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Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to Move the Sticks? Presented by

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Speaker 1: Zaxby's DJ. Bucky back with you, Buck. How you doing man, Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. Uh. You know, we had an eventful weekend

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Speaker 1: but DJ ANDNA be honest with you, when when I

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Speaker 1: he's occupying and playing the role that Troy paula male

429
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Speaker 1: who played in their defense at SC like. That's what

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Speaker 1: he does. And if we evaluate him as something other

431
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Speaker 1: than that, we're wrong. He's a hybrid linebacker slash pass rusher,

432
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Speaker 1: and whenever they need a big play, they're sending him forward,

433
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Speaker 1: not having him go backwards, and so he gives them juice.

434
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Speaker 1: He was all over the place for whatever reason, the

435
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Speaker 1: Eagles couldn't really monitor with his whereabouts, and so he

436
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Speaker 1: probably had a bigger impact on this game than I

437
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Speaker 1: think some teams would allow him to because he's a

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Speaker 1: designated rusher off the edge. Yeah, I feel like again,

439
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Speaker 1: I keep coming back to this m M analogy there,

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Speaker 1: which is all right, if the fight stays, if the

441
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Speaker 1: fight stays on the ground or whatever, you don't want

442
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Speaker 1: to mess with that dude. They start standing up, different,

443
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: different story. And good for Pete Carroll. He's figured out

444
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Speaker 1: a way to put him in a situation where he

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Speaker 1: does what he does best and then and I think

446
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 1: that's the thing. He is a He's a low box defender,

447
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: and he made Bristol let the notion of being a

448
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Speaker 1: box are your safety. But he is at his best

449
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 1: with his instincts and awareness and toughness being near a

450
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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, running through holes, green dog blitzing, doing

451
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Speaker 1: all those other things. Like it's a way for him

452
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Speaker 1: to be very, very active, And I will go back.

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Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of one of my teammates

454
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Speaker 1: that I played with in Green Bay, little Roy butler Um.

455
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Speaker 1: He was one of the first ones to play their

456
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Speaker 1: role in Fish Fisherman's defense where he would come come

457
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Speaker 1: off the edge, he would compile sacks and force fumbles

458
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Speaker 1: and all the other stuff. And that's what Jamal Adams does.

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Speaker 1: All right. I want to get into this discussion before

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Speaker 1: we get into talking about some quarterback stuff here. I

461
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Speaker 1: want to talk about head coaches. And we've talked about

462
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Speaker 1: names before, but I want to go over I spent

463
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Speaker 1: some time putting this together, the qualities that you want

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Speaker 1: in your head coach, and we've talked, We've talked to

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Speaker 1: a lot of of successful coaches, and I wanted to

466
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Speaker 1: kind of put an image in my mind because it's

467
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Speaker 1: it's almost like quarterbacks right now, all different sizes, different

468
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Speaker 1: skill sets, but what do they have in common? What

469
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Speaker 1: makes the great ones great? And so I looked around

470
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Speaker 1: the league right now, guys that have had longevity and

471
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Speaker 1: success in the NFL right now, and these are the

472
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Speaker 1: names that I wrote down. Andy Reid, who I had

473
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Speaker 1: a chance to be around, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, John Harbaugh. So those guys have all one

475
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Speaker 1: super Bowls, they're all super Bowl winning head coaches, they

476
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Speaker 1: all have longevity, and they've all been consistent winners through

477
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Speaker 1: throughout time. Now we can be cynics and say, well

478
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Speaker 1: they've had you know, Hall of Fame quarterbacks with them

479
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Speaker 1: as well, no doubt. But I think that they're great

480
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Speaker 1: coaches and I think they do it all. They have

481
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Speaker 1: different styles, different personalities. But when I put down on

482
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Speaker 1: this sheet here the three things. If I come up

483
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Speaker 1: with three things that I want and a head coach,

484
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Speaker 1: the qualities of a head coach. If you're a team

485
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Speaker 1: and you're looking for one, right now, let me give

486
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Speaker 1: you the three that I came up with here. Um,

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Speaker 1: well start with with the leader, and I think that's

488
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Speaker 1: you know, that makes a lot of sense. Right. We

489
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Speaker 1: talked about you want a great leader, Well what does

490
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Speaker 1: that mean? I wrote down to me an excellent communicator?

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Speaker 1: You start there. You've got to be able to cast

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Speaker 1: the vision. What is it? What do we want it

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Speaker 1: to look like. You've got to be able to create

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Speaker 1: the culture. What type of environment are we gonna have

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Speaker 1: on a daily basis? And you've got to be able

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Speaker 1: to cultivate relationships. So I need a head coach that

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Speaker 1: can do all those things. He's got a cast division,

498
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Speaker 1: create the culture, and he's got to be able to

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Speaker 1: cultivate the relationships. I don't need somebody stuck in their

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Speaker 1: corner office working on plays all day long. But that

501
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Speaker 1: that's the first one. So I'll rip through the three

502
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Speaker 1: of these. Buck I love to get your feedback on him.

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Speaker 1: So we've got leader. Next, we've got teacher. And the

504
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: way I kind of define that is, I want somebody

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Speaker 1: who prioritizes details, meaning we're gonna be buttoned up when

506
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Speaker 1: it comes to the details of the game, and somebody

507
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Speaker 1: that also prioritizes development, and that's on an individual level.

