WEBVTT - Ep. 249: BONUS Render - Save the Hunt 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.239 My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.400 the Bear Grease podcast called the Bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.760 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:30.560 of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:35.360 F Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.559 that's designed to be as rugged as the place as 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:39.320 we explore. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:43.960 Here. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:49.720 We are on a special bear Grease droplake. We're giving 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.480 the people what they want more. I'd say, the people 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.920 say more, we give them more. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:56.120 We say how much. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.000 Yeah, this is gonna be a good episode. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:00.480 Uh. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.840 We've got with us multiple special guests. But Dan Gates 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.680 from Colorado's for Responsible Wildlife Management, You've been on here before, 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.280 friend of ours and uh, and we're going to talk 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.360 about this Colorado Mountain Lion deal. So welcome. Sure coming 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.040 to Arkansas. Appreciate thanks for the global headquarters. 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.800 It's it's amazing me. Well, everybody knows who Clay nucom 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:23.319 is down here. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.080 I know that well. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:29.560 In some spots, in some places. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:30.800 Yeah, I appreciate it. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.800 He's definitely a legend here within the you know, one 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:35.959 hundred yard Radio. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.360 Yeah, we've got Baron Newcomb. Good to see you. Bear 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.640 glad to be here. Yeah, probably need a haircut, Lake 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.080 Lake pickle with on ax, moving on Lake. Tell us 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.080 what you do? I know what you do, but tell 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:52.240 the world what do you do for? 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.320 So I'm like, I guess the easiest title to put 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.480 on it is, I'm like, I'm a marketing manager. I 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.480 work a lot on the waterfowl side and then work 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.400 pretty much on our social media strategy and our YouTube 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:03.920 and everything. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.920 Yeah, but you're not from Missoula, Montana. I'm not. You 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:09.640 are from a state that starts with an M. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.120 Though, I think that's how I confused him. I just yeah, 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.480 it's just the M. I kind of threw them off 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.440 for a second. But yeah, no, it it's been fun. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.799 I've been with ONEX for a little over two and 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:20.600 a half years now. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.720 Okay, yep, lakes from Mississippi. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.800 Right right in the center of it. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.880 I will say when I got here is the first 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.880 time I met Bear in person, and his hair over 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.359 social media it's not done justice to He's got like 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.520 a main it's. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.280 Impressed, like a groomed lion. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:38.880 Yeah. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:44.079 Yeah, I was a little envious, right man, that's impressive. Yeah. 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.280 Uh, we've got josh Lanbridge filmmaker. Good to see you, Josh. 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.640 Here we got Brent Reeves. Good to see man. I 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:54.080 like that this country life shirt. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.360 I had to get up for breakfast, come up here 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.800 to day Yeah yeah, early start. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:02:59.160 Yeah. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.440 Man, these things the people really digging them. Yeah they 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:03.960 look good. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.760 Yeah. I got mine without the muscles. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.160 With Dan. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:14.000 I saw an interesting headline today in the New York 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:20.360 Times about a group of the fox hunters in in 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:26.160 England are petitioning the government. There's a there's a lobbyist 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.400 group of of the hunters that are fox hunters, which 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.359 fox hunting was banned in England in the early two thousands, 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.680 just like straight up band the wild fox hunts. Now 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.160 they they still got dogs over there, and they do 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.400 like scent drag hunts. And this is the kind of 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.960 hunt like in my picture up here on the ceiling, 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.560 you know, where they're using horses and following the dogs. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:52.800 It's like very traditional European hunt and the and this 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:57.080 guy is building a really strong case that the world 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.839 is kind of perking up their ears towards about how 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:06.000 they are basically a cultural not an ethnic group, but 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.960 a but a but a people group that have this 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:14.160 deep cultural heritage that should be protected like many of 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:18.680 these other very protected classes of people with specific beliefs, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:24.120 which I've actually said something similar to that for a 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.360 while that I mean like all over the world and 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.159 these modernizement we're protecting everybody. I mean, like, if you 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.599 have a belief, don't mess with me about my belief, 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.680 my my faith and whatever. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:37.840 Uh. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:42.080 And it's like, uh, I thought it was pretty interesting 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.160 and uh and and they didn't laugh him off the stage. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.479 And I don't I don't know the specifics, but it 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.680 was in the New York Times recently. Have you heard 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:51.279 about any of that? 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:56.000 I have. And there's there's been a growing enthusiasm to 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.960 be able to turn around and categorize ourselves in some 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.440 classification that you know, we are who we are from 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.760 a cultural tradition and heritage perspective. And when you start 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.000 talking about that, people start to pay attention. On some 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.560 sides of the aisle. Now that the antis are never 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.560 going to pay attention to that, you know, the extremist, 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:14.560 but other. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.000 They're interested in protecting everybody else exactly. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.120 Yeah, but other groups are like I never really thought 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.520 about it like that. I didn't really understand it. It 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.440 was cultural to you that was from your background or 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.120 your your family tradition and genealogical heritage. I mean, it's 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.280 it's something to where it'd be interesting to see how 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.560 they look at it over there. I know that it 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.279 gains traction over here as soon as you start mentioning 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.160 a specific ethnic group. But you know, in Colorado we're 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.839 being attacked at different levels right now on what we 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.719 have a fur band that is a ballot initiative, and 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.880 the thing that's been centric to people to pay attention 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.040 is the Native American side of it. And as soon 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.919 as you mentioned Native American, they're like, don't mess with 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.919 the Native American. But when you just mentioned fur, they're like, 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.240 oh yeah, get rid of fur, right. And then you said, 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.839 well it has to do with cowboy hats. Well well, okay, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.480 well there's an exception. Well it has to do with 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.400 fishing lures. We should mess with a fisherman. As soon 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.679 as you mentioned Native American, all of them are on board. 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.040 They say nobody shouldn't. 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:13.120 Mess with it. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.720 Just yesterday, I was doing some research for something and 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:22.279 was reading a source material document by a guy named 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.640 John Lawson that was written in seventeen oh nine published 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:29.880 in seventeen oh nine, you know, two hundred and fifteen 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:37.279 years ago, and he was he was get him on 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:41.800 the podcast. He was talking about bear hunting with hounds 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:47.040 in Virginia. I mean, like very it was very detailed, 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:54.960 and I mean that was seventy years before America was America. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:07:01.120 I mean, like there's deep, deep, deep cultural heritage for 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.599 hunting with hounds and hunting predators on this continent that 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:11.600 is undeniable. And to this day we still have all 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:17.120 these predators in especially in the West, with lions with 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.400 thriving numbers. I mean, I think we, I really think 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.160 that that's a direction that we should go as a 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:26.440 hunting community, and the specifics of it. We're not an 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.360 ethnic group, it's not and that's not what these guys 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.920 in Europe are trying to do, but a protected class 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:35.720 of people with specific beliefs that are congruent with just 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:36.640 their identity. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.440 Well, it's interesting, it's interesting that you say that about 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.280 You think about what you said, Dan, about how as 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.320 soon as Native Americans are mentioned, it's its hands off, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.360 when one hundred years ago it wouldn't. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.400 It wasn't like that, right, one hundred and fifty years ago, 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.960 we were they were absolutely they didn't care what they thought. 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.240 Yeah, so there, I think there's room from what you're 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.120 talking about there, if we can get enough folks together, 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.480 maybe we can have that same level of respect. And 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.680 I'm not comparing hunters to Native Americans what happened to 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.000 them by any means. I'm just saying, obviously there is 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.600 room for change. If we can do that and see 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.560 Natives in a different light than what they were seeing 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.600 one hundred and fifty years ago, maybe there is. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.720 Room for Well, look what they just did last year 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.760 in New Mexico. The New Mexico legislature banned the use 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:36.080 of traps on public land except for Native Americans. Now, 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.080 I mean, we're not talking about reservation land. We're not 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.240 talking about anything other than wildlife management and the opportunity 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.360 to go out and harvest game by a particular method 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:49.360 of take. When they gave an exemption to a cultural 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:54.280 component ethnic otherwise right, but to public land, well, the 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:58.199 public land is public. But to specify who can use 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.920 the public is where you know, the NTA and the 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.120 f TA and Sportsman's Alliance and those guys are looking 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.679 at lawsuits but and trying to figure out how to 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.120 do that. But but to your point, you know, considering 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.680 people's perceptions about the way things should be done. But 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.160 as soon as you throw in a specific culture, a 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.840 specific sector, then it starts to you know, I guess 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.560 get attention of a lot of other people out there, 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.400 and I don't see why the sportsmen and women and 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.520 hunters and anglers can't turn around and do the same thing. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.160 Yeah, you know, the way I think about it is 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:34.760 is should the earth persist? I think about generations and 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:41.280 new combs down the line, and it's like, could you 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.400 be could you be a new com and not have 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.640 access to the kind of hunting that we have today? 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.520 Like it feels like it's that important to our culture, 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:56.000 to my culture, you know. And I don't know. I 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.080 think I think we need something. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:58.920 It's not just a recreational issue. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:03.600 It's a life, it's it's it's what we've expressed to people. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.040 And I've gotten on a hot mic in front of 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.400 commissions and legislators and and say it's not what I do, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.080 it's who I am. And I live it and I 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:12.800 breathe it, and I eat it and I sleep it 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.800 and I drink it, and it's everything about me. That's 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.920 who I am. And when they when you say that 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.640 to them, you can see that there's a light bulb 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.520 that comes on and they're like they just thought it 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.480 was something you did occasionally, and it's it's we do everything. