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Speaker 1: Gem Welcome to the Dropping Gems podcast. We're back at it.

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Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown, your host. You know, astrology is really

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Speaker 1: When I was a girl, When I was a little girl,

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Speaker 1: It's so it's so interesting, um Rennee. You know, I

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Speaker 1: and partners and family members, you know, anyone who's reaching

428
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: towards these tools to help each other, you know, And

429
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: what you were saying like they're giving you tools to

430
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: to be a supportive parent and ally for him and

431
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: to not impose your ideas upon him. And in my experience, um,

432
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, with with my mom, one of the most

433
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: profound um events that happened because of astrology is that

434
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: I wanted to leave school when I was thirteen. I

435
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: was really depressed and I hated being there. And my

436
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: mom um didn't understand what I was going through. She

437
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: had been a person who had really liked school, but

438
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: she had my astrology chart and she knew that it

439
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: wasn't a good place for me, and so she trusted

440
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: me to leave. And also because of of seeing my chart, like,

441
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: she worked with me to help me set up kind

442
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: of more of a self directed education, which was so courageous.

443
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: You know, all of her friends were telling her it

444
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: was a bad idea. All of her family was telling

445
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: her that. And for me, I you know, I was

446
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: literally suicidal before I left school, and within two years

447
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: I was doing great. Um. And so I just I'm

448
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: like just so deeply grateful to her for for trusting

449
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: what was coming through in astrology and following it. And yeah,

450
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: I think that UM, trying to support one another, you know,

451
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: on in our lives, like with all the differences between

452
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: people and not being able to put ourselves entirely into

453
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: another's experience. Anything that can help us, you know, meet

454
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: each other where we are is just something to celebrate. Yeah,

455
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: so beautifully said, something to celebrate, especially these days. Hold

456
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: that thought we are coming right back we had. We've

457
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: just come out of a hell of a year, right,

458
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 1: we just got out of um. You know, the words

459
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: used to describe this year we've heard over and over,

460
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: but they are so fitting unprecedented times, right. Um. It

461
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: has been a year of profound challenge, but profound awakening

462
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: as well. And I'm you know, I'm kind of no

463
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: of seeing this very distinct line in the stand that's

464
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: kind of being drawn, um, from my perspective energetically, where

465
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: there really is becoming a separation between being stuck and

466
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: allowing yourself to be awake. And it feels like to

467
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: me that this like convergence. It's it's kind of going

468
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: to be two worlds here on Earth in a way

469
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: that we haven't experienced yet, where one side is really

470
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: going to be on this fast tracked ascension, um, and

471
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: the other side maybe we'll continue to kind of um

472
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: stay where they are. I would love to hear what

473
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: we're some you know, if we're looking through through the

474
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: lens of astrology and understanding it through that depth. What

475
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: are some of the moments that stood out for the

476
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: year And have any other moments in history been comparable

477
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: to some of the things that we saw energetically this year? Wow? Yeah,

478
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: what a great question. Well began with a really significant

479
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: aspect um that perfected on January twelve. And that aspect

480
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: is a one s every thirty six year event, which

481
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: is the meeting of the planet's Saturn and Pluto um.

482
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: So this is a like I said, it's an event

483
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: that occurs every thirty six years or so. But they

484
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: met in the signed Capricorn, and the two planets hadn't

485
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: come together in Capricorn since eighteen was the last time

486
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: that uh that they could formed a conjunction in Capricorn,

487
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: and that was the year that basically the Transatlantic slave

488
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: trade began. It was the year that King Charles of

489
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: Spain authorized the first forced transport of enslaved people from

490
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: from Africa to the America's and then um. The next

491
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: time the planet Pluto was in Capricorn, UH was in

492
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds when the Declaration of Independence was drafted

493
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: and signed and the kind of birth of the United States,

494
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: Um happened. And so in astrology there are these cycles,

495
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: like these cycles of time. Right, all of the planets

496
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: orbit around the Sun in a cyclical rhythm, and astrologers

497
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: are storytellers and historians, and so we are looking back