508
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Speaker 1: I want somebody that can help each individual player get better,

509
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Speaker 1: and a lot of that comes with being able to

510
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Speaker 1: cast division for them. This is the program, here's where

511
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Speaker 1: you are. This is what I need you to do

512
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Speaker 1: going forward. But I think if somebody like Matt Rule,

513
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Speaker 1: who I hear stories about, is in each individual meeting

514
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Speaker 1: room and can actually coach each position, He's spent time

515
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Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball um and he's got

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Speaker 1: an understanding there. So we've got leader, We've got teacher.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, I think this is the most important one.

518
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Speaker 1: Think about these coaches again, Andy Reid, Belichick, Tomlin, John Harbaugh,

519
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Pete Carroll. I think one of those things

520
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Speaker 1: all those guys have in common is authentic, Like be

521
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Speaker 1: who you are. I don't need you to be the

522
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Speaker 1: next Bill Belichick. I don't need I don't want the

523
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Speaker 1: Whopper Jr. I want the Whopper. Like, just be yourself.

524
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Speaker 1: And to me, I wrote down authentic. That means you're honest,

525
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Speaker 1: you're reliable, and you're dependable. That means when things are

526
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Speaker 1: going good things are going bad, you're the same guy.

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Speaker 1: You're not trying to be Tommy tough guy. You're not

528
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Speaker 1: trying to be Mr. Motivational speaker. If that's not who

529
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Speaker 1: you are, Just be authentic. Andy Reid and Mike Tomlin

530
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Speaker 1: could not have any more different personalities, but they both

531
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Speaker 1: get the job done because they're comfortable on their own skin.

532
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Speaker 1: They are who they are. They're authentic, honest, reliable, dependable.

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Speaker 1: That's it. So leader, teacher, authentic. That's It's pretty simple. Look,

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Speaker 1: I love those trading It's funny because I was sitting

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Speaker 1: there and I made a list of characteristics for myself.

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Speaker 1: But in a lot of there's a there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of blend. But in just speaking to you, like leader,

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Speaker 1: I think without question has to be first and foremost,

539
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Speaker 1: because I think you have to be able to get

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Speaker 1: everyone pulling the boat in the right direction, like whatever

541
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Speaker 1: that is, whatever we're doing, everyone is on board, and

542
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: so that is your leadership style. Your ability to get

543
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Speaker 1: people on board. Teacher, I think is something that is underrated. Right.

544
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Speaker 1: It's underrated from a head coaching standpoint. I believe your position.

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Speaker 1: Coaches for sure need to be teachers and developers, but

546
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Speaker 1: you're a head coach. The reason you're head coach needs

547
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Speaker 1: to be a teacher is because the management piece, right

548
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: DJ is being able to as we're sitting in a

549
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Speaker 1: team meeting and we're watching the game, we're watching the tape,

550
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Speaker 1: is being able to pause the tape and say, here's

551
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Speaker 1: a situation, here's why we're doing this, this is why

552
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: it's being able to explain to why so everyone in

553
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: the room is like, oh, okay, I get it, as

554
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: opposed to hey, this is what we're doing. We're taking

555
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Speaker 1: the safety that is really important, and I think the

556
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Speaker 1: teacher part is not really talked about enough. And then

557
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Speaker 1: the authenticity, um I pult just thinking out about the

558
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Speaker 1: Patriots stuff. Right like right after Matt Patricia was fired,

559
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: and all the other stuff. Because here's what's funny. DJ

560
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: Friday Night, Yes, Friday Night, Friday Night. I was, I

561
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: was whatever, going through YouTube or whatever, and I found

562
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Speaker 1: a thing with Matt Patricia speaking at a clinic at

563
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame, and there were a million notes that I

564
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Speaker 1: took because it was actually great, Like it was great

565
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Speaker 1: as I It was about fundamentals, it's about tackling. He's

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Speaker 1: very clear and articulate or whatever. And then this was

567
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Speaker 1: before he became the head coach of Detroit. This is

568
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Speaker 1: when he was decordinated with the Patriots. And I just

569
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Speaker 1: feel like if that guy was the one that showed up,

570
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: then they would have been fine. But the other guy

571
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Speaker 1: who showed up in and and did whatever he did.

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Speaker 1: I and I'm gonna say this about Matt pritriition. Here's

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Speaker 1: why I knew he was gonna have a problem. You know,

574
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Speaker 1: he had always warned his hat backwards when he's within

575
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: New England Patriots, right, always word backwards. He had the

576
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: pencil stuck in there, but it was always backwards. And

577
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: when he relented after one game of receiving criticism on

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00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: why he had his head backwards, I knew he would

579
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Speaker 1: have a problem because he wasn't being himself. If you've

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Speaker 1: done that for ten years and that's who you are,

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Speaker 1: and that's how you rock your hat, you don't change

582
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: because you're here. Joe beat reporter tell you, hey, why

583
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: did you? Hey? Man, this is what I do. And

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Speaker 1: I'm unapologetic about it. Because if I'm gonna go down,

585
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: go down being yourself, go down being exactly who you are. Now,

586
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna talk to my traits and there's a

587
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Speaker 1: lot of crossover between and I broke it down and five.

588
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: So I said, leader, Uh, I believe the head coach

589
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: has to be able to do this every day. He

590
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: has to be able to encourage, enlighten, and inspire. He

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Speaker 1: has to be able to get the guys going. He

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00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: has to be able to teach him, which is the

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Speaker 1: enlightened part, and he has to be able to motivate

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Speaker 1: them to be able to do whatever whatever it is

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Speaker 1: that he wants get the group going in right direction.

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00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: He needs to be a visionary. You pointed this out.

