WEBVTT - 104: Tiger King XXL 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:08.200 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:14.040 two am, Last Call in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, and 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:33.200 you're listening tonight call. Hello, and welcome back to Night Call, 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.080 a call in show for your just top in reality. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.600 I'm Molly Lambert and with me as always are Emily 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:46.840 Ushida and Test Lynch. Hi, guys, Hey, guys, how's it going? 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.680 Test is fully embraced the like end of Twin Peaks, 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:01.600 Bob and Cooper laughing and I have lost it. I mean, 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.000 tell us where you're recording from today? All right, I'm 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.040 gonna tell you well. First of all, um, if you 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.679 heard our last episode, our most recent episode, I would 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.319 like to apologize. There were technical issues and those were 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.480 the fault of I want to say, not really me, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:23.360 but the infrastructure of my home situation. Like it's nothing 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.480 really that I could do. Um, but I was in 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:31.039 my garage. What Yeah, it's spectrum. Definitely spectrum fault. Oh 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.959 my god. People are happy to blame spectrum. Let's blame 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.400 spectrum right now. So I had to think of something else, 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.120 and I realized I always saw like my house was 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.200 like the perfect size, But in the past week I've 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.720 realized it is not the perfect size at all. So 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.640 long story short him in my closet, which is, as 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.800 I pointed out, not a walk in closet, like I 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.800 can fit myself kind of, but I'm all smushed into 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:01.680 a little ball um and it's it's a perfect perfect 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:06.120 for you. Well, it's perfect for me. It's perfect for sound. Yeah, 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.000 it's great for a sound. And over the hangout we're 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:10.920 getting the video of view of it, and it really 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.000 looks like you're just taking shelter in place, like seriously, 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:18.400 like I'm sheltering in place. I'm safer at home. You 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.440 were wearing the hat that we brought you from the 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:26.160 Area fifty one and Nuclear Testing Museum. I was where 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.679 and had a bunch of dioramas of bunker's. Yeah, this 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.680 is my bunker. No, it's horribly uncomfortable, but at least 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.640 I can see and hear you guys, which is nice. 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.919 On Wednesday, after we recorded, I had a good long 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.720 sit with my feelings of just it's I'm finding it 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.760 very difficult to use my brain as like an adult 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.359 woman and also as a mom and have no wall 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.200 at all, Like, no, there's no separate zone for those 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.480 things and it's making me feel like I'm losing my 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:01.079 mind and I hate it. Least now you have your 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:06.280 she shed, Yes, she should. You're very cozy. She should. 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.440 I think that a lot of people are in a 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.320 similar boat as you right now, that like there is 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.920 social distancing, but then there's getting extremely close with the 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.160 people who happened to be in the home with you. Yeah, 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.960 and it's like it's great to an extent. I love 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.640 being able to spend a lot of time with my family, 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.799 and you know, I'm kind of unschooling after having failed 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.880 at home schooling. I'm like, no, funk this. We're just 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.320 going to hang out and do stuff, which is great. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.800 But then when it comes time to like be a 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.960 normal individual human, You're like, no, I'm just I'm part 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.640 of this like living organism of the family unit, and 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.360 then you feel like you're losing your brain. I've been 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.960 doing a lot of Betty Draper jokes. Yes, it's definitely 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.600 got that energy. It does feel like no matter how 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.240 big the space or small the space you live in 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:02.320 is it's like there's something about by yourself versus being 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.560 with other people where it's just very different and we're 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:10.160 all in different situations right now. But there's upsides and 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:17.480 downsides to both one many pros and cons to every situation. Yes, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.480 I just keep thinking, like, if I were by myself, 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.680 how many days would I like, what would I enjoy 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.719 like three days in a row? Would I make it 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.039 four days without being without losing it? Because like with 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:35.040 my family, I made it really a solid like six 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:39.960 days before I thought, oh, oh maybe we're going to fight, 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.640 and we have. But anyway, it's good to see you 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:49.120 guys from my shed. Hello. Hello, We yeah, we wanted 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.400 to just sort of check it in general and the 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.080 opening of the show and and and talk about our 0:04:55.160 --> 0:05:03.159 different quarantine slash self isolation. Um. I guess experiences also 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.320 like I feel like new little hiccups or or like, 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:07.960 oh I didn't realize this is going to be a 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.760 thing about it comes up every day. I've learned so 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:15.240 much from Doomsday Preppers, which is funny because they keep 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.320 saying things on the show to be like, don't worry, 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.400 this won't happen, but then a lot of the things 