1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice. 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: What's up and Welcome back to Fantasy Football Weekly off 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: season editions with your host John Lagaza and my friend 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: and cohort mister Jake Trowbridge. Again, no rest for the 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: weary here what off season? Off season? What off season? Jape? 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: The ball keeps rolling and we're here to cover it. 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: I actually got some positive feedback from a very close 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: friend of mine who said you and I make a 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: really good pair. And he said, you do a good 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: job of keeping me in line. How about that? 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about that. I don't know how 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: great I necessarily am or even need to be about that. 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: John. 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: The beauty I think comes from your whirlwind, whirling, dervish nature. 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: We don't want to lose that right right. 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: We want to we'd like to rationally suppress right without 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: without totally throttling. But it's true, you know, nothing like 19 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: a little If you ever directed energy weapon, you gotta 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: make sure we're pointing it in the right way. I 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: held that one for audio because again, we're just a 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: really close friend of mine who has been following a 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 2: lot of my work and my you know, trajectory. Doing content, 24 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: I get a positive but also negative feedback. And of 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: all the stuff I've done, probably the brightest has been 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: between you and I. All Right, so enough of the powdering. 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: Let's get into the nuts and bolts. We're gonna be 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: covering some more moves, some retentions, some new locations, and 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: then you know, again using Underdog ADP, which is very 30 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: short because it's moving, we're gonna talk about winners and losers, 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: fantasy effects, how we feel. Let's start under center. Now, 32 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: this one is really really interesting. We probably could spend 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: the entire episode on it, and I'll try not to. 34 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, Okay, so I have the whole thing. Kirk 35 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: Cousins signs a five year, one hundred and seven two 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: million dollar deal with the Raiders. Now the big stress 37 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: was that in reality, it's a one year, fully guaranteed, 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: twenty million dollar deal with a club option for two 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: years at eighty. Now the big thing is generally that 40 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 2: kind of money you're playing, Jake. We know the Raiders 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: are on the clock, right, They're on the clock. In 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: the draft, everyone expected Mendoza, you know, to be the 43 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: smash pick one oh one. So I don't know if 44 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 2: you've put a lot of thought into this. I don't 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: really have a very formed question because there's so many 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: ways does cousins play. Will they still draft Mendoza? Will 47 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: they draft Mendoza and have him rest and maybe learn? Right, 48 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: maybe sit and learn. We haven't seen that in a while, 49 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: So the flora is yours. 50 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: You're right, we haven't seen that in a while, arguably 51 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: too long. Though perhaps this might not be the worst thing. 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: I would just like to say, first though, John, can 53 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: we be done with the it's a five year contract, 54 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: it's a one year contract, it's a three year contract. 55 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: What happened to the days where they would just be like, 56 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: this is how much money it is, and then we 57 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: could just take that at face value? 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: I miss that, John, Yeah, he here you go. I'm 59 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: just so glad I've given up on that. Remember we 60 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: actually spoke about it as maybe our first episode together. 61 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: We were talking about the Chiefs and how they were 62 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: in the worst cap spot and on its face, it 63 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: didn't look like there was any chance they could land 64 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: kind of Walker Junior, right, that was actually the hypothetical 65 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: they were able to, you know, mix and match and 66 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: move stuff around. So again let's Seeah, they got to 67 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: pump the brakes on understanding these contracts. I do like 68 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: the guarantee, right, The guarantees are the numbers that I 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: do we do want to focus on. And that's why 70 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: I mentioned that man. I mean, he's twenty million. Is 71 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: legit starter money. Could you bring somebody into just be 72 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: a tutor? I doubt it. 73 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's a big contract for a tutor. 74 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: That's a lot of dollars signs for a teacher. However, 75 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: I have long been of the mindset that drafting Fernando 76 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: Mendoza at number one is not actually in the best 77 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: interest of the Raiders. I've always said, like, until you 78 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: can fill the many other holes on that roster, go ahead, 79 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: trade out of that pick, trade back, accumulate later first 80 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: round picks, more picks, more players, fill those holes. 