Speaker 1: The lake brace was being used as a different kind
Speaker 1: of brace, right, so, and they were like waiters down
Speaker 1: around ankles and that sort of thing going on. It's
Speaker 1: like getting insulted by Mr Rogers. Just because God didn't
Speaker 1: give you a brain doesn't mean you're not special and unique.
Speaker 1: I made some poor footwear choices, but you shouldn't bring
Speaker 1: snake boots, so you will now be able to scream, rolls,
Speaker 1: UFC fights, reruns of Dog the Bounding Hunter, and porn
Speaker 1: Hump from anywhere on the property. Good morning, degenerate anglers.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Bent the Fishing podcast. A recent study found
Speaker 1: is best consumed while sitting in a lawn chair. I'm
Speaker 1: Joe Surmelie Miles Nulty, and before we get to the
Speaker 1: actual show, I just want to say that I freaking
Speaker 1: love fishing in October. Yeah, rock October so good. But
Speaker 1: unlike you, I especially loved camping and fishing in October
Speaker 1: because like everybody's gone, it's quiet. There's just like a
Speaker 1: little frost on everything. In the morning, the fishing is
Speaker 1: usually good, but even if it isn't, there's still enough
Speaker 1: like chill to the air that you can justify pulling
Speaker 1: out a flask because you're not day drinking. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're just staying warm. You're being responsible, right. And I
Speaker 1: also I also recently discovered coffee bags from Black Rifle Coffee,
Speaker 1: which I had never known about before. It's like a
Speaker 1: tea bag, except you don't have to be British or
Speaker 1: over the age of seventy to enjoy one. And they're
Speaker 1: perfect for making a hot cup of coffee, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're waiting at camp for the sundrise or the
Speaker 1: fish to bite, or or you just need like a
Speaker 1: quick warm up and a recharge. They're awesome, man, I
Speaker 1: had never known about them, coffee bags. They're sweet, British
Speaker 1: or over the age of seventy. Yeah, uh yeah. So
Speaker 1: in case you guys missed it, the Bend podcast is
Speaker 1: fueled by Black Rifle Coffee and uh. As Miles suggested,
Speaker 1: camping is not really my jam, though, those will come
Speaker 1: in handy the next time I'm staying in a motel
Speaker 1: with rooms that can be rented by the hour of
Speaker 1: the week, would I'll take that over a tent. So
Speaker 1: that's usually where I end up when I'm on the road,
Speaker 1: and I'd rather not. I try to avoid the expired
Speaker 1: coffee packets sitting next to the tiny lime crusted coffee
Speaker 1: pot by the hair dry I'm talking about, so I
Speaker 1: know them well. So if you like good coffee like
Speaker 1: we do, head over to Black Rifle Coffee dot com
Speaker 1: backslash meat Eater and sign up for their monthly coffee
Speaker 1: delivery service. So if you ever oversleep and rush to
Speaker 1: that next Zoom meeting, you can always just pop a
Speaker 1: bag in your mouth and brew internally bitter while you're there.
Speaker 1: Over at Black Rifle Coffee, enter the discount code meat
Speaker 1: Eater at checkout and they will take off your first order,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty good deal. And you know we're
Speaker 1: on the subject coffee here, Joe, I got a little
Speaker 1: fun fact for you. Shoot, you know that Canada drinks
Speaker 1: more coffee per capita than almost any other country in
Speaker 1: the world. Okay, true, Canadians average more than a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty two leaders per person per year, which the
Speaker 1: Internet told me works out to about forty gallons, which
Speaker 1: you know, seems like a lot. And that puts them
Speaker 1: third in the world behind the Netherlands. In Finland, for
Speaker 1: all the big coffee chains and ubiquitous hipster cafes that
Speaker 1: feed our addictions to legal uppers and free WiFi. We
Speaker 1: Americans barely crack the top ten. We only come in
Speaker 1: at number nine. Canadians got his beat. Yeah, this doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise me at all because there's a Tim Horton's every
Speaker 1: thirty five meters from Canada. This is not shocking. And
Speaker 1: guess what, Canada, Tim Hortons is overrated. You ever? Do
Speaker 1: you every knew it? Tim Horton's I have I have
Speaker 1: is a little disappointed. They think because you get your
Speaker 1: Canadian bacon, egg and cheese sandwich on a real ceramic dish,
Speaker 1: it's like classier than dunkin Donuts. It's not. I prefer
Speaker 1: I prefer my saucer sandwich served without a smile. And
Speaker 1: more importantly, I like to drink my coffee when it's
Speaker 1: handed to me because Tim Horton's holding temperature. I swear
Speaker 1: to god man it's like four thousand degrees celsius. So
Speaker 1: if I'm in Canada, I get one in the morning
Speaker 1: and hope I'm ready for a pick me up at
Speaker 1: lunch because that's when it's drinkable, you know. But they're
Speaker 1: not gonna get sued over the hot coffee thing like
Speaker 1: they want over here. Yeah, that's yeah, they yeah, they
Speaker 1: they're not so soue happy. That is a plus. Uh,
Speaker 1: But look, we like to josh arown and have a
Speaker 1: little fun with our neighbors to the north. But you know,
Speaker 1: you have to admit, in all seriousness, all of our
Speaker 1: guide friends and lodge owner buddies up there, they're having
Speaker 1: a really rough go of it this year, you know,
Speaker 1: and and may well continue to have a rough go
Speaker 1: as as ice fishing season approaches, because, as we all know,
Speaker 1: the border between the US and Canada is still closed
Speaker 1: due to the COVID's so we can't visit, which is
Speaker 1: a bummer because I love fishing in Canada, and it
Speaker 1: also means, uh, you know, these guys are experiencing some
Speaker 1: financial hardship, you know, because we can't go. So for
Speaker 1: this week's regional fishing report, we thought we'd you know,
Speaker 1: check in with our buddy and lodge owner Mitch McFly
Speaker 1: all the way out on Spooner's Lake in Alberta, just
Speaker 1: this sort of seeing, you know, how he's been holding
Speaker 1: up through this whole thing either, folks. Mitch McFly here
Speaker 1: with your weekly fishing report from Pickerel Point lodge on
Speaker 1: Alberta's pristine Spooner's Lake. Before I get into the fishing, though,
Speaker 1: we sure to hope you and your family are staying
Speaker 1: healthy and happy in these hectic times. Particularly our valued
Speaker 1: guests from the States. We've missed your friendly faces this season.
Speaker 1: It just hasn't been the same around here without seeing
Speaker 1: fifteen dirty and mostly broken down cooler stacked outside the
Speaker 1: doors of our acquaint cottages, or getting those morning calls
Speaker 1: in the office asking for someone to please bring over
Speaker 1: a plunger. Anyways, quick bit of housekeeping. Some of our
Speaker 1: repeat guests may remember, Old Gusts are a long time
Speaker 1: boat mechanic. We've unfortunately had to lay Old Gusts off
Speaker 1: for the season because, wouldn't you know it, we didn't
Speaker 1: have a single lodge boat blower right past the shallow
Speaker 1: water marker boys and run up on the rocks at
Speaker 1: Thompson's Cove. Without the constant inflow of props to refurbish
Speaker 1: and lower units to restore, we just couldn't keep Gus busy,
Speaker 1: so we sent him home. He has a good sport
Speaker 1: about it, though, and happy to spend a little bit
Speaker 1: more time on his true passion carving small wooden bears
Speaker 1: and moose. Hope to have a pyleum for sale in
Speaker 1: the gift shop next season. Okay, then, I am happy
Speaker 1: to announce that the Walleye byte has been better than
Speaker 1: I have seen it in probably twenty years. Some folks
Speaker 1: around here say it's due to the lack of fishing pressure,
Speaker 1: but I think it's because the local anglers go a
Speaker 1: little slower. We tend to favor a more methodical approach
Speaker 1: instead of that fast, ratic, circular trolling pattern I know
Speaker 1: most of you boys from the States rely on. It's
Speaker 1: like I always tell you, fellows, the hours of eleven
Speaker 1: am to four thirty PM are not not exactly what
Speaker 1: i'd call prime time, but you can still find at
Speaker 1: least a few polite fish to bite in the middle
Speaker 1: of the day. You know they are a Canadian he Surprisingly,
Speaker 1: I've caught quite a few forty pike right off the
Speaker 1: docks this year. I've had a little more time to
Speaker 1: do some fishing in the evenings because there aren't the
Speaker 1: thirty to forty crushed bud light can strewn about the
Speaker 1: property that need rounding up for proper disposal in one
Speaker 1: of the many many conveniently placed recycling bins. We have
Speaker 1: on site. A five A diamond spoon has been producing
Speaker 1: really well for me, and I found it quite relaxing
Speaker 1: and therapeutic to just cast in reel while I listened
Speaker 1: to the call of the loons, which aren't completely drowned
Speaker 1: out by kid rock and that chicken fried song blasting
Speaker 1: from the picnic tables over at the boat house. I'd
Speaker 1: also like to mention that, on the bright side, we've
Speaker 1: been able to spend time improving our operation and beautiful facilities.
