1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans, This one's 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Pack twelve Apostles apostles the commissioner 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: of the conference, Mr George Clokoff. He speaks about playoff 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: expansion and what this means for the conference and what 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: the conference needs overall. Chip Kelly loses another coordinator, this 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: time U c l A. Fans are very happy and 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: who might they get to replace him? Um A s U. 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: They hire some new coaches, but no significant changes. This 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: fight is c double a you know, allegations hanging over 11 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: their head. The transfer portal is absolutely buzzing. We are 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: still waiting to see if Caleb Williams ends up at USC, 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: if Travis d ends up at USC, bro it is 14 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: going nuts and um yeah, and basketball is here and 15 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: a Dia Barnes ends up apologizing, I'm George Riser, He's 16 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: Ralph Amerson and this is the PAC twelve Apostles. The 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: pod pack cast by Twack BYPAC twelve fans for Back 18 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: twelve fans, where you get the absolute truth, the heat 19 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: and no sugarcoating is allowed. So Ralph will start with 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: George Klikoff. He spoke and he talked about playoff expansion 21 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: and everything else that he was disappointed with the season, 22 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: and I looked at this bro. I could not have 23 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: been more excited, even though he was delivering some bad news. 24 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: Just the fact that I can trust him is important, 25 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: and I feel like he has a plan des fight. 26 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: You know, so many roadblocks, including airtight contracts at Larry 27 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: Michael Scott put in as obstacles, but at least I 28 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: feel like we have somebody who can get us out 29 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: of this problem. You're absolutely right. Um, it's just incredibly 30 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: refreshing to have somebody who would identify the problems, because 31 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: I think everybody, for the longest time, was starting to 32 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: feel it was starting. Everybody felt gas lit by the 33 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: fact that it seemed like everyone was on the same 34 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: page with the problems that this conference was facing. But 35 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: the person in charge, his biggest battle was in trying 36 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: to explain to us that that problem was actually not 37 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: a problem, or that problem was an opportunity, or that 38 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: problem was something that we should actually be proud of. Um. 39 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: And it it just it got to the point where 40 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: it was so exhausting and UM and you know, you 41 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: and I would would joke about, you know, whether whether 42 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: if somebody was sent from another conference to destabilize the 43 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: pactwel if they would have done anything differently than Larry 44 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: Scott and I don't you know that was a joke. 45 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: He's I don't never struck me as a bad man. Um. 46 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: But as far as what he was doing, I thought 47 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: he was incredibly unskilled and did not possess the desire 48 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: to evolve. See, there's a difference between being uh, between 49 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: the Peter principle right and being promoted to the level 50 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: of your incompetency and being malicious and willful. But I 51 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: still do agree with the statement of if he were 52 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: a plant sent from the from the SEC to ruin 53 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: the conference, what would he have done differently? The answer 54 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: is nothing. That doesn't mean it was malicious or intentional. 55 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: I believe his intentions were good. I just don't think 56 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: that he had the the foresight and the uh, you know, 57 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: in the creativity and the ingenuity to be able to 58 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, to like go a non traditional route or 59 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: to look at saying maybe I don't want to lock 60 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: into a ten year deal media rights deal, because if 61 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: you think about it, in sports, the way athletes look 62 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: at their contracts. They're trying to get back to free 63 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: agency as quickly as possible. They want the most upfront money, 64 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: but then they'll sacrifice a little bit to get back 65 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: to the table while they're still in their in their prime. 66 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: And that's the same thing that the Pact twelve should 67 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: have done. And now, and it was funny because we 68 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: remember we we talked when I interviewed George Klakoff and 69 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: and I asked him about the contracts. That was when 70 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: you first found out that he couldn't even give games 71 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: away for free if he wanted to like that, that 72 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: he can't say because the Pact twelve suffers from an 73 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: availability problem. And when you don't, when you aren't available, 74 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: then it allows other people, conferences, networks, everything to paint 75 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: your narrative about you. But if people if you're a available, 76 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: then people form their own opinions. Now, the PAC twelve 77 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: on the PAC twelve network only available sixteen seventeen million 78 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: homes at this point, whereas the SEC network, a CEC network, 79 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: Big ten network. We're talking sixty million plus homes, eighty 80 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: million in some in in in some cases, this is 81 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: absolutely insane. The lack of availability, which to Pack twelve 82 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: suffers from. And he can't even give the games away 83 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: for free. And now the networks will not be willing 84 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: to renegotiate deals because they know they got you about 85 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: it shortened currlys. They know that they're paying you less. 86 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: You are in the most disadvantageous time slots at night 87 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: where the East Coast doesn't see you. And Ralph and 88 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: Ralph UH loves and they love to get numbers from 89 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: the UH from like flyover cities that Ralph drives through 90 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: in his way to Wyoming where they're on in a 91 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: local bar, which isn't typical anyway. So yeah, but I 92 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: get super super proud of being on UH East Coast 93 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: in an airport or or at the gas station at 94 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: the pump where where they signed with like you know, 95 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: Fubo TV Plus or or or or Caesar's Premium or 96 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: or like Caesar's Premium Southwest. You're like, but for sure, 97 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: for sure can't can't get him on on on Basic 98 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: cable or you t TV to YouTube TV. But you 99 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: know for a fact that we're on Quaker Oats Plus 100 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: somewhere undoubtedly. But no, the reason we're talking about George 101 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: cleaff coff Is he was he The interview that he 102 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: did was on welve eighty the Zone in Salt Lake City, 103 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: and if you're not familiar, you can actually subscribe to 104 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: their Pack twelve related content on Apple. And I listened 105 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: to all the Pac twelve stuff out there, um, whether 106 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: it's podcast of Champions or UM, the No Truck Stops 107 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: or UM, even the locked on you know with with 108 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: Cindy Robinson, UM, and then definitely our friends at twelve 109 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: pack Radio, Like, I listened to all of it. And 110 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: kind of the nice little easter egg is that you 111 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: can subscribe to Pack twelve content from this Salt Lake 112 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: UH station, So if they're interviewing other coaches or media 113 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: members or in this case George Klavkoff, you can you 114 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: can get that content. And I highly encourage people to 115 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: find and listen to this interview because he talked a 116 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: lot about the fact that he didn't think he was 117 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: going to get this job, so he figured why not 118 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: just go in and be honest about the problems that 119 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: the conference is facing. And as it turned out, you know, 120 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: his honesty was such a breath of fresh air for 121 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: the university presidents and the people who were in charge 122 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: of this job search, and ultimately they all agreed with him. 123 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: And by all, um, I'm assuming that all means eleven 124 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: because Michael Crowe was ardent defender of Larry Scott Um 125 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: through the end of his tenure to the point where 126 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: it was Um genuinely coloring Michael Crowe's legacy as president 127 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: of of Arizona State University, that that he would, uh, 128 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: that he would continuously and vociferously back somebody who was 129 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: so inapt and ultimately hurting the conference. But I encourage 130 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: you to go listen to this because he said a 131 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: lot of really interesting things, and I want to get 132 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: your reaction to some of them, uh, George. One of 133 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: which UH was that he and this is one of 134 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: the first people and this why it feels so good 135 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: to have a commissioner like recognized as the grievances. He 136 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: mentioned that it is actually hurting the conference long m 137 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: to have kickoff times that are not kid friendly for 138 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: people who want to pass down the tradition of being 139 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: a fan to their children, which is something that I've 140 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: been screaming about this entire time. I can't get my 141 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: kids interested in something that takes place when they're not 142 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: supposed to be awake, correct, And it ruins my experience 143 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: as both a parent and a fan to try to 144 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: include them. It's like james worse experience as to try 145 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: to put them the sleep during the game. Bro, are 146 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: you kidding me? Now? I've got to miss a little 147 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: bit of the game first of all. So I'm mad, 148 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: and now I get in the fight with my wife 149 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: because I'm yelling at my kid. And now I'm missing 150 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: the game yelling at my kid, and now my kids 151 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: mad at mad at me. This is a disaster. So 152 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: how that that's a great point? How are you supposed 153 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: to pass it down? It's terrible and into during an 154 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: effect that like a sleeping kid weighs three times what 155 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: await kid? Ways? And I don't know why scientistic I 156 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: figured out why that's true yet. But you're tired too. 157 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: You're also you're also up and out doing things at 158 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: an age when when when that hour is not supposed 159 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: to be something that you were participating in social events anymore? 160 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: And think about, as a Pack twelve fan, how much 161 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: more of a commitment that you have to have to 162 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: to loving college football then every other conference has. Because 163 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: I start my saturdays at about halfway through college game day, 164 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: so at about seven thirty seven forty and then I 165 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: watch it all the way through. Um, yeah, I watch 166 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: it all the way through start. So I started seven 167 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: thirty seven. Last Pack twelve game goes off eleven eleven thirty. 