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Speaker 1: Podcast starts. Now, what is up everyone around the globe?

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Speaker 1: I have had so much coffee this morning. I am

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Speaker 1: jittery as hell, So tell me more. Well, I it

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Speaker 1: was actually very complex. I of course went to my gym,

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Speaker 1: the greatest place on earth, but we did have our

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Speaker 1: first fight in the sense that the gym's pool was

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Speaker 1: closed and I wanted to swim, so instead I had

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Speaker 1: to do some sort of sorry to gender it, old

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Speaker 1: Lady exercises because I'm trying to be gentle too, because

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Speaker 1: you thre at your back.

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Speaker 2: Wow, the old Lady is really so you threw out

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Speaker 2: your back through having a fight with a customer service

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Speaker 2: representative about the pool being closed, even.

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Speaker 1: Going to the well. Going to the well go either way?

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Speaker 1: Can I exp something really humiliating? When you this gym,

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Speaker 1: you have to walk through like a little shop basically

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Speaker 1: you're in a vulnerable place. I'm in a speedo walking

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Speaker 1: store basically, and then the person at the desk is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the pool's closed, and then I have to like be like, oh, whoops,

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Speaker 1: how humiliating is that?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's nothing like well, also, you've already mustered

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Speaker 2: up the courage to be, you know, essentially naked in public,

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Speaker 2: and the pool being closed means that you're basically not

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Speaker 2: just like a sexual predator, like literally just like wearing

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Speaker 2: like little tidy whities in public while there's children around.

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Speaker 1: I walked back through the locker room. Everyone's like, didn't

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Speaker 1: you just leave? Like you made a whole show of

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Speaker 1: leaving and now a whole show. Yeah, so that was

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Speaker 1: really tough. Then I did my little workouts, then I

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Speaker 1: went and got a coffee then but then I was like,

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Speaker 1: I got it to go coffee and I was like,

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Speaker 1: actually I want to day but I was like, this

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Speaker 1: is that I sounded really difficult. It's really challenged. And

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Speaker 1: then I was getting the coffee to stay. So I've

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Speaker 1: had two coffees and then he was like, well, do

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Speaker 1: you want a coffee to go? And I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: if you're offering, what am I going to do? Say

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Speaker 1: no to the third coffee I had?

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Speaker 2: I had a coffee. This is groundbreaking stuff. I had

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Speaker 2: a coffee related experience as well this morning, which is

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Speaker 2: that I got an iced coffee but then they acidently

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Speaker 2: gave me a hot one. Of course, I immediately like

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Speaker 2: being such a sub. I'm like, it's okay, maybe I

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Speaker 2: secretly wanted hot anyway, and they're like, no, we'll give

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Speaker 2: you nice. And then I was walking home and I

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Speaker 2: that I can put in the fridge and have tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, when will I be old enough or like,

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Speaker 2: how much money will I have to make to not

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Speaker 2: be excited that much by something like that? It is

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Speaker 2: humiliating how much I was like, oh good, Like maybe

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Speaker 2: now I can spend that money on something else, Like

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Speaker 2: I think it never end never.

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Speaker 3: I think it never.

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Speaker 2: I agree, okay, And actually, let's let's welcome at our

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Speaker 2: guest were we were hoping you would you would jump

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Speaker 2: in despite the fact that we told you not to.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Well, we love when I guess it's comfortable

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Speaker 1: with us to the point where they feel like jumping in. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And we actually have to say this guest, for the

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Speaker 1: first time in podcast history, brought a bottle of wine

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Speaker 1: for us.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually even regretting like not opening it. I actually can't.

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Speaker 2: But that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've never had anything like that in my life.

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling so taken care of. So please welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast Todd Glass Glass. Hello, Wow, good to be here.

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Speaker 1: We've never met, right, I know, we never met. Never

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Speaker 1: miss I'm actually sitting on a humiliating bomb that I

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Speaker 1: have not told either. Please are we ready? Y? Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: we've never met. But one time in two thousand and thirteen,

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Speaker 1: I was twenty three, twelve thirteen, after your big Marin appearance,

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Speaker 1: I emailed.

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Speaker 4: You and I emailed you back, and you emailed me back.

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Speaker 4: You remember this, well, I email everybody back after that.

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Speaker 4: By the way, only after I came out on Mark Maron.

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Speaker 4: Because I didn't, I didn't react to any emails. And

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Speaker 4: some emails. And after I was reading them, I mean,

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Speaker 4: let me tell you something. They they they they're pretty heavy.

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Speaker 4: They're heavy, they're light, they're heavy, they're everything. And I went,

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Speaker 4: oh my god, the fact that these would have sat

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Speaker 4: on deaf ears or fallen on deaf ears, I'm so glad.

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Speaker 4: But you know what, there's a chance tell me what

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Speaker 4: you wrote, because I'm pretty good, Like, no, no.

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Speaker 1: It's so embarrassing because I was literally like twenty three,

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Speaker 1: were you even out yeah. No, I was like out

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Speaker 1: to my friends when I was closeted to like my parents,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, were you doing comedy? I was like

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Speaker 1: just starting stand up? Wow, this is crazy.

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Speaker 4: I love it because you don't know like how paths cross.

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Speaker 4: So what you wrote?

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Speaker 1: So I emailed you basically being like like, listen to

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Speaker 1: you on Mari and it was so inspiring blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: and being like I'm gonna like I was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: coming out to my parents tomorrow, wish me luck, and

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Speaker 1: you responded how did it go? And then humiliatingly, I

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Speaker 1: was like I didn't actually do it, like I got

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Speaker 3: I never give jerk.

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Speaker 4: It's always like, you know, I'm I've really tried to,

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Speaker 4: read this and he really but yes, some of them.

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Speaker 3: That you were gees.

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Speaker 4: So how often? How how often did you? How long

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Speaker 4: did you put it off before you probably like another

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Speaker 4: look back. I read it this morning because I was like,

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Speaker 4: how what did I sound like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And it was like genuinely humiliating because I was gonna

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Speaker 1: and I was like, no, actually I wish you were.

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Speaker 2: What kind of I won't make you read out loud,

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Speaker 2: but what kind of humiliating? Like what what was the tone?

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Speaker 2: You sounded like unsure of yourself? You sounded too sure

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Speaker 1: I sounded like the language was very like almost broie

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Speaker 1: like it reminded me of like how I used to

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Speaker 1: it was very like I don't know of the time,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like that's what was one of my things.

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Speaker 4: It's which is in a good how much things have

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Speaker 4: it to become my identity. That's what really scared the

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Speaker 4: He goes, it's not the most interesting thing about you,

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Speaker 4: it won't be your identity. But I think twenty five

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Speaker 4: years ago that probably wasn't as true. Once you mentioned

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Speaker 4: on stage if you were gay, your act pretty much

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Speaker 4: It was I didn't want it to be like, oh

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Speaker 4: am I gonna just be that's gonna be who I am?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know gay comedian Toddglass.

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like I was really similar. I reacted

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Speaker 4: How much funny you say that you mean, not outside

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was like, well, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just the guy and that was that. Actually,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had experience recently. I hope My well,

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Speaker 2: I hope my is not angry that I'm saying this,

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Speaker 2: but I love him to death. But I released a

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Speaker 2: not all of my material is about being gay, which

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Speaker 3: But you know, there's no time to get into that.

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Speaker 2: But like, when I was mapping out the material for

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Speaker 3: Is, right, right right?

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Speaker 4: I hope I'm not just trying to jam this in there,

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Speaker 4: it just happens. It could be about a billion things,

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Speaker 4: many gay shows, you know there's or that they can't

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Speaker 3: You got to just call a behavior.

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Speaker 4: You go, you're so afraid to say you're not all

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Speaker 4: I have a problem with it. Instead of coming up

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Speaker 3: It's not the real reason.

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Speaker 4: I'm not arguing with you. I'm telling you so if

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Speaker 4: you it would hold on, hold on, I'm sorry. I'm

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Speaker 4: sorry if you if you're able to h to just

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Speaker 4: say that, like, you know, be honest with yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I watched up.

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Speaker 4: And I say, here's an example of it, if you

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Speaker 4: are one hundred percent all right with it. I watch

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Speaker 4: easy for me to get over just it's a love story.

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Speaker 4: I saw a past, and that should be the same way.

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Speaker 4: If you're truly you're not a bad person. If you're

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Speaker 2: other direction, because we developed a group of friends in

435
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Speaker 2: New York at some point that were like all gay guys,

436
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,000
Speaker 2: and then we forgot that that was not the average

437
00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,440
Speaker 2: person's experience, and I went, like, when I was starting

438
00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,040
Speaker 2: out in Boston, it was very much like I was

439
00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,280
Speaker 2: very often the only gay person on a lineup, very

440
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 2: often performing for like super straight like clubby crowds. And

441
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,720
Speaker 2: then in Brooklyn it's just so easy to get used

442
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,520
Speaker 2: to like queer rooms and like shows that are like

443
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:10,960
Speaker 2: all gay.

444
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even sometimes I still feel myself being like

445
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,600
Speaker 1: old guard, Like I'll be like, you know, it's really

446
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 1: important you cut your teeth in front of a like

447
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 1: a mixed crowd, like you gotta go where people don't

448
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 1: like you. And it's like, I don't even know if

449
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 1: that's true, but I do have that in my head. Yeah,

450
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,480
Speaker 1: I kind of wish, I well, it does.

451
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 2: I know I do too, But I do get a

452
00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,400
Speaker 2: you get a sense of accomplishment when you see someone

453
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,240
Speaker 2: who like is not the type of person that would

454
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,679
Speaker 2: like you and or that would relate to you in

455
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 2: day to day life, and then you say something. You

456
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 2: see them laugh, You're like, well I did it. That

457
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 2: is more difficult than making like some random gay guy

458
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,119
Speaker 2: laugh that like could be my friend.