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.800 they refer to already are happening now. The shows from 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.560 a few years ago, there's one guy who's like, well, 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.680 if something bad happened everywhere at once. They wouldn't be 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.960 able to send FEMA everywhere and every man would just 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:38.880 be for himself. I was like, huh, interesting again, like 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.880 it's like there's a little too excited about that prospect, 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:44.680 and now they're very excited about it. But it also 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.000 made me realize that, um there their main reason for 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.200 having a lot of kids, so you can form them 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.960 into a militia. You got to get a kid army 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.279 going on. What could go wrong? I can't believe if 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.440 they can show it on the show. They just show 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.360 all these like parents teaching their you know, ten year 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.440 olds to shoot a gun, and I'm just like, wow, 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.400 you can show this on television. I guess have you 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.839 checked in with any of the preppers from the show 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.080 to see if they're like weighing in on this pandemic 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.560 because years ago, Yeah, you got to look them up. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.320 There was one episode that was two Jewish Preppers and 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.359 that was a very good one that I would like 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.680 to know more about what the the Zionist Jewish preppers 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.839 who said the exodus was a bugout are are doing. Now. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.880 Where did they live? They lived in the South, but 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.320 there are preppers everywhere. There was an episode that took 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.680 place in New York called Escape from New York. That 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.680 was to like a young guy, an old guy, and 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.640 a woman. And the woman was the most interesting because 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.760 she had actually lived through Hurricane Katrina in her car. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.480 So I was like, this person is not a prepper, 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.760 They're just practical and have PTSD. Like Hurricane Sandy just 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.880 made her be like, well, if something like Katrina happened 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:01.880 in New York, like what the funk would I do? 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:06.000 I need to have a plan. Uh. And then the 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.880 episode is her like fourteen mile trek out of New 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.960 York and the things that could go wrong Sure makes 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.960 you think, guys, going on a road trip right now 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:22.320 seems stressful, Yes, but but a road trip in a movie. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.080 Because today we're going to talk about Don't worry, it 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.080 won't be all pandemic talk. Today. We're also going to 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:32.880 talk about Netflix's Tiger King docuseries and the movie Magic 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:39.040 Mike XXL. It could be argued is just a different 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:45.160 kind of pandemic and the other is a soothing bomb. Uh. Well, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.480 but I wanted to talk to you guys today about 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.160 something that I was tweeting about last night because I 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.760 think it really it's continued to be something I've noticed 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:58.520 on social media, UM, yes, particularly on Twitter, which is 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:04.920 the the the quarantine shame tweet, um yes, which I 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.440 saw your tweets about this. I'm so glad we're talking 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:12.040 about this. Yeah. So um. Obviously, I think all three 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.800 of us here and I think most of our listeners 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.200 are smart enough to know to take all of this 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.880 stuff seriously. If you have a shelter in place order, 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.840 and even if you don't, just trying to minimize your 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.560 time outside, um, you know, making sure to clean your 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:31.320 hands and disinfect stuff that's coming in from outside. Um. 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.480 But there are seemed to be there are a lot 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.480 of specifics in that that I think have not been 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:43.040 really gone over by any kind of greater authority, state 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.360 or federal because our country is a disaster right now, um, 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.600 and so a lot of people have just kind of 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.480 been filling in the blanks outside of like the very 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.640 murky term social distancing, like what does that actually mean 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.200 in practice? What do you do should you have to 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.800 go out into the world and get groceries or something, 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.120 And the kinds of reactions that I see and like 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:11.280 here on podcasts and stuff about um, how people are 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.439 just living their lives. Day today is really striking because 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.200 it's just like there's no there isn't a rule book, 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.319 and I feel like and and I'm not saying like 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.760 therefore it's totally okay that somebody went out on a 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.319 hike with fifteen people, Like I'm guessing that's not great. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.360 But you know when people are yelling at people on 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.240 Twitter for going out on a walk or something so 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:39.400 low um or not assuming that they are taking the 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.440 proper precautions to keep a distance from other people out there. