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Speaker 1: What's still meatball? My continues to be ron Uh. How

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Speaker 1: we doing, everybody? I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 1: a podcast about Ronathan DeSantis with me again, Cody Johnston,

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Speaker 1: Katie Stole. How do you guys think your lives would

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Speaker 1: be different if your last names were reversed?

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Speaker 2: Who Stole Katie?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, if you if you were Katie Johnston and

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Speaker 1: you were Cody Stole.

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Speaker 4: Oh, in a way, I feel like you'd be called

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Speaker 4: Cody Stoley a lot.

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Speaker 1: Cody Stole probably, Yeah, that would have been your college nickname,

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Speaker 1: like because of because of the vodka. Like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: had asked Cody Stolely, why well why was that?

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Speaker 2: Why was that not Katie Stoley's nickname?

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Speaker 1: Because that would not be appropriate?

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Speaker 2: What does Katie Stoley doesn't sound right to me?

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Speaker 4: People called me Stolely just Stolely in college because that

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Speaker 4: would be like a cool Yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I think would be a nice nickname.

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Speaker 2: Katy J.

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Speaker 4: Katie J is Yeah, I'd go by that. I think

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Speaker 4: I'd be a very different person if I'd grown up

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Speaker 4: with that as my nickname.

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Speaker 2: Katie J.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think if I had a saw

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Speaker 3: that Cody stole too.

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be different too, Yeah, totally different. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you would be working for the Daily Wire right now,

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Speaker 1: Before we get into Ron DeSantis, I've I've just found

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Speaker 1: a list of gen Z slang terms. Uh and in

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Speaker 1: order to uh to boost our appeal with the youth demographic,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna key you in on some of these.

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Speaker 1: On some of these slang words, Google's AI has coreliated

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Speaker 1: them from a mix of Mommy, Daddy dot com, uh,

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Speaker 1: mental floss and parades. So you know, this is the

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Speaker 1: best information on gen Z well researched.

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Speaker 3: Wait is this an article or is this like a

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Speaker 3: Google search? It appears to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just like the Google search result for

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Speaker 1: Z slang list. Because I was trying to just stay cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's become great, falling, falling apart. So number

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Speaker 1: three on the list is s I C slash s

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Speaker 1: I c K. Just these are the two spellings of

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Speaker 1: sick that gen Z kids do. It means next level cool,

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Speaker 1: so not just normal cool. That's good obviously. Salty means

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Speaker 1: bitter or angry, lyddy again exciting or wild once more.

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Speaker 4: Lyddy is it's something I've heard it that is seeped

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Speaker 4: its way into I just.

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Speaker 1: I know that's what made me.

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Speaker 4: I used it this morning to describe myself last night.

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Speaker 5: Does that mean does that mean I'm hashtag cool?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, truly Sophie or your coolness.

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Speaker 2: Those these words are no longer cool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm personally pissed at this because dope is number two

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Speaker 1: and like, that's not a gen Z term. That's that's

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Speaker 1: that's well well before gen zve been.

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Speaker 4: Saying it for a long time, people saw me had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's like an ex millennial they have.

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Speaker 2: There's got to be something good.

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Speaker 1: Uh, they got Gucci. I do feel like that's solidly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they've got You've got your word riz.

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Speaker 1: They do have the word riz that is not on

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Speaker 1: this list.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, it's like, is there anything on

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Speaker 1: No, Like everything that AI puts together it's a piece

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Speaker 3: They don't even have a rizz. That's so weird.

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Speaker 1: They don't have no cap, they don't have any of

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Speaker 1: the charisma based isn't on here.

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Speaker 5: Riz is gen Z shortening charisma like yeah, you have swag,

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Speaker 5: you have ri.

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Speaker 3: It's more like in the context of like flirting, but

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Speaker 1: This has been gen Z corner where.

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Speaker 2: We uh ah olves.

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Speaker 1: Our credentials with the with the young'insu with the with

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Speaker 2: We might it works, we might listen back to this single.

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Speaker 5: Wow, we should cut this on account of we sound

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Speaker 5: so old, all right.

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Speaker 1: I mean people have been complaining a lot about gen

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Speaker 1: watching movies weird. I just rewatched the original Bad News

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Speaker 1: Bears with Walter Mathow, and I think the solution is

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Speaker 1: we got to get cigarettes back in kids' hands. Like

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Speaker 1: We gotta get them smoking.

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Speaker 3: Uh shortcut. We just put them back in the mines.

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Speaker 1: Put them back in the mines just to go for

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Speaker 1: the lungs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we get some work.

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Speaker 2: Done to fuck up their lungs.

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Speaker 4: It's not to make them look cool or make them

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cheap labor. But if we if we want to

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Speaker 1: Fine, excellent. So uh we are back, and uh.

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Speaker 3: We are on top of spaghetti, all covered in cheese,

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Speaker 3: all covered.

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Speaker 1: In a meat ball, a meatball made of Ron. So, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Find my handsome, handsome meatball that's.

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Speaker 3: Often described as handsome me. I have not.

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Speaker 4: Stopped thinking about that, to be honest, I mean I have,

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Speaker 4: but it's been several days since last we met. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: discussed mister Ronald and yeah, Nathan, apologies, I just can't

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Speaker 1: Ron was thirty three years old when he went on

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Speaker 1: going to be a general election competition. He wins the primary,

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Speaker 1: the seat is his, and luckily for Ron, his competition

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Speaker 1: but it's it's still like the big name in Republican

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Speaker 1: He patterned himself specifically off of Ted Cruz. That was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh huh yeah, equally likable man.

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Speaker 2: That's reflexing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so funny that he's all I see when thinking

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Speaker 3: he starts attacking Obama's record. He runs primarily on dismantling

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Speaker 3: all that good Republican jazz. It was not do any

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Speaker 3: of that, I mean not really. No, it was not

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Speaker 3: that he really embraces is Paul Ryan, Right, So like

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Speaker 3: he's trying to do that, he really does. It's so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he perfect.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny, especially like obviously you know, hindsight and

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Speaker 3: all that, but to model yourself after after Ted Cruz

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Speaker 3: in an election, this is very funny. That's not going

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Speaker 3: to happen, my man, You pick the two wrong guys.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah, he really did like pick the exactly

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Speaker 1: and in fact, well in the second Okay, Dreams of

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Speaker 2: Well that's why he genuinely scared at the beginning of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the communist communist Harvard Law. In his first term,

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Speaker 1: He tried to stop Hurricane Sandy aid. He voted to

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Speaker 1: about what.

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Speaker 2: A sorry you dare?

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Speaker 3: It was just a reference to weather and meatballs. Clouding

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Speaker 1: Moanent so good stuff. The Heritage Foundation gives him one

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Speaker 1: This is kind of show some political foresight, right He sees,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a quote from Politico that really makes that point.

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Speaker 3: He did not.

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Speaker 1: Fellow Republicans noted him as a loaner who only got

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Speaker 1: from the Heritage Foundation, locking in donations, locking and support,

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Speaker 1: locking in things you can brag about in a campaign

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Speaker 1: to the worst, most active chunks of the Republican base.

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Speaker 1: So he's going to put those headphones on because he

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Speaker 1: knows he's going to be hurting people and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to be confronted with their existence. Like he wants

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Speaker 1: to be able to ignore everyone around him because he

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Speaker 1: is just here to push some buttons, you know.

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Speaker 3: He has like having a private office in your ears, yes,

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Speaker 3: which yes, eventually get yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's like that. So yeah.

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Speaker 1: For his part, DeSantis leans into his growing reputation as

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Speaker 1: like the fucking kind of a psycho. From a write

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Speaker 1: up in Politico. Quote, look, Desanta said, I was not

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Speaker 1: in Congress to necessarily socialized. He slept in his office.

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Speaker 1: He liked being at home more than he wanted to

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Speaker 1: be in DC. So that's that's uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, wait, he slept in his office.