Speaker 1: Based on your feedback, We've loaded up on Mrs butter
Speaker 1: Worse and will only serve what you folks refer to
Speaker 1: as that maple sap shit upon request, all of our
Speaker 1: bag lunches will now include three packets of mayonnaise instead
Speaker 1: of the usual one. And most importantly, we've upgraded our
Speaker 1: WiFi so you will now be able to stream those
Speaker 1: UFC fights, reruns of Dog the Bounty Hunter, and porn
Speaker 1: Hub from anywhere on the property. Anything we can do
Speaker 1: to make your stay here more comfortable, we just uh
Speaker 1: can't wait to have you folks back. We pray that
Speaker 1: you can return to the serene beauty of Alberta by
Speaker 1: three or at the very latest, thanks and God bless
Speaker 1: Canadians are so good at polite insults. It's like an
Speaker 1: art form up there, man. You know, the Japanese have kabuki,
Speaker 1: the French have impressionistic painting, Americans have monster truck rallies,
Speaker 1: and the Canadians can tell you you're an a hole
Speaker 1: without you even knowing. Now, you're right, You're right, man,
Speaker 1: It's like getting insulted by Mr Rogers. Just because God
Speaker 1: didn't give you a brain doesn't mean you're not special
Speaker 1: and unique. And look, no, I cannot tell the story
Speaker 1: on this show. Remind me to tell you later about
Speaker 1: an epic anti Canadian rant I heard delivered on a
Speaker 1: boat by a Floridian. Of course, of course didn't know
Speaker 1: the guy he was ranting too was from Canada, right,
Speaker 1: and dude, it was nasty and and the poor guys
Speaker 1: follow up in in polite Canadian fashion, was simply, I'm
Speaker 1: actually Canadian and he just lefted it that and both
Speaker 1: dudes walked away stunned, and and the rest of the
Speaker 1: lake trout fishing was really freaking awkward. Um, anyway, I mean,
Speaker 1: did you know where I'm from? We come out of
Speaker 1: the womb insulting the doctor out here. Yeah, and which
Speaker 1: is It's interesting Like when I was the time that
Speaker 1: I've spent out East, I've always amazed at how much
Speaker 1: the insults can jack up and jack up and jack up,
Speaker 1: and like nothing comes of it. Because where I grew
Speaker 1: up in Hawaii, like we we rarely get to the
Speaker 1: insult stage before people are already getting punched in the face.
Speaker 1: We're all like Hawaii, it's like, oh, hey, what's up,
Speaker 1: what's up? And you're already getting punched Like it's just over.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I think I think Canadians have the
Speaker 1: right idea and that we could we all learn a
Speaker 1: little something from them. But uh, you know, since we're
Speaker 1: on the subject of insults and insulting people, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's time for for us to switch over to
Speaker 1: this week's smooth moves. Indeed it is, and this is
Speaker 1: a special one for me personally. I actually recorded this
Speaker 1: a couple of months back when I was on my
Speaker 1: annual Upper Delaware River mousing trip with some of my
Speaker 1: favorite fishing buds up there, and I've I've been going
Speaker 1: up there every year just to fish at night for
Speaker 1: about six years now. And when I'm there I always
Speaker 1: meet up with my good friend and the owner of
Speaker 1: White Tail Country fly Shop, Joe Demo Daris, and Joe
Speaker 1: has a hot, sticky, steamy story for us this week,
Speaker 1: why why, oh my god, this week on Smooth Moves,
Speaker 1: I'm very happy to be sitting here with my my,
Speaker 1: my old friend, my dear friend, Joe Dimldaris, who I
Speaker 1: would consider the grand pubab the Upper Delaware. Would you
Speaker 1: agree with that? Oh no, okay, well I'm saying you're
Speaker 1: the godfather of this, Teff. We're actually sitting in Joe's
Speaker 1: guide shack up here on the river, so it's nice
Speaker 1: to do an on location with you. This is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite places. Um, and remind us all how
Speaker 1: many years guiding you have, uh like three decades? Three decades?
Speaker 1: And then you told me before we started this that
Speaker 1: you actually blocked out a lot of things that would
Speaker 1: have probably made good smooth moves. Uh yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a slew. I'm not gonna on
Speaker 1: for hours if I start really like lett him come
Speaker 1: back to my brain. But um, you know some of
Speaker 1: the things you just never want to like, make sure
Speaker 1: you don't remember him. Okay, but you do have one
Speaker 1: on the tip of the brain for for today. Yes,
Speaker 1: well I'll give you the Yeah, I'll give you the
Speaker 1: like the most bizarre one. Okay, okay, okay, So, um
Speaker 1: end the night's pitch black coming out at this like
Speaker 1: kind of remote ish makeshift boat launch. Um, we gotta
Speaker 1: kind of walk a few hundred yards to go get
Speaker 1: your vehicle, so, you know, let the anchor out. Got
Speaker 1: a newly wet couple, kind of kind of like a
Speaker 1: senior citizen, newly wete couple. You know. They weren't like
Speaker 1: young kids. They were like sixty. She was like maybe forty,
Speaker 1: but he was. He was in the sixties, retired guy.
Speaker 1: And um, he was in the back. She's in the front.
Speaker 1: Get the spot and I'm gonna pull out, put the
Speaker 1: anchor down. I said, just hank tight. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: a little while and gonna walk up, come back, and
Speaker 1: just don't get out of the boat because just stay there.
Speaker 1: So um, I go get my truck. I come driving
Speaker 1: back down through the woods and my boat's gone. And
Speaker 1: I left the light for him too, because it's really dark.
Speaker 1: And I had a little like thinky like this take
Speaker 1: out with your exactly no light and it's a good
Speaker 1: hike up to get where your trucks. So come back
Speaker 1: with my truck. It's like no boat. And I looked
Speaker 1: down river and just on the last bend as are
Speaker 1: down as I could see the little lights starting to
Speaker 1: vanish going down the river. I'm like, oh crap, So
Speaker 1: this was a long time ago. So I run down
Speaker 1: the bank. I grab a flashlight ahead of my truck.
Speaker 1: I run down the bank, got this light going, and
Speaker 1: I catch up to the boat. They're totally oblivious. I'm yelling.
Speaker 1: They don't even hear me, right, and they're totally oblivious
Speaker 1: because he had gotten out of the back of the
Speaker 1: boat went up to the bow, so it shifted the
Speaker 1: weight and then shifted the weight and lifted the anchor.
Speaker 1: I didn't have like a lot of scope out because
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't supposed to happen, right, Like, stay
Speaker 1: at the boat and if it starts floating away, you
Speaker 1: think you notice. But there was a big preoccupation that
Speaker 1: was happening that they didn't notice. They were floating away
Speaker 1: the whole time. And that's because it's like the leg
Speaker 1: brace was being used as a different kind of brace, right,
Speaker 1: So and they were like waiters down around ankles and
Speaker 1: that sort of thing going on, and they were totally oblivious.
Speaker 1: She was absolutely mortified. He he actually didn't even like
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. Okay, wait, all right, so
Speaker 1: they're banging. I'll just say that's what they're doing. Exactly
Speaker 1: what they're doing. How far out in the like, were
Speaker 1: they still close to the bank or did they like
Speaker 1: the way out in the middle. Well, it's not like
Speaker 1: really the river's wide, but it's not really deep. Maybe uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe fifty yards out, forty yards out, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I go sloshing out and this happened,
Speaker 1: like I was probably my late thirties early forties when
Speaker 1: this happened. I mean today I would have just laid, well,
Speaker 1: there goes the boat. I'll just go get my truck
Speaker 1: and meet him at the next take out. But but
Speaker 1: you know, so I grabbed the boat and I dragged
Speaker 1: it all the way back up river. You know that.
Speaker 1: The guy's like, well, I'll get out and help you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, now, just stay there, don't move. But when
Speaker 1: you waited out and walked up on the boat where
Speaker 1: they still like like mid mid koitis, No, because when
Speaker 1: I hit him with this big like flashlight I had
Speaker 1: in a truck and that got that got her attention, right,
Speaker 1: and she was like, you know and like kind of
Speaker 1: cut everything off. So, um, did you guys talk about it? Uh,
Speaker 1: kind of sort of not really. I don't remember telling
Speaker 1: you the truth because now I had to hump the
Speaker 1: boat back up carminum it. You know, it's like this
Speaker 1: really stinks, um, And and I really kind of felt
Speaker 1: sorry for her. She was mortified. She really was really
Speaker 1: really embarrassed, and he wasn't, you know, which was kind
Speaker 1: of like really odd. So I could tell that was
Speaker 1: making her more embarrassed, you know, and I kind of
Speaker 1: felt bad for her. But um, yeah, it was kind
Speaker 1: of kind of odd. And uh, I never did see
Speaker 1: them again, So I don't know if they stayed married
Speaker 1: or not or whatever. I don't really worry about it. Well,
Speaker 1: God bless him. What a story for later though, that
Speaker 1: dude still telling that story. Um yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Probably I think I told my wife the story too,
Speaker 1: and tried to get her up in the front of
Speaker 1: the boat one night jump she wasn't manage. Well that's
Speaker 1: a new one, I mean, man, Like I've heard of
Speaker 1: clients sneaking off for a little alone time. I've had that,
Speaker 1: and I've I've heard of anchors slipping and guides losing
Speaker 1: their boats. I've seen that, But I have never heard
Speaker 1: of clients copulating so hard that they actually pull the anchor.
