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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called the Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: We are on a special bear Grease droplake. We're giving

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Speaker 1: the people what they want more. I'd say, the people

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Speaker 1: say more, we give them more.

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Speaker 3: We say how much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna be a good episode.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We've got with us multiple special guests. But Dan Gates

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Speaker 1: from Colorado's for Responsible Wildlife Management, You've been on here before,

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Speaker 1: friend of ours and uh, and we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about this Colorado Mountain Lion deal. So welcome. Sure coming

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Speaker 1: to Arkansas. Appreciate thanks for the global headquarters.

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Speaker 3: It's it's amazing me. Well, everybody knows who Clay nucom

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Speaker 3: is down here.

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Speaker 2: I know that well.

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Speaker 1: In some spots, in some places.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: He's definitely a legend here within the you know, one

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Speaker 4: hundred yard Radio.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got Baron Newcomb. Good to see you. Bear

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Speaker 1: glad to be here. Yeah, probably need a haircut, Lake

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Speaker 1: Lake pickle with on ax, moving on Lake. Tell us

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Speaker 1: what you do? I know what you do, but tell

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Speaker 1: the world what do you do for?

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Speaker 5: So I'm like, I guess the easiest title to put

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Speaker 5: on it is, I'm like, I'm a marketing manager. I

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Speaker 5: work a lot on the waterfowl side and then work

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Speaker 5: pretty much on our social media strategy and our YouTube

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Speaker 5: and everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're not from Missoula, Montana. I'm not. You

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Speaker 1: are from a state that starts with an M.

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Speaker 5: Though, I think that's how I confused him. I just yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's just the M. I kind of threw them off

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Speaker 5: for a second. But yeah, no, it it's been fun.

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Speaker 5: I've been with ONEX for a little over two and

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Speaker 5: a half years now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yep, lakes from Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: Right right in the center of it.

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Speaker 5: I will say when I got here is the first

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Speaker 5: time I met Bear in person, and his hair over

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Speaker 5: social media it's not done justice to He's got like

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Speaker 5: a main it's.

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Speaker 2: Impressed, like a groomed lion.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a little envious, right man, that's impressive. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh, we've got josh Lanbridge filmmaker. Good to see you, Josh.

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Speaker 1: Here we got Brent Reeves. Good to see man. I

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Speaker 1: like that this country life shirt.

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Speaker 7: I had to get up for breakfast, come up here

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Speaker 7: to day Yeah yeah, early start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Man, these things the people really digging them. Yeah they

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Speaker 7: look good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I got mine without the muscles.

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Speaker 3: With Dan.

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Speaker 1: I saw an interesting headline today in the New York

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Speaker 1: group of of the hunters that are fox hunters, which

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Speaker 1: just like straight up band the wild fox hunts. Now

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Speaker 1: they they still got dogs over there, and they do

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Speaker 1: It's like very traditional European hunt and the and this

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Speaker 1: And it's like, uh, I thought it was pretty interesting

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Speaker 3: I have. And there's there's been a growing enthusiasm to

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Speaker 1: They're interested in protecting everybody else exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but other groups are like I never really thought

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Speaker 3: it's something to where it'd be interesting to see how

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Speaker 3: as you mentioned Native American, they're like, don't mess with

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Speaker 3: the Native American. But when you just mentioned fur, they're like,

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Speaker 3: well it has to do with cowboy hats. Well well, okay,

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Speaker 3: well there's an exception. Well it has to do with

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Speaker 3: as you mentioned Native American, all of them are on board.

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Speaker 3: They say nobody shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Mess with it.

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Speaker 1: Just yesterday, I was doing some research for something and

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Speaker 7: Well, it's interesting, it's interesting that you say that about

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Speaker 7: You think about what you said, Dan, about how as

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Speaker 7: soon as Native Americans are mentioned, it's its hands off,

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Speaker 7: when one hundred years ago it wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like that, right, one hundred and fifty years ago,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so there, I think there's room from what you're

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Speaker 7: I'm not comparing hunters to Native Americans what happened to

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Speaker 3: Room for Well, look what they just did last year

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're not talking about reservation land. We're not

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Speaker 3: public land is public. But to specify who can use

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Speaker 3: do that. But but to your point, you know, considering

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Speaker 3: and I don't see why the sportsmen and women and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the way I think about it is

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Speaker 1: is should the earth persist? I think about generations and

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Speaker 1: Like it feels like it's that important to our culture,

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Speaker 4: It's not just a recreational issue.

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Speaker 3: It's a life, it's it's it's what we've expressed to people.

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Speaker 3: was something you did occasionally, and it's it's we do everything.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's look at this.

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Speaker 2: Room here, it's not playing tennis or golf. No. No, Well, the.

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Speaker 5: Way the way that I think about it is is

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Speaker 5: like a lot of those species, especially game animals, the

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Speaker 5: just not doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they just hadn't done their homework. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's hard. It's hard for me to sit and try

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Speaker 3: to not argue, but educate a specific sector of our

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Speaker 3: population that is not familiar with our lifestyle, and I

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Speaker 3: say our lifestyle as consumer sportsmen, I mean anymore, to

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Speaker 3: a license to be able to go do something. But

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Speaker 3: that's the funding component of the North American model of

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what's been your biggest what is do you have

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Speaker 3: about seventy eight game species in the state of Colorado

438
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Speaker 3: and most other states that can turn around and have

439
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 3: interpretation of that law, and we're fearful that if it passes,

440
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 3: it'll be the catalyst or a preemptive strike from the

441
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 3: opposition to go, well, we got it over here. How

442
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 3: they're going to argue it over here, because there's no

443
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 3: way they can, because we already set the precedent. We

444
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: already made our preemptive strike. The ballot. The election is

445
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Speaker 3: November fifth. If it goes into effect, which we're trying

446
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: diligently to make sure it doesn't, but if it goes

447
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: into effect January first, everything will be banned in the

448
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: state of Colorado when it comes to mountain lions and bobcats.

449
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 3: There's been language within the legislature that we've already defeated

450
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Speaker 3: multiple levels at the Colorida General Assembly and the Colorida

451
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Speaker 3: Parks and Wildlife Commission. But some of those legislators that

452
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: we've defeated previously said on a hot mic that if

453
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Speaker 3: this goes through, it's our opportunity to turn around and

454
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 3: try to do something legislatively as well. And what they've mentioned,

455
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Speaker 3: although there's not been a bill drafted as of yet

456
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: to the best of our knowledge, what they've mentioned is

457
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Speaker 3: maybe we should go after the banning of cow elk

458
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: and doe deer because of the potential orphaning of calves

459
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 3: and fawns, because that language is in this measure about

460
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: how we're orphaning kittens and cubs and mountain lions and bobcats.

461
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: It's a camel nosed under the tent, is what it is.

462
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: And once you explain a lot of these caveats and

463
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: new to the general sportsmen because they think, well, already

464
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: you know gates, already, I already harvested my mountain land,

465
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: or I don't want to harvest a mountainline, or I

466
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 3: don't think you should harvest a mountain land. Whatever they

467
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: might be. These are licensed buying women and men and

468
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 3: women sportsmen. But when you explain and say, just read

469
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 3: this read about the dogs. It doesn't say hounds. It

470
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: talks about electronic collars, tracking devices, gps is. They don't

471
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: want you to use any of it. Those are things

472
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 3: that people don't read into it because they see the title.

473
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Speaker 3: But then they get into the two and a half

474
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: page language in the measure, and it's easily decipherable that

475
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: you could take any one of those things out and

476
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: put it into some other category, just like what those

477
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: legislators are talking about now for Kyle Elkin.

478
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Speaker 2: Do deer.