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00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: The head coach when he stands in front of the

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Speaker 1: room and and this is not just in front of

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Speaker 1: the team, but this is in front of the scouts

600
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Speaker 1: and everybody. Here's the vision for what we're going to be,

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00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: and here's how we're going to get there, and here's

602
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: what I need each of you to do so we

603
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: can make this happen. Is really being able to allow

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Speaker 1: me to imagine how we're going to be a championship team.

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00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: And each and every day you give me a reminder

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Speaker 1: of this is why these little jobs that you're doing

607
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: are important because as part of the bigger picture, this

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00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: is where we're going. It needs to be a great communicator.

609
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: And being a great communicator is not being the motivational speaker,

610
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: is being very clear and direct. Here's what I need,

611
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: here's what we need. This is what I need from you.

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00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: It needs it needs to be just very direct, submit,

613
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: set and communicate the expectations, make the corrections, challenge, confront

614
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: when you need to. But it's being able to do

615
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: all those things. He needs to be a problem solver.

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00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: One of the bigger things that the head coach can

617
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: do is as he's looking at the operation, whether he's

618
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: managing the side of the ball or not, he has

619
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: to be able to look and see what's going on.

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00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: He has to be able to identify the problems, anticipate

621
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 1: potential problems, and have an answer for fixing them right away,

622
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: because the longer those problems linger, the bigger that it

623
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: comes back to bite you when you really need it.

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00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: What's needed, how do we do it better, how do

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00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: we get there? And then finally, I believe, just like

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00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: in players, the head coach has to have grit and resiliency.

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00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: He has to be able to if we get off

628
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: to a slow start, if we're owing five and six.

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00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: He has to have enough toughness about him that he

630
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: doesn't cave into all the outside noise, that he's resolute

631
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: and his plan and his process. He knows that the

632
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: process is going to work. He may have to tweak it,

633
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: but he has enough confidence and knowing, oh, we'll get

634
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: this turnaround. We just have to figure out how how

635
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: to do it, but we will get it turned around.

636
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: And he can't cave to all of the pressure of

637
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: everything that's going on. And it's a tough deal, but

638
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: they have to have those things, and those traits for

639
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: me were shaped. I was like Marv Leavy Hall of Fame,

640
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 1: Mike Hohmee were one Super Bowls. Tom Calson won two

641
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowls, John Gruden won a Super Bowl and might

642
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: have shot and number one two hundred games. And as

643
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: I looked at all of those guys, those traits we're there.

644
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: And I may not agree with their style, but those

645
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: traits were there and that's why they were really really

646
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: successful in what they were able to do. That's so

647
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: good man. There's a lot of crossover there going through

648
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: all that. I like, encourage and light and inspire especially,

649
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: and guys can do that in different ways. Like I'll

650
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: give you an example Jim Caldwell, um, who if you

651
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: look at his record and what he's been able to do,

652
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: absolutely deserves another chance to be a head coach. I

653
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: know he's a little bit older, um, but we can.

654
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about Patricia. Look at the job

655
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: that call Ball did there before Patricia got there. But um,

656
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody that had been on that

657
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: staff with him, and I said, tell me, tell me

658
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more about him, because it seems like

659
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: such he's a quiet man and you've known him. He

660
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: recruited me something, known him for a long yeah. Yeah, yeah.

661
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: So I'm like, how do how do you get accountability

662
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: when you have kind of more of a quiet personality.

663
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: And he said, he's let me give you an example.

664
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: He said, we had guys who would jump off sides. Right,

665
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: So instead he never said one word about it, right,

666
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: never said a thing in a team like, hey, you

667
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: know we're running gases. If you're jumping off side, take

668
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: a lap. No, he said, you know what he did,

669
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: He said, they have monitors all throughout the building, and

670
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, one day you come in

671
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: there and it says jumped off sides and has a

672
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: list of the guys who jumped off sides that day.

673
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Never mentioned it, never mentioned in a meeting, never mentioned

674
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: on the grass, nothing. But it got to the point

675
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: where you like, man, I don't want to be on

676
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: that monitor. Everybody walks around and sees my name up

677
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: there on that monitor. He found a way to hold

678
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: the guy's accountable without saying a word. I thought, that

679
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: is genius, man, Like that is you? Hey, you didn't

680
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: you didn't embarrass them and dress them down in front

681
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: of their teammates. It's just it's just in the building. Hey,

682
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: if you jump offside, you get on the board. That's

683
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: that very simple. And I and I actually love that part.

684
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: And I would say this DJ like he was at

685
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: wake Forest when I was at North Carolina, he was

686
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: coming in. It was right. I think my last year

687
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: may have been his first year at wake Forest, and

688
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: I just always remember looking over the sideline and just

689
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: the way you carried himself. He just carried himself like

690
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: a pro. Like he was just very button up. He's

691
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: very detailed. He carried himself like you would like to

692
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: envision your head. Coach. He wasn't a yeller and a screamer.

693
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: He was all those things. And when I visited him

694
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: at Detroit and I watched his teams go about it,

695
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this dude is just so. He

696
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: kind of reminded me of like how you would play

697
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: for your dad or how you play for your granddad. Like, look,

698
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to let them down because they have

699
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: a high standard and they won't be rate you, but

700
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: you know when you've disappointed it, it's almost like once

701
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: a house and you know where you route up and

702
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: they don't say a word, but you know. And I

703
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: think he he was able to do that. And it's

704
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: funny you talk about the monitor and those things. This

705
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: is what I think. Coach Brown said this on our podcast.

706
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: He said, you can be demanding, but not demeaningly. You

707
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: can demand a lot from them, but don't demean him.