459
00:19:46,280 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 1: That's true, it's true, it's complex. Should we do our

460
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 1: first segment?

461
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 2: Oh sure, okay, Toddy, I mean this is a get

462
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 2: ready get ready because this is stupid.

463
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 1: No, this is good. Our first segment is called straight Shooters,

464
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,359
Speaker 1: and in this segment going to ask you a series

465
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 1: of rapid fire questions. It's basically this thing or this

466
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: other thing, and you just have to pick one.

467
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 3: Okay.

468
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: The only rule is you can't ask any follow up

469
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: questions or we will fucking scream sort of a rha test,

470
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Speaker 1: and we kind of judge you based on the answers.

471
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Speaker 3: But there's no rules. Okay, okay, here, okay, let me

472
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Speaker 3: get a drink, all right, no passing.

473
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 2: No passing, okay, George live laugh love or zip zaps.

474
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Speaker 3: Up, zip zops up.

475
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Speaker 1: It's about the notes you don't play or these overnight

476
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Speaker 1: oats are just okay.

477
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Speaker 4: It's about the notes you don't play. Oh, this is

478
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Speaker 4: great because when zip zeps oh, no, number one, I.

479
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Speaker 1: Forgot Domino's pizza or Checkers the.

480
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 3: Dog Domino's pizza. I'm always hungry.

481
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Speaker 1: One battle after another or one tattle upon your brother? Oh,

482
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Speaker 1: can you say, one battle after another or one tattle

483
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Speaker 1: upon your brother?

484
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 3: One battle after another?

485
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Speaker 1: Jesus take the wheel, or gorgeous, I'll have the veal.

486
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 4: Gorgeous veal pluribus or struggle bus, A struggle bus.

487
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 3: I don't even know what that U.

488
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Speaker 1: Benching four hundred pounds or belching so freaking loud.

489
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Speaker 3: Oh, benching. I don't want to bouch.

490
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: Setting reasonable expectations or getting teased and bullied on vacation.

491
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: Setting reasonable wow. Wow, I don't want to get bullied. No.

492
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: Right, So we read our guests on the scale of

493
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Speaker 1: zero to one thousand.

494
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Speaker 4: Wait a second, I don't see any machine talent. It's there. Oh,

495
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 4: I see it now, it's we have proprietary technology.

496
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Speaker 3: How did I do?

497
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: I think really well?

498
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: I think really well.

499
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Speaker 2: The number one thing is you laughed at all of

500
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Speaker 2: our rhymes. And the primary reason we do the segments

501
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: of people can give a sort of validation.

502
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: And this segment hurts when someone just goes, hey, b.

503
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, no, we want we want you to look

504
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 2: like you're having fun, and I.

505
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Speaker 5: Think, like, just so funny because everyone is always someone

506
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Speaker 5: to want used.

507
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: No one knows what we want from them.

508
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: Everyone is confused, and it's how you react to that

509
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: really stays a lot about you.

510
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Speaker 4: I got nervous, I though you're gonna be Did you

511
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Speaker 4: ever hook up at a behind it? And I was like, oh, God,

512
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,239
Speaker 4: well did you? I never did bring it up.

513
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Speaker 1: The lady dos protest too much. I think that was

514
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Speaker 1: an amazing performance. I say, nine and ninety nine doves.

515
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Speaker 3: I completely agree.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of behind cast a gas station, tell me

517
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Speaker 2: if this means that I have somehow like internalized shame

518
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: or something great. One of my biggest pet peeves stop there,

519
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 2: you do?

520
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 3: I do? Yeah.

521
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 2: One of my biggest like pet peeves slash sort of

522
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: complaints is like when people on in like a podcast

523
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: setting or in a comedy show setting, when something is

524
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: like sex themed. When you go on like a sex

525
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: and relationships podcast and you're like, oh, I'm here to

526
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: promote my work, and then they're like, so, how many

527
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: people have you fucked in the last six months? I'm like,

528
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 2: I don't even feel shame about sex, but I'm like,

529
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: that's actually private.

530
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

531
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Speaker 1: I think I am quick to share, but I'm also

532
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: quick to regret it. But I don't share a lot

533
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: on the podcast.

534
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Speaker 2: That's considering how it's generally sexually liberated you are, it's not.

535
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 2: I think you are relatively private about it.

536
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Speaker 1: No, that's a good point. I think it's like, well,

537
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: you gotta have some boundaries, folks.

538
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: That's true.

539
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 4: It's interesting to try to figure out, like do you

540
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 4: want to talk about it? Yeah, because I think deep

541
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 4: down I do enjoy talking to my friend about it.

542
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 4: But were you shy to talk about It's hard to

543
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 4: figure that out, Like should I get more comfortable or

544
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 4: are these you know what I heard. Maybe this isn't

545
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: answering the question, but oh Savage Dan Savage, he said

546
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Speaker 4: someone and I know these are just his theories, but

547
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 4: he says a lot of clean theories sometimes, you know,

548
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 4: when it says to sharing everything, you know, someone was

549
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 4: asking him and he because my parents said this, my

550
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 4: brother does, He goes, Listen, you don't have to share

551
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 4: everything with everybody. You just have to share enough that

552
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 4: you can be pretty close to your authentic self.

553
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

554
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Speaker 4: So can you not share that? And can you not

555
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 4: share that? But you still get to be your authentic self?

556
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 4: And I think for a lot of people. When they

557
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 4: heard him say that, you went, oh, okay, okay, yeah,

558
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 4: you don't have to share if you have a fetish

559
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 4: or have this thing, you don't not everybody has to

560
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 4: know everything. But you can't hide that you're gay, because

561
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 4: then there's no way you could be right or whatever

562
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 4: you are.

563
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Speaker 1: You know, what I really appreciate is someone kind of

564
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: I kind of appreciate and overshare because I'm never sort

565
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Speaker 1: of like, I kind of appreciate someone who like gets

566
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: too drunk or something, or like someone who like taking

567
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: attention away from you, because then I'm like, Okay, finally

568
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: I can relax. Now I can say something crazy. It's

569
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: never going to be what they said.

570
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an important role in the group for someone

571
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Speaker 2: to be the drunk one.

572
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: Someone has to do it because everyone, if not everyone else,

573
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: is like, oh I had my one glass, I'm good,

574
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: thank you. Like I need someone to be reckless and

575
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: it can't be me.

576
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Speaker 3: That's what I was afraid to do.

577
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 4: I want the only drug I've never I've only done well,

578
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 4: you know, liquor if you call that a drug, A

579
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 4: pot and mushrooms. Yeah, but one night I was somebody

580
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 4: I want to do acts. That's the only thing I

581
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 4: want to do is act. I want to make sure

582
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: it's pure. Can we get it from like you know

583
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 4: everybody wants? Yeah, people, but you know, I know no

584
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 4: one care. Everybody cares, but you know some people might

585
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 4: be more maybe. But there was one night it was

586
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Speaker 4: my friend and his and her boyfriend who is what

587
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Speaker 4: I call a you know, just absurdly good looking, just

588
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 4: like disgustingly good, pretty handsome both.

589
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: And I was and he's the sweetest person.

590
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Speaker 4: And I was afraid, this was just like two years ago,

591
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: that if I did Molly, I would start petting him

592
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 4: or something and like sharing too much.

593
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Speaker 3: I do fear that. And I was like, oh, what's

594
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Speaker 3: going to happen if I do that? So I didn't

595
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Speaker 3: do it, but I never told them no.

596
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: But this is like that's such a real I mean

597
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: when I was in high school and everyone was like drinking,

598
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I can't drink, and like I

599
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: did it as like I'm a good kid, but really

600
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: I was like, what if I get drunk and like.

601
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: And come out and come out. I can't do that.

602
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: I can't I relate with that.

603
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Speaker 4: One night I thought I did really like, what the

604
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 4: fuck with my friend Mike? I was like, did I

605
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 4: just I worked into a sweat a flop sweat. And

606
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 4: that was the only time I never messed up on stage,

607
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 4: which is not you know, not bragging about it.

608
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: It's not healthy. But I never said boyfriend. Yeah.

609
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: I think if I did, I would have just gone, yeah,

610
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 4: my boyfriend.

611
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Speaker 3: You know, I overdid it to make it look totally

612
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: it was a joke. Yeah.

613
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Speaker 2: Well, the not wanting to pet the hot strike, I

614
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: think is really really well. It reminds me of like

615
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: the Maria Bamford like she was diagnosed with unwanted thoughts syndrome,

616
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: which is like one of the most amazing names for it,

617
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: because I have that and often I have it. When

618
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: you're at your most comfortable is when a thought comes.

619
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: It's like when you're like holding a baby and you're like,

620
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna drop it. Like it's that kind of thing,

621
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: like when you're at your most comfortable and even like

622
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: self actualized, like you were with friends that you loved

623
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: and you were like presumably at a concert or party

624
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: or something like, but of course you're like, I'm gonna

625
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: get too comfortable and do something that will ruin everything.

626
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: And it's true, by the way, Yeah, I know. And

627
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: like once if you're with a fight, you're like, what

628
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: if I make out with them? Right the summer after

629
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: high school when I did start drinking, yeah, Like I

630
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: was instantly like at a party with like basically frat

631
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: people and like, I like, like a southern fratty guy.

632
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm unfortunately addicted to and it's not something I'm necessarily

633
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: proud of. But I was like drunk and like following

634
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: this man around like a mouse fallowing cartoon cheese. Like.