498
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: all the time and going, Okay, well, what's the cycle

499
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: that we're in right now? And when a cycle completes, UM,

500
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: we're thinking about what is the resonance of this cycle

501
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: that is completing, and how is it giving birth to

502
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: this new cycle that's beginning. So in the cycle that

503
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: completed was a cycle that began in fifteen eighteen and

504
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: that had resonance to uh, I forget the year that

505
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: Um declar of Independence was written, seventeen sixty something, right,

506
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for that, UM. So it's not at

507
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: all surprising, you know that a kind of mass consciousness,

508
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: like it's not like, you know, people hadn't been saying

509
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: this or chanting this for generations already, But it was

510
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: like a mass consciousness suddenly clicked into what the history is,

511
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, to some level, and started to acknowledge it together,

512
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: and that gave momentum um to start this new cycle.

513
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: And the new cycle then is arising from the past,

514
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: but it also is going to have its own momentum,

515
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: its own kind of flavor UM. And one of the

516
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: significant things about the conjunction in is that Jupiter was

517
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: also in Capricorn and so there was a kind of

518
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: triple conjunction throughout the year. And as a planetary energy UM,

519
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: Jupiter provides opportunity and growth and the possibility of expansion

520
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: and wisdom and learning. And so I think a lot

521
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: of UM what what came through in like you said,

522
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, unprecedented. Other words I've heard are reckoning, um.

523
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: You know this this need to be accountable to what

524
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: has happened and to learn from it and then to

525
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: grow into something new, to transform what has happened into

526
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: something new UM. So within I would say that the

527
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: main influence was this conjunction between Saturn and Pluto, with

528
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: Jupiter's influence as well. And there you know, there are

529
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: several influences throughout the year that I think we're um notable.

530
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: But one of the other ones that a lot of

531
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: astrology years were following and talking about was the way

532
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: that Mars retrograde cycle aspected with these influences in capricorn

533
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: Um and Mars was retrograde Forum basically from July through

534
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: the end of the year and so spicy. Yeah, Mars

535
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: is the planetary ruler of Aries Um. Both of their

536
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: energies are uh. They can be warlike and combative, they

537
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: can be really aggressive. They represent UM, not men per se,

538
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: but masculinity and so like this kind of young energy

539
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: the um a lot of things that we may associate with,

540
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: like with a kind of masculinity, so UM like a

541
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: bravado or a machismo or a showy nous or UM

542
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: assertiveness or things like that. And Mars was retrograde UM

543
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: September and October, and it was forming really hard aspects

544
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: with the capricorn placements UM all through July, June, July,

545
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: August UM and then into the rest of the year.

546
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: And when Mars formed its squares to Pluto UM, what

547
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: we had is UH confrontational aspect. This is a square

548
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: an argumentative, conflicting aspect between one energy Mars and aries

549
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: that is UM pushing for some kind of movement like uh,

550
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: it's an unapologetic UH push for action. Arias is really

551
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: action oriented. There can be a lot of individualism within

552
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: Mars and areas as an energy, and also there's a

553
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: kind of nod to the power of a person with

554
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: with Aries as an energy and with Mars as an energy,

555
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: and they are confronting Pluto and Capricorn, which we might

556
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: see as an energetic that describes UM a government or

557
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: dominant power. This is Capricorn and Pluto UM. Some kind

558
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: of transformative process would be one way to think of

559
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: the symbol, but we can also think of the misuse

560
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: of power and a kind of tyranny that can come

561
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: through with Pluto's energetic. So looking back at last year

562
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, the uprisings and this incredible UM

563
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: kind of energy of change that came through in UM,

564
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: it's really amazing to look at the correspondence between UH

565
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: Mars square Pluto UM and kind of how those aspects

566
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: showed up in the charts that that I looked at

567
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: some of the charts UM of last year's like really

568
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: notable moments, you know. So on the chart for UM

569
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: the uprising in Minneapolis following George Floyd's murder, UM, there

570
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: was such incredible tension between Mars and Pluto UM and

571
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: numerous other aspects that you know, probably aren't this isn't

572
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: a time to get into explaining all of them, but

573
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: a symbol basically of individuals being fed up, you know,

574
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: and and the force of conviction that gained enough momentum

575
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: to become cohesive enough to challenge a dominant power and

576
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: to break something m hm, or break through something. It's

577
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: so interesting. You know. Something that I've spoken to quite

578
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: a bit on this show and just a reflection I've

579
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: been having in myself is, without even knowing the the

580
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: astrological background on this, is how really in the last

581
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: three to five years, our collective consciousness has risen probably

582
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: more than it's risen in the last several hundred years.