Speaker 1: That's a new one for me. When you're in the mood,
Speaker 1: you're in the mood. Momos, momos. That's a word we
Speaker 1: like to use around here for people that execute those
Speaker 1: kinds of screwups. Moms. Yeah, we don't, we don't use
Speaker 1: that one out here. I know we have learned that
Speaker 1: all of you out there listen to podcasts, at least
Speaker 1: a lot of you, are big fans of shall we
Speaker 1: call them derogatory words for you, guys love insults, And
Speaker 1: that's why we love you, because you're all just about
Speaker 1: insulting people. So we're we're bringing it up. We're bringing
Speaker 1: up that that theme back at least for one more week. Uh.
Speaker 1: And here in the Mountain West, we have our own
Speaker 1: derogatory word for people from elsewhere, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: define that for you in this week's weekly word. Webster's
Speaker 1: Dictionary defines fish as this week's word is gaper. A
Speaker 1: while back, Joe gave you the definition from up here,
Speaker 1: which is what people in northwest Pennsylvania call city folk
Speaker 1: from Philly who come up here for the weekend to fish. Well.
Speaker 1: The East doesn't have a lock on derogatory terms for tourists.
Speaker 1: One Mountain West sler for flint Landers is gaper, as
Speaker 1: in someone so dumb struck by the scale of topography
Speaker 1: and beauty they're seeing they just stand there with their
Speaker 1: mouth agape, usually stopping traffic, holding up a lift line,
Speaker 1: or blocking a boat ramp. This term comes from ski
Speaker 1: culture but has been thoroughly adopted into the fishing scene.
Speaker 1: When I first moved out to Montana nearly twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: now I was a complete gaper. I was so constantly
Speaker 1: in awe of everything around me that I spent a
Speaker 1: good thirty percent of my time in a mouth breathing trance.
Speaker 1: I was such a gaper that I had no idea
Speaker 1: what that word meant, so when people called me a gaper,
Speaker 1: I didn't know enough to lies they were making fun
Speaker 1: of me. He doesn't even know. I was officially christened
Speaker 1: with the nickname Gaper on a backcountry fishing trip with
Speaker 1: my good friend Matt Dally We had spent most of
Speaker 1: the day hiking deep into a box canyon, and when
Speaker 1: we finally got to our riverside campsite, the pool in
Speaker 1: front of us was boiling with rising trout, some of
Speaker 1: the biggest I had ever seen at that point in
Speaker 1: my life. While Daly said about doing what a seasoned
Speaker 1: fisherman would do, you know, calmly assembling his rod, building
Speaker 1: his leader, and tying on the appropriate fly, I just
Speaker 1: stood there, dumbfounded, staring at this horde of trout, sipping
Speaker 1: mayflies off the surface. Once Dally had finished rigging, slipped
Speaker 1: into his waiters and laced up his boots, he passed
Speaker 1: behind me and half yelled Cape Cape, Cape Cape on
Speaker 1: his way to the pool that broke my reverie. And
Speaker 1: when he immediately hooked a fish, I started scrambling to
Speaker 1: put together my own gear to solidify my status as
Speaker 1: a gaper. I hurried through the rigging and tied a
Speaker 1: few let's call him questionable knots. When I finally did
Speaker 1: start fishing, I somehow hooked the biggest fish in the pool,
Speaker 1: which broke me off on the first run. When my
Speaker 1: blood not failed, the nickname followed me even after I
Speaker 1: stopped gaping my way through every Montana season, and I
Speaker 1: eventually just had to embrace it to this day. Every
Speaker 1: once in a while, when I'm floating a local river
Speaker 1: or riding on a local ski hill, I'll hear someone
Speaker 1: yell out. I'll stop and look around trying to figure
Speaker 1: out if an acquaintance from the distant past has just
Speaker 1: recognized me, or there's some random coop in the near
Speaker 1: vicinity eliciting wrath from a local. So we don't have
Speaker 1: those kinds of gapers out here in the Northeast though.
Speaker 1: On the radio like FM Old School, during traffic reports,
Speaker 1: if there's an accident on the highway, sometimes they will
Speaker 1: note that there's a gaper delay. They actually call it that.
Speaker 1: It's called a gaper delay. Gaper delay on that Academy road.
Speaker 1: So it's gaping. Yeah, So we just gave it other
Speaker 1: people's misery and bloodshed because they're just there are no mountains,
Speaker 1: you know. But regardless, you realize that the tens of
Speaker 1: people listening to this podcast are now going to resurrect
Speaker 1: that nickname for you. Right, you efficiently sealed your fate
Speaker 1: to forever be known as gaper. That's all right, I'm sorry, Gaper,
Speaker 1: I can handle. It's better than being a loser, which
Speaker 1: is what one of us is going to be. At
Speaker 1: the end of this next segment, it's time for fish news.
Speaker 1: Fish news that escalated quickly. Before we get into the
Speaker 1: meat of fish news, I want to let you guys
Speaker 1: know about the fishing community actually doing some good in
Speaker 1: the world. For once, my buddy Josh Mills harnesses the
Speaker 1: evil of Instagram and leverages it away from the dark side.
Speaker 1: Josh is running an online auction to help out commit
Speaker 1: unities that have been devastated by all the big fires
Speaker 1: out west, called Flies for Fire Relief. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a really unique fundraiser. It's completely social media based. All
Speaker 1: the money goes to go fund me pages set up
Speaker 1: to help individuals and communities who have been hammered by
Speaker 1: the fires. And I can personally vouch for this as legit.
Speaker 1: This isn't one of those I r S voicemail scams
Speaker 1: that I keep getting threatening me with jail time if
Speaker 1: I don't call them back and give them my social
Speaker 1: Security number. Yeah, what a great concept to use social
Speaker 1: media for something that's actually useful. But they're auctioning off
Speaker 1: rods reels, waiters, boots, guided fishing trips. There's even a
Speaker 1: first light, kemo pattern lamps and fly reel up for auction.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I work at meat Eat and I
Speaker 1: don't even have one of those, so you know me neither.
Speaker 1: And I'm actually gonna be throwing down a dozen custom
Speaker 1: Master Splinter mouse flies that I'll be whipping up on
Speaker 1: the vice. So follow at Mills Fly or follow the
Speaker 1: hashtag flies for Fire Relief so you don't miss it
Speaker 1: when my mouse is pop up for grabs. And so
Speaker 1: far the campaign has already raised more than forty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars and they are still going, which is amazing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Now onto the real fish News, which you all remember
Speaker 1: is a competition where Myles and I scour the deepest,
Speaker 1: darkest crevices of the Internet looking for the most interesting
Speaker 1: nuggets of fish or fishing related news. Um neither of
Speaker 1: us has any idea what the other is about to say.
Speaker 1: And at the end of it all, if you guys
Speaker 1: have been following along, our steamed audio engineer Phil decides
Speaker 1: who wins and who hangs his head in shame. Lately
Speaker 1: that's been me. Miles has been on a hot streak.
Speaker 1: So I'm nervous and my confidence is shaken, especially because
Speaker 1: you get to lead off this week. So you should
Speaker 1: be nervous, Joe. You should because I'm starting out this week.
Speaker 1: Read about where I left off last week, which worked
Speaker 1: out well for me. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna revisit
Speaker 1: the invasive carp files. Man. You just love a carp, Man,
Speaker 1: you just suit I do. I actually do. I love
Speaker 1: and hate them. And that's all wrapped up into into
Speaker 1: this package here. Last week I schooled everyone about the
Speaker 1: dangers of feral goldfish. Goldfisher, carp and carp in their
Speaker 1: various forms, are arguably the most destructive aquatic invasive species
Speaker 1: in North America. Well, this week, the state of Wisconsin
Speaker 1: issued its first arrest for the illegal sale of Asian carp.
Speaker 1: But before I get into the details of all that,
Speaker 1: I feel like I gotta provide a little bit of context.
Speaker 1: Some of you will know that, some of you won't,
Speaker 1: but it's important. Asian carp is a catch all term
Speaker 1: that refers to several different carp species, including bighead, silver
Speaker 1: and grass carp. These fish were brought here from China
Speaker 1: in the sixties and seventies for a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: different reasons. But as so often happens in these situations,
Speaker 1: they escaped and they invaded local waters and they've been
Speaker 1: spreading ever since. They're now in twenty eight states and
Speaker 1: still going. You've probably seen footage of the thousands of
Speaker 1: silver carp flying out of the water when boats passed
Speaker 1: by and people like hitting them with clubs and arrows
Speaker 1: and all that. That that's been pretty well, pretty well covered. Uh,
Speaker 1: And most of that comes from places like the Illinois
Speaker 1: River that have been just totally overrun by these fish.