635
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: I was like I could not stop being like yeah,

636
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: I'll do that, Yeah, what do you want? I was

637
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: like being so crazy, And afterwards I was like, enough,

638
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: I can't do this around these people.

639
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: You know, I think this is on the same lines.

640
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 4: I had a theory that a lot of times maybe

641
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: there could be no truth do this whatsoever. But a

642
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: lot of times there's the best man at a wedding

643
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 4: is to the guy is a gay friend, because when

644
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: you were in the closet, you were giving one hundred

645
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 4: percent to this person, and even if you had a

646
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 4: crush on him and you never did anything inappropriate, you

647
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 4: just had a crush, you never but you're you're available,

648
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 4: you want to drive there, you want to drive there,

649
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 4: you want to do it so you become close. And

650
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: if that person ends up being you know, secure with

651
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: themselves and the friendship after you find out, because I.

652
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 3: Would like I did this.

653
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 4: I was so nervous that I would like, you know,

654
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: get and that's what I and the thing was, that's

655
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 4: what I would do to get out of Like if

656
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 4: someone said that girl is a crush on you, I

657
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 4: would just start drinking, really because I would get out

658
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 4: of it by being sloppy drunk. Oh, so anybody you

659
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: know one time I saw a girl walking down the

660
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 4: street in Villanova.

661
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: I was like twenty two years old. I saw a

662
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Speaker 3: go oh man.

663
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 4: I talked about how hot she was, you know, and

664
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: how hot she was like, and then my friend one

665
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: night we're at this bar.

666
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: My friend was todd, that girl's here, and I'm like, motherfucker.

667
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 4: Oh Jesus Christ, why I just started I would just

668
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 4: get sloppy drunk.

669
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: Wow, that's so interesting.

670
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: I do forget about that side of closetedness. I know,

671
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 1: like I fully forgot about like people are like and

672
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: that girl's interested in you.

673
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: The weird biggest partress. I remember when I was in college.

674
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: I think I came out to my parents like junior

675
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: year of college or something. But the first couple of

676
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: summers or Christmas when i'd be back, my mom was

677
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: obsessed with sitting next to me, putting her arm around

678
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: me and being like, so, what's going on with the ladies?

679
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: And she was and she like wouldn't let up until

680
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: I just said something to appease her. I'd be like,

681
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's like fine, blah blah blah, but she

682
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: needed specific so and finally I had to be like, okay,

683
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: you got me.

684
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: I have a girlfriend, like I just.

685
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 2: Like had to yeah, And then like next time they

686
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: would ask about it, I'd be like, oh, yeah, that's

687
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: not happening anymore.

688
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: Like I didn't.

689
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't so sociopathic that I like weaved a hole,

690
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: like her name is Jessica and like she's coming over

691
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: for Easter. Yeah, but I just needed her to stop.

692
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: And it made me feel so bad about myself.

693
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh that's really tough.

694
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 4: That's why, you know, I think this is helpful. That's

695
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: why I'm putting it out there. I think that's why

696
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 4: when I see people, I think there's a lot of

697
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: people that say they're okay. Obviously there's people that are

698
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 4: okay with whatever you're called. Gay marriage people, I think

699
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 4: a lot just don't complain about it anymore. And I'll

700
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: tell you why, because when the next issue comes down

701
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 4: the road, they don't seem to make an intelligent choice.

702
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: And that's why I say, like, when someone's not drinking anymore,

703
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 4: they have to go back to these people, not because

704
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 4: they're say, well, having drank in three years, now, why

705
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: are we gonna go back and apologize to my grandmother?

706
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: So you know, maybe I'm excited the carnage you left behind.

707
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: It's not to be mean to you. And I think

708
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: that's what a lot of people don't do when they say, Okay,

709
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: I'm okay with gay marriage, I'm okay with gay people.

710
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: I think part of it you have to go back

711
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 4: and realize the things that what you did to people,

712
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 4: what you left behind, so you don't do it again.

713
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: I think there's a ton of people that say they're okay.

714
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: On podcast comedians, they say they're okay with gay marriage,

715
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 4: but they're not.

716
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: I bet when no one's around, they might go, you know, I.

717
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: Don't care, but it's still grossest and I don't know

718
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: when I see them kissing.

719
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't care.

720
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 4: I don't care, and they move on because the way

721
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: they're treating this new group, like if you really realize

722
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 4: that you messed up with that group, the next time

723
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: when an issue came along with non binar people treat

724
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: you'd go hold on. I made egregious decisions before that

725
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 4: really left a lot of people and caused a lot

726
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: of pain.

727
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: So now this is another crossroads.

728
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 4: This is like it's not gay marriage, but yeah, so

729
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sit back, I'm gonna listen more.

730
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: So I don't do what I did with that.

731
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: So that's why I realized a lot of people I

732
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: can tell by words they're fighting for you go, oh

733
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: you're not okay, Yeah, you didn't get good with that.

734
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: You just stopped complaining about that.

735
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

736
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 4: Yes?

737
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: Completely?

738
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: It also is it's like putting a band aid on

739
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: your prejudice rather than working on it. Like it's like

740
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: people using different words. It's like sometimes you'll hear someone, yeah,

741
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: say something that is fully offensive or misogynist, but use

742
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: the word sex worker instead of prostitute, and they it's

743
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: like but the thing you're saying is still offensive. You

744
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: just like use the right word or it's like, I mean,

745
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: it's the equivalent of someone being like I just don't

746
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: care for.

747
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: LGBTQ plus people. It's like, well, just.

748
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: Because you said that instead of gay or instead of

749
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: like right, the f slur doesn't mean. And I think

750
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: the broader, the broader issues that you have to have,

751
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: like empathy for people with different experiences than you. You

752
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: can't be going from issue to issue and re alerting

753
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: the same lesson every time.

754
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know that's exactly yeah, because you know,

755
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: you know, I forget sometimes you hear these things, and

756
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: I thought it was brilliant. Nice steal it all the

757
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: time when I'm talking about people when they go, I

758
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: don't know what words you use and what words you don't,

759
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna go ahead and I'll make it like,

760
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: you know, whether it's retarded or gay as a gay

761
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: as it you know is that they don't. They always

762
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: say I can't say it anymore, and I go, I

763
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: don't want you to not say it because you can't.

764
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 4: I want you to not say it because you don't

765
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: want to typical, because.

766
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: It would be like to me.

767
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 4: When somebody goes, oh, you can't say that anymore. I

768
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 4: think that would be like if you went to let's

769
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 4: say you went to child you had a kid, and

770
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: you go to a couple of child therapy to learn

771
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: how to communicate with your kid better, and you're if

772
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 4: you're a smart person, you tell the story. Well, yeah,

773
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: I learned with my daughter. Now we went to the

774
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 4: counseling and I learned with a new kid. I'm better,

775
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: like you know, I don't say you're a lazy pig.

776
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 4: I mean I'm a better person for it, and uh yes,

777
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: and my relationship with all my kids is so much

778
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: better now.

779
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: That would be a person that did it will. But

780
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 3: the other way of the person go I can't say it.

781
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: Is to go oh, I can't call my daughter a fat,

782
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 4: lazy big anymore.

783
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: Oh I can't wait. You mean you want to still?

784
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: So you stopped it by a court order instead of going, oh, no,

785
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 4: my life is better now. So like I don't want

786
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: anyone to stop using words. I want them to want to.

787
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: And that's the question, not why don't you stop that?

788
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 4: Why don't you want to?

789
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you might disagree with.

790
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: Me, but at least now we can have an honest conversation.

791
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: Why do you want to hold onto that word? And

792
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: I think it's a lot because they don't realize that

793
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 4: what it leaves behind, you know. But I don't want

794
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 4: anybody to stop saying anything if they don't want to,

795
00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 4: you know.

796
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

797
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 1: Well there's almost like you need to take like an

798
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: empathy test in order to like use whatever word you want,

799
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: because like someone like like stop. Do you know the

800
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: comedian Stavros Hawkius. He's he's really great. He's like a

801
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: he's a straight guy, and he like I think he

802
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: is part of the community that sort of like calls

803
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: things gay. Sure, but it's like but he is so

804
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: sweet and not homophobic that I'm sort of like, yeah, you've.

805
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: Earned fine, and he has, and he's doing it almost

806
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: as a yo, well it is that's.

807
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: A joke, and I'm sort of like he there's like

808
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: a way you can almost like have the empathy and

809
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: like be able to do it.

810
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: It's like I can, I can. I mean, I don't

811
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: want to get a hot water here, but it's like

812
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: you can. I can be hanging out with a close

813
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: female friend of mine and in conversation be like okay, bitch,

814
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: and that is and it is not reading as.

815
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: A misogynist slur.

816
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: But I can also be like a sexist guy literally

817
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: calling a woman a bitch, and it is right.

818
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: I think this is where, for.

819
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 4: What it's worth, I don't want to go on too

820
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: long about this. The subject always in That's where I

821
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 4: think a lot of confusion happens when you're using it ironically.

822
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: And you know, whenever I hear a comedian, I hear

823
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 4: Jerry Seinfeld always talk about like, you know, this is

824
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 4: what everyone should do, and I go, well, I hope

825
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 4: it's not what I sound like. Yeah, I just want

826
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: to say, here's what's worked for me. Sometimes in comedy

827
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 4: you hear adages it's up to you whether you want

828
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 4: to go. Oh, I'm going to apply that to when

829
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 4: I do comedy. It's up to you. You don't have to.