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.000 I don't know. It's just been interesting to watch because 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.199 it's like everybody's making up their own rules for this, 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.439 and if you don't follow another person's rules, then you're 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.000 going to hear about it. I don't know, Yeah, I 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.680 mean I think it's it's interesting because like, so I 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.480 have a dog, and obviously if you have a dog, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.320 you have to walk the dog. In our neighborhood, there 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.120 are a lot of people with dogs and with kids, 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:10.280 and so like, sometimes people will congregate on someone's lawn 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.559 and literally our neighbors have a measuring tape and if 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.840 someone gets too close, they'll whip out the measuring tape 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.520 and make sure everyone stays six ft apart. So I 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.800 was chatting with my neighbors were all pretty I mean 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.680 I was like across the street, we're all really spread out. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.800 And someone drove by and was like bad idea. And 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.760 then I was like is it? But we're I'm standing 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.720 super far away. There were like six people and I 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.280 was just you know, walking my dog. But all of 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:41.439 a sudden, I realized, like people are interpreting the rules 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.360 so differently. If you have to go to the grocery store, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.600 you know, I mean, Emily, I think you mentioned like 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.520 um on Twitter that the Insta cart workers are going 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.599 to strike or gonna is that what it was? Yeah? 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.719 And it's like great because they're being exploited, Like I 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.080 I don't you just have but you have to get groceries, 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:00.480 like what are you gonna do? You? And there are 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.560 all of these different ways to figure out how to, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.440 you know, get a restaurant that is closed and turned 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.040 into kind of an ad hoc market and you can 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.920 do contact list pickup. But then I started thinking of 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.480 all my neighbors who were like maybe in their eighties 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.320 and aren't on Facebook, like looking at the list of 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.480 all the neighborhood places that do it and they're going 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.679 they're wearing gloves, they're going to you know, the supermarket, 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.240 UM as quickly as they can, staying out of people's way. 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.160 But is that wrong? You know? I mean it's just 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.560 nobody knows somebody I just don't think like I in 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:37.040 my mind. And again not a public health official, our 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.040 our our public health scientists who was on the podcast 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:41.840 can maybe call in and weigh in on this. But 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:46.240 like if I think about, like when I did my one, one, 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.760 first and last instant card order UM that I felt 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:54.120 really bad about. UM when that kid came to my door. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.000 First of all, he came to my door and was 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.800 like holding the bags there. I had to take the 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.280 bags out of his hands. He was definitely less than 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.560 six ft away from me. And this kid has been 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.360 shopping for people all day and been out at the 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.240 store all day picking up And it's just like I 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.120 would rather just go myself, take all the precautions that 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.400 I take every time I go out and outside, which 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.640 is at least gloves on, UM, always have a little 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.000 spray hand sanitizer and a mask. If I think I'm 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:24.800 if there's a high likelihood that I'm going to be 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.000 close to people, um, and I do that every every 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.880 time I go out, and I would rather do that 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:36.800 one trip, taking all those precautions, coming home, cleaning all 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.640 my clothes and everything. Um. Then like put somebody else 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.240 in this position where they're basically being like I'm sending 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.000 somebody out into like toxic sludge to do my dirty 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.360 work for me. I hate it. It's problem is it's 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.840 all like company by company, and as we've seen, just 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.720 a lot of these companies are like fuck it, like 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.680 we're not going to change anything. So Trader Joe's also 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:06.040 its workers are trying to unionize because they're not getting 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:07.800 I mean, for they were already trying to unionize, but 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.199 they're not getting hazard pay, they're not getting provided gloves. 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.439 So the people that are working, like on the front 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.760 lines of this, who are grocery store workers, are not 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:22.560 being protected, which means they can't protect other people. And 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.040 the instacart thing is especially insane because we're also in 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.680 this time where everybody is getting laid off and losing 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.760 their job and the only job you can get right 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.400 now is to be like an Amazon surf who brings 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.199 rich people their food. But again, I think you're right. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.240 I do feel like It's like me leaving the house 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.680 once every couple of weeks to get groceries feels like 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.720 a more manageable risk than just getting them from somebody 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.320 who's been shopping all day in proximity with a bunch 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:58.679 of other vulnerable, desperate people that need money. And I 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.840 so I think if you go so when we go 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.880 to the when I go to the grocery store, either 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:06.959 me or my husband goes in. I think we've had 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.520 to go three times, um since the you know, schools closed, 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.800 so in the past, like maybe maybe twice um, but 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.679 one of us goes in. We're like fully suited up. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.720 If you are very if you're super cautious, and you're 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.880 doing it only if you really need food, then it 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.880 just seems so much more logical. Also, when you have 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.160 someone go with instacart, you have to be in constant 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.880 contact with them because so much of the food isn't available, 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.400 and then you're asking someone to make choices for you 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.960 that like it's time consuming for them, it heightens their risk. Um. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.479 There's also the question of getting take out from restaurants, 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.280 which I feel like is necessary for sanity every so 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.960 often and also makes you helps you be able to 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.960 support businesses in your neighborhood that are like small businesses 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.680 that are really suffering. But then somebody was going on 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.760 about the like you know, along it lives on cardboard, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.680 and despite a lot of people saying reassuring things like 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.760 you know, just use common sense, take it out of 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.520 the container it came in, nuke it if you can 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.120 heat it above a hundred and seventy degrees, like it's fine, 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.760 people are still so nervous about that too. Even occasionally. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.360 I think also that I'd read like an actually sort 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:23.040 of comforting article from somebody about the half life stuff 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.880 that made it had some actual information about the post 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.560 article that you linked to. Yeah, it's it's about how 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.280 long how it does live less long on actual food 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:38.080 than on surfaces, and so the half life of it is, 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.200 don't quote me. I think it's in the article something 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.680 like five and a half hours. So if you do, 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.720 like get your your groceries that are fruits and vegetables 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.600 at least and leave them out on the counter for 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:54.560 a few days, it will actually not be on it anymore, allegedly, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.280 And also the fridge speeds up the process and cooking. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.080 I don't know if it kills it necessarily. But it 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.360 seems like most people are saying it is okay to 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.960 get take out, that you need to just reheat it yourself. Yeah, 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.880 but you know I wouldn't. Maybe I don't know. I 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.160 think nobody knows. I think that's the thing. But it's 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.360 also like there are some risks you have to take 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:20.040 that are like risks in order to be alive right now. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:25.240 And I think people are just assuming that people are 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.160 doing the stupidest thing, because the stuff that goes around 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.480 and goes viral is people doing the stupidest thing. But 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.000 like you know, as I have said multiple times on 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.320 this podcast, I am moving in the middle of all 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.480 of this, and I do have to go out into 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.760 the world and get stuff more than I would have 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.960 to if I was just if I wasn't doing all this. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.560 So I've I've had to, you know, I've I've very 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.560 carefully weighed, like what stuff I want to do delivery 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.120 versus what stuff I just need to go out into 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.920 the world and get, um picking up stuff on Craigslist, 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.520 which might sound insane, but it's like I go out 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.960 with like a Lisol sprague, like great people with a 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.400 Lisol spray, like us psycho. But the virus, the virus 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:11.720 is not airborne. You have to be relatively close to 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:16.560 somebody to get it, you know, in person. And I 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.760 have these our staging area now in my living room 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.680 where everything that I bring in sits for like two 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.720 full days, and people trade air out or whatever. But 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.000 you know, it's also oh, sorry, you go ahead. Only 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.400 I'm just gonna say people are super afraid, and they're 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:35.080 super online because they're at home all the time. So 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:39.280 there's also a lot of panic and anxious energy that 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.879 people are putting into Twitter and message boards or whatever 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:48.000 more than ever because nobody knows. And it's also I mean, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.720 there was so much misinformation, or it wasn't really even misinformation, 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:56.959 but just the most um kind of scary interpretation of 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.760 how this was transmitted was circulating a out a week ago. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.440 And at some point I read something that clearly wasn't 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.000 true about it being able to live in suspended in 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.760 air for like four hours. And I had just gotten 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.439 back from walking around the block, which I now do 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.320 less and less, because you know, I mean, I walk 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.520 my dog just as much as I need to walk 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.120 my dog, but then I come right in. But at 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.560 that point I had just walked my kids. She was 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.399 like in a little push car, and we went on 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.200 a mile and a half long just stroll, staying far 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.560 away from people. And then I got home and read 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.880 that and was like, you know, so terrified. And now 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.359 it's been pretty much debunked. Not that I'm going to 