Speaker 1: And just so you guys understand what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: these fish can consume forty percent of their body weight
Speaker 1: per day in aquatic nutrients, and in some waterways, asian
Speaker 1: carp now make up more than nine of the total biomass,
Speaker 1: and they just pushed anything else out. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's insane. The amount of like ninety of the bio
Speaker 1: of the fish, of all the biomass, everything that lives
Speaker 1: in a waterway are now asian carp. It's it's mind blowing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I'll just I'll just throw in there, like you
Speaker 1: used to see a lot of those videos the jumping
Speaker 1: carp in the bow, fishermen and stuff, and just because
Speaker 1: you don't see that many anymore, it's not because they've
Speaker 1: gone away, Like like you said, they are just pushing
Speaker 1: further and further. You know, up, it's it's it's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So all this is just to say that these fish
Speaker 1: are a huge problem, and like you were saying, Joe,
Speaker 1: fisheries managers and other people have been fighting their asses
Speaker 1: off to keep these fish from reaching the Great Lakes
Speaker 1: because everyone feels like that's that's the major tipping point.
Speaker 1: If they get there, the Great Lakes are just going
Speaker 1: to crash, and that's what we're all trying to stop.
Speaker 1: So for that reason, it is illegal to transport any
Speaker 1: Asian carpet in Wisconsin unless they have been gutted or
Speaker 1: had their guilt plates severed. Those stipulations were enacted because
Speaker 1: these fish can live for like a surprisingly long amount
Speaker 1: of time out of the water. I read some I
Speaker 1: read different numbers, but but over a day seems to
Speaker 1: be the consensus. Yeah, there's crazy. There's very similar rules
Speaker 1: out here for snakeheads. Same thing. You can transport them
Speaker 1: if it's like got its head cut off, because they
Speaker 1: can breathe there and yeah, same kind of deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean what that What that means is like
Speaker 1: a fish might appear dead and it's been riding in
Speaker 1: a truck for hours, but theoretically it might still be
Speaker 1: capable of of surviving if it were to somehow get
Speaker 1: out and escape into a waterway. All right, So back
Speaker 1: to this arrest. Ping Lee is a wholesale fish dealer
Speaker 1: from Plattsville, Wisconsin, who now faces four misdemeanor counts of
Speaker 1: possessing illegal fish. Apparently, Mr Lee has been transporting Asian
Speaker 1: carp from central Illinois to fish markets in Chicago and Madison,
Speaker 1: sometimes as much as twenty hundred pounds at a time
Speaker 1: for at least the past three years. Wisconsin d n
Speaker 1: R has been working on a sting to catch this
Speaker 1: guy since two thousand eighteen, using undercover agents, covert surveillance,
Speaker 1: and GPS trackers. Suffice to say, Wisconsin is not messing
Speaker 1: around with the Asian carp thing. And and I applaud
Speaker 1: those efforts. To have to say, I'm honestly conflicted about
Speaker 1: this story. I know, I know where you're going, and
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. Yeah, because because like all right,
Speaker 1: one of the tools for dealing with the Asian carp
Speaker 1: infestation is through commercial harvest. Gill netters are now making
Speaker 1: a pretty good living in many places like Illinois and Tennessee,
Speaker 1: catching and selling tons and tons and tons of these
Speaker 1: invasive carp. Ryan Callahan did a great little segment about
Speaker 1: this on the Mediator YouTube channel that you should definitely
Speaker 1: check out. And cal actually brought some of the filets
Speaker 1: from that episode over to my house one night for dinner,
Speaker 1: and Joe, you were there, I was there. I ate it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was delicious. I was shocked. It was
Speaker 1: like it was it was truly delicious. It was not
Speaker 1: just tolerable. It was like really really good eating fish.
Speaker 1: It's it's the kind of fish that you could feed
Speaker 1: to people who say they don't really like fish, and
Speaker 1: then you can watch them after they take that first
Speaker 1: bite and they go, oh, that's actually good. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it isn't that because a lot of these fish they
Speaker 1: filter feed verse common carpet grubbed the bottom, so people
Speaker 1: think carp have that mud taste, but that's not the
Speaker 1: way that these fish feet. It was a super mild,
Speaker 1: super mild. It wasn't like, oh my god, the flavor
Speaker 1: of this fish is phenomenal, but it's just a very
Speaker 1: sort of baseline good white meat fish exactly totally palatable.
Speaker 1: And and so my point in all this is that
Speaker 1: large scale harvest is one of the very few viable
Speaker 1: tools we have for trying to control these invasive fish.
Speaker 1: So that's something that I think we want to encourage,
Speaker 1: not discourage. And harvest only works if it's connected to
Speaker 1: an effective distribution network. And so that's why this Wisconsin
Speaker 1: arrest gives me some pause. I mean, it seems like
Speaker 1: like Mr Lee was clearly in violation of the law.
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing that his fish had their viscera and
Speaker 1: guilt plates intact, but he wasn't transporting live fish. It's
Speaker 1: not like he was smuggling carp into Wisconsin to start
Speaker 1: a fish farm. He was selling thousands and thousands of
Speaker 1: pounds of Asian carp for meat. That's just it. If
Speaker 1: he's if he has that much demand, he's selling that
Speaker 1: much fish, then good, then get out there and kill
Speaker 1: more to keep up with that demand. I mean, the
Speaker 1: law is the law, you know. I feel like the
Speaker 1: sting operation, like, couldn't we have gone to him and said,
Speaker 1: like we love what you're doing here, can you just
Speaker 1: make sure that you remove all the guilt plates and
Speaker 1: like just do it the right way. Yeah, And there
Speaker 1: there may be some things that I don't know about
Speaker 1: this story, but that's exactly how I feel. And it
Speaker 1: really seems from everything I could read, and I read
Speaker 1: a bunch of news stories on this, it seems like Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: Dina is trying to throw the book at this guy,
Speaker 1: and I think that might be a mistake. Like I think,
Speaker 1: if we're going to curb the populations of these fish
Speaker 1: through commercial gill netting, we need fish sellers that are
Speaker 1: willing to transport them. And I'm worried that this case
Speaker 1: might make people think twice about getting into the carp
Speaker 1: selling business. And then you can harvest all you want,
Speaker 1: but if you don't have a market, they don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: I agree completely, And it kind of hearkens back to
Speaker 1: some stories from forget if it was the nineties, but
Speaker 1: there was a similar problem out here on the East
Speaker 1: Coast with the salmon fisheries. Guys would go over snagged
Speaker 1: their limit, catch their limit, fill these trucks and run
Speaker 1: him to sell them in New York City. And the
Speaker 1: way they stung them was they put black light die
Speaker 1: in the salmon eggs and then went down to New
Speaker 1: York City and black lit in the sushi restaurants and
Speaker 1: that's how they figured it out. But that's a that's
Speaker 1: a recreational fishery that's bringing a lot of money to town.
Speaker 1: I understand the staying and the undercover on that, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more man Like, if you have people
Speaker 1: that are making a live and killing thousands of pounds
Speaker 1: of these fish, just I kind of disagree with the
Speaker 1: level of book throwing here. Yeah, so that was I'm
Speaker 1: torn on like, like I said, the guys clearly clearly
Speaker 1: he broke the law. Not arguing that, but I feel
Speaker 1: like these are the kind of actions we we kind
Speaker 1: of want to support, not this waye and and arresting
Speaker 1: him seems to have the opposite impact. If he's selling
Speaker 1: that many putting him out of business for this like
Speaker 1: ruining to the point where he can't operate, that alone
Speaker 1: leaves how many more Asian carp in the system, potentially
Speaker 1: just for his suppliers. So well, hey, by all means
Speaker 1: right in, let us know what you think, because we're
Speaker 1: torn on that one, and we'd love to hear from you, guys. Ah,
Speaker 1: this is this is perfect for me because you know
Speaker 1: Asian carp. It's like all Asian carp. You know, a
Speaker 1: good Asian carp is a dead carp over here. And
Speaker 1: we look at carp very differently in the US than
Speaker 1: they do across the pond in the UK. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna hurt my win this week,
Speaker 1: but I do have a bit of an obituary here sadly,
Speaker 1: and this comes to us from the UK Sun. And
Speaker 1: I was stunned and wept when I read this headline.