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Speaker 1: He sleeps in his office. He doesn't talk to people,

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Speaker 1: he sleeps in his office. He's just there to like

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Speaker 1: cast the votes that get him marked down as like

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Speaker 1: good bye the NRA, good by the Heritage Foundation, and

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Speaker 1: then it's a way he has no interest in doing

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Speaker 1: this job. Right. Cool. In twenty fifteen, right as the

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Speaker 1: first stirrings of trump Ism started to ooze into what

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Speaker 1: had been a deceptively placid political media environment, Ron dealt

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Speaker 1: with the first tragedy of his life. His sister, who

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Speaker 1: was just thirty years old, died of a pulmonary embolism.

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Speaker 1: When interviewed by Pierce Morgan, Ron later claimed, you start

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Speaker 1: to question things that are unjust, and you just have

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Speaker 1: to take faith that there's a plan in place, trust

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Speaker 1: in God, there's no guarantee that you're going to have

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Speaker 1: a life without challenges and without heartbreak, and that's just

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Speaker 1: a function of being human. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: Is that him being I guess that's.

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Speaker 1: A weird thing to say about Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's a weird like way to talk about it, and

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Speaker 3: like lesson to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a normal person would say something like yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's devastating, like I'll miss her forever, you know, something

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Speaker 1: something like that, like you say about a dead person.

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Speaker 1: Not be like right, he's like this republican argument, Well,

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Speaker 1: everybody deals with shit like.

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Speaker 3: Rights sort of like take that tragedy and turn into like,

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Speaker 3: well you got to pull yourself up by your bootstress

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Speaker 3: to work hard, an't there.

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Speaker 4: Well he's also taking it into some sort of as

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Speaker 4: an opportunity to paint him self as a masculine, tough

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Speaker 4: type at someone who can handle anything that you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure he's hoping to come across as a strong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, stuff happens, that's life, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, why are you complaining about your problems?

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Speaker 1: Look at me?

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Speaker 3: It's just that we all.

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Speaker 4: It also just reinforces Yeah, the bootstraps mentality, which the

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Speaker 4: idea that we all can.

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Speaker 2: Just buck up and everything's fine.

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Speaker 1: I think with his best quote best in Bodies is

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Speaker 1: that he is always relentlessly on point in this period

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Speaker 1: of his life. Right, this is the answer that you

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Speaker 1: give because it furthers your political reputation. Is the kind

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Speaker 1: of conservative who can get elected. Right, Like, every single

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Speaker 1: thing that you say in public, every word, every action

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Speaker 1: is based on building your future presidential campaign. Like that's

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Speaker 1: that's who he is.

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Speaker 3: If that's how you're thinking, that's exactly what. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: the move and that's what you do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. When the twenty sixteen election got well under way,

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Speaker 1: Ron was alindsighted by Donald Trump's rise to prominence as

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Speaker 1: anyone else. This is evident in the fact that he

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Speaker 1: kept his fucking mouth shut for much of the primaries,

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Speaker 1: and when he did speak out about the controversial GOP

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Speaker 1: front runner, it was mainly to dissociate himself from Trump.

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Speaker 1: He said in one interview that Trump's twenty twelve tweet

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Speaker 1: had not been an endorsement, and he made it clear

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Speaker 1: that he'd never met the man. So he actually this

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Speaker 1: big deal endorsement he gets as a first term congressman,

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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, that wasn't an endorsement that was just

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Speaker 1: a nice tweet about me. I've never met the guy,

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Speaker 1: don't know no opinions, And this is probably fair to

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Speaker 1: see as a limitation in his political instincts. Right, he

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Speaker 1: was not someone who right away he could saw Trump coming. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think this makes sense. Like he's a structure guy, right.

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Speaker 1: He plays well with the Republican Party, and he plays

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Speaker 1: well with the kind of engine of donors and think

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Speaker 1: tanks and whatnot that support that party and particularly it's

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Speaker 1: far right flank. But as soon as he encounters someone

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Speaker 1: who is running outside of that structure, threatening to upset

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Speaker 1: it and remake it, he freezes. Right, he's just not

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Speaker 1: ready to deal with this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just that weird, Like you you're courting this

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Speaker 3: aspect of the party in politics, but you don't really

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Speaker 3: necessarily realize the endgame or like where it's headed. And

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Speaker 3: then it happens and like, well, but I was, but

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Speaker 3: the machine is good. What's this guy trying to wreck

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Speaker 3: this machine? Yeah? I think it speaks also to like

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Speaker 3: the fact that he model himself sort of after Ted Cruz,

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Speaker 3: who also had a similar thing where it's like I

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Speaker 3: don't know what to do here right, you know his

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Speaker 3: wife's yeah.

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Speaker 4: They don't know to or to kiss him or to

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Speaker 4: cropy him or to yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then you get that sweaty phone call picture of

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Speaker 3: tatoo is just like begging.

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Speaker 1: For both so funny, and it is like, it is

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Speaker 1: kind of worth noting that from all the evidence we have,

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Speaker 1: it seems that Ron hated Trump on site, or at

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Speaker 1: least saw kind of making fun of him as a

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Speaker 1: profitable enterprise. One of his former staffers told Vanity Fair

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Speaker 1: Ron made more fun of Donald Trump than anyone I know,

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Speaker 1: and another added he thought Trump was fucking nuts. So again,

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Speaker 1: very much not on the Trump train initially, but when

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Speaker 1: Trump starts making this inexorable progress and remaking the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party in his own image, Ron is kind of focused

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Speaker 1: continuing his pace towards the White House. He's in his

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Speaker 1: second term by early twenty fifteen, and he's already made

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Speaker 1: a lot of connections among the Heritage Foundation think tank

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Speaker 1: set who determined where campaign funds are going to go.

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Speaker 1: So when Marco Rubio announces that he's going to run

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Speaker 1: for president and steps down from a yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to run for reelection for this Senate seat, a

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Speaker 1: representative for the Club for Growth calls Ron and is like, hey,

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubios definitely headed to the White House Senate seats.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote from Politico here. In May twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: less than a month after Rubio announced his presidential candidacy,

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Speaker 1: DeSantis announced his Senate bid. He had the post taste

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Speaker 1: backing of the same array of conservative groups Senate Conservatives, Fund,

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Speaker 1: Freedom Works, the Club for Growth, and a year after

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Speaker 1: he got called back to the breakers at a luncheon

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Speaker 1: of at the Republican Party headquarters in the Highlands County, Florida,

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Speaker 1: DeSantis spelled it out. I was the only US Senate

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Speaker 1: candidate that spoke at the Koch Brothers donor summit where

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Speaker 1: they have all their organizations that get involved in these races.

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Speaker 1: You have everyone from the Club for Growth on. So

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Speaker 1: we built a huge, huge network of supporters that will

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Speaker 1: be able to turn on the most important decision Ron

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Speaker 1: Desanta's made that led to his eventual election as governor.

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Speaker 1: A high profile national Republican consultant said was running for

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Speaker 1: Marco's seat in twenty sixteen. Desantas, he said, was able

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Speaker 1: to go network a group of billionaires that he otherwise

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Speaker 1: couldn't have done as a congressman. And this is he

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Speaker 1: doesn't get this seat, right because Rubio flames out and

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Speaker 1: returns to his seat, But because he had been willing

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Speaker 1: to play ball and run for this to keep it

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Speaker 1: in house and whatnot and made all these connections. That's

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Speaker 1: what political insiders will argue is what lets him become

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Speaker 1: the governor floors at least, what gives him a fighting chance, right,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: I would say that makes sense anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he shows himself as a team

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Speaker 1: player to these money guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, team player, tool for them, whatever you want

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Speaker 3: to call it. But he is.

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Speaker 1: Bragging about being a tool of the Koch brothers in

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Speaker 1: this period exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, I'll do whatever. I give you the money,

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Speaker 3: I'll do it. I'll do the thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll do it.