830
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: But one of them that I heard Gary Shanling say

831
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: that just stuck with me, is be careful. You're not

832
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 4: feeding idiots. Now, you don't have to be careful. But

833
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: if you say, in other words, no, I'm not racist

834
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 4: or I'm not homophobic, then you're probably gonna take that

835
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: to heart. You can't go no, I'm not racist, I'm

836
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: not homophobic. Hey, how about that adage? Do you apply

837
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 4: that to your act? Be careful? You might be feeding

838
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: idiots to go No, well, then you're probably not one

839
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 4: hundred percent, because I think you would. I don't want

840
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 4: if you could have a joke and no, from your heart,

841
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: you're not. But can you go with somebody in the

842
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 4: audience that is racist or homophobic or sexist?

843
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: Would you feed them?

844
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: And I think that's why some of that stuff sometimes

845
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: you gotta be careful.

846
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: It can be interpreted, it can be interpreted and feed

847
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: an audience.

848
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 4: And sort of that's a good point, you know, that's anyway,

849
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: But but that I try to be careful that like,

850
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 4: because I have you know, when I'm around my house, yes,

851
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 4: I have a twisted sense of humor because I know

852
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: one fucking hundred percent the people that I'm in my

853
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 4: living room with know that it's just absurd.

854
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: And that's why it's so funny. You know.

855
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 4: It's like after you have a very intelligent conversation at

856
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: your house about being who you are and then all

857
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: of a sudden, go oh, you at least's coming up,

858
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 4: but she's bringing her girlfriend. I go, oh, she date's

859
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 4: a girl gross in that moment, in that moment, but

860
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: an audience doesn't know, you know, if you're using it

861
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 4: ironically or not, or what you're feeling.

862
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 3: Anyway. It's a good point.

863
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: And of course what complicates even further is uh, like

864
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: a non in person audience, because you can you can

865
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: build an audience like you at this point have like

866
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: a people know you enough that when you go to

867
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: do a show, they like, maybe share your politics, we

868
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 2: share your point of view. But then a random person

869
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: can find a video of you and be the idiot

870
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: that you are inadvertently accidentally.

871
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: Feeding, right, you know what I mean? Which applicates that.

872
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 4: And you decide whether you want to sort of take

873
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: that in yeah consideration sometimes Yeah, and that's that's the

874
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 4: comedian's choice.

875
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: The comedian's choice. Median's choice.

876
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: Well, should we get into our topic?

877
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: Yes? I would love that.

878
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Todd, what is your straight topic today? And what

879
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: is straight about it?

880
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: Oh? Jeez? You know when I saw that in there,

881
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: I was like, what, uh do you mean the one

882
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: we talked about?

883
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 4: It's so so it's a perfect topic.

884
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I don't want you to be insecure about

885
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: It's a great. Cool.

886
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 4: I have a problem like people that have houses, yeah,

887
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 4: and they have money. These people I see it in videos.

888
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 4: I see it in like where they build a fire

889
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 4: pit and it puts cement benches all around it.

890
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like cement benches.

891
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: Oh, you're talking an indoor fire pitch. I always imagining

892
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: like a bonfire. Okay, yes, I love this same.

893
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: Well it's on like a patio.

894
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 4: It's on a patio. Okay, I get outdoor patio. It's

895
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: a gas maybe it's a gas fire pit.

896
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not. But then I say, oh, this is

897
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: this one sucks? No, it's great. So like whenever I watch.

898
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 4: It, I go, what Who's gonna cozy up on a cement?

899
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: And also when you have people over the house, the

900
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: best thing to do is have a fire pit and

901
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 4: then have like maybe five. Hey, look, if you have

902
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: tons of money, which I don't, but if you do

903
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: these people that build these fire pits that you know

904
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 4: were thirty thousand dollars, you get high end at around

905
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: ex chairs, you put four around it, then you have

906
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: six behind maybe the garage. So if it builds, you know,

907
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: you can get a fire pit with four and then

908
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 4: you can widen it and keep pulling the chairs out

909
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 4: and get seven or eight but with cement benches, and

910
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 4: I always looking, I go, what the fuck you just

911
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 4: spend thirty dollars and a landscaper that went to school,

912
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 4: he went to this is his thing, and no one went,

913
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 4: you know, you're not gonna be able to get But

914
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 4: so the joke is me and my friend we always

915
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 4: send each other pictures of you know, like I'll go

916
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: online a landscaping company and look at the work they've

917
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 4: done and go, oh, look we just got a fire

918
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: pit done.

919
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: You gotta come over. It's so cozy. You know.

920
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 4: Last night we sat with a blanket and we cozied

921
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: up on our cement bench.

922
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: So that's my sort of.

923
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: Well, you're literally pointing to like a lack of fluidity,

924
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: like a home that is like we know there will

925
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: only be four people here at any given time. That

926
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: is the Maxican seat, and it's like that's because we

927
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: have like our nuclear family and that's whoever is going

928
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: to be here.

929
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: Well, there's also sort of sanitized, like you want your

930
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: house to be architectural digest ready so much that you're

931
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: willing to sacrifice comfort and like yeah, you're making people

932
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: wanting to be perfect to a point where it gets clinical.

933
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 3: It is very Arondick's chairs are just as nice.

934
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: And even, by the way, even if you had four

935
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: comfortable chairs around there and that's it, you never widen it.

936
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: But at least they are comfortable. You can you know,

937
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: but you.

938
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: Know, I I'm I'm curious. You love to host, like

939
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: this is an interesting thing about you. It's like you

940
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: love like you care so much about ambiance and vibe

941
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: and it's maybe one of like I think the straight thing,

942
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: like what there is a difference where like straight people

943
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: are sort of like not putting the weight on it

944
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: that it deserves. You know.

945
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 4: I always wonder if that's true or not, because you know,

946
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 4: I like, like, you know, like how many stuff is

947
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: societally like there's people that are straight one hundred percent straight.

948
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 4: I know I'm one hundred percent gay. I'm not on this,

949
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 4: you know, but I believe people are on the spectrum.

950
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 4: On that spectrum, I'm not so I believe there's a

951
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: but you know, they can be in the closet over

952
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 4: other things. That's what's very good point, the good part

953
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 4: about I think I asked a friend of mine that's

954
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 4: having trouble. I'll get to the with with you know everything.

955
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 4: Every I call it not a sexual revolution, but people

956
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: identifying different. She's having such a hard time with it,

957
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 4: And I say, can I ask you a question, isn't

958
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 4: there anything? Can't you join in even if it's not

959
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 4: your sexuality, even if you're straight and you are straight

960
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 4: from your heart, you're not lying.

961
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: Isn't there anything?

962
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 4: Because for me there is, you know, outside of being gay,

963
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: Like I've other things that I was personal about her.

964
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: I used to hide my love of ambiance on stage.

965
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,959
Speaker 4: I never talked about it because I thought it would

966
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 4: make me look gay, of course, and meanwhile, probably kissing

967
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 4: guys made me look good.

968
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: But it's hard to tell.

969
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 4: But I think that there's a lot of straight people

970
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: probably that are better at it than they admit. They

971
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 4: just keep it and those times are changing with that too.

972
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 4: That's what I like about it. It's harder people used

973
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 4: to go have good gadar. Their gaitar isn't as good

974
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 4: as the years pass on. Because there's a lot of

975
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: straight guys that are comfortable in there who they are

976
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 4: and if they happened to be flamboyant and so I

977
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 4: like that that it's harder for people to tell now,

978
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: but yeah, I care.

979
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm constant.

980
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: Can't believe how wrong. And when I stay wrong, I

981
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 4: don't mean right for me. People go, well, Todd, no, no, wrong.

982
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 4: Ambiance is so so done wrong. You go over someone's

983
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: house and it's so fucking.

984
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: Bright, I go, what are you doing?

985
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 4: That's why I'm afraid to go over some people's houses,

986
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 4: Like they go coming over, we're having a New Year's

987
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 4: Eve party. I go, If I go over and you

988
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: have every light on, I'm gonna be miserable. And so

989
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: like I'm constantly like you know, in my house, I

990
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: just you know what I say. When you go to

991
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 4: a resort and they have torches, it's low lit.

992
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: So just do that, you know, like emulate the thing

993
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: you think of as having a good ambiance.

994
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, but people get it off, people get it wrong. Yeah,

995
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: go ahead, Well I do something.

996
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: I am torn on whether it's like I'm just shy

997
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: of showing my eyebalance or if I literally don't get it.

998
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: Because sometimes you'll go to someone's house and you're like,

999
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: but you do live like this, like you are like

1000
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: suffering from flights every single day.

1001
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 4: Do you know what my my X said that I

1002
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: ruined him, Like when he's at a wedding and it's

1003
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 4: so bright because I used.

1004
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: To never take it in Oh for you?

1005
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and then no one's dancing, no wonder, no

1006
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: one's fucking dancing. It's bright and these are wedding planners.

1007
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: This is what you do.

1008
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 4: So he was telling me that a friend has said,

1009
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 4: you know, my new girlfriend is much better at ambience

1010
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 4: than I was. But he goes, now, I don't fight it.

1011
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: I love it, and I love the term he used.

1012
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 4: He goes, I was suffering, just unknowingly. Wow, I was

1013
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: unknowingly suffering because he likes the new way so much better. Hey, look,

1014
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 4: if you're someone that likes your house bright, okay, fine,

1015
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: there's maybe a small sector, but I think most people

1016
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 4: they just don't think about it. They'll come over my

1017
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: house and they'll have a little conversation and go, oh

1018
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 4: my god, I appreciate this so much. So I feel

1019
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: comfortable to go over to their house. And I get there,

1020
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the fuck Like, I can't hang out

1021
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: of here. And I'm not picking when I'm saying ten

1022
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 4: is it's brightness? I'm talking about like like we're shooting

1023
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 4: something with lights, I'm talking about this brighter than this. Yeah,

1024
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: oh completely, Yeah, and you're like, who's gonna want to

1025
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 4: hang out here?

