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Speaker 1: We were both exhausted.

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Speaker 2: It's smoke our, It's smoke our today on coach I

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to hear. The only thing that was

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Speaker 1: But the Lana stands, don't I think the Lana stands.

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Speaker 2: No, I please, I want so badly to be part

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Speaker 1: Thank you for teaching me. This is something that I

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Speaker 1: Lana was out there being like, Lady Gaga sucks, fuck you,

433
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: you stupid bitch. Why are you collabing with Kendrick Lamar

434
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: all this stuff? And I was like, she's toast, She's dead.

435
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: To me, you were lied to, Lena Delray. I was

436
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: lied to. I don't I don't think there was any

437
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: actual beef between Lana and Gaga. It doesn't seem like

438
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: there would be no, no, no, I don't know why.

439
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: I think there is mutual love and respect there.

440
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: She kind of gives me the vibe of a character

441
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: that I sometimes do called shy toxic girl, like a

442
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: girl who's very shy, but the second you fuck with her,

443
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: she can become very toxic.

444
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't think when you even have to fuck with her.

445
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: I think she's kind of just toxic the whole time.

446
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,479
Speaker 2: If you just talk to her, she she's shy, she

447
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: will not make the first move in the conversation. But

448
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: if you just so much as try to strike up

449
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: conversation with her, toxic girl, do you want to try it?

450
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: Do you want to do it now and show people

451
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: what it is? Sure? Try to approach me. Okay, So

452
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: Matt is kind of looking down, sipping his water, blank

453
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: stare throughout the space. Hi there me, Yeah? Hi? How

454
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: are you? A lot of people here don't like you.

455
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: What how did you know? Yeah? You're going yang right?

456
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: Did you take a poll?

457
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: No?

458
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have to. They were all saying it already. Oh,

459
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: they were offering it up to you. Yeah. I'm really

460
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: easy to talk to. Apparently not for me.

461
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: I don't find that to be true personally, my pussy, Like,

462
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: that's shy, toxic girl. That's shy toxic girl for you.

463
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 2: Try it with your friends, although a lot of you

464
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: probably don't even have to try. Our readership so shy

465
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: and toxic. Everyone that came up at Coachella was so sweet.

466
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: I loved meaning you guys.

467
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: Of course.

468
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: Wait and can I tell you where I saw the

469
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: most readers and katies And in fact, someone shout out

470
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: to the Q case who told me they were publicists,

471
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 2: because I always remember my publicist at Chapel Roone who

472
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: destroyed That was the first show of the whole weekend.

473
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: That was the tone center. Oh my god, in front

474
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: of our eyes. I so happy people were giving you

475
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: the flowers you deserve because you were king publicist for

476
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: a second there for her. Listen.

477
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: It's all I can do to point someone to Chapel

478
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: when she's there doing it all, Like, I mean, look

479
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: at that.

480
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: Like every single.

481
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: Time I see Chapel Rowan, I leave thinking I was

482
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: just a part of something special.

483
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: That was the third time I've seen her. And apparently

484
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: her streaming has gone way up since something shifted.

485
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, since even her performance and obviously before that,

486
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: like the Olivia Rodrigo tour of it all, like people

487
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: are finding chapel and the sky is the limit. The

488
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: Tiny Desk was huge, by the way, if you haven't

489
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: watched her Tiny Desk, you must. I love that she's

490
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: committing to like this drag queen aesthetic. I think it's

491
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 2: a blast, but like slightly busted, like lipstick on the teeth,

492
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: you know. And the new song good Luck Babe is

493
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: really really fucking good and everyone was living singing at

494
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: the bridge incredible usea. She is wailing, wailing, and the

495
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 2: vocal is a real thing. Her vocals.

496
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: Yes, God, that song is so good. It's giving like

497
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, fucking Billy Idol and Kate Bush at

498
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: the same time. Like there's something so cool about the

499
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: way she's like combining these sounds. It's giving the gay

500
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: pop that Jojo Siwah is claiming she's pioneering right now,

501
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: and she is. Don't you dare question?

502
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry if we're afraid of the Lana gas

503
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: did Jojo gays come at me?

504
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: Oh careful, listen.

