Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
Speaker 1: Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come
Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?
Speaker 2: And who says?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Come curious, dig deep, and join the conversation. It's time
Speaker 1: to question everything.
Speaker 2: Have you ever asked yourself? Was that a sign?
Speaker 3: Or?
Speaker 1: Am I just making meaning out of nothing? If you
Speaker 1: do it, you're not alone. I do it all of
Speaker 1: the time, and so do a lot of other people.
Speaker 1: Searches for synchronicity and quote spiritual signs are at an
Speaker 1: all time high. Therapists say clients are asking about intuition
Speaker 1: more then they're asking about anxiety. Even neuroscientists are studying
Speaker 1: deja vus as a potential form of a glitchy memory,
Speaker 1: while half of TikTok is convinced its messages from the universe.
Speaker 1: We are a culture hungry for direction somewhere between science, spirituality,
Speaker 1: and something we don't have a language for yet. Psychology
Speaker 1: today just reported that more people than ever believe the
Speaker 1: universe communicates through patterns. You think about someone you haven't
Speaker 1: seen in.
Speaker 2: Years, and then they call you.
Speaker 1: You're sort of wrestling with a choice, and then a
Speaker 1: stranger says the exact sentence you needed. Or maybe a
Speaker 1: song comes on at the perfect moment, and it feels
Speaker 1: like the universe is djy in your life. Most of
Speaker 1: us write it off, or we believe it for ten
Speaker 1: seconds and then talk ourselves out of it. Right, But
Speaker 1: what if we're not imagining it? What if we're fluent
Speaker 1: in a language that no one ever taught us. Before
Speaker 1: I share our guest today, I want to give you
Speaker 1: a little honest context about my curer around all of this.
Speaker 1: I saw my first psychic in August of twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 2: I had hit a low point in my life.
Speaker 1: I was acutely depressed, which I've talked about before on
Speaker 1: the pod, And if you have further questions you can
Speaker 1: ping me. I'm happy to answer them. But my heart hurt.
Speaker 1: I felt lonely. I was spinning my wheels in my
Speaker 1: career and people probably didn't know it on the outside,
Speaker 1: but on the inside, I was expending so much time
Speaker 1: and energy and money and seeing very little return on
Speaker 1: my investment. I went to dinner with someone that I
Speaker 1: interviewed on this podcast. Actually she was whip smart, very realistic,
Speaker 1: very pragmatic, someone who I respect a ton, and she
Speaker 1: told me about the psychic. I kind of giggled and
Speaker 1: I was like, you don't believe in psychics, do you?
Speaker 2: Really? She smiled at me, and she shared the name
Speaker 2: of one. She said, if you email her, she might
Speaker 2: not reply, but sometimes she'll reply with very magical emails.
Speaker 2: And there it was.
Speaker 1: I had this woman's email for three months and did
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing with it. My dad would have made so
Speaker 1: much fun of me. He's not into any of that.
Speaker 1: And then one night, around nine pm on a weeknight,
Speaker 1: I hopped on my computer and I wrote an email
Speaker 1: asking if she had an opening. It was like an
Speaker 1: outer body experience. I don't know why. Nothing happened that
Speaker 1: made me do it. And I heard my phone ping
Speaker 1: at two am, and I woke up with truly a
Speaker 1: magical email. She said stuff about my grandfather that nobody
Speaker 1: could have known, wasn't printed anywhere, wasn't in an obituary, nothing.
Speaker 1: I was crying reading it because I was thinking, maybe
Speaker 1: my grandparents really could see me here on Earth. Maybe,
Speaker 1: just maybe I was being guided. Despite being somewhat of
Speaker 1: a skeptic. When I entered this world several years ago,
Speaker 1: I was curious, and the more I experienced, the more
Speaker 1: I believed. Since then, I've talked to some of the biggest, best,
Speaker 1: most renowned psychics in the world, and you've probably heard
Speaker 1: them on this podcast.
Speaker 2: They've been on over the years.
Speaker 1: Crisa Schumacher, Rebecca Rosen, Laura Day, and today we get
Speaker 1: to hear from Laura Lynn Jackson. She is the people's princess.
Speaker 1: Never have I ever seen someone so renowned and so beloved.
Speaker 1: Laura Lynn Jackson is a world renowned psychic medium and.
Speaker 2: Former high school English teacher.
Speaker 1: She's the New York Times bestselling author of The Light
Speaker 1: Between Us and Science. Her new book, Guided became an
Speaker 1: instant bestseller. It's teaching you not just that the universe
Speaker 1: communicates with you, but how to recognize and trust it.
Speaker 3: We are all psychics, and we are all mediums. We
Speaker 3: just don't own that gift about ourselves. And that's where
Speaker 3: I liked Manna remind us that it's there for each person,
Speaker 3: and nobody needs to go to a psychic medium to
Speaker 3: access it.
Speaker 2: We all have it at its core.
Speaker 1: It's a guide to living life in partnership with the
Speaker 1: unseen without outsourcing your power.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Laura's message is simple, when you reconnect to your intuition,
Speaker 1: life stops feeling random and starts feeling guided. And in
Speaker 1: this episode we get into what Laura Lyn Jackson things
Speaker 1: happens when someone dies, why relationships can actually deepen after
Speaker 1: they cross, soul groups, twin flames, soulmates, why some people
Speaker 1: feel like you've known them for lifetimes, and how to
Speaker 1: spot when a psychic is full of it.
Speaker 2: I had to ask.
Speaker 1: So the question we're circling today is what if intuition
Speaker 1: isn't mystical? What if it's a skill we've just forgotten
Speaker 1: how to use. It's time to question everything with Laura
Speaker 1: Lynn Jackson. Now, your job is definitely part teacher to
Speaker 1: show the other side is there. And you say that
Speaker 1: it's our job to cultivate those relationships that we don't
Speaker 1: actually need you.
Speaker 2: That is so wild? Is that true? Like we can
Speaker 2: really tap into our spirit guides.