1026
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: Let do it a lot? Yeah.

1027
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean the the what you're describing about, like men

1028
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: being taught something by their wives and then realizing they

1029
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: have been suffering in silence this whole time, I think

1030
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: expands with so many other things. It's like, I like,

1031
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: for example, it's like men will just like not buy underwear.

1032
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: They'll be like wearing like old, tattered underwear, and then

1033
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: their wives will be like, so you should buy a

1034
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: new underwear every few years, and then they'll do it

1035
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: and they'll be like, oh my god, it's like so

1036
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: much better. I feel so much more comfortable all the time.

1037
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's I'm sure there's things that I have

1038
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 4: like that too that I didn't use. Well, you know what,

1039
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 4: in my first relationship, I didn't used to trim my nails.

1040
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 4: That they were just like on a scale from one

1041
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 4: to ten. They weren't tenure, but they were five or

1042
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: six interesting. And now I'm like obsessed with I think

1043
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: about Chris all the time and the trim your nails

1044
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: trim your nails.

1045
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: Trim your nails.

1046
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I remember we used to go talk about

1047
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 4: how like this shit has changed time with me and

1048
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: I used to want to get a pedicure because it

1049
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 4: did feel good afterwards.

1050
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: Huh. But we were mortified.

1051
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I was like twenty thing he was. So

1052
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 4: we would make up this bullshit story. We were going

1053
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 4: to a wedding and our girlfriend. It was in San Diego,

1054
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 4: and our girlfriend said, if we don't get pedicures, they're

1055
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: not going on the beach.

1056
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: Now that's classic, that's amazing.

1057
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 4: And we would go on our way to go tell

1058
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: that story and we couldn't go to the same place

1059
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 4: to get a pedicure.

1060
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: Oh how many weddings do you have? Now? It's like

1061
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: so funny, like of course I don't care anymore, and

1062
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: I go and I get one. That's amazing. But little

1063
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: things like that, life's you know, wow, Well.

1064
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: This is I mean, I've told this story before, but

1065
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: this is the classic story that I told you where

1066
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: my dad went to like buy underwear, but was afraid

1067
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: of seeming like he cared too much, so he just

1068
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: goes to the sales. The salesperson's like, what are you

1069
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: looking for and he goes my mom usually just buys

1070
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: them for me. But he was like, you know, twenty

1071
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: seven at the time, he was old to be saying that,

1072
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 2: but he just is like, I can't be bothered with esthetics,

1073
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: and that's something my mom does.

1074
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: Well, this is there.

1075
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: We do have like a leg up on like on beyond,

1076
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: I think, because like it's almost I do think we're

1077
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: like we have a bit of an arms race of

1078
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: ambiyons in like the gay community. Yes, well, where it's

1079
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: like there's a competition of like, well, I went to

1080
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: his apartment and it was actually gorgeous and they actually

1081
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: have this style of lamp. Yeah, And I'm like, I

1082
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: didn't know we were doing that style of lamp. And

1083
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: then it's like I go home and I'm like, well, fuck,

1084
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: my lamps are fucking hideous, and I'm like, well, I

1085
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: gotta go to the store. It got it time to

1086
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: go on eBay and find the perfect vintage lamp because

1087
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: that's what we all have to have.

1088
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: But you know what, this is the opposite you're talking

1089
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: about being closeted about loving ambions. I think in the

1090
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: current in the current era of like or I guess

1091
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: if you live in a community where everyone is out,

1092
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: everyone is comfortable. You're no longer you don't have any

1093
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: issues with your masculinity or with your homestictuality or whatever.

1094
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: Almost the opposite happens, where you feel like, because you

1095
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: were a gay man, you should know about ambionce, but

1096
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: you sometimes don't have an inherent talent for it. This

1097
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: is this is so you like go because so you're like, Okay,

1098
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: well it has to look fabulous, but I but I'm

1099
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: not gonna and I'm gonna just trust my gut. And

1100
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 2: then suddenly you have like a purple tinted lamb like

1101
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: Tutuo's on the chair, like it's you you you think

1102
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: that more is more and you're like, it's all. It's

1103
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: like the opposite of being ashamed of your instincts and

1104
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: not trusting them. You trust them too much.

1105
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah you're not self critical, Yes exactly. You lose the

1106
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: self criticism and you're like, being gay is enough. Like

1107
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: anything anything I choose will inherently be taste, because I

1108
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: like anything I touch turns to all Beyonce.

1109
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 3: I think I'm always trying to what you're talking about,

1110
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 3: Like is it? Uh, you know, is it? Is it?

1111
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 4: Women do this or men or like that. How much

1112
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 4: of its societal and some of it. I don't believe

1113
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: women are. I believe women can be biologically less baby

1114
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 4: horny than this is my theory. I could be totally wrong.

1115
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm wide open to go oh, I used to think that.

1116
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: With that said, I don't think it's biological. How much

1117
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 4: women are that less horny than men. I think it

1118
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 4: might be, but not to the proportions because they were shamed. Yeah,

1119
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 4: so I think it's the same thing with ambiance. I wonder,

1120
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 4: you know how much of that is because they're shamed

1121
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 4: or like when we used to go gay people have

1122
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: good tastes, I thought maybe it's because they're not getting married,

1123
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 4: they're staying in the closet, they can still go to

1124
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 4: the gym, they didn't have kids.

1125
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 3: It's an hour comes to make the house nicer.

1126
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: So I think that changes as gay people have kids

1127
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 4: more and now they don't have time to go to

1128
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 4: the gym, and maybe their house isn't this perfect because

1129
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 4: that's a good point, because they're joining a lot of

1130
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 4: those things to get in the way of that.

1131
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: So it's not as it's a really good point that

1132
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: it's also you know, they if you're you're facing more prejudice.

1133
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: If you're closeted, you suppress so much that it comes

1134
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: out in other like all your creative energy that maybe

1135
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: would have been put into having better relationships or whatever,

1136
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: it comes out and just couches sofas, armchairs, fabric, fabric. Yeah,

1137
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: and now it's like, Okay, you have like designer twins,

1138
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: you work at the big company. Your taste is just

1139
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: as bad as uh yeah, as as your straight neighbors.

1140
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 4: Because my friend goes I told him about I go

1141
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 4: straight culture, like because I saw the thing.

1142
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 3: He was cargo shorts, perfect exam.

1143
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 4: There's a lot of gay guys wearing cargo where you live, yes,

1144
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: the thing, you know, it depends where you live.

1145
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 3: That's so funny. Cargo shorts are back. I know, No,

1146
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: I saw it there the other day. I go, I can't.

1147
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: They're back, but not for me. I got some last

1148
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: summer and they're coming out again this summer. Well, they

1149
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 3: are the thing with all those things.

1150
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: They are so comfortable and once you if you just

1151
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 2: convince yourself that you don't mind looking like you're wearing

1152
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: cargo shorts.

1153
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 4: Then I saw a pair of cargo sweatpants the other day. Yeah,

1154
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 4: it looks so comfortable. Yeah, I go, I don't know

1155
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: if I could, I know.

1156
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: But so the fire pit as a symbol generally, I

1157
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: also do think has some like straightness to it, like

1158
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: camping as a thing, even if it's like in your backyard,

1159
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: you're like taking camping and like putting it in a cage.

1160
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: And then like there's like because to be in a

1161
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: around a fire pit it implies like camps all and

1162
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: even like whiskey. Yeah, like stuff that's like has all

1163
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: these things. I guess it's just like regimentedness that feels

1164
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: very straight to me.

1165
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 2: Well, it also gives the man of the house something

1166
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: to do. That's it's like that's he's building a fire.

1167
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: That is like the most validating in terms of someone's

1168
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: masculinity thing they can do.

1169
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, yeah, you make food every day and

1170
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: like it's like a barba. But like, look he built

1171
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: the fight exactly.

1172
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you know.

1173
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 4: I remember once in school, I was like in and

1174
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 4: out of special schools. This has to do with like

1175
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 4: being embarrassed, and I liked landscaping. Even when I was

1176
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 4: in second grade, I was in I couldn't see landscapers.

1177
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, I just wanted to be a

1178
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 4: landscaper so bad. My mom told my teacher in special

1179
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 4: school that I went to Wordsworth Academy that I like plants.

1180
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: So I remember the teacher going to me. She goes

1181
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 4: todd because she was trying to build my confidence. My

1182
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 4: mom said, well, he's.

1183
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: Good at plants. Asking questions about that, She goes tought.

1184
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 4: Your mom said you knew a lot about plants, because

1185
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: then she was gonna ask me a question.

1186
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: I go what, Yeah, she goes your mom said, I

1187
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 3: was in like sixth grade, you know all that plants.

1188
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: I go shrubs because I thought that was not I

1189
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: that was a gay.

1190
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 5: So I was like, shrub, I think I mean shrubs. Yeah,

1191
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 5: I think shrubs, you know. Because and then she goes,

1192
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 5: well what is this? And I was so she was

1193
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 5: so sweet. All my teachers were, but I was so

1194
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 5: you know.

1195
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 4: It probably knew I was gay at that point and everything.

1196
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: She and she goes, well, this plan here, what's wrong

1197
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 4: with it? It's not doing well? And I go, it

1198
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 4: has ick. You need to throw it out. It isn't

1199
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 4: even a disease. Plants get fish got it. And we

1200
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 4: had a fish tank, so I knew the fish would

1201
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: get iick.

1202
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: So I go, but so mean.