479
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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to put this into context for myself

480
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Speaker 1: just to understand, because what remains a mystery is how

481
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: to really engage and uh get other people interested in

482
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: stuff that's not directly, directly first hand applicable to them. Uh,

483
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, like like how do we get how do

484
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: we truly unite the sportsmen of America, Guys that will

485
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: never mountain lion hunt in Colorado? How do we get

486
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: them to be you know, engaged in this? And Bear,

487
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here looking at my son Bear Bear, what

488
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: if they what if there was right now a ban

489
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: on hunting squirrels with dogs in Arkansas or or coon

490
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: hunting And here we have built all this and and

491
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: and it's just something we love. And it's like, literally,

492
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Speaker 1: on January first, we may never be able to do

493
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Speaker 1: this again the rest of our life legally. I mean,

494
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: it's like that to me just feels like it just

495
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: culturally it would be a butcher knife to the to

496
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: the lineage of something. And it's just I mean obviously

497
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: that we think that because we love these things, but

498
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I implore all of us to

499
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: like think about like what this would be like, because

500
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean every you look generationally and every generation has

501
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: had stuff taken away, and I mean there's a lot

502
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: of stuff that you could it's it's time just rolls

503
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: by and we don't realize what we've lost.

504
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: But unfortunately that the folks that are hearing this, the

505
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: people that are against it, they this.

506
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Speaker 7: Is not going to We're not to the choir. We're

507
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 7: not going to tell them. But the folks that can

508
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 7: do something are the folks that are hearing this that haven't.

509
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 7: That's where it's got to come from. It's got to

510
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 7: come from. I may be the only guy in here

511
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 7: that plays softball. Nobody else plays softball, but they're fixing

512
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 7: the band softball with all you guys like sports, you

513
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 7: like to watch it, like should I get involved or

514
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 7: should not? Shall I help him out? Because y'all like soccer,

515
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 7: which I'm pretty sure you do, but.

516
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: Weirdough But just by looking at you, just by looking

517
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: at him.

518
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 7: But I mean, it's all the same thing. We all

519
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 7: got to do it. It's like squirrel hunting and in

520
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 7: mountain lion hunting. It's hunting and if they can ban one,

521
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 7: they can get the other. But if all of us

522
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 7: get together, the folks that are listening, like, well, that

523
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 7: really don't affect me because I live in Louisiana and

524
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 7: I'm not going to be able to hunt mountain lines.

525
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 7: Or I live in Arkansas where I live and I'm

526
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 7: not gonna be able to hunt mountain lines. It will

527
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 7: affect you eventually down the road. It's the low hanging

528
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 7: fruit thing. Ye.

529
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: Well, and there's two organizations so cats aren't trophies. Is

530
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: the state organization, it's the State Issues Committee, but it

531
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: was formulated by out of states non residents. But the

532
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: two national organizations that are supportive of this, that are

533
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: both run by former hs US Humane Society of the

534
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: United States Wayne Piselli. The one is Animal Welfare Action,

535
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: which is a five oh one C four, which is

536
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: just like our organization, the Colorado's for Responsible Widlife Management.

537
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: But then the Center Few for a Humane Economy is

538
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: their five oh one C three. Those are based out

539
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: of Maryland. They are they are national, but they went

540
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: to Colorado because the legislative and political landscape is more favorable.

541
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Speaker 1: They're looking for a crack in the armor where they

542
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: can put their tentacles in that they'd come here if

543
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: they could.

544
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and they.

545
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Can probe my five squirrel dogs out of my cold.

546
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: Put that on our T shirt, Stave Ranella. But that's

547
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: the thing. People say, well, who are these people? Well,

548
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: they're all out of staters, they're all non residents because

549
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: they have a favorable landscape in our state to be

550
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: able to turn around and try to move maneuver through

551
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: the minutia and get what they want. People don't realize

552
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: that this is not anything other than a national movement,

553
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: and when you get the former hs US CEO, who

554
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: for a variety of reasons is no longer there with HSUS.

555
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: This is an attack that they can gain ground, gain

556
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: significant relevance, potentially gain a victory, gain some funding, and

557
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: move to the next level. Now is the next level

558
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: in New Mexico, we don't know yet, or is it Iowa,

559
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: or is it Montana. But they have sectors placed in

560
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: every one of these states, building a repertoire up in

561
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: some street cred and they're just trying to figure out

562
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: how they can manipulate it enough to where they get

563
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: a victory and then they turn around and continue moving

564
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: forward and maybe Colorado's again on the shopping block but

565
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: they build strength in numbers and money with the success,

566
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 3: and then they move to the next level.

567
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: Well what gets me is that this is a business.

568
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: And I don't even know specifically about this group, but

569
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: in general, I mean it's not even I mean, there's

570
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: some of these people, these anti hunters that that probably

571
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: truly are passionate and are working from a position that

572
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: they really believe in their mission. I mean, I assume

573
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: a lot of them. But at the same time, it's

574
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: a very profitable business to be in the game of

575
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: being anti hunting. Oh yeah, I mean, it's an incredible

576
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: way to tap into you know, to expel, you know,

577
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: expose a philosophy about and it's just it's so trendy

578
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 1: to be on that bandwagon and to get people's money.

579
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: Well, it's easy for them to do because they lie.

580
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: If you say enough lies, people start to believe it

581
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: because they didn't hear anything else. When it's like in

582
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: our case and in most cases with the State Game

583
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: Management Agency, you know, people are griping and complaining why

584
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: didn't Clorida Parks and Wildlife coming out. It's because they

585
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 3: work at the pleasure of the governor, and the governor

586
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 3: is an animal rights extremists, and he said, don't say anything.

587
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the way most states operate. They're not

588
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: independent entities that they can turn around and just say

589
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: what they want, no matter if they have the facts

590
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: or not. They've got a plethora of different studies that

591
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: have come out, They've got a ton of different information.

592
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: And if you look at the first documents that came

593
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: out ten months ago versus the documents that are out now,

594
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: the agency changed those documents because the governor's office, the

595
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: administration said, cross this, strike this, put this in. Don't

596
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: get rid of the science, but the perception or the

597
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: opinion you can alter that. You don't have those opinions,

598
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: and that's why they forced them to take no position,

599
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: not a neutral position, no position. So there's no pro

600
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: no con no, none of that. And the average person

601
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: doesn't fully understand the manipulation that happens from the top

602
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: to the bottom. And then when you turn around and

603
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: throw in special interest groups and so forth, it makes

604
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: it a lot easier for them to accomplish what they

605
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: want to go go with because they got people on

606
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: their side helping them run the government side of it,

607
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: not color to parks of wildlife. But through the Department

608
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: Announced Resources and through the governor's administration and cabinet. Those

609
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: are how they get so much significant traction because we

610
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: don't have anybody to turn around and say anything unless

611
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: we're going to say it to ourselves or every other

612
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: conservation group is going to do it.

613
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 7: Well, it's Colorado. Were they the perfect storm. We're having

614
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 7: a liberal administration as far as the governor's views on

615
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 7: hunting and the huge influx of people that were.

616
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: Not new people to Colorado.

617
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, they moving into Colorado that had no idea of

618
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 7: the culture or the legacy or his.

619
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're starting to see a little bit of

620
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: a change of that. But Colorado is one hundred percent

621
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: blue state. I mean, you know, we're out numbered in

622
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: the legislature as far as Democrats and Republicans forty nine

623
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: to sixteen in the House and twenty three to twelve

624
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: in the Senate. Every elected office is blue unless it

625
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: happens to be a county commission somewhere. But the governor's

626
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: appointments to different commissions and boards and stuff are ninety

627
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: nine percent. I mean, he might pick somebody that's more pink,

628
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: purple or red on one side, but knowing full well

629
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: they don't have a voice because they're one of ten,

630
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: or they're one of eleven or whatever, and so there's

631
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: a statutory obligation that they have to adhere to. But

632
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: it's gotten to the point where you just look at

633
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: who they pick to make sure they always have the

634
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: balance of power or at least perception. And those are

635
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: things that other states need to recognize. I mean, I've

636
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: got guys at Wyoming and Montana and Idaho going, you know,

637
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 3: it can never happen here. This is what they said

638
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: ten years ago. Now they're looking and going, you know,

639
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 3: we got more Democrats moving into the state than we

640
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: ever thought we would. And if you look at the

641
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: makeup some of those states, it wouldn't take very much

642
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: to change them, just because of the population breakup and

643
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: the dynamics of different states. I mean, Wyoming's got six

644
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty thousand people. Look at representation for the

645
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: state of Wyoming, specific sectors or districts would not be

646
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: hard to change just because of the population makeup. Look

647
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: at the amount of people moving out of Colorado or

648
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: to go across the border to Cheyenne. They're still Democrats.