583
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, like these these conversations, these themes of the

584
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: way we experience ourselves in society have been rising to

585
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: the top at this accelerated pace, you know, and it's

586
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: like it's incredible, um, but it's a lot, and I

587
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: think we haven't really taken full stock of how weighty

588
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: that is, you know, to be fully embedded and exploring, uh,

589
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: the racial dynamic in America this powerfully for the first time, um,

590
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: really opening up conversations about women and sexuality and you know,

591
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: the oppression of women and sexual assault, and you know

592
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: the way in which toxic masculinity has guided us societally

593
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: since it's in option, and you know, it's like we

594
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: are gender equality, you know, UM, all the different ways

595
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: that that we can come to this earth. You know,

596
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: we have not unpacked all of these things ever, let

597
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: alone all at once, you know. And so it's it's

598
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: in terms of our collective consciousness, it's a it's a

599
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: gorgeous elevation we're having, but it is also probably the

600
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: biggest challenge for all of us to really receive and

601
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: interpret and sit with how heavy these themes are. Yeah, absolutely,

602
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: I definitely agree. And I think UM. I think in

603
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: terms of astrological symbolism, UM really speaks to that tell

604
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: me your name, give us the UM. Well, so in

605
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: I was already kind of talking about the presence of

606
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: Saturn and Jupiter and Capricorn, and Capricorn is a sign

607
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: that UM is associated with what has been built over

608
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: time through the dominant power. So the structures that have

609
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: been erected UM historically because of who had access to

610
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: erecting them. So we can think about governments for sure,

611
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: and and you know, leaders or whatever like these structural

612
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: powers UM as well as traditions and conservatism UM towards

613
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: that are really associated with Capricorn often and Aquarius is

614
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: a sign that comes after Capricorn. And with Aquarius UM

615
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: there are two ways I think UM we can describe Aquarius.

616
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: And so first of all, Aquarius is an air sign,

617
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: and all of the air signs have to do with

618
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: UH thought and UM concept and the mental plane, the

619
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: informational plane, and coming after Capricorn, Aquarius can be a

620
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: symbol of UM, the like mental fixed nous that is

621
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: produced through tradition or through UM coherence with the dominant structure.

622
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: So for example, UM, you know, you could be waiting

623
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: to cross the street and the light is red, but

624
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: there's no cars coming. You could easily cross the street,

625
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: but if you've really been trained to not cross the

626
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: street when the light is red, you won't even go

627
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: to start to walk right Like that would be an

628
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: example of the way that a thought could be really

629
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: embodied and then become an attitude or a somatic UM instinct.

630
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: And so Aquarius can definitely speak to that, like the

631
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: ways that we are complicit with UM with structure UH

632
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: without even thinking about it, just because that's what we've

633
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: grown in and arisen front. These are conditions UM, but

634
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: Aquarius also speaks to the ability to wake up to

635
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: condition ng and to break uh, to have some kind

636
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: of breakthrough, and then to reach for liberation. And that's

637
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: kind of the high vibration of Aquarius is this idea

638
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: of freedom, and it's not like freedom to do whatever

639
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: you want. It's it's freedom from the conditioning, like freedom

640
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: to actually be present in your life and not to

641
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: stay in some constant state of repetition or oppression under

642
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: uh someone else's thought for right or structural thought. So

643
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: on the solstice of December one, Jupiter and Saturn had

644
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: both moved into Aquarius the couple of days before, and

645
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: they formed a conjunction on that day, and that was