Speaker 3: One hundred percenturro We all have these abilities. I think
Speaker 3: we just have learned as we were growing up and
Speaker 3: starting formal schooling to retrain the areas of our brain
Speaker 3: that we're using and to deny our abilities. There's unseen
Speaker 3: energy going on around us at all times, and we
Speaker 3: are all intuitive, we are all psychics, and we are
Speaker 3: all mediums. We just don't own that gift about ourselves.
Speaker 3: And that's where I like to come in and remind
Speaker 3: us that it's there for each person and nobody needs
Speaker 3: to go to a psychic medium to access it. We
Speaker 3: all have it.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking about all of your books because
Speaker 1: the Light between Us was definitely geared toward people who
Speaker 1: have lost children or pets. It was so gorgeous, and
Speaker 1: I think that Signs was more of like a workshop
Speaker 1: or toolbook.
Speaker 2: What is guides?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I love that you recognize that about the
Speaker 3: book so far. You know, I was a high school
Speaker 3: English teacher for almost twenty years, and I feel that
Speaker 3: my team of light was actually training me in a
Speaker 3: classroom to understand how to fully teach this to the world. Right. So,
Speaker 3: I think one of the things you do as a
Speaker 3: teacher is you model what's possible for students and then
Speaker 3: you say, now you try it. And you see if
Speaker 3: that becomes your truth. And so I think the light
Speaker 3: between us was really about my journey into understanding these
Speaker 3: abilities that I have, and in doing that, understanding they
Speaker 3: belong to all of us, and kind of modeling what
Speaker 3: was possible and showing the beautiful lessons I had learned
Speaker 3: along the way. Science is like enough about me, this
Speaker 3: is about you. Here's how you can learn to create
Speaker 3: a language with your team of light on the other side.
Speaker 3: And for me, a team of light is three parts.
Speaker 3: Each person has it. It's God energy, which is this
Speaker 3: force of love that's part of us and guides us daily.
Speaker 3: And then there's spirit guides, which throughout time and history
Speaker 3: different religions will refer to as guardian angels. It's this
Speaker 3: concept of an advanced angelic realm that guides its. We
Speaker 3: each have spirit guides, very unique individuals nobody we knew
Speaker 3: this lifetime. And then the third part of our team
Speaker 3: of light is our loved ones who have who guide us,
Speaker 3: and our pet who have crossed, and also our ancestors,
Speaker 3: some that we didn't need still watch over and guide us.
Speaker 3: And so Signs is all about opening to that language,
Speaker 3: that doorway for that is within right and getting this
Speaker 3: tangible two way language back and forth so that we
Speaker 3: can communicate. Now, Guided is taking a step further because
Speaker 3: guided says, Okay, we've gotten over the fear of our
Speaker 3: own abilities, right, and we've learned to trust that we
Speaker 3: can connect and communicate it. We've gotten proof of that
Speaker 3: through creating this language of signs with our teams of
Speaker 3: light on the other side. So that's when the magic happens.
Speaker 3: When you have conquered fear and doubt. Right now, I'm
Speaker 3: trusting the signs, your whole world opens up and you
Speaker 3: can be so incredibly guided onto your highest path. Guided
Speaker 3: is really about a state of being. It's about a mindset.
Speaker 3: It's about saying, I'm opening my heart and my mind
Speaker 3: to realizing I'm not here on this life path myself,
Speaker 3: that i am so beloved, i am so supported, and
Speaker 3: i am so guided by a team of light on
Speaker 3: the other side, and I'm going to pay attention to that.
Speaker 3: I'm going to make sure to create space for that
Speaker 3: in my life, because I think when we live a
Speaker 3: guided life, we're not just changing our own paths, we
Speaker 3: are affecting countless other people because our lives are all
Speaker 3: intertwined so it can be so magical when you embrace that.
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about this team of light a lot.
Speaker 1: I've heard other people refer to it as soul packs.
Speaker 1: If that's how the audience has heard it before. I've
Speaker 1: read this in different books. I'd love for you to
Speaker 1: sort of clarify for me. I've heard that our spirit
Speaker 1: guides are our team of light. We travel from life
Speaker 1: to life together. So like my dad could have been
Speaker 1: the mayor of my town in a past life.
Speaker 2: Is that accurate?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'll share with you what my team of light,
Speaker 3: what the other side has taught me over the many
Speaker 3: decades I've been doing this. You know. Let me start
Speaker 3: by saying, I was raised Lutheran. So my first concept
Speaker 3: of God was a white man with a white beard
Speaker 3: and a white robe, right, being very loving. And I
Speaker 3: think that's a very valid understanding and vehicle. But I
Speaker 3: think my understanding of how loved and guided and kind
Speaker 3: of what God energy is has expanded, and I think
Speaker 3: that this is what I've been told. And this is
Speaker 3: going to turn my brain in a pretzel to just
Speaker 3: try to explain this, because right now, when we're here
Speaker 3: on our school, we're locked into our little monkey minds.
Speaker 3: It's this frontal lobe that meditation teachers call the monkey
Speaker 3: mind that chatters, right, But that frontal lobe's in charge
Speaker 3: of analytical thinking, critical thinking, math, language skills, all the
Speaker 3: day to day stuff you need. We start to get
Speaker 3: locked in it between age five and seven, like kindergarten,
Speaker 3: first grade, second grade, which is why we distance ourselves
Speaker 3: from our abilities. But what it also does is it
Speaker 3: teaches us to just pay attention to, like the materialistic
Speaker 3: paradigm of belief. Right, So we're kind of stuck in that.
Speaker 3: What I'm about to explain is a little hard to
Speaker 3: process in that part of our brains, right. But what
Speaker 3: they've told me is this everything is really happening all
Speaker 3: at once, that our existence is here on our school.
Speaker 3: It's a collective lesson and in love, and so we're
Speaker 3: always intertwined with other people's paths. And when you're like,
Speaker 3: how could this happen? How does this make sense? The
Speaker 3: answer is always about love. It's about helping grow love,
Speaker 3: or helping people access love or challenge themselves to be
Speaker 3: more loving, whatever that might be. And that's why when
Speaker 3: we look at our own lives, right, it's really hard
Speaker 3: to assess our failures or what we see as successes,
Speaker 3: because there might be a whole other spiritual context for that.