649
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: They're still more liberally minded, but they got away from

650
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: this because it was just so progressive. But they take

651
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: those ideologies and values into Wyoming, even though they're living

652
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: there and working in the Colorado. It's a hard thing

653
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Speaker 3: that we're going to have to deal with in some

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Speaker 3: capacity nationwide, and I honestly believe that sportsmen and women

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Speaker 3: are up to the task if they pay attention, if

656
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Speaker 3: they understand the intricacies of what it takes to manage

657
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Speaker 3: our wildlife resources and the general public that eighty percent

658
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Speaker 3: in the middle they care deeply about it. They just

659
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Speaker 3: don't know, so they're more likely to check a box

660
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Speaker 3: when it's the wrong box is supposed to be an

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Speaker 3: educated to check the right box.

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Speaker 4: The problem is is that that it feels like the

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Speaker 4: key players in this thing are making decisions based out

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Speaker 4: of preference and opinion, not based on science. No, it's

665
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Speaker 4: because I mean, you think about if you're going to

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Speaker 4: ban predator hunting, what happens to the predators. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's just basic, But that's what they want logic, yeah,

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Speaker 4: they I mean, look at our wolf introduction. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we just put wolves on the ground last December. They

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Speaker 4: voted on it in November of twenty twenty, and it

671
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Speaker 4: was fifty point nine percent that they ended up winning by.

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Speaker 4: I mean it was fifty point nine to forty nine

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Speaker 4: point one. I mean that that's a good math.

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Speaker 3: I'm following you. I was already sitting here math like.

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Speaker 5: That acts and not without a calculator.

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Speaker 3: But no, we we lost that Wolf deal by such

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Speaker 3: a minimal margin. It was something like thirty three thousand

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Speaker 3: votes in the state that's got five point nine million people.

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Speaker 1: So there's some there's some people there that are voting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's a yeah, there's a chunk

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Speaker 1: of people there that.

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Speaker 3: Like this is eighty to twenty or anything. I mean,

683
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Speaker 3: this is this is very very close. But the funny

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Speaker 3: thing that I see, Clay, is if you look at

685
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Speaker 3: most national elections pertaining anything, unless it just happens to

686
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Speaker 3: be so right or so left one way or the other,

687
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of fifty two forty eights and fifty

688
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Speaker 3: three forty seven's and forty nine to fifty one. So

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of that. I mean, we are divided

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Speaker 3: as a country, and it's not because it's republican Democrat.

691
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Speaker 3: It's because it's republican independent, and Democrat and the registered

692
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: Independence are growing substantially because they don't want to be

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Speaker 3: affiliated with the wackos on the left or the idiots

694
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Speaker 3: on the right. They just want to have their own group.

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Speaker 3: But they still lean one way or the other. We

696
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Speaker 3: call them the end the wind crowd. They just blow

697
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: around like packeting peanuts and the windstorm, and they're trying

698
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: to catch up with the catcher's myth. I mean, they

699
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: just listen to the first guy. They just listen to

700
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Speaker 3: the first guy that resonates with them, or they listen

701
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Speaker 3: to the lie after lie after lie after lie because

702
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 3: they don't hear any rebuttals. And when you have game

703
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Speaker 3: management agencies that don't rebut because they're told not to,

704
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Speaker 3: that's hard to realize and justify that. That's science, that's

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Speaker 3: expert data collection. That's twenty five fifty one hundred years

706
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Speaker 3: of compilation of studies and information.

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Speaker 7: It's so easy to find something that you agree with.

708
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Speaker 7: If you don't like a news story, if you don't

709
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 7: like a slant on the news story, change the channel.

710
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 7: Somebody else will tell you the same story, and they'll

711
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 7: tell it the way you want to.

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Speaker 5: Hear it to your point. So I'm sure you've seen

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Speaker 5: it already, but I saw it circulating around. There was

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Speaker 5: a like CBS Colorado and there's a study that came out.

715
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Speaker 5: Have y'all seen this The study that came out that

716
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Speaker 5: said that potentially they're basically saying the premise that study

717
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Speaker 5: was that mountain lion hunting was excelling the spread of

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Speaker 5: CWD in Colorado.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that just came out, and that's and actually

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Speaker 3: that study was done by the Animal Welfare Action and

721
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Speaker 3: the Center for a Humane Economy. By the by the.

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Speaker 7: Two groups explained what were the findings of the I mean.

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Speaker 5: So CWD and it's so basically it was like if

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Speaker 5: you kill mountain lions, mountain lions are predatory animals, and

725
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Speaker 5: so you're taking out predators, so they're killing less of

726
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Speaker 5: your elk and deer and so it's.

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Speaker 1: It's a legitimate scientific stuff that.

728
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Speaker 3: Was done by those two groups that are that are

729
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Speaker 3: running this catch trophy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So my question was, is, like, I know, the research

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Speaker 5: I had done, is there's been a regular, you know,

733
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Speaker 5: a regulated mountain lion hunt in Colorado since like nineteen

734
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Speaker 5: sixty five, Yes, it was. Is the population since then grown?

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Speaker 5: Is it stays thirty thirty times, so it's grown thirty times.

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Speaker 5: So it was regulated, honey. So the point is like,

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Speaker 5: how in the world is it excelling the spread of

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Speaker 5: CWD if the population of mountain lions is grown?

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Speaker 2: What you bring common sense into the sargeant? How dare

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Speaker 2: you like? Well?

741
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Speaker 3: And I think that that's you know that that you'

742
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Speaker 3: And that's one of our our biggest concerns. As you

743
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: start to see more and more lies and shell games

744
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: and smoking mirrors and I and I see it in

745
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Speaker 3: other states as well. And I'm sitting there going to somebody.

746
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Speaker 3: Somebody needs to turn around and come up with something,

747
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Speaker 3: but they're not on the ballot.

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Speaker 1: We need our own lies, Dan, Yeah.

749
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Speaker 3: We got to get that's your job. You start seeing.

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Speaker 4: Stuff, fight lies with lies.

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Speaker 2: Dan.

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Speaker 5: I want to ask you a question earlier when you

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Speaker 5: were talking you refer to you basical said that the

754
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Speaker 5: eighty percent left of the general public that's more likely

755
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Speaker 5: to check no than yes. Why do you think that

756
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Speaker 5: that is? Why do you think that they're more tending

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Speaker 5: to go the wrong direction of what you're.

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Speaker 3: Wanting a lot of times historically on when ballots come

759
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Speaker 3: up and there's either too much on the ballot, too

760
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Speaker 3: much information for the one person to decipher. They either

761
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Speaker 3: check the wrong box because they assume that that's the

762
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Speaker 3: right way. They have to have some time to be

763
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Speaker 3: able to educate themselves and to check the right box,

764
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Speaker 3: which in our case would be to vote no, not

765
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Speaker 3: vote yes. Most of those people don't do their homework

766
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Speaker 3: until they open up the ballot and they go yes, no, yes, oh, Trump, Biden, Harris, whatever,

767
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Speaker 3: and they jump on the key phrases, the stuff that

768
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Speaker 3: they haven't paid attention to. They just don't pay attention to.