81 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: Do this. 82 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: You can do a bridge quarterback situation, kind of keep 83 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: everybody elevated, keep some morale, maybe around the Raiders locker 84 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: room if nothing else. But if Kirk Cousins is year 85 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: one start and they draft for Nando Mendoza and he 86 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: sits for the majority of the year, doesn't have to 87 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: be the entire year. I'm actually not I'm not minding it. 88 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: I think it's better than throwing him into that particular 89 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: fire that early. It's a little bit like when the 90 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: Patriots drafted Drake May, except the Patriots actually had a 91 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: respectable kind of opening for him. They were better as 92 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: a team overall. So I don't know that we're gonna 93 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: see Mendoza, meaning I'm not gonna be drafting Mendoza to 94 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: play him potentially in Week thirteen or whatever for redraft purposes, 95 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: for dynasty, you know, especially in two quarterback leagues, that 96 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: sort of thing. Mendoza still stays on the radar if 97 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: he's drafted by the Raiders. 98 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: Yes, so many good points, and yet and it's not 99 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: saying none of it is addressed because we just don't 100 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: know the answer. It's like you failed in answering because 101 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: none of us know. That was a real monkey wrench 102 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: for us that had Mendoza penciled in. Now. I think 103 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 2: you make a great point that just because we haven't 104 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: seen this tutelage happening doesn't mean that we can't, and 105 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: it also doesn't mean that we shouldn't. I tend to 106 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: believe we've gotten away from something that works. But with 107 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: rookie contracts and the free agency stuff, there's such a 108 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: pressure to get repetitions from your QB under that original 109 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: deal to see what you have, or heaven forbid, try 110 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: and win some games. It really just such a monkey ranch. Again, 111 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: I'm trying to ignore all of the other verbiage in 112 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: that deal and just focus on the guarantee. I can't 113 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: imagine getting twenty million and not playing, so ADPs. To 114 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: put some perspective, Bendoza right now is one fifty. Kirk 115 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: Cousins is going very late to forty. I think there 116 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: will be in essence of market shock, Cousins is going 117 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: to move up. I don't know how much, but he's 118 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: he's going to move up into at least like QB 119 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: fifteen eighteen, right where he's not like necessarily starter. But 120 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: I think you have to consider him back in QB two. 121 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: I think the Mendoza price will probably slide. That doesn't 122 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: mean much to you. I mentioned I would draft him 123 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: because even if he doesn't go to the Raiders, I 124 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: think we think he's gonna be playing. I'll tell you 125 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: what though, one fifty ADP for a player that's not starting. 126 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 2: That's a loss, right, we wouldn't generally be investing in 127 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: quarterback at one fifty, So, like I said, doesn't affect 128 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: you much. How about the as far as men doze, 129 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: I should say, how about those ancillary pieces? You and 130 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: I were very clear that we thought Vegas has a 131 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: lot of good pieces, right, the ADP kind of reflects that. 132 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: Are you bullish, Parish or neutral on you know, Bowers 133 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: and genty like? Does it change your opinion? I mean 134 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: they're both pretty expensive as is. 135 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: I think the nice thing about Kirk signing there, Yeah, 136 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: he's old. 137 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: I get it. 138 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: He's not what he used to be even in terms of, 139 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, pure pocket passer ability. But he did have 140 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: pretty decent stretches with the Falcons. But if they can 141 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: have him under center running a lot of play action, 142 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: which is an area where Kirk Cousins says historically kind 143 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: of thrived. I if he's thriving at all, it's usually 144 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: with play action. I think that that would be nice 145 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: to operate. Then the two tight end sets out of that, 146 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: I would like to see Brock Bauers and Michael Mayer 147 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: get involved. You look at the receivers and outside of 148 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: Jalen Naylor. Right now, there's just not there's not anything. 149 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: You know, maybe they add in the draft, maybe some 150 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: of these lingering free agents signed there, whatever, But for 151 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: Brock Bowers, it's at least stability, you know, a rookie quarterback. 152 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: Even if Fernando Mendoza does look as good as people 153 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: project him to, I just I don't think it's gonna 154 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: happen right away, not on that team, not in that offense. 155 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: So I'd rather a. 156 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: Safety security feature like Kirk Cousins be the starter early 157 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: on so that I feel better about drafting Bowers. Are 158 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: you feeling like Bauers is. 159 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: Moving down with this or moving up? I think he 160 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: might move down. And I think you made a really great, 161 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: like experienced, like a veteran point and I've been playing 162 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: for a long time. But man, we all have our vulnerabilities, 163 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: and mine is usually this chasing the unknown, uncertainty upside 164 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: of a prospect and how it might resonate. And that's 165 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: not how you do this, especially with premium picks. That's 166 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 2: not how you do this. We as a fantasy football 167 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: collective should like Bowers more with Cousins than we do 168 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: with Mendoza. Cousins is proven. I think we're all going 169 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: to be a little bit too hard on him because 170 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: of the lower body injury something else you and I 171 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 2: spoke about. We saw Mark Andrews, Tony Pollard. I'm sure 172 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: there's a few others guys that were top fifty overall picks, 173 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: had lower body injuries, got drafted too high because of 174 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: that stunk, and then bounce back afterwards back to the 175 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: player that we thought they'd be. So I think there's 176 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: a realistic chance that happens for a Cousins. So I 177 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: guess we could put a bow on that. I'm bullish 178 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: on Cousins. I think even if he only moves up 179 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: a little bit, we should be calculating the fact he 180 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: could be the starter all season, because if if the 181 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: Raiders don't select Mendoza at one oh one, Cousins needs 182 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: to be going like fifty. He's seventy one hundred picks 183 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: higher than he is right now, right because he's got 184 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: weapons and he's just gonna play all right. So really cool. 185 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 2: That was a really interesting move. Now, I want you 186 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: to lead on this one. It's justin fields because you 187 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: mentioned it to me, I seem to not care and 188 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: I think it's just from fantasy wounds unhealed chick. So 189 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: Justin Fields traded to Kansas City from my New York 190 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: Jets to the Chiefs for a six round pick. I 191 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: think the price is fair, especially with Mahomes' early season 192 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: status is at very least uncertain right now. Field's definitely 193 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 2: a different type of quarterback, not nearly a cerebral or efficient. 194 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, take it away, Does Reed see something? 195 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: Are they just looking for a guy to I don't know, 196 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: run the ball. I don't know what they're gonna get. 197 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 2: I'm afraid. 198 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I get why you're afraid. First of all, 199 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: you mean that watching this happen as a Jets fan 200 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: was not your most exciting time to endure Justin Fields 201 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: for to be fair, there are Justin Fields. I don't 202 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: know it was necessarily the whole problem with the Jet situation, 203 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: but it was brutal to your point, I never. 204 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: Know what they're doing, Jake. I'm starting to have fever 205 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: dreams that there's some grand conspiracy behind, you know, some 206 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: smoky room. The Jets are going to move up into 207 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: the one now that the Raiders have their quarterback. Part 208 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: of that bounty. Right. What you were saying, I'm trying 209 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: to lean into the great analysis you've given is that 210 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: you know what maybe the Raiders said. Man, That Fantasy 211 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: Football Weekly show is pretty shock man. Maybe we shouldn't 212 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: force Mendoza into what could be a losing situation. Let's 213 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: build the rest of the team, and that one oh 214 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: one pick is certainly what'll do it. We have seen 215 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 2: absolute kings ransoms happen in this trading market. So maybe 216 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 2: the Jets end up at that pick, and that's why 217 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: they felt comfortable moving from Fields, who was very bad 218 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: for them, but they promised us they were gonna give 219 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: them a chance, which they didn't. Not that it worked, 220 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: I don't. 221 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: Know, but I think it's nice to go from that 222 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: situation if you're justin Fields. At least, it's nice to 223 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: go from the Jets to arguably the best possible situation 224 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: to rehab your career, really more than anything else, to 225 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: get another chance to say, hey, I can be good 226 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: and if Andy Reid can make him look good for 227 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: the coupled a few games that Mahomes presumably misses. We 228 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: don't know for sure that Mahomes is gonna not be 229 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: starting Week one, but it's an acl injury. They did 230 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: spend this money on Justin Fields. I think that they 231 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: would be wise to at least give him a couple 232 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: of games to get going. If he looks good in 233 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: two to three games, John, I could see Justin Fields 234 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: getting another opportunity somewhere next year, right they go, Hey, 235 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: he looked all right. And for Dynasty football implications, that 236 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: actually means a lot. It doesn't mean I'm drafting Justin 237 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: Fields this year for redraft, but if I'm playing the 238 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: long game, if I'm playing in Dynasty, Justin Fields is 239 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: very cheap to acquire right now. If he does pop 240 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: off for a couple of games, his value is gonna 241 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: shoot through the roof, John, I think, so I'm interested 242 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: in getting in on the new ground floor here. 243 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Justin Fields is certainly Dynasty catnip at this point. Okay, 244 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: So we actually mentioned Mahomes at pick ninety earlier on 245 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: this offseason. I felt it was a little bit too 246 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: rich with the uncertainty. We were kind of in agreement. 