Speaker 3: What we're deeming a failure was like our soul's greatest
Speaker 3: success here. So there's that, right, But everything's all at once. Now.
Speaker 3: They do tell me that we come in soul groups.
Speaker 3: So have you ever met someone and you're like, I know,
Speaker 3: I just met you, but like I know you, you
Speaker 3: have this familiarity, Like that's soul group recognition, right, And
Speaker 3: our little dunce capt brains are keeping us from remembering,
Speaker 3: like our soul connection, that the other side is our
Speaker 3: true home, that you know, this is really a school
Speaker 3: for souls. Like we think we're separate from one another,
Speaker 3: we're not, right. So I do feel that we come
Speaker 3: here in different lifetimes as well, but it's all at once,
Speaker 3: and we look at time as linear here, you know,
Speaker 3: like almost as a canvas that progresses. But that's not
Speaker 3: what quantum physics seems to say when it does its test. Like,
Speaker 3: if you really want to go on a deep dive,
Speaker 3: look up the theory of retro causality, and what you're
Speaker 3: going to find is that it unequivocally proves in a scientific,
Speaker 3: well studied way that yes, we know the past affects
Speaker 3: the future, but it proves that the future actually affects
Speaker 3: the past. How does that make sense? Right? If time
Speaker 3: is linear, it can't make sense. If everything is all
Speaker 3: at once, it can. There's some really fascinating studies around
Speaker 3: that too. So I think we come back in soul groups.
Speaker 3: I think we can play different roles for each other.
Speaker 3: And here's the truth that I feel, we're always really
Speaker 3: on the other side. Have you ever done a virtual
Speaker 3: reality like with the goggles and like that whole setup.
Speaker 3: It feels like you're really there experiencing it, but you're
Speaker 3: really not. You're standing somewhere else. And I feel like
Speaker 3: what they've shown me is we're never separate from those
Speaker 3: we love because our soul essence is always on the
Speaker 3: other side together. And then we've beamed down in these
Speaker 3: you know, virtual reality lives to learn lessons in collective love.
Speaker 3: So I think that one of the falsehoods that our
Speaker 3: brain tricks us into thinking is that we're separate.
Speaker 1: I could be misinterpreting what you said, but it kind
Speaker 1: of sounds like you feel like we're here in a
Speaker 1: simulation a little bit the way Elon Musk does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think it, But I also think, like,
Speaker 3: who's to say what a simulation is. If you think
Speaker 3: about these physical bodies we have, right, it's kind of
Speaker 3: like getting in a car and driving somewhere, getting to
Speaker 3: a destination, getting out, you leave the car there, you're
Speaker 3: still very much present. So I think what I'm really
Speaker 3: saying is that we are spirits, We are souls in
Speaker 3: physical bodies right now having this human experience, and it's
Speaker 3: not just for our own learning about love, it's to
Speaker 3: also foster and help other people. So yeah, I do
Speaker 3: think that this is kind of like a virtual reality
Speaker 3: experience in that same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what are these guides guiding us towards? Is
Speaker 1: it our own inclinations and wants or are they able
Speaker 1: to see sort of the bigger plan.
Speaker 3: It's a much bigger plan. And I think sometimes here
Speaker 3: on Earth we have such a myopic view and we
Speaker 3: might be like saying, please make this happen for me, please,
Speaker 3: But our guides know that if they make that happen
Speaker 3: for us, like something awful will happen on our path
Speaker 3: four months later and they have to avoid that roadblock
Speaker 3: that's coming. So they're like Oh, it's gonna be really
Speaker 3: disappointed about this one, but we've got to block it,
Speaker 3: and we're none the wiser, and then we get upset
Speaker 3: and we feel like the universe has forgotten about us
Speaker 3: or whatever. Like what I do know and what has
Speaker 3: been driven home for me is whatever is happening to
Speaker 3: you is happening for you. And I think that could
Speaker 3: be really hard to understand when it comes to loss
Speaker 3: or grief or things like that. But I can only
Speaker 3: tell you what the other side tells me, which is
Speaker 3: it's all about love. And truly, the only lessons we're
Speaker 3: meant to learn here is any opportunity we have to
Speaker 3: give love or receive it. That's it. And our true
Speaker 3: currency is supposed to be like kindness, empathy, forgiveness, gratitude,
Speaker 3: and love. If you are living by those standards, if
Speaker 3: that's what you're doing in your daily life, no matter
Speaker 3: how small you might think your little world is or
Speaker 3: how large you're acing your time here, you just are.
Speaker 3: And so our guides are always trying to help us
Speaker 3: get on our highest paths. Sometimes they'll put thoughts in
Speaker 3: our mind, like don't go that way home, take the
Speaker 3: longer way. A lot of times it'll be counterintuitively, be like,
Speaker 3: why would I do that only to find out if
Speaker 3: we had gone the other way home there was an
Speaker 3: accident or the road was closed. They are constantly trying
Speaker 3: to help us. I will also say it's the least
Speaker 3: complicated relationship any of us will ever have, because if
Speaker 3: we ignore our spirit guides, they don't get offended. They
Speaker 3: just circle back and try again. They're just there to
Speaker 3: support and love. There's like nothing we need to do.
Speaker 3: I think they love when we're more open to the guidance.
Speaker 3: I think they love when we pay attention to our
Speaker 3: own psychic and intuitive ability. As I'm always talking about
Speaker 3: the four players that we all come here with, right,
Speaker 3: so when we open to those, they can communicate more
Speaker 3: clearly with us. They can help us get on our
Speaker 3: highest path in a much easier way. They can help
Speaker 3: us sometimes glimpse the bigger picture that we were failing
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 1: When I posted that I was going to interview you,
Speaker 1: I got so many interesting questions from people, but one
Speaker 1: that came over and over again were the signs that
Speaker 1: you just mentioned.
Speaker 2: People really want clarity on.
Speaker 1: How to ask for the signs, what the signs are,
Speaker 1: and also is there ever a sign that is too
Speaker 1: small or feels like a coincidence. For instance, you're shaking
Speaker 1: your head. No, But I'll just give an example. There's
Speaker 1: been moments in my life where I'm not even really
Speaker 1: asking for a sign.