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:28.400 I mean, it's look at this. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:33.320 Room here, it's not playing tennis or golf. No. No, Well, the. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.080 Way the way that I think about it is is 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.680 like a lot of those species, especially game animals, the 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.600 reason that they persist today is because of the sustainable 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.640 practices that were put in place. And now you look 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.360 at something that threatens it, looks at sustainable hunting as 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:49.920 a reason that it's going to get wiped out. It's 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.079 just not doesn't make sense. 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:57.679 Yeah, they just hadn't done their homework. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.640 It's hard. It's hard for me to sit and try 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:05.319 to not argue, but educate a specific sector of our 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.560 population that is not familiar with our lifestyle, and I 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:12.640 say our lifestyle as consumer sportsmen, I mean anymore, to 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:14.360 be legal in the United States, you have to buy 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.160 a license to be able to go do something. But 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.640 that's the funding component of the North American model of 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.600 wildlife conservation, and every game agency has that component available 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:26.680 to them. The average person, that middle of the road sector, 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.360 that eighty percent, some of them don't even realize that 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.120 we have to purchase licenses, that we have to have 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.240 hundred education, that they're special permits and their special seasons 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.760 and methods of take and quotas and restrictions, and a 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.959 lot of they just don't realize because they've been force 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.240 fed this lies and these fallacies in this smoke and 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.000 mirror game. We are the enemy, We're the evil. We're 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.120 out there just creating vast destruction on the landscape and 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.320 landscape and extra paytent every species become in contact with. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.960 At the late eighteen hunters, early nineteen hundreds, that was 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.839 the case, but that wasn't a regulated hunting structure. That 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.800 was individuals trying to supply a market. Hence one of 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.840 the tenants of them clearly, yeah, and that was for 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.800 a food source to be able to turn around and 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.040 supply food to the general public. With a vast expansion 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.400 to the west, the general public. That eighty percent sometimes 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.199 don't realize that, and if they do, they don't fully 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.640 comprehend it because they don't understand. One hundred and twenty 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.600 five years to get to where we're at, right now, 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:24.920 and the transition to be able. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.000 To do that, and that transition is one of the 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:33.240 most remarkable things for sure in terms of animal management 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.079 on planet Earth since time began. Because usually when people 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.679 make big mistakes, they never recover from it. I mean, 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:41.559 you look at the other continents and you look in 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.880 other places that one hundred and twenty five years of 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:49.160 conservation where we absolutely turn the tables on market hunting 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:54.760 over extension of killing animals, habitat destruction, I mean, like 0:12:54.800 --> 0:13:00.520 the voracious appetite of America for westward expansion. Yeah, if 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.400 that was still going on, that's bad. But but that 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.920 that switch, and I think that's something that most most people, 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.640 most hunters don't realize, is that for human nature to 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:15.920 be able to revert and fix some of these big 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:21.599 time errors that we've had as civilizational errors is so incredible. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.120 I mean, it's just it's it's a story. 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.600 It's a story that ought to be celebrated by by 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.080 all and now you know the thing, the component of 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.000 that story that is hard for people is the killing 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.680 of animals, right, I mean, that's just it. It's like 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.640 and but again that goes back to just golly, I mean, 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.559 there is a movement I think in the world today 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:51.800 where even non hunting, non rural, urban people are beginning 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:56.000 to understand, you know, where meat comes from, that animals 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.280 have to be farmed, animals have to be killed. You know, 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:03.600 there's so there, there is, there's logic and reason behind 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.320 what we're doing. And I mean, I think we've got 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.560 a leg up in society, maybe more than we ever have, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.520 and it just feels like we've just got to keep 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.240 telling a people story that shows a culture. Like that's 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.240 a deep passion of mind inside of what I do 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.880 with the Bear Grease podcasts, a it's a people podcast really. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.920 I mean, it's this overlap of humans and wild places 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.160 and wildlife and rural living, and it's like telling this 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.200 story of yeah, this is a deep, deep culture that 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:38.360 is positive, you know, and it's powerful stuff to me. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.400 Well, when you can look back, you know, one hundred 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.800 and twenty five years at the beginning of the early 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.360 nineteen hundreds and look at just a human population and 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.560 then you know, fast forward to now and look at 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.800 the amount of people on the landscape, the way cities 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.120 are growing that you know, the urban rural divide, the 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.920 habitat loss and we still have more wildlife now and 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.840 better manager wildlife than what we did as we started. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.040 Then some of that was from the decimation of the 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.080 western expansion, but if you look at what we've accumulated 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.200 and what we've accomplished Canada and the United States combined, 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.200 the North American model, I mean it wants to be 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.800 emulated around the world. You know, other organizations and other 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.000 countries and other provinces are trying to do something in 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:25.720 different capacities. But we have the best model and it 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.920 has worked so efficiently and effectively that if you could 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.520 just get that point across to what we have now 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:34.960 is a lot better than what it was, and it's 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.320 continually getting better with less and less habitat, more and 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.200 more restrictions and prohibitions on the landscape, and more people. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:42.760 We're not going to keep breed, We're not going to 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.440 quit reading as far as people, but we still have 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:49.600 the wildlife resources that we didn't have. But the Roosevelts 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.240 and those guys trive to turn around and recover. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.680 Yeah, what's been your biggest what is do you have 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:01.440 three points that have been the biggest hurdles to overcome 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.600 and explaining getting somebody a non hunter or somebody that's 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.800 not familiar with our way of life or our culture 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.920 to get them to understand the importance of it. Can 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.600 is there anything that you could name that would this 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.600 may be too It may I may yeah, well no, 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.400 it may I may need to narrow it down some 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.840 What questions or what concerns do you get the most 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.920 from people who are against it? Is it the idea 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.600 that we're killing animals? Or is it this is not 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:36.480 culturally important enough? They don't see it the way we 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:36.880 see it. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.120 I think that the biggest and I appreciate that question 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.800 because so many questions that we asked from the media 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.840 and from some of our opposition and some of the 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.280 unknowing general public. But a lot of times one of 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:54.280 their biggest questions is or statements and then a question, right, 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.880 we don't need to be barbaric any longer we've gotten 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:02.000 out of that culture. Well, depending on how you look 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.040 at it, whether it's from domestic or wild, there's a 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.560 component of ignorance from the general public because they weren't 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.720 raised around it. I don't know if you guys know 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.560 a gentleman by the name of Craig O'Gorman. He's a 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:17.040 big trapper in eastern Montana o' gorman enterprises, and Craig 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.639 has a different philosophy, and I really appreciate his perspective 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.520 on things, but looking from a trapping side and the 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.399 predator hunting and the fur harvesting side of things. You know, 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.119 Craig mentioned the difference the way society changed from the 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:34.080 Great Depression into World War Two and then how it 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.000 started to expand out from the industrialized side of things, 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.840 the recreationalized side of things, the entertainment side of things, 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.480 and it became more politically oriented about nineteen fifty to 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.040 you know, nineteen seventy, and then it just expanded on 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:52.040 all levels. The average person that went to war in 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:57.560 World War Two, they remember, if they weren't intimately involved, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.919 they went to Grandma's house on Sunday and they went outside, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.000 grabbed a chicken and they killed it for dinner. They 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:03.800 went out and grabbed the eggs, they milked the cows. 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.280 There was still this connection point when you got out 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.840 of World War Two. There was still a hunting deal. 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.280 But that's when like your sport's a field, outdoor life, 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.000 fur fishing, game field and stream magazines came out and 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.639 become more of a recreational deal. When you started taking 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.800 the life side out of these components of daily life, 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.959 like living breathing life out of daily life, you started 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.639 to see a cultural change. With the way Craig explained 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.800 it to me, and this is probably fifteen years ago, 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:36.560 the average person before World War Two understood death for 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:41.200 human subsistence and destruction. I mean, our lives depended on 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.919 destroying something else so we could survive off of it, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.040 whether it's a cow or a chicken, or a pig, 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.439 or a deer or a turkey. By the time you 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.480 got into the seventies and then you had the Vietnam 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.879 War that most of those guys that were involved, the 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.480 first thing that they ever had to do with death 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.359 is a person standing in front of them. They didn't 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.439 know a lot of that stuff that was going on. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.800 And then there's our population. Our human population grew substantially 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.200 by the time you get into the eighties and nineties. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.000 And we talked about this the last time I was 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:14.280 here in June that in nineteen hundred, there was ninety 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:18.399 percent of the population that lived rural landscape type of life, 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.639 ten percent lived in the city. By nineteen fifty, it 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.600 was a fifty to fifty split, and by the year 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.399 two thousand, ninety percent of the people turn around and 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.720 live in the city and ten percent live in the countryside. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.800 When you talk about a food source, whether it's for 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:37.199 somewhat recreational but lifestyle living what we do, or you 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.919 talk about domestic side of it, that's a big In 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:44.040 one hundred years, that's a major change in philosophy about 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.560 where your food comes from and how you supply something. 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.439 Because people can't connect the dots. We have people that 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.760 move into Colorado, for instance, which you know, Colorado has 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:54.920 expanded from two point nine million people the last time 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.119 we had a ballot initiative that took anything away to 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:00.720 five point nine million people this go around. Don't understand 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.879 that without snow, we have no water. We don't drill wells. 