505
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what is I don't know what this

506
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 2: new era is, but maybe it's just not for me,

507
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: which is totally fine.

508
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: In about twelve years. This is exactly what happened with

509
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: us and Lana.

510
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: How can I never give Jojo the credit when she's

511
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: headlining go Jella.

512
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know she's She's on her way to headlining Coade.

513
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: I love that.

514
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: I will be there, and you're right, I'll be eating crow.

515
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 2: I'll be eating humble pie. Humble Pie.

516
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: Now, were you in the vicinity of Teresa Judaice meeting

517
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift?

518
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: No, but here's what I will say about that whole thing.

519
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: When that picture so okay being at Coachella weekend one

520
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: when Lana is headlining and Sabrina is there. By the way,

521
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: Sabrina was very cute. I love espresso. The music video

522
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: is super cute. She was on the Coachello stage. I

523
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: do have to say I came from Chapel Roone, which

524
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: was so special that the energy was just lower at

525
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: the Sabrina show. But she's adorable. She looks like Hayden

526
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: Panatsia fucking year in the face. It's a head.

527
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: Transplant, I am sure of it.

528
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: So she is performing, and so Jack with Bleachers is

529
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: also there. There's kind of just this looming thing of

530
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: Taylor right, Taylor has the album this week, you know,

531
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: like Lana headlining, she had brought her up for the

532
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: album of the year thing. The fact that Billy came

533
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: out and not Taylor, I think everyone was holding their

534
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: breath for Taylor to come out, and I left feeling like, oh,

535
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: like Taylor will definitely come out next week. Then like

536
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: in Billy's place, like maybe the day or album comes out,

537
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: Lana's headlining, Taylor comes out. But then people started talking

538
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: like maybe there's some kind of like the vibe isn't

539
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: very good between Lana and Taylor right now, because Taylor

540
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: was like pictured in Sushi Park in Los Angeles and

541
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: then came the next day and took pictures with like

542
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: Teresa Judices. You know, she was pictured more with Teresa

543
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: Judice at Coachella, and she was definitely like at the

544
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: Ice Bye show. So I don't know what message is

545
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: trying to be sent here, or maybe it's just a

546
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: girl at Coachella with her boyfriend and she really wanted

547
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: to have sushi on Friday instead of seeing her friend Headline, who.

548
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: She said was the reason why all the girls are

549
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: popping off. But we'll see this week. I mean, let's

550
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: check back in in a week.

551
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was this anticipation that then became like a

552
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: little like like what's happening?

553
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: And then she never did show up, but she was there.

554
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: She was there. Let's check back in in a week

555
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: about the new album. I love that she's putting out

556
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: a Kubler Ross album, Stages of Grief album. I'm very

557
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: into the theme so far. I'm very into the theme.

558
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: And do you see the songwriting credits all Jack and Aaron?

559
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, very very interesting.

560
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: Let's check back in, as we say, will you never

561
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: know what to expect with Taylor? No, will we get

562
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: Taylor or Taylor? Maybe a mix of both? Maybe TAYLORA, TAYLORA.

563
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: Have we ever had TAYLORA? Bravex TAYLORA. That was the

564
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: birth of TAYLORA.

565
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: That was the birth of Taylor. She was so evenly

566
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: Taylor and Taylor was that midnights? That was midnight Taylor happened.

567
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, wow, we are just swimming in the music,

568
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: swimming in the music. I was just gonna say, like,

569
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: in conclusion, for the Coachella thing, it was just like

570
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: it was nice to go to a music festival and

571
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: see like, oh, music is like in a really good space,

572
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of really cool artists, Like I

573
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: walked past this for Olivia Dean and now I'm like

574
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: such a fan, like you walk past and like you

575
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: experienced something cool and new and it was the vibes

576
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: were very good, the weather was fucking perfect, and I

577
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: was so happy to go.

578
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to hear snippet of new Billy song

579
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: that she played for Zay and Low. Yeah, I'm excite.

580
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean again, like Billy has me in the palm

581
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: of her hand, right. I think this is gonna be

582
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: a cunty album.

583
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: All love to Happier than ever, stripped down jazzy, love it,

584
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: but like I do miss that when we all fall asleep,

585
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: era like fucking blast this at the club for me,

586
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: why don't you?