Speaker 2: Something will happen and then a song.
Speaker 1: On the radio comes on and the same word I
Speaker 1: was thinking about is in that song, like in a
Speaker 1: repetitive way. Yes, that could have been a coincidence or
Speaker 1: it could have been a sign. And I'm always a
Speaker 1: little speculative, and so i don't know what to make
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: Can you share what your thoughts are?
Speaker 3: That's such a great question to explore here. So just
Speaker 3: the example you gave, right, you're thinking something and the
Speaker 3: exact lines the words come in a song. What that
Speaker 3: would really be showing you is how in sync and
Speaker 3: in flow of light of the universe you are, that
Speaker 3: you're not separate and on your own, that there is
Speaker 3: a team listening and with you and showing up and
Speaker 3: showing you there present. So here's what I always say.
Speaker 3: If you have this moment in your thoughts where you're like,
Speaker 3: I think that was a sign, it is. Here's why
Speaker 3: we're always getting trapped with this little monkey mind. It chatters,
Speaker 3: and it's only based in like tangible like if you
Speaker 3: can't see it, touch it, taste, I feel it, it
Speaker 3: doesn't exist. It doesn't want to talk about unseen energy.
Speaker 3: It doesn't want to talk about the connections between all things. Right,
Speaker 3: So if we get this little moment where we're able
Speaker 3: to like jail break our monkey mind for a brief
Speaker 3: second and be like, I think that was a sign
Speaker 3: pay careful attention, because if you're able to do that,
Speaker 3: that means you're recognizing the spiritual. Now, what happened when
Speaker 3: we have spiritual experiences is oftentimes our monkey mind will
Speaker 3: like slam them down. It'll say it's a coincidence. Stop
Speaker 3: being foolish, don't tell anyone about this. Then you'll be
Speaker 3: laughed at. Right, he tells you all sorts of really
Speaker 3: mean things, and why it's trying to control the narrative
Speaker 3: and not let you access that part of yourselves. I
Speaker 3: think also because ninety eight percent of our brain weigh
Speaker 3: activity in our waking hours takes place exclusively in that
Speaker 3: frontal lobe, so we're really stuck in it during waking hours.
Speaker 3: It's interesting to talk about sleep too, and like dream visitations,
Speaker 3: by people on the other side and like why that happens,
Speaker 3: and precognitive dreams and all of that. Do you know,
Speaker 3: like the scientists who were working on how to save
Speaker 3: people with diabetes dreamt about insulin like they got that
Speaker 3: answer in a dream. Famous musicians have woken up with
Speaker 3: songs that became so famous and helped and healed so
Speaker 3: many people playing in their minds, Like we go somewhere
Speaker 3: else when we dream, but in our waking hours we're
Speaker 3: stuck here. Right, So let's talk about how to really
Speaker 3: open our minds and hearts to recognize the signs. You
Speaker 3: did when you have that moment in the car, you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's odd, I think that could be a sign. What
Speaker 3: should happen right after that is your monkey mind should
Speaker 3: tell you it's not because there's always going to be
Speaker 3: a wrestling match. But what you do is you just
Speaker 3: like surrender the experience and own it. You tell your
Speaker 3: monkey mind to sit down and be quiet. What I
Speaker 3: love to teach people to do, though, is if you
Speaker 3: have a moment where you're like, I think that was
Speaker 3: a sign? Was it? Get more specific? Ask the other
Speaker 3: side to show you louder or show you more so
Speaker 3: let's talk a little bit about the signs that the
Speaker 3: other side sends you without you asking, what I call
Speaker 3: default signs, and then a way that you can co
Speaker 3: create this language. So I think what's really important for
Speaker 3: our loved ones when they cross or our guides or
Speaker 3: God energy to let us know their present is to
Speaker 3: get our attention. So I have found that there are
Speaker 3: certain default signs that they will use to get our
Speaker 3: attention to jail break our little monkey mind for a
Speaker 3: moment and go wait, there's something much more magical going
Speaker 3: on here. And so the first I want to talk about,
Speaker 3: which happens for a lot of people, is coins. They'll
Speaker 3: be thinking about somebody, it'll be a special day, they'll
Speaker 3: be going on a trip, whatever it might be, and
Speaker 3: they find a coin in their path, and at the
Speaker 3: same time they have this sense of I feel like
Speaker 3: this is my team of light, or somebody on my
Speaker 3: team of light sending this to me. And I always say,
Speaker 3: pick up the coin and look at the date, because
Speaker 3: there might be a whole second message in it too.
Speaker 3: But why do they send coins? Well, I think they're
Speaker 3: shining and get our attention, so it's easy to do.
Speaker 3: But I also think when we leave our physical bodies,
Speaker 3: we are light energy. That's what we are. And if
Speaker 3: you actually want to dive into the quantum physics of
Speaker 3: that is actually what we are. When you break down
Speaker 3: like our physical bodies into organs into atoms, break the
Speaker 3: atoms into electrons, protons, neutrons, break those down further to
Speaker 3: a quantum level, we are just light. And what's really
Speaker 3: interesting in science is that the fingerprint of God, if
Speaker 3: you will, is when things, rather than heading towards chaos
Speaker 3: and entropy, all of a sudden, start patterns patterning together.
Speaker 3: And that's what light does. It starts forming patterns that
Speaker 3: form into atoms, that form into sills and bodies and
Speaker 3: all of these things. We're actually not solid beings. But
Speaker 3: that's a whole other tangent to go on. But I
Speaker 3: think it's easy for us, when we return to light form,
Speaker 3: to manipulate small metallic objects. That's why coins are in
Speaker 3: our path a lot. Another thing they love to do
Speaker 3: to let us know they're around is manipulate electronics, so
Speaker 3: flickering lights, turning TV on and off. They'll still do that,
Speaker 3: but they love that. We have cell phones now, so
Speaker 3: pay attention if you're ever texting someone and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, the word in the textbox changes to a
Speaker 3: totally different word. Pay attention when you get a phone
Speaker 3: call on it maybe a special day or a certain day,
Speaker 3: and there's no return number. Like, they will do all
Speaker 3: sorts of things to get our attention. Sometimes they'll make
Speaker 3: the electronics go wonky, they'll just like make a call
Speaker 3: drop or whatever it might be. But it's all to
Speaker 3: get our attention so that we realize that they're around.