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Speaker 3: I'll do the thing. I said. A big beat.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's perfect.

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Speaker 3: So fake.

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Speaker 1: Let's replace our audio sting into and out of every

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Speaker 1: episode with that.

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Speaker 2: No, she's like noting it.

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Speaker 1: Here's a spicy god almighty, that's embarrassing, shameful. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: doing that. Just ah, we're back. What you guys favorite

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Speaker 1: favorite way to do an offensive Italian accent.

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Speaker 3: I don't because I'm I'm I'm partially Italian, so defense

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Speaker 3: very Italian.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's the one we've just

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Speaker 4: been doing.

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Speaker 2: It's Ama Mario.

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Speaker 1: I love what to do. The fraud No, I do.

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Speaker 3: Take baths in pesto sauce.

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Speaker 1: You do, you do, and I commit a lot of

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Speaker 1: insurance fraud. The perfect Italian, the perfect Italians. That is

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Speaker 1: how my family came to this country. Good times. So

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Speaker 1: if you're going to be influential in politics in this country,

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Speaker 1: you have basically two broad families of choice. One is

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Speaker 1: to work yourself up from within the system. You do

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Speaker 1: take bit roles in campaigns, you know, until you're able

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Speaker 1: to get enough support to run for office somewhere, probably

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Speaker 1: a local office. You win election, you start schmoozing with

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Speaker 1: big donors, building connections to financiers through the think tanks

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Speaker 1: that ask us they're grasping little hands. The other way

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Speaker 1: to get into politics in this country in a big

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Speaker 1: way is just pure populism. You force yourself into relevance

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Speaker 1: by building enough of a following that these same people

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Speaker 1: have to pretend they're not angry that you skipped in

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Speaker 1: line right, Trump is a line skipper. He's great at

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Speaker 1: line skipping. Ronnie d is not a line skipper. As

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Speaker 1: one of his friends, a former Florida Republican congressman, told Politico,

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Speaker 1: He's somebody who has his view of his strategy in politics,

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Speaker 1: do the right little conservative things. But behind that curtain

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Speaker 1: build a network of mega conservative donors, the Koch Brothers,

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Speaker 1: Sheldon Adelson. Ron, more than just about anybody I know

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Speaker 1: in politics, has built that network very successfully. And this

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Speaker 1: is the thing he's actually good at, right, Like this

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Speaker 1: is his actual skill. David Bossi, the president of Citizens

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Speaker 1: United and former deputy campaign manager for Trump, has given

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Speaker 1: de Santis credit for building an operation with quote very

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Speaker 1: Trumpian tones during Trump's first campaign. I actually don't think

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Speaker 1: this is accurate. Bossy now works on DeSantis' campaign, which

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Speaker 1: is why he's saying this. But my take is that

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Speaker 1: it would be more accurate to say Ron and Trump

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Speaker 1: focused on the same issues because those issues have been

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Speaker 1: issues for Republicans as long as most of us listening

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Speaker 1: have been a live cutting entitlements, border security, culture, warship

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Speaker 1: against elites. But those are just surface similarities. Ron has

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Speaker 1: always gone after those things in a pretty normal conservative way,

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Speaker 1: whereas Trump went after them in a populist wild card way.

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Speaker 1: Given his legitimate so yeah, I don't know that's I think, boss,

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Speaker 1: he's full of shit there anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think well also especially now, like yeah,

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Speaker 3: ron is doing a clear terrible Trump impression right and

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Speaker 3: not doing like he's He's sort of like off the

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Speaker 3: grid in terms of like what he's used to, it seems,

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Speaker 3: and that's part of why he's sort of floundering, is like, well,

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Speaker 3: this is not what I thought politics was supposed to be.

658
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Speaker 3: I did the things I'm supposed to do, and now

659
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Speaker 3: I got to be this freak.

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Speaker 4: He's very much out of his depth in what he's

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Speaker 4: trying in the tact that he's taking here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're out of your depth, Donnie, Ronnie exactly, Ronnie perfect. Yeah,

663
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: excellent Doki karaoke. So, given as legitimately impressive history as

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Speaker 1: a ball player, you might expect Ron to have played

665
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: on the congressional team, and he did, but by all accounts,

666
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: he did not make an impressive impact, nor did he

667
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: devote much time towards it. The only impact baseball was

668
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: to have on the rest of his career so far

669
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Speaker 1: is that he left congressional baseball practice in the summer

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Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen just before a gunman opened fire. By

671
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: the time twenty eighteen rolled around, Ron was ready to

672
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: take another shot at the brass ring. In this case,

673
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: it was the governor's seat in his home state of Florida.

674
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Speaker 1: And again he is running to be the governor of Florida,

675
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: not flow Rda, the beloved musician who represented San Marino

676
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Just want to really be clear

677
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Speaker 1: about that because we keep getting confusion. Yeah, the last episode,

678
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: people were did.

679
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: You tell me?

680
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: I was.

681
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 3: I still think it's Flora.

682
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the only way to solve this is

683
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Speaker 1: induct flow Rider into the United States. Sure, yeah, sure, yeah.

684
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: And I think for the flag, we just get rid

685
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Speaker 1: of the other fifty stars and just have one big

686
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: star on the flag that represents flow Rider United.

687
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Speaker 2: Because that would be our biggest star.

688
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. So still

689
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: no idea what song that guy wrote. He's got to

690
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: have at least one, right that was popular? Yes, yeah,

691
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: otherwise sand Marino wouldn't have sniped him. So his opponent

692
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: for the Republican nomination Ronda Santis is not flow Rider.

693
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: Was a guy named Adam Puttingham, a career politician who

694
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: had been in office some kind of office since he

695
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: was twenty two at one point. And this is I

696
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: think funny. Puttnam is clearly a guy who like is

697
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: at one point in his career a conservative wonderkin right,

698
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: Like he's starting office in his early twenties. He's one

699
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: of these like go getter youth Republican that the party

700
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: sees is its future. Uh And but shit starts to

701
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 1: change on a dime with Trump, and Ron is like, well,

702
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: I can make Hay by portraying putting him as this

703
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: like out of touch rhino careerist, you know.

704
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

705
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: So he uses his connections to get a meeting on

706
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: Air Force one where he makes his case to President Trump.

707
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: This was an important meeting. No one else's endorsement mattered

708
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: if Trump was on his side, and no one else

709
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: could save him without Donald. Now, Desanta has been putting

710
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: in groundwork here. He like started for months prior to this,

711
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: about a year or so prior to this, really hitting

712
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: against Trump attacks on social media and stuff, and these

713
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: are this is kind of a shallow thing. Just the fact,

714
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: and whenever he gets goes on TV, he'll defend the president.

715
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 5: Right.

716
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: Uh, it's it's very obvious. It's very like shallow toadying.

717
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: But that shit works like a dot, like perfectly on

718
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, like very much.

719
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, love that. Yeah.

720
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Speaker 1: So they have this meeting and Desanti's chief of staff

721
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: later recalled what President Trump saw on to stantis somebody

722
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: that was fighting for him and his agenda on Fox News,

723
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: whether it was Fox News or on Fox Business. And

724
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: Asanta's had a pretty smart strategy to use his committee

725
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: responsibilities and find ways to insert himself into the national

726
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: debate and get booked on TV. And we obviously had

727
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: a lot of media requests beyond Fox. But you know,

728
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: members of Congress know what shows the president watches and

729
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: what he doesn't.

730
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

731
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it works. Trump tweets an endorsement soon after

732
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: this meeting. Ron wins his primary handily, and he makes

733
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: frequent use of Trump's support, name dropping him twenty one

734
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: times in a single debate. He cuts what one Democratic

735
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: ad man called the dumbest, most effective ad in Florida history,

736
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: and it's it is remarkable. It starts with him like

737
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: reading his son a copy of the Art of the

738
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: Deal and telling his daughter to build the wall with toylet.