769
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Speaker 3: And I think that that's a detriment to us. Is

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Speaker 3: a you know, a republic, a democracy that is available

771
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Speaker 3: to us to be able to turn around and say

772
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Speaker 3: we're going to vote, and we're going to vote the

773
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Speaker 3: right way. The blue Book the last language of the

774
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Speaker 3: blue Book, which is I think in Arkansas's ProAb of

775
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Speaker 3: the same way, but you get a book that explains

776
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Speaker 3: all the measures or the judges or the ballot. We

777
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Speaker 3: just went through the final draft of the blue Book

778
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: last week and that was sent to the Secretary of

779
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Speaker 3: State through the Legislative Council Legislative Draft analysis. The language

780
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Speaker 3: that's in there is available to anybody to read. But

781
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Speaker 3: it's a two and a half page synopsis for the

782
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Speaker 3: general public to be able to decipher about this specific measure.

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Speaker 3: Two and a half pages.

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Speaker 1: Five percent of people are going to read that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if not less exactly.

786
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Speaker 3: And so when you're looking at states, and that's a

787
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: great point, Clay, when you when you look at states

788
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Speaker 3: that are fifty one to forty nine or fifty three

789
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Speaker 3: to forty seven, that five percent that you give them

790
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Speaker 3: the facts that they really want to sit down and

791
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: get into the nut cutting on stuff and make sure

792
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 3: that they know exactly why and how to do it.

793
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Speaker 3: Those are the five percent that we're really concerned about

794
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 3: because they could sway this half a point or a

795
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: whole point one way or the other. That they just

796
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Speaker 3: educate themselves and look at the facts.

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Speaker 7: When you only got thirty three thousand and I had

798
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Speaker 7: a five million plus voting too, I mean there's and

799
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Speaker 7: there is a sea of folks to educate your.

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Speaker 3: Well, and we've had we've had a tremendous amount of

801
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Speaker 3: people because of the Wolf deal. And one thing that's

802
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: going in our favor, even with all the lives and

803
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 3: the fallacies and falsehoods out there. There's a significant amount

804
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 3: of buyer's remorse on what they did on the wolf deal.

805
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: Everybody thought that, oh, it'd be cool to hear a wolf.

806
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: I heard a wolf and Yellowstone. I didn't know it

807
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: was going to be on my back porch and eat

808
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,479
Speaker 3: my neighbor's calves. But yeah, so they turn around and voted,

809
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 3: but they didn't vote very much fifty point nine percent.

810
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: And so there's a certain amount of buyer's remorse because

811
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Speaker 3: wolves are in the news every single day in Colorado,

812
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: that they're creating more depredation, they're creating more instances of havoc.

813
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Speaker 3: CPW can't do what they want to do at this

814
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Speaker 3: point in time. They can't talk about it unless it

815
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Speaker 3: happens to be able the science that the governor who's

816
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: agreed with with the governor's spouse, the first gentleman. They

817
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: can't they can't do what they need to do to

818
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: get the point out. I mean, CBW didn't want wolves.

819
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Speaker 3: It's just that the voters voted on wolves, and CPW

820
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: has to uphold the law what the voters want, and

821
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Speaker 3: then the governor helps accentuate and enhance that position. But

822
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Speaker 3: the buyer's remorse is another component on top of that

823
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Speaker 3: five percent to read the blue book that you look

824
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Speaker 3: at and go, well, if you get a tenth of

825
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 3: these guys and two tents of those guys, and maybe

826
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Speaker 3: we actually make a point and get two tents of

827
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Speaker 3: these guys. Pretty soon we're to present ourselves and the

828
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Speaker 3: voters of people. The people of Colorado would have spoken

829
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Speaker 3: at that point in time, because that's all we've heard

830
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: for the last four years. The people have spoken, and

831
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Speaker 3: it's like, you know, not all of them did.

832
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Speaker 7: And what.

833
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Speaker 1: Can we what would be a meaningful thing that people

834
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: can do? Because all this stuff I think part of

835
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: the gap between action and inaction with people that aren't

836
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Speaker 1: in Colorado. Like if I lived in Colorado, I know

837
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Speaker 1: what I could do. I could vote right, I could

838
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 1: talk to my friends. Yep, we can't vote there. What

839
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Speaker 1: is really meaningful that we could do?

840
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Speaker 3: I think the thing that we're trying to do. And

841
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: I've been working with Charles and Mike at how for

842
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: a Wildlife. You know, I've been on this is my

843
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: seventy second, seventy sixth podcast since January first, and you

844
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: guys have allowed me to come on twice. I was

845
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: on Metiater guys twice the message. The reason that we're

846
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: talking to the choir to the general public, sportsmen and women,

847
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: is because it's coming to your state. We need your

848
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: help to help defeat it there. And to do that,

849
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: the biggest thing people can do is to get online

850
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: and share the message. You know, when we get something

851
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: that Cameron Haynes comes to our event and does something

852
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: and there's one hundred and eight thousand people that watch

853
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: it in three days, and there's twenty seven people that

854
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: share it. But the message that he said, they all

855
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: listened to it, but they didn't expand it out. We

856
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: have the power of social media before us to be

857
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: able to get people to understand this isn't about Colorado,

858
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: not just about mountain lines and Bobcats. I don't know

859
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: anybody body in the country has been dumb enough the

860
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: last ten months to turn around and run around and

861
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: try to dedicate their life to podcasts. I mean, or really,

862
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: that's my son. I've got better things to do because

863
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: of our business. But we needed to be able to

864
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: get the message. We need to be able to feed

865
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Speaker 3: off of everybody else's coattails, and we need the help

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Speaker 3: to be able to expand that message, because I would

867
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Speaker 3: venture to say that there's a large percentage of every

868
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 3: one of those podcast listeners that either hunt or apply

869
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: to hunt in the state of Colorado. So you've got

870
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: skin in the game. What are you going to do?

871
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: You can You probably know people in Colorado, just like

872
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: you're talking about Johnny Hamilton, which all asked Johnny to

873
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: give me a plug when he comes on sometime. But

874
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: there's an opportunity there to continue message building, continue ambassadorship,

875
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: to make sure that we are part of the solution

876
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: and not part of the problem. If you ignore it,

877
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: I don't care if you're an Arkansas or Michigan or Maryland.

878
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: If you ignore it, you're part of the problem. And

879
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: the more states that they knock off for, the more

880
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: groups that they knock off for, the more individuals that

881
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: they get to be done trodden and just say I'm

882
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: not doing it anymore. Pretty soon our rank and file

883
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: on our forces become smaller and smaller and smaller. We

884
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: have a message capability in our social media outreach and

885
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 3: the branding that we've got and the visualization and the

886
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: optics that we've created in a hunting and fishing community

887
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 3: to build something that is the most epic, monumental anti

888
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: anti hunting component you could possibly get, but we don't

889
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: do it very well. A lot of people want to

890
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 3: grip in grand they want to show their white tail,

891
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 3: they want to show their big fish. People share that

892
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: all over the place. If I was a really good

893
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: looking that nineteen year old girl and had peanut butter

894
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: in my belly button, the dog was looking it out,

895
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: there'd be nine million people sharing that damn thing. But

896
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: they're not going to do it for me. But they're

897
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: not going to do it with me because I'm an

898
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: old white guy who's trying to profess about hunting, trapping,

899
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: heritage tradition, and it's the livelihood of what we all

900
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: believe in. But it's a lot harder for somebody to

901
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: turn around to make a comment or to share on

902
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,959
Speaker 3: top of that the biggest trials and tribulations that we've had,

903
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: even though it's been monumental as fundraising, you have to

904
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 3: be able to fight the antis lies dollar for dollar,

905
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: punch for punch, and tit for tat, And to be

906
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: able to do that, people have come out of the woodwork.

907
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I told you guys in June fifty States

908
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: We've gotten contributions and donations from We've got organizations and

909
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: entities and businesses that are building up either T shirt

910
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: sales or knife sales. You saw the thing that outdoor

911
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 3: EDGs did for us. I mean, I mean they sold out.

