it would have had the same result. It 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:33.640 wouldn't have changed anything. And you know, I think I 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:37.800 think the outcome was already written in stone a long 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:38.280 time ago. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.960 So and what an outcome it was. 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.120 I mean, yeah, yeah, out. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.000 With the bank, and I'm gonna like kind of put 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:47.880 on my Chris Harrison hat and quote him. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:48.720 Oh okay. 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.560 And we were because I don't know if you remembers this, 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.400 but when we were watching the. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:57.640 Finale and then the reunion, he was like, these producers knew. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:15:59.960 Am I taking the words out of your mouth? 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:00.280 Baby? 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:00.480 No? 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.480 One hundred percent, She's right, I said, one hundred percent. 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.440 They knew, Yeah, that Monica had been a part of this. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.280 Nobody's A They're not that dumb, and B they are 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.360 that smart. I would have done that. I would have 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.720 cast you on the Bachelor or Housewives if I had 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.000 known that. For sure? They knew? Can you confirm that? 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.800 So I'm going to be a hundred percent honest. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.080 I told production, but I did not tell the same 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.120 people because the production people I told when I first 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.840 interviewed were not the same production people from when I 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.080 actually started filming, because it was like a year later. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.240 So in my head, I'm like, oh, they probably just 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:39.560 like relayed the information. 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:44.800 Yes, No, You're like, oh, they they forgot yes, that 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:50.800 does Monica. That doesn't happen. Life's not that coincidental when 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.440 it comes to reality TV. Of course you told him, 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.040 and of course they passed it on and they kept 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.520 that nugget when they needed it for season. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.280 Four when he said on the reunion, we would have 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.040 never cast through if we would have. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:01.520 Known that, I. 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:05.480 Again, like I would guess you. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:10.360 If Yeah, I know for a fact other housewives have 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:14.879 burner accounts, or they're feeding blogs information that they want leaked, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:16.280 or whatever the case. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.600 What I did is nothing new. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:20.880 It's what's new is I owned it, and I owned 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.520 up to it, and I admitted it, and I said, yeah, 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.200 I did have a part in that, whereas other people 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.159 they can deny, deny, deny, and so it just it 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:30.960 made it easy for me to just you know. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.440 Get burned at the stakes. Yeah, yeah, isn't Heather. 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:36.640 So Heather was. 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.919 Got this information from her hairdresser, who was your friend 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.240 and who also did the account with. You said the 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.560 Heather is still friends with and getting her haircut by 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:48.040 this person. 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.159 So Tanisia actually doesn't cut hair. All she does is style. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.320 But I know that Heather. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.320 Is still good with Tanisha as far as her doing 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.960 her hair. Still, I don't know, and I really don't 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.520 even freaking care, because at the end of the day, 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:09.840 she and I. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:10.800 Were involved in the same exact thing. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.040 One of us was given a complete pass and one 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.760 of us was actually completely brutalized for it. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.240 And that's why I asked, because it's like this double standard. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.440 Yeah, and I just I find it funny because Heather 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.800 can sit there and act like it was this huge, 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:32.400 big reveal. She knew that, she knew, she knew, she knew, 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.040 she knew, And I knew that it was going to 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.080 come out eventually because I knew that Heather knew. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.159 Yeah, they needed the scapegoat, they needed the villain, and 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:46.240 you were it. Yeah, why are you not back and 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.080 so far? Or are you? 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.800 They refused to film with me? No, I'm really not back. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:52.920 You're really not back. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:54.000 I'm really not. 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.520 I would have lost money on that because you are 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.640 too good of TV. There's two by the way, There's 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.480 so much more story here that we need out of this. No, 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.520 and so the women banded together and said, we're not 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:11.760 We refuse to tape with Monica. Yeah, And the print 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:13.560 is that that's what the producers told you of why 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:14.400 you're not coming back. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.919 They just said there's not been enough time for the 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:24.000 women to heal. But how there has literally gone out 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.080 and said, I refuse, I will never film with Monica again. 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.879 She has said that publicly. Lisa Barlow has said that publicly, 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.240 these are not secrets. It doesn't even need to come 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.639 from production. It came from their own mouths. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.199 By the way, time for everyone to heal from the 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.040 fact that you had a burner account on Instagram? Is 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.520 that where we're healing from. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:44.440 I'm like, you. 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.640 Literally got socked in the face, but you're upset about 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.720 a burner account, like it's wild. 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:51.040 It's so wild to me. 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.000 Yeah, baby, Elsie, do you agree? 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:54.320 Is it? 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.160 Don't you think there's so much more juice in the story. 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:57.400 That we need. 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.280 Look, I will you know I I'm not like black 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.560 and white about my fandom and that there are things 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.199 I like. I like Heather, I like Lisa, And when 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:07.960 I say I like, I like watching them, you know, 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:12.919