739
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a real hit. That's a

740
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: real toy.

741
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: It's so funny, just the dick writing his dad.

742
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: He's so fulle embarrassing.

743
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: It's so transparent and funny. I yeah, And that time

744
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: passed and it's all gone now.

745
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all gone now. So despite all this,

746
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: Florida was still one of America's most infamous swing states.

747
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: It is very purple at this point, and the general

748
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: election is a nail bier. DeSantis barely manages to squeak

749
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: past Democrat Andrew Gillham with some thirty two thousand votes,

750
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: less than half a percentage point. Gillim later gets hit

751
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: with a twenty one count federal indictment for wire fraud, conspiracy,

752
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: making false statements, all related to fraudulent fundraising from various

753
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: entities tied to his campaigns. Gilliam denies all charges, but

754
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter for here. What matters is that DeSantis

755
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: does manage to squeak out a victory and that it

756
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: is going to be very narrow. But his second victory

757
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: is not going to be narrow and that's pretty worth noting.

758
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: So today, Ron DeSantis is deservedly reviled for turning Florida

759
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: into a laboratory for outwardly fascistic and eliminationist public policy,

760
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: targeted particularly towards queer people. His early years in office, though,

761
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: are surprisingly mild. He is not the guy he is now.

762
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: His first couple of years as governor. Another Politico article

763
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: notes he surprised many in the state by tackling towards

764
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: the center. He signed a bill that nixed a ban

765
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: on smokable medical marijuana, announcing it with Matt Gets, one

766
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: of the most trumpy members of Congress, and Orlando attorney

767
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: John Morgan, long a major fundraiser for Democratic candidates. He

768
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: veted a bill that would have prevented local bands on

769
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: plastic straws. He angled for additional funding for Everglades restoration.

770
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Speaker 1: He instituted two new state jobs, chief Resilience Officer and

771
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: Chief Science Officer. DeSantis actually spoke the words climate change

772
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: after Rick Scott had downplayed it. His approval ratings soared

773
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: into the sixties and even into the seventies, including sort

774
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: of shockingly high faves from Democrats and independents too, so

775
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: that's interesting to me, and I think it does make sense.

776
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: It is actually consistent because when he's in Congress, it

777
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, like you're not directly accountable to any one

778
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: really in Congress, like because there's all these other guys

779
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: voting on everything that happens. Right, So you can be

780
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: just an obstructionist if that's the thing that makes you

781
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: palatable to the base, that gets you the endorsements. When

782
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: you're governor, you do have to do like, especially when

783
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: you're governor of a state that is a purple state. Right.

784
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: That's why he's doing this because he doesn't want to

785
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Speaker 1: lose office, because that's fucking death to a presidential campaign.

786
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: So to do something, yeah, you are the face of

787
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: it exactly.

788
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

789
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: So he's he is a fairly you would say, pragmatic guy. Uh,

790
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: and that is generally like there's political quotes one Republican

791
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: lobbyist as saying, as someone who has aspirations behind beyond

792
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Speaker 1: his current office, which I think everyone will concede this

793
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: probably is not his last office. I think that is

794
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: how you have to do it. I do think hopefully

795
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: it will be his last office, but we'll maybe we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like all it takes is just like a

797
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: Trump to walk on stage and interact with him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, putting Ron. Bam, speaking of putting Ron. Uh yeah,

799
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about putting Ron because it is.

800
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: It is during this surprisingly mild interlude in his career

801
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen that one of Ron's peculiarities would pass

802
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: into legend. Everyone who worked with the governor was aware

803
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: that he was a man who did not socialize easily.

804
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: Or well, he's very intelligent. He's able to digest large

805
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: reams of data in hours and come back with pointed questions,

806
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: but social dynamics baffle him. In March of twenty nineteen,

807
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: during a private flight from Tallahassee to DC, DeSantis decided

808
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: to take on some energy by eating a pudding snack.

809
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: According to two sources who were there, he did this

810
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: with three of his fingers, using them like a spoon

811
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: and licking them clean in full view of multiple people. Now, no, no, no, no,

812
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: that's off putting a bit. I do agree, and I'm

813
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: a big oh that was accidentally good. And I spent

814
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: a lot of time and like you know, the Middle East,

815
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: I do a lot. I've done a lot of eating

816
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: with my hands as utensils. But eating putting that way

817
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: is just so in public, is so off putting too.

818
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: In like a work business sort of setting. Yeah. Also, well,

819
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: just all.

820
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 4: The say is you could just squeeze it in. You

821
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: don't have to do that at all. You could just

822
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: squeeze the pudding. You could use the lid like a okay,

823
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: thank you. I was gonna say, there's this, The lid

824
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 4: is foil. Usually I assume he's eating standard pudding cup

825
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: probably probably a standard putting shape. You shape the lid

826
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 4: into a little spoon, and then you have a little spoon.

827
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 4: You don't have to use your three fingers. That's what

828
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 4: we've all done.

829
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: Is putting the shocker, Like God, not those three fingers.

830
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Speaker 3: That's what I choose.

831
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Speaker 2: Like, I know, it's like such.

832
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Speaker 4: A silly thing, but there's something wrong with you if

833
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 4: you think it's okay to do that around people.

834
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Speaker 3: Sorry, it's weird. Now.

835
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Speaker 1: Look have I eaten pudding with my fingers when nearly

836
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: blackout drunk alone in my apartment? Of course, But I

837
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: can all agree I should not be a governor.

838
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and then there's that.

839
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Speaker 4: But I just imagine you wouldn't do it sober around

840
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 4: colleagues in any kind of environment.

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00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: But if you did, it'd be like, yeah, I'm this

842
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: type of governor. Yeah I'm gonna I feel like I'm

843
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: going to have a meeting and I'm going to take

844
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 3: a ship during the meeting to Yeah again that I can.

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Speaker 1: I could if Ron, if Ron had the kind of

846
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: natural charisma LBJ had, just like, I don't give a fuck,

847
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: You're not even people.

848
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Speaker 3: This is who I am, and you're dealing with me. Yeah,

849
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: I go for it. But no, he's just a weirdo

850
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: who wanted his little pudding snack and I had to

851
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: your fingers in there to get it. That is gullet.

852
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: Because this is an unbiased political analysis show, I do

853
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: want to note here that at the same time put

854
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: In Ron was being born, another famously unpleasant politician on

855
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: the other side of the aisle had a similar experience.

856
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: The New York Times reported that in twenty nineteen, during

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Speaker 1: a flight to a campaign event, Senator Amy Klobachar was

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00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: told there was no fork for her salad, and she

859
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: pulled a comb from her bag and used it to eat. Now,

860
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: this is maybe the most controversial thing I say on

861
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: the show. Both of these are weird things to do.

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00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: I think Ron's choice was more normal than Amy's because,

863
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: like people, pudding is it's weird to eat pudding with

864
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: your fingers, but fingers are acceptable for eating some things.

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Speaker 5: An Also, I see, we've all seen Amy's hair. There's

866
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 5: product in there. Yeah, she's eating her salad and also

867
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 5: eating hairspray's unhitched.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: It's not good.

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Speaker 1: It's not good. Hell yeah, we're going by klobuch Gang.

871
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Speaker 3: Like it's not this, but like it's something like it's

872
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: like getting your like like your toothbrush out and using

873
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: a toothbrush to eat the pudding. Sure, but even that

874
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 3: is like not the same as the calm, Like there's

875
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: no equivalent there, like love it.