Speaker 1: It says not carping on Angling World in mourning as
Speaker 1: Britain's biggest common carp dies aged And I said to myself, God,
Speaker 1: please tell me they're not talking about Tarka, because I've
Speaker 1: been following Tarka the carp since it's my space days
Speaker 1: tell you the truth. But at last my worst fears
Speaker 1: were realized from the story the Angling World is mourning
Speaker 1: the death of Britain's biggest known common carp. The whopper
Speaker 1: known as Tarka was aged about and wade sixty five
Speaker 1: pounds two ounces at its heaviest um. He died from
Speaker 1: natural causes in his lake at the Avenue Fishery in Shropshire,
Speaker 1: and anglers traveled from far and wide for the chance
Speaker 1: to catch Tarka, and Tarka's owner Rob Hale said there
Speaker 1: were numerous lucky enough anglers to catch him in the
Speaker 1: past and it has been amazing to follow the magnificent
Speaker 1: journey of his growth. Targa was introduced to the fishery
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight when he weighed more than
Speaker 1: twenty pounds, and he was named Tarka after part of
Speaker 1: his tail was bitten off by an otter and um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why. Maybe Tarka's an
Speaker 1: old British word for bitten by otter. Anyway, heart heartbroken
Speaker 1: anglers took the social media to pay tribute. Gary Roberts posted,
Speaker 1: so sad r I P. Tarca, What an incredible carp
Speaker 1: a legend. Luke Edwards, who caught Tarca when he weighed
Speaker 1: just under fifty three pounds, said, made me a very
Speaker 1: very happy angler and many more R I P. Tarka.
Speaker 1: Eric Cranston said this is so sad, unbelievable, stunning fish.
Speaker 1: To lose any fish is upsetting, but the jewel in
Speaker 1: the crown must hit everyone who has caught it and
Speaker 1: admired it. Um. And I actually have a good friend,
Speaker 1: Nigel Polsford over in the UK. Uh. The guy's utterly
Speaker 1: devoted to payle carp fishing. And I gave him a
Speaker 1: call just to see how he was feeling about this
Speaker 1: tragic news. And here's what he said. No, let me stop, you,
Speaker 1: let let me stop. You destroyed me mental stop. So
Speaker 1: clearly he was just too distraught to talk about it. Um.
Speaker 1: I hope he cat him on a bed day. You
Speaker 1: were friends. I don't know if I don't think that
Speaker 1: it was really upset right now, I should have given
Speaker 1: it a few days. Look, man, I'll say this no
Speaker 1: disrespect to British carpers, okay, because carping is serious business
Speaker 1: over there right It generates big dollars. And I love
Speaker 1: carp too. I think you do too. I've spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time carping, particularly on the fly, and I
Speaker 1: admire the passion of these guys that camp out all
Speaker 1: weekend under a tarp like waiting for a named fish
Speaker 1: to eat a boile and make a screen bivy yea. Um.
Speaker 1: But I just have to say, and like, pardon me,
Speaker 1: I'm happy, Like that's not my best or only option
Speaker 1: for freshwater fishing. You know what I'm saying. It makes
Speaker 1: me like I want to say, don't ever take for
Speaker 1: granted your land access, public lands, ability to hike miles
Speaker 1: of stream and hop guard rails, you know, drop your
Speaker 1: boat in hundreds of lakes. Yes, you know. And I
Speaker 1: mean I'm guilty of going on tangents about how they're
Speaker 1: like too many people out here now ruining spots, but
Speaker 1: it could be worse. You know. You can feel that
Speaker 1: same frustration at a lake you're paying harder and money
Speaker 1: to fish, trying to catch a carp so fat it
Speaker 1: can barely swim. So it's like, you know, that's what
Speaker 1: you got. I think it's I think it's it's very
Speaker 1: difficult to judge European carp fishing by American standards, and
Speaker 1: and we run the risk of being those obnoxious American
Speaker 1: assholes who were looking down our nose, of them being like, oh,
Speaker 1: those stupid Brits and their course fishing. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be that guy. I don't, but I am fascinated
Speaker 1: by the carp fishing scene kind of the same way
Speaker 1: that I'm fascinated by the tournament bass angling scene here.
Speaker 1: It's not something I want to do, but again, sociologically, god,
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me. I couldn't agree more. And and
Speaker 1: again I'm we're only having some fun here. I've actually
Speaker 1: done the eurocarp thing. I had a button got Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got very into it here in the States, and
Speaker 1: he had all the stuff, all the button no no bivvy,
Speaker 1: we had no tents, but all the bite alarms. You know.
Speaker 1: He would show up and bait the swim and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. And uh caught some some giant carp doing that.
Speaker 1: But I almost, you know, I almost feel bad because
Speaker 1: these guys are so into it on these lakes where
Speaker 1: these fish are just pounded and pounded and pounded. And
Speaker 1: I've I've heard European guys say that usually they don't
Speaker 1: fight very well, right, because they've been caught a bunch
Speaker 1: of times. Right, And then you come to the States
Speaker 1: and they catch a wild river carp or something here,
Speaker 1: and it's like, holy shit, you know, they fight these
Speaker 1: wild fish here fight so much more. So, you know,
Speaker 1: it's almost surprising that we're not like Destiny travel destination
Speaker 1: number one for this because you can go wherever the
Speaker 1: hell you want. There's carpet everywhere. They're probably a lot
Speaker 1: dumber than the carp over there, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it just it just also is emblematic of
Speaker 1: the different attitudes there and here about carp right here.
Speaker 1: People go out with bows and whack as many carpets
Speaker 1: as possibly can and kill them, and they're they're seeing
Speaker 1: a nuisance. We hate them over there. One carp dies
Speaker 1: and it makes national news right that they're so revered.
Speaker 1: And I think that's I think that's a pretty good
Speaker 1: way of kind of framing how are different culture fishing
Speaker 1: cultures look at carp right there? Well, what the story said,
Speaker 1: And I didn't drop this down, so I hope I'm
Speaker 1: not wrong, but I believe that it said that as
Speaker 1: big as Tarka was, it couldn't become a record fish
Speaker 1: because common carper not native there either. They only count
Speaker 1: the mirror carp in record standing. Huh, well, no carper
Speaker 1: native there. I don't want we're gonna get into a
Speaker 1: rabbit hole there. Let's not. Let's not go too far
Speaker 1: down that hole. But I mean you did sort of
Speaker 1: team me up there for my next story, Joe, because
Speaker 1: we're we're we're not on the happiest of news today,
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm gonna kind of stick with not
Speaker 1: the happiest of news. Uh. I'm also gonna stick at
Speaker 1: least from my angle here with the angle of commercial fishing.
Speaker 1: I'm on the commercial fishing theme this week, okay, And honestly, man,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find and a sliver of hope in
Speaker 1: all the news we read about crashing marine stocks and
Speaker 1: not great. But one of the many issues that marine
Speaker 1: fisheries face is illegal, unregulated catch. International harvest regulations are
Speaker 1: like super super complicated and contentious, and I am not
Speaker 1: going to dive into all that here because we don't
Speaker 1: have time, but just to quickly and vastly oversimplify, a
Speaker 1: U N treaty does exist between sixty six countries and
Speaker 1: the European Union regulating marine harvest at theoretically sustainable levels. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: lots of fleets continue to operate illegally. Policing those fleets
Speaker 1: across global oceans just it's it's not feasible. There's there's
Speaker 1: too much water out there, Like, we can't police all
Speaker 1: the oceans. So one of the other ideas for curbing
Speaker 1: this destruction is to find ways of preventing the illegal
Speaker 1: fish from getting to the markets. Right, If the illicit
Speaker 1: fishermen can't sell their catch, they won't keep fishing illegally.
Speaker 1: Makes sense, yeah, right, But monitoring all the boats coming
Speaker 1: into international ports is also like a herculean task. So
Speaker 1: the folks at Pew Charitable Trusts just developed a new
Speaker 1: interactive tool to help port authorities and seafood buyers determine
Speaker 1: where illegal seafood is most likely to enter the markets.
Speaker 1: The tool uses data from automatic information systems, which are
Speaker 1: those electronic things that are on all boats now, and
Speaker 1: it focuses on the top nine global ports that receive
Speaker 1: the highest level of traffic from foreign vessels. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, like, there's my good news thing. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, this is just a tool that ports and
Speaker 1: seafood buyers can use if they choose to the existence
Speaker 1: of this time. There's no autation. This just came out right.
Speaker 1: Just having this tool doesn't do anything to curb or
Speaker 1: this way to illegal seafood trade, which currently brings in
Speaker 1: over twenty three billion dollars a year. Like, you're fighting
Speaker 1: up a lot of money there, I believe it. Yea.
Speaker 1: And in order for this to actually have any impact,
Speaker 1: the ports and the fish wholesalers need to use this information.
Speaker 1: They've got to actually turn away illegal vessels or refuse
Speaker 1: to buy their catch. And whether or not that happens,
Speaker 1: you know, it remains to be seen. My take is
Speaker 1: that this is a step in the right direction. It's
Speaker 1: it's not a solution, but I appreciate that this tool exists,
Speaker 1: and I hope people will start to implement some policies
Speaker 1: around it. But for my part, I just try to
Speaker 1: know as much about the origins of the fish I
Speaker 1: eat as possible. Preferably I are somebody I know catches it.
Speaker 1: Any fish I buy it a store is probably contributing
Speaker 1: to the problem, even if the packaging says wild cat.
Speaker 1: But that said still better than farm fish. So you
Speaker 1: know about all I can do. And I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: we could. Books have been written on the we can
Speaker 1: we can? You can get so lost in this debate
Speaker 1: and all the different different angles, and it is a
Speaker 1: great tool, and it is a step in the right direction.