168 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: Do you realize that is what a twelve sixteen hour day? Like, 169 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: I have to be a football fan for sixteen hours 170 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: to enjoy all Pack twelve games, plus it gets some 171 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: of the other good games that may start off in 172 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: the morning. Who has sixteen hours to do that? Like 173 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: if I put in sixteen hours, I can't watch football 174 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: on Sunday because then I actually have to at least 175 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: like see my family. So so sixteen hours. So now 176 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: if you're an SEC fan, all you need is about eight. 177 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: You can get eight hours in on a Saturday and 178 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: still complete all the rest of the task that you 179 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: need to complete, so sixteen. You can also go to 180 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: a game. You can go to a game where they 181 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: do make it all about the experience and the legacy 182 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: of it all. Um, you can go to a game, 183 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: have it be a positive experience and then be home, 184 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, at a at a decent hour and get 185 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: up for church the next day, and so you know, 186 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: it's I don't know man to to get to another 187 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: thing he brought I thought was very interesting. Um. He 188 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that when it comes to playoff expansion, one of 189 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: the reasons that he's for it is that the College 190 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: Football Playoff actually created an environment in which it benefited 191 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: the teams that made it earliest because they were able 192 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: to recruit off it. So he thinks the reason there's 193 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: such a large concentration of four and five stars at 194 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: Alabama and Georgia in particular, is because early on in 195 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff they have been included or close 196 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: to it every time. He said that if you expand 197 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: to twelve teams, you're going to expand the ability to 198 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: recruit off of that appearance, which could actually disperse four 199 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: and five star talent amongst more schools and create a 200 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 1: top level parody that we're not seeing right now. What 201 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: do you feel about that comment? Agree with with with 202 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: that because kids want access right now. If now part 203 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: of them wants to win a national championship, all kids 204 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: were not all the majority of them want to be 205 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: a part of really good football teams, right they don't. 206 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: They don't want to lose, so so you're like, Okay, 207 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: where can I win? And then if I have a 208 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: chance to win a national championship, two, that makes it 209 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: a hundred times better. So now instead of concentrating, oh 210 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: my god, I can only win if I go to Alabama, 211 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: only win I go to Georgia. Now, imagine you get 212 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: a recruiting class of kids together. They're like, Yo, we're tight, 213 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: we're cool. We're all going to Oklahoma State. We're all 214 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: going to Arizona. We're all going to all these four 215 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: and five stars. We're all going to Arizona. Forget it. Now, 216 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: if you know that there is an automatic bid to 217 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: the college football Playoff, they're like, Oh, all we gotta 218 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: do is win the conference and we're in. And then 219 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: we'll go show them boys from Georgia, show them boys 220 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: from Alabama, show them boys from Florida or Ohio State, 221 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, Oklahoma, Texas, wherever we'll go show them. So 222 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: I love that he's spot on because the more access 223 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: that that is given, that means that you're gonna have 224 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: kids more willing to stay in their geographical footprint because 225 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: there is a chance to win where they are. So 226 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: so I think that this is gonna be great. That 227 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: the eventual expansion, which is being blocked by the a 228 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: c C right now, is going to get fixed. That 229 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: the that the a c C because they are trying 230 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: to box in Notre Dame and get Notre Dame to 231 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: join the a c C. That ain't gonna work. So 232 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: what do you think? What do but what do you 233 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: think of the actual um reason that they are are 234 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: giving to initially resist, which is that sixteen games is 235 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: too many. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 236 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 237 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart 238 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: Radio app search f s R to listen live. They 239 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: were one of the people who came up with the 240 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: twelve team playoff. Their commissioner is one of the people. 241 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, it's a terrible idea. 242 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: Come on, come on, bro, come on. The TV ratings 243 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: for the semifinal games are down pretty much every year. 244 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: The championship games down every year. Sands the pandemic year 245 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: every single year there down. I wonder, why, oh but 246 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: and will it give us a new champion? Initially no, 247 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: probably not, but you know what it will do. It 248 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: will do what the college football I'm sorry what the 249 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: n C Double A tournament has done for a long time. 250 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: Sixteen team and never be the one seed. And then 251 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: what happened A A sixteen beat a one? They beat 252 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: Virginia and then you have twos have been fifties of 253 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: beat twos multiple times. Fourteens have beat threes a lot, 254 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: uh thirteenes of beat four is a lot fives and 255 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: twelves a lot. You're gonna get more parody and more 256 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: outlier results as the as it continues to grow and build, 257 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: because the margins between three and four star prospects continues 258 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: to get smaller and smaller, and that that means that 259 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: there is more uh like talent in different places. And 260 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: then as the Cincinnatis come up, as the Baylor's come up, 261 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: as all of these other teams that like are not 262 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: traditional blue bloods come come up, you are going to 263 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: have you know, uh talent be able to be dispersed. 264 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: So one of the things that is interesting about this 265 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: is that this is a in addition to a fight 266 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: about Notre Dame for the a c C, this is 267 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: also a TV network fight. So the Big Ten is 268 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: half owned by the by Fox. Fox wants part of 269 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: the Yeah Fox wants part of the college football playoffs. 270 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: They don't want ESPN to dominate the whole thing. CBS 271 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: wants part of it, you have, NBC wants it too. 272 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: So now all of this does wonders for the value 273 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: of the college football Playoff, the bowl series, all of 274 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: all of that, because the more TV networks that are 275 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: invested that in it, they're gonna bid for it. The 276 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: price is gonna go way up. That means college coaches 277 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: prices are gonna go way up. And then also you're 278 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: gonna end up that's gonna be the gotcha gotcha with name, 279 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: image and likeness and the transfer a portal because now 280 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: teams are gonna end up signing players two deals to say, 281 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: all right, cool, you're gonna play in the ball game. 282 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: You're gonna do this, this, this, this is part of 283 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: your contract for your n I L. And I'm not 284 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: mad at it at all. I think that that's the 285 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: optimal way to go. How about you, BRO? I agree? 286 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: I agree. Um, I'm really curious as to what you 287 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: think of one of his other comments, which is the 288 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: one that I think it stood out the most to me. 289 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: He was asked what he thought the Commissioner's office and 290 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: the administrative function of the conference. UM responsibility was as 291 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: far as like healing all of the wounds that this 292 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: camp has developed over time. And he said, it's eight 293 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: twenty on the schools and and he said that the 294 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: twenty is a big twenty, like they've got a lot 295 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: to do UM from from the top down, but that 296 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: ultimately fixing a lot of this is gonna come down 297 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: to investment from the individual schools in basketball and football UM. 298 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: And he pointed to some of the stadium renovations that 299 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: are happening in Salt Lake City and Corvallis UM and 300 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: he he said that that is actually what is going 301 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: to fuel keeping a lot of the talent um that 302 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: is West Coast based from you know, getting uh interceptions 303 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: that seal the national championship for Georgia or you know, 304 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: throwing for three plus yards for Alabama. Yeah, you think 305 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: eight twenty on the schools is a is a correct 306 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: way to to look at it, That that the school 307 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: bear four fifths of the responsibility for the whole that 308 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: we we find ourselves in. Well, yeah, because they kept 309 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: the commissioner employee. But I think that the biggest thing 310 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: is that the schools have to find a way to 311 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: engage their fans and their students, right Because one of 312 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: the things that I've talked to recruits about about, you know, 313 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: when they go on their trips and all of this, 314 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: is the game day atmosphere. And there are places in 315 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: the Pac twelve that have excellent game day atmospheres. You 316 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: have Oregon excellent game day atmosphere, Washington when they're playing well, 317 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: excellent game day atmosphere, Colorado when they're when when their 318 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: fans are feeling good, great game day atmosphere. Um. Who else? 319 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: Oh Utah, Oh my god, great game day is fantastic. Yeah. 320 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: I just I because I've watched I've watched Arizona State 321 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: trend toward making it that I'm a Diamondbacks fan. Um, 322 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: which is the worst thing in the world to be. 323 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: But the thing about the Diamondbacks is, I don't know, 324 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: I enjoy going to a game at Chase Field, like 325 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: it's a nice experience, but it really feels like a 326 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: place for business meetings. That is what Chase Field feels 327 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: like to me. I love going to Coors Field, I 328 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: love all the other different ballparks that I've I've been to, UM, 329 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: but Chase Field more than anything. Feels like a place 330 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: where you take a client right. And I feel like 331 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: Arizona State has been trending so much in that direction 332 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: that they've eliminated a lot of the just the holistic 333 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: fun of of tailgating being with other Arizona State fans 334 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: making an entire day of it, uh in favor of 335 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: appealing to people who have a little bit more resources 336 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: and are more worried about the comfort of their seat 337 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: and the volume of the game being low enough so 338 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: they could close the deal, rather than the people who 339 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: are going to paint themselves all maroon. We're all gold 340 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: and and really cut loose and have a good time. 341 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 1: And I think that that is ultimately to your deutriment, 342 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: because where you actually are getting investment, the investment that 343 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: you're getting doesn't serve your program. You know. They they 344 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: took thirty thou seats out of that stadium to make 345 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: it nicer, and they're having a harder time filling it 346 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: now than they did ten years ago, when all people 347 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: really wanted was to not have to piss in a 348 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: trough and to have a decent cell phone signal so 349 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: that they can be the you know, half in, half 350 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: out partially distracted techno files that we've all become, you know, 351 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: so that you can gamble and check on scores other places, 352 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: and a lot of people just wanted to be able 353 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: to have a beer as well, and they and them 354 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: in a lot of other packtrol schools have added that 355 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: feature um also. But I just feel like, uh, they 356 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: tried to make it buttoned up, and they tried to 357 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: make it um They just tried to make it less 358 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: fun and more appealing to people whose idea of fun 359 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: is to is to multitap by you know, bringing somebody 360 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: along that they're trying to get money out of it. 361 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: I I've I've cautioned against that as much as I 362 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: possibly can. I've had people from Arizona State over the 363 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: last seven eight years, you know, as they're trying to 364 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: collect the money to do the stadium renovation, tell me 365 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: to quit saying stuff like that because it's a delicate process. 366 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: Well guess what I hate. I hate your process. I 367 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: hate it. Why? Why Why would I be more careful 368 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: so you can do a thing that I'd feel like 369 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: is killing the charm of the thing that I love. Yeah, 370 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate what what Arizona State game 371 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: day is becoming an Arizona state is not the only one, right, Like, 372 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: this investment needs to be a long term investment in 373 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: fan experience, accessibility, and um and tradition. You're investing in tradition, 374 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: Like that's what that's what this should all be about. 375 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: And I just feel like that's not necessarily the priority 376 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: of you know, some people just want things to look nice, 377 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: to be out of a you know, the functionality. Can 378 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: people use it and have a good time because it's 379 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: still just college football. I'm living out here on the 380 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: East Coast. Now. Some of these stadiums that I'm going to, 381 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: like the University of North Carolina, which had a top 382 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: twenty five recruiting class the last couple of years, they 383 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: seem to be on the upswing as far as bringing 384 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: in talent. That football stadium is a dump. And I 385 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: had a great time there, a great time because it 386 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: does not matter. It does not matter at all, And 387 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm gonna start freaking out, what's next. 388 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: Let's get off alright. So chip Kelly, he loses a 389 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator in Jerry as An r Oh he quote 390 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: unquote retires and Chip Kelly got a new four in 391 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: your contract. Yeah you ce l A fans are excited. 392 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: They won eight games, got chipped, and now they need 393 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator and that maybe Jimmy Lake that 394 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: ninety minutes to spare on that contract before the buyout 395 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: dropped to zero ninety minutes. Did they did they do 396 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: the right thing? Yes? Yes? What who else were you 397 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: gonna get at this point in time? And then also 398 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: you could have let him coach through the year, but 399 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: that would have been hard to recruit. That would have 400 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: been hard to recruit. So they don't recruit. They don't 401 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: recruit the way that everybody recruits. So it's that's why 402 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: that is that I guarantee you, I guarantee you. Jarming, 403 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: their new athletic director, went to Chip and was like, Yo, 404 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: we have to win and we're gonna do whatever it 405 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: takes to win. Jerry Aznaro, I know he's your boy. 406 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: He gotta go. We have to recruit at a higher level. Chip, 407 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: I understand that you have your process. I bet you 408 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: that was part of the the delay with the contract 409 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: and all of that stuff was making because Chips a 410 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: loyal guy, so he makes sure his guys are taken 411 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: care of. But at the same time, Chip wants to 412 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: win and wants that support. So it was probably a 413 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: discussion how much am I gonna be able to get 414 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: for a defensive coordinator? This and that and mark My 415 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: and we said this months ago, now like two and 416 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 1: a half months ago. Now, when you had Jimmy Lake fired, 417 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: he would be the u c l A defensive coordinator. 418 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: And I can't wait for it to be announced. That'll 419 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: be that'll be interesting. I think it'll be helpful. It'll 420 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: be interesting to see if their styles mesh when it 421 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: comes to recruiting um, because to me, it really feels 422 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: like the u c l A recruiting strategy up to 423 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: this point is scour the country for kids with big 424 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: hands who don't have sleep apnea and then feed them 425 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: lobster for four years, just sticketing lobster and personalized shakes Buddy. Yeah, 426 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: which is a very very interesting way to do things, 427 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: and they've had some success, But there is a talent 428 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: pool that does want to go to u c l 429 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: A that seems to be excluded from the fact that 430 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: they don't have social media adept or people who have 431 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: any interest in in the modern take on gassing up 432 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: athletes to get them excited to come play for your school. 433 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: And you don't have to gas up athletes much to 434 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: get them to want to go to u c l A. 435 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: Playing those uniforms, playing that stadium, be part of that culture. 436 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: It's not as hard as they've kind of set out 437 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: to make it, so it'll be interesting to see if 438 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 1: there's a difference. I do have an interesting Jerry as 439 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: an arrow stat for you as I was looking up 440 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: some of the reasons why it is continued to be 441 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: paying to the obvious that they needed to move on 442 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: from him at defensive coordinator. But only one team in 443 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: the entire pack twelve averaged over two d and fifty 444 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: eight yards passing this year. Only one, and that was 445 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: USC and they were close to three hundred. I believe 446 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: in a lot of that was just the um gimmicky 447 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: offense that they were running. Somehow U c l A managed, 448 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: while still going eight and four to give up an 449 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: average of two hundred and sixty passing yards a game 450 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: every single team they played, and every single team they 451 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: played their yes, Jade and Daniels almost stup for three 452 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: yards against them, and a s U averaged one ninety 453 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: four on the season and that's a team l A one. 454 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: That's a problem. Actually, that's not even a problem. That 455 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: is a that's a catastrophe. Wait did I say that 456 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: U c l A b A s U. Yes, And 457 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: it's kind that happened the year before that and the 458 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: year before that that did not happen this year. That 459 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: was a s u's only win against the winning team UM, 460 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: and then U c l A didn't have a win 461 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: against the winning team, and I think that's also gonna 462 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: be It's part of the progress and upswing um of 463 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's tenure is the fact that you know, you 464 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: look at their schedule next year and they've got uh 465 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: Ding Dong Tech and McDonald's Hamburger College in the dude, 466 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: U c l A is playing their UM there their 467 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: first their their first uh FCS school ever this season. Bro, 468 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: this is not I mean, this is the SEC model 469 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: and I and I hate it, and I absolutely hate it. 470 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: Because they played Bowling Green Alabama State and then South Alabama, Okay, 471 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: which they have to like, they have to win or 472 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna end up firing a guy that they extended 473 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: US road games that they have all year four. Yep, 474 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: they have four road games, Bro, four, they're about to 475 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: set some attendance records, not by uh total but by 476 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: season long volume. Are all No, you don't think so, no, Bro, 477 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: because because they have some of the seats covered up, 478 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: and the rose Bolt used to be full all the time, 479 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: Like when when when I was in high school and going, 480 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: it was full from the from the router to the tutor. 481 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,959 Speaker 1: And we're a game. So you're talking about ninety thousand 482 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: people times six games a year or seven games a year. 483 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: Now they have eight this season. It's still ain't gonna 484 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: break the attendance record. We haven't talked about year five 485 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: of Dorian Thompson Robinson yet. How do you feel about 486 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: his decision to come back, because I was a little 487 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: bit taken back in that I don't I don't feel 488 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of quarterback talent in this year's 489 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: NFL draft. I feel like there's talent, really deep talent 490 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: in almost every position but quarterback. And I feel like 491 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: if he was gonna leave, this would be the year 492 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: to do it, to try to um to try to 493 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: fit in somewhere amongst the lack of notable arm talent 494 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: that's out there. But you like that he's coming back. 495 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,719 Speaker 1: Why do you like that he's coming back? Dude? This 496 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: because he has the opportunity to be a first round pick. 497 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: And that is not hyperbolic at all because if you 498 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: look at Dorian Thompson Robinson year after year, he's gotten 499 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: better every single season. And he's a kid that only 500 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: started one one season in high school one season, so 501 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: he hasn't played a ton of football. So the idea 502 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: that he would get more football under his belt. If 503 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: you notice he stopped as many heads scratching, you know, 504 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: bad bad decisions. He makes better decisions year after year, 505 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: and with a good season this year, people will see 506 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: that marked improvement and say, oh wow, this is a 507 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: kid that we can build with. Yes, he's twenty two 508 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: years old or twenty three years old coming into the league. 