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.879 take another long walk, but it's like the waves of 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.440 horrible panic. I don't think there's a reason for you 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.199 not to take a long walk if you're not in 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.680 contact with anybody. Well, there's also that I don't want 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:51.360 to like do anything that even could possibly increase anyone's risk, 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.920 But I I don't think I can go two months 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.800 without taking a long walk. Also, we are in Los Angeles, which, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.760 as we've said, like the marriage of your marriage story 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.600 says there's a lot of space, So I think also 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.160 the directives it's become like a state's rights issue where 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.959 some people are putting a super intense clamp down and 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.159 other places aren't at all. But also even in l A, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.400 where they did put out a shelter at home order, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.280 people still were like I can go to a hike 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.680 in a group of people and we'll all just stay 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.320 far apart. But like Obviously that doesn't work in practice 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.160 at big hiking places like running in so they did 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.639 shut it down. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think also 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.560 the thing that I've tried to remember is that a 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.359 lot of the people that I follow on social media 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.160 are living in New York, and well, I think it's 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.640 very different. Walk in New York has different implications that 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.280 for a walk in Los Angeles. And so this is 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.399 more to our New York listeners, just like understand that 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.119 not everybody lives, you know, in a place that dense. 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.840 Darcy Darcy Wilder, friend of the pod, also did something 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.400 amazing because she was feeling very cooped up. She lives 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.639 in Manhattan, uh, and she was like, should I go 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.520 for a walk, and everybody on Twitter was like yeah. 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.720 She was like should I go to Times Square and 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.440 they were like sure. And then she went to Times 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.560 Square and she put up the link to Earthcam to 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.360 the Times Square feed that I keep talking about where 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.640 you can see people in Times Square, and you could 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.680 see her being the only person in Times Square like 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.840 Vanilla Sky. Um, she was totally suited up. She was 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:33.960 like not near anyone. Um, it was really cool and weird. 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.399 I was like, the most fun I had in a week. 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.560 You know, I was like, that's my friend. She's outside. 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:42.560 I can see her. I was like waving at the 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:47.199 screen even though she couldn't see me. But you know, 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.040 I think, yeah, if you are being smart about it. 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.160 The problem is like if everyone thinks they're being smart 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.600 about it and they actually aren't, or people who are 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:57.639 just being dumb about it, like the spring break kids 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:01.560 who were just like yollo, yeah. I mean, like I went. 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.359 I had the idea one day, like I had to 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:08.320 go pick up lunch from somewhere and and then I 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.120 was like, oh, it's nice out, I'm gonna go sit 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.920 in Griffith Park and eat this. And then I got 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.199 up to like Ferndell and there was just a line 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.560 of cars going down this filas and I've never seen 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:23.840 it like that, like not even on a regular weekend. 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.720 And then I was like, okay, I'm not going, like 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.640 why be in that line, Like you're going into something 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.199 that obviously there's going to be a high density, Like 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.240 that's the stuff where I'm just like, okay, just use 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:38.000 common sense. But yeah, I also think though that sometimes this. 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:39.960 I have a friend who was trying to go to 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.520 the beach and she was like, figuring nobody would be 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.600 at the beach. This was a week ago, and she 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.320 was driving to the beach and she was looking out 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.719 her window and she was like, everyone had the same idea. 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.800 She thought it would be the opposite that she would 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:54.679 be like the only person who wanted to do that. 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.320 But they ended up having to drive really far north. 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.760 I guess um like past where they normally went to 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.640 find in the place it wasn't densely populated. So it's 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.680 also one of those things where you're trying to guess 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.199 how cautious people are gonna be. Our friend, one of 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.119 my friend went to the beach um and then they 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.680 shut them down the next day because I think they 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.040 realized that most people were going. They probably should have 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.760 shut them down in the first place. But there are 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.399 places like Florida where like individual cities still aren't shutting 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:24.760 them down necessarily. So I mean it's scary too, because 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.040 then the way stuff like that is enforced is scary 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.640 and militarized. Just the idea of like we literally can't 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.280 be out in the streets right now, because there's also 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:34.040 a lot of other bad stuff going on in the 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:38.440