Speaker 3: And then the third thing that they like to do
Speaker 3: a lot is send creatures that navigate our world using
Speaker 3: electromagnetic fields. So birds of all forms like you know, hummingbirds, eagles, cardinals,
Speaker 3: you name it, deer, fox, ladybugs, dragonfly.
Speaker 1: Well, what does it mean if they send one of
Speaker 1: those creatures or a coin life, especially if you didn't
Speaker 1: ask for it.
Speaker 3: They're showing us that. First of all, it's like a
Speaker 3: hug and a kiss and a hello, I love you
Speaker 3: from the other side. Because here's the thing, they don't
Speaker 3: have voice boxes to do that anymore. They don't have
Speaker 3: arms to hug us, so they find new ways to communicate.
Speaker 3: It's a reminder that we're never alone on our journey.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's also encouragement. I know a lot of people who,
Speaker 3: let's say they've lost a loved one and they're going
Speaker 3: on the vacation for the first time without their loved one.
Speaker 3: They'll find a coin with their loved one's birthday on it,
Speaker 3: and what that's showing them is like, I'm still here
Speaker 3: with you, right. So it's like they'll send their names,
Speaker 3: they'll send lookalikes, pay attention to what you see on
Speaker 3: license plates. They'll do all these things to show you
Speaker 3: that there is more than meets the eye here in
Speaker 3: our physical existence. But the most magical part of co
Speaker 3: creating a language is when you ask for specific things back.
Speaker 3: They love a challenge, and I think that we really
Speaker 3: need to own that and have that experience for it
Speaker 3: to become our truth, right, because otherwise we're always like,
Speaker 3: h questioning or what could that be? So I always
Speaker 3: tell people to start by creating a language of four
Speaker 3: different signs you can use. The first one I say
Speaker 3: is pick a creature. It could be any creature that
Speaker 3: pops into your mind. Then I'm like, make it a
Speaker 3: little different, because what's going to happen when you get
Speaker 3: your sign is your monkey mind's going to tell you
Speaker 3: it's a coincidence. Try to reject it. So the wackier
Speaker 3: you make it, the more specific you make it, the
Speaker 3: more you have to own it. So that's why I'm
Speaker 3: always saying, don't just ask for an elephant, ask for
Speaker 3: a purple elephant, or like ask for a platypus, or
Speaker 3: like some different animal, or a giraffe with a red bow,
Speaker 3: whatever it might be. Make it unique. That's one way.
Speaker 3: And I'm also wanting to say a really important step
Speaker 3: to doing this is writing it down somewhere. So that
Speaker 3: could be in the note section of your phone, or
Speaker 3: it could be journaling, whatever it is. I think it's
Speaker 3: really important. So you when you get your sign and
Speaker 3: you're like, no, I have proof. I ask for that look,
Speaker 3: and I got it in these four ways. You know.
Speaker 3: I always say ask for a number sequence, because although
Speaker 3: I was an English teacher and I was kind of
Speaker 3: allergic to math, I have great respect for math, and
Speaker 3: I've been shown that the way this whole kind of
Speaker 3: virtual reality paradigm works is through mathematical equations. Right. Everything's
Speaker 3: sort of mathmatically inclined, So I think it's very easy
Speaker 3: for them to get number sequences to us and for
Speaker 3: a lot of people listening, you probably have one that's
Speaker 3: kind of followed you in your life already, Like some
Speaker 3: people have eleven eleven four four four, or just like
Speaker 3: certain numbers, they'll like always see on the clock, or
Speaker 3: like they'll always hear whatever this is. And then also
Speaker 3: pick a phrase. It could be any phrase you want,
Speaker 3: or one that just you know, pops in your mind,
Speaker 3: or one that was important to you from your childhood.
Speaker 3: And then pick a song. And they love communicating through songs.
Speaker 3: And I know you've had that experience already, right, but
Speaker 3: you've now given them four ways to communicate back with you.
Speaker 3: And you can build on this language at any time.
Speaker 3: It's like if you wanted to learn a foreign language
Speaker 3: and you had four words, that's a great start. But
Speaker 3: let's keep building, let's learn more.
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing all of that.
Speaker 1: I oscillate between full believer and total skeptic, and I
Speaker 1: actually think it's healthy, and I think that's how you
Speaker 1: are actually I am.
Speaker 3: You know, it's so funny. I don't consider myself woo woo,
Speaker 3: and I'm a huge skeptic even when I came to
Speaker 3: terms with my abilities and even like how I know
Speaker 3: what I get is real and authentic, and I know
Speaker 3: it has meaning for all of us, that we all
Speaker 3: have it. But I'm always raising my hand and signing
Speaker 3: up for every scientific study I can do where they're
Speaker 3: mapping my brain, they're seeing what my brain waves do,
Speaker 3: Like how am I accessing this? How can we all
Speaker 3: access it? And I think it's so great to be
Speaker 3: skeptical in life. I think that's so important. I would
Speaker 3: never want somebody to listen to me and my experiences
Speaker 3: and be like, that's it. I believe we're good. No, like,
Speaker 3: listen to my experiences because you've been guided to hear me, right.
Speaker 3: But it's a doorway that is being offered to you
Speaker 3: within yourself to go explore that and test it. Go
Speaker 3: test it, because I'm going to tell you it's going
Speaker 3: to work. Like if you get a sign and you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: I want another one, You're going to get another one
Speaker 3: and it becomes your own truth. And I was raised
Speaker 3: by two high school English teachers, and they taught me
Speaker 3: to be a critical thinker, and a critical thinker question
Speaker 3: everything and goes on a journey is like a seeker
Speaker 3: in life to find answers. And I think it's so
Speaker 3: healthy and good to always keep that mindset.
Speaker 2: I love that you use the word seeker.
Speaker 1: That's what I always call all of the really smart
Speaker 1: people that listen to this podcast. I think they're constantly
Speaker 1: seeking for better for better relationships, better careers, all of that.