876
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: So, prior to twenty twenty, if you were looking at

877
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis, you'd probably have expected him to hew to

878
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: that wonky Paul Ryan image, which is kind of what

879
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: he's he's doing, largely with a little bit of Ted

880
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: Cruz thrown in there. Uh, to hold on, yeah, none

881
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: of that stuff, but to try and hold onto his

882
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: state through whatever happens with Trump's second campaign, and hopefully

883
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: plot a less extreme path to picking up his crown

884
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: after right, sort of let let the Trump storm pass

885
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: and you know, trust that you're young enough to have,

886
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, time to get in there afterwards. Given his

887
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: relatively mild performance at this point, this would not have

888
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: been a bad strategy, but the coronavirus pandemic changed everything. Initially,

889
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: Ron responded more or less the same as everyone else,

890
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: and and Florida does have a brief lockdown. It's like

891
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: a month or so, Dan run, lockdown.

892
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: Run, lockdown, run.

893
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: Once it becomes clear that the pandemic is not like,

894
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: it's not a civilization ender, it's you know, just a

895
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: massive three to the most vulnerable people in the country,

896
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: He's like, well, fuck those people. And he reversed his

897
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: course and decides to ride the waves of paranoid discontent

898
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: by flouting every expert recommendation and reopening his state Here's

899
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: the Atlantic. Initially, Florida faired better than many states, although

900
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: its numbers eventually came to look pretty bad. He has

901
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: since adopted a sort of soft anti vaccine stance, never

902
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: explicitly rejecting the shots but declining to promote them, and

903
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: often appearing with skeptics. Desanta's COVID politics hurt his approval

904
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: with Democrats, driving down his overall numbers, but they endeared

905
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: him to conservatives in both Florida and nationwide. His standing

906
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: remained and remained strong among Republicans in the Sunshine State,

907
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: and he became a darling of the national right wing media,

908
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: which saw him in him a rare conservative COVID success

909
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: story and also a politician who could combine elements of

910
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: Trumpism with more traditional movement conservatism. The glow seems to

911
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: have emboldened DeSantis, picking Trump's example, DeSantis begun keeping legislators

912
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: in check with the threat of criticism or backing primary challenges,

913
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: and this is the start of ron as the fearsome

914
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: force of authoritarian governments that we see today. Right, he

915
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: is initially pretty popular governor. At one point he has

916
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: nearly seventy percent, but he realizes by becoming this culture warrior,

917
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna lose ten to fifteen points, you know, something

918
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: like that, but not enough to take him out of

919
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: winning the governor's seat, and in fact, it'll strengthen his

920
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: overall appeal to his base, so that means more money.

921
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: And crucially, not just does it mean more money, it

922
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: means he doesn't actually need to have any sort of

923
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: buy in from the left in order to govern, because

924
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: he can he can get all of the legislators in

925
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: Florida lockstep behind him, because since he is so popular

926
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: with the base, he can be like, look, if you

927
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: don't do exactly what I fucking want, you're out of here.

928
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: Like I will endorse your opponent in a primary, and

929
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: you're fucked. And that's what's allowed him to do, to

930
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: push through a lot of the stuff that he's done

931
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: that's really unpopular.

932
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 4: It's interesting to see when you're laying it out like this,

933
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 4: how quickly this.

934
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: It's not that he.

935
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 4: Ultimately wants We've talked about it this whole time, just

936
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: how he's adopted this persona over the period of time,

937
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: but it's been a relatively short period of time.

938
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: Uh, with this latest iteration.

939
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: Of Ronald yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what else articulates Well, Katie.

940
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 4: Is it something you can row with advertisements?

941
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? We are actually sponsored entirely by Ron DeSantis. Oh

942
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, here's ron.

943
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 5: Hi.

944
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: I'm here to be your president. And you know what

945
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 3: I don't like is not well, not pudding. I love putting.

946
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 3: That's a really.

947
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 5: Really perfect I have a question as we come back

948
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 5: from break here, Sure do we think that there should

949
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 5: be some kind of test for elected officials where we

950
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 5: give them some kind of food and no solaware and

951
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 5: see what they do and if it's and it's.

952
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 2: A great idea, sofy, that's one of the best ideas

953
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: I've heard I feel in a long time.

954
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 5: And I feel like there's like a scale and it's like,

955
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 5: you know, were you on the comb and the salad

956
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 5: or were you you know, just you know as Katie,

957
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 5: as Katie suggested you, you you eat the pudding without

958
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 5: putting your fingers in it?

959
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: Because I mean, what I what I would really like

960
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 1: to see you would have to do everyone at once,

961
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: but all of our elected leaders you get it once.

962
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: You put them in a room and you have them

963
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: eat like a sandwich or some hummus or something that

964
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: you have squirted dish soap into and you film them all.

965
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: You do it just to see. You don't tell them

966
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: see who powers through it?

967
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 5: Right?

968
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 3: It's like, right, are you gonna are you going to

969
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: say something I mean like this tastes weird? Or like

970
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: are you and are you gonna sort of have you

971
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: had hummuts before? Do you know? What it's supposed to

972
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: taste like, do you know that it's not supposed to

973
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: taste like so you're like, oh, yeah, I love my

974
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: soaphi humus.

975
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: It's got that able that we all know about.

976
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 4: Just maybe one of those, one of them, we'll take

977
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 4: the initiative to say, hey, don't eat this. It's got

978
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 4: soap in it, but probably not up. It is also

979
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 4: a good it's an opportunity for them to prove themselves

980
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 4: to be a good leaders.

981
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: Yea.

982
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 5: If you find out if some of them goes, did

983
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 5: you put cilantro in this hummus? Yeah, and you find

984
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 5: out who has bad taste buds?

985
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because we should not. Maybe we can

986
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: all agree you should not be able to hold office

987
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: if you've got the gene that makes cilantro taste bad

988
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: to you.

989
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

990
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, for sure.

991
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean I think those are even really people.

992
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 5: I just feel like we're making really good rules right

993
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 5: here where I agree. And I feel like the food

994
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 5: without support thing should be live streamed.

995
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, for sure, we can.

996
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: We can do it.

997
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: We can. Audience of those Philly sports fans from part one,

998
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you.

999
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: Know we're not doing though, we're just sort of like

1000
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: paving the way for another Trump presidency because you know

1001
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 3: he eats the soapy helmets. He's just gonna be like

1002
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 3: this isn't this is bad? Like what are you doing?

1003
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 3: Give me a tie of coke? Like he'll just like

1004
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: he'll bulldoze the entire room.

1005
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, dangerous games anyway, here's a dangerous ad.

1006
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 3: Time.

1007
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, We're bad. That was horrible Cody, Okay, So yeah,

1008
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: uh there we go. So Ron DeSantis, after covid is

1009
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: now starts to remake himself in the image of Huey

1010
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: Long basically like he goes kind of kind of dictator

1011
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: from this point forward. He bases his power and authority

1012
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: on this vice grip that he's got on the Republican

1013
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: voters of Florida, and he's able to use this to

1014
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: push through very unpopular policies by threatening his legislators with

1015
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: primary challenges. Aubrey Jewett, a political scientist from the University

1016
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: of Central Florida, says that DeSantis has control over the

1017
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: Florida legislature is historically unique. Historically, particularly in the Florida Senate,

1018
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: you'd see more independence, they'd buck the governor Jem Bush

1019
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: experienced this, Charlie Christ even Rick Scott. Now, Desanta's approval

1020
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: is below its pre pandemic levels, but this does not

1021
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: change his behavior, and he uses it like his power

1022
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: now to ram through Florida's infamous Don't Say Gay Bill,

1023
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: which bans any classroom discussion of gender identity or sexual

1024
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: orientation in Florida public schools through the third grade. It

1025
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 1: was and remains an unpopular law, but Ron handily won

1026
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: re election after the pandemic, and in fact he didn't

1027
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: just win, he absolutely blew out his Democratic challenger. You

1028
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: can say there's one thing for DeSantis, and it's that

1029
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: he knows how to push when he sees an opening.