509 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: Who cares. Is he a good quarterback? Absolutely, to a 510 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: good leader. Absolutely, he's gonna have a an absolute um 511 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: like like if he has a good Sea first round pick, 512 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: mark my words, that is quite a prediction. I'm really 513 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing he has progressed every single year. Um, 514 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: but I do think that USC game is still fresh 515 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: in people's minds, which if that's the only time you 516 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: ever saw him, you would think that he's Lamar Jackson. 517 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: So you know it'll be it'll be interesting. The one 518 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: thing that we don't want to do is use the 519 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: H word because that is like immediate death for any 520 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: Pack twelve player. Uh. If you say that they're going 521 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: to be an H word contender, then they're guaranteed to 522 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: absolutely yeah, don't, don't, don't, don't do it. That's an 523 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: absolute wrong thing to do saying that they are a 524 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: in H word Heisman contender. Do not say that word 525 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: around a Pack twelve player because because if you do, 526 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: the bottoms falling out, especially there if they're at the 527 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: quarterback position in the pack twelve out. I'm looking at you, 528 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: Keaton Slovis and Khalil Tate and Jan and Daniels. Yeah, bro, 529 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: that that is not the move at all. Fox Sports 530 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 531 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot 532 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f 533 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: s R to listen live. But u c l A 534 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: had Caleb Williams on campus over a week ago, he 535 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: has not made his decision despite his wide receiver um 536 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: deciding to go to Mario Williams deciding to go to USC. 537 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: For people who don't know who Caleb Williams is, and 538 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: assuming that some of the listeners might not who is 539 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. He well, he was the starting quarterback at Oklahoma, 540 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: which was you know, he's the kid who took the 541 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: job from Spencer Rattler, who was a Heisman favorite, projected 542 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: to go top ten in the NFL draft. Now he's 543 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: at South Carolina and Caleb Williams is still at well 544 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: is entered the transfer portal after an amazing, outstanding UH 545 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: freshman season. And now this is something that I don't 546 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: think that kids all that they fully understand what this 547 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: name imaging likeness thing. There is so much value and 548 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: being attached to a university one right, a place where 549 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: you call home. You will always be employed, you will 550 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: get business deals. If you go to the NFL, you 551 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: will be loved like beloved like. There's value in that 552 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: that I don't think the kids always see that you 553 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,479 Speaker 1: can become one of the hometown heroes, even if that's 554 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: not your hometown. They will embrace you. And so Caleb 555 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: Williams is flirting with USC because that's where his head coach, 556 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley went. But if he doesn't go to USC, 557 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: bro what does this mean? Because if he decided to 558 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: go to u c l A, right Dorrian Thompson Robinson, 559 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 1: I don't think would want to stay there if they 560 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: took him, so then what the hell would would would 561 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: he do? I don't even know, Like that would be 562 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: mind blowing. The NFL draft declared date the latest is Friday, 563 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: So if Caleb Williams pushes this out, and then also 564 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: he's got to start classes at some of these schools, 565 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: so he may I think he already missed a date 566 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: for u c l A. But some of these other schools. 567 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: You basically have until Friday or Monday on some of 568 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: these schools, so he has to make a decision. This 569 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: is this is not like this is becoming a time 570 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: issue as opposed to anything else. I think, uh, it's interesting. 571 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: It really feels like it's between Oklahoma in USC. I 572 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: don't think there's any other contenders. Are there? Who? Who? Who? 573 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: Who the hell knows? Right right right right right? And 574 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: I think that it would be a wild situation for 575 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: him to commit to to u c l A. Because 576 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what I would do in 577 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: that in that case, he wouldn't come in unless the 578 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: assumption is that it's going to be an open competition. 579 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not a big believer in Miller Moss. 580 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: Um that may come back to bite me. I think 581 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: he's a dink and nunk quarterback, which there are systems 582 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: in which that can be extremely successful. And uh, and 583 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure that this Lincoln Riley system is 584 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: is what's gonna put Miller Moss over the top, but 585 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: I think he is smart to stick around to find 586 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: out if he if he can do it to compete 587 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: in spring. I think that if Caleb Williams comes in 588 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: already knowing the system, then that's some but that you 589 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: probably got a roll with and and and I think 590 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: that that could, uh, you know, make for some electricity 591 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: in the pact. Well South make them good right away, 592 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: even though they have had like twenty guys hit the portal, 593 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: so they're really turning their roster over from top to 594 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: bottom stone who knows how good they'll be headed in 595 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: the next year. They did just add Brendan Rice out 596 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: of Colorado, which I think is a really good addition. 597 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: You bring up Mario Williams, I think that they are 598 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: going to be able to field a dangerous football team. 599 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: I just don't know if they're going to have all 600 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 1: the pieces in place to be a team that's competing 601 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: for for any titles next year, even with um the 602 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: addition of Caleb Williams if they get him. But but 603 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: you look at the fact that Oklahoma had Shubb up 604 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: pretty out for a visit and didn't take him. You 605 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: look at them, You look at the fact that Oklahoma 606 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: is dancing around the idea of bringing all in Jackson 607 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: dart Um. You know, they're battling with old miss for 608 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: his services. But I don't I don't think that they're 609 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 1: gonna take anybody. Totally know what Caleb Williams is doing 610 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: because shovel Party ended up committing to Nebraska. So you know, 611 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: there's a really really interesting situation that's going on right now. 612 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: I would like to see the best available players be 613 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: in the back twelve, So I'm rooting for the USC 614 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: thing to work out. But it'll it'll be interesting to 615 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: see what they do. If you know, do they do 616 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: they dip back into the portal for whoever's left, or 617 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: do they try to lure Jackson dart back if they 618 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: can't get Caleb Williams um locked in m that's the 619 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: but like it could be too late. That's the thing 620 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: about it is that it could be too late. You 621 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: you may have gone down the street where you've hurt feelings. 622 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: Because if you're Jackson Dart, you feel like, oh wow, 623 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: I'm I'm in. I'm an afterthought. You you you want 624 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: to bring somebody else in, and then he decides to 625 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 1: do something else, so now you want want me back, nah, homie, 626 00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: Like like, oh, so we were in a relationship, you know, 627 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,479 Speaker 1: we get a new roommate. Now you want to break 628 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: up with me, and then and then you're trying to 629 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: date this other person and then they don't want to 630 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: date you no more. I'm I say I'm moving out. 631 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: I put in my you know, my uh my two 632 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: week notice and then you and then they don't they 633 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: don't decide to date you. So you're like, oh no, 634 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, no, please come back because you 635 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: need a roommate to split part of this rent. So 636 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: like you could be too far down the road. Yeah, yeah, 637 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: it could be. UM. So let's talk about some of 638 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: these other high profile transfer portal moves. UM in the conference, 639 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: which will lead us to a conversation about the one 640 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: school that seems to uh not be paying for its 641 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: twenty one season um and having success to despite what 642 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: they what they put on the field. Um. But a 643 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: few of these are really interesting to me. We have 644 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 1: Cal bringing in a quarterback in Jack Plumber, the brother 645 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: of Arizona's Will Plumber. He is a big body. He 646 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of Tyler Chuck. Um, big body, 647 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: big arm. Uh. They just finished, you know, four years 648 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: of Chase Garber's, who is sort of an undersized, gritty 649 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: heart guy. This is stylistic change if they end up 650 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: rolling with with um Jack Plumber. So I ask you 651 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: what would it have looked like if Tyler Chuck had 652 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: been the quarterback at Cal? Because that's kind of the 653 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: level that I put Jack Plumber on m M instead 654 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: of instead of Chase Garber's. If they had had a 655 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: big bodied six five uh pocket passer, even though that's 656 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: not how Oregon used him, and that's also how he 657 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: got hurt at Texas Tech. Um. But somebody that can 658 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: just it back in the pocket and drop. No. That no, 659 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: because that's not how Cal played football. They use Chase 660 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: Garber's legs a lot, so I don't think that that's 661 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,720 Speaker 1: what they want. Okay, so another big time transfer, Uh, 662 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: Michael Peenix Jr. Comes from Washington, Washington, and I know 663 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: that this despite everyone thinking that you're Washington hater all 664 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: the time, you objectively believe that this is one of 665 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: the biggest impact transfers in the conference. Bit far. Yes, 666 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: because he's a competent quarterback. You don't have to be 667 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: mad at who who's the kid that started there the 668 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: last two seasons, the kid with the tight chin chin strap. 