708
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: And so the standards are there. You know what the

709
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: standards are. Hey, we'll correct you on it. I'm never

710
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: going to embarrass you. I'm never gonna curse it you.

711
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna do all those things, but we're gonna

712
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: hold you accountable. And that was Jim call was way

713
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: of holding people accountable. And I think you can do

714
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: that and whatever your own style is, but I will

715
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: say you have a short shelf life. If you're gonna

716
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: be the guy that is calling people out and screaming

717
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: and embarrassing them or whatever. You can do that, but

718
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: you better win because if you don't win, if you

719
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: don't hold yourself to the same standard that you're holding

720
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: the players too, it disappears, and it disappears quickly. Yeah,

721
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: I mean, give me your thoughts on this, because we've

722
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: just you went through all these lists of things problem

723
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: solverards identify and anticipate problems, um, the grit, the resilience.

724
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of crossover on what

725
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: we're talking about, the leadership stuff. And to me, when

726
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: I just look at all of it. Buck. I think

727
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: that the one word that I'm left with and and

728
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: I just keep coming back to authentic. There's different ways

729
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: to get to the finish line. But you gotta be

730
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: you do, don't. I don't First of all, if I'm

731
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: interviewing you and you're telling me about what you've done,

732
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: and then when you're telling me you know what you're

733
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: going to be like as a head coach, If there's

734
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: a difference between what you've done and what you're going

735
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: to do as a head coach, I don't want you.

736
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: I want to know what i'm buying. I want to

737
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: know that I'm buying the guy that's actually tried this

738
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: stuff out and it's been successful, and I'm gonna bring

739
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: that in. I'm not hoping that you're gonna come in

740
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: here and all of a sudden anturally turn into some

741
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: super coach that you've never been before. Like that's crazy

742
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: to me. It is crazy. And you know it's funny because, UM,

743
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: this year's unique because we may have with seven or

744
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: eight openings. UM, you're trying to identify, like, who who

745
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: are the hot candidates, whether they're coordinators or position coaches

746
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: or whatever. UM. For some of these jobs. I don't

747
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: believe those guys are the right fits. You and I

748
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: have talked offline about this may be a year where

749
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: we see more college guys get jobs because the one

750
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: thing that I would say about the college thing, and

751
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: and this really resonated me when we talked to Brian

752
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Kelly a few weeks ago, when Brian Kelly you asked

753
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: him a question about coach. You've been able to take

754
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: this program in terms of you build it up at

755
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: multiple spots and have had success. I know that you're

756
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: going to be able to do that more times than not.

757
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: When I look at Matt Rule did it? Temple, did it? Baylor?

758
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: The recipe is, the recipe is is fine, It's been

759
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: tried and true, it's tested. I know exactly what I'm getting.

760
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: I am more likely to lean into someone like that

761
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: then I am a young guy who haven't seen it.

762
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: And I know that's not fair to the guys who

763
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: have never done it, but I'm just more likely to

764
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: lean into a situation like that, particularly in some of

765
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: these instance is where you may be talking about a

766
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: Detroit Allions team where you need maybe a cultural overhaul, uh,

767
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jet what what they haven't dismissed the coach, but

768
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: if they were to dismissed the coach or whatever like,

769
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: it could be a cultural change in an overhaul. Uh,

770
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: some of these other things you just need some fine

771
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: tune in. But I don't know, man, I just think

772
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fascinating watch to kind of see

773
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: how the pieces of the puzzle come together when we

774
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: have these coaching searches. But it's interesting with the with

775
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: the six coaches that I mentioned, super Bowl winning head

776
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: coaches that have a lot of longevity and success. Split

777
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: down the middle, right, Andy Reid had been a previously

778
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: been a head coach. Belichick had been a head coach.

779
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll had been a head coach. Um at the

780
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: NFL level and the collegiate level. Tom no, John Harbaugh No,

781
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: Sean Payton No. So fifty fifty right. But I mean

782
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: those guys are special. You talk about Tomlin, Hardball Peyton, Man,

783
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about big time, big time leaders. I mean,

784
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: they had every every check that we've we've gone over here.

785
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: The other thing that I would say, especially in two

786
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: of those cases, very stable organizations that give you the

787
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to fully run your program because and a lot

788
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: of the machine was built right, A lot of the

789
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: machine was built in those New Orleans. Was the only

790
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: one that wasn't that wasn't built Champagne had to build

791
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: that one. That one up. Um, this is a little different.

792
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: But I kind of want to pick your brand because

793
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: I got I got asked this, and this is something

794
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: that kind of came offline. I was talking to Uh.

795
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, I'm Dwayne Walker, who used to be

796
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna do. He was a state u c L

797
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: A New Mexico State, u c L A whatever, And

798
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: I want you to think about this when we're thinking

799
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: about the general manager job. Dwayne told me one day

800
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: we were talking. He said, my biggest mistake when I

801
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: was in New Mexico State is I went and talked

802
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: to all of these other coaches who were in different

803
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: situations to me. So I went talked to urban Meyer,

804
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: I went to talk to other guys who had all

805
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: of the resources. Well, their plan for building a program

806
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: is different than the plan that I have to take

807
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: a New Mexico go state and so um DJ. I

808
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: think for some of these jobs, I think it's really

809
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: important that the person that you put in the seat

810
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: comes from a similar type deal. Meaning, for instance, we've

811
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: talked about it like, so I'm I'm taking a small

812
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: market team. We'll just use Jacksonville because I'm tired to Jacksonville.