1030
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 1: He has responded to the new tenor of Florida politics

1031
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: by remaking himself as the arch culture warrior, making unpopular

1032
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: gear policies geared at hurting the left and enemies of

1033
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: conservatism above anything that might be called traditional governing. He's

1034
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: helped to push through what many consider the most partisan

1035
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: redistricting map in the country, geared towards reducing the influence

1036
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: of black voters. This has been met with a full

1037
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: on legal assault against what Ron calls voter fraud one,

1038
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: which has primarily targeted black Floridians. A good example comes

1039
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: from October of twenty twenty two, when body camera footage

1040
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: revealed a raid on voters around Tampa, nineteen of whom

1041
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: were arrested for so called fraud. The ACLU reports quote

1042
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: the footage is disturbing. It is clear that the individuals

1043
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: arrested in and around Tampa have absolutely no idea that

1044
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: they have done anything wrong and why they are being detained.

1045
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: At moments, their confusion and distress are so pronounced that

1046
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: the police arresting them try to console them. As the

1047
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Times put it, the police are almost apologetic

1048
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: for their actions. Nineteen people are arrested in this sting,

1049
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: which focused around Amendment four. This is an amendment to

1050
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: the Florida state Constitution that was approved by sixty five

1051
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: percent to Florida voters in twenty eighteen and restored voting

1052
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: rights to Floridians with past felony convictions. But the year

1053
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: after this happens, DeSantis has his legislature pass SB seven

1054
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: H sixty six, which requires that felons pay legal fines

1055
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: before being eligible to vote. As the ACLU notes, the

1056
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: state has no central database for information on convictions and

1057
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: the resulting financial obligations. This leaves hundreds of thousands of

1058
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: Floridians unable to assess if they owe money and how much. Essentially,

1059
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: the state created a paid a vote system well, giving

1060
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: people no way to determine how much they must pay,

1061
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: and then he's able to charge them criminally for voting

1062
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: when they haven't paid properly in this thing that they

1063
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: can't know, Like, yeah, it's really fucked up. It is

1064
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: very clearly targeting specifically black voters. Thirteen of the nineteen

1065
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: people arrested in this first sweep are black, and yeah,

1066
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: it's generally seen as an attempt to chill the vote

1067
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: in low income black and brown communities ahead of the

1068
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election. That's absolutely what he's doing here.

1069
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: DeSantis also oversees a ban on critical race theory, one

1070
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: so severe it's led to even math textbooks being censored.

1071
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: One law makes it a third degree felony to distribute

1072
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: what the state under DeSantis calls pornography in classrooms. The

1073
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: actual text of the statute is incredibly broad, defining pornography

1074
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: not just as erotic material with the intentment to cause

1075
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: sexual excitement, but including instruction on gender identity or discrimination.

1076
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: By teaching that quote, an individual by virtue of his

1077
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: or her race, color, sex, or national origin is inherently

1078
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: racist or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously. So it's basically

1079
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: just like a felony to teach anything that someone conservative

1080
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: might get offended by. And if you know conservatives, you

1081
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: know there's nothing that doesn't offend them.

1082
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 4: Oh, it's all that very it Honestly, I don't even

1083
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 4: know what to say say and we talk about this

1084
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 4: all the time, it but it does blow my mind.

1085
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Speaker 4: It's hard for me to wrap my mind around all

1086
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 4: that he's all the terrible things that he's done in

1087
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 4: a very short period of time, and the hypocrisy of

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00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 4: people talking about, you know, public schools, the schooling is

1089
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 4: an indoctrination, and then literally what is happening, Literally what

1090
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 4: the things that are being removed from basic elements of

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00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 4: our education and how yeah, I'm preaching.

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00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: Classrooms and school libraries just absolutely shorn of books because yeah, yeah,

1093
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: it's ghastly. I'm not going to go into as much.

1094
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to like spend the whole episode just

1095
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: listing every bad thing he's done as governor. I thought

1096
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: it was more useful because you get this every day,

1097
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: right people are reading this, they're watching this. I thought

1098
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: it was more useful to explain why he's able to

1099
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: do this, because this is not how he governs at

1100
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: the start of his time as governor. This is a

1101
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: change that comes midway through as a rest of the

1102
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: COVID pandemic, and it's important to know that he is

1103
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: able to get away with pushing so many unpopular policies

1104
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: because of how he gains control over the state legislature.

1105
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to kind of get into because

1106
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: that's actually a really useful thing to understand, in part

1107
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: to prevent future authoritarians like DeSantis from doing similar things

1108
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: in other states, you need to at least understand how

1109
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: he got to be able to do all this shit.

1110
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: Right now, this is all awful. None of it, though,

1111
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: has stopped DeSantis from winning re election. There's a lot

1112
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: of articles from right before his reelection campaign that are like,

1113
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, is COVID is his hard right tilt? You know,

1114
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: is this all going to like hurt his chances of winning?

1115
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: Because he barely squeaks it by the first time his

1116
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: second election, Ron wins by an astonishing margin. He even

1117
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: captures traditionally liberal enclaves in the state, which has led

1118
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: many to posit that, however you want to characterize his

1119
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: reign ethically, he has ended, at least for now, Florida's

1120
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Speaker 1: status as a per state. Little early to say that,

1121
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see how twenty twenty four goes, but

1122
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: I think that's probably fair. It is impossible to say

1123
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: at the moment whether or not this will hold true

1124
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: beyond twenty twenty four, but it does point to an

1125
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: undeniable conclusion. Ron DeSantis is probably the most effective elected

1126
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: anti Democratic leader in the country. The good news is that,

1127
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: at least for now, he seems to have overreached his

1128
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: capabilities and what is probably fair to say is the

1129
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: most major misstep of his career so far. People have

1130
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: been discussing DeSantis as a probable Republican presidential candidate since

1131
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: at least twenty twenty and after January sixth, twenty twenty one,

1132
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: and the brief relative absence of Trump when he was

1133
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: being shunned for that like a couple of months, he

1134
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: seemed to shine as a likely future standard bearer of

1135
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: the authoritarian movement that Donald had helped conjure into being.

1136
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: There were articles in mainstream publications touting the Florida miracle.

1137
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: Ron had decided to campaign on this. Interviews highlighted his

1138
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: intelligence as a counterpoint to Trump's crudity, But this brief

1139
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: period as a front runner came to an end as

1140
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: soon as the former president made it clear that he

1141
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: intended to run once more. In deference to the fact

1142
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: that DeSantis had defended him a few years earlier, Trump

1143
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: gave a couple of quiet warnings. I think the first

1144
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: warnings are probably sent through intermediaries kind of politely. You've

1145
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: got some guys who are because they're both Florida dudes,

1146
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, who are visiting both camps, be like, now's

1147
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: not the time, Ron, Now's not the time, Ron. But

1148
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: Ron doesn't listen to this, and when that isn't enough.

1149
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: In November of twenty twenty two, Trump makes a public

1150
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: warning in an interview on Fox News. He threatens DeSantis

1151
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: with a release of private information if he runs for president.

1152
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: From the Huffington Post. I can tell you things about him.

1153
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: It won't be very flattering. I know more about him

1154
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: than anybody other than perhaps his wife is so funny.

1155
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 3: I can't believe he did that, but an unbelievable. It's

1156
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 3: something's something like that that he does every week and

1157
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: it's just gone.

1158
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It is remarkable.

1159
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 3: Right, warned him not to run for presid.

1160
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: You threaten him with that, you that you'll pull pull

1161
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: out dirt on him if he does. You just do

1162
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: it openly on TV.

1163
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 3: That's so wild, like during the interview, right, it's not

1164
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: even like off the cough at like a rally.

1165
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, I accept it from Trump because

1166
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: it is really funny, like it is. It's very funny.

1167
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry I am that shallow with stuff like this.

1168
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah quote. I think he would be making

1169
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: a mistake. I think the bass would not like it.

1170
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be good for the party.

1171
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: Any of that stuff is not good. You have other

1172
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: people that possibly will run. I guess I don't know

1173
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: if he runs. If he runs, he runs.