587
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I will say off happier than ever. I

588
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: do love Oxytocin that kind of gave something like the

589
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: first one. But I'm wanting to sort of like a

590
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: monster single from her that like, but she's not doing

591
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: a monster single until after the album comes out, So yeah,

592
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: I love that move too.

593
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm I am going back to my

594
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: like bagg at roots. I bought Judy at Carnegie Hall.

595
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: Finyl go on. I'm like, oh, yeah, sure, like you know,

596
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: legendary night. Yeah yeah. People are like it's it was

597
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: the greatest concert ever. I'm like, like truly, like literally

598
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: it has been called the greatest night I think, the

599
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: greatest concert ever, or the greatest night ever or whatever,

600
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: the greatest night of all, the greatest night of all something. No,

601
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: but I know you're being funny, but like it was

602
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah. I think she's the first woman

603
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: to win Album of the Year. Judy Garland with Judy

604
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: at Carnegie Hall. Ooh, I'm ninety percent surreying right about that.

605
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: But that album one Album of the Year in fucking

606
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: I think seventy one. Oh when did that album come out?

607
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: Are you checking Judy at Carnegie Hall?

608
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: There are some Judy gaze out there there that are

609
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: just as vicious as the Lanagas. Who knows already they're

610
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: listening to us do this and they're saying, oh my god.

611
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: Please correct the record. I meant nineteen sixty one. I

612
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: was a whole decade off the album on the Grammy

613
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: Ward for Apple of the Year, making Garland the first

614
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: woman to win the award. Bohen you knew so many.

615
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: Of the elements of that fact, and I'm thinking that, like,

616
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: I know, you're gonna beat yourself up for the nineteen

617
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: one of it all, but you knew so many elements

618
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: of that fact. Thank you, thank you, But can we

619
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: give it up for Judy one hundred percent? These people

620
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: in that room are some of the luckiest people in

621
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: the world. Yeah, that was a moment in history. Was

622
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: that like an eventized thing at the time?

623
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: I guess so.

624
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Judy at Carnegie Hall, So then it's like,

625
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: was it like a big night?

626
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: It was like imagine like Beyonce doing one show that

627
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: was going to be a retrospective of her entire career

628
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: in a four or five thousand seat space.

629
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: You have to try to go to these things. If

630
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: you can, you have to go see live music. That's

631
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: just how I feel Like so many times this weekend,

632
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 2: I was like, I am so fucking thankful I saw that,

633
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: like I may have seen the last time No Doubt

634
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: ever performs together. I'd coach, you know what I mean,

635
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: that's amazing. I will say, I'm sort of skipping around this.

636
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: Doja kad didn't give what I want?

637
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, that's too bad, That's okay.

638
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean she did a lot of the last album,

639
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: and she did Demons and she had this bit where

640
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: all of her dancers were covered in blonde hair and

641
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 2: she had this long blonde wig and that was really great.

642
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: But she didn't do any like the more poppy stuff

643
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: and I would have loved some of them. Well, she

644
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: has a complicated relationship with that. She seems tortured about it,

645
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: Like I think she did say.

646
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: So at a show recently and was like, come on,

647
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: cash grab, and you're like, but that wasn't a cash

648
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: grab at the time because you were writing that when

649
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: you were still up and coming. I don't know. I mean,

650
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: like she can. Her relationship to her old music is

651
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: whatever she wants to be. I do remember the days

652
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: when she was like just an algorithm artist to me.

653
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: She had an EP out, she had a song called

654
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: go to Town that I loved and the really awesome

655
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: music video. This is before MoU I was with Dojo

656
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: pod MoU yea. This is crazy.

657
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: I do remember you again, taste Maker. Like I said before,

658
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: you were the one who showed me moo. Not so

659
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: much anymore. I used to be pretty.

660
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: I used to keep my ear to the ground on

661
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: these things much better than I do now. But like Premu,

662
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: I was like, you gotta listen to this girl doja Cat.

663
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: She can rap, she can sing, like all these things.

664
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: And then I do like Scarlet a lot. I do

665
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: hope for the day soon when she is able to

666
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: reckon with the multitudes of styles that she's kind of

667
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: like played in and so and bring them all together

668
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: and not have those be at war with each other. Yeah.