247 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: My fancy brain is spinning right now. Here's my question 248 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: before we move on, because again, I don't think Justin 249 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: Field's gonna have this major major impact. One thing that 250 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: did come to mind though Andy Reid, known for play 251 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: design ability, in particular in the red and green zone. 252 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: Is it possible that he sees fields for what he is, 253 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: which is a really great playmaker. Where I'm going in 254 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: my circuitous way, do you think this could take away 255 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: from any ken Walker opportunities? Because if you're this is 256 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 2: a question that you need to think about. If you're 257 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: taking ken Walker at his new ADP, which is eighteen, 258 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 2: So you're taking him, you know in the middle of 259 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: the second round. We need the TD equity and my 260 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: galaxy braining it. What about the first couple of weeks. 261 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: What if we're to assume Mahomes is not gonna start 262 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 2: into week two or three, is Walker maybe the second 263 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: most valuable runner? 264 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: Then I think if we're looking at it from with 265 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: and without Patrick Mahomes there, so without Patrick Mahomes there, 266 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: if it's just justin fields under center for however many games, 267 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm not terribly concerned about Kenneth Walker, but it does 268 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: ding his value enough, like justin fields with Briesce Hall 269 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: for example, last year. It's not as if Briesce Hall 270 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: was completely unusable for fantasy purposes or anything like that. 271 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: But I could see maybe some red zone vulturing happening 272 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes on the field. I don't know that 273 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: they go like Taysom Hill with it. If that's kind 274 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: of right where your head might go with a knacker 275 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: of this ability, I don't think that they would do that. 276 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: I hope that they don't do that. Sehn. 277 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: Let's wish cast that they don't do that and leave 278 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: it at that. 279 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's a major threat, 280 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: just more if we get some kind of setback news 281 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,119 Speaker 2: from a home then fields his price shoots up. He's 282 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: still going very late, like it didn't really move much, 283 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: and I think people are understanding at pick two thirty five, 284 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: you'll probably just make him a natural pair with Mahomes 285 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: in case he misses a game or two. Maybe you 286 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: get exposure to a good offense and a good system 287 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. I was interested are your thoughts 288 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: with the ken Walker thing, because right, those downstream effects 289 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: and those touchdowns just matters so much. All right, So 290 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: obviously I haven't done much to improve my brevity. But 291 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: let's get into the running backs now. Maybe a little 292 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:39,479 Speaker 2: bit quicker here. David Montgomery went to Houston. My eyebrows 293 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: immediately went up, thinking, why is Montgomery gonna be the 294 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: lead back? Traded to Houston from Detroit for a seventh 295 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: round pick and a fourth round pick, and there's that 296 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: big equity. So now the backfield there, I would imagine 297 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: Montgomery RB one with woody marks toward Jordan British Brooks. 298 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: I mean, feels like David monk Man. He could be 299 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: a starter. Right now, he's at pick fifty seven, and 300 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: let me inspect put that in perspective beforehand. It off fuel, 301 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: It's pick fifty seven, is all right? DeAndre Swift, Chicago 302 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: Camp Scataboo and the Giants. I'll tell you I like 303 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: Montgomery more than like Scataboo. I don't know if I 304 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: like it more than Swift. How do you feel about 305 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: DeMont maybe getting a chance at like a real RB 306 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: one role again? Yeah, I don't know. 307 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: John. You're saying he had picked fifty seven and then 308 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: you cushed it next to those names, and I think 309 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: I would agree. I think I would take him over 310 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: those guys. But I think what this really says to 311 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: me is that's going to be the start of the 312 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: running back dead zone. That I'm probably just gonna end 313 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: up maps all together, like I'm just gonna stay away 314 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: from these guys. It's not because Montgomery's not good. He's 315 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: just he's never really been an efficient back. He'll be 316 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: an upgrade to Nick Chubb. But did you really love 317 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: having Nick Chubb on your fantasy team last year? I 318 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: didn't have him, so I don't know maybe you did. 319 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: But what I do like for this, you're talking about 320 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: downstream effects. I actually like this for Woody Marx. Obviously 321 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: it would be nice if you're if you're having Woody 322 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: Marks on your roster, you wanted to get as much 323 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: work as possible. But I never got why Marx was 324 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: the lead back. That's not his thing. His fitting role, 325 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: I think is as a third down back. He's a 326 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: really good pass catcher, so I think this suppresses his 327 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: value and his ADP to where you can get him 328 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: in PPR formats John to actually be a pretty solid 329 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: late round pick. Do you have any interest in Woody 330 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: Marks or any of the other guys. 331 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's gonna be depending on how my 332 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: team kind of plays out right now. My early macro 333 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: thoughts with you premium running back early, so I'm not 334 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: having to decide on these guys at