912
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: They're reordering because the general public said I want to

913
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: do that. Now they get a knife in return for it.

914
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 3: But they can be part of the solution as opposed

915
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 3: to be part of the problem. If you know people

916
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: in Colorado, talk to them, because there's a we got

917
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: five point nine million people in the state of Colorado,

918
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 3: eighty four million annual visitors. The majority of people that

919
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: are listening to this have been or know somebody in Colorado,

920
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: or they hunt, are they vacation, or they do business,

921
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: or they have a second home, or they ski. Even

922
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: though you can't vote somewhere, do a little bit of

923
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 3: effort and just say, hey, Joe, you live in Longmont,

924
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: what do you think about this mount?

925
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know some people. I know some people. I'll

926
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: tell them, yeah, I mean, but.

927
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: It's are there any Are there any scheduled events coming

928
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: up this fall, like public events.

929
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 3: The biggest ones we've got actually coming up this week,

930
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: and it'll be it'll be I guess a week and

931
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 3: a half or two weeks before this actually airs. Where's

932
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: where in Denver and Robbie Kroger with Blood Orgs is

933
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: premiering the Lionheart documentary about hound hunting, and that's at

934
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: the Paramount Theater in downtown Denver.

935
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: Really yeah and tell yeah, tell us about that.

936
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that so that, So that would be a

937
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: couple couple of days a week before this actually airs.

938
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 2: Shoot.

939
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's something. Those are the type of

940
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: things Robbie went out on a limb, turns around and

941
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: gets the Paramount Theater has twelve or fifteen hundred tickets available.

942
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: That's a red carpet deal. The media is supposed to

943
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: be there. They're feeding Wild Game as a as like

944
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: an order of deal, and there's going to be some

945
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: silent bus and stuff. But that shows part of what

946
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm trying to talk about as far as.

947
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: We should go to that brand.

948
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah for real.

949
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 3: I like Robbie, it's a community building and messaging and

950
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: ambassadorship to say it's not my fight unless it's your fight.

951
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 3: And if it's your fight, it better darncher be your

952
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: fight and be your fight because they're going to do it.

953
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: It's some look. They're going after lead weights on fishing,

954
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: they're going after lead shot on shotguns. They're going after

955
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: pinned bird hunts. For training your dogs. They're trying to

956
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 3: get you not to be able to use tools to

957
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: train your dogs. They're trying to get you to be

958
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what it is. It's just that whatever

959
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 3: they can get at whatever level they find the weakest

960
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 3: chink in the armor in any single state, in any

961
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: single level, that's what they go after. And that's the

962
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: hardest thing to get people to understand is just step up.

963
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 3: Just do something. Write a letter. If you read an

964
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: op ed instead of turning around in which people get

965
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 3: like you was talking about the New York Times, the

966
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal. People see something and they don't agree

967
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: with it. Just try john a note to the editor

968
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: instead of saying did you see that? And they talk

969
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: about it for twenty, you know, twenty minutes or ten

970
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 3: different people. Just jot a note down. See if you're

971
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: going to do this, you know, very unbiased. Make sure

972
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: you cover both sides of the story, and you don't

973
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: take a study from the people who are trying to

974
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 3: take away the hunting who are who's that's the team

975
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: of the study. There's there's tools available to us, and

976
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: I don't think that we've done a very good job

977
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: even though we've got the tools available now.

978
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: What has happened though, has been pretty remarkable. Yeah, with

979
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: the support that you guys have had, led by you

980
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: one hundred percent and others too. But I mean, I

981
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: think this is the first time in the last last

982
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: decade at least, that I've seen the eyes of the

983
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: hunting community really pop open about a predator issue, which

984
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 1: I think is incredible, at least at this level.

985
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: Do you agree with Yeah, it's it's something to where

986
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: you know, I mentioned the guys at Howl for Wildlife

987
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 3: and when I when I and a friend of mine

988
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: started this organization CROWM in twenty sixteen, we did it

989
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 3: with the idea that we were probably going to get

990
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 3: a very unfavorable gubernatorial administration in twenty eighteen, just the

991
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: way the makeup of the land was. We didn't know

992
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: we were going to get you know, the anti the

993
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 3: anti hunter supreme. But starting starting preemptively at that point

994
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: in time is the only thing that got us to

995
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 3: the level to where we can be today. And seeing

996
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: the support and seeing the outreach and seeing the messaging

997
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: and seeing the funding and seeing what people are trying

998
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 3: to do at every single level. It's inspirational. It's admirable.

999
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: I mean, and I know that we're carrying a lot

1000
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: of the heat on that, but I mean still, you've

1001
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 3: got to be able to motivate people to be able

1002
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: to turn around and do it well enough. And I

1003
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: don't care if it's a hounds organization in Ohio or

1004
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 3: Michigan or somebody in Arizona or in California. They're all contributing.

1005
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: I don't care if it's a trappers association where they're at.

1006
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 3: I don't care if it's a bow hunter association, fishing associations,

1007
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 3: individual businesses, you know, tackle shops, kids would lemonade stands.

1008
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, there's not an exaggeration, but ninety

1009
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: eight hundred individual contributions this year, not counting what we

1010
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 3: did latter part of last year and September through December.

1011
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a lot, especially when you start talking

1012
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: some of those are one hundred thousand dollars and some

1013
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: of them are twenty dollars. It takes millions of dollars

1014
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: to fight extremism. You can't do it cheap, and you

1015
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: darn sure can't do it on a presidential election year

1016
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: when everybody else is buying this for fifty dollars and normally,

1017
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: well you could buy it for twenty five. Now it

1018
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: cost you one hundred and fifty because of the political scale,

1019
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: and so it cost you more money to be able

1020
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 3: to do it. But the more negativity And you mentioned CBS,

1021
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: so a CBS in Denver that covered it on that

1022
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: study with a chronic waste and disease, they won't sell

1023
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: the advertising that we need unless it's at a very

1024
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: higher premium because the yep, because they see election exactly.

1025
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1026
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 3: So there's there's so many moving parts of this whole thing, Clay,

1027
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: that that the average guy doesn't understand because it's not

1028
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: in their wheelhouse.

1029
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: I mean, just like you were talking about, you know, softball.

1030
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: Harris and Trump both wanted to be here today and

1031
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: I told them no because we only had six hook

1032
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: upside on this one.

1033
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: He won't let anybody else sit on his saddle.

1034
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: We put either one of them right there. Do you

1035
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: have any questions?

1036
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 6: Do you do?

1037
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 7: So?

1038
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 6: What do they need for the mountain lion Man to

1039
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 6: go into effect? Is it votes or signatures?

1040
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 3: They need votes At this point in time, they turned

1041
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 3: in the appropriate amount of signatures, even with our decline

1042
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: to sign campaign. But they turned into the signatures July third,

1043
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 3: they were certified on July thirtieth, and now we've been

1044
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: in that weight game of waiting for a number to

1045
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 3: come up. And so it's going to be on the ballot.

1046
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: We just don't know exactly what number. And by the

1047
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 3: time that this podcast airs will probably have an idea,

1048
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 3: if not no specifically what ballot number it is.

1049
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 6: Okay, so what are like, how many do you have

1050
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 6: an idea of how many votes they would need for

1051
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 6: it to go into effect.

1052
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 3: Well, depends on the registered voters. But if you go

1053
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 3: anything off the Wolf deal from twenty twenty, you figure

1054
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 3: that I mean, you're fighting for you're fighting for hair

1055
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: on the on somebody's chin at this point in time,

1056
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: or maybe hair on their head, depending on you in

1057
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: your case, but you you're fighting for very few follicles

1058
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: of hair. Because when you start talking about thirty three

1059
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,959
Speaker 3: thousand out of five point nine million with four point

1060
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 3: one million registered voters, it doesn't take long to say

1061
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 3: this is not insurmountable. Yeah, it's just that you have

1062
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: to have the people show up. And we've heard stories

1063
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 3: from around the country, not just in Colorado, but two thousand,

1064
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 3: for instance, that two thousand and twenty twenty two, from

1065
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,959
Speaker 3: two thousand to twenty twenty, that the sportsmen and women

1066
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 3: vote has declined almost fifteen percent. That's not because they've declined,

1067
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: it's just that they opted not to pull the trigger.