Speaker 1: But if you if you step I can look at
Speaker 1: commercial fishing as a whole. It's just it just reeks
Speaker 1: of like a CAMAFIA operation. To me, it always has
Speaker 1: and that's what's so hard to penetrate. Like if you're
Speaker 1: not getting your fish for your restaurants more reputable source,
Speaker 1: but the price is right, it's like getting that many
Speaker 1: people to do the right thing. It really feels it
Speaker 1: feels impossible. It feels like almost impossible. Um. I'm not
Speaker 1: willing to go impossible, but I will say it's it's hard.
Speaker 1: And I like to when when I can think better,
Speaker 1: if people maybe having access to this tool, some some
Speaker 1: of the bigger seafood buyers and wholesalers and some of
Speaker 1: the big reports will we'll use it. We'll see. I
Speaker 1: want to be I want to be positive today, Joe.
Speaker 1: That's where I want to go. Well, I mean, the
Speaker 1: technology has to exist for anybody to use it at all,
Speaker 1: So so we will see. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of operations out there
Speaker 1: that really do care about sustainable and care about wild caught.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I guess it all depends on
Speaker 1: the volume and and what you need. It's just seems
Speaker 1: like such a tangled web. Know, and then if you
Speaker 1: start looking how this parlays into recreational fishing, it's a
Speaker 1: whole other rabbit hole. You know. I've heard organizations talk
Speaker 1: about recreational fluke limits as an example, but then they'll say, well,
Speaker 1: we don't have a good way to monitor the guys
Speaker 1: dragging for them. So it seems to me like until
Speaker 1: you have a good way to monitor that and know
Speaker 1: what they're doing with those fish, it's much harder to
Speaker 1: come down on the recreational guys. Like it's just the
Speaker 1: whole commercial scene. Man, it's just so it's so twisted. Yep,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a hard one to balance out. And
Speaker 1: this is we're I mean, this is one kind of
Speaker 1: little story in a much bigger thing. Like you said,
Speaker 1: books have been written about it. But I'm hoping, I'm
Speaker 1: hoping we get something potentially positive out of this tool. Anyway, Well,
Speaker 1: let's what we're gonna We're gonna keep moving on in
Speaker 1: a positive direction. Even though I think this here's another
Speaker 1: story with the dead fish. I mean that just seems
Speaker 1: like we're just all we're all about dead fish today.
Speaker 1: We're all about fish death, uh in this in this
Speaker 1: news segment. But it's a feel good story even though
Speaker 1: there is death and Um, we actually first got tipped
Speaker 1: off to this one by listener Taylor Riggan. And uh,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of sources out there. The one I'm
Speaker 1: pulling from here is from inforum dot com and the
Speaker 1: headline is Iowa man catches near record Minnesota muskie an
Speaker 1: unexpected place. So it goes a little something like this.
Speaker 1: It starts out the fish was so big. Brandon Gratick
Speaker 1: claims to have lost control of his bodily functions the
Speaker 1: first time he saw it. And here's a quote. It
Speaker 1: jumped one time. When he jumped, I saw him comma
Speaker 1: I in parentheses defecated. So we're gonna assume he said
Speaker 1: ship to the journalist. So when I saw him my ship,
Speaker 1: I literally did, he says, I really hope. That's one
Speaker 1: of the misuses of literal, like when people say literally
Speaker 1: but mean figuratively. Anyway, Yeah, I'm with you. So. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Iowa City, Iowa truck driver might have been exaggerating
Speaker 1: about his reaction to seeing his fish of a lifetime,
Speaker 1: but there is no need to exaggerate about the fish itself.
Speaker 1: Gratic landed a fifty two pound, fifty seven inch musk
Speaker 1: along and this was at the end of August from
Speaker 1: Straight Lake in Becker County near O s Age, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and he was there on vacation. And this beast had
Speaker 1: a twenty five in girth, So that's a that's a
Speaker 1: massive musk. But there's there's a lot of interesting things
Speaker 1: going on with his story. Um, so he did keep
Speaker 1: the whopper, which died while in possession. It appears to
Speaker 1: be the Minnesota record for a non released muskie, and
Speaker 1: its measurements were within fractions of the state's catch and
Speaker 1: release mark. But here's here's where it starts to get interesting. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: there have never been any muskies stocked in Straight Lake,
Speaker 1: nor according to Minnesota DNR, have they ever gotten any
Speaker 1: in net studies in Straight Lake. And uh, what they
Speaker 1: say is that they believe that it jumped from a
Speaker 1: rearing pond located across the highway across thirty four from
Speaker 1: the lake. It jumped anyway, I'm gonna leave out go ahead, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't think they're necessarily saying
Speaker 1: it jumped, but that's where they figure at some point
Speaker 1: it came from. So some other fun facts, right, the
Speaker 1: fish hit a two and a half inch long booyah.
Speaker 1: Crank bait that Graddic said he quote grabbed out of
Speaker 1: the bargain bin at Walmart because that, kids, is how
Speaker 1: you catch a big muskie. And I'm not kidding. I
Speaker 1: feel like a I feel like a broken record. You
Speaker 1: want to catch a musky target bass and and and
Speaker 1: cropp ease like this, dude, bin that's so good. Don't
Speaker 1: buy the lure by the two dollar bargain bin. Lure
Speaker 1: bargain all day. But on a down note, however, because
Speaker 1: Graddick was using super light line and a lighter outfit,
Speaker 1: the fight lasted thirty minutes and it kind of whooped
Speaker 1: the fish, which yeah, I mean that's gonna happen, hap
Speaker 1: me um. He also didn't have a big enough net,
Speaker 1: so landing must have been something he apparently squose it into,
Speaker 1: like a little trout sized net. I would love to
Speaker 1: see that me too, though obviously he did land it,
Speaker 1: because then, the story says, Graddick wanted to show his
Speaker 1: family the massive catch, so he called and told them
Speaker 1: to wait on the dock at the resort, about a
Speaker 1: fifteen minute boat ride away. The nearly five ft long
Speaker 1: fish didn't come close to fitting in his live well either,
Speaker 1: so Graddick just put the muski's head in the water
Speaker 1: and zip back to the dock. Put that whole dog
Speaker 1: and pony show together, and you've got a dead muskie.
Speaker 1: And while good on you for an amazing catch. As
Speaker 1: you can imagine, he's been catching some flak over that,
Speaker 1: though he says, don't worry, I plan to skin mount it.
Speaker 1: So there you go. Now, as crazy as this whole
Speaker 1: thing is, this is the piece that that really sticks
Speaker 1: with me. Um. I can't speak for everywhere, but particularly
Speaker 1: out here, like in Pennsylvania or I live, there are
Speaker 1: so many creeks and and warm water rivers and stuff
Speaker 1: that you know, everybody thinks that it's just rock bass
Speaker 1: and small mouth and pick roll and stuff. But at
Speaker 1: certain times a year, because of other trips that come in,
Speaker 1: it's like if you know where you're going, Like there's
Speaker 1: some big gas brown trout in this one in December
Speaker 1: that aren't actually supposed to be there. Like there's all
Speaker 1: sorts of little secret things like that out here. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the same in Montana, but that's
Speaker 1: what I think is so cool, you know, because it
Speaker 1: makes me wonder, did somebody else know there's some muskies
Speaker 1: in Straight Lake, you know, and for years have been like, no,
Speaker 1: there's not don't fish here, No, there's not. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think that's I do. I do too,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's one of those ones like
Speaker 1: I get why people are upset. That's poor fish handling,
Speaker 1: and the muskie community in particular gets way way serious
Speaker 1: about that stuff. So I'm you're not gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna weigh on that. But if you're talking about a place,
Speaker 1: it's not like we're talking about Malax or Lake Saint
Speaker 1: Clair or Green Bay or one of those fisheries where
Speaker 1: muski hunters go to target their fish and those they
Speaker 1: want to have them there. It wasn't even supposed to
Speaker 1: be there. So I think that that has to be
Speaker 1: part of the conversation when you're weighing all this. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not an optimal example of how you
Speaker 1: should handle the fish, but that happens sometimes. It's fishing,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's it's a little hard to
Speaker 1: blame the dude, right because the Minnesota record has stood
Speaker 1: since nineteen fifty seven from like Winnebagosh. So if that
Speaker 1: ends up taking it, man, how ironic is it in
Speaker 1: the Land of ten Thousand Lakes? It comes from the
Speaker 1: one that's not supposed to have them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? The irony in that is terrific. So maybe
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have some follow up on this one, you know,
Speaker 1: see it, see if he gets qualified. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: ain't gonna forget that one. So alright, Phil, you gotta
Speaker 1: you got a tough one this week. Man. Do you
Speaker 1: want to go with the lighthearted fun fish catching stories
Speaker 1: and fish dying stories? Are you gonna go with like
Speaker 1: the serious fisheries ecological level stories? What are you? What
Speaker 1: are you gonna pick? Buddy? We're all waiting with bated
Speaker 1: breath to find out. Did Miles Nulty bring in the
Speaker 1: most pressing fish stories this week? Yes? But did he
Speaker 1: bring in the most interesting fish stories this week? Also? Yes?