pick sixty that 335 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: frankly i'm not enamored with. There are wide receivers i'd 336 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: much rather have in these one v one swaps. So yeah, 337 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: I think I'm with you there, though. The touchdown equity 338 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: for Montgomery is probably gonna be pretty interesting, right Stroud 339 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: doesn't really run much. He feels like he's gonna be 340 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 2: the centerpiece almost like I don't know if you say 341 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: it ever can say exclusively like one hundred percent, But 342 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: I'm projecting Montgomery for the you know, vast majority of 343 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: the line share of red zone touches, which is gonna 344 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: get him there. But I had to go, look, I 345 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 2: didn't realize how enticing that what he Mark's pass catching 346 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: profile is. Again, when you said it, I knew it 347 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: was right because your stuff is so good, But on 348 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: the on paper, I didn't realize it. You know, it 349 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 2: was only thirty six targets and two hundred and eight yards, 350 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: but you know it was only two hundred and forty 351 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 2: two routes. So when he was on the field, he 352 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: was getting looks. We saw a couple explosive games, and 353 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: I think that had the fantasy community a little hot 354 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 2: on the total package, which again you mentioned, pulled him 355 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 2: out of his archetype. So back to your question, if 356 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 2: I'm doing a dead zone thing, Marx is absolutely a 357 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: guy that I like because I think he's only one 358 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 2: injury away from a featured role, and right now he's 359 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: going to pick one sixty three, so I think we're 360 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: aligned where I like Montgomery. He's not a bad fantasy pick. 361 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: I think it's going too high because inside the top 362 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: sixty picks, I like a little more pass catching Montgomery, 363 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: not a total zero. But I believe this really defines 364 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: the roles very clearly, right, and I think I think 365 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: that's the points we were both making. Next up, Chris 366 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: Rodriguez on his way to Sonny Jacksonville two year, ten 367 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: million dollar contracts are now that room looks like Baseel 368 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: Teuton as one. Chris Rodriguez to lacint Allen, who he 369 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 2: saw kind of frustrate fantasy managers at points. Again, speaking 370 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: of clear roles, my gut says, Wow, this really does 371 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: feel like it's Teuton ORB one season, where Rodriguez is 372 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 2: probably gonna get some tough yards and maybe vulture some 373 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: of the touchdown stuff, which we know is valuable, but 374 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: I don't think Tuton is discluded from it, excluded from 375 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: those touches, and I think he's gonna get all the 376 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 2: pass catching stuff. So Rodriguez very good dead zone back touton, 377 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 2: maybe breakout season incoming. 378 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: I don't want you to get my hopes up, is 379 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: the problem. I've already. I had my hopes set so 380 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: high for Bacial Touton last year and then this year 381 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: once Travis him goes right and he leaves for New Orleans, 382 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: I also thought that maybe then I will see no competition, 383 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: because that's the thing, right, There's plenty of running backs 384 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: that have just zero competition in their own backfields. Obviously, 385 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: Jacksonville was going to add somebody. Signing Chris Rodriguez, it 386 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: is hopefully a sign that he's going to do most 387 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: of the dirty work, which for fantasy purposes, fine, let 388 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: him do that, right, I can take the high value 389 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: touches for Bacial Touton. I got to give Rodriguez some props, though, 390 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: John I thought he was the best running back on 391 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: the Commanders last season, and maybe it was just high 392 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: expectations for the other guys, you know, Jacory Krofsky Merit 393 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: and them that didn't pan out. But I thought Rodriguez 394 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: looked good, so we'll see that. Liam Cohen certainly seems 395 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: to like him a lot. We never know really with coaches, 396 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: John if they're just trying to hype up the new 397 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: guy or how much they believe this stuff. But I 398 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a frustrating split. I just am 399 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: worried about Basil Tooton not getting touchdowns. 400 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: I think I got Bacial Tuton coming in at ADP 401 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 2: fifty six, which makes me wish I had scrolled up 402 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: a little further before because I would absolutely like Tuton v. Montgomery. 403 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: I'm not even I'm worlds apart on that one, right, 404 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: I'm worlds apart as far as career trajectory, potential upside, 405 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 2: and then even like usage and stuff. I think you 406 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: make a really good point. And it's something in life, right, 407 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: not just fantasy football. We need to be malleable, right, 408 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: We need to kind of move right like Bruce Lee. 409 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: It's they gonna be like water, right. No, our guy 410 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 2: Ian Harden says that all the time, you can't be 411 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: you can't be too rigid, right, gonna make the bamboo 412 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: read it bends, but it doesn't break. And we're here. 413 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: We hear so many people complaining about loads and running 414 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: back by committee. It's all a running back by committee. 