1174
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he runs morning and he shouldn't.

1175
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt him badly if he does.

1176
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 3: And again he does.

1177
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: Up to this point, Ron's career has been meticulous. Right,

1178
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: the first time he throws the dice is kind of

1179
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: when he takes this hard right turn on covid uh

1180
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: and that works for him. And I think if I'm

1181
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna psychoanalyze him, I think after decades of

1182
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: making all of the care choices, he sees how kind

1183
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: of gambling works for Trump, how it gets him into

1184
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: it at least gets him into the presidency wants. And

1185
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: he's like, he sees how well it works for him

1186
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: in his reelection campaign, and he's like, well, fuck it,

1187
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna keep gambling. And he throws the dice

1188
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: on Donald Trump, and Trump is just a better gambler

1189
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: than Ron DeSantis could ever hope to be. Like, this

1190
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: is a calamitous mistake, but it is in line with

1191
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: this new image that DeSantis has tried to paint for

1192
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: himself since the pandemic, this kind of getting away from

1193
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: the Ted Cruz, from the careful Paul Ryan sort of thing.

1194
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: And this attitude is embodied in the trumpy accessories that

1195
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: he starts selling to finance his re election campaign, my

1196
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: favorite of which are golf balls with the text floors

1197
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: as governor has a pair on them. Oh boy, just

1198
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: sad Ron.

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01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: Boy kiels so forced raw.

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01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. It does. Also, you know you're already

1201
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: dealing with the meatball Ron thing. Maybe don't don't add

1202
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: ball here, but.

1203
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: Or lean into it. Yeah, sell kits.

1204
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: With Ron's meatball Selah. Yeah, in fact he should that

1205
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. Yeah. His only strategy seems

1206
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: to be running against Trump as a better Trump, which

1207
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: is a risky move against a man with so much

1208
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: personal popularity among the same base. And sure enough, as

1209
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: soon as Ron sets himself against Trump, all of this

1210
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: dirt on him starts to spill outcome articles noting that

1211
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: he's had three chiefs of staff and three years at

1212
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: Congress and then three more and five years as governor.

1213
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: Right Like, he's got all this turnover and nobody likes him.

1214
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: He can't keep a team together. One of his former

1215
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: strategists lets slip to Vanity Fair that Ron and Casey

1216
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: quote use people like toilet paper, and that there's an

1217
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: unofficial support group of former aids. This might just be

1218
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: dismissed as politics if not for the fact that the

1219
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: Asanta's campaign has seen even more rapid turnover since then,

1220
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: bleeding nearly all of its hires over the course of

1221
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: a year that's seen him go from the best funded

1222
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: candidate on the Republican Party too broke and so reliant

1223
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: on his superpack that Trump's campaign recently made a public

1224
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: warning against Republican candidates coordinating illegally with their super packs,

1225
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: just to like stick it ron a little bit so funny. Yeah,

1226
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: just yeah, it's very it's a.

1227
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 3: Foolish thing to do, Like aside from like all the

1228
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 3: things that you're pointing out, like why would you try

1229
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: to out Trump? Trump? Mean, you're so severely unlikable. It

1230
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:36,959
Speaker 3: is like even like I probably Trump, but like he's

1231
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 3: got he's definitely has some charm and charisma because he's

1232
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 3: on TV for decades as like a famous guy. But yeah,

1233
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 3: it is it is hard to sort of like necessarily

1234
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 3: assess yourself like that and admit it, even if you

1235
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: are a little putting fingers.

1236
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: Man.

1237
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's really far deep at this point, you know,

1238
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 4: and he's really like gone down the path.

1239
01:03:58,760 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's locked in.

1240
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is locked in. It's a it's interesting to

1241
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: me because it's it's very much like a like you've

1242
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: got like this boxer who's like just just famously good,

1243
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: right hook just knocking dudes out left and right, and

1244
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: he's a heavyweight, and you're like, you know, sometimes you

1245
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,479
Speaker 1: like box at the local gym with your friends for fun,

1246
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: and you see him. You see this guy. Maybe he's

1247
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: doing some sort of like circus thing. He's just pounded dudes, right,

1248
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: challenging guys from the crowd. He knocks like four or

1249
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: five dudes out, and you're like, you know what, I

1250
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: bet I can take this man who's twice yeah, right,

1251
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: Like it's just what so reckless?

1252
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 3: Must It's like, must say he wants to fight Zuckerberg.

1253
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, man, Like, yeah, I think that both

1254
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: what Ron has done and Elon Musk wanting to fight

1255
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg are just the best evidence you could get

1256
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: of how power and wealth derange you. Like he has lost.

1257
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: He's he's a guy earlier in his career who very

1258
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: small assesses risk and reward, and he's it's just kind

1259
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: of fallen apart. He won for too long, that kind

1260
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: of thing.

1261
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it breaks your brain, It breaks yeah,

1262
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 3: it turns you into a meatball.

1263
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, into a meatball, a ground up little meatball. Yeah.

1264
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: And uh so you know, alongside Trump, DeSantis has chosen

1265
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: to pick a fight with Disney over the extremely mild

1266
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: resistance the company put up to his anti renewals. It's

1267
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: very like he tries to revoke their special tax status

1268
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: and then Disney uses their much more expensive lawyers to

1269
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: cancel a lot of this act.

1270
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: Should have revoked his marriage.

1271
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to do that.

1272
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 3: They are like the pope.

1273
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 5: Uh.

1274
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: And it's very funny, like former RNC chair Michael Steele was,

1275
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: after all this happened. Is like once you lose a

1276
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,439
Speaker 1: battle against Mickey Mouse, it's kind of hard to take

1277
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: you seriously.

1278
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 3: Max, Like you lose a fight that you started, like.

1279
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: That you started with Mickey Mouse. Max Stepanovitch, an influential

1280
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: figure in Tallahassee politics, told Politico last year that DeSantis

1281
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: had to resist becoming the protagonist in his own Greek tragedy,

1282
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: claiming the governor's key rival is not Trump but Hubris.

1283
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: I might also add what I said, yep, yep, yep, yeap.

1284
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: His own awkwardness too, you know, putting ron.

1285
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, his laughing and then scowling, yeah, nine and half

1286
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 3: a second that one of his Nazi didn't help.

1287
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: No, that that sure doesn't help. Yeah, it's all very funny.

1288
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: I think the best way to close this out is

1289
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: for me to play a little clip of an interview

1290
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: with a with old Meatball Ron at Adasantas twenty twenty

1291
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: four event. This was taking Paul Steinhauser. So I'm gonna

1292
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. Yeah, Katie Eve been waiting.

1293
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: For this all episode.

1294
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 3: Maybe he finally has the juice in this clip.

1295
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: Can you guys see he got it?

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Speaker 2: Does he got a juice?

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Speaker 3: You finally got the juice?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Instead the other day that the knives are out for

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Speaker 6: you at that debate, I got to ask you about that.

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Speaker 6: Plus I got to ask you a memo that people

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Speaker 6: are talking about. So I'd like to get your reaction

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Speaker 6: to both.

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Speaker 3: Well. On the memo, it's not mine.

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Speaker 7: I haven't read it, and it's just I think it's

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Speaker 7: something that we haven't put off to the side. But

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Speaker 7: in terms of the debate, look, when you're I know

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Speaker 7: from the military, when you're over the target, that's when

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Speaker 7: you're taking flack. And if you look really, in the

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Speaker 7: last six to nine months, I've been more attacked than

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Speaker 7: anybody else by the Harris, the media.

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Speaker 3: The left. I feel like the Republican candidates and more

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Speaker 3: times indicted President is probably.