813
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: So Jacksonville to me, I'm thinking, Okay, Well, what is

814
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: the situation that is very similar to this? And I

815
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: think they're a handful of situations. Buffalo is a situation

816
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: whereas small market team, you don't necessarily have all things.

817
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is like that, Green Bay's like that, there's some

818
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: other things. I'm more likely to look at someone who

819
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: has been around those kind of things and seeing how

820
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: you've been able to do it. There then a New

821
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: York Giant situation or a Dallas Cowboys situation where it's

822
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: a big market, big thing, you kind of have all

823
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: of these outside resources. I just think it's really important

824
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: that you identify people who understand what they're stepping into

825
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: and they've had success in similar environment so they don't

826
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: come down here thinking that, oh, we're gonna completely change

827
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: this stuff. No, here's what you have to work with,

828
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: Here's what you have to do with. Do you have

829
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: the wherewithal to make it work? Right now? Right here

830
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: where we are of all these guys, to me, Sean

831
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: Payton would be the brain that I would want to pick.

832
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: If you're going to be the head coach, you're hiring

833
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: the head coach there and Jackson Sean Payton because that

834
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: was an organization you had success with the Dome Patrol,

835
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: but that was going back quite a few years, had

836
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: had a lot of success, hadn't had a lot of success,

837
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: um and just kind of really an afterthought in the NFL.

838
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: Would be quite honest with you, not a not a

839
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: his stable organization in terms of historical success. So to

840
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: me that you know, talking to John Harbo who walked

841
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: into Baltimore after they you know, hadn't had won a

842
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, banto the playoffs a bunch, and obviously the

843
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers all the trophies they had with Mike Tomlin

844
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: different and I think when you look at Andy Reid

845
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: and Belichick those it's just a different situation. Sean Payton

846
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: taken over New Orleans to me would be kind of

847
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: the blueprint. That's what you're had to find the next

848
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. To me, if you're Jacksonville, yeah, I think

849
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: I think I think that's a that's a great one,

850
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: because you know, I really hadn't had a great appreciation

851
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: for what Sean Payton had to do. But when you

852
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: think about New Orleans, who else have been down in

853
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: the dumps? Like to mention as Katrina that comes in

854
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: right on, Katarians come in. They didn't have any significant history.

855
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: This wasn't a perennial winner that you're trying to bring back.

856
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: There's nothing, you know, we talked about traditions and things

857
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: that you can hang your hat on. Haven't played in

858
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: Green Bay, didja? I can tell you everything always went

859
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: back to the Lombardi era. Because you're in that town

860
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: and because that town really connected with Lombardi and the titles,

861
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: you better have an appreciation for that history. And you

862
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: couldn't deviate too far from how they did it during

863
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: the Lombardi era. And so that era was about like selflessness,

864
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: team not a lot of self promotion. It was always

865
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: about the packers. Other organizations are different, and so I

866
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: do believe you have to dig down and understand the

867
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: history of where you're taking over, and you have to

868
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: embrace it. And if you don't have any history, then

869
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: you have to find a way to build your own.

870
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: But that takes someone who is a visionary, who does

871
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: have a plan, who does have a process that will

872
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: take them to that. Yeah. No, I think it's a

873
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: good discussion. Man. That was a lot of fun um.

874
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to close up on that as

875
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: we kind of move on here? No, no, no, I

876
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: think I think we want to get to a quarterback discussion, right,

877
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: so a quarterback thing and uh no, Bill, you can

878
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: you can roll your fancy clip here on Mitchells go ahead.

879
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: Whitney's second pick in the two thousand and seventeen NFL Draft,

880
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bearts select Mitchel Trubisky. Who Hello, Mitchell true Whisky,

881
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: It's going to Chicago, it said. They said, okay, to

882
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: be speechless in the second pick of the draft, but

883
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: I'll feel all the best of all. I guess that

884
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: does speak words and bow wow. What what makes you

885
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: speechless about it? To me? I just thought with Lennon

886
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: coming in there, I thought they would give him a

887
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: shot to kind of see if he could do this thing.

888
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: But I heard people tell me that glenn and Contract

889
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: really studied, could be point year and they could escape

890
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: from it. So I don't think there's a big financial

891
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: commitment there. Yeah, a little shocked on that one buckle

892
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: when that one came down there with your bisky DJ

893
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I would say that I was shocked too, And look,

894
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: I love Mitt R. Bisky because he's a Targo, but

895
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: I can also say that in going back there, there's

896
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: a lot of surprise when Mitchell got the attention that

897
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: he was receiving in the middle of his final year UM.

898
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: There were people that were like, hey man, what's what's

899
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: up with all the UM attention that he's receiving. He

900
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: hasn't really played a long time, and we actually thought

901
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: he was going to be a guy that was gonna

902
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: be a two year starter because he's gonna come back

903
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: for his final season and do that stuff. But he

904
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: kind of rolled away. I think what's interesting about the

905
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: Mitchell Drobisky deal and the one thing that I will

906
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: never understand. Mr Drobiskie and Deshaun Watson played in the

907
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: same conference in the same league. Deshaun Watson dominated that league,

908
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: domin d it. Mr Drobiski never had He never had

909
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: a signature game that was on top on par with

910
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's game. He never had moments. He inherited a

911
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: team that was ten and three and went eight and five.