669
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: My thing is like, if you don't like the music,

670
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: then sure, don't do it, but let's not act like

671
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: cooler than the pop thing that like has brought all

672
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: lot of people to that stage to watch you, you.

673
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

674
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: And also they're great fucking songs. They're amazing, Like they're

675
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: great songs. Like I don't know. And this is assuming

676
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: again that she doesn't like say so, But if she

677
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: said what you just said, then like, I don't know.

678
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 2: I think probably a note for that type of person

679
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: would be to be less online and care less about

680
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: what people say because you obviously loved the song or

681
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: like the song a lot, at least at one point

682
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: enough to make a lot of other ones like it

683
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: even and do that for a while, So to shirk

684
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: it off like that is I think a shame.

685
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: She even did that with Planet Her and I'm like,

686
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: I thought that was like the Imperial Phase album, and

687
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: that for an Imperio Phase album, that is an excellent

688
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: fucking record. I think Doja may be a little more

689
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: bothered than she wants people to think. I do think

690
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: she's very online, and that's okay, who among us isn't.

691
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: But I hope it's something that is overcome very perfect

692
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: blue vibes. I'm sorry to say, yeah, very And also

693
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: I want to say what she did was excellent. It

694
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: was just a lot of it felt like like an

695
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,479
Speaker 1: art installation and not a show. No problem. People do that, Yeah,

696
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: people do that all the time. I want to shout out,

697
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: I love Maggie Rodgers album alone. Oh yeah, I saw

698
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: you spinning it talk on this. It's just really lovely, tight, perfect,

699
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: like upstate driving music, which I told her to her face.

700
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: I was like, don't forget me had just come out.

701
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: I'd taken my trip to Wildflower Farm and that song

702
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: came out, and then I got to do this thing

703
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: at Carnegie Hall with her. Speaking of Carnegie Hall, oh yeah,

704
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: and I got to tell her. I was like, congrats

705
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: on the new singles. They're great. Don't forget me. It

706
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: was like blasting in my car on the way upstate

707
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: and it was perfect, and she like looked at me

708
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: and was like, that is exactly what I was going

709
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: for with this album. I was like, oh, great, then,

710
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear it. And then she even

711
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: makes an usion to driving upstate. Give it a twirl.

712
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: It's really good.

713
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: I will, because that's when I first fell in love

714
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: with her. Was an upstate moment.

715
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: Did I introduce Maggie Rodgers to you too? No?

716
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: You actually I think you probably were a reinforcer, But

717
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: I do remember it was on in the car and

718
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: I the person that had introduced Maggie Rogers to us

719
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: was Mike Kelton on this podcast.

720
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: Oh yes, you're right, You're so right.

721
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: This was before she This was I think only right

722
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: after the Pharrell the Farrell thing had been out, yes,

723
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: and he had maybe heard a couple other songs, but

724
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: pre the album. Because I remember then we were proficient

725
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: in her enough again to bring back proficiency to be like, oh, yeah,

726
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: she has a lot of new music, and then I

727
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: fell in love.

728
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: Well, I played my album because the album had just

729
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: come out when we met upstate. And then I think

730
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm not taking any credit for like were introducing you

731
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: to her, but I do remember like being like, oh, Matt,

732
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: you would love the full album.

733
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: Yes, And then we were also there when she did SNL,

734
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: she did Falling Water and light light On and she did.

735
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: So that was a fucking huge record for her. I

736
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: loved light On so much.

737
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: It was like the song I needed to hear at

738
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: the time. That was like after Henry and I broke

739
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: up and I was trying to get that was that.

740
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: That was at the end of our we had like

741
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: a hard summer and then that was that fall. Yeah. Yeah,

742
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: then look at you now?

743
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

744
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: God, Oh dude, good.

745
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: Since then, my marijuana has enveloped my mind now, so listen,

746
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: talk to me about this. Oh. J.

747
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: Simpson is dead. I saw headline that he was saying

748
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: that he told an interviewer once that it's hard for

749
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: me to live in LA because at any moment, I

750
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: could be sitting next to the person who quote did it. Oh,

751
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: I'm like.

752
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: This man is still out here denying I could still

753
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: be the person who didn't at anytime.