Speaker 2: I also love when.
Speaker 1: You talk about your first experience with your psychic abilities,
Speaker 1: mostly because you say that your mom embraced you so beautifully, so.
Speaker 2: Kindly, and she kind of shared that this ability ran
Speaker 2: in your family. And I'm curious what it is that.
Speaker 1: You see when you read somebody's energy at first? Do
Speaker 1: you see a color, do you feel a vibe?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, whenever I'm reading for somebody, first of all,
Speaker 3: I think I'm always reading psychically. That part is always
Speaker 3: on and always open, and reading psychically does not drain
Speaker 3: my energy. It helps me navigate my world, honestly. So
Speaker 3: it's like a volume switch, you know, it's probably on
Speaker 3: a five most of the time. And then if I'm
Speaker 3: doing or reading and I want to look at someone's energy,
Speaker 3: I'll turn it all the way up and I'll go
Speaker 3: like retrieve or reach into their energy field, their aura,
Speaker 3: like what scientists call a biofield. Same thing or a biofield.
Speaker 3: We just have two different names for it. So I
Speaker 3: think that's always on and working. And even if I'm
Speaker 3: going to do a mediumship reading, I first dive in
Speaker 3: psychically to make that connection. So the very first time,
Speaker 3: like i'll read for somebody, or if I'm meeting somebody,
Speaker 3: I usually will experience them in a color. And if
Speaker 3: I'm doing like this in depth reading for them, I'll
Speaker 3: be shown what I call a core or like core
Speaker 3: core aura by their spirit guides, and it's really a
Speaker 3: blueprint for their soul's mission this lifetime. So I'll see
Speaker 3: the gifts they came in with, like maybe some of
Speaker 3: the sole challenges they're meant to face while here, like
Speaker 3: how they're doing with things. So much information, but it's
Speaker 3: really interesting, I think, like to the person and also
Speaker 3: to me understanding their energy.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the way you talk about creativity. I
Speaker 1: watched this interview that you did online. I think it
Speaker 1: was with a psychotherapist in New York and you were
Speaker 1: on stage. It was live k Epstein, Yes, on YouTube.
Speaker 3: It's great. He's wonderful. He's just magical.
Speaker 2: He is, but so are you.
Speaker 1: It was your energy together and you said you see
Speaker 1: creativity as orange. I love when you talk about the
Speaker 1: purpose of art and creativity in our world. You say
Speaker 1: that creativity is a form of divine communication.
Speaker 2: Can you share more about that? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: First, let me just say when I do read colors
Speaker 3: and energy, Yes, the color orange for me shows me
Speaker 3: that of the person's an artists, that they have artistic ability,
Speaker 3: that they have a deep appreciation for art. Right, But
Speaker 3: we all have that to some degree, we just have
Speaker 3: to open to it more sometimes. But what I do
Speaker 3: know is any time we open to our creative our
Speaker 3: artistic abilities in any form, we are in direct communication
Speaker 3: with the other side. No artist ever works alone. So
Speaker 3: if you want to open your energy, and you want
Speaker 3: to connect with your team of light, and you want
Speaker 3: divine inspiration, just make space in your life to create.
Speaker 3: You do not need to be an expert. You just
Speaker 3: need to go into that energy field and do it. So,
Speaker 3: whether that means creating space to journal or rite, going
Speaker 3: to a pottery class, going to do some painting, listening
Speaker 3: to music, singing the lyrics to a song, whatever, this is,
Speaker 3: going to a museum and witnessing art, going to a
Speaker 3: movie and drinking it in anytime we experience art, or
Speaker 3: even better create or open to a creative state ourselves,
Speaker 3: we are in divine connection and magical things can happen.
Speaker 3: And one of the things they told me too, is
Speaker 3: it's not about what we're producing, it's about the experience
Speaker 3: of connection we're having. And I think our society teaches
Speaker 3: all the wrong things. It teaches like, unless you are
Speaker 3: going to be a professional singer, don't bother. Unless you
Speaker 3: have these great gifts to paint, and somebody's going to
Speaker 3: want to pay you a lot of money for your painting,
Speaker 3: don't bother. And that is the exact opposite of true.
Speaker 3: If you look at societies where great breakthroughs have happened,
Speaker 3: they have thrived, they have come together, it's always during renaissance.
Speaker 3: It's always when the arts are valued. And so I
Speaker 3: think opening to that and for each of us to
Speaker 3: understand that we have an inner creative, we have an
Speaker 3: inner artist, and it's time to let that out and
Speaker 3: to play and create space for that, it will make
Speaker 3: our lives brighter in always.
Speaker 1: Now, there's something I've heard Rick Rubin talk about that
Speaker 1: feels connected to this that i'd love your opinion on,
Speaker 1: which is he says like, if we get a download
Speaker 1: of an idea creatively and we don't make that thing,
Speaker 1: you will usually see it made in another month, in
Speaker 1: another year, whenever, because somebody else gets that download. You're
Speaker 1: in like sort of the cultural current. What do you
Speaker 1: think about that?
Speaker 3: I love that concept, and it kind of shows how
Speaker 3: interconnected we all are. So what I love first of
Speaker 3: all is that all of us use the same word download.
Speaker 3: You can listen to interviews from all different people in
Speaker 3: all different walks of life, and they're all saying the
Speaker 3: same thing. I gotta download. I gotta download because it
Speaker 3: happens not in earth time, but like boom, in this
Speaker 3: like divine kind of space that's outside of our linear time. Right.
Speaker 3: I feel like we are all in constant connection with
Speaker 3: one another and with some greater good. And when we
Speaker 3: open to the other side, yes, there's a whole teams
Speaker 3: up there that are trying to help humanity, help us progress,
Speaker 3: help us be creative, help us thrive, And so we
Speaker 3: might all be tapping in to the same sort of
Speaker 3: message that humanity is supposed to get for right now.
Speaker 3: But it's the ones that create the space to honor
Speaker 3: that and bring it through that's important. Like, one thing
Speaker 3: I know about being here on earth is that we
Speaker 3: should all strive to be what I call light workers.