912
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: UM when he was a certain quarterment on the saying

913
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: that all that is tied to the quarterback. But he

914
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: hadn't played a lot and so when I went and

915
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: I saw him, and I remember watching him. I think

916
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: I watched him played against NC State or whatever. Here's

917
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: a rhythm thrower, he has some stuff. I thought that

918
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: his best, he would be kind of an Alex Smith

919
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: like player, UM good solid right system, right support thing

920
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. I didn't view him as a generational dude,

921
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: like a guy that he just put him in any

922
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: situation he could revolutionizer or reverse the fortunes of the franchise.

923
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: And so it's a it's a tough one. And when

924
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: you were a franchise like the Bears and you make

925
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: the decision and when you make the mistake on the quarterback,

926
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: and if you don't admit the mistake, man, it just

927
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: proves to be problematic. And I think for Mitchell it's

928
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: not really fair to him, but he is always compared

929
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: to Patrick Mahomes and Deshan Watson because those guys have

930
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: gone on to do great things and he hasn't. And

931
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: I just think it creates a level of pressure within

932
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: the organization for the quarterback, the general managing the coast

933
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: is sometimes can be overwhelming. I want to do a

934
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: little exercise here because this is why we got into this.

935
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: Because one of the the thoughts on Rabinsky was the

936
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: one year deal, right, So it was a limited number

937
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: of snaps. So let's go back through the last four UM.

938
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: Rabinsky had five hundred and seventy two past attempts, so

939
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: we're not talking snaps, talking past attempts two. Watson had

940
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: twelve oh seven and Mahomes had thirty nine, so more

941
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: than double there. So okay, so that's part of the

942
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: theory as well. He just you know, you're better off

943
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: taking somebody who's throwing the ball out more in college.

944
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: But it's interesting as you go back through these other years.

945
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: Let's go through, UM, if we look at guys that

946
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: through it, uh under seven hundred attempts, right, Josh Allen

947
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: is is the one sixty nine, not that much different

948
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: than Troubisky only six hundred forty nine attempts. Josh Allen

949
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: has been a hit, you know, based with with what's

950
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: going on with him. UM, but you had Donald who

951
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: had eight forty six, not a Ton and that's so

952
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: far hasn't worked out great. Baker had a thousand twenty six,

953
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: which is, you know, I think he you know, like

954
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have been the first pick, but he's a

955
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: he's okay, solid player. But he had over a thousand

956
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: attempts uh Lamar Jackson a thousand and eighty six obviously

957
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: a big hit theory. And then Rosen. But Rosen had

958
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: eleven seventy So Rosen had a lot over a thousand

959
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: didn't work out. So a little bit of a mixed

960
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: bag there. Um, I would say, you know, let's let's

961
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: go through the ones who who didn't who we would

962
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: say no, We obviously yes on Watson and the homes

963
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: Rubisky is a no right now. Um, we would put

964
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: I think, you know, for where they are. I think

965
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: you probably have to put the no on Donald for

966
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: the time being, and I think you put the no

967
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: on Rosen for the time being. Yeah. Um, so those

968
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: are the nose and I think you know Baker's not

969
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: go anywhere. He's gonna he'll be He's gonna be a

970
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: functional starter. That says he is. We is, Um, let's

971
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: go real quick. Murray five nineteen, that's he had less

972
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: than uh a fewer throws than Troubisky Haskins five nineties,

973
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: so almost identical. Um and we could put I guess

974
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: for the time being, will put the arrow down on Haskins,

975
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones twelve seventy five Drew Lock fifteen fifty three.

976
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh so it's interesting, right, it's kind of a mixed bag.

977
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: It's a very missed bag. Here. Here's what I will

978
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: say about the guys who have the fewer um pass attempts.

979
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: You can take a guy who doesn't have a lot

980
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: of pass attempts if he has a superpower when it

981
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: comes to his athleticism. I think with Kyla Murray, his

982
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: athleticism and the other stuff has enabled him to maybe

983
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: maybe skips some steps when it comes to that josh

984
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: al and Um I would say, maybe underrated superpower. I

985
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: don't think we really viewed him as the dual threat

986
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: that he's become. But he's leaned into that and that

987
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: has allowed him to kind of play through some of

988
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: the mistakes or some of the issues because he's still

989
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: once or twice every game, he still makes a poor decision,

990
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: he still has a ball that should be intercepted. Uh.

991
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: He still is a bit of a roller coaster ride

992
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: at quarterback. But his athleticism says him, and then his

993
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: arm talent. His arm talent is ridiculous, so he can

994
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: make some things. I think, and looking back at at Mitchell,

995
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 1: he never leaned into his athleticism or the Bears didn't

996
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: encourage him to lean into him. He came to North

997
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: Carolina as he doal a threat quarterback, and he has

998
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: never really played like that fully in Chicago. He's never

999
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: really done the zone, real stuff to sweep stuff, the

1000
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: stuff that we're seeing Taysom Hill and Josh Allendo's guys do.

1001
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: He's never really embraced that part. I don't know if

1002
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: that was a Subinsky decision or Bears decision, but he

1003
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: didn't lean into something that could have allowed him to

1004
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: overcome some of the issues that he might have had

1005
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: as a pass. So let me let me hit you

1006
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: with this question. Um, I know it's really early here,

1007
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: but I've I've circled the guys here that had under

1008
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 1: seven past attempts. Okay, so we've got true whisky, Josh Allen,

1009
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins, Kyler, Murray Toua. So let's let's say that

1010
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: that We're not going to issue a verdict on tour

1011
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: right now, But I want to get to the question here.

1012
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: So when you look at those guys, the hits so far,

1013
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: for the guys under seven hundred, Murray, Josh Allen, those

1014
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: are the hits. Freak freak shows, athletes, freak shows all

1015
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: the way around, skill set, freak shows. Trubisky doesn't have

1016
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: a rare trait. Yeah, Haskins doesn't have a rare trait.