754
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: Like and that's what you were, fucking crazy man.

755
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: Goodbye. Oh. I was at Coachella when I found out

756
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: you died. Patrick and I were like, house and I

757
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: were like.

758
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: We're always like somewhere somewhere someone dies always when I'm

759
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: on vacation. Yeah, it happens all the time. Kobe died. Oh,

760
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: I was very much at home when Kobe died. That

761
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: was sad.

762
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: Who died when you were on vacation? Didn't someone die

763
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 2: when we were in Palm Springs?

764
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Someone died? Betty White died when we were in Mexico City. Yes,

765
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: someone did die when we were in We shouldn't be

766
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: having fun when people drop. People drop when I drop in.

767
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: People A lot of people on a vacation with Betty

768
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: White diye because it was New Year's Eve.

769
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we all share in the blame of Betty

770
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: White's death. We couldn't keep Betty White alive. How fucking

771
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: dare we?

772
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: How dare we? O? J? Simpson is dead?

773
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: What else we don't know where? Clarence Thomas is right,

774
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: he didn't show up to court.

775
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: If you're not going to show up to court, then

776
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: what are we supposed to do?

777
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: I mean, we were just talking in the car about this,

778
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: because we were talking about the Clarence Thomas of it all,

779
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is not mine. I don't

780
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: think so, honey. But I don't think so, honey. Lifetime appointments.

781
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any fucking sense. And it makes me

782
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: so annoyed when I realized, like we have like a

783
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: certain set of rules that like no one can question.

784
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: That are so stupid.

785
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: It is so dumb for someone to have a lifetime

786
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: appointment to anything.

787
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: I thought we were supposed to not have that anywhere whatever.

788
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm so stoned. I don't care.

789
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: Bowen and I have a problem with the way the

790
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: Supreme Court works. Okay, and we're here Tom lost culturis

791
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: to talk about it. Welcome back to another episode of

792
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: Talking Biden. Our podcast slowly transforms over the next six

793
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 2: months into Talking Bouten.

794
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: No, I can't. We have to do we have to

795
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: do what we can we can't. We can't do that.

796
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: We will be renaming the podcast Talking Biden. If anyone

797
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: thinks we're being serious, please there was something I wanted

798
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 1: to ask risk earlier, like disclaiming like we're not being

799
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: serious here, but I forget what it is. And I

800
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: am just gonna live with the consequence. There's a disclaimer

801
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: on this whole podcast.

802
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 2: Okay, that's disclaimer. We are two dummies often this high

803
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: talking about tunes. There's just tunes, and they're just characters

804
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: that sing them.

805
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: Are they real people? I don't know, No, no, no, I

806
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: mean I am very much looking forward to being with

807
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: you in Los Angeles when this Taylor album drops. Yeah.

808
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: My fantasy is we will be playing it and we

809
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: will be on the floor staring at the ceiling. I'm

810
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: literally in the room where we're going to be playing it,

811
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: and the vibes in here for listening to music are

812
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: so good because my apartment is so kind of small,

813
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: so the music stays in a contained space. Now that's

814
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: what makes the sound even better.

815
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: Yes, this is actually musicology. Prince was my teacher. When

816
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: you listen to music in a very small room, especially

817
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: with a carpet, the sound gets soaked up, and especially

818
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 2: on vinyl.

819
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: But we won't be able to listen to it on vinyl,

820
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: will we Hmm? I think we don't have to stay

821
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: locked into this plan that you.

822
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: Want to go watch it at Jared's because he has

823
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: our quote unquote watched I get it.

824
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: Listen to what I mean. Oh, listen, I'm not gonna

825
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: be picky.

826
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: You know what we are calling from the spirits of Taylor.

827
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: What we are calling by doing this, you being in

828
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: LA and us being together for the first time we

829
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: listened to it. What we are calling is folklore. S

830
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: it's folklore. Yeah, we are calling that forward. We really are.

831
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: It's better than when folklore came out, because when folklore

832
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: came out, we were at Greta Teitelman's house and she

833
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: and Sudie were making too much noise.

834
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: They were making way too much noise in the home

835
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: that Greta owned, and I was like, you know what, stop.

836
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: This is not about you.

837
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: In the house that you own and have paid for it.