415 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: There are even the very few end up getting spoiled 416 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: with the signing or something. So for me, you mentioned it, 417 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: there's gonna be some you know, it's gonna be some 418 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: some tough yards to get. You need somebody to get 419 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: those carries. And I've actually come around. I want somebody 420 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: that's gonna actually get the first down. I swear. It 421 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: feels like fantasy manager would rather have a total garbage 422 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: back that's not gonna succeed at all, not realizing that 423 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: we want extended drives. You know, we want some level 424 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: of success. So man toutin. I really love that. I 425 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: think the argument I just said before applies again. Now. 426 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: I was a little bit surprised that the Chris Rodriguez 427 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: price is actually one forty. So I gotta bounce this 428 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: off you again because this was a little bit of 429 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: a sticker shock in the other direction. I thought Rodriguez 430 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: would be going very late. Chris Rodriguez is going next 431 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: to Aaron Jones, Zach charbon Ay, Tyrone Tracy. I mean 432 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 2: if you're worried about Scatterbo. You should like Tracy. So 433 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: I do not like the Rodriguez price. I thought he 434 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: was going very late. You share my sentiment on that. 435 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: Rodriguez a little expensive for what we feel like is 436 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: a clear backup. 437 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: He's expensive, and that just says to me that not 438 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: everybody thinks like we do, that he is the clear backup, 439 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: that he is at least gonna get fifty percent of 440 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: the workload, maybe more, and maybe he does get most 441 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: of the touchdowns. And at that price, if you get 442 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 1: a touchdown a game or thereabouts, okay, you're you're all 443 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: right obviously spending that, but that is interesting. 444 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 2: You get just a tremendous gold star for me, if 445 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: only my arm could reach the Midwest. I have a 446 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 2: gold star for your wonderful nose. Because that's what this 447 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: is all about, the thing that we do fantasy football. 448 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: Right again, I mentioned being malleable, but it's understanding markets. 449 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: These things are dynamic, and what you just did is 450 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: so brilliant and is what people need to be doing, 451 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: which is looking at markets and then using that like 452 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: determination as an assertion. It's the truth that was the 453 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 2: real determined issue in chake. That was just so awesome 454 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: because I missed that and I thought it and saw it, 455 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: but I didn't frame it, and you really. 456 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: Nailed it back stars today, I'm so lovey to be 457 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: on the. 458 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: Hey Listen, my friend knew what he was talking about. Man, 459 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. He knew you me and 460 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: you were friends with life though. So it's it's it's 461 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 2: the truth that Riguez price tell and so does the 462 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: Teuton price, right, and and I just didn't piece together. 463 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: I was surprised at the Tuton price and being too low, 464 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: and surprised at the Rodriguez price being too high, and 465 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: then you nailed it. That's what the market feels that 466 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: these two players are much closer, which tells me, I'm 467 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: going to get Tutin at a price I like, and 468 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: Rodriguez is going to go, probably in spots that might 469 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: frustrate us as Tutin drafters, because I do like the pair, 470 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: especially in bastball and stuff, but I don't force it. 471 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: And if he's going at a price I don't like, 472 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 2: I'm out. So that was really really awesome. Another Batman, 473 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: we have all the players that are really disappointed to 474 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: me over the years, it's Isaiah Pacheco. Oh Man, there 475 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 2: there are screenshots, and I'm not proud of Jake. There 476 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: were articles and bold predictions and all of these things, 477 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: and I'm not proud of Isaiah. Pachecko signs on with Detroit. 478 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: I now, like this is like talk about wheels up. 479 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: If you're not into Pachecko. Jamier Gibbs right now is 480 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: making a case for the one oh one right behind 481 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: B Robinson. I won't. I won't hint Rich Robinson I'm 482 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: talking about right, but it's B Robinson. So take it away. 483 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: On Pachecko. Do you think he's one of the lower 484 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: injury guys and we get a bounce back or has 485 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: that ship sailed? 486 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: I just think it's relying too heavily on touchdowns with Pachecko. 