1017
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: So the only quarterback in this last draft class that's

1018
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: under seven hundred, it's ta Does that make you a

1019
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: little bit nervous? Because when I look at to Uh,

1020
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: I would say he does not have a he falls

1021
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: more in line with the other guys than he does

1022
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen and with Kyler Murray. That that to me,

1023
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: that that's why I want to get that Yes, yes, yes, yes,

1024
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: I'm concerned and I'm concerned, and I feel like I've

1025
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: been kind of blinded a little bit by knowing him

1026
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: and seeing him or whatever. But he doesn't have special

1027
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: um traits. He's not an elite runner um. The arm

1028
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: challenge is fine, but he's more of a rhythm passer

1029
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: ball comes out, he sticks it, but he doesn't. He

1030
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have superpowers in that in that light, and it

1031
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: is concerning. It is concerning because we're seeing these other

1032
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: guys quarterbacks are being able to survive with their athleticism

1033
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: until they can kind of do it. They can dogypadder

1034
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: with the athleticism until they learn how to swim. It's

1035
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: a good way to put it out like that. But

1036
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: if you don't, if you don't have that ability, man hard,

1037
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: it's hard to make it. It's hard to make it

1038
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: in this league. And yeah, so it's a huge concern

1039
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: and it in fact the way that I look at

1040
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: this position going forward, um because the athleticism we've talked

1041
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: about it, it has to be kicked up, and also

1042
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: the special traits, like there's gonna be people to talk

1043
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: about other guys in the upcoming classes and if they

1044
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: don't have, like I mean, it has to be off

1045
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: the charts arm talent if you're not an athlete to

1046
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: be able to survive, because it's just so hard, it's

1047
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: so hard in this league to do it. And the

1048
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: guys who were really flourishing in the league, they're just

1049
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: really really special. And I think that is even more

1050
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: apparent DJ when we watched these things, like watching the

1051
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: kid at Denver that had to go in and it

1052
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: was unfair to him. But Kenel hidden he started games

1053
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: at Wake Force, right, so he started games that wait

1054
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: for I just want people to understand this guy started

1055
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: at a power five school and it was overwhelming in then. Yeah,

1056
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: so that's how rare those guys are, and I think

1057
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: we need to keep that in mind when we're making

1058
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: these standards. The standard is set, the bar is set

1059
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: high for a reason, um, and everybody shouldn't be able

1060
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: to pass the threshold. Yeah, look at the guys that

1061
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: are over So I just put that number there. You

1062
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: had Mahomes, big hit. Um, You've got Jones and Lock,

1063
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: which I think the verdict is still out on them.

1064
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: Herbert has been a big hit. So those are the

1065
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: guys who have really threw it a ton with Herbert, Mahomes,

1066
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: Herbert and Mahomes. I would say, tons of throws with

1067
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: phenomenal skill sets, good combination, good combination, And I would

1068
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: actually like, I know, we we broke this down in

1069
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: past attempts. I am still more likely to look at

1070
00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: games started because you know, there's something to the management

1071
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: of the game and management the experience of managing a game,

1072
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: understanding situations where the more games you play, the more

1073
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: you're exposed to those situations, the better equipped you are

1074
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: to handle those situations when you move on to the pros.

1075
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: And so I don't know what that magic number is.

1076
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: And we'll do this as we get down the line,

1077
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it on paths to the draft

1078
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. But what is the magic

1079
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: number now? Like Parcels used to have that twenty three

1080
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: wins and thirty stars and all that other stuff, it's

1081
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: changed that with the amount of games that these guys play,

1082
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: and not everyone is staying in school as long. But

1083
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: there has to be kind of a line of demarcation

1084
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: where I would like my quarterbacks at a minimum to

1085
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: have these amount of starts because I feel better about

1086
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: their process. I'm gonna look up one thing here real quick,

1087
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: because this will, this will, this will kind of finish

1088
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: this whole thing off here. Um. So we looked at

1089
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: all those numbers, right, and the lowest one over all

1090
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: those years was Kyler Murray at five nineteen for past attempts. Okay,

1091
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: Trey lancee een, he attempts three eighteen, so well, and

1092
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: we have time in the spring to do it. We'll

1093
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: get deep. We won't do the deep deep one right now.

1094
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: But the thing about that is, I would say Trey

1095
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: Lance though he fits more into that freaky athlete skill set,

1096
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: you know, huge arm, can really move around. I think

1097
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: he fits more in the Josh Allen mold than he

1098
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: would in the two of mold. I'm not saying, you know,

1099
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: not comparing him grade wise the two, but I'm just saying,

1100
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: if you look at limited experience, but his experience, not

1101
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: only is it limited, it's a lower level limited. Yeah this,

1102
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: um wow, I did not realize it was that low

1103
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: until I just looked that up. I did not. Yeah,

1104
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: I know it was a one year plus. But they don't.

1105
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean they run the ball a lot there. It's

1106
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: a good power running team. So what I would say,

1107
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: like for a trade lance type So here, here's here's

1108
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I know we're not we're not in

1109
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: the mock drafting or whatever, but here's where trade lance

1110
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: would be really really good and really effective. If you're

1111
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,479
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts and I don't know where they would

1112
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: pick or whatever, right, but let's just say, like you're

1113
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: able to bring back Philip Vers. Let's say Philip Rivers

1114
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: doesn't fall up the cliff in the playoffs, but let's

1115
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: just say you can bring it back for one more year, right,

1116
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: and then behind that offense, offensive line, running game, you

1117
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: have a defense. You can slowly teach him how to

1118
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: play the game and kind of like the comforts of

1119
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: a situation where you have a vetteran quarterback. I think

1120
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna be really really important. I think, you know,

1121
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: talent wise, he's talented enough to go near the top,

1122
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: but I think for him in terms of where he

1123
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: may be, it may be a situation where we need

1124
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: to go at the bottom of the first round to

1125
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: a better team that may already have some in place.