669 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: It made me so Morris, Yes, Dylan Morris looking at him, 670 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: it makes me. It doesn't make me as mad as 671 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: Jaden Jade Daniels having adjustice helmet ever after every single play. 672 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: But but it's saying the helmets is somewhere between Dylan 673 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: Morris and Jaden Daniels. Correct, that's optimal, but optimal because 674 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: Dylan Morris is so tight you can like like it 675 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: distorts his face. He doesn't even look like the same 676 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: person when he when he takes his helmet off. And 677 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,240 Speaker 1: then Hewert he looked like he was throwing balloon balls 678 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: in the Washington State game. So you can't feel confident 679 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 1: about him. If you're Caleb Dubor who was at my 680 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: kids school yesterday, shook his hand, asked him if he 681 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: would be willing to come to dub Hey, what does 682 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: your son do in that circumstance. Uh, my dad wants 683 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: the best thing for me. He wants me to go 684 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: to the best place for me. That is that is 685 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: that is that is what we tell everybody. Okay, okay. 686 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: Uh And then we've watched on this before. Do I 687 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: believe that you want your son to go to the 688 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: best place for him? Yes, I do believe that that's true. 689 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: I think that if Lincoln Riley had taken the Washington 690 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: job and he was on your son, I think that 691 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: you let some of those bygones be bygones. I would, 692 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: I would, I would. So we'll see, we'll see who 693 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: and what Kalin Divor is. It would it would take 694 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: a lot more doing, I will say that it would. 695 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: It would take some extra you know, some some extra cooking, 696 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: but it's not impossible. Do you feel, um, this is 697 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: a this is a weird question. We get a little 698 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: personal here. Do you feel it is better to be 699 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: in a situation like you're in right now where Damon 700 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,720 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily want for anything, Like you guys aren't taking 701 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,280 Speaker 1: private jets every weekend. But he's not in a position 702 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 1: where he's going to look at aniel money as a 703 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: decide factor in his initial college commitment. Do you think 704 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: that that's a better position to be in, Yes, because 705 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: I think that that allows you to make a better 706 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: a better decision in that in that you're doing what's 707 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: best for you and your future and letting the N 708 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: I O money take care of itself, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, no, 709 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,720 Speaker 1: I feel you. I follow a I follow a certain 710 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: pack twelve athlete who has a professional athletes sibling um 711 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: on social media, follow their whole family on social media. 712 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: And they did not come from money. They were dead 713 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,439 Speaker 1: broke a few years back, and a lot of their 714 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,919 Speaker 1: decisions have been completely influenced by like what is going 715 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: to make sure that we never eat raman again? And 716 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: THO don't necessarily add up to the best professional and 717 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,720 Speaker 1: collegiate decisions in my opinions as an outside observer, because 718 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: that almost every everything that they do is to secure 719 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: the most immediate bag um. And yeah, I just I 720 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: wonder what the what the advantage is going to be 721 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 1: for kids who actually get to look at it from 722 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: the perspective of like, hey, what's actually the best situation 723 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: for me? Instead of you know, what will keep what'll 724 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 1: keep my my my parents? Um uh, having the ability 725 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: to fly out to see my games. M hmm. Well 726 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: back to the transfer, because I know we talked about 727 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: this uh on another show, but I wonder, since you've 728 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 1: had some time to digest it, with all the quarterbacks 729 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: that are jumping around all over the country, how are 730 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: you feeling about bo Nicks to Oregon? You you had 731 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: to go there, It didn't you you had, we got 732 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: we gotta talk about the things, the fact old things. 733 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 1: So yes, I am okay with bow Nick's going to 734 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: to Oregon. Initially I was not excited about it, to 735 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: be to be perfectly honest with you, I was not 736 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: excited about it. However, doesn't What I want to know is, 737 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: does it create additional feelings? Every time you know that 738 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 1: Oregon locked themselves into a new competitor for the quarterback position, 739 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: and then you see Jackson Dart going the portal, and 740 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: then you see Kayleb Williams going to the portal? Does 741 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: it stir that stuff up every single time? Knowing that 742 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: there's still stuff available. Um, and the Oregon is kind 743 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: of set and moved on toward other things. No, I 744 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: think that that is that that that in and of 745 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: itself is a is a fool's proposition is to try 746 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: to sit up and and you know, and Monday morning quarterback, like, oh, 747 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: what what I want? Is this the right thing? Am I? Am? 748 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: I getting the right thing? You know? Do I do? 749 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 1: Do I want to wait and see who comes in? No? Man, 750 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:18,320 Speaker 1: just just uh, just get what you want and move 751 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 1: from there. Like the the idea that you would consistently 752 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: try to you know, do like like, no, what if 753 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: somebody else becomes available? How can you have a relationship 754 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: like like that? You have to be consent content at 755 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,439 Speaker 1: some point point in time, I feel you. So let's 756 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: talk about one of the more interesting transfers which set 757 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,319 Speaker 1: off another one. Uh, Cameron Ward to Washington State, an 758 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator coming in and bringing his quarterback with him. 759 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: Uh from the FCS level, but in what was a 760 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: very prolific offense. Do you think that will be an 761 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: upgrade over what they had? Impact Hold Freshman of the 762 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: Year Jade Delora, who has moved on to Arizona. Huh, 763 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: Now that's gonna be an interesting situation because Jaden Delora 764 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: has been good for the most part, right, but then 765 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: he did have some clunkers, some up and down games. 766 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: So if they can get more consistency, then yes, And 767 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,359 Speaker 1: then also there were some issues with last season with 768 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,959 Speaker 1: eligibility that wasn't talked about and all of that. So 769 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 1: maybe that they are going to that's a win for 770 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: them because they're not gonna have to worry about their 771 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: quarterback position, whether he's gonna be eligible, whether he's gonna, 772 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, like have up and down games. Maybe like 773 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,760 Speaker 1: getting some more consistency will be better for Washington State, 774 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:50,320 Speaker 1: and a change of scenery for uh, for Jaden Delora 775 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 1: can be a win as well. Do you think do 776 00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 1: you think Jaden Dolora is like it's already decided day 777 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,240 Speaker 1: one starter. Otherwise he wouldn't have made the move because 778 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: they have three quarterbacks who started games last year who 779 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 1: are still enrolled at the school, plus a very talented 780 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,879 Speaker 1: quarterback coming in from the high school ranks who you've 781 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,879 Speaker 1: gotten to see in person. Um, Is this in any 782 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: way a competition or are we expecting Jaden de Lord 783 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: to step in be the guy from from day one? 784 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: There in Tucson. Oh, I expect him to be the 785 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: guy because he's an experienced quarterback. So you always have 786 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 1: to lean towards the experienced guy winning the job. But 787 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: is it a possibility that the kid from uh from 788 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: survey that he ends up playing at some point in 789 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: time freshman freshman year? Noah, that's a possibility. That kid 790 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: is good, good, he's he's about five ft nothing. But 791 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 1: guess what, this kid can absolutely sling it. He's confident, 792 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: he's mobile. So but do expect Jaden to win the 793 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 1: job though, and and now, and speaking of Arizona, everything 794 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:13,400 Speaker 1: that they're doing, like the momentum in recruiting. They just 795 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,359 Speaker 1: signed their highest ranked recruit of all time in t MAC, 796 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 1: the wide receiver from survey. They're hot on the transfer portal. 797 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: What the hell is this dude Jed Fish doing with 798 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 1: these with this it's personal thing, despite what the who's 799 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,719 Speaker 1: who's the mode over at Arizona State that said he 800 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: was gonna get fired signing all these three stars when 801 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 1: when Arizona State should should should have taken his recruiting model. 802 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,320 Speaker 1: All right, So that was Chris Cartman and things have Okay, 803 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: So some background on this tweet that makes the rounds 804 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: every single time Arizona gets any type of recruit, and 805 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna defend Chris Cartman, even though he was uh 806 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: not very kind to me in the pro sess of 807 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,920 Speaker 1: protesting him posting this tweet, um he was. What he 808 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,800 Speaker 1: was referring to was that if if big, if University 809 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,479 Speaker 1: of Arizona's focus was going to be in the state 810 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: of Arizona, then that ultimately was going to result in 811 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,840 Speaker 1: the demise of jet Fish. Obviously, since then we found 812 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,399 Speaker 1: out that that jet Fish is working those phones all 813 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: the time and the same thing that he did to 814 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 1: get this Arizona job against all odds, he's putting the 815 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: same energy into recruiting every single day, and he's created 816 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 1: some excitement there. And honestly, like as somebody who went 817 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,880 Speaker 1: to Arizona State, as somebody who grew up in the 818 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 1: Territorial Cup rivalry, as somebody who like bought into the 819 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,080 Speaker 1: rivalry so hard that like I never even ventured to 820 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 1: Tucson for any reason until like my thirtieth birthday. The 821 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: truth of the matter is, the actual truth of the 822 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 1: matter is now having covered high school football and Tucson 823 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: extensively for the last six seven years. It actually would 824 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,800 Speaker 1: be a pretty cool place to go be a football 825 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,560 Speaker 1: player for four years because it is a big city 826 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: that has a small town feel to it, has um, 827 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, a very very unique uh culture and landscape, 828 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,319 Speaker 1: and there are actually ardent supporters of this football team 829 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,120 Speaker 1: despite the fact that they've been largely disappointing for the 830 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,800 Speaker 1: last two plus decades. So um, you know, he was 831 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,120 Speaker 1: able to go in there and create some some excitement, uh, 832 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,280 Speaker 1: create some connections, and he he's one of these guys, George, 833 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: that he coached with like every staff in the country 834 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,640 Speaker 1: at some point, and he left all of those places 835 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,600 Speaker 1: on good terms with connections that he is using to 836 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: like his advantage. Yeah, getting Teddy bruce Ki involved, getting 837 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski involved, you know, bringing in people to make 838 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: it uh, to make them still feel like college kids 839 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 1: coming in every Wednesday to talk to them about life 840 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: and ray sen social issues. And he's actually providing an 841 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 1: edgy He's doing really good things. And I laughed at 842 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,879 Speaker 1: this higher but the whole Chris Cartman tweet was really 843 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: about if he was just getting who he could get 844 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,960 Speaker 1: from the state of Arizona, then it was gonna be disastrous, 845 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,239 Speaker 1: but that is not what he is he is doing. 