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.440 It all comes from the top, not from the bottom. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:09.800 And they say, well, you have all these water commissions 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:11.760 and these water boards and water rights, and you fight 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.600 over water and there's water courtners all of this. It's 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.840 because water is a valuable resource. In other parts of 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:19.760 the country is just as valuable, but people just take 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.560 it for granted because you don't get snow where it 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.440 comes off or something. You actually get it out of 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.640 the ground, or it comes down from some river from 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.480 some other place that likely had snow. The same with 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:32.640 our food source. The general public doesn't fully comprehend holistically, 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.720 not just where domestic food comes from, but they darn't 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.960 sure don't understand it where wild food comes from. 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:39.880 Yeah. 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.800 Yeah, I think it's interesting too that it's mentioned. You know, 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:47.200 we don't we don't have to be barbaric anymore. Take 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.119 someone to a slaughterhouse, yeah, I mean, take someone to 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.280 the stockyard and say, you know, this isn't barbaric. 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:54.960 Chicken slaughter plant. 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.880 Yeah, foods is up here. 0:20:58.040 --> 0:20:58.480 Oh yeah. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.280 They don't take them to a farm where they're spraying 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:08.640 for bugs. I mean they're killing millions every day. 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:18.120 Dan, give us a give us an intro to what 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.119 just a lot of people that would be watching this 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.639 would know it, but some don't like what's going on 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:24.960 in Colorado with this? 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:25.480 With this? 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:29.080 Uh, just just give like something like we didn't even 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:35.000 know it even existed. Surprised, Just hold on, you'll be 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:35.520 right there. 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.000 Yeah. 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:41.600 Uh. The the current the current issue is Initiative ninety one, which, 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.960 as I preface this in the earlier conversation. It won't 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.840 be this in several weeks. By the time this ERRS 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.320 hopefully will have a number from the Secretary of State, 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.000 it'll be propositions something or other. But we're reading for 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.320 the Secretary of State to give a number. But what 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.639 it is, it's an attempt to ban the harvest of 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.080 Mountlon's bobcats and land and links are federally in state protective, 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:03.719 so you can't kill them anyway. But they threw that 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:06.160 in there is a cats phrase as a talking point 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.320 to make sure and as they said in their testimony 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:14.240 during the Supreme Court hearing, if links ever become delisted 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.640 and harvestable, we don't want them to. And so they're 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.760 already preemptively thinking down the road if they were, which 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:24.640 they probably won't. But it's an attempt to ban the harvest. Now, 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.320 when we've started this process, it was a trophy hunting ban, 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:29.760 but we got trophy hunting out of it, because trophy 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:34.680 hunting is defined in the measure as intentionally killing, wounding, stalking, pursuing, 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.199 or entrapping a mountain lion, bob, ket or links. Well, 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:41.000 intentionally killing, wounding, stalking, pursuing. I don't know anybody that 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.240 wound hunting. Yeah, it's hunting. That's the definition of hunting. 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.040 That's what pursuing wild game is. But they defined it 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:48.920 in the measure, but we did get it taken out 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:53.040 of the title itself. So in several weeks, about seventy 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.400 five days, the general public will vote on a hunting ban, 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.840 and it is a total hunting ban. The caveat to 0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:02.879 that is to get people to understand because it is 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.520 a hunting ban and because of the statutory definition and 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.680 the precedent the case law it could set, you could 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:11.720 take mountain lions and bobcats out, put mallard ducks and 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:17.359 elk in because of the previous court rulings or applications 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.760 of the language. Those are the things that we're trying 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.919 to convince the general public about that whether you're a 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.720 bird hunter, you should not vote for this, whether you're 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:27.840 a deer hunter, you should not vote for this. And 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:29.919 even if you're a non hunter, you shouldn't vote for 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.720 this because it's not about mountain lions and bobcats. It's 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.920 about seventy eight game species in the state of Colorado 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:38.800 and most other states that can turn around and have 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:43.360 interpretation of that law, and we're fearful that if it passes, 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.960 it'll be the catalyst or a preemptive strike from the 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.439 opposition to go, well, we got it over here. How 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:51.439 they're going to argue it over here, because there's no 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.959 way they can, because we already set the precedent. We 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:59.320 already made our preemptive strike. The ballot. The election is 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:04.320 November fifth. If it goes into effect, which we're trying 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.440 diligently to make sure it doesn't, but if it goes 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.560 into effect January first, everything will be banned in the 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.720 state of Colorado when it comes to mountain lions and bobcats. 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:16.720 There's been language within the legislature that we've already defeated 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:20.280 multiple levels at the Colorida General Assembly and the Colorida 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:23.520 Parks and Wildlife Commission. But some of those legislators that 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:27.840 we've defeated previously said on a hot mic that if 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.960 this goes through, it's our opportunity to turn around and 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:34.359 try to do something legislatively as well. And what they've mentioned, 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.919 although there's not been a bill drafted as of yet 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.320 to the best of our knowledge, what they've mentioned is 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.359 maybe we should go after the banning of cow elk 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.080 and doe deer because of the potential orphaning of calves 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:48.639 and fawns, because that language is in this measure about 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:53.080 how we're orphaning kittens and cubs and mountain lions and bobcats. 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.320 It's a camel nosed under the tent, is what it is. 0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.680 And once you explain a lot of these caveats and 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.240 new to the general sportsmen because they think, well, already 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.000 you know gates, already, I already harvested my mountain land, 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:07.560 or I don't want to harvest a mountainline, or I 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:09.439 don't think you should harvest a mountain land. Whatever they 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:12.840 might be. These are licensed buying women and men and 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:16.640 women sportsmen. But when you explain and say, just read 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.720 this read about the dogs. It doesn't say hounds. It 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.600 talks about electronic collars, tracking devices, gps is. They don't 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.200 want you to use any of it. Those are things 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:28.359 that people don't read into it because they see the title. 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:29.760 But then they get into the two and a half 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:34.159 page language in the measure, and it's easily decipherable that 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:35.840 you could take any one of those things out and 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.800 put it into some other category, just like what those 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.800 legislators are talking about now for Kyle Elkin. 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:41.200 Do deer. 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:49.440 What I'm trying to put this into context for myself 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:56.760 just to understand, because what remains a mystery is how 0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:02.919 to really engage and uh get other people interested in 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:09.200 stuff that's not directly, directly first hand applicable to them. Uh, 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:11.000 you know, like like how do we get how do 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.840 we truly unite the sportsmen of America, Guys that will 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.920 never mountain lion hunt in Colorado? How do we get 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:22.160 them to be you know, engaged in this? And Bear, 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.880 I'm sitting here looking at my son Bear Bear, what 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:28.040 if they what if there was right now a ban 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:33.720 on hunting squirrels with dogs in Arkansas or or coon 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:37.720 hunting And here we have built all this and and 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:40.080 and it's just something we love. And it's like, literally, 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.719 on January first, we may never be able to do 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.320 this again the rest of our life legally. I mean, 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:50.080 it's like that to me just feels like it just 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:56.199 culturally it would be a butcher knife to the to 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.800 the lineage of something. And it's just I mean obviously 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.199 that we think that because we love these things, but 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:07.359 I mean, I just I implore all of us to 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:11.480 like think about like what this would be like, because 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:17.600 I mean every you look generationally and every generation has 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:21.680 had stuff taken away, and I mean there's a lot 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:25.680 of stuff that you could it's it's time just rolls 0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:27.560 by and we don't realize what we've lost. 0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:33.040 But unfortunately that the folks that are hearing this, the 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.680 people that are against it, they this. 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.400 Is not going to We're not to the choir. We're 0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:40.480 not going to tell them. But the folks that can 0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:44.520 do something are the folks that are hearing this that haven't. 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:46.919 That's where it's got to come from. It's got to 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.440 come from. I may be the only guy in here 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.960 that plays softball. Nobody else plays softball, but they're fixing 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.679 the band softball with all you guys like sports, you 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.600 like to watch it, like should I get involved or 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:03.480 should not? Shall I help him out? Because y'all like soccer, 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.200 which I'm pretty sure you do, but. 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:10.520 Weirdough But just by looking at you, just by looking 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:10.920 at him. 0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:13.400 But I mean, it's all the same thing. We all 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:17.119 got to do it. It's like squirrel hunting and in 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:21.280 mountain lion hunting. It's hunting and if they can ban one, 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:23.480 they can get the other. But if all of us 0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:25.919 get together, the folks that are listening, like, well, that 0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:29.960 really don't affect me because I live in Louisiana and 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:31.720 I'm not going to be able to hunt mountain lines. 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.320 Or I live in Arkansas where I live and I'm 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:36.000 not gonna be able to hunt mountain lines. It will 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.280 affect you eventually down the road. It's the low hanging 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:40.120 fruit thing. Ye. 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:47.840 Well, and there's two organizations so cats aren't trophies. Is 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.840 the state organization, it's the State Issues Committee, but it 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:57.040 was formulated by out of states non residents. But the 0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.120 two national organizations that are supportive of this, that are 0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.160 both run by former hs US Humane Society of the 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:09.560 United States Wayne Piselli. The one is Animal Welfare Action, 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:11.640 which is a five oh one C four, which is 0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:14.760 just like our organization, the Colorado's for Responsible Widlife Management. 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.040 But then the Center Few for a Humane Economy is 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.000 their five oh one C three. Those are based out 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:25.840 of Maryland. They are they are national, but they went 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:30.480 to Colorado because the legislative and political landscape is more favorable. 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.520 They're looking for a crack in the armor where they 0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:36.400 can put their tentacles in that they'd come here if 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:36.800 they could. 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.360 Oh yeah, and they. 