838
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: This is about us. You don't live by your own

839
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: rules and your house. This is about us having an

840
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: experience listening to Taylor Swift.

841
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: That was a really special night. Also, can I say

842
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: one of the first nights during the pandemic, when we

843
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: ate dinner outside, we were being very like you know,

844
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: COVID era social distance.

845
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: We were like, it's a weird world, but it's a

846
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: new world. We're eating outside on the street.

847
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: But then we kind of broke the rules and we're like,

848
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: maybe we should go inside, Like we've all been feeling

849
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: okay the last like week or so, right, let's just

850
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: go inside. Thankfully no one got COVID. Yeah, and it

851
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: was five k, It was five of us. When did

852
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: that up come out? Was it July twenty twenty? July

853
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Yeah, never forget.

854
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So July twenty twenty, people started rolling the dice. Okay,

855
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: let's just say it. People started eating inside in groups

856
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: of four period period and you did it. You did it,

857
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: Lana del Rey Fan, drop your shoulders, don't be so upset.

858
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: We want to be with you. We want to be

859
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: with you more than anything.

860
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I got a clip of Lana singing the Grants,

861
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: that first track off of did you Know There's a

862
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: Tunnel under a funny Amazing I'm gonna do that thing

863
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: with the three singers.

864
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: Oh yes, it was really special, like there's such incredible

865
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: musicians around her too. And I also want to say

866
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: she looked on believable.

867
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: She looked like shimmerie dress, a movie star.

868
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: And the way that she came out was like her

869
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: riding in on the motorcycle like so unbothered, and then

870
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: she her literal last song was young and Beautiful and

871
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: then just gets on the motorcycle and rides out like

872
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: no fanfare, just like bye, with her little smile on.

873
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: And the last question she asked the audience was will

874
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: you still love me when I'm no longer young and beautiful?

875
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: Got on the motorcycle on left, and I said something

876
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: for us all to think about. My answer will be yes, Lana.

877
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: Yes. Here's a question. Is this the year of Gatsby.

878
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: Gatsby is somehow back in the year of country and

879
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: the year of Gatsby at the same time. How can

880
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: we make this happen? I don't know. I mean, cowboys

881
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: exist in the twenties, who's to say, Who's to say?

882
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: I think they were invented in two thousand and one.

883
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was when mya dude didn't music.

884
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: She started a cowboys. She really was for she really

885
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: was Wait a minute, you know who was an amazing

886
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: parody of the music video on Matt TV was Mo Collins.

887
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: Mo Collins doing Madonna on Mat TV goes under appreciate it?

888
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: Can we give it up for Mo Collins? Period? It's

889
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: a movement not a moment. It's a movement, not a moment.

890
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: I said that after every single and you were right

891
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: every time each time. Now I want to say, I

892
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: want to shout I've impassioned because I want to shout

893
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: out randomly as fuck, but not undeservedly do it. Mo Collins,

894
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: Will Sasso, Deborah Messaying, Nicole Sullivan out for Stein, Stephanie Weird.

895
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: Deborah mess I said, Deborah Wilson, didn't you said, Deborah

896
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: mess straps take off? Matt TV had a goaded cast. Yeah,

897
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: really just leave it at that. Funny fucking people.

898
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: They all had it all they did.

899
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: But Mel Collins did a parody of music by Madonna

900
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: and it was about my movies. Ma Mikes Roger Ebert,

901
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: I was like, so stupid. Oh it was about her

902
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: bad reviews. It was about her movies being bad.

903
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: See mad TV.

904
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: You guys had a talented cast, but you really did

905
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: do some pretty mean stuff.

906
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: You guys were mean.

907
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: There was no reason to say the things that you said.

908
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes you should be ashamed of yourself. So if we

909
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: just named you, sit in shame for an after no

910
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: no shame, it's time for I don't think so, honey,

911
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: we're making this a quick hour today.

912
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: We have some interesting episodes and guests coming up.

913
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: Let's just say the form is going to be a

914
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 2: little broken here and there, and you know, bro' you're

915
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: coming to town to do one of these. Maybe we

916
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: should do after we've listened to the album. Maybe we

917
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: should discuss the album live so we can have an

918
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: episode that is like a tortured poet's department episode and

919
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: then potentially try to get someone else from La to

920
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: hop on love that love that idea. And then we

921
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: got to do our iconic four hundred at some point. Yes,

922
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: we continue to miss it.