487 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: You're looking at him to step into as much of 488 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: a workload as David Montgomery historically got there. But if 489 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to decipher what the coaching staff and GM 490 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: are doing here, they're saying that, yes, they want to 491 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: give more work to Jamiir Gibbs, not more work to 492 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: the new guy coming in. They need't somebody, they can't 493 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: have just one guy, And obviously no backfield is just 494 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: going to have one guy, but Isaiah Pachecko. Maybe he'll 495 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: again vulture some touchdowns. Dave Montgomery historically a lot of 496 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: double digit touchdown seasons as the sort of number two 497 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: back or one be back with Detroit. Oh, I don't 498 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: think we have to be as worried about Pacheco being 499 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: that guy. 500 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: Not to be rude. 501 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: Isaiah Pacheco very interesting, very fun runner, very powerful runner runner, 502 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: but not somebody that I'm afraid of, and not somebody 503 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm drafting. John, Are you interested in drafting him? What's 504 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: his ADP? 505 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: Not not anymore. I'm just I'm out, And I know 506 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: everybody has a price for the thousand dollars man. As 507 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 2: I always say, he's in that backup range one sixty five, 508 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no, I you know, no, I'd rather 509 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 2: have our buddy Woody Marks right there. You know, I'm 510 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: just I'm just not loving it. Dylan Samson is back there. 511 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: I like Dylan sh I actually really like Dylan Samson. 512 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: I understand, you know, Judkins probably lapped him, but unfortunately, 513 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: injuries are a real thing, and we have to think 514 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 2: of that next order, right, that next wave, And for me, yeah, 515 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: Pichecko again a mistake I've made, like automatically stacking and 516 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: pairing guys. You gotta think, if Heaven forbid, something happens 517 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: to gives and Pacheco is the guy. Do we even 518 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: want him? Is he even in RB one and right? 519 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: Kansas City tried this, They tried to make him a 520 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 2: feature back. He's had the touch totals and it never 521 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 2: got home for us. So I think I'm out because one, 522 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: I think Gibbs can handle the load. I think he 523 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: will handle the load. And I think even if Pacheco 524 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: gets a chance, he's not going to Jake. We had 525 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: a couple more running backs. I want to fast forward 526 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: through them. Want to talk about a couple of pass 527 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: catchers before we get out of here, because again it's 528 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: like backup in tertiary pieces, and you know me, I'll 529 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: get lost in any weed that you show me when 530 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: it comes to fantasy football. Lightning round on a couple 531 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 2: of wide receiver names, just like if you think they 532 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: matter or not. The first one I had was John Metchi. 533 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: He's a guy that I really liked, but he goes 534 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 2: to Carolina and now I guess they have a need 535 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 2: for weaponry. I'm just worried about the ceiling there. I 536 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: kind of like the shower narrative when he was at Houston, 537 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 2: and I think without that, I've gotten a little bit. 538 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: I've gotten a little bit cold on Metchi. Now he's 539 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 2: going really really late, like pick two forty, So I 540 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: guess you could add him. Does he move the needle 541 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: for you at all? 542 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you said it. They need some other pass catchers. 543 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: They've got McMillan, they've got Jalen Cocher. They could really 544 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: use the third guy to step up John Metchi. You know, 545 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: he flashed a little bit with the Jets last year. 546 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: There was a couple of weeks where it's like, Oh, 547 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: is he Is he doing this now? And then he 548 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: did not continue to do it. 549 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: Do you think he'll jump to get That's what I 550 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 2: meant to ask, oh, because that would be the path 551 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: to relevance. 552 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be necessarily the hardest thing 553 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: in the world, So I'm not confecting it, but I 554 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: could see it happening. 555 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, But that's one of those draft capital guys just 556 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: start chasing it, and you chase it over and over 557 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: and over, and then eventually one first round pick goes 558 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: crazy six years later and all of a sudden like 559 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: seventh year breakout. But he just got to be careful. 560 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: Well see, I think Mechi's very talented when he's playing. 561 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: We've seen him really look right. So right now, if 562 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: you want to get Mooney services, you have to take 563 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: him over Christian Kirk New Place in San Francisco. I'd 564 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: rather have Kirk, Malik Washington, who I don't receive a 565 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: wide receiver one in Miami. I have no idea or 566 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: other Titan we just talked out Jamior Dk. I'd probably 567 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: rather have all those guys. 568 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: The Giants have a star, you know, they have Mylak neighbors, 569 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: but they are desperate for a number two guy. 570 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 2: There. 571 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: Turn out Mooney thrived as a number two. He was 572 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: never gonna be a number one guy. So I don't 573 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: hate it. Do you hate this spot? 574 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: So Mooney served a wide receiver one role as far 575 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: as volume right, He ran four hundred and fifty five 576 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: routes seventy eight percent raw participation, earning just under five 577 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: targets a game, which is okay, but under one yard 578 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: per route, just over two yards after cats per reception, 579 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: which is not great more serving a deep roll. My 580 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 2: worry here is not that he won't get opportunities or play, 581 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: it's the lack of production in the slot, which I 582 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: think is the role opened up by the next player. 