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.880 Can probe my five squirrel dogs out of my cold. 0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:47.400 Put that on our T shirt, Stave Ranella. But that's 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:49.800 the thing. People say, well, who are these people? Well, 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:53.000 they're all out of staters, they're all non residents because 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.640 they have a favorable landscape in our state to be 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.280 able to turn around and try to move maneuver through 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:02.360 the minutia and get what they want. People don't realize 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:05.680 that this is not anything other than a national movement, 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:10.240 and when you get the former hs US CEO, who 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:14.880 for a variety of reasons is no longer there with HSUS. 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:20.480 This is an attack that they can gain ground, gain 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:25.120 significant relevance, potentially gain a victory, gain some funding, and 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.080 move to the next level. Now is the next level 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:30.120 in New Mexico, we don't know yet, or is it Iowa, 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:34.480 or is it Montana. But they have sectors placed in 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.720 every one of these states, building a repertoire up in 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.000 some street cred and they're just trying to figure out 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:41.880 how they can manipulate it enough to where they get 0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.920 a victory and then they turn around and continue moving 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:48.080 forward and maybe Colorado's again on the shopping block but 0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.200 they build strength in numbers and money with the success, 0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:52.560 and then they move to the next level. 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:58.880 Well what gets me is that this is a business. 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:03.040 And I don't even know specifically about this group, but 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:07.760 in general, I mean it's not even I mean, there's 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:10.440 some of these people, these anti hunters that that probably 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.400 truly are passionate and are working from a position that 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:16.880 they really believe in their mission. I mean, I assume 0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:20.000 a lot of them. But at the same time, it's 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:24.240 a very profitable business to be in the game of 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.520 being anti hunting. Oh yeah, I mean, it's an incredible 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:32.719 way to tap into you know, to expel, you know, 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.120 expose a philosophy about and it's just it's so trendy 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.479 to be on that bandwagon and to get people's money. 0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:42.240 Well, it's easy for them to do because they lie. 0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:44.920 If you say enough lies, people start to believe it 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.320 because they didn't hear anything else. When it's like in 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:50.280 our case and in most cases with the State Game 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.320 Management Agency, you know, people are griping and complaining why 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:55.840 didn't Clorida Parks and Wildlife coming out. It's because they 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:57.520 work at the pleasure of the governor, and the governor 0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.959 is an animal rights extremists, and he said, don't say anything. 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.400 I mean, that's the way most states operate. They're not 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.960 independent entities that they can turn around and just say 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:08.760 what they want, no matter if they have the facts 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.360 or not. They've got a plethora of different studies that 0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:13.720 have come out, They've got a ton of different information. 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:15.880 And if you look at the first documents that came 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.520 out ten months ago versus the documents that are out now, 0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:23.120 the agency changed those documents because the governor's office, the 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.920 administration said, cross this, strike this, put this in. Don't 0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.280 get rid of the science, but the perception or the 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.760 opinion you can alter that. You don't have those opinions, 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.200 and that's why they forced them to take no position, 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:39.000 not a neutral position, no position. So there's no pro 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.920 no con no, none of that. And the average person 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:45.280 doesn't fully understand the manipulation that happens from the top 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.280 to the bottom. And then when you turn around and 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:49.560 throw in special interest groups and so forth, it makes 0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:51.320 it a lot easier for them to accomplish what they 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:53.480 want to go go with because they got people on 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:55.760 their side helping them run the government side of it, 0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.080 not color to parks of wildlife. But through the Department 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:03.800 Announced Resources and through the governor's administration and cabinet. Those 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:07.120 are how they get so much significant traction because we 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:09.120 don't have anybody to turn around and say anything unless 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:10.520 we're going to say it to ourselves or every other 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:11.960 conservation group is going to do it. 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:17.000 Well, it's Colorado. Were they the perfect storm. We're having 0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.600 a liberal administration as far as the governor's views on 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:29.040 hunting and the huge influx of people that were. 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.160 Not new people to Colorado. 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.960 Yeah, they moving into Colorado that had no idea of 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:33.640 the culture or the legacy or his. 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:35.320 Yeah, and we're starting to see a little bit of 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:37.240 a change of that. But Colorado is one hundred percent 0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:39.160 blue state. I mean, you know, we're out numbered in 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.720 the legislature as far as Democrats and Republicans forty nine 0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:44.760 to sixteen in the House and twenty three to twelve 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.280 in the Senate. Every elected office is blue unless it 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:51.600 happens to be a county commission somewhere. But the governor's 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:55.400 appointments to different commissions and boards and stuff are ninety 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:58.400 nine percent. I mean, he might pick somebody that's more pink, 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.600 purple or red on one side, but knowing full well 0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:03.240 they don't have a voice because they're one of ten, 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:06.040 or they're one of eleven or whatever, and so there's 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.560 a statutory obligation that they have to adhere to. But 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.920 it's gotten to the point where you just look at 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.920 who they pick to make sure they always have the 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:17.440 balance of power or at least perception. And those are 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:19.799 things that other states need to recognize. I mean, I've 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:22.560 got guys at Wyoming and Montana and Idaho going, you know, 0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.359 it can never happen here. This is what they said 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.520 ten years ago. Now they're looking and going, you know, 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.719 we got more Democrats moving into the state than we 0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:31.520 ever thought we would. And if you look at the 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.000 makeup some of those states, it wouldn't take very much 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.239 to change them, just because of the population breakup and 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.560 the dynamics of different states. I mean, Wyoming's got six 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:42.440 hundred and sixty thousand people. Look at representation for the 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:46.160 state of Wyoming, specific sectors or districts would not be 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.600 hard to change just because of the population makeup. Look 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.360 at the amount of people moving out of Colorado or 0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.880 to go across the border to Cheyenne. They're still Democrats. 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.560 They're still more liberally minded, but they got away from 0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:59.759 this because it was just so progressive. But they take 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.560 those ideologies and values into Wyoming, even though they're living 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:06.040 there and working in the Colorado. It's a hard thing 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:07.560 that we're going to have to deal with in some 0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:11.279 capacity nationwide, and I honestly believe that sportsmen and women 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:13.960 are up to the task if they pay attention, if 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:17.720 they understand the intricacies of what it takes to manage 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:21.200 our wildlife resources and the general public that eighty percent 0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:23.600 in the middle they care deeply about it. They just 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:25.919 don't know, so they're more likely to check a box 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:27.640 when it's the wrong box is supposed to be an 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:29.120 educated to check the right box. 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.680 The problem is is that that it feels like the 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:35.000 key players in this thing are making decisions based out 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.680 of preference and opinion, not based on science. No, it's 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.880 because I mean, you think about if you're going to 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:45.879 ban predator hunting, what happens to the predators. I mean, 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:49.160 it's just basic, But that's what they want logic, yeah, 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.640 they I mean, look at our wolf introduction. I mean, 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:54.520 we just put wolves on the ground last December. They 0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:57.360 voted on it in November of twenty twenty, and it 0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:00.719 was fifty point nine percent that they ended up winning by. 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:02.799 I mean it was fifty point nine to forty nine 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:04.880 point one. I mean that that's a good math. 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:11.480 I'm following you. I was already sitting here math like. 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.520 That acts and not without a calculator. 0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:18.839 But no, we we lost that Wolf deal by such 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.400 a minimal margin. It was something like thirty three thousand 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:24.280 votes in the state that's got five point nine million people. 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:29.040 So there's some there's some people there that are voting. 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.560 I mean, there's a there's a yeah, there's a chunk 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:33.160 of people there that. 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:35.239 Like this is eighty to twenty or anything. I mean, 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.080 this is this is very very close. But the funny 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.319 thing that I see, Clay, is if you look at 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:44.160 most national elections pertaining anything, unless it just happens to 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.719 be so right or so left one way or the other, 0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:49.040 there's a lot of fifty two forty eights and fifty 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:51.319 three forty seven's and forty nine to fifty one. So 0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:53.800 there's a lot of that. I mean, we are divided 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:56.800 as a country, and it's not because it's republican Democrat. 0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:00.880 It's because it's republican independent, and Democrat and the registered 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.640 Independence are growing substantially because they don't want to be 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.160 affiliated with the wackos on the left or the idiots 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.040 on the right. They just want to have their own group. 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:10.319 But they still lean one way or the other. We 0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.600 call them the end the wind crowd. They just blow 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:14.799 around like packeting peanuts and the windstorm, and they're trying 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:16.960 to catch up with the catcher's myth. I mean, they 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.360 just listen to the first guy. They just listen to 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.719 the first guy that resonates with them, or they listen 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:26.160 to the lie after lie after lie after lie because 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.479 they don't hear any rebuttals. And when you have game 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:32.560 management agencies that don't rebut because they're told not to, 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:39.279 that's hard to realize and justify that. That's science, that's 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.919 expert data collection. That's twenty five fifty one hundred years 0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:45.440 of compilation of studies and information. 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.080 It's so easy to find something that you agree with. 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.239 If you don't like a news story, if you don't 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.400 like a slant on the news story, change the channel. 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:56.719 Somebody else will tell you the same story, and they'll 0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:57.960 tell it the way you want to. 0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:00.640 Hear it to your point. So I'm sure you've seen 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:02.600 it already, but I saw it circulating around. There was 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.480 a like CBS Colorado and there's a study that came out. 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:08.719 Have y'all seen this The study that came out that 0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:12.800 said that potentially they're basically saying the premise that study 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:16.520 was that mountain lion hunting was excelling the spread of 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:17.759 CWD in Colorado. 