Speaker 3: And a light worker is somebody who finds whatever gifts
Speaker 3: they gain programmed here for themselves, like we're all unique, right,
Speaker 3: and then honors those gifts and then shares them with
Speaker 3: others and then helps encourage others to find their own
Speaker 3: unique gifts and share it. And so it's this beautiful
Speaker 3: chain of light. And I think that when we pay
Speaker 3: attention to our downloads and we create space for it,
Speaker 3: we become a vehicle for others to learn and embrace
Speaker 3: that too.
Speaker 1: What do you think happens when we ignore those creative nudges?
Speaker 1: Do they disappear and do they go to somebody else?
Speaker 1: Or do they keep knocking until we listen?
Speaker 3: Well, I think if it's something we maybe spiritually signed
Speaker 3: up for, they keep knocking. You know. I can tell
Speaker 3: you from my own experience that my gifts were like
Speaker 3: very pronounced and they overwhelmed me in my early twenties
Speaker 3: where I said to the other side, like I am
Speaker 3: not ready for this, Like the first time I was
Speaker 3: doing a reading and like mediumship happened. I was like,
Speaker 3: what is going on, like I am not ready for this,
Speaker 3: and then people were showing up at my apartment and
Speaker 3: like wanting read it. I was like, this is not
Speaker 3: okay with me. I want to be a high schooling
Speaker 3: this teacher. I'm not doing this, and they were like, okay,
Speaker 3: we'll circle back, and they did. The moment I had
Speaker 3: my first daughter, it's like all my abilities turned up
Speaker 3: and I got this download that told me, Okay, we've
Speaker 3: given you time, this is your journey. Now, this is
Speaker 3: your path, and I had to honor it. So I
Speaker 3: think that for some people, if you have this kind
Speaker 3: of spiritual contract you've signed with the other side, that
Speaker 3: this is something you agreed to do, it will just
Speaker 3: stay in your energy field until you do it. And
Speaker 3: for others it might be like, hey, do you want
Speaker 3: to take this mission or should we get you for
Speaker 3: another one later. I'll also tell you there are times
Speaker 3: I've done readings for people and I'll say to them,
Speaker 3: there's a book waiting to be written, but it's not
Speaker 3: on a timeline. You could do it next year, you
Speaker 3: could do it in seven years. This is not going
Speaker 3: to go away. Or I might see that there's something
Speaker 3: they're supposed to help out with here on earth. It
Speaker 3: might be a philanthropic you know, outreach for something, or
Speaker 3: it might be a certain theme about what they're doing.
Speaker 3: And I'll see, like they get to decide it's sometimes
Speaker 3: in the next like seven years, they could choose when.
Speaker 3: So it's really dependent on if it's something that's part
Speaker 3: of your soul journey to directly experienced, or it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: if you have time, will you do this for humanity?
Speaker 1: So I've had psychic readings before from several people, some
Speaker 1: multiple with the same person, and I found that there
Speaker 1: were a lot of things that came true that were
Speaker 1: very specific and definitely added to my deep belief. And
Speaker 1: then there were some things that didn't happen or haven't
Speaker 1: happened yet. And I do believe that you have like
Speaker 1: free will and that plays a role in our lives.
Speaker 2: Are there multiple.
Speaker 1: Lives that we can live and based on our decisions
Speaker 1: we go down different paths?
Speaker 2: Or how does that work?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I feel like those are really beautiful questions
Speaker 3: that you're exploring, right, And I think there's almost like
Speaker 3: two different questions in there. So the first one I
Speaker 3: want to address is what happens when you have a
Speaker 3: reading with somebody, and some things are just like so
Speaker 3: specific and they happened spot on this way they said
Speaker 3: they were, and then others like, don't happen what goes
Speaker 3: on there? What I've learned from the other side is
Speaker 3: that free will trumps everything. And I want you to
Speaker 3: think about if we were looking at like maybe a
Speaker 3: ball rolling down the street right and it was like
Speaker 3: rolling in a straight line, and we're like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: going to end up, you know, at the end of
Speaker 3: the street there, But all of a sudden, the breeze
Speaker 3: came and now it's rolling just ever so slightly to
Speaker 3: the left. What's eventually going to happen is going to
Speaker 3: curve in a new direction. And I think that what
Speaker 3: we fail to understand too, is that we are all
Speaker 3: part of each other's journey at all times, and so
Speaker 3: we might be headed in a certain direction, but then
Speaker 3: it might be like for the highest good, if we
Speaker 3: would help this person learn their soul lesson by being
Speaker 3: a catalyst or a vehicle or maybe modeling something in
Speaker 3: the world for them to notice and learn from. Maybe
Speaker 3: we agree to it, and so maybe where we were
Speaker 3: going to end up changes, but it's still for the
Speaker 3: greatest good.
Speaker 2: So you can't block your own blessings.
Speaker 3: I don't think you can ever block your own blessings,
Speaker 3: but I think that you can take sometimes winding journeys
Speaker 3: to them. I think that sometimes if we tune out
Speaker 3: of our spiritual selves, if we don't honor our knowings.
Speaker 3: You know the four Claire's clairvoyance, which is clear seeing, clear, audience,
Speaker 3: which is clear hearings when you hear a thought that
Speaker 3: comes to you. Clairvoyance is like dreaming your eyes are
Speaker 3: closed what you're seeing. Claire cognizance is clear knowing, where
Speaker 3: you just know something in every ounce of your being.
Speaker 3: And clare sentience is like clear feeling where you're feeling energy.
Speaker 3: So if we're having information given to us in that
Speaker 3: way and we choose to ignore it, we're purposely choosing
Speaker 3: not to be on our highest path. Like to be
Speaker 3: in a state of being open to those abilities and
Speaker 3: being guided by them will always get us on our
Speaker 3: highest path, whatever that is. So do I think that
Speaker 3: somebody could say, like, right now, this is going to happen,
Speaker 3: but if you make a different decision, like next Tuesday,
Speaker 3: a different outcome can happen. Absolutely, But there's going to
Speaker 3: be a different theme, you know, or a different understanding.