846 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: And even when they were really bad, he's still got 847 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: a commitment from from key On Gray's who ended up 848 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: flipping to Ohio State. But you know that was one 849 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,920 Speaker 1: of the most talented receivers the state of Arizona has 850 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 1: had in quite a few years, and and you know 851 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,280 Speaker 1: he was able to make some headway there as well. 852 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,800 Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is he's just taking this seriously. 853 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,839 Speaker 1: And now that Chris Cartman tweet is gonna get brought 854 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: up all the time. And I thought it was a 855 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 1: dick move in in the moment that he did it, 856 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:47,439 Speaker 1: because he was undercutting tight ends commitment from Phoenix who 857 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,759 Speaker 1: had no reason to be catching strays. He was just 858 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,240 Speaker 1: living out his dream of trying to become a um, 859 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, a college football player, and I thought that 860 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,239 Speaker 1: that was like incredibly low class of a thing to do. 861 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,600 Speaker 1: So it doesn't bother me that he gets dragged every 862 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,359 Speaker 1: single time this happens. But if we're being honest about 863 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 1: the context of what Chris Cartman was trying to say, 864 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 1: um Jetfish has leveled up since that point. He is 865 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: getting kids that they that a one and eleven teams 866 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,680 Speaker 1: should have no business getting and not only through recruiting, 867 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 1: but the transfer portal as well, which I guess is 868 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: its own form of um of recruiting. But they're having 869 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,080 Speaker 1: guys that are gonna come in. They're gonna start on 870 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,160 Speaker 1: the offensive line, the defensive line, at receiver, like they're 871 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,560 Speaker 1: they're getting really really good players and so, um, you know, 872 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: they could flirt with five hundred next year, which you know, 873 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,759 Speaker 1: I'm sure that, yeah, yes, there's people that wouldn't be 874 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: impressed by that. But to me to go from one 875 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,360 Speaker 1: and eleven, which really should have been owing twelve, um, 876 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,080 Speaker 1: to go from back to back what I consider to 877 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,160 Speaker 1: still be winless seasons. I think that COVID game was 878 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: a travesty with cal shouldn't have been played. Um, But 879 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,399 Speaker 1: like to go from those two seasons in a row 880 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: to like a legitimate possibility of flirting with the Bowl 881 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,279 Speaker 1: eligible reality is it's gonna be a real wake up 882 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,040 Speaker 1: call for the Pactole South And if he can keep 883 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,360 Speaker 1: on that trajectory, they could end up being very dangerous. 884 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 1: Now if he's able to get them BULL eligible and 885 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: then he's he's able to get them to nine wins 886 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: a year after that does he stick around in Tucson, 887 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,400 Speaker 1: No idea, But anything is better than things were under someone. 888 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 1: It's weird, right. The thing I think about jet Fishes 889 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:29,880 Speaker 1: is that is that it feels to me like he's 890 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,240 Speaker 1: a guy who is like that he got his opportunity. 891 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,600 Speaker 1: I don't think he would leave just that quickly. I 892 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 1: don't think he has the feel to me of a 893 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:47,839 Speaker 1: guy who could could win over a city and then 894 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,839 Speaker 1: like shape a culture for a decade. Yeah, don't try 895 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,280 Speaker 1: to bigger better deal people, dude, Like that's the that's 896 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,160 Speaker 1: the main thing. Do not try to bigger, better or 897 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 1: deal people. But when you spend that much time at 898 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,240 Speaker 1: the kids table, when you know you've been an assistant 899 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,960 Speaker 1: that long for that many people, sometimes that mindset of 900 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: like all right, it's time to get mine. Sometimes it's 901 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,799 Speaker 1: hard to shake that mindset. You know. We saw it 902 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,400 Speaker 1: in Jane Norvell going from Nevada to Colorado State in 903 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 1: what is definitely a step down in stature but a 904 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: huge step up in pay right, Like, so it's it's 905 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,040 Speaker 1: possible that that's that's what he's able to parlay out 906 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: of this whole thing. But I think that when you 907 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,319 Speaker 1: when your personality when you're you don't want to Peter 908 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 1: Principal yourself correct. And a lot of these coaches do 909 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 1: that to themselves, not promoted to their highest level of incompetency, 910 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,959 Speaker 1: but actually reaching above their level of competency for the payday, 911 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,280 Speaker 1: or just saying listen, I'm not gonna go to the best. 912 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean like I gotta go to the biggest place, 913 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:57,080 Speaker 1: instead of saying no, I'm gonna do what uh Luke 914 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,319 Speaker 1: Fickle's doing. I'm gonna do what Matt camp Well is 915 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: that I'm going to build it here. Yeah, I agree, 916 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,960 Speaker 1: And it has been very interesting. Um, they are not 917 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,040 Speaker 1: there now that Arizona State has has begun to get 918 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,560 Speaker 1: some um some transfer portal action, Arizona is not the 919 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 1: only one. Um. And so let's talk about the fact 920 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,320 Speaker 1: that we asked and asked and asked for Jaden Daniels 921 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,000 Speaker 1: to have some type of competition and all of a sudden, 922 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:33,720 Speaker 1: Bryce Young's backup hits the portal and commits to Arizona State. 923 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:41,560 Speaker 1: So is this is this a competition? Is this a competition? 924 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 1: Because I from all my time that I've spent around 925 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,440 Speaker 1: Arizona State, I'm gonna say no, I'm gonna say that 926 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,800 Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels would not have returned unless there was 927 00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 1: some type of UM assurance. Says that he was going 928 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,439 Speaker 1: to be uh, you know, the guy, and they weren't 929 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,240 Speaker 1: going to try to recruit over him. And so, you know, 930 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,080 Speaker 1: because he could still jump in the portal if he 931 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,000 Speaker 1: wanted to, and there would be plenty of suitors. But 932 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 1: Paul Tyson, the great grandson of Paul Bear Bryant, comes over. Uh, 933 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,560 Speaker 1: the number ten rated four star in the class of 934 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 1: UM UH two thousand nineteen, the number ten pocket passer 935 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: in the class of nineteen. According to rivals, Jane Daniels 936 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,320 Speaker 1: was the number two dual threat in that class. Uh. 937 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that Jade Daniels is going to receive 938 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 1: any type of push or as Paul Tyson coming in 939 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: with the understanding that he is competing for number two? Okay, 940 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,480 Speaker 1: just the fact that they won't allow Jaden to be coached. Bro, 941 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,440 Speaker 1: he's not gonna be competing, but he should be. He 942 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,400 Speaker 1: should be. Everybody should be. And what's interesting is that 943 00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,360 Speaker 1: I was always under the impression that Arizona State Chris 944 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,680 Speaker 1: Hawkins said this. And we'll get to Chris Hawkins in 945 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 1: a minute, because I really want to get your take 946 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,360 Speaker 1: on this. Chris Hawkins gave an interview with Brad Denny 947 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 1: where he said that their transfer portal philosophy is to 948 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,600 Speaker 1: not go after anyone that they don't see playing immediately. 949 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:22,000 Speaker 1: That's probably a really good move. So they just brought 950 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:27,320 Speaker 1: in a quarterback. Mhm, Listen, who knows what Arizona States 951 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,120 Speaker 1: philosophy is. It keeps changing, it changes. If we're gonna 952 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna take back to what we're gonna dominate California 953 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 1: that pass, Okay, we're going national. That way, we can 954 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,439 Speaker 1: finish in every kids top five and not laying any 955 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,040 Speaker 1: of them. We're not any of our coaches offer any 956 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,440 Speaker 1: prospects unless it goes through our committee first, and then 957 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden that's not the case anymore, you know. 958 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 1: They Yeah, they they have changed so much about what 959 00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,960 Speaker 1: they were supposed to be when Herm Edwards came in. 960 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,720 Speaker 1: And big part of that is that her Edwards was 961 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 1: not plugged into the college experience, nor was he prepared 962 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,640 Speaker 1: for it. So he had to rely really heavily on delegation, 963 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 1: and that delegation um that he shows, whether it was 964 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,760 Speaker 1: assistance that he kept on or assistance that he brought 965 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 1: in has repeatedly come to you know, back around to 966 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,840 Speaker 1: affect the program negatively, I guess. But then you know, 967 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 1: so then you have the schools that have not brought 968 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,840 Speaker 1: in a transfer quarterback, because the University of Utah seems 969 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,720 Speaker 1: to be set um with with what they have. The 970 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,320 Speaker 1: University of Colorado brought in J. T. Shroud last year, 971 01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,000 Speaker 1: but then he missed the year hurt, so they technically 972 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 1: feel like they're getting a grad transfer um in J. T. Shroud. 973 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,360 Speaker 1: And then the really interesting one to me is Oregon State. 974 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,600 Speaker 1: Oregon State, to me, I feel like as a quarterback 975 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,960 Speaker 1: away from chasing at ten win season and they're not. 976 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,160 Speaker 1: I mean the age they it feels like they jumped 977 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 1: in on the Jackson Dart sweep stakes, but they don't 978 01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:01,919 Speaker 1: really have a chance there. I mean, but do they though? So, Ralph, 979 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,400 Speaker 1: you brought up as you and there's something you forgot 980 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:11,080 Speaker 1: about Mr Hawkins, right, Yeah, So Chris Hawkins was one 981 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,840 Speaker 1: of the three coaches that was put on leave um 982 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,640 Speaker 1: along with tight ends coach Adam Brenneman and wide receiver's 983 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: coach Prentice Skill. Um. You you, as a as a 984 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Oregon fan, have your own history with with Apprentice gill Um. 985 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,960 Speaker 1: But you actually when this news broke you you were 986 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,880 Speaker 1: going back and forth with Chris Hawkins dad Um him 987 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,880 Speaker 1: saying that he didn't, you know, think this was gonna 988 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,640 Speaker 1: be a big deal, and you knowing that his son 989 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,880 Speaker 1: was probably gonna be involved in it, and the whole 990 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,440 Speaker 1: thing was very, very awkward. Um. But these three assistant 991 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,240 Speaker 1: coaches at Arizona State have just been on paid leave, 992 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,560 Speaker 1: not really knowing what the next thing is gonna be 993 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:57,880 Speaker 1: um for the longest time, and it ends up getting announced. 