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.560 Yes, and that just came out, and that's and actually 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:25.319 that study was done by the Animal Welfare Action and 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.960 the Center for a Humane Economy. By the by the. 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:34.080 Two groups explained what were the findings of the I mean. 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:36.960 So CWD and it's so basically it was like if 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:40.120 you kill mountain lions, mountain lions are predatory animals, and 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.279 so you're taking out predators, so they're killing less of 0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:45.000 your elk and deer and so it's. 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.359 It's a legitimate scientific stuff that. 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.120 Was done by those two groups that are that are 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:50.320 running this catch trophy. 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:50.680 Yeah. 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.760 So my question was, is, like, I know, the research 0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.239 I had done, is there's been a regular, you know, 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.640 a regulated mountain lion hunt in Colorado since like nineteen 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:03.600 sixty five, Yes, it was. Is the population since then grown? 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.799 Is it stays thirty thirty times, so it's grown thirty times. 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:08.960 So it was regulated, honey. So the point is like, 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:11.799 how in the world is it excelling the spread of 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.399 CWD if the population of mountain lions is grown? 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:18.399 What you bring common sense into the sargeant? How dare 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.600 you like? Well? 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.319 And I think that that's you know that that you' 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.719 And that's one of our our biggest concerns. As you 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:30.880 start to see more and more lies and shell games 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.440 and smoking mirrors and I and I see it in 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.480 other states as well. And I'm sitting there going to somebody. 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.400 Somebody needs to turn around and come up with something, 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:38.960 but they're not on the ballot. 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.880 We need our own lies, Dan, Yeah. 0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.920 We got to get that's your job. You start seeing. 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:48.319 Stuff, fight lies with lies. 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:57.000 Dan. 0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:58.719 I want to ask you a question earlier when you 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.799 were talking you refer to you basical said that the 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.439 eighty percent left of the general public that's more likely 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:07.080 to check no than yes. Why do you think that 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:08.960 that is? Why do you think that they're more tending 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:11.680 to go the wrong direction of what you're. 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:16.600 Wanting a lot of times historically on when ballots come 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:18.960 up and there's either too much on the ballot, too 0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:22.359 much information for the one person to decipher. They either 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:25.440 check the wrong box because they assume that that's the 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:27.440 right way. They have to have some time to be 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.920 able to educate themselves and to check the right box, 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:32.040 which in our case would be to vote no, not 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:36.000 vote yes. Most of those people don't do their homework 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:41.960 until they open up the ballot and they go yes, no, yes, oh, Trump, Biden, Harris, whatever, 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:46.600 and they jump on the key phrases, the stuff that 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.200 they haven't paid attention to. They just don't pay attention to. 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.200 And I think that that's a detriment to us. Is 0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:56.840 a you know, a republic, a democracy that is available 0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:58.480 to us to be able to turn around and say 0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:00.440 we're going to vote, and we're going to vote the 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:03.640 right way. The blue Book the last language of the 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:05.799 blue Book, which is I think in Arkansas's ProAb of 0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.640 the same way, but you get a book that explains 0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:12.000 all the measures or the judges or the ballot. We 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:13.799 just went through the final draft of the blue Book 0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:15.520 last week and that was sent to the Secretary of 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:21.080 State through the Legislative Council Legislative Draft analysis. The language 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:24.360 that's in there is available to anybody to read. But 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.239 it's a two and a half page synopsis for the 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:31.040 general public to be able to decipher about this specific measure. 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:32.280 Two and a half pages. 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.600 Five percent of people are going to read that, yeah, 0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:36.160 if not less exactly. 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.799 And so when you're looking at states, and that's a 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:42.040 great point, Clay, when you when you look at states 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.200 that are fifty one to forty nine or fifty three 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.480 to forty seven, that five percent that you give them 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.719 the facts that they really want to sit down and 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:52.600 get into the nut cutting on stuff and make sure 0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:56.839 that they know exactly why and how to do it. 0:41:57.920 --> 0:41:59.879 Those are the five percent that we're really concerned about 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.319 because they could sway this half a point or a 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:04.160 whole point one way or the other. That they just 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:05.760 educate themselves and look at the facts. 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:07.759 When you only got thirty three thousand and I had 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:12.000 a five million plus voting too, I mean there's and 0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:15.040 there is a sea of folks to educate your. 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:17.680 Well, and we've had we've had a tremendous amount of 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.520 people because of the Wolf deal. And one thing that's 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.360 going in our favor, even with all the lives and 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.720 the fallacies and falsehoods out there. There's a significant amount 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.359 of buyer's remorse on what they did on the wolf deal. 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.440 Everybody thought that, oh, it'd be cool to hear a wolf. 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:33.120 I heard a wolf and Yellowstone. I didn't know it 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:34.719 was going to be on my back porch and eat 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:39.479 my neighbor's calves. But yeah, so they turn around and voted, 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.840 but they didn't vote very much fifty point nine percent. 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:44.680 And so there's a certain amount of buyer's remorse because 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.360 wolves are in the news every single day in Colorado, 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.880 that they're creating more depredation, they're creating more instances of havoc. 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:54.680 CPW can't do what they want to do at this 0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:56.719 point in time. They can't talk about it unless it 0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:58.600 happens to be able the science that the governor who's 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:02.920 agreed with with the governor's spouse, the first gentleman. They 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.200 can't they can't do what they need to do to 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.640 get the point out. I mean, CBW didn't want wolves. 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.279 It's just that the voters voted on wolves, and CPW 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:12.239 has to uphold the law what the voters want, and 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:16.040 then the governor helps accentuate and enhance that position. But 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.719 the buyer's remorse is another component on top of that 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:21.160 five percent to read the blue book that you look 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.520 at and go, well, if you get a tenth of 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:25.839 these guys and two tents of those guys, and maybe 0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:27.800 we actually make a point and get two tents of 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.279 these guys. Pretty soon we're to present ourselves and the 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.400 voters of people. The people of Colorado would have spoken 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:36.000 at that point in time, because that's all we've heard 0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:38.279 for the last four years. The people have spoken, and 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:40.399 it's like, you know, not all of them did. 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:41.040 And what. 0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:45.919 Can we what would be a meaningful thing that people 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:49.480 can do? Because all this stuff I think part of 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:53.960 the gap between action and inaction with people that aren't 0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.400 in Colorado. Like if I lived in Colorado, I know 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:58.000 what I could do. I could vote right, I could 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:02.479 talk to my friends. Yep, we can't vote there. What 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:04.560 is really meaningful that we could do? 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:07.759 I think the thing that we're trying to do. And 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:10.040 I've been working with Charles and Mike at how for 0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:12.160 a Wildlife. You know, I've been on this is my 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:17.279 seventy second, seventy sixth podcast since January first, and you 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:18.960 guys have allowed me to come on twice. I was 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:24.000 on Metiater guys twice the message. The reason that we're 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.560 talking to the choir to the general public, sportsmen and women, 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.960 is because it's coming to your state. We need your 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.520 help to help defeat it there. And to do that, 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.400 the biggest thing people can do is to get online 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:38.920 and share the message. You know, when we get something 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.799 that Cameron Haynes comes to our event and does something 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:43.719 and there's one hundred and eight thousand people that watch 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:46.000 it in three days, and there's twenty seven people that 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:48.960 share it. But the message that he said, they all 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:50.759 listened to it, but they didn't expand it out. We 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:53.920 have the power of social media before us to be 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:56.200 able to get people to understand this isn't about Colorado, 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.600 not just about mountain lines and Bobcats. I don't know 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:01.480 anybody body in the country has been dumb enough the 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.640 last ten months to turn around and run around and 0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:08.239 try to dedicate their life to podcasts. I mean, or really, 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.440 that's my son. I've got better things to do because 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.840 of our business. But we needed to be able to 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:14.560 get the message. We need to be able to feed 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.799 off of everybody else's coattails, and we need the help 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:20.640 to be able to expand that message, because I would 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.080 venture to say that there's a large percentage of every 0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:26.800 one of those podcast listeners that either hunt or apply 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:29.279 to hunt in the state of Colorado. So you've got 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.719 skin in the game. What are you going to do? 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.400 You can You probably know people in Colorado, just like 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.040 you're talking about Johnny Hamilton, which all asked Johnny to 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:39.759 give me a plug when he comes on sometime. But 0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:45.200 there's an opportunity there to continue message building, continue ambassadorship, 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.880 to make sure that we are part of the solution 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:49.759 and not part of the problem. If you ignore it, 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:52.080 I don't care if you're an Arkansas or Michigan or Maryland. 0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:54.520 If you ignore it, you're part of the problem. And 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:56.960 the more states that they knock off for, the more 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.200 groups that they knock off for, the more individuals that 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.120 they get to be done trodden and just say I'm 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.759 not doing it anymore. Pretty soon our rank and file 0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.600 on our forces become smaller and smaller and smaller. We 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:10.279 have a message capability in our social media outreach and 0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:13.319 the branding that we've got and the visualization and the 0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:15.840 optics that we've created in a hunting and fishing community 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:19.800 to build something that is the most epic, monumental anti 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:23.160 anti hunting component you could possibly get, but we don't 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:25.200 do it very well. A lot of people want to 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:26.839 grip in grand they want to show their white tail, 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:29.440 they want to show their big fish. People share that 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:31.200 all over the place. If I was a really good 0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:33.239 looking that nineteen year old girl and had peanut butter 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:34.839 in my belly button, the dog was looking it out, 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:37.319 there'd be nine million people sharing that damn thing. But 0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:41.359 they're not going to do it for me. But they're 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.200 not going to do it with me because I'm an 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:48.000 old white guy who's trying to profess about hunting, trapping, 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:52.359 heritage tradition, and it's the livelihood of what we all 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:55.560 believe in. But it's a lot harder for somebody to 0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:58.040 turn around to make a comment or to share on 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.959 top of that the biggest trials and tribulations that we've had, 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:05.480 even though it's been monumental as fundraising, you have to 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.359 be able to fight the antis lies dollar for dollar, 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.719 punch for punch, and tit for tat, And to be 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:13.480 able to do that, people have come out of the woodwork. 