923
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: We have blown past four hundred so so long ago. Yeah,

924
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: this is I don't think Sonny. This is where we

925
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: take one minute to rail against something in culture. Matt,

926
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: do you have something? I do something? Okay, I I'm

927
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: very glad that we were both locked and loaded. This

928
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. As time

929
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so honey.

930
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: That tea Pain was put in the Heineken House, which

931
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 2: had an exclusive cap on it because it's allow put

932
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: tea Pain on a major stage. Yeah, Dave and I

933
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: wanted to be throwing ass at tea Pain. We were

934
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: so excited and then we went over. We actually he

935
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: started playing at the same time during Bleacher's a set.

936
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: We were so mesmerized we didn't pull ourselves away.

937
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: So then we arrived blade to Te Pain, which looked

938
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: like the party. And I don't think so honey, that

939
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: it was in the Heineken House, which is probably a

940
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: lovely house. I'm sure full of laughter and Heineken and enjoyment,

941
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 2: because everyone came out beaming ear to ear, shaking their

942
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: ass after what T Pain had.

943
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: Done to them.

944
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: But I don't think so honeysact that everyone could see it.

945
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: Put Te Pain on the outdoor stage. Want to buy

946
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: you a drink?

947
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: That's where my voice is at, and it would have

948
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: been even worse had I seen T Pain.

949
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: But I don't think so honey will never know. That's

950
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: one minute. Can we just say, first of all, I'm

951
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: so sorry you canno get into the Heineken House. I

952
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: would have loved to see te pain.

953
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: Te Pain is someone who has committed himself to spreading joy.

954
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm dead ass by you and

955
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: drink You're right, and I'm about to be dead ass

956
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: even more by you a drink was one of the

957
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: pieces of culture that made me say cultures. For me,

958
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: there was something about that song going number one and

959
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: being the song of the summer two thousand and six seven.

960
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: I want to say, yep, where I was like, I

961
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: am tapped into the culture here. I'm loving this as

962
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: much as everyone else is. I'm going to dance to

963
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: this at the Chinese School Sunday with the Chinese School

964
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: Sunday crowd. I'm gonna, guess shake my ass to this.

965
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: At homecoming, I'm gonna shake my ass to this with

966
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: the straight kids, the gay kids, everyone in between, and.

967
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: Ongoing forever because guess what in the year of Our

968
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: Lord twenty twenty four that Heindeken House was packed.

969
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: It surprises me not at all that that was the

970
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: place to be at Coachella.

971
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: I mean, unfortunately it was at the same time as Bleachers,

972
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: which was the simultaneous place to be and so.

973
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: We love bleachers. Keep pain though. Te pain is something

974
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: very very special. Oh yeah, and I don't mean this

975
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: with an ounce of irony. I love a tea pain.

976
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: Oh I'm you're in tears. You're in tears. Bowen is

977
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: actually about to cry.

978
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: Like I'm talking about Conan all over again. Tea Pain

979
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: and Conan do share that though like smart people who

980
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: want to spread joy. I'm serious. No, listen, if I

981
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: could have snuck into the Heineken house, I would have.

982
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: Heinnegan is getting a lot of play on the episode,

983
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: So I should also say thank you Absolute. You were

984
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: an amazing to go with. Absolute. You have a deep.

985
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: Love from Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Thank you for

986
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: everything you've done for us and for the world and

987
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: for the drinking community. Absolute Vodka, Bowenyang, you have your

988
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 2: I don't think so money, ready to locked, it loaded

989
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: and ready to go. Yes, okay, period, this is Bowen

990
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: Yang's I don't think so honey. As time starts now,

991
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey.

992
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: Me being mentioned and all the Doctor Diloman news that

993
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: has just been announced at CinemaCon that the great inimitable

994
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: Peter Dinklage will be joining us as our Dilamand I

995
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: had to sit on that news for a while and

996
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: the best I could do was go on watch What

997
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: Happens Live and say, so far Dilomand is an amazing

998
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,959
Speaker 1: puppet teer named Louis so who was incredible on set

999
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: and was on little crutches getting into goat position, goat ponzer,

1000
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: going into the goat lilt and the goat timber and

1001
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: doing Diloman's lines and being a fucking pro at it.