994 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,920 Speaker 1: And I knew somebody who actually interviewed for the DB's 995 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,560 Speaker 1: job at a s U, and we had talked about 996 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,000 Speaker 1: it on this podcast that they were interviewing. But I 997 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,280 Speaker 1: ended up getting announced on January that Arizona State was 998 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,400 Speaker 1: hiring the corners coach away from University of Missouri, Aaron Fletcher. 999 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:19,960 Speaker 1: And this is where it gets interesting. Aaron Fletcher. The 1000 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:24,560 Speaker 1: higher was announced by Pete Famil of all people, the 1001 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,320 Speaker 1: person who, in in conjunction with you, yourself and Doug 1002 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Holler all initially put this out in the first place. 1003 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,680 Speaker 1: Which so one thing is like Aaron Fletcher read the room. 1004 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 1: If you leaked the higher enable of all the people. 1005 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,720 Speaker 1: Dear God, dude, what are you doing? Um? Second of all, 1006 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:49,680 Speaker 1: Pete Samiel uh just left Yahoo this week, right, which 1007 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,720 Speaker 1: begs the question is there a chance that Pete famil 1008 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,720 Speaker 1: lets up on a su a little bit? Because ESPN 1009 01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:02,520 Speaker 1: has been notoriously overly friendly toward HERM Edwards as a 1010 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:07,040 Speaker 1: former employee, He's beloved there um to the point where 1011 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:11,440 Speaker 1: they have probably under reported on this story. Uh. But 1012 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,080 Speaker 1: now the primary reporter of this story is an ESPN employee, 1013 01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 1: So that will be something interesting to watch from here 1014 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 1: on out. The third thing, and probably the most interesting thing, 1015 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 1: and the thing that you were getting at, was exactly 1016 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,160 Speaker 1: seventy minutes after this news broke, Chris Hawkins got on 1017 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,400 Speaker 1: Twitter and tweeted a gift of omar from the Wire 1018 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:38,640 Speaker 1: in the testifying scene when he dimes everybody, dude, he 1019 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:44,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't even dress to testify. What what are we supposed 1020 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,200 Speaker 1: to make of that? What? You what do you mean? 1021 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,240 Speaker 1: He loves the Wire man, he loves He's a huge 1022 01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,520 Speaker 1: Wire fan. It's not that he's gonna go snitch when 1023 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,920 Speaker 1: he talks to the n C double A. That's not 1024 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:03,200 Speaker 1: what he's talking about. So the so him him coincidentally, 1025 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,880 Speaker 1: and he has reacted emotionally through gifts through like every 1026 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,080 Speaker 1: single news leak that happens at a s U, including 1027 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,360 Speaker 1: players that he helped recruit, transferring out or decommitting um. 1028 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 1: This seems to be in line with with with all 1029 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,920 Speaker 1: of that. You don't think him tweeting a picture of 1030 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,680 Speaker 1: of omar Um singing telling on everybody. You don't think 1031 01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,960 Speaker 1: that should concern Arizona State. Of course it's should, of 1032 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:36,160 Speaker 1: course it's should, but dude, listen, listen. They they know 1033 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,600 Speaker 1: at this point that there's not anything that is that 1034 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,600 Speaker 1: they can do about it, that they're just gonna have 1035 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,400 Speaker 1: to fight this and take what they can. And it's interesting. 1036 01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:52,240 Speaker 1: Michael crow Uh, Michael Crowe, Arizona State's president, said he 1037 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,560 Speaker 1: wasn't going for this. He wasn't going any of that 1038 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,640 Speaker 1: round Like, come on, come on, man, come on, if 1039 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,480 Speaker 1: you don't get out of here. A lot of people 1040 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,960 Speaker 1: are upset with Michael Crowe right now because they believe 1041 01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,840 Speaker 1: that he unnecessarily put all three of these coaches on 1042 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,600 Speaker 1: paid leave when you know, the n C double A 1043 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,280 Speaker 1: probably won't look at that as having done enough. When 1044 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:23,720 Speaker 1: those three guys are in all likelihood, like nine percent 1045 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:31,000 Speaker 1: likelihood skategoats anyway, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, bro. Fox Sports Radio 1046 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,880 Speaker 1: has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch 1047 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,320 Speaker 1: all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com 1048 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,000 Speaker 1: and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f s 1049 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,240 Speaker 1: R to listen live. Do you think it was the 1050 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,720 Speaker 1: right move? What would you have done if you were 1051 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,760 Speaker 1: the president of Arizona State University at that time? Well, 1052 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,440 Speaker 1: at that time, I'm not doing anything because I can't 1053 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,000 Speaker 1: mess up football season. That's a moneymaker, so I can't. 1054 01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,400 Speaker 1: But after the season, we gotta figure out a wave 1055 01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,800 Speaker 1: away forward. But the but the big this issue is 1056 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,400 Speaker 1: this is that you can't is that you're not gonna 1057 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:09,480 Speaker 1: be able to get people to take this job. That's 1058 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,400 Speaker 1: the issue is that with so many unknowns, you're not 1059 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,720 Speaker 1: gonna be able to hire a quality head coach. So 1060 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,320 Speaker 1: you actually have to find out what's coming down the 1061 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,560 Speaker 1: pipeline first and then you can hire a coach. So 1062 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,520 Speaker 1: I think that that a s U is not going 1063 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,320 Speaker 1: to make a move until they figure out what's coming 1064 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:33,280 Speaker 1: down the pipeline. Right. Meanwhile, Prentice guilt Twitter account is locked, 1065 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:40,720 Speaker 1: his photo is black, His background photo is black. And yeah, 1066 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:46,680 Speaker 1: so interesting times for sure. Um, I think the Arizona 1067 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,400 Speaker 1: State probably should have stood by these people since, um 1068 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,080 Speaker 1: they were acting at the best of their bosses in 1069 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,400 Speaker 1: my opinion. We'll see how it all plays out. Um, 1070 01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:59,920 Speaker 1: what do we got next? What are got next? On 1071 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:03,040 Speaker 1: the pocket? Because I had something come up during the 1072 01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,600 Speaker 1: podcast that I think they'll find very interesting. What is that? 1073 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:14,360 Speaker 1: Mel Keiper dropped his initial um mock draft? Oh yeah, yeah, 1074 01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,560 Speaker 1: I saw that we have three pack twelve players in 1075 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,920 Speaker 1: the top fifteen and like six overall. Yeah, kameon Thibodeau 1076 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:29,720 Speaker 1: at number two. You have, um, who else you have? 1077 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:36,480 Speaker 1: Utah is Devin Long at number fifteen? Devin Lloyd? Yeah, yeah, 1078 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,280 Speaker 1: Devin Long, Devin Devin Lloyd. I played with Devin Long 1079 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:45,000 Speaker 1: at Oregon and Drake London at ten. Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, 1080 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,000 Speaker 1: and I missed Drake London at ten. Dude. That's a 1081 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,400 Speaker 1: good look for the pack twelve, three players in the 1082 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,720 Speaker 1: top fifty. And then if you could sneak only in 1083 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,960 Speaker 1: one moment in in that like a Washington Trent McDuffie 1084 01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,280 Speaker 1: or something like that into the first round, well we 1085 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,600 Speaker 1: got they had Trent mcduffy. I think projected like seven, 1086 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,880 Speaker 1: and then they had another Washington dB um at thirty. 1087 01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:11,960 Speaker 1: So another year of Washington defensive backs getting drafted very highly. 1088 01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,040 Speaker 1: So usually mal Kaifer is not his initial mock draft 1089 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:20,120 Speaker 1: isn't like way too far off than the actual thing. 1090 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,040 Speaker 1: There's not too many people that he gives a first 1091 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:29,400 Speaker 1: round grade that that slip um very very poorly test 1092 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:34,200 Speaker 1: poorly day of character concerns, weird interview. Um, you know 1093 01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,479 Speaker 1: one of those things that that that causes one or 1094 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 1: two players to to fall and then somebody else gets 1095 01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,160 Speaker 1: a high draft grade for picking him in the third 1096 01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,719 Speaker 1: round when they could have gone first round. Dude. So 1097 01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:49,639 Speaker 1: while we are recording, uh, the Oregon Twitter spaces thing 1098 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:55,320 Speaker 1: has turned completely toxic. Bro. So that's going on right 1099 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,280 Speaker 1: now because you had, uh, you had Travis die jump 1100 01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,320 Speaker 1: in the portal, which is so really big deal. Yes, 1101 01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,479 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tell you what. I'm gonna give you 1102 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,160 Speaker 1: a big update with what's happening with with Travis died. 1103 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,839 Speaker 1: And the funny part about it is that, uh, Dante 1104 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,680 Speaker 1: Thornton's uncle and Byron Cardwell's dad hopped into Twitter spaces. 1105 01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,880 Speaker 1: Thornton said he was trying his uncle said he was transferring, 1106 01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,639 Speaker 1: and Thornton's and Cardwell's dad said he needs to talk 1107 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,960 Speaker 1: to him after they get off. It turns out it 1108 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,280 Speaker 1: was like an April Fools joke in January. That's uh, 1109 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,280 Speaker 1: that's not funny. Yes, that's not funny at all, because 1110 01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,879 Speaker 1: it could have been true. But but you mentioned Travis 1111 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:47,120 Speaker 1: die though, bro and Travis died. Oregon running back, you know, beloved, 1112 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:48,439 Speaker 1: he wrote, And this is one of the things I 1113 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,240 Speaker 1: was talking about earlier. Kids don't always realize the value 1114 01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:56,160 Speaker 1: of being attached to a university. He is considering transferring 1115 01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:00,960 Speaker 1: the USC. It was pretty his family, some of his family, 1116 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,639 Speaker 1: some of his family wants him to do that. Now 1117 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:10,280 Speaker 1: the Oregon people, Dan Lanning, wants him back, like in 1118 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:14,920 Speaker 1: the worst way. So Oregon is uh. They are meeting 1119 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:19,160 Speaker 1: with him over the next couple of days to put 1120 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:24,600 Speaker 1: together you know, all the reasons why he should stay. 1121 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,120 Speaker 1: And so we will find out a decision from him 1122 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,760 Speaker 1: in short order after after that. But I hope that 1123 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,160 Speaker 1: he ends up staying in Eugene because so for like 1124 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,679 Speaker 1: this would be honestly a huge power move for USC 1125 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,960 Speaker 1: to steal something that Oregon wants from them, that it 1126 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:51,080 Speaker 1: would have an impact in recruiting, messaging, all of this stuff. 