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Speaker 7: Biggest threat, so we view it as positive feedback. We'll

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Speaker 7: be ready to do what we need to do to

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Speaker 7: deliver our message. But we absolutely expect that and we'll

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Speaker 7: be ready for it. And that means punching back, It means,

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Speaker 7: it means yes, it means defending ourselves, but more importantly,

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Speaker 7: showing why we are the leader to get this country

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Speaker 7: turned around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there's so much that. First off, Ron, how

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Speaker 1: many times did you take flack in the Navy as

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Speaker 1: a lawyer? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Over the combat line?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh huh okay, Ron Wild time to bring that in.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, he is grinding his fucking teeth. So

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Speaker 1: the reason that the thing he's asking about is I

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Speaker 1: mentioned that his campaign is broke. His super pac has

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, but you cannot coordinate directly between

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Speaker 1: a campaign and a superpack. So he had his superpack

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Speaker 1: put together his debate prep list, like his his debate

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Speaker 1: prep instructions. But the super pac can't send those to

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Speaker 1: the campaign. What it can do is put them up

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Speaker 1: in a website in a way that's technically publicly available, right,

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Speaker 1: and then they can say, and that's how we got

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Speaker 1: it right, They published this publicly. Now there's ways to

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Speaker 1: do that where it's not obvious, but like people found

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Speaker 1: it and published his debate prep instructions, which are mostly

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Speaker 1: really like it's do not attack Trump ever, you know,

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Speaker 1: never say anything bad about Trump when you're up there.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like he's gonna fatal hard.

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Speaker 1: Viciously attack ignore Trump and viciously attack Vivic Ramaswamy by

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Speaker 1: calling him and and it like this is the saddest part.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you got to give him a Trump style

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Speaker 1: nickname to attack Vivic the liar?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, don't even try.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what Trump would call Vivic. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anything. I think he would basically ignore him because

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Speaker 1: he's not a serious threat. He would go after he

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Speaker 1: would be calling Ronda Santis.

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Speaker 2: If he did, it might be a little racist, there's

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Speaker 2: a chance.

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Speaker 3: But he has made clear rhymes about it. Okay, he's

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Speaker 3: rapped about it. You'll see he.

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Speaker 1: Is like is he well known as a liar on

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Speaker 1: the right?

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Speaker 8: Like we like because he's like he the things Vivic

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Speaker 8: says are like weird, like misunderstandings of how the government works,

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Speaker 8: and like, wait, you want to do this with a

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Speaker 8: what are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Man? But he's not a liar.

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Speaker 1: I think there's this fundamental misunderstanding about why Trump's nicknames

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Speaker 1: are effective. And they are effective because they get at

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Speaker 1: what most people have as like a primary complaint about

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Speaker 1: a dude in a very like succinct way. Right, Jeb

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Speaker 1: Bush is like the son of a president who was

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Speaker 1: like the kind of evil genius political manipulator and the

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Speaker 1: brother of a president who was like the super charismatic

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Speaker 1: political candidate. Right, yeah, and he just was absolutely bland

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Speaker 1: by comparison.

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Speaker 3: Low energy Jeb.

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Speaker 1: Right, he's desperate, but it's the thing that hurts him

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Speaker 1: the most, right, Like he knows that about himself. Ted

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Speaker 1: Cruz Lion Ted. You call Ted Cruz a liar because

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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz is a fucking liar.

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Speaker 2: He exuded lies.

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Speaker 1: Well, guess for the Trump if Trump was going to

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Speaker 1: do a nickname of Vivek, is is nobody nobody Vivek? Right, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's not He's not, right, He's he's a zero, you know,

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Speaker 1: because he is a zero. Yeah, vapid Vivek. You know

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Speaker 1: something like that that gets it his like that he's

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Speaker 1: he's not a serious candidate.

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Speaker 3: He's just there for his books and stuff, and that's

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Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, vapid Vivec. That's a good one, Katie.

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Speaker 1: You don't call him Vivec the liar because like, that's

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Speaker 1: not it, Like there's that doesn't get you anywhere.

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Speaker 3: And also blank, the blank is not something. It's not

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Speaker 3: the that's not the structure of the nicknames.

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Speaker 1: Also like, yeah, I think vapid is a good one, Katie.

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Speaker 1: That might be the VP vivec rapin rapping.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, anyway, guy who wants to raise the voting

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Speaker 3: age to twenty five of.

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Speaker 1: The veke, I think we need to lower the age

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Speaker 1: to rent cars to eighteen. Uh yeah, And I also

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Speaker 1: think we need to lower the drinking age to eighteen

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Speaker 1: as long as as you're buying your alcohol in a

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Speaker 1: rented car. That's my argument.

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Speaker 3: Get to drink it in the rented.

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Speaker 2: Car and drink it while driving in the rented car.

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Speaker 1: No, No, that would be irresponsible. I just want to

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like how when Texas you can buy

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Speaker 1: liquor at a drive through, but only if they put

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Speaker 1: a piece of tape on it.

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Speaker 3: That's that's that's the situation.

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Speaker 2: Apparently.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's glorious sixty four ounce margarita in your truck.

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Speaker 1: The size of a Sherman battle tack.

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Speaker 2: Literally a drive through liquor store and you like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called called State's Rights. It's so funny.

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Speaker 1: It's the best thing Texas does.

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Speaker 4: And like now that I note exists, I don't want

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Speaker 4: to get out of my car.

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Speaker 2: No, get boozed like a peasant at some place.

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Speaker 1: Like a poor No, absolutely not or yeah, anyway, that's after.

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Speaker 3: Run on Wednesday evening when he is not allowed to

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Speaker 3: talk about Donald Trumpton.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, good luck to Ron the day before this episode

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Speaker 1: will drop hopeful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks for having us, having.

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Speaker 2: Us per USU.

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Speaker 5: Do you want to do your plugs, Katie.

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Speaker 2: We've got shows, we sure do.

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Speaker 4: We'd love for you to listen and watch those shows.

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Speaker 4: We have about YouTube channel called some More News and

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Speaker 4: you can watch videos, but we also have a podcast

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Speaker 4: called even more News, and we also have the audio

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Speaker 4: from the YouTube channel in that podcast feed. So it's like

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Speaker 4: there's two different shows in the podcast. Check it out,

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Speaker 4: you'll get it. Check them out and Patreon and Cody.

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Speaker 4: You have a band.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's so true, Sophie. Oh my god, what a

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Speaker 3: great point from Sophie. Once again, it's my band is

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Speaker 3: called the hot shapes. You can find them on band

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Speaker 3: camp and SoundCloud and maybe streaming where you stream songs.

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Speaker 3: I think I tried to do that. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Check it out.

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Speaker 2: And Robert, you have a you have a book.

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Speaker 1: I I do have a book. It's it's called After

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Speaker 1: the Revolution. You can buy it any where books come from.

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Speaker 1: And you know what else I have is a lot

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Speaker 1: of love in my heart from my co hosts uh

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Speaker 1: and and my producer who listened to two hours or

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Speaker 1: so of Ron DeSantis. And if you at home are

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Speaker 1: feeling kind of bummed out about this, go go on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and find the clip of him in that interview

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Speaker 1: we just played next to Homelander. Uh, the same, the same, like.

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Speaker 3: Biling's just it's not even under the surface. It is

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Speaker 3: the surface. It's the bundling one to one. I've also

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Speaker 3: never seen, like I don't think I've ever seen somebody

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Speaker 3: grind their teeth like so visibly, Like no, you're you're

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Speaker 3: also bearing your teeth. You're bearing your teeth and you're

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Speaker 3: grinding them usually like no, tight lips, you keep it down,

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Speaker 3: you clenched them.

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Speaker 4: He didn't seem to be handling things well, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: or for the past years. But yeah, no, he is

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Speaker 4: grinding and bearing and out in rending and tearing. Is

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Speaker 4: that something from where the Is that a quote? I

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Speaker 4: made it up to stop talking to Katie? The gnashing

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Speaker 4: of the teeth.

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Speaker 3: Yep, He's going to stop talking.

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