1002
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: I could not reveal it. I was Peter Dnklige. Maybe

1003
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: we were still casting for the par I say we

1004
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: as if I was involved in that process fifteen seconds.

1005
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: Also, I don't think so. Honey, Anti Cohen, what what

1006
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: is your deal with doctor Dilomand anyway, why do you

1007
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: hate Diloman so much because he s a goat? Feels

1008
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: kind of weird to me? What's your deal with goats?

1009
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: Goats our gorgeous, peaceful creatures that might be allowed every

1010
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: now and then but are ultimately very important to the

1011
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: agricultural world. And that's one minute. One thing I know

1012
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: about Andy Cohen is he's a speciesist. Yeah, that tracks,

1013
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: He's a species He's a speciesist. He's a huge speciesus.

1014
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: He thinks that humans are just better. That is, we

1015
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: all know that is a not true. Shaking my head

1016
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: out s m d h smdh. I'm looking forward to

1017
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: Peter Tinkleich's performance. Did you always know? No, it was

1018
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 2: truly just Louisa. I think Peter Will be an absolute

1019
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: joy to listen to as the goat Will.

1020
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like God, I never want to do

1021
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: an interview ever again or be asked about anything, because

1022
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: all I said was we had a puppeteer. She was amazing.

1023
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: Then people ran that story and said it's going to

1024
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: be played by a woman. Not true.

1025
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 2: And then people ran with that story and the fucking

1026
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: queer scuttle butt from that point on was it's gonna

1027
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: be a Dina. Why would it make any sense for

1028
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: a Dina. No, you guys are that's the queer scuttle

1029
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: but gone awry, the queer scuttle butt on that one,

1030
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: and it often doesn't. I want to say, I want

1031
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: to I'm not commenting on anything, but if there was

1032
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: any queer scuttle butt news about me, none of that was. Oh,

1033
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 2: let's just address that queer scuttle butt from me right now.

1034
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say. Some of these people out there

1035
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: who are acting up better stop. That's it.

1036
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: There you go, and we're not talking to you, the

1037
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: Lana gays. We just want to reinforce that we want

1038
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: to be with you, we want we love you, We

1039
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: respect you, We acknowledge your hard yards, your years of dedication.

1040
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: We are but neo fights, We are but neophytes.

1041
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 2: Well, this was the queer scuttle butt as of this

1042
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: week on Talking Biden, and it's important that US queer

1043
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 2: voice is really ray up at this time.

1044
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and disclaimer, we are not talking Biden. That is

1045
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: just a fun pseudo era that we're in right now.

1046
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: That is not real. Yeah, that's not real.

1047
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: I think the podcast will stay lost culture is this

1048
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: for years to come, And that is something that I'm

1049
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: galvanized about as we head towards I don't even know

1050
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: what it is our four hundred and tenth, eleventh twelfth episode.

1051
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 2: We could be at four hundred and sixty six. We

1052
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: truly stopped counting our producers and us individually, and you know,

1053
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: Head of Content Hans, we literally all have a different number.

1054
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: What we think it is. That's an interesting.

1055
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: Phenomenon, that's a very interesting. So it's sort of becoming

1056
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: a thing of the four hundredth episode will sort of

1057
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: just drop one day and it will be beautiful, and

1058
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: it will be plentiful.

1059
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean not since the Bible has there been

1060
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: so many differing accounts in points of view of the

1061
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: same story. The story is four hundredth episode. One person's Matthew,

1062
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: one person's John, one person's Luke.

1063
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what, and they never could get it together.

1064
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 2: Those disciples, they never could get it together. It's actually

1065
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: a real culture number eight. Those disciples, they can never

1066
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: get to get it together.

1067
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: We end every episode with the song It's You. It's

1068
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: You well will You?

1069
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: You can sort of sing it like Gaga and it

1070
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: works everything I knew.

1071
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: I tell you all the time. Heaven has a place

1072
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: on will You. It's sort of giving a million reasons

1073
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: we did. We talk about the Joker two trailer next time.

1074
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was good Bye Bye,