646
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: also a very significant astrological event. Jupiter and Saturn only

647
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: form their conjunctions once every twenty years, but due to

648
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: their um their orbits around the Sun, their con junctions

649
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: UH form in signs of the same element for two

650
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: hundred years, and they had been meeting in the Earth

651
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: signs since the early eighteen hundreds and this year, Jupiter

652
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: and Saturn's conjunction in Aquarius UM on December one marks

653
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: not just the beginning of a new twenty year cycle,

654
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: but the beginning of a new two hundred year cycle

655
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: where they will be meeting in the air signs. And

656
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: so what this implies with Jupiter and Saturn is a

657
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: shifting social sentiment. There is enough consciousness and also enough

658
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: motivation for people to really want change within the structures

659
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: of society. The first decade or two of this new

660
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: two hundred year cycle UM will be marked by this

661
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: effort to change, and astrologers call this time between the

662
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: changes in element of their meetings. They call it the

663
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: great mutation because it's a mutation of a social landscape,

664
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: and the mutation is also occurring obviously for each of

665
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: us individually and throughout. The most significant astrological aspects will

666
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: take place between UH, Saturn and Aquarius and the planet

667
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: Urinus in Taurists, and Urinus is associated with Aquarius. It's

668
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: the modern planetary ruler of the sign. And what this

669
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: aspect speaks to is UH some kind of concentrated effort

670
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: to change. And the effort to change is um not easy, right, like,

671
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: especially if we're trying to change things that are really

672
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: deeply embedded, especially if we're trying to change things that

673
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: like you said, I haven't been talked about, like, have

674
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: barely been acknowledged, might not even you know, be cognizant

675
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: for a lot of folks. So the ability to change

676
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: it is you know, uh, it necessitates mental, psychic, physical, relational,

677
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: emotional willingness to be uncomfortable right and to like try

678
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: to recognize where habit and pattern is keeping us from

679
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: having an authentic, liberated experience, are loving experience. So my

680
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: feeling is that, um, there there is enough consciousness now

681
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: that the hope for change can get grounded. Like like

682
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: we're seeing you know, we're feeling like maybe not as apathetic,

683
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, as we did in nineteen. Like there's a

684
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: feeling of like maybe maybe we can get somewhere. And

685
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: there's there's so much assistance when it comes to information

686
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: at this time. There is language that we didn't have

687
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: ten years ago. There are leaders and teachers who are

688
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: modeling by example, UM, ways of being and ways of

689
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: policy making or legislating that we could feel hopeful about. Um.

690
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ideas about how we could reshape

691
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: society or reform community, and I think that there's enough

692
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: people that want that that we can make a sustained

693
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: push and a sustained effort. But the challenge of this

694
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: of this year especially is to be consistent and dedicated

695
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: in our effort. We've got a lot of ideas, there's

696
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: a lot of enthusiasm, there's a lot of energy for change,

697
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: but it's not going to happen over a night, and

698
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: there will be this uh like intensity around the struggle

699
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: for it. So we have to stay consistent. And part

700
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: of consistency is also sustainability, right, like we we can't

701
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: burn ourselves out. And one thing that I'm really loving

702
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: about right now is how much um awareness and I

703
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: feel like your podcast does this uh so much too,

704
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: Like there's this awareness that the revolution is going to

705
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: be supported by care, you know, and it's not just

706
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: the fight for change. It's also like or it's not

707
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: just the fight, you know, like change can also look

708
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: like holding each other and um being vulnerable, like allowing

709
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: someone to like see you when you don't know what

710
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: you're doing and you feel like you just made a mess,

711
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: and like giving space to each other to take a

712
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: nap and taking care of someone's kids or you know,

713
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: things like this, like this is all part of what's

714
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: going to carry us through. Wow. Wow, wow for anybody

715
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: that was just listening to this and felt I did

716
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: feel that spark of hope, but also perhaps felt a

717
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: little weighted down because I think you know, the thing

718
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: that that everyone made it through was like, oh that

719
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: year is over. Uh so now things are going to