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.240 I mean, I told you guys in June fifty States 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.640 We've gotten contributions and donations from We've got organizations and 0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:22.880 entities and businesses that are building up either T shirt 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:24.960 sales or knife sales. You saw the thing that outdoor 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.359 EDGs did for us. I mean, I mean they sold out. 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:31.480 They're reordering because the general public said I want to 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.480 do that. Now they get a knife in return for it. 0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:36.800 But they can be part of the solution as opposed 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:39.240 to be part of the problem. If you know people 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:43.560 in Colorado, talk to them, because there's a we got 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.480 five point nine million people in the state of Colorado, 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:48.839 eighty four million annual visitors. The majority of people that 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.960 are listening to this have been or know somebody in Colorado, 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.600 or they hunt, are they vacation, or they do business, 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.040 or they have a second home, or they ski. Even 0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:59.640 though you can't vote somewhere, do a little bit of 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:02.840 effort and just say, hey, Joe, you live in Longmont, 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:04.640 what do you think about this mount? 0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:09.759 Yeah? I know some people. I know some people. I'll 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:13.040 tell them, yeah, I mean, but. 0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:17.399 It's are there any Are there any scheduled events coming 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.560 up this fall, like public events. 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.400 The biggest ones we've got actually coming up this week, 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:25.440 and it'll be it'll be I guess a week and 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.240 a half or two weeks before this actually airs. Where's 0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.799 where in Denver and Robbie Kroger with Blood Orgs is 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.239 premiering the Lionheart documentary about hound hunting, and that's at 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.000 the Paramount Theater in downtown Denver. 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:39.680 Really yeah and tell yeah, tell us about that. 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:41.400 Yeah, so that so that, So that would be a 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:44.200 couple couple of days a week before this actually airs. 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:44.760 Shoot. 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:47.520 Yeah, but it's it's something. Those are the type of 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:50.440 things Robbie went out on a limb, turns around and 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:53.920 gets the Paramount Theater has twelve or fifteen hundred tickets available. 0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:55.800 That's a red carpet deal. The media is supposed to 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.080 be there. They're feeding Wild Game as a as like 0:48:58.120 --> 0:48:59.560 an order of deal, and there's going to be some 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:02.799 silent bus and stuff. But that shows part of what 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:04.960 I'm trying to talk about as far as. 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:06.080 We should go to that brand. 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:06.759 Yeah for real. 0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:11.640 I like Robbie, it's a community building and messaging and 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:15.520 ambassadorship to say it's not my fight unless it's your fight. 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:17.399 And if it's your fight, it better darncher be your 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.600 fight and be your fight because they're going to do it. 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.160 It's some look. They're going after lead weights on fishing, 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:26.560 they're going after lead shot on shotguns. They're going after 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.759 pinned bird hunts. For training your dogs. They're trying to 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:31.440 get you not to be able to use tools to 0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:33.040 train your dogs. They're trying to get you to be 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:35.560 It doesn't matter what it is. It's just that whatever 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:37.800 they can get at whatever level they find the weakest 0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:40.919 chink in the armor in any single state, in any 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:43.440 single level, that's what they go after. And that's the 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:46.759 hardest thing to get people to understand is just step up. 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.400 Just do something. Write a letter. If you read an 0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:53.200 op ed instead of turning around in which people get 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:55.320 like you was talking about the New York Times, the 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:59.040 Wall Street Journal. People see something and they don't agree 0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:01.200 with it. Just try john a note to the editor 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:03.640 instead of saying did you see that? And they talk 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.120 about it for twenty, you know, twenty minutes or ten 0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:08.839 different people. Just jot a note down. See if you're 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.680 going to do this, you know, very unbiased. Make sure 0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:13.960 you cover both sides of the story, and you don't 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.400 take a study from the people who are trying to 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.879 take away the hunting who are who's that's the team 0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:23.000 of the study. There's there's tools available to us, and 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.160 I don't think that we've done a very good job 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:28.120 even though we've got the tools available now. 0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:34.279 What has happened though, has been pretty remarkable. Yeah, with 0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:38.840 the support that you guys have had, led by you 0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:44.040 one hundred percent and others too. But I mean, I 0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:46.640 think this is the first time in the last last 0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:51.040 decade at least, that I've seen the eyes of the 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:56.040 hunting community really pop open about a predator issue, which 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:59.439 I think is incredible, at least at this level. 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:01.960 Do you agree with Yeah, it's it's something to where 0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:04.680 you know, I mentioned the guys at Howl for Wildlife 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:07.319 and when I when I and a friend of mine 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:11.640 started this organization CROWM in twenty sixteen, we did it 0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:15.319 with the idea that we were probably going to get 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:19.840 a very unfavorable gubernatorial administration in twenty eighteen, just the 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:22.200 way the makeup of the land was. We didn't know 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:25.680 we were going to get you know, the anti the 0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:32.279 anti hunter supreme. But starting starting preemptively at that point 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:33.640 in time is the only thing that got us to 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:37.680 the level to where we can be today. And seeing 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:40.120 the support and seeing the outreach and seeing the messaging 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:43.520 and seeing the funding and seeing what people are trying 0:51:43.560 --> 0:51:49.320 to do at every single level. It's inspirational. It's admirable. 0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:51.680 I mean, and I know that we're carrying a lot 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:53.440 of the heat on that, but I mean still, you've 0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:54.920 got to be able to motivate people to be able 0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:57.000 to turn around and do it well enough. And I 0:51:57.040 --> 0:51:59.920 don't care if it's a hounds organization in Ohio or 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:04.120 Michigan or somebody in Arizona or in California. They're all contributing. 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:06.200 I don't care if it's a trappers association where they're at. 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:09.040 I don't care if it's a bow hunter association, fishing associations, 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:13.280 individual businesses, you know, tackle shops, kids would lemonade stands. 0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:16.640 I mean, I mean, there's not an exaggeration, but ninety 0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:20.200 eight hundred individual contributions this year, not counting what we 0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:23.720 did latter part of last year and September through December. 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:26.680 I mean, that's a lot, especially when you start talking 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:28.360 some of those are one hundred thousand dollars and some 0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:32.200 of them are twenty dollars. It takes millions of dollars 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:35.680 to fight extremism. You can't do it cheap, and you 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:38.319 darn sure can't do it on a presidential election year 0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:42.520 when everybody else is buying this for fifty dollars and normally, 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:44.160 well you could buy it for twenty five. Now it 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:46.640 cost you one hundred and fifty because of the political scale, 0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:49.160 and so it cost you more money to be able 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:52.960 to do it. But the more negativity And you mentioned CBS, 0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:55.320 so a CBS in Denver that covered it on that 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:59.640 study with a chronic waste and disease, they won't sell 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:03.600 the advertising that we need unless it's at a very 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:08.680 higher premium because the yep, because they see election exactly. 0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:09.480 Yeah. 0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:12.879 So there's there's so many moving parts of this whole thing, Clay, 0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:16.640 that that the average guy doesn't understand because it's not 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:17.560 in their wheelhouse. 0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:19.600 I mean, just like you were talking about, you know, softball. 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:23.600 Harris and Trump both wanted to be here today and 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:28.680 I told them no because we only had six hook 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:32.399 upside on this one. 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:34.360 He won't let anybody else sit on his saddle. 0:53:35.960 --> 0:53:40.640 We put either one of them right there. Do you 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:41.640 have any questions? 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:42.200 Do you do? 0:53:42.760 --> 0:53:42.800 So? 0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:46.200 What do they need for the mountain lion Man to 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:48.719 go into effect? Is it votes or signatures? 0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:50.839 They need votes At this point in time, they turned 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:53.440 in the appropriate amount of signatures, even with our decline 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:57.520 to sign campaign. But they turned into the signatures July third, 0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:01.480 they were certified on July thirtieth, and now we've been 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:04.560 in that weight game of waiting for a number to 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:07.439 come up. And so it's going to be on the ballot. 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:09.200 We just don't know exactly what number. And by the 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.240 time that this podcast airs will probably have an idea, 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:15.239 if not no specifically what ballot number it is. 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:20.160 Okay, so what are like, how many do you have 0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:22.120 an idea of how many votes they would need for 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:23.160 it to go into effect. 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:26.759 Well, depends on the registered voters. But if you go 0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:31.000 anything off the Wolf deal from twenty twenty, you figure 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.759 that I mean, you're fighting for you're fighting for hair 0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:36.520 on the on somebody's chin at this point in time, 0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:39.400 or maybe hair on their head, depending on you in 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:44.080 your case, but you you're fighting for very few follicles 0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:46.480 of hair. Because when you start talking about thirty three 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:48.959 thousand out of five point nine million with four point 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.879 one million registered voters, it doesn't take long to say 0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:55.360 this is not insurmountable. Yeah, it's just that you have 0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:57.560 to have the people show up. And we've heard stories 0:54:57.760 --> 0:55:00.760 from around the country, not just in Colorado, but two thousand, 0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:07.319 for instance, that two thousand and twenty twenty two, from 0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:10.959 two thousand to twenty twenty, that the sportsmen and women 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:16.320 vote has declined almost fifteen percent. That's not because they've declined, 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:18.000 it's just that they opted not to pull the trigger. 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:20.680 They opted not to vote. So from twenty twenty to 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:24.200 twenty two that stayed pretty close. If we have fifteen 0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:26.120 percent of the sportsmen and women in the country that 0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.480 are really not voting at all because they don't think 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:32.520 it's worth it, well, how does that, especially when you're 0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:35.440 losing by a half a percent or a percent, If 0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:38.040 you get those fifteen percent just to show up, even 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:40.960 if they didn't all vote the same way, because they'd 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:42.239 all see the same thing. 