1068
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: They opted not to vote. So from twenty twenty to

1069
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 3: twenty two that stayed pretty close. If we have fifteen

1070
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: percent of the sportsmen and women in the country that

1071
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: are really not voting at all because they don't think

1072
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 3: it's worth it, well, how does that, especially when you're

1073
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 3: losing by a half a percent or a percent, If

1074
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 3: you get those fifteen percent just to show up, even

1075
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: if they didn't all vote the same way, because they'd

1076
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 3: all see the same thing.

1077
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: A call.

1078
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 7: When you call somebody to action, they say, especially digitally,

1079
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 7: you go past one or two pokes with your finger

1080
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 7: and you've lost everybody. Yep, they're not going to go

1081
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 7: beyond that. I'm talking to everybody out there and everybody

1082
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 7: in this room except Dan, because I know you're going

1083
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 7: to do it. But we got to just decide we're

1084
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 7: going to put in the effort and take this thing

1085
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 7: back because it's laying there.

1086
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: We could do it.

1087
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 7: It could be an absolute overwhelming smash by our side

1088
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 7: to take this back, if enough folks would just take

1089
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 7: get the gumption to get up off the couch and

1090
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 7: get it done, take the initiative.

1091
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 3: I had more people in twenty twenty that have told

1092
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 3: me since then that they didn't vote in twenty twenty. Ranchers, farmers, outfitters.

1093
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 3: You got to stop and think about two things that

1094
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 3: our side doesn't think about often. And November fifth is

1095
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: right in the middle hunting season. It's right middle of

1096
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: shipping season for cattle. It's getting out of high country

1097
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: and going to the low country, and it's getting ready

1098
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: for winter. And it's too it And I had and

1099
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: in Colorado, you don't go to the pole. It's a

1100
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 3: mail end ballot. It's sent to you. All you got

1101
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 3: to do is fill it out and put it in.

1102
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 3: You don't have to drop it off anywhere. It doesn't

1103
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: cost you anything to be able to turn around to

1104
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: do it. But I had many many people since that

1105
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 3: time that said, yeah, if I know it was going

1106
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 3: to be that close, I would have voted, and you

1107
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: know how hard it is for me not to turn

1108
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 3: around and grab somebody by the neck. And but you

1109
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: hear that over and over and over, and you're thinking,

1110
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 3: if that's just the people I'm hearing it from, how

1111
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 3: many people actually didn't do it? Because I'm not talking

1112
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 3: to everybody, but I understand how busy people can get

1113
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 3: or I forgot or I just didn't get to it,

1114
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 3: or I was waiting for my wife to bring it out,

1115
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 3: or we were going to sit at the table and

1116
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: then something came up. I tell you what. Those are

1117
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: the things that the opposition, the extremists are capitalizing on

1118
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 3: because they know that we're not as concerned about it

1119
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: as as what we allude and we're not going to

1120
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: turn around and step out and gripe and complained about

1121
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 3: it until it's done it over with.

1122
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 5: So going into this one at this point, just talking

1123
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 5: about you know, the residents of Colorado, do you how

1124
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 5: do you feel about it? I mean, do you are

1125
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 5: you seeing still some apathy? Do you think they're motivated?

1126
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 5: What are you feeling around home?

1127
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you some statistics you because I

1128
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 3: like statistics. But I'll tell you back and back in

1129
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, the first pole that came out on the

1130
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: Wolf issue, there was a sixty eight percent favorability rating

1131
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: that the Wolf issue was going to pass by the

1132
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: time that the company that we've hired now actually went

1133
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 3: through the trials and tribulations of that whole campaign with

1134
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 3: their poles and everything, and they finally went to the ballot,

1135
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 3: they knocked off seventeen points, so it went from sixty

1136
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 3: eight percent to fifty one percent, and that's exactly where

1137
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 3: it ended up as fifty point nine. The biggest problem

1138
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: is they didn't have enough money from the sportsman community

1139
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: and that were agriculture community descend it across the finish line.

1140
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 3: They just ran out of money. We've raised three and

1141
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: a half times more money to date than both of

1142
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: those anti wolf campaigns did combine in the entire time

1143
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 3: that they were doing stuff. That's a giant win for us.

1144
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: But if you remember sixty eight percent to start with

1145
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: on that pole, the pole that we did on this

1146
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 3: last November when we started this campaign was fifty four

1147
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: percent favorability rating, fourteen points different than what the Wolf

1148
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 3: deal first came out at the poll that we got

1149
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 3: back two weeks ago indicated that it's forty five four

1150
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: forty four against and twelve points undecided. That's a that's

1151
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 3: a major hit on the opposition. It's a major gain

1152
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 3: on our part because there's so that twelve percent is

1153
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 3: what we're looking at right now. We know that there's

1154
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 3: forty five to forty four. We're looking at that twelve,

1155
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 3: but we don't we don't need all twelve. We need.

1156
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: All we need is seven of the twelve, and so

1157
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 3: that's more math.

1158
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: Just you know, you guys are killing all.

1159
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 3: Right, I'll mess up somewhere.

1160
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: Do you think about me and Brent on the freeway

1161
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: in Denver with big.

1162
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 4: Signs, sandwich boards on the street.

1163
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 3: I'll get I'll get you a room. You tell me

1164
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: when you want to be there.

1165
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: Dude, we should do a live podcast from the freeway

1166
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: the state capitol holding our signs, I.

1167
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 3: Mean live Mountain Lion on a chain. Brent's kind that

1168
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 3: sign around like, yeah, yeah, we should have we should

1169
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 3: have had.

1170
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: Mountain Lion hide laid out here. Yeah yeah.

1171
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 3: We just we need as much help as we can

1172
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 3: get from people that don't think that they can do anything,

1173
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 3: and just because you don't vote in Colorado, and is.

1174
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: It not it's not too late. This is coming out

1175
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: in September night, Like these last two months are really.

1176
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: Critical actually because we haven't had a number that's being

1177
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 3: given to us. You can't tell people to vote knowing

1178
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 3: whatever it is, because we don't have a number, even

1179
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 3: though people are still using the ninety one. It was

1180
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: Initiative ninety one. But once it becomes a proposition, that

1181
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 3: number will change. So that's why you haven't seen any

1182
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: direct advertising, subliminal message in on our part, you know,

1183
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 3: don't allow the hunting band to happen. Make sure you

1184
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 3: support you know, science based wildlife management and the North

1185
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 3: American model. But that's still for the most part, talking

1186
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 3: to our audience. Once they start seeing the negative and

1187
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 3: the display of the lives and the falsehoods from the opposition,

1188
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 3: and then we come up with the science based stuff

1189
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,959
Speaker 3: and you know, the lions attacking dogs and the lions

1190
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: attacking people, and the lions decimating deer and elk populations

1191
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: and not just taking the sick CWD deer out. Oh

1192
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 3: you know, I mean it's like they just pick them out.

1193
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: I mean it's like it's like that one right there,

1194
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 3: let me swap your nose. I mean, you know, and

1195
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 3: I always I always wonder, I said, and of course

1196
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm in so darned many meetings anymore, but I always

1197
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: wonder that that what if they what if they run

1198
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: out of chronic waste of disease deer, I mean, what

1199
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 3: they don't eat?

1200
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: No, then they're eating toddlers.

1201
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean you know, I think.