Speaker 1: Despite that, however, in memory of Tarka, I am crowding
Speaker 1: Joe Surmeli the winner. Joe, thank you for your tribute
Speaker 1: to legendary size kings this week. This does not mean, however,
Speaker 1: I want Fish News to turn into an awards show.
Speaker 1: In Memoriam Reel, people will expect us to get Selene
Speaker 1: Dion to sing Hollylujah over some black and white photos
Speaker 1: of dead fish. And we do not have Selene Dion
Speaker 1: in the budget. Maybe Sarah McLaughlin though. Anyway, all this
Speaker 1: death and sadness, I could use a stiff drink. I
Speaker 1: don't know about you. But instead of instead of hitting
Speaker 1: the the local corner bar, which would be easy, let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's head to Australia for this week's That's My Bar.
Speaker 1: Best god damn bar tender from tim Buck to to Portland,
Speaker 1: Maine the Portland argument for that matter. This week on
Speaker 1: That's My Bar, we're taking a really long imaginary flight
Speaker 1: to a place I'm not sure I'll ever be able
Speaker 1: to actually afford to fish. This may be as close
Speaker 1: as I ever get. But I must say it's cool
Speaker 1: to have a bar nomination from freaking Victoria, Australia. Right
Speaker 1: we Yes, we said we wanted to hear about bars
Speaker 1: all around the world, and listener Josh Carpenter delivered with
Speaker 1: this gem. Okay, and Josh writes, when you talked about
Speaker 1: the best fishing bars in the world, I immediately thought
Speaker 1: of the Bem River Hotel in East Gippsland area of Australia.
Speaker 1: The entire township has a total of two stores, the
Speaker 1: Bem River Hotel and a tackle shop. Why do I
Speaker 1: not live there? Um, he says, that's the kind of
Speaker 1: place it is. The Bem River Hotel comes with all
Speaker 1: the startup requisites for a fishing bar, forty year old carpet,
Speaker 1: dusty skin mounts on every wall, a large stainless steel
Speaker 1: trough instead of urinals, a golden retriever that has warner
Speaker 1: groove into the floor laying next to the door, and
Speaker 1: monochrome photos of two men standing next to a hundred
Speaker 1: dead fish on the ground from the good old days.
Speaker 1: But if that's not enough, Okay, there's more. There is more.
Speaker 1: I'm already sold man, you retriever on the floor, he says.
Speaker 1: What makes the place really special, though, is that whenever
Speaker 1: fishing tournaments come through town, they will extend trading hours
Speaker 1: and employ extra local people to accommodate the anglers. They
Speaker 1: will cook bacon and egg rolls and make coffee at
Speaker 1: five am, and then serve booze as late as the
Speaker 1: anglers will keep buying it. They also cook a mean
Speaker 1: feed of greasy chicken parmesans on a mountain of fries
Speaker 1: to fuel anglers all of this even though they are
Speaker 1: the only place you could possibly go within sixty miles,
Speaker 1: and he says plenty of other bars on the tournament
Speaker 1: trail won't even keep the kitchen open ten minutes longer
Speaker 1: than normal. That's how you nominate a place, no doubt that.
Speaker 1: I mean que the applause. That's not only does that
Speaker 1: sound like an amazing place, but that guy did a
Speaker 1: fantastic job of describing it. So to him as well,
Speaker 1: Josh from Australia, we brother and I I love this
Speaker 1: And the most striking and educational thing for me is
Speaker 1: that I had no ideas the Ausea's eight chicken palm.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, everybody eats chicken palm. Come on, see,
Speaker 1: like who would have thunks? Like? That's that's what I
Speaker 1: expect to hear from a nomination of a bar where
Speaker 1: like the party boats dock in Brooklyn. Yea, they got
Speaker 1: the fresh Pepper's little Gobbagle, not Australia. That should have
Speaker 1: been like kangaroo Cobab's and deep fried Yabbies or something. Anyway,
Speaker 1: don't do not talk smack on kangaroo meat. It is
Speaker 1: delicious and I'm not joking right now. I I think
Speaker 1: Josh will probably back me up on this. Josh, Kangaroo's delicious.
Speaker 1: Don't anybody tell you different. Josh. You can, you can
Speaker 1: write back in it and back Miles up on that.
Speaker 1: But I have a message for you, man Um. I
Speaker 1: look this place up. Super cool, divy bar meets store,
Speaker 1: convenience store with a boat ramp. It's right in the bay.
Speaker 1: But dude, I have some bad news. Per the BEM website,
Speaker 1: the joints for Saleman. So, Josh, if you have the
Speaker 1: financial means, maybe this is a sign that you need
Speaker 1: to purchase this joint and keep Bem's cranking so Miles
Speaker 1: and I can come visit you and drink there. Someday.
Speaker 1: Maybe we take up a collection, we turn it into bents.
Speaker 1: It's our, It's our, our flagship headquarters outside of the US.
Speaker 1: Let's get the stickers and T shirts going before we
Speaker 1: start buying buying water and holes. Anyway, we've been enjoying
Speaker 1: all your bar nominations, so please keep those coming. We
Speaker 1: appreciate your help so much. Keep firing them off to
Speaker 1: Bent at the meat Eater dot com so we can
Speaker 1: keep this list growing and give your local hangs some love.
Speaker 1: Be honest, with you, man, I just want to know
Speaker 1: more about Australian fishing tournaments. You know, like we've covered
Speaker 1: the fact that neither one of us is big into
Speaker 1: tournament fishing, at least, you know, not the way it's
Speaker 1: done here in the States. But I gotta imagine the
Speaker 1: Aussees do it up eat down there, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? I would think so like I mean, they
Speaker 1: seem to have a lot of stuff dial when it
Speaker 1: comes to fishing, because they have, they have so much
Speaker 1: good fishing and so many cool fish in Australia. But
Speaker 1: I have no idea, like what's their tournament fish? What
Speaker 1: is it that they are tournament? Is it baron Mundy?
Speaker 1: Is it Murray cod? Is it Australian bass? I don't know, Josh.
Speaker 1: If you're still listening, fill us in. We are ignorant
Speaker 1: about your tournament targets down there, but we like learning
Speaker 1: stuff also, so we have a listener at least one
Speaker 1: listener in Australia. So that's pretty cool. That could equate
Speaker 1: to one couch we could sleep on if if we
Speaker 1: needed to. But yeah, Josh, let us know, because you know,
Speaker 1: the bar you mentioned is coastal, so if it's a
Speaker 1: saltwater tournament. It's even more interesting, like what what do
Speaker 1: you guys? What do you guys target? What do you know?
Speaker 1: And they do have very cool fish there, so I've heard.
Speaker 1: I've never fished there myself because I have offensive it
Speaker 1: is I have, Well, yeah, my I should clarify that
Speaker 1: that my wife works for an Australian organization, so so
Speaker 1: she gets to go down or used to be able
Speaker 1: to go down there back when we could travel a lot,
Speaker 1: doesn't she she's she's all about those quantum miles. She
Speaker 1: just rides in the pouch um. I the one time
Speaker 1: I did get the fish out there, I think I
Speaker 1: caught the world's smallest murray cod. But those are super
Speaker 1: cool fish. And if you don't know about him, we'll
Speaker 1: we'll cover him here at some point because I've I've
Speaker 1: written about them before and I loved hanging out in Australia.
Speaker 1: Uh And just a quick tip for other Americans who
Speaker 1: may go there. I made some poor footwear choices, but
Speaker 1: you shouldn't bring snake boots. All the Ausse's wear snake
Speaker 1: boots and running through the bush in shorts and flip
Speaker 1: flops and the mill of the night is a good
Speaker 1: way to die. So pro tip for you. I sense
Speaker 1: that there's a deeper backstory there that either I don't
Speaker 1: know there's it's a long story. We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: tell that one in the time. Short version is they
Speaker 1: have these things called brown snakes. They will kill people
Speaker 1: very quickly. Uh. I think I only avoided getting bitten
Speaker 1: through sheer luck and ignorance straight up. Like, hey man, however,
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to stay safe, sheer luck and ignorance,
Speaker 1: that was sometimes anyway. For all the fascinating and fun
Speaker 1: fish they have in oz and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of them, one fish that they don't have our gar
Speaker 1: And if you're one of the outcasts like me in
Speaker 1: the Pro Guard fishing camp, listen up because this week's
Speaker 1: tackle hack comes from our good friend Alvin Dado in Texas,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna pass along a sweet little nugget for
Speaker 1: how you can catch more of them cars. I'm getting
Speaker 1: hats coming from inside the city like the flood at.