1203
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 4: I think back, how mean this poor teacher? She was

1204
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 4: probably twenty three years old, you know, And I'm like,

1205
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 4: throw it out there. You didn't boost my confidence, shrubs.

1206
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: It's so funny what we apply like shame to like

1207
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: to me a plant. I'm like, that's the most masculine

1208
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: thing you can care about. It's like a plant in

1209
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: a in a yard. But it is complicated because gardening

1210
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: is so gay and lap I shrubs shrubs its. Yeah,

1211
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: that's amazing.

1212
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 4: I you know, besides coming out, you know about ten

1213
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 4: years ago, like we just mentioned, I have like so

1214
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 4: many other things. I'm so happy that I'm, like I said,

1215
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 4: sort of not fighting this because there's a lot of

1216
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 4: gay people that are giving other groups struggling a hard time.

1217
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 4: Like they always get mad that people keep adding letters

1218
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 4: to the end of it. Look it's hard for me

1219
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 4: to remember too, but shut the fuck up. Let them

1220
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 4: add more letters, you know. But whatever, But I'm joining.

1221
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 4: I like it to be more and more just comfortable

1222
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 4: in my skin, not back. You know, like there's other

1223
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 4: things like I remember saying this even ten years ago,

1224
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 4: and I go, oh, you can get that out of

1225
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 4: here vocabulary. When I was talking about something like my weight,

1226
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: I would go Sometimes when you repeat it now, you

1227
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 4: even hate too because it's so like who I don't

1228
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 4: want to be Well, it's not a big deal what

1229
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 4: I'm about to say. Yeah, but I can do better.

1230
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 4: I go, I talk about my weight to go, I

1231
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 4: don't mean to be a woman about it. And I go,

1232
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 4: what do you mean a woman about it? Honest, isn't

1233
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 4: that what you're really talking about? So I stop that, like,

1234
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 4: just talk about your weight, like, go, I'm a little

1235
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 4: I feel a little fat right now, I don't you know.

1236
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, back then, I would go, well, well, I

1237
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 4: don't want to be a woman about it. It's like

1238
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 4: signing that that they care about their weight. But men don't.

1239
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 4: Men do they care about just as much in a

1240
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 4: big way. I have a question that is maybe annoying,

1241
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 4: and maybe we can skip. I came out of the closet.

1242
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 3: You sort of do this thing in that era.

1243
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't think people do it anymore where you're like, oh, well,

1244
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be like my whole personality. That's what

1245
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: I remember, like telling my friends, which is like problematic

1246
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: in any ways. But I was like, don't worry, I'm

1247
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: not I'm still me. I'm not gonna make it my

1248
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: whole personality. And the joke I make now is obviously

1249
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: that's a lie. It's fully my whole personality. It's who

1250
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: I hang out with, the music, I listen to, the books,

1251
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: I read, the movies I watch, it's my whole personality.

1252
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: I was lying to them. And have you found since

1253
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: publicly coming out, have your interests changed at all? Are

1254
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: you like, actually this thing that I thought I wouldn't like,

1255
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: I do, like, did that change your interests in any way?

1256
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 3: I think just being opened.

1257
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 4: And sometimes I'll ask myself that I'll go like even

1258
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 4: with my voice, like I swear this is seems so

1259
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: were But one that I went, my friend goes, I go,

1260
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 4: I talk like, I think this is how I talk,

1261
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 4: Like is it or is it?

1262
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: Is it?

1263
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: So?

1264
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: What do you call it?

1265
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 4: When it's repressed and you don't realize it's like a

1266
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 4: learned behavior? Yeah, like it's I'm sure there's gotta be

1267
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 4: some of that, Like I have no desire. I don't

1268
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 4: unless it's repressed to what I wear, you know, Like

1269
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: I uh, but I imagine, I get when somebody wants

1270
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 4: to wear a dress or something like that. I understand

1271
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: that they but like, go, I wonder, you know, meant

1272
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 4: to be my thing. But I wonder if how much

1273
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 4: of it's repressed. But now I think a lot of

1274
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 4: it's just I became more comfortable to talk about it.

1275
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 4: And there's probably other things I can't think of right now,

1276
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 4: but a lot of things like that, I thought that

1277
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 4: I would just you know, keep to myself and stuff.

1278
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 4: Or like I remember driving to my friend's house and

1279
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 4: when I was in a relationship, I would drive, and

1280
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 4: but I let my ex drive.

1281
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 3: But then I when we were a block away, I

1282
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 3: would switch and get in the car.

1283
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 4: It's like, sometimes I think back about that, and it's

1284
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: like it's sad and it's cute and it's and it's depressing.

1285
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: Like what we did one time.

1286
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 4: One time we had a fire in something happened in

1287
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 4: our neighbor and the fire department had the knock on

1288
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 4: the door. I wish I was making this up. I'm

1289
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 4: not exaggerating it. So we slept in one room and

1290
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 4: in the other room the bed stayed made. The fire

1291
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 4: department was coming in the house for some reason to

1292
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 4: get through the backyard. They needed to get through our house.

1293
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 4: You know, of course you let them do whatever they want.

1294
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 4: And we went in and messed up the other bed.

1295
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 3: The house.

1296
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: The fire department is like, wait a minute, there's a

1297
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: full fire happening. They're like, wait a minute, I think

1298
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: this guy's hold on these two guys gay unmade, and

1299
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: this one's made. And we get the absurdity of it.

1300
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 4: We got immediate. We get the absurdity of it. That's

1301
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 4: when people go to no one cares you.

1302
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 3: This is not about that.

1303
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 4: This is our deep, you know, denial of wanting anybody

1304
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 4: to know. But sometimes when I tell that story, did

1305
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 4: you make that up? No?

1306
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 3: I know, I didn't. You know, because you know we

1307
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: messed the bed up. That's amazing.

1308
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: We were joking on a recent app that being closet

1309
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: is like having military training. Like you're like thinking, I

1310
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right.

1311
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 4: You learn to be like very unassuming, stay out of

1312
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 4: the way, and I think sometimes for maybe bad.

1313
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 2: Like that, Well, it also hardens you because you're treating

1314
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: yourself so poorly that you actually implicitly give yourself permission

1315
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: to treat others poorly like you are you have this

1316
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: hardened shell and.

1317
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: You think of vulnerability as bad. Yes, wow, that is wild.

1318
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: I remember one other quick things pathetic. I think that's why.

1319
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 4: You know, like a lot of people, you know, they

1320
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 4: become causes, and I'm sure it happens with me, with

1321
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 4: other people's I just think it's a cause. No, there's

1322
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 4: people like these stories completely you get here. I think

1323
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 4: it's good to hear these stories, and I think I

1324
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 4: share them for reasons. People go oh. I knew that

1325
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 4: people were in the closet what it meant, but I

1326
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 4: didn't know what it meant. I'm not the only one.

1327
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 4: The other thing was we I have a duplex and

1328
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 4: above it, my friend Andrea lived with her friend Nikki

1329
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: as she rent you know, she rented it, and we

1330
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 4: were really close friends. And when I was having friends

1331
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 4: in from out of town, I would go, Andrew, please

1332
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 4: come downstairs just for ten minutes. And I would offer

1333
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 4: her like I want some big thing that she needed,

1334
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 4: I'll do it, and she could she just come down

1335
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 4: for ten minutes, just because when my friends came in

1336
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 4: the door there were girls there, and like that was

1337
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 4: so pathetic. Just please just for ten minutes, this please.

1338
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 4: And then my friends would come in, Hey, how you

1339
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 4: doing everything? And then they would go upstairs and there

1340
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: were okay, yeah, there's girls around. This place is of

1341
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 4: a pussy palace.

1342
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I do this is interesting, I think

1343
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: both of I mean, at least I'll speak for myself.

1344
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 3: I like to like kind of erase the closeted time.

1345
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but now I'm so out

1346
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: and everyone knows how comfortable I am blah blah blah

1347
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: blah blah, and it is like interesting to revisit and

1348
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: be like, all this stuff was very real, and I

1349
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: forget about it.

1350
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 4: That's so you do forget you until sometimes somebody one

1351
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 4: other quick things. When I used to set the table,

1352
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 4: I used to tell Andrea Lot or my friend Gina,

1353
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 4: I go, Gene. If anybody asks, I go, you say

1354
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 4: you set the table, and I go, don't. And then

1355
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 4: one time I want to have the anger that I

1356
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 4: had then, because sometimes you want to lessen the anger

1357
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 4: because you realize upsurted is now.

1358
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 3: But I'll give you the anger that I had. She

1359
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: they go, oh my god, the table looks so nice.

1360
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: Who said it? She goes, Todd did he didn't want

1361
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: me to tell anybody.

1362
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 4: I was so fucking man. No, I was like, just

1363
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 4: after left with the angel, what do you fucking do

1364
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 4: that for? I was so embarrassed. So after that I

1365
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,959
Speaker 4: would give her it was like a drill. I go, Okay,

1366
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 4: what are you gonna say when people ask you set

1367
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: the table? So then she went the other extreme, which

1368
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 4: was all right. When she would leaught, she goes, oh

1369
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 4: it was nothing. She would always meanwhile be like, but

1370
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 4: you don't have to say it's nothing. Take the glory.

1371
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: Look, it's nothing that it takes me two minutes. I'muick.

1372
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, that time, and I remember like how embarrassed

1373
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: I was that she said, oh, Todd said he didn't

1374
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 4: want anybody to know God.

1375
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: The gig guy touched to set a table and have

1376
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: people taken oue, I've got to take a peek at

1377
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: this table.