1202
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: Uh a point that's just as strong. And again we're

1203
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: preaching to the choir. But but I think about this

1204
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: with with predator hunting issues, is that like, yeah, you

1205
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: can make a case of all the negative stuff that

1206
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: lions are doing, you know, predating upond livestock and all

1207
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: this different stuff. But to me, the most positive argument

1208
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: is that we've been hunting them pretty hard for fifty

1209
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: sixty years and the populations are still very strong. So

1210
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: the the you know, sport hunting is really pretty inconsequential

1211
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, thriving mountain lion populations. Now, I mean,

1212
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: would you agree.

1213
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 3: With that, well, yeah, one hundred percent, because when when

1214
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 3: if you listen to some of the oppositions spokespeople, if

1215
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 3: we keep and I've got recordings of it, it's on

1216
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 3: some of our social media stuff. If we keep hunting

1217
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 3: mountain lands at this rate, they're going to become extinct. Okay, well,

1218
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: we've been hunting that at this rate since the last

1219
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: fifty five sixty years and we've we've increased our populations thirty.

1220
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: Fold, and so so that's the message.

1221
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we ain't keeping in check or dumb people.

1222
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 3: Well then okay, you don't want to come to Colorado

1223
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 3: with a sign, then we're just we're we're up against

1224
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 3: the wall. To the point of the last sixty five

1225
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 3: seventy five days of this campaign, that's when it's really

1226
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 3: going to get into the weeds. You're going to see

1227
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 3: a lot of name calling from both sides, and you're

1228
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 3: going to see a lot of facts from our side,

1229
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 3: a lot of data from our side, a lot of

1230
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 3: criticism from our side, and just lies in fallacies and

1231
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 3: falsehoods from the opposition. That's just that's the way they play,

1232
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 3: and they play it. It doesn't matter whether you want

1233
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 3: to talk about raccoon hunting in Pennsylvania or you want

1234
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 3: to talk about coops deer hunting in Arizona. That's the

1235
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 3: way they play. Every single level of it. It's and

1236
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 3: they always come out with something that is more sensationalized

1237
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 3: than the last time that they did it, because they

1238
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 3: realize that their supporter is the one that turns around,

1239
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 3: doesn't know, has no clue whatsoever. And as I've often said,

1240
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: if you've got ten percent on the top that support

1241
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 3: hunting avid hunters, and you've got ten percent that are

1242
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 3: avid anti extremists, you don't need to convince that eighty percent.

1243
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 3: You need to convince forty one of that eighty that's it,

1244
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 3: because you're just trying to get to fifty one. It's

1245
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: fifty plus one or fifty point, you know, fifty plus

1246
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 3: point one or whatever. The average person doesn't understand just

1247
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 3: the intricacies of wildlife management. And I don't know what

1248
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 3: you got in Arkansas, but in Colorado we've got nine

1249
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty one species of wildlife and seventy eight

1250
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 3: of those are game species. Those are so well appropriately managed.

1251
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 3: And have been saying that again, nine hundred and sixty

1252
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 3: one species of wildlife and seventy eight game species. Now

1253
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 3: that's that's toads and salamanders, everything, that's seventy eight game species.

1254
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 3: So you figured, you know, ducks and squirrels and fur

1255
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 3: bearing animals and big game in small game, and all

1256
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 3: the stuff that's combined. Seventy eight of those species, the

1257
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 3: licenses and the permits that go along with them, pay

1258
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 3: for the management of nine hundred and sixty one other species,

1259
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 3: including the flipping wolf. I mean, you know, yeah, I'm

1260
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: trying to be politically, is okay?

1261
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I think, I think and this is

1262
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: kind of a broader appeal, which I think is a

1263
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: narrative that's stronger now in the hunting community that it's

1264
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: ever been. But there is a real need for for

1265
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: hunters to be evangelical in a sense of just like

1266
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: think about if if if every hunter was sharing wild

1267
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: game with their non hunting friends and neighbors that wanted meat,

1268
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: and and all of a sudden, these eight or ten

1269
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: people have a totally different opinion about hunters than they

1270
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: ever had before when they when they understand that their

1271
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: neighbor is a hunter and how they're using this meat

1272
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: and how how wonderful it is, and uh, you know,

1273
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: there's there's groups of people today, groups of hunters today

1274
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: that talk about how that you know this, uh you

1275
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: know that we shouldn't be trying to spread hunting. We

1276
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't be trying to to grow the hunting community. We're

1277
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: putting excess, excess stress on the resource and stuff. And

1278
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: I just think it's just so that is a perfect

1279
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: way for hunting to be dead in a generation. Oh yeah,

1280
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: it's it's for us to all to you know, to

1281
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: hunt quietly.

1282
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 3: And and.

1283
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: I just I respect the passion that that group has.

1284
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: I just think it's dead wrong. And I and I

1285
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: think about like even in the future as we continue,

1286
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: and this won't go away. I mean, like if we

1287
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: beat this, it's like the next thing is going to

1288
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: come around. It's like this, this is a way of life.

1289
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: If we want to maintain this way of life in

1290
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: North America, we have to build a fighting culture.

1291
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: You know.

1292
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: When I first got into the national bear hunting scene

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Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, uh, growing up in a in a

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Speaker 1: state that's very favorable to hunting and rural culture and living. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I was exposed to the Michigan Bear Hunters Association of

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Speaker 1: the Michigan and went up there and did a film

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Speaker 1: with them, Like I made a film for them, and man,

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Speaker 1: they raise their whole just inside their hunting culture. If

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Speaker 1: you're a bear hunter, you're politically politically active, and you're

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Speaker 1: a fighter. Like that, those two things go hand in hand.

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Speaker 1: You're you're a member. There's multiple great bear hunting organizations

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Speaker 1: up there, and uh, it's just part of the culture.

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Speaker 1: I mean, their kids grow up knowing that, Yep, we're

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Speaker 1: bear hunters, we're members of the association, we go to

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Speaker 1: the banquet, we vote, and uh, that has to become

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Speaker 1: something that's stronger everywhere, not just in places, and in

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Speaker 1: Michigan specifically, it's a you know, they have a referendum

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Speaker 1: government where you can just with the amount of signatures,

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Speaker 1: like Colorado, you can get stuff on the ballot. That's

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Speaker 1: not an every state. And they just know that they

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Speaker 1: have to fight, they have to raise money and so powerful.

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Speaker 1: And I just think about how just as we continue

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Speaker 1: to go forward, you know, we just have to be

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Speaker 1: and I think evangelical is the right word, stealing that

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Speaker 1: term from you know, like in a religious sense.

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Speaker 3: But you also have to be you also have to

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Speaker 3: be meticulously calculated on how you do that. And I

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Speaker 3: say that because from twenty nineteen, twenty and twenty one,

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Speaker 3: we beat these attempts to take away the pursuit and

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Speaker 3: the harvest of these animals through the Colorida Parks and

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Speaker 3: Wildlife Commission. We beat them unanimously with this Governor's Commission,

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Speaker 3: and in twenty twenty two they went to the General

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Speaker 3: Assembly for the voter for the legislature to turn around

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Speaker 3: and vote on it, and we beat them there. So

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Speaker 3: we beat them in all forms of government. This is now.

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Speaker 3: They didn't like the former government side, so now they

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Speaker 3: turn around and go to the general public side, thinking

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Speaker 3: that they can, you know, be fuddle and blindfold the

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Speaker 3: general public to override two different entities of the government government,

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Speaker 3: one from the governor's particular appointments and one from a

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Speaker 3: very democratic blue side of the legislature. If you're out

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Speaker 3: numbered with those colors twenty three to twelve in the

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Speaker 3: Senate and forty nine to sixteen like I mentioned, and

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Speaker 3: you still win four to one in the committee, you

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Speaker 3: won with those Democrats, and then at the commission you

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01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 3: beat them eleven zero eleven to zero eleven zero. They

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01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 3: didn't like those things, so now they're turn around and

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Speaker 3: going this way. That's part of the fight that the

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01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 3: general public needs to be aware of because in twenty

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Speaker 3: six states where you do have the ballot initiative capabilities

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Speaker 3: like what we have in Colorado, and some of that's good.