Speaker 1: Today's tackle hack comes to us from renowned fishing guide
Speaker 1: from all over the West, Alvin Dado. Alvin, how are
Speaker 1: you man, I'm fantestic, How are you? I'm also fantastic
Speaker 1: thank you. And you uh, I mean, dude, you you
Speaker 1: got it all over the place. You've done fresh, you've
Speaker 1: done salt, you've done rivers, you've done lakes like you
Speaker 1: just you do it all right, that's right, all waters man.
Speaker 1: So ask someone who who has guided and fished just
Speaker 1: about every kind of fishing there is. We brought you
Speaker 1: here to give us one of your favorite tips on
Speaker 1: fish and give us your tackle. Hack man, what do
Speaker 1: you got? All right? I'm calling this one the guard attachment.
Speaker 1: So it is an attachment that you can put on
Speaker 1: your hook, whether it's a fly or spinner, a plug, whatever,
Speaker 1: that will allow you to catch some gr Guar are
Speaker 1: known for having very bony mouths, and it's hard to
Speaker 1: get a hook in the small hooks, big hooks, doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter, but if you really want to give them,
Speaker 1: what you need is a guard attachment. And the guard
Speaker 1: attachment is a piece of nylon rope maybe two inches long.
Speaker 1: You burn one end so it doesn't fray, and then
Speaker 1: you take the other end and fray it out. Now,
Speaker 1: the important part is that you make a pretty good
Speaker 1: sized chunk of burned rope one end, because what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do is poke your hook through that burned section
Speaker 1: of the rope, and that'll keep it on there, so
Speaker 1: you don't have to tie it on. You don't have
Speaker 1: to make a fly, you don't have to make a
Speaker 1: lure with it on there. You just got a little
Speaker 1: piece of rope that's ready to stick on your hook
Speaker 1: when you want to get a car. And the way
Speaker 1: it works is gar have barbed teeth, so their teeth
Speaker 1: are designed to grab stuff and hold. They're not designed
Speaker 1: for cutting. So what happens when the guar grabs the yarn,
Speaker 1: the barbs and their teeth get tangled up. And what
Speaker 1: you gotta do is you gotta let them take it
Speaker 1: for a little bit. So let them run with it
Speaker 1: for a little bit before you set the hook. Even
Speaker 1: though you're not really setting the hook, you're just getting
Speaker 1: the line tight. The teeth are tangled up, and it
Speaker 1: works really well. Now, the thing about it is, uh,
Speaker 1: especially if you want to catch a guard to eat,
Speaker 1: it's a really good technique. But if you're trying to
Speaker 1: catch gar and release them, bring some gloves and some
Speaker 1: ly and some long dose fliers because you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to You're gonna have to untang will be guard attachment
Speaker 1: from the guard's teeth. If you want to return the
Speaker 1: guard to the water, if you want to keep the
Speaker 1: guard and eat it, you're all good. Whack them on
Speaker 1: the head and yank it out and throw them in
Speaker 1: the cooler. So I always have a guard attachment with
Speaker 1: you so you can get you some car. If this
Speaker 1: wasn't if this was an infomercial, I'd order twelve already
Speaker 1: right now. That's Monday, Sunday Sunday. Guard Gargard just happened.
Speaker 1: I just happened to be setting up a website that
Speaker 1: y'all can go to www dot guard attachment dot net.
Speaker 1: Because when you got the guar attachments, you don't need
Speaker 1: no net. I know that guard that's kind of like
Speaker 1: a niche fish, But that is a solid bit of
Speaker 1: wisdom right there. If you're into those, it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: a niche fish. I'm just saying, should should guard are
Speaker 1: so fun and and that's a good tip. I particularly
Speaker 1: if you're a little curious about the guards. I want
Speaker 1: to figure it out that I'm telling you. That's a
Speaker 1: good tip. I've seen Alvin use that successfully. And and
Speaker 1: if anybody out there watched season one of Doss Boat
Speaker 1: You might recognize that little maneuver because after after Jesse
Speaker 1: Griffith farmed like ten gar on spinner baits and clousers.
Speaker 1: Because just like the hooked wooden stick, Alvin rigged up
Speaker 1: that guard attachment and Jesse promptly got it done. It worked,
Speaker 1: It worked a charm man. It's a secret weapon, secret
Speaker 1: weapon of all good gar anglers. Cheap ass nylon rope.
Speaker 1: It is not just for tying off that mintor bucket. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it is. It is a tool of of many, many uses.
Speaker 1: We don't have time to list all the different things
Speaker 1: you should be doing with your ends of nylon rope
Speaker 1: because we are coming to the end. But before we go,
Speaker 1: Joe is going to tell you about a bait with
Speaker 1: possibly the coolest name of all time in this week's
Speaker 1: end of the line. Well it's not loud enough. Nomad
Speaker 1: Design Tackle is an Australian based company that specializes in
Speaker 1: creating lords that will fool and stand up to big
Speaker 1: bad blue water brawlers like Tuna and Giant trivollis. Now
Speaker 1: given that the Aussies have a testing ground with much
Speaker 1: cooler ship to test on, like those GTS and dog
Speaker 1: Tooth tunas. It's no wonder that Nomad's wears have infiltrated
Speaker 1: the US market, coveted by those like me infatuated with
Speaker 1: casting not trolling for bad as pelagic species. Nomad makes
Speaker 1: all kinds of cool stuff, But I'm gonna go on
Speaker 1: record right now and say there is no offering finer
Speaker 1: than the popper they released in two thousand and eighteen
Speaker 1: called the Chug Norris. Now here's the thing, right, I've
Speaker 1: never fished a Chuck Norris. I don't even own a
Speaker 1: Chuck Norris. I've held at Chuck Norris in my hands
Speaker 1: several times at various tackle shops. I've debated the Chuck Norris,
Speaker 1: and each time I've decided I couldn't bring myself to
Speaker 1: drop thirty five smackers on a popper I don't really need. Now,
Speaker 1: to be clear, I'm not saying that Chuck Norris isn't
Speaker 1: worth that kind of money. It's extremely well made, tough
Speaker 1: as nails, and supposedly has design elements that allow it
Speaker 1: to throw a ton of water while being easier to
Speaker 1: work than other similar offshore poppers. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: as much as I love throwing poppers at tuna and dolphin.
Speaker 1: I only get to do it a handful of times
Speaker 1: this season if I'm lucky, and it's been my experience
Speaker 1: that when you're dealing with a school of hungry boiling
Speaker 1: tuna or a bulldolphin hovering under some flots um, if
Speaker 1: they're fired up enough to eat a popper, it don't
Speaker 1: matter if it's a madman as thorn, t popper, pro popper,
Speaker 1: jet popper, bullpop, tuna rocket or tun a hunter. And
Speaker 1: I have plenty of all of those, which essentially means
Speaker 1: I only want to buy a Chuck Norris because it's
Speaker 1: called the Chuck Norris, which brings us to why I've
Speaker 1: included this lure that I've never actually thrown. In end
Speaker 1: of the line, I distinctly recall walking up on the
Speaker 1: Nomad booth at eye Cast, which is the big tackle
Speaker 1: industry trade show back in seeing the sign reading Chuck
Speaker 1: Norris and swooning as I remember, I had to brace
Speaker 1: myself on the table of a man selling beer koozies
Speaker 1: that had led lights in them and coolers that featured
Speaker 1: built in deep fat friars. It was and still remains
Speaker 1: the best god damn lure name I've ever heard it's
Speaker 1: worthy of owning and throwing. Just so you can include
Speaker 1: the words Chuck Norris in your Instagram posts. Think of
Speaker 1: the witty pop culture e possibilities. Chuck Norris doesn't shower,
Speaker 1: He only takes blood baths. When Chuck Norris does division,
Speaker 1: there are no remainders. There is no theory of evolution,
Speaker 1: just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live.
Speaker 1: And for those of you that travel to fish, keep
Speaker 1: Chuck Norris once visited the Virgin Islands. They are now
Speaker 1: the islands in your back pocket. Don't worry, all you
Speaker 1: Middle America listeners that have no use for a seven
Speaker 1: inch popper. They can tackle of fish as big and
Speaker 1: heavy as your lawn tractor. Nomad also makes three point
Speaker 1: seven five inch Chuck Norris models, which would probably catch
Speaker 1: some muskies or some some hog large mouths. Uh. And
Speaker 1: that said, though, you know, for a time there was
Speaker 1: even an itty bitty two inch freshwater Chuck Norris that
Speaker 1: featured patterns like frog and crayfish, but it appears to
Speaker 1: be discontinued, probably because y'all are doing just fine with
Speaker 1: your pop bars and hula poppers. But my pop bar
Speaker 1: came in contact with the coronavirus. Now the coronavirus is
Speaker 1: quarantining for two weeks, just doesn't have the same ring.
Speaker 1: Well that's it for this week. Hopefully you now know
Speaker 1: how to tell when a Canadian is making fun of you,
Speaker 1: why you should never ever leave a newlywed couple in
Speaker 1: your boat alone for more than ten minutes, no matter
Speaker 1: how old they are, and why Joe always carries a
Speaker 1: bag of nine on rope soaked in bacon grease in
Speaker 1: his front pocket. I do. And if you have crafted
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