583 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: I was gonna mention who I actually have an updated 584 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: thing on, So I think money to the Giants, Man, 585 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I think I'm out because 586 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: I think there's too much of an overlap with k 587 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: neighbors and the role they're gonna serve. Because the Giants 588 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 2: moved on from Wandale that spot underneath. He got a 589 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: full year deal with Tennessee after a massive year. But man, 590 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: I hate picking on guys. You did it with Pacheco, right. 591 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: These guys are all awesome. They're world class athletes. We 592 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: never want to like come down to them. But Wandale 593 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: really felt like he benefited greatly from a situation. There 594 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: was just no weaponry off than the Giants. They were 595 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: constantly down facing all these zones and it was just 596 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: like slot dump, slot dump, slot dump. I don't know 597 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: if you're gonna get that from Tennessee, which doesn't kind 598 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: of pose the scene threat. Maybe even with Jackson Dart 599 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: in the background, So Wandale. Let me, let me bring 600 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: up his price, because I just can't see he's a 601 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: pick one hundred. There's no way I' getting one there. 602 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: Robinson to pick one hundred, how about you? 603 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: I just don't know. I think about Rondo Robinson with 604 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: the Giants a couple of years ago. Yeah, Giants really 605 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: do have a hole. Maybe Obj he's been, Odell Beckham 606 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: Junior has. 607 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: Been Oh my gosh, maybe oh go back to the Giants. 608 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: Who knows, But I do think with Wandell, like, look 609 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: at his twenty twenty four season. It's the funniest stat 610 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: line I've seen in recent memory. It was one hundred 611 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: and forty targets and he still did in the top 612 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: seven hundred receiving yards. You never see that. That is 613 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: truly hilarry free stuff. But in twenty twenty five, yeah, 614 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: he was much more proficient. Maybe we get that version 615 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: because there is no Malik neighbors in Tennessee, as we 616 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: were just talking about, So it is kind of wide 617 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: open for those guys right now. Maybe he does stand out, 618 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: but around one hundred, i'd have to see who else 619 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: is going there. Maybe I'd trick myself into thinking he's 620 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: a PPR scam, but we'll see. 621 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's like the best case scenario. 622 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: So for me, that's too expensive for that best case scenario. Okay, 623 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: So I'm looking at the depth chart now that wide 624 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: receiver room is you know, Ridley wan Dale and Iyo 625 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: minor in DK, and that feels like a lot of 626 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 2: redundancy for me. That the DK. That stings for me 627 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: because I liked DK last year. Right now, he's giving 628 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: me vibes that they're gonna go the Shaheed route with him, 629 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 2: and I wonder if we at the table this one. 630 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: I wonder if team the new one of the metas 631 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: going on, is secure a legit playmaker as a as 632 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: a returner right one of the new Maybe this is 633 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: like a new pivot from the kicking changes to really 634 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: get a legitimate threat. DK is one of those guys. 635 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: Shaheed is one of those guys. They're on a very 636 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: short list, and I hope they're not trying to protect 637 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: him because we saw DK starting to grow. So maybe 638 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: it's my irrational exuberance for DK. I just think they're 639 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: going to cancel each other out so to tie in 640 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: the giant stuff again and again, my apologies everybody for 641 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 2: not being on top of the Mooney stuff. Really killer 642 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: because I had grabbed that maybe a week, but shows 643 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: you how fast the information moves. I'm gonna be avoiding redundancy. 644 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: I want players, especially in new scenarios, to not like 645 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: be trying to carve out a new role for themself 646 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: to succeed. You know, if there was a slot role 647 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: in Tennessee, I'd be all over Wandale. He's the perfect 648 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: guy for that. But I don't want if he's gonna 649 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: be sharing a slot role because I don't think he 650 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 2: can win outside. Are they gonna try and make him 651 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: win outside? Not interested seeing for Mooney. We've never really 652 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: seen Mooney win inside in the slot. I know a 653 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: lot of guys can, but we haven't seen it. Maybe 654 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: that's something to look out for, and the exhibition stuff, 655 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: but yeah, I don't know. The wide receiver moves. Jake 656 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: not really inspiring me the way that the running backs 657 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 2: we are, So I think that'll do it for today's episode. 658 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: Did I miss anything on the whiteouts before we go? 659 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean, just all due respect to Khaliff Raymond, who 660 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: is somehow still just trucking along year to year deal 661 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: this time, he's in Chicago. You'd love to see him. 662 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So from Jake and Joe on One 663 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: Dale and all the other slot merchants out there, make 664 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: sure to you know, subscribe and review the podcast Fantasy 665 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 2: Football Weekly Offseason. We'll see you next week and until 666 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 2: that man, Take it easy, everyone,