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Speaker 3: It just that there has to be some sideboards and

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01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 3: blinders put on it. But you can't have you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't want the general public voting on brain surgery.

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 3: I don't want them, you know, I just you know,

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Speaker 3: I just don't think that that would be a good idea.

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Speaker 3: And we're talking about science, and to me, wild life

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01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 3: management is just like brain serve. You have to have experts.

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Speaker 3: And we've got three hundred and fifty bonified scientists out

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01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 3: of twelve hundred employees in our Game and Fish parts

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Speaker 3: of wallet department. Three hundred and fifty scientists, not some

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01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 3: lunatics that just turn around and did a study for

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Speaker 3: the Animal Action Institute or Animal Wellness Action and the

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Speaker 3: Center for Humane Economy. We can all commit if we're

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Speaker 3: going to do that, we can all sit around here

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Speaker 3: and do a report and study on our own and

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Speaker 3: then turn around and release that and we should be

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Speaker 3: the experts on it. Well maybe we would be, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that's the case. When we're turned

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Speaker 3: around and trying to take things away, and I think

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Speaker 3: that that shows that shows the deceit and the lives

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Speaker 3: of the opposition. We don't like the experts that are

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Speaker 3: doing this stuff, so we're just going to turn around

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Speaker 3: and come up with our own stuff. Although we have

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Speaker 3: no backing, no money, no science to turn around and

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Speaker 3: do it. We just say it.

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Speaker 2: We just come up with a bunch of stuff and

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Speaker 2: say it.

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Speaker 1: Then, should people give money to the Colorado's for responsible

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Speaker 1: wildlife management?

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Speaker 3: You've got two options that they can do it. And

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Speaker 3: because in Colorado you have to have an issues committee formulated,

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Speaker 3: which we've done. The issues committee which is actually running

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Speaker 3: the grassroots part of the campaign is Colorado Wildlife Deserve Better.

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Speaker 3: They can go to Wildlife Deserve beetter dot com. They

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Speaker 3: can donate there while Life Deserve Better dot com. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And then if they don't want to do that, and

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01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 3: they're already used to doing the save the Hunt side

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 3: of things for the Colorado It's responsible wildlife management, then

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Speaker 3: they can go to Save the Hunt Colorado dot com

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Speaker 3: and donate there.

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Speaker 1: Now you said the other one first, is the other

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Speaker 1: one better?

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Speaker 3: The other one, the other one is the one that

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Speaker 3: has to do every single thing over the next seventy

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Speaker 3: five days. The crowm save the hunt is the one

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Speaker 3: that supports and creates all the working nuances. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's the one that paid for me to turn around

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Speaker 3: and come here. That's the one that turn around and

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Speaker 3: does the outside messaging primarily to the stakeholder, to talking

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Speaker 3: to the choir. The Wildlife Deserve Better is the one

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Speaker 3: that we have to have to be able to talk.

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Speaker 1: To the That's where we want to direct people to

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Speaker 1: go Life Deserve Better. Wildlife Deserve Better dot com. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: Wildlife Deserve Better dot com.

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Speaker 3: Man go in.

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Speaker 7: First person that sends me proof they donated one thousand dollars,

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Speaker 7: what are you gonna do for them?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna send them a case pocket knife.

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Speaker 1: No way under more than fifty bucks though, First person to.

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Speaker 7: Send a receipt that they gave a thousand I'm gonna

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Speaker 7: send a case pocket knife.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear that?

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01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 4: Folks with an autograph letter of authenticity?

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Speaker 1: Sure, first person that proves the Brent Reeves that they

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Speaker 1: donated one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Two wildlife.

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Speaker 1: Dot com gonna get a case knife from Brent Reeves.

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Speaker 5: So then one quick question other than the donation, is

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Speaker 5: there any like a short list of things of say,

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01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 5: like a guy like me and Mississippi or somebody that's not.

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Speaker 5: Is there a short list of actionable things somebody could

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Speaker 5: do that's not living in Colorado that could be impactful.

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing that I can see is

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01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 3: if you're following us on Instagram or Facebook, or you're

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01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 3: seeing comments from other forums and other venues on any

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01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 3: one of that social media outlets, is as opposed to

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01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 3: just reading it and going on and scrolling through it,

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01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 3: look at look at what it is, and if you

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Speaker 3: believe in that, then turn around and make a comment

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01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 3: and share it and try to repost share it online. Yeah,

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01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 3: it has to be. It has to be more expansive.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be more institutional. It's got to be

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Speaker 3: more in our community that I heard what Lake said

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01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,560
Speaker 3: or I heard what Clay said, and I'm going to

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01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 3: turn around and try to promote that message. I mean,

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01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 3: if if a tornado is coming and you know that

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Speaker 3: the neighbors down the road, I can speak about this

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Speaker 3: in Arkansas.

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Speaker 2: I guess our language.

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01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, if the language.

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Speaker 3: Exactly if you if a tornado's coming and you hear

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 3: the siren and you know the guy down the road

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 3: can't hear the siren. Because he's deaf, you're just going

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01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 3: to watch his house blow away. I think that's where

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01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 3: a lot of sportsmen and women are deaf.

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Speaker 2: Do we like that fellow down the road? Yeah? It

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01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: shouldn't make a difference, and in any case, it didn't,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 3: I think I think that we're to a point to

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01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 3: where it's upon ourselves to make sure that we lock arms.

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01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we talk about a well regulated militia.

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01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 3: We talk about you know, seeing an eye to eye

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01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 3: and making sure we support our neighbor and stuff. That's

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01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 3: what we've been doing. It's just that I think we've

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01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 3: got away from a lot of that because it's easy,

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01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 3: because you can click a button, you don't have to

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01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 3: worry about it. It's more important now to make sure

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01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 3: that we're all we're all part of one community, and

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01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 3: that's the sportsmen and women community to support hunting and

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01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 3: fishing and conservation and the science based wildlife management.

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Speaker 2: M hm, that's good.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming down man. Your I commend your energy

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01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: and your just all the work you've done last years.

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01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: It's inspirational to us, inspirational to me to see somebody

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01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: that's putting their life behind their words. You know you're

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01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: out there doing it and so yeah, man, I just

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: want us to find tangible ways to support and help

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01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: this thing because it is bigger in Colorado.

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01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 2: When we win.

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Speaker 3: On November fifth, the thing that I'm already been asked

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 3: by different groups and organizations is will you come speak

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01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 3: here and will you come present here different conventions or shows.

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01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 3: When we win, it'll be a culmination of a playbook

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01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 3: and a roadmap that was created from some guys in

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01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 3: California with hol for Wildlife and ourselves and creating a

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01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 3: bond and then outreach into every single person that we

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01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 3: could possibly outreach too that has a voice and a message,

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01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 3: and that'll create the playbook on funding, on messaging, on outreach,

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01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 3: on networking, on strategy building, the legal side of things,

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Speaker 3: the logistical side of things. And that's something that we've

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01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 3: missed from a nationwide perspective. Some states have been able

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01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 3: to fight some of this stuff off. But when we win,

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01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 3: we want to be able to turn around and take

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01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 3: that playbook and hand it to somebody else in Arkansas

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01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 3: or Washington and say this is what worked, and it

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01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 3: didn't work on just a state level, worked on a

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01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 3: national level, on the regional level, on the local level,

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01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 3: and this is how you can build an armament to

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01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 3: future victories.

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Speaker 2: It's good.

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01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: Great Blake, thanks for coming up from Mississippi.

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01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me here.

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: Yep, appreciate it. Everybody else, thanks for being here. And

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01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: don't forget about Brent's case knife, going out to going

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01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: out to the Thanks guys, very much.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thanks