1127 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,080 Speaker 1: So you guys watch out for that. But Oregon is 1128 01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,120 Speaker 1: being very aggressive, if you understand what I mean, very 1129 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:05,200 Speaker 1: aggressive in their trying to retain uh, Travis die Services. Yeah, 1130 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yes, Travis who is one of my favorite 1131 01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,639 Speaker 1: players right, And it's always it's always nice when when 1132 01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,040 Speaker 1: when that can when when that can happen, when you 1133 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,840 Speaker 1: can come around on somebody like that, first Josh Allen, 1134 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,760 Speaker 1: now now Travis Star. I'm excited to see who the 1135 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,560 Speaker 1: next and the next one is going to be. Um. 1136 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,320 Speaker 1: Speaking of Oregon though, I got to bring this up, 1137 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:27,960 Speaker 1: and I know you don't want to talk about it, 1138 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,000 Speaker 1: but cable of Tibodeaux went viral for some of his 1139 01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:36,760 Speaker 1: comments of in an interview with Joel Klatt when he 1140 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:42,760 Speaker 1: said that he committed to Oregon UM because over over 1141 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:48,160 Speaker 1: a school like Alabama because he hates the stigmatism of 1142 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,559 Speaker 1: the dumb athlete, which in it of itself, just that 1143 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,160 Speaker 1: portion of a quote is is fantastic to have an 1144 01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:59,439 Speaker 1: athlete say I hate being UM having a dumb athlete 1145 01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:04,800 Speaker 1: stigmatic him because stigma stigmatism. And he's very he is 1146 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,320 Speaker 1: so he is very smart he is spoke. He misspoke 1147 01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:14,680 Speaker 1: with Gusto. Yes, and and and so here's the thing 1148 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,360 Speaker 1: about it, though, I have let's get to the comment. 1149 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,080 Speaker 1: Let's get to the comment. He said, he doesn't like 1150 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,000 Speaker 1: the and what we'll give him the benefited out on 1151 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,880 Speaker 1: this one, the stigma of being thought of as a 1152 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,000 Speaker 1: dumb athlete. But then he turned around and said, but 1153 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,479 Speaker 1: what is Alabama educationally? And Joe Klatt had to sit 1154 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,479 Speaker 1: there and be like, uh right, like he got he 1155 01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,320 Speaker 1: got Joe Klatten to agree that the stigma, the stigma 1156 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,559 Speaker 1: of Alabama is that it's all football, no academics. And 1157 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,200 Speaker 1: he upset Alabama fans quite a bit. Put Joe Klatt 1158 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,240 Speaker 1: in a really interesting situation. And he I mean, he 1159 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,519 Speaker 1: had people talking. He really did. It was it was 1160 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,640 Speaker 1: quite the I mean, the overall context of what he 1161 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,280 Speaker 1: was saying is something you can get into Joe Worgs. 1162 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,640 Speaker 1: But those comments really got people going. And I just 1163 01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,240 Speaker 1: wanted to get your thoughts on them. Listen, they will 1164 01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:11,439 Speaker 1: be all right there their little soft hurt feelings, they 1165 01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,960 Speaker 1: will be a okay, buddy. But it's just funny though, 1166 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:18,360 Speaker 1: when people do say say say things with their chest. 1167 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,200 Speaker 1: And he turned out to be wrong or or they misspeak. 1168 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:26,160 Speaker 1: It's always hilarious. And I liked his response to it. 1169 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,519 Speaker 1: He didn't he didn't care. He did not care. He 1170 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,920 Speaker 1: was like, Yo, you know who I am? He said, 1171 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,639 Speaker 1: He said, you guys can you basically said, you guys 1172 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,960 Speaker 1: can make fun of me all you want, but you listened, 1173 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,839 Speaker 1: and I bet you learned something, which is like, incredibly debatable. 1174 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,800 Speaker 1: But his overall point was very interesting that he was 1175 01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,360 Speaker 1: saying he would rather have a lifelong relationship with a 1176 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:55,479 Speaker 1: company than a uh an association with a school that 1177 01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:02,120 Speaker 1: is only going to relate to his football ability. M hmmm. 1178 01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:07,560 Speaker 1: And the company he's referring to, of course, is Nike. Yeah, 1179 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,599 Speaker 1: and he was able to develop some business relationships and 1180 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,360 Speaker 1: a couple of business plays, including n F T s 1181 01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,080 Speaker 1: that I think mented him a little bit of scratch. 1182 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,840 Speaker 1: I think you you actually own one of them, right, Yes, yes, 1183 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,800 Speaker 1: I do. I do own a Cavon Thibodeaux, So, uh yeah, 1184 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm excited about it. But listen, we all misspeak at times. 1185 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,680 Speaker 1: Uh you know, it's just not all in front of 1186 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:42,559 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen million people usually, So I forgive him 1187 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,800 Speaker 1: it is, but it but it was hilarious though. It 1188 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,240 Speaker 1: is very funny to see somebody because you know what, 1189 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,679 Speaker 1: like what Well, and then the thing that made it funny, 1190 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean made it even more hilarious was the Washington 1191 01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:02,560 Speaker 1: academic prowess comments on the top of it. Yeah, so 1192 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,639 Speaker 1: you had what you had, Washington fans that were coming 1193 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:09,040 Speaker 1: down on him, Alabama fans, the entire sec um. But 1194 01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,559 Speaker 1: what you'll notice is not too many people who consider 1195 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:19,479 Speaker 1: their primary fandom UM NFL were weighing in because everybody 1196 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:23,720 Speaker 1: wants him so so that that was you know, and 1197 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,920 Speaker 1: and I think you know he's going to be didn't Yeah, 1198 01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,120 Speaker 1: he didn't know the difference between one thing and the other. 1199 01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:34,320 Speaker 1: Who the f cares? Right, But I will I am 1200 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:39,800 Speaker 1: team Cavan when it comes to uh the SEC or 1201 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,720 Speaker 1: Alabama catching a stray for no reason because we've had 1202 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,360 Speaker 1: to deal with that so much that like they get 1203 01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:55,520 Speaker 1: to do it as well. Yes, absolutely, honor me one bit, yeah, okay, 1204 01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:05,960 Speaker 1: um so okay, okay, so long long period of silence, yes, yes, 1205 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,719 Speaker 1: exactly all right. The final thing up for today, Uh, 1206 01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:15,559 Speaker 1: we are going to be talking more about basketball over 1207 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,000 Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks because football is gonna be 1208 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:22,519 Speaker 1: dying down after National Signing Day on February second. But uh, 1209 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,479 Speaker 1: but Ralph wants to talk about a Dia Barnes, head 1210 01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:31,519 Speaker 1: coach at Arizona, who is. I love her because she 1211 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,320 Speaker 1: was very outspoken about having her baby not and having 1212 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,280 Speaker 1: to leave a travel member at home or leave her 1213 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,679 Speaker 1: baby when it came to the NC Tournament last last 1214 01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,559 Speaker 1: year because the travel party was limited but her baby counted, 1215 01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,880 Speaker 1: so they had to leave in a support staff member there. 1216 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,320 Speaker 1: She is unapologetic, except for this time she was apologetic. 1217 01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,879 Speaker 1: I loved it, dude. She is a wonder for college football. 1218 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry for college basketball, for women's college basketball, college 1219 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,760 Speaker 1: sports in general. I think she's fantastic. I I I. 1220 01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:05,560 Speaker 1: That's the one thing that I really love about the 1221 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,800 Speaker 1: Pack twelve is is um. There's a lot of really 1222 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,559 Speaker 1: great women's basketball coaches. Charlie Turner Thorne's one of my 1223 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,360 Speaker 1: favorite people. UM, and a Dia Barnes I think has 1224 01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,760 Speaker 1: been really really good for the league. She made news 1225 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,360 Speaker 1: last year with the double middle fingers up, which was 1226 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:26,120 Speaker 1: to her team about hater imaginary haters, which so I 1227 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,040 Speaker 1: thought much ado was made over nothing there, But in 1228 01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:34,680 Speaker 1: this case, I guess they lost. Uh. Late in a 1229 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:39,439 Speaker 1: game to Oregon on what could maybe be considered a 1230 01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,559 Speaker 1: controversial shot. You had a girl that was out of bounds, 1231 01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,200 Speaker 1: not completely re established herself, hit a game winning shot. 1232 01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,800 Speaker 1: Oregon was not expected to win that game. Even though 1233 01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,679 Speaker 1: Oregon has been um the class of the Pac twelve 1234 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,519 Speaker 1: as far as women's basketball UM in recent years, Arizona 1235 01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,160 Speaker 1: is up there now because they had the final four 1236 01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,960 Speaker 1: run and um knocked off Yukon and and and came 1237 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:05,680 Speaker 1: within a shot of winning a national championship and all that. UM. 1238 01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,520 Speaker 1: So now you have, I guess some type of situation 1239 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,120 Speaker 1: where Ada Barnes blew up the refs, which the Pack 1240 01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:18,599 Speaker 1: twelve has admonished her for, and then also maybe said 1241 01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:23,800 Speaker 1: something or made a gesture toward the Oregon Kelly. Yeah, yeah, 1242 01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,200 Speaker 1: and and and now Kelly is being accused of using 1243 01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:31,160 Speaker 1: some salty language in her direction. And I just I 1244 01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,759 Speaker 1: watched Oregon and you have a fans go back and forth, 1245 01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,400 Speaker 1: call each other names, say that their class list and 1246 01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,800 Speaker 1: everything like that. Guess what, I just don't care. Yeah, 1247 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,360 Speaker 1: I want to tell both of them. Good is awesome? Yes, 1248 01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,599 Speaker 1: good good? It's good for you to hate each other. 1249 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,439 Speaker 1: The two of the best programs in the PAC twelve 1250 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:54,080 Speaker 1: who have beef. Oh that's not a problem. Better television ratings, 1251 01:18:54,120 --> 01:19:01,240 Speaker 1: better attendance, more of greater fan environment. This is a 1252 01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:05,200 Speaker 1: nothing burger bro that Actually, no, this is a real 1253 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,599 Speaker 1: burger and it's an awesome burger and it tastes great. 1254 01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,599 Speaker 1: A Dia Barnes apologized. Then one of her players came 1255 01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,639 Speaker 1: out and said that, like, I stay on my coach, 1256 01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:19,200 Speaker 1: Um Oregon's coach, you know, said something you shouldn't have. 1257 01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,599 Speaker 1: And then Ada Barnes came out and said, I've already 1258 01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:27,840 Speaker 1: straightened my crown, which is which is incredible. I I 1259 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:32,040 Speaker 1: say this to you. I don't think that I would 1260 01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,519 Speaker 1: have cared that February four is the rematch in Tucson 1261 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:41,120 Speaker 1: before this, but now I've cleared that. Yeah, that that is. 1262 01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm not doing any mail and it better be on ESPN. 1263 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,840 Speaker 1: I hope, so, man, I really do. And I think 1264 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,479 Speaker 1: that that's really really good for the league to have 1265 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,759 Speaker 1: a strong personality like Ada Barnes. They already have the talent, 1266 01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,840 Speaker 1: like they already have really really good teams if you 1267 01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,400 Speaker 1: like good women's basketball, like the PAT twelve was a 1268 01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,840 Speaker 1: place to be. Now you know you have these like 1269 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:08,479 Speaker 1: coaching rivalries, and I don't mind, like it doesn't Like, 1270 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,360 Speaker 1: should she be flipping people off every game? No? Did 1271 01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,800 Speaker 1: she stopped doing it immediately? Yes? But is it fun 1272 01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:20,760 Speaker 1: to know that that's in her, like she's thinking it. Yeah, exactly. 1273 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,120 Speaker 1: She's a dog and I love it. Can't wait to 1274 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,680 Speaker 1: see it, you guys. That is back twelve Apostles for 1275 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,920 Speaker 1: the Day. I'm George Rice Stir, He's Ralph Fams and 1276 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,320 Speaker 1: peace out. Catch you guys next episode.