1378
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's also like, uh, this will happen with women

1379
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: friends who just love you and want to support you,

1380
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: but when you're closeted, it feels like a betrayal because

1381
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: they'll be like, yeah, thatd is so great. He's so

1382
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: good at insert gay thing here, Like he's so good

1383
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: at sitting the table, he's so he has such an amazing,

1384
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: amazing taste in uh, you know, fashion whatever, and you're like,

1385
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: don't say that, don't say that.

1386
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 4: Like we had.

1387
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: There was this family friend when I was a kid

1388
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: that used to come over and we would play with

1389
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 2: with barbies, and in my mind it was, you know,

1390
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: it's something that happened behind closed doors. I I we

1391
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: were in a bedroom and we were playing with barbies

1392
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: and the parents didn't have to know that that's what

1393
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: we were doing. And then one time she came and

1394
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 2: she goes, I brought the barbies because you like playing

1395
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: with them so much, And suddenly my secret was out,

1396
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: and you could hear a pin drop because both sets

1397
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: of parents were like, how do we deal with what

1398
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: was just said?

1399
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? I, oh, it's so funny that that type of stuff. Yes,

1400
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 3: I I relate with a Yeah.

1401
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: I have a distinct memory of my grandmother walking in

1402
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: on me playing with a bar because I have two

1403
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 2: younger sisters, so they were all over our uh playing

1404
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: the barbie, walking in seeing me do it, and then

1405
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: walking out of the room. And then and then I'm

1406
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: like where she were she and she was outside having

1407
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: a cigarette and she was like like puffing, puffing with

1408
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: a cigarette, being like I need a second to like

1409
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 2: process what just happened and then we can talk.

1410
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 4: Oh, I remember my mom or somebody saying me and

1411
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 4: my ex ex yeah Chris, Oh, and they were being nice.

1412
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: I should have been appreciative of it. They My mom

1413
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 3: didn't care. She would go, oh my.

1414
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 4: God, They're like Martha Stewart them. I'm like, oh my god,

1415
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 4: are you shooting me? You need to shut the fuck up. Well, yeah,

1416
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 4: you think everything is a slur. Someone will be like

1417
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 4: your wedding is so chic and you're like, oh, so

1418
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 4: you mean gay? Just say just like hey, then now

1419
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 4: now not so?

1420
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god. When I hear these stirs, it gets

1421
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 3: me wound up tight. I know thinking about it.

1422
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 4: The Barbie, Oh, I know it's I remember I was

1423
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 4: afraid to have my I wish I would have had

1424
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 4: my mom my podcast before she died just two years ago.

1425
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 3: But I was afraid, like does she know stuff that

1426
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: she's gonna tell? Oh my god. Todd used to.

1427
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 4: Comb my hair and I'm like, oh, I was like,

1428
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 4: that was the most embarrassing thing. But I go I

1429
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 4: didn't want to say, Mom, don't man.

1430
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1431
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 3: When I was when I was like I don't know how,

1432
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 3: probably in like second grade.

1433
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: You know.

1434
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, now I tell that I feel a little

1435
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 4: I feel a little gay. Yeah, this is the space

1436
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 4: for it, even for me to say I'm gay. It's

1437
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 4: pretty cool every time I say it.

1438
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 3: Do you know that.

1439
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 4: I don't know about you guys, but right now when

1440
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 4: I say it, I go, I'm appreciative. I can say

1441
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 4: it and also know, is this a better life than

1442
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 4: you thought you'd have? Completely because my I'm not making

1443
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 4: this up. My My thing was I was gonna meet

1444
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 4: I met another guy and he was like me, just

1445
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 4: a just a just a regular guy, and and we

1446
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 4: were friends, and we both bonded that our idea was

1447
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 4: we were we didn't have follow through it.

1448
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: This idea.

1449
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 4: We were going to meet a girl that cancer and

1450
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 4: then she would die. And then you say, I never

1451
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 4: got over blah blah blah.

1452
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 3: That was a plan. And he liked the plan. He goes,

1453
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 3: that's I had a plan like that.

1454
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 4: But in hindsight, and I wrote a book and I

1455
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 4: wanted to call it all ever wanted to meet was

1456
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 4: a nice girl with cancer, and and then I wanted

1457
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 4: they didn't want to let me call it that, and

1458
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 4: Simon and Schuster was so nice that I gave up

1459
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 4: on it, you know, I said, because they were so

1460
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 4: wonderful with the whole process, and I was nervous and

1461
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 4: I and I thought, I didn't even want to use

1462
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 4: the word closet in the book because I get out

1463
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 4: of the closet.

1464
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 3: I hated that too, none anymore.

1465
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I go, how but if we call

1466
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,479
Speaker 4: it all ever wanted to meet is a nice growth

1467
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 4: cancer and other dumb things, I said, to keep the

1468
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 4: closet door shut, so it sort of explains it in

1469
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 4: the title. I still think that would have been a

1470
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 4: better title. On the longer side was the subtitle, but I.

1471
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 3: Wanted to meet it. I even said all I ever

1472
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 3: wanted to meet was a nice growth of terminal disease.

1473
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 3: I was like, how's that? And then smaller writing another thing,

1474
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 3: don't say cancer anymore?

1475
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: Hello, you can't see that's no I do remember this

1476
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: is like I don't know, I'm yeah, I'm like already.

1477
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: I just remember being in high school and being like

1478
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: journaling and being like, okay, so you're gay, but you

1479
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: obviously that's not going to happen, so you can do this.

1480
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: You're very smart you're good at working, like you can

1481
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: have one family, like that'll you that'll be fun, and

1482
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: then like you'll do.

1483
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: Trips and like you'll be weird on the trip, right,

1484
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 2: the three dimensional chests you play with you you're like, Okay,

1485
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: so the one thing I obviously can't do is live authentically,

1486
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: So we can start from there, Like, so now how

1487
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: do we So that's sort of the foundation upon which

1488
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: my life is built.

1489
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 3: It is a lie.

1490
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: And then outside of that, let's see, I could make

1491
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and so then I could afford.

1492
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: Well, it's literally like okay, so I have to Like

1493
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: you're in high school and you're like, I need to

1494
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: get into a good college. Yeah, so I can make

1495
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: enough money to support both my family that's fraud, and

1496
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: then pay for big vacations just for me.

1497
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 3: It's so crazy, it is, and I think it's in

1498
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 3: the same Elana.

1499
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 4: I remember, like these things that don't have followed through,

1500
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 4: these ideas you have, you know, yeah, and one of

1501
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 4: them was there. I never I never did anything with

1502
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 4: a girl. I never fooled around with the girl, did

1503
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 4: either of.

1504
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 3: You I did? I mean, I like like made out

1505
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: with I've had sex with girls.

1506
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 4: I know, one day my friend Jimmy wanted to He

1507
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 4: was like, this girl and the other girl. Now I

1508
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 4: knew she just had a baby. She was like twenty

1509
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 4: two years old. She just had a baby. Now, just

1510
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 4: because she had a baby doesn't mean she wouldn't want

1511
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 4: to fool around. Yeah, But I remember I was in

1512
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 4: the car and my friend Jimmy and his that other

1513
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 4: girl went in the house and were sitting in the car,

1514
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 4: and I go, Todd, please, she's got a baby already.

1515
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 4: Like to me, that was okay, I don't have to

1516
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 4: have sex. Yeah, And I and I'm not kidding it.

1517
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 4: This is the most ever did with a girl. And

1518
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 4: I was like, Tod, you gotta do it. I took

1519
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 4: my hand and I put it on her knee, and then.

1520
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 3: I got it right off. And I just made an

1521
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 3: excuse to get out of the car and go, hey,

1522
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 3: let's go see what they're doing.

1523
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like, why did I think that her having

1524
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 4: a baby like that thing, like she's never gonna want

1525
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 4: to fool around again just because she had.

1526
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 3: A baby, you know.

1527
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, also putting the onus on her, yeah, being like

1528
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: it's not me, she had a baby.

1529
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 3: He was like so weird.

1530
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: Ever since the baby's just want to pull around exactly?

1531
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know where?

1532
01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: Man?

1533
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 3: Shall we do our final segment? Should? Okay? Do you want? Oh?

1534
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 2: Our final segment is called shout outs we give. It's

1535
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: an homage to the straight tradition of the radio shout outs.

1536
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: So you're you know, you're on Z one hundred. You're

1537
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 2: shouting out something you love.

1538
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 3: You're saying, you know.

1539
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out to shrubs, and

1540
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: we think of them on the spot. That's why we're

1541
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: both stalling right now. We think of them as we'll

1542
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: go and then you can go.

1543
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so let's see one more question, please please,

1544
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 4: if I have something I want to plug, No, no,

1545
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 4: we'll do that at the end.

1546
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: That beautiful, beautiful, No, don't worry, we will.

1547
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 3: I have one.

1548
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: Okay, what's up freaks, losers and perverts around the globe?

1549
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to chili. The

1550
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: food I think chili is often uses a punchline, and

1551
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: I think it no longer should be. I think this

1552
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: is a good food. It's spicy, it's easy to make.

1553
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: Not that I touched the stuff, but well it's easy

1554
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 1: for me. Shouldn't make folks, I don't know how to cook.

1555
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: Sam doesn't cook, but it's quick, it's delicious, protein heavy,

1556
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: I'll say, and people it's I think it's like seen

1557
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: as like a classless food. You don't see a gay

1558
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: guys throwing chili cook off nights, and I actually they

1559
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: do have one of the egles. I do think we

1560
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: need to embrace chili as a community, and I think

1561
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: we need to support chili, and I think maybe it

1562
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: needs a rebrand and I want to be the president

1563
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: of that reband. Shout out to Chili, Wow, I will

1564
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: do you one better. I want to give a shout

1565
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: out to baked beans. Whoa I am in a baked

1566
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: beans era. It's sort of I've never quite It's like sugar.