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:42.879 A call. 0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:46.759 When you call somebody to action, they say, especially digitally, 0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:51.000 you go past one or two pokes with your finger 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:53.040 and you've lost everybody. Yep, they're not going to go 0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:57.120 beyond that. I'm talking to everybody out there and everybody 0:55:57.200 --> 0:55:59.440 in this room except Dan, because I know you're going 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:02.080 to do it. But we got to just decide we're 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:04.560 going to put in the effort and take this thing 0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:06.359 back because it's laying there. 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:07.040 We could do it. 0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:11.760 It could be an absolute overwhelming smash by our side 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.440 to take this back, if enough folks would just take 0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:17.239 get the gumption to get up off the couch and 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:18.719 get it done, take the initiative. 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:22.480 I had more people in twenty twenty that have told 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:29.320 me since then that they didn't vote in twenty twenty. Ranchers, farmers, outfitters. 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:31.320 You got to stop and think about two things that 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:36.320 our side doesn't think about often. And November fifth is 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:38.600 right in the middle hunting season. It's right middle of 0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:41.200 shipping season for cattle. It's getting out of high country 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:42.759 and going to the low country, and it's getting ready 0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:45.120 for winter. And it's too it And I had and 0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:47.200 in Colorado, you don't go to the pole. It's a 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:49.319 mail end ballot. It's sent to you. All you got 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:50.480 to do is fill it out and put it in. 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:53.759 You don't have to drop it off anywhere. It doesn't 0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:55.640 cost you anything to be able to turn around to 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:58.080 do it. But I had many many people since that 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:01.000 time that said, yeah, if I know it was going 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:03.239 to be that close, I would have voted, and you 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:04.920 know how hard it is for me not to turn 0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:08.759 around and grab somebody by the neck. And but you 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:10.600 hear that over and over and over, and you're thinking, 0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:12.880 if that's just the people I'm hearing it from, how 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:15.200 many people actually didn't do it? Because I'm not talking 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:18.640 to everybody, but I understand how busy people can get 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:20.960 or I forgot or I just didn't get to it, 0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:22.640 or I was waiting for my wife to bring it out, 0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:23.920 or we were going to sit at the table and 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:27.560 then something came up. I tell you what. Those are 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:31.000 the things that the opposition, the extremists are capitalizing on 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:34.640 because they know that we're not as concerned about it 0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:37.120 as as what we allude and we're not going to 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:39.440 turn around and step out and gripe and complained about 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:40.720 it until it's done it over with. 0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:46.280 So going into this one at this point, just talking 0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:48.800 about you know, the residents of Colorado, do you how 0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:51.680 do you feel about it? I mean, do you are 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:54.640 you seeing still some apathy? Do you think they're motivated? 0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:55.840 What are you feeling around home? 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:57.760 I'm going to give you some statistics you because I 0:57:57.880 --> 0:58:00.920 like statistics. But I'll tell you back and back in 0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:04.720 twenty twenty, the first pole that came out on the 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:08.280 Wolf issue, there was a sixty eight percent favorability rating 0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:10.800 that the Wolf issue was going to pass by the 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:13.800 time that the company that we've hired now actually went 0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:16.280 through the trials and tribulations of that whole campaign with 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:19.080 their poles and everything, and they finally went to the ballot, 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:23.440 they knocked off seventeen points, so it went from sixty 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:25.960 eight percent to fifty one percent, and that's exactly where 0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:28.640 it ended up as fifty point nine. The biggest problem 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:31.360 is they didn't have enough money from the sportsman community 0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:34.400 and that were agriculture community descend it across the finish line. 0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:36.720 They just ran out of money. We've raised three and 0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:39.600 a half times more money to date than both of 0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:42.560 those anti wolf campaigns did combine in the entire time 0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:46.320 that they were doing stuff. That's a giant win for us. 0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:49.120 But if you remember sixty eight percent to start with 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:51.240 on that pole, the pole that we did on this 0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:54.840 last November when we started this campaign was fifty four 0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:58.640 percent favorability rating, fourteen points different than what the Wolf 0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:00.920 deal first came out at the poll that we got 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.720 back two weeks ago indicated that it's forty five four 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:08.680 forty four against and twelve points undecided. That's a that's 0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:13.720 a major hit on the opposition. It's a major gain 0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:16.760 on our part because there's so that twelve percent is 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:18.480 what we're looking at right now. We know that there's 0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:20.880 forty five to forty four. We're looking at that twelve, 0:59:21.520 --> 0:59:24.800 but we don't we don't need all twelve. We need. 0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:27.920 All we need is seven of the twelve, and so 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:29.040 that's more math. 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:31.040 Just you know, you guys are killing all. 0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:34.800 Right, I'll mess up somewhere. 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:37.800 Do you think about me and Brent on the freeway 0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:39.080 in Denver with big. 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:42.320 Signs, sandwich boards on the street. 0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:48.160 I'll get I'll get you a room. You tell me 0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:49.240 when you want to be there. 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:55.520 Dude, we should do a live podcast from the freeway 0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:59.240 the state capitol holding our signs, I. 0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:07.320 Mean live Mountain Lion on a chain. Brent's kind that 1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:12.520 sign around like, yeah, yeah, we should have we should 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:12.800 have had. 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.600 Mountain Lion hide laid out here. Yeah yeah. 1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:18.080 We just we need as much help as we can 1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:20.960 get from people that don't think that they can do anything, 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:23.440 and just because you don't vote in Colorado, and is. 1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:25.840 It not it's not too late. This is coming out 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:28.400 in September night, Like these last two months are really. 1:00:28.360 --> 1:00:32.640 Critical actually because we haven't had a number that's being 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:34.680 given to us. You can't tell people to vote knowing 1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:36.720 whatever it is, because we don't have a number, even 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:39.240 though people are still using the ninety one. It was 1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:41.840 Initiative ninety one. But once it becomes a proposition, that 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:44.240 number will change. So that's why you haven't seen any 1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:48.000 direct advertising, subliminal message in on our part, you know, 1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:50.160 don't allow the hunting band to happen. Make sure you 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:53.200 support you know, science based wildlife management and the North 1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:56.160 American model. But that's still for the most part, talking 1:00:56.200 --> 1:01:00.320 to our audience. Once they start seeing the negative and 1:01:00.360 --> 1:01:03.240 the display of the lives and the falsehoods from the opposition, 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:05.640 and then we come up with the science based stuff 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:07.959 and you know, the lions attacking dogs and the lions 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:10.600 attacking people, and the lions decimating deer and elk populations 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:13.960 and not just taking the sick CWD deer out. Oh 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:15.640 you know, I mean it's like they just pick them out. 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:17.440 I mean it's like it's like that one right there, 1:01:20.320 --> 1:01:22.720 let me swap your nose. I mean, you know, and 1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:25.280 I always I always wonder, I said, and of course 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:27.960 I'm in so darned many meetings anymore, but I always 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:31.880 wonder that that what if they what if they run 1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:36.880 out of chronic waste of disease deer, I mean, what 1:01:37.080 --> 1:01:37.720 they don't eat? 1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:39.280 No, then they're eating toddlers. 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:41.960 Yeah, you know, I mean you know, I think. 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:46.160 Uh a point that's just as strong. And again we're 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:48.120 preaching to the choir. But but I think about this 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:51.480 with with predator hunting issues, is that like, yeah, you 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:54.120 can make a case of all the negative stuff that 1:01:54.320 --> 1:01:58.920 lions are doing, you know, predating upond livestock and all 1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:03.320 this different stuff. But to me, the most positive argument 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:07.520 is that we've been hunting them pretty hard for fifty 1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:11.960 sixty years and the populations are still very strong. So 1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:17.880 the the you know, sport hunting is really pretty inconsequential 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:24.160 to uh, you know, thriving mountain lion populations. Now, I mean, 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:25.440 would you agree. 1:02:25.240 --> 1:02:27.760 With that, well, yeah, one hundred percent, because when when 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:31.400 if you listen to some of the oppositions spokespeople, if 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:33.400 we keep and I've got recordings of it, it's on 1:02:33.480 --> 1:02:35.680 some of our social media stuff. If we keep hunting 1:02:35.720 --> 1:02:39.320 mountain lands at this rate, they're going to become extinct. Okay, well, 1:02:39.320 --> 1:02:41.160 we've been hunting that at this rate since the last 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:45.280 fifty five sixty years and we've we've increased our populations thirty. 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:48.320 Fold, and so so that's the message. 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:51.840 Yeah, we ain't keeping in check or dumb people. 1:02:57.160 --> 1:02:59.000 Well then okay, you don't want to come to Colorado 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:06.240 with a sign, then we're just we're we're up against 1:03:06.280 --> 1:03:08.720 the wall. To the point of the last sixty five 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:11.640 seventy five days of this campaign, that's when it's really 1:03:11.720 --> 1:03:14.360 going to get into the weeds. You're going to see 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:17.480 a lot of name calling from both sides, and you're 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:19.000 going to see a lot of facts from our side, 1:03:19.000 --> 1:03:20.480 a lot of data from our side, a lot of 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:23.280 criticism from our side, and just lies in fallacies and 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:26.280 falsehoods from the opposition. That's just that's the way they play, 1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:29.040 and they play it. It doesn't matter whether you want 1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:32.280 to talk about raccoon hunting in Pennsylvania or you want 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:35.240 to talk about coops deer hunting in Arizona. That's the 1:03:35.320 --> 1:03:37.960 way they play. Every single level of it. It's and 1:03:38.040 --> 1:03:41.640 they always come out with something that is more sensationalized 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:43.800 than the last time that they did it, because they 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:46.919 realize that their supporter is the one that turns around, 1:03:47.000 --> 1:03:51.080 doesn't know, has no clue whatsoever. And as I've often said, 1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:53.400 if you've got ten percent on the top that support 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:57.680 hunting avid hunters, and you've got ten percent that are 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:01.880 avid anti extremists, you don't need to convince that eighty percent. 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:04.760 You need to convince forty one of that eighty that's it, 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:07.520 because you're just trying to get to fifty one. It's 1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:10.320 fifty plus one or fifty point, you know, fifty plus 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:15.400 point one or whatever. The average person doesn't understand just 1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:18.080 the intricacies of wildlife management. And I don't know what 1:04:18.160 --> 1:04:21.120 you got in Arkansas, but in Colorado we've got nine 1:04:21.200 --> 1:04:23.520 hundred and sixty one species of wildlife and seventy eight 1:04:23.560 --> 1:04:27.880 of those are game species. Those are so well appropriately managed. 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:30.560 And have been saying that again, nine hundred and sixty 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:34.360 one species of wildlife and seventy eight game species. Now 1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:39.960 that's that's toads and salamanders, everything, that's seventy eight game species. 