720
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: be you know, lighter or different. Um, would you say

721
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: that the challenges this year we will feel more equipped

722
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: for or do you think that this will be another

723
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: year of kind of some of that um cocooning or

724
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: maybe emotional withdrawal and isolation. You know, I think that

725
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: one has a remarkably different energy than in a sense

726
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: that had a feeling for me in the astrology. Um,

727
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: that definitely I think was a feeling a lot of

728
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: people who experienced a really intense restriction and isolation and closure. Um,

729
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: it was a death year, and one um is it

730
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: is much more of an activating year, Like there's a

731
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: lot of energy in it that feels more excitable and

732
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: excited than did that said a word like easy or

733
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: something like that isn't what I would use to describe

734
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: what I feel coming through. And um, you know, the

735
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: changing of a calendar year, the Gregorian calendar, it's it's

736
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: definitely significant, but it doesn't mean that all that was

737
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: unearthed and the problems aren't just here with us in

738
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: one like. We we have to continue, um, you know,

739
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: with everything that that we've already been doing, and it

740
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: will take a different form, you know. I think there's

741
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: I really do feel like there's a remarkably different energy

742
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: this year. Um. But I don't I don't get the

743
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: feeling that it's um like just a relaxed chill walk

744
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: in the park or something like that. Yeah. Actually, and

745
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: I feel that too. I feel that, you know, was

746
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: the year of illumination on a global scale, of all

747
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: of the secrets and the darker parts and the crevices

748
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: that many of us knew about but also many didn't,

749
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: especially globally. And I think it was the year that

750
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: we were meant to meet ourselves more deeply. We were

751
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: meant to really start figuring out our deeper desires and

752
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: our needs and who are we without these titles or

753
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: without these roles or friendships or events or you know,

754
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: and to cultivate tools. And it feels like it's like, hey,

755
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: life is still happening, Earth is still wild, um, but

756
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: now you not only have the tools but you know

757
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: how to use them. You've practiced using them, so none

758
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: of this will be a shock anymore. None of this

759
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: will feel as disconnected from self. You know, like we

760
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: get to actually walk into the world with confidence of

761
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: use of our tools. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, I love that.

762
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: Still use that, but we feel a little more equipped

763
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: to use them. Yeah. Yeah. When you were saying that,

764
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: I was thinking about how I think astrology matches with this,

765
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: and and definitely the sentiment that I had a lot

766
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: was that there was the you know, there was like

767
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: a lot there was so much loss and this feeling

768
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: of like things can't things aren't going to be the

769
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: same anymore, Like the people were saying that all the time.

770
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, oh, things are going to be

771
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: the same, and like this really dramatic departure from the

772
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: status quo that the pandemic brought, you know, that we

773
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: really like are in a profound moment of change. And

774
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: what one feels like to me is that we've now

775
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: gotten through the malaise, uh and the inertia of that

776
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: first phase of change that has to do with unpredictability

777
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: and not knowing what's happening and feeling like things are

778
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: being taken away and something is ending, and now there's

779
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: this sense of Okay, things have changed, they're continuing to change,

780
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: so how can I push for the kind of change

781
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: that I want? There's like more there's more conviction, there's

782
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: more fearlessness, and there's also more of an attitude of like, well,

783
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: I gotta give it all i've got, you know, because

784
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: this is the chance to do it and there's not

785
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: really much else to do other than that. Yeah. Yeah,

786
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: it's so true. And you know, I'm a believer in

787
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: the opportunity and everything. So I personally feel like and

788
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the listeners of the show

789
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: can kind of feel the same way too. It's just like, Okay,

790
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: taught me how to surrender fully to uncertainty or for

791
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: some glimpse the understanding of uncertainty, um and find some

792
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: peace with it. And then this is the year that

793
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, I get to now has drived this new

794
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: normal with a little more confidence. You know, the work

795
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: isn't done, It's never done, but I do think that

796
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: there's going to be ease to our process, or at

797
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: least some creativity in our process this go around. Yeah, absolutely,