1567
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: It's like a dessert. It is so good, literally right

1568
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: out of the can.

1569
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: It talk about something that makes you feels like a

1570
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 2: real man is having a can of baked beans.

1571
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 4: I was.

1572
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: I made one the other day and just literally ate

1573
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 2: the entire thing by myself in my amazing sub la

1574
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: Sublet so shout out to make me and shout out

1575
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: to Chile. You know you're gonna be farting, but you're

1576
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: gonna enjoy yourself. Who all right, get ready?

1577
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 4: Oh I want to give a shout out to Bazuka

1578
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 4: bubble Gum. Oh nice, it's very good and I met.

1579
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 3: I love it.

1580
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 4: I just love the taste and it's and it's so

1581
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 4: good and not enough people do it. I get the

1582
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 4: Bozuka you know, the tape, and then I take little pieces.

1583
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 4: Oh my god, wow, and I love it.

1584
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 3: This is so shocking.

1585
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 4: Yes, in your pocket, yeah, I have like three of

1586
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 4: them in there because I can't well, I also have this,

1587
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 4: but I can't always get this type of Bazuka bubble gum.

1588
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 4: It's this tub here, this is already wrapped up.

1589
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: Oh.

1590
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 3: I love the flavor of it. And I'll tell you

1591
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 3: a little something personal.

1592
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 4: It reminds me one time I met this he played

1593
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 4: minor league baseball, and it was like one of the

1594
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 4: first people that I've ever had an experience with which,

1595
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 4: you know what, as bad as being in the closet,

1596
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 4: was the explosive, the explosive this of figuring out it's

1597
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 4: kind of That's why I know it was young. Uh

1598
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 4: what was the one the two guys there English heart Stoppers. Yeah, yeah,

1599
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 4: that movie that that that series really the fingers touching.

1600
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 4: I know when straight people care about and a guy

1601
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 4: cares about it growing their fingers.

1602
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 3: Touch they get the same same. It's different.

1603
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 4: This is different because so but he played he played baseball,

1604
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 4: and he would always choose Bozuka gum even when we

1605
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 4: were kissing, and it tasted so good to this day,

1606
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 4: whenever I think of it, I think of this.

1607
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 3: But the bazuka, the Bazuka gum.

1608
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 2: So, I mean, that's like something out of like a

1609
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 2: war movie where it's like you Bazuoka gum reminds you

1610
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 2: of the man that the beautiful.

1611
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 3: Well I was I thought you meant like a band

1612
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 3: that I like or something, but it can be anything.

1613
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 3: We're really I mean, I mean.

1614
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 4: A shout out to Andy Frasco, Couch Perfect and Todd.

1615
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: Where can people find you?

1616
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: What?

1617
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 3: What are you promoting? Tell us everything? Okay? Him? Do

1618
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 3: you swallow gum? Can I tell you something?

1619
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 2: My husband does that and he's literally like he and

1620
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: he says it's completely normal. I one time I was

1621
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: looking for somewhere to I was looking for a trash

1622
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: can and he's like, just swallow it. I was like, well,

1623
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 2: He's like yeah, I always just swallow gum.

1624
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 4: Okay, I can't say it's good. I'm sure people, I'm

1625
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 4: sure there's a reason not to do it, so I

1626
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 4: don't want to. But yes, I've been swallowing gum my

1627
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 4: whole life, and I never shout a bubble that I

1628
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 4: know of. But yeah, I don't know why I just

1629
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 4: swallow it because I think it's the same as crunching

1630
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 4: a piece of candy and swallowing it.

1631
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that different.

1632
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1633
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure a doctor would know the answer. Well, I

1634
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 3: just like the id that you just put it in

1635
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 3: your mouth. It was like because for me it was

1636
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 3: like taking a quick like take a French fry.

1637
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 4: Yeah. But anyway, I love that your husband. I've never

1638
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 4: met anybody my whole life. I'm not kidding you that

1639
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 4: that I'm not kidding said, Oh, I swallow my gum too. Yes,

1640
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 4: people can't believe that I swallow my gum.

1641
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 3: So but so h.

1642
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and you used to not be open about

1643
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: swallowing your gum. Now it's your whole personality. The gum

1644
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: swallower is here. Here he comes hydro gum.

1645
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 3: The uh oh plug. Yes, I long story, very short.

1646
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 4: I do you know, I've been doing stand up a

1647
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 4: long time, but in the last two years I've been

1648
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 4: working on a show and I have a band in

1649
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 4: the show.

1650
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 3: It's hard to explain. There's bits. It's stand up comedy.

1651
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 4: If anybody wants to go see a five minute highlight

1652
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 4: reel Todd Glass the event of a lifetime, it's on YouTube.

1653
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 4: They can get a little smell of the show. But

1654
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 4: we're going We just did it as part of the

1655
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 4: New York Comedy Festival. We did fifteen shows in a

1656
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 4: very teeny little room and they all sold out. And

1657
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 4: we're going back to do Joe's Pub all right, which

1658
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 4: if you don't know anything about Joe' Pub, I know

1659
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 4: you do.

1660
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 3: It's a very iconic place. Oh, our listeners are going

1661
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 3: to know.

1662
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm really happy about it. March fifth, sixth, and seventh.

1663
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 4: I'm doing six shows, and uh, this is the type

1664
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 4: of place that I always wanted to perform at. Like

1665
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 4: it's it's just I see the pictures of it, reeks

1666
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 4: of like not a comedy club, but a cool oh

1667
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 4: yeah club. So I'm like, I realized how little I'm

1668
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 4: gonna have to do. That's the exciting part. I usually

1669
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 4: have to go into places and do a little transformation.

1670
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: I don't have to do it.

1671
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: Well.

1672
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,839
Speaker 2: You were talking, I mean with your addiction, addiction to ambiance.

1673
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 2: You were telling me that you will ask a comedy

1674
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: club to put black tablecloths on their.

1675
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 3: Tay sometimes I will.

1676
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll go, you know, like even I know this

1677
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 4: sounds weird, but I think you'll appreciate it. I know

1678
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 4: we're going in for the clothes, but like later in

1679
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 4: my career, look, the club has to have something I

1680
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 4: like about it, otherwise I don't want to go. But

1681
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 4: when a club has great crowds and they've curated these

1682
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 4: great audiences. But I can't go to a club now

1683
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 4: that serves food in orange baskets with white paper. I

1684
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 4: just can't because, look, you can make something shabby chic.

1685
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 3: You can. That's easy to do.

1686
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 4: And I don't mean just look a little better. I've

1687
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 4: gone into places where the staff gets there and they're

1688
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 4: like two hours of just you know, maybe I have

1689
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 4: somebody with me, let's do this, let's gell those lights,

1690
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 4: let's put a curtain up there. That kitchen light's coming

1691
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 4: out very quick. Fixes instead gets in and they're like,

1692
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 4: this isn't a little better. This is shut the fuck

1693
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 4: up nice.

1694
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can do it. You can do a lot.

1695
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 3: There's a reason I was saying it. Oh yeah, so

1696
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 3: you go.

1697
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 4: But when when food comes out, you can do anything

1698
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 4: you want. If food comes out in an orange basket

1699
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 4: with white paper, it's like their way of going. Don't

1700
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 4: even try to make pretend this is a nice place. Yeah,

1701
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 4: look at this, it's I always got that's the ugliest

1702
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 4: way to serve food. And I know there's a club,

1703
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 4: one club I always go. Isn't there a club that's

1704
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 4: going to hear this?

1705
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 3: Probably no?

1706
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they serve an orange basket with white pep

1707
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 4: How do they rationalize it to themselves? What did they say?

1708
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 4: They go, but that's not the ugliest way you could

1709
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 4: serve food. Well, guess what Send me a picture of

1710
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 4: what is right after the pandemic. I would I added

1711
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 4: to ask clubs because I go they were using plastic cups,

1712
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 4: which I got it. Most people were more comfortable with

1713
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 4: plastic clubs. But you're not putting red solo fucking cups

1714
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 4: out on the table. If you have to use it,

1715
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 4: we'll use a high end clear plastic glass. Because I

1716
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 4: just can't be on stage and it's just like, oh,

1717
01:12:55,320 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 4: you're a shithole. So Joe's is last Joe Classy. There's plates,

1718
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 4: there's World Silverware, and it's from Cocktail. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: come to your I live in NewYork. I'm actually just

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Speaker 4: visiting here, so I'm going to be there in March, so.

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Speaker 3: Maybe put you on the guest listen if you want

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Speaker 3: to go. I think you'll be It's I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: You'll be impressed.

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Speaker 1: Everyone go to Todd show. Damn, that sounds so fun.

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Speaker 3: So great. Thank you so much for doing.

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Speaker 1: It's really been so nice to have you.

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Speaker 3: Nice to meet you guys. And you're gonna send me

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Speaker 3: that email. I'm going to forward you.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to alienating, but you know that's what life

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Speaker 1: is all about, all right.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 2: Podcast ends now for our visual learners, you can watch

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Speaker 2: full video episodes on our YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: And subscribe to our Patreon for two extra episodes a

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Speaker 1: month at patreon dot com. Slash Stradio Lab. Stradio Lab

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Speaker 1: is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network

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Speaker 1: and iHeart Podcasts. Created and hosted by me, George Savers

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Speaker 1: and Sam Taggart. Executive produced by j Nachagel co produced

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Speaker 1: by Becca Ramos, edited by Laurence Stump, and mixed and

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Speaker 1: mastered by Doug Bain. Artwork by Michael Fails and Matt Grubb.

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Speaker 1: Theme music by Ben Kling