1:04:40.520 --> 1:04:43.240 So you figured, you know, ducks and squirrels and fur 1:04:43.320 --> 1:04:45.200 bearing animals and big game in small game, and all 1:04:45.240 --> 1:04:49.640 the stuff that's combined. Seventy eight of those species, the 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:52.000 licenses and the permits that go along with them, pay 1:04:52.080 --> 1:04:55.160 for the management of nine hundred and sixty one other species, 1:04:55.520 --> 1:05:05.360 including the flipping wolf. I mean, you know, yeah, I'm 1:05:05.360 --> 1:05:09.880 trying to be politically, is okay? 1:05:09.920 --> 1:05:12.360 I guess, yeah, I think, I think and this is 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:16.920 kind of a broader appeal, which I think is a 1:05:17.040 --> 1:05:20.120 narrative that's stronger now in the hunting community that it's 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:25.600 ever been. But there is a real need for for 1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:29.880 hunters to be evangelical in a sense of just like 1:05:30.040 --> 1:05:35.160 think about if if if every hunter was sharing wild 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:38.919 game with their non hunting friends and neighbors that wanted meat, 1:05:39.760 --> 1:05:42.240 and and all of a sudden, these eight or ten 1:05:42.400 --> 1:05:46.600 people have a totally different opinion about hunters than they 1:05:46.680 --> 1:05:50.080 ever had before when they when they understand that their 1:05:50.160 --> 1:05:52.640 neighbor is a hunter and how they're using this meat 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:56.840 and how how wonderful it is, and uh, you know, 1:05:57.320 --> 1:06:00.000 there's there's groups of people today, groups of hunters today 1:06:00.240 --> 1:06:03.640 that talk about how that you know this, uh you 1:06:03.720 --> 1:06:07.480 know that we shouldn't be trying to spread hunting. We 1:06:07.520 --> 1:06:11.480 shouldn't be trying to to grow the hunting community. We're 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:16.480 putting excess, excess stress on the resource and stuff. And 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:19.240 I just think it's just so that is a perfect 1:06:19.320 --> 1:06:21.720 way for hunting to be dead in a generation. Oh yeah, 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:24.280 it's it's for us to all to you know, to 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:24.960 hunt quietly. 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:27.360 And and. 1:06:29.040 --> 1:06:32.840 I just I respect the passion that that group has. 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:37.720 I just think it's dead wrong. And I and I 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:41.600 think about like even in the future as we continue, 1:06:42.000 --> 1:06:43.680 and this won't go away. I mean, like if we 1:06:43.840 --> 1:06:46.720 beat this, it's like the next thing is going to 1:06:46.800 --> 1:06:49.280 come around. It's like this, this is a way of life. 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:52.160 If we want to maintain this way of life in 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:55.360 North America, we have to build a fighting culture. 1:06:55.640 --> 1:06:55.800 You know. 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:59.200 When I first got into the national bear hunting scene 1:06:59.200 --> 1:07:02.160 in twenty thirteen, uh, growing up in a in a 1:07:02.280 --> 1:07:06.440 state that's very favorable to hunting and rural culture and living. Uh, 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:10.920 I was exposed to the Michigan Bear Hunters Association of 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:13.880 the Michigan and went up there and did a film 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:18.720 with them, Like I made a film for them, and man, 1:07:19.080 --> 1:07:23.760 they raise their whole just inside their hunting culture. If 1:07:23.800 --> 1:07:27.280 you're a bear hunter, you're politically politically active, and you're 1:07:27.280 --> 1:07:30.240 a fighter. Like that, those two things go hand in hand. 1:07:30.280 --> 1:07:33.720 You're you're a member. There's multiple great bear hunting organizations 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:36.920 up there, and uh, it's just part of the culture. 1:07:36.920 --> 1:07:39.160 I mean, their kids grow up knowing that, Yep, we're 1:07:39.200 --> 1:07:41.800 bear hunters, we're members of the association, we go to 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:46.400 the banquet, we vote, and uh, that has to become 1:07:46.680 --> 1:07:51.160 something that's stronger everywhere, not just in places, and in 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:54.600 Michigan specifically, it's a you know, they have a referendum 1:07:54.920 --> 1:07:57.680 government where you can just with the amount of signatures, 1:07:57.720 --> 1:07:59.600 like Colorado, you can get stuff on the ballot. That's 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:03.240 not an every state. And they just know that they 1:08:03.320 --> 1:08:07.080 have to fight, they have to raise money and so powerful. 1:08:07.520 --> 1:08:10.200 And I just think about how just as we continue 1:08:10.240 --> 1:08:15.000 to go forward, you know, we just have to be 1:08:15.440 --> 1:08:18.519 and I think evangelical is the right word, stealing that 1:08:18.680 --> 1:08:22.640 term from you know, like in a religious sense. 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:25.840 But you also have to be you also have to 1:08:25.880 --> 1:08:29.280 be meticulously calculated on how you do that. And I 1:08:29.400 --> 1:08:32.920 say that because from twenty nineteen, twenty and twenty one, 1:08:33.360 --> 1:08:38.040 we beat these attempts to take away the pursuit and 1:08:38.080 --> 1:08:40.479 the harvest of these animals through the Colorida Parks and 1:08:40.479 --> 1:08:43.800 Wildlife Commission. We beat them unanimously with this Governor's Commission, 1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:46.120 and in twenty twenty two they went to the General 1:08:46.120 --> 1:08:49.719 Assembly for the voter for the legislature to turn around 1:08:49.720 --> 1:08:51.400 and vote on it, and we beat them there. So 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:53.680 we beat them in all forms of government. This is now. 1:08:53.920 --> 1:08:55.880 They didn't like the former government side, so now they 1:08:55.920 --> 1:08:58.160 turn around and go to the general public side, thinking 1:08:58.240 --> 1:09:00.880 that they can, you know, be fuddle and blindfold the 1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:05.200 general public to override two different entities of the government government, 1:09:05.560 --> 1:09:08.720 one from the governor's particular appointments and one from a 1:09:08.880 --> 1:09:13.479 very democratic blue side of the legislature. If you're out 1:09:13.560 --> 1:09:16.360 numbered with those colors twenty three to twelve in the 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:18.439 Senate and forty nine to sixteen like I mentioned, and 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:22.200 you still win four to one in the committee, you 1:09:22.360 --> 1:09:26.040 won with those Democrats, and then at the commission you 1:09:26.520 --> 1:09:29.640 beat them eleven zero eleven to zero eleven zero. They 1:09:29.640 --> 1:09:31.360 didn't like those things, so now they're turn around and 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:33.120 going this way. That's part of the fight that the 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:35.719 general public needs to be aware of because in twenty 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:38.320 six states where you do have the ballot initiative capabilities 1:09:38.360 --> 1:09:40.720 like what we have in Colorado, and some of that's good. 1:09:40.800 --> 1:09:42.439 It just that there has to be some sideboards and 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:46.720 blinders put on it. But you can't have you know, 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:50.799 I don't want the general public voting on brain surgery. 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:53.320 I don't want them, you know, I just you know, 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:55.880 I just don't think that that would be a good idea. 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:58.599 And we're talking about science, and to me, wild life 1:09:58.640 --> 1:10:01.760 management is just like brain serve. You have to have experts. 1:10:02.040 --> 1:10:04.720 And we've got three hundred and fifty bonified scientists out 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:07.880 of twelve hundred employees in our Game and Fish parts 1:10:07.880 --> 1:10:11.000 of wallet department. Three hundred and fifty scientists, not some 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:13.600 lunatics that just turn around and did a study for 1:10:13.720 --> 1:10:18.439 the Animal Action Institute or Animal Wellness Action and the 1:10:18.560 --> 1:10:22.040 Center for Humane Economy. We can all commit if we're 1:10:22.040 --> 1:10:23.320 going to do that, we can all sit around here 1:10:23.360 --> 1:10:24.720 and do a report and study on our own and 1:10:24.800 --> 1:10:26.280 then turn around and release that and we should be 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:29.160 the experts on it. Well maybe we would be, but 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:30.800 I don't think that that's the case. When we're turned 1:10:30.800 --> 1:10:33.400 around and trying to take things away, and I think 1:10:33.479 --> 1:10:36.719 that that shows that shows the deceit and the lives 1:10:36.800 --> 1:10:39.439 of the opposition. We don't like the experts that are 1:10:39.479 --> 1:10:41.760 doing this stuff, so we're just going to turn around 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:43.320 and come up with our own stuff. Although we have 1:10:43.439 --> 1:10:45.280 no backing, no money, no science to turn around and 1:10:45.320 --> 1:10:45.960 do it. We just say it. 1:10:46.360 --> 1:10:47.680 We just come up with a bunch of stuff and 1:10:47.760 --> 1:10:48.000 say it. 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:52.040 Then, should people give money to the Colorado's for responsible 1:10:52.040 --> 1:10:52.839 wildlife management? 1:10:52.920 --> 1:10:54.600 You've got two options that they can do it. And 1:10:54.680 --> 1:10:57.559 because in Colorado you have to have an issues committee formulated, 1:10:57.600 --> 1:11:00.639 which we've done. The issues committee which is actually running 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:06.559 the grassroots part of the campaign is Colorado Wildlife Deserve Better. 1:11:06.680 --> 1:11:09.439 They can go to Wildlife Deserve beetter dot com. They 1:11:09.479 --> 1:11:13.080 can donate there while Life Deserve Better dot com. Yeah, 1:11:13.320 --> 1:11:14.800 And then if they don't want to do that, and 1:11:14.840 --> 1:11:16.760 they're already used to doing the save the Hunt side 1:11:16.800 --> 1:11:19.720 of things for the Colorado It's responsible wildlife management, then 1:11:19.760 --> 1:11:21.920 they can go to Save the Hunt Colorado dot com 1:11:22.000 --> 1:11:22.720 and donate there. 1:11:22.920 --> 1:11:24.559 Now you said the other one first, is the other 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:25.000 one better? 1:11:25.160 --> 1:11:27.080 The other one, the other one is the one that 1:11:27.320 --> 1:11:29.759 has to do every single thing over the next seventy 1:11:29.800 --> 1:11:33.000 five days. The crowm save the hunt is the one 1:11:33.080 --> 1:11:36.880 that supports and creates all the working nuances. I mean, 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:38.559 that's the one that paid for me to turn around 1:11:38.600 --> 1:11:40.439 and come here. That's the one that turn around and 1:11:40.520 --> 1:11:43.880 does the outside messaging primarily to the stakeholder, to talking 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:46.800 to the choir. The Wildlife Deserve Better is the one 1:11:46.840 --> 1:11:48.439 that we have to have to be able to talk. 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:50.040 To the That's where we want to direct people to 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:55.840 go Life Deserve Better. Wildlife Deserve Better dot com. Okay, okay, 1:11:55.920 --> 1:11:57.400 Wildlife Deserve Better dot com. 1:11:58.360 --> 1:11:59.680 Man go in. 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:03.200 First person that sends me proof they donated one thousand dollars, 1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:04.080 what are you gonna do for them? 1:12:04.080 --> 1:12:05.639 I'm gonna send them a case pocket knife. 1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:10.080 No way under more than fifty bucks though, First person to. 1:12:10.120 --> 1:12:13.800 Send a receipt that they gave a thousand I'm gonna 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:14.960 send a case pocket knife. 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:16.240 Did you hear that? 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:20.000 Folks with an autograph letter of authenticity? 1:12:20.200 --> 1:12:24.240 Sure, first person that proves the Brent Reeves that they 1:12:24.320 --> 1:12:26.120 donated one thousand dollars. 1:12:26.360 --> 1:12:29.560 Two wildlife. 1:12:31.640 --> 1:12:35.160 Dot com gonna get a case knife from Brent Reeves. 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:39.840 So then one quick question other than the donation, is 1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:42.080 there any like a short list of things of say, 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:44.360 like a guy like me and Mississippi or somebody that's not. 1:12:44.520 --> 1:12:47.559 Is there a short list of actionable things somebody could 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:50.120 do that's not living in Colorado that could be impactful. 1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:54.920 I think the biggest thing that I can see is 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:59.120 if you're following us on Instagram or Facebook, or you're 1:12:59.120 --> 1:13:02.479 seeing comments from other forums and other venues on any 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:06.080 one of that social media outlets, is as opposed to 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:08.280 just reading it and going on and scrolling through it, 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:11.360 look at look at what it is, and if you 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:14.160 believe in that, then turn around and make a comment 1:13:14.320 --> 1:13:17.639 and share it and try to repost share it online. Yeah, 1:13:17.760 --> 1:13:20.200 it has to be. It has to be more expansive. 1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:23.160 It's got to be more institutional. It's got to be 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:26.439 more in our community that I heard what Lake said 1:13:26.520 --> 1:13:28.560 or I heard what Clay said, and I'm going to 1:13:28.600 --> 1:13:31.080 turn around and try to promote that message. I mean, 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:35.240 if if a tornado is coming and you know that 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:37.120 the neighbors down the road, I can speak about this 1:13:37.200 --> 1:13:37.719 in Arkansas. 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:40.080 I guess our language. 1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:41.920 Yeah, if the language. 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:44.559 Exactly if you if a tornado's coming and you hear 1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:46.320 the siren and you know the guy down the road 1:13:46.360 --> 1:13:48.040 can't hear the siren. Because he's deaf, you're just going 1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:50.280 to watch his house blow away. I think that's where 1:13:50.280 --> 1:13:52.439 a lot of sportsmen and women are deaf. 1:13:53.160 --> 1:13:55.800 Do we like that fellow down the road? Yeah? It 1:13:55.840 --> 1:13:58.400 shouldn't make a difference, and in any case, it didn't, 1:13:58.920 --> 1:13:59.120 you know. 1:13:59.520 --> 1:14:00.920 I think I think that we're to a point to 1:14:00.960 --> 1:14:04.599 where it's upon ourselves to make sure that we lock arms. 1:14:04.640 --> 1:14:07.360 I mean, you know, we talk about a well regulated militia. 1:14:07.479 --> 1:14:09.800 We talk about you know, seeing an eye to eye 1:14:09.840 --> 1:14:11.960 and making sure we support our neighbor and stuff. That's 1:14:12.000 --> 1:14:14.200 what we've been doing. It's just that I think we've 1:14:14.240 --> 1:14:16.400 got away from a lot of that because it's easy, 1:14:16.479 --> 1:14:17.880 because you can click a button, you don't have to 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:20.720 worry about it. It's more important now to make sure 1:14:20.760 --> 1:14:23.840 that we're all we're all part of one community, and 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:26.320 that's the sportsmen and women community to support hunting and 1:14:26.400 --> 1:14:29.400 fishing and conservation and the science based wildlife management. 1:14:29.880 --> 1:14:31.240 M hm, that's good. 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:36.840 Thanks for coming down man. Your I commend your energy 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:40.600 and your just all the work you've done last years. 1:14:41.160 --> 1:14:46.120 It's inspirational to us, inspirational to me to see somebody 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:50.840 that's putting their life behind their words. You know you're 1:14:50.880 --> 1:14:57.160 out there doing it and so yeah, man, I just 1:14:57.240 --> 1:15:00.280 want us to find tangible ways to support and help 1:15:00.320 --> 1:15:02.120 this thing because it is bigger in Colorado. 1:15:02.280 --> 1:15:03.080 When we win. 1:15:04.800 --> 1:15:09.280 On November fifth, the thing that I'm already been asked 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:12.080 by different groups and organizations is will you come speak 1:15:12.160 --> 1:15:15.960 here and will you come present here different conventions or shows. 1:15:17.160 --> 1:15:20.240 When we win, it'll be a culmination of a playbook 1:15:20.280 --> 1:15:22.720 and a roadmap that was created from some guys in 1:15:22.840 --> 1:15:26.519 California with hol for Wildlife and ourselves and creating a 1:15:26.600 --> 1:15:29.200 bond and then outreach into every single person that we 1:15:29.240 --> 1:15:31.599 could possibly outreach too that has a voice and a message, 1:15:32.200 --> 1:15:36.920 and that'll create the playbook on funding, on messaging, on outreach, 1:15:37.080 --> 1:15:41.960 on networking, on strategy building, the legal side of things, 1:15:42.120 --> 1:15:44.960 the logistical side of things. And that's something that we've 1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:48.519 missed from a nationwide perspective. Some states have been able 1:15:48.560 --> 1:15:51.120 to fight some of this stuff off. But when we win, 1:15:51.960 --> 1:15:53.200 we want to be able to turn around and take 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:55.679 that playbook and hand it to somebody else in Arkansas 1:15:55.880 --> 1:15:58.479 or Washington and say this is what worked, and it 1:15:58.520 --> 1:16:00.360 didn't work on just a state level, worked on a 1:16:00.439 --> 1:16:02.559 national level, on the regional level, on the local level, 1:16:02.880 --> 1:16:05.200 and this is how you can build an armament to 1:16:05.360 --> 1:16:06.120 future victories. 1:16:07.000 --> 1:16:07.439 It's good. 1:16:08.439 --> 1:16:11.040 Great Blake, thanks for coming up from Mississippi. 1:16:11.439 --> 1:16:12.320 Thanks for having me here. 1:16:12.640 --> 1:16:18.200 Yep, appreciate it. Everybody else, thanks for being here. And 1:16:18.600 --> 1:16:23.120 don't forget about Brent's case knife, going out to going 1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:27.200 out to the Thanks guys, very much. 1:16:27.240 --> 1:16:28.240 Appreciate it. Thanks