1126
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: It's scary, right. But the interesting thing is he has

1127
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: a hundred ninety two rushing attempts, so that gives him

1128
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: five hundred times with the ball in his hands basically,

1129
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: or two had a hundred and seven rushing attempts, so

1130
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: that's seven. So still significant difference there. Uh yeah, it

1131
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: is different, um, And a lot of it is the

1132
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: kid in the game is fast, and a lot of

1133
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: it is also the coach and who is he? Who

1134
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: is he going to be entrusted to Like, what is

1135
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: the offens coordinator going to do? Is he gonna have

1136
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: a guy like Brian day Ball who can um take

1137
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: some of the things that he did in North Dakota

1138
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: State and build around this skill set. But you know

1139
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: it's funny because uh, Trevor Lawrence will be a two

1140
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: and a half year starter, Justin Fields will be a

1141
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: two year starter. I don't know how how many snap

1142
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson, how many years he started at b y U.

1143
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: I think it's two plus at a minimum. Uh, let

1144
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: me just give I'll just give me Tremor Lawrence here

1145
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll save these colleges when we get later

1146
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: in the year. But um so, Trevor Lawrence already thousand

1147
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: thirty two pass attempts over a thousand. So to me,

1148
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: like that is when you look at when you look

1149
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: at because really the comparison is going to be uh Watson.

1150
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: So when you have a ton of attempts at a

1151
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: high level of competition with an tremendous amount of success,

1152
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: boats pretty well. Because I would even put Herbert in there.

1153
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: Get they want a Rose Bowl, I mean they want

1154
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: a Rose Bowl. He played a lot of football at

1155
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: a high level. You know, it just makes it to

1156
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: me it's easier to go off of right, you see

1157
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: more of it, Yeah, you see more of it. Here's

1158
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: a nugget. Like it's funny, like when you watch games

1159
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: on Saturday and you see the graphics or whatever. I

1160
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: find myself taking these pictures of the graphics. Um oh,

1161
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: game day. This was before the game. It's like your

1162
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: version of scrap booking. Like like, so Trevor Lawrence versus

1163
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 1: the Blitz, versus the Blitz, he only completest of his passes,

1164
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: like he's like seventy seven against no pressure. But again

1165
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: the Blitz he's like thirty and his passer rating was

1166
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: really really low. I just don't. I don't know how

1167
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: much pressure here. These are the two talking points you're

1168
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: gonna get right, because you can make we can go

1169
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: anyway if you want to skew positive or negative. So

1170
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: the blitz I've heard about, the blitz number. The other

1171
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: number I've heard of. Wait, when you compare his area

1172
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: yards standage of bubbles and tunnels, like it's off the charts,

1173
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I just hadn't. I just hadn't done it.

1174
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: The only two games that I have resonated that that

1175
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: are in my book. Was a the playoffs when he

1176
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: played against L s U and Ohio stages back to

1177
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: back games. He didn't have great games. So those are

1178
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: the games that I always marked down, like, hey, make

1179
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: sure we go back and study those. But I hadn't

1180
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: looked at him hard enough this year to be able

1181
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: to give an opinion like, oh that matters, that doesn't

1182
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: matter whatever. I just know he's really talented. I know

1183
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: he has a big arm. I know he's athletic, he

1184
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: can move. I believe the thing that he has done

1185
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: over the offseason actually made me feel better about him

1186
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, Like the stuff that he did in

1187
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: terms of leading uh Clempson in his teammates. I believe

1188
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: you're getting a more mature leader this year then we

1189
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: would have got like in previously. I think he's more

1190
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: ready for the role in the responsibilities of everything that

1191
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: comes along with it, no doubt. Um, well this is fun, man.

1192
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: This is an hour went by fast going through all

1193
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: this stuff today, but we covered a lot of ground.

1194
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: I thought of the entire episode, I thought the bill's

1195
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: sound bite was what set it apart. I think, yeah,

1196
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: that was that was that was really that was really important.

1197
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: We really needed it. That was that was really great.

1198
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: It was a good pull man. He had my little

1199
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: reaction on there. I I hadn't heard that since the

1200
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: draft day. It was like, way, yeah, I was shocked though.

1201
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: I think that was my first year on the desk,

1202
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: on the main desk for the draft. I just remember thinking,

1203
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: like I thought they were taking because they traded up.

1204
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: Remember we I thought they were taking Solomon Thomas. Yeah.

1205
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: Man hasn't been It hasn't been great either. But uh anyways,

1206
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, anything you want to have before jump

1207
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: out of here. No, that was good man, that was good.

1208
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: So we have another one on Thursday. Some more ground.

1209
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: There you go. Thanks to the Bill for all the

1210
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: hard work. We appreciate him. Uh, Mark Brady, the whole team.

1211
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to to Ryan

1212
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: bart Lier, who does a great job with us on

1213
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: the video show. We don't get a shout him out

1214
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: on that, so well shout him out right here. Anyways,

1215
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening, and we'll catch

1216
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: you next time. Right here, I move the sticks presented

1217
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: by Zaxby's