798
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: I would definitely agree with that and what you said

799
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: about surrender, UM, I think that's you know, when you're

800
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: talking about tools, you know, the tools that people have

801
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: that maybe they've been able to practice now and can

802
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: employ with more ease as we move forward. Surrender feels

803
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: like one of those tools to me, you know, of like, Okay,

804
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: here we are. We don't know what's next, what's in

805
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: the past is now gone, but like here we are

806
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: this and make the most out of it. Oh, I

807
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: love that, Renee. Before we head out of here, at

808
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: the end of every show, we give everyone listening a

809
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: little bit of soul work. Do you have some soul

810
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: work that our audience can take away with them this week,

811
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: something that they maybe they can practice or do or

812
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: try or taste or glimpse until our next episode. Yeah,

813
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: I do, absolutely. I'm so UM excited for this and

814
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: I loved UM learning that you did this in your podcast. UM.

815
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: What one thing that I wanted to offer that I've

816
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: been working with myself UM on a lot in the

817
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: last couple of months is UM. It's a practice for

818
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: for circulation of vitality, of love, of awareness, and astrologically

819
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: in UM, Like I said, one of the main influences

820
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: has to do with Aquarius, with this aquarian energy, and

821
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: I studied medical astrology and the astrology of the boy d,

822
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: and in that um system, Aquarius rules circulation and the

823
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: circulation of of our blood and of oxygen as well

824
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: as life force UM the nervous system, consciousness from our

825
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: spine and our central body and our heart out into

826
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: all of our tissues, into the periphery of our body,

827
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: and into the energy that we exude in the world. UM.

828
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: So the homework that I would offer the practice UM

829
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: would be a pretty simple embodiment invitation, which is to

830
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: imagine and try and bring awareness into your literal heart,

831
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: into the organ of your heart. And I find that

832
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: touch can really help me, and so to feel your heart,

833
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: it can be helpful to gently tap with your fingertips

834
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: over your stern um and your chest, or it can

835
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: be helpful to place your palms over your chest or

836
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: around the sides of your upper ribs um. Your heart

837
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: is held between your two lungs um and it's also

838
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: supported underneath by your diaphragm, and it's directly in front

839
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: of your spine. So any any assistance that can give

840
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: to think about the location of your heart, to feel

841
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: your breath, to feel your spine, um, to touch your body,

842
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: and to come into some kind of imagination would be

843
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: one way or a couple of ways to UH start

844
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: to feel your heart. And then the meditation is to

845
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: really UM arrive with presence in your heart and to

846
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: invite your heart's energy to start to expand and your

847
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: heart's energy on a physiological level, UM is your life energy.

848
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: You know. It is your heartbeat, your pulse. Your heart

849
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: moves oxygen um which all of yourselves need into your

850
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: entire body. And so you can think about this with

851
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: your breath like as you inhale UM, you might breathe

852
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: directly in to your heart and really feel its strength,

853
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: and as you exhale, you could imagine the energy of

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Speaker 1: your heart UM emanating and traveling all the way out

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Speaker 1: into every single part of your body. If it feels

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Speaker 1: in and then strengthening as you exhale, either way is fine,

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Speaker 1: and that would be the invitation is to spend time

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Speaker 1: if you have it, UM and really tune into your

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Speaker 1: heart and feel your heart, ask your heart to talk

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Speaker 1: to you, you know, like there's so much wisdom in

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Speaker 1: our hearts um in in their actual organs, but also

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Speaker 1: in the energy that surrounds them and the ways that

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Speaker 1: we feel love and care and connection um in our

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Speaker 1: tune in, to breathe, to listen, and then to invite

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Speaker 1: it to expand into your whole body and maybe even

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Speaker 1: out into the space around you. Mm hmm. That felts

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Speaker 1: so good. I was I was following your directions as

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Speaker 1: you were talking. I'm so blessed out, Renee. I am

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Speaker 1: so grateful um for who you are in the world,

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Speaker 1: in this beautiful work that you do, and everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: amongst so many other things. I am so grateful. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for coming on today and breaking all

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