Speaker 3: So that was the first part and then the second
Speaker 3: part you had was like, Okay, can there be different
Speaker 3: realities that are happening? And I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: that's probably valid. I think our soul experiences things in
Speaker 3: different ways. You probably heard the term like timeline jumping.
Speaker 3: That's what that refers to you, which is this concept
Speaker 3: of like, Okay, we kind of veer off into this experience,
Speaker 3: but there's another version of that experience where everything worked
Speaker 3: out great or as happy, or like vice versa. Right,
Speaker 3: Why because we want to experience things in all ways,
Speaker 3: Like our soul seeks understanding, and we understand love more
Speaker 3: greatly by also understanding loss. Right, it's like the collective
Speaker 3: coming together in love that matters. So I always feel
Speaker 3: like trust yourself over all things. And it's wonderful to
Speaker 3: have like a reading, but nobody needs it, honestly, because
Speaker 3: if you open that doorway within yourself to create space
Speaker 3: to honor the downloads and the nudges and the knowings
Speaker 3: that you get, you're going to always be on your
Speaker 3: highest path. And when in doubt, you just have to
Speaker 3: figure out which decision is the path of fear and
Speaker 3: which is the path of love, because they can be
Speaker 3: tricky sometimes to differentiate, right, because choosing love is always
Speaker 3: our highest path. So if you're coming up to something
Speaker 3: and you're having like really anxiety thoughts like X y
Speaker 3: Z doesn't happen, I have to do this because God forbid,
Speaker 3: like this might happen. Otherwise that's not a love path.
Speaker 3: A love path is about being like, Okay, this is
Speaker 3: what I'm feeling, to honor it, I'm gonna trust and
Speaker 3: I'm going to move forward.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's beautiful because I at least think about the
Speaker 1: Sliding Doors movie with Gwyneth Paltrow all the time.
Speaker 3: Have you read The Midnight Library. Yes, it's so wonderful.
Speaker 3: It's another like idea of like that our soul is
Speaker 3: learning different lessons in different ways.
Speaker 2: I love that you mentioned loss.
Speaker 1: And so many people's questions from social media were about
Speaker 1: what happens on the other side and how can we
Speaker 1: talk to people on the other side.
Speaker 3: This is where people think they need a psychic medium
Speaker 3: to talk to them. Like even when I do readings,
Speaker 3: they'll say, like, tell my dad I love him, and
Speaker 3: I'm like you have that, Like I'm the third wheel
Speaker 3: anytime we ever direct our thoughts to someone on the
Speaker 3: other side, they hear us one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 3: Anytime we like pray to the other side, it is
Speaker 3: always received. It's not like you'd ever need somebody else
Speaker 3: to help you do that, right, So it's just by
Speaker 3: trusting that you're doing that and having the thoughts. Some
Speaker 3: people like saying things out loud, and that's fine too,
Speaker 3: whatever is comfortable for people, But that communication is there constantly.
Speaker 3: You know. Whenever I do like gallery reading, they come
Speaker 3: in and I see all these chords of life between
Speaker 3: the people who walk in, but I also see chords
Speaker 3: light between them and their loved ones on the other
Speaker 3: side who are present with them. They come with them,
Speaker 3: they leave with them. I'm not the one who's like,
Speaker 3: let me summon them up. They're there. I'm the one
Speaker 3: plugging into it. And that's what I want everybody to know.
Speaker 3: Like that is there for everybody all the time, and
Speaker 3: it's beautiful and relationships strengthen after somebody crosses. The other
Speaker 3: thing is that on the other side, when you cross,
Speaker 3: you do a life review. And it's hard to explain
Speaker 3: because it's like we have linear time here, right, But
Speaker 3: in a millisecond, you're made to understand your entire life,
Speaker 3: not only reliving it from like your own perspective, but
Speaker 3: the perspective of everyone you affected and how you made
Speaker 3: them feel and the changes that happened on their path
Speaker 3: because of you, And it just shifts your whole knowledge
Speaker 3: about what you thought your life was in really beautiful
Speaker 3: ways most of the time. And it also helps get
Speaker 3: people out of being stuck in a mindset like if
Speaker 3: there was any unfinished business, or if the person you
Speaker 3: have had like an alcohol or drug problem or had
Speaker 3: a personality problem where they're just me, you know, like
Speaker 3: they're going to see it different now, And the number
Speaker 3: one thing they always want to do is ask forgiveness
Speaker 3: because they need to take accountability, and they want you
Speaker 3: to know that they might be were misguided on their
Speaker 3: path of understanding love, but they understand it now.
Speaker 1: You've actually given me a lot of peace with that
Speaker 1: because both of my grandpas are past. One I had
Speaker 1: sort of a tougher relationship with and one I was
Speaker 1: very close with, and the one that I had a
Speaker 1: tougher relationship with on Earth, I actually have a much
Speaker 1: nicer relationship with now. And I think about him more
Speaker 1: and I kind of like see his face more and
Speaker 1: it's been so cool, Like I feel like he sort
Speaker 1: of learned a lot on Earth school and can see
Speaker 1: it differently now.
Speaker 3: Exactly and wants to show up for you so profoundly
Speaker 3: now and kind of make up for it. I love
Speaker 3: that relationship strengthen after, like the love does not end,
Speaker 3: it continues and it gets even brighter and stronger and whatever.
Speaker 3: Like the conflict was here, they don't have that there.
Speaker 3: You know, the other side is place of just like
Speaker 3: wisdom and love, connectivity and understanding. And here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Think about it. When you leave your physical body and
Speaker 3: your light and your consciousness returns home to the other side,
Speaker 3: and you are connecting with the consciousness of other beings
Speaker 3: on the other side, but you don't have a physical body.
Speaker 3: You download their whole experiences in a millisecond. And so
Speaker 3: you know how a lot of religions say, like do
Speaker 3: unto others as you do onto yourself. It's true because
Speaker 3: what separates us once we don't have bodies nothing. We're
Speaker 3: actually different leaves on different branches of the same tree.
Speaker 3: This is a collective experience, and I think that's why
Speaker 3: we come to Earth school, because we're only as strong
Speaker 3: as our weakest link. And I think that there are
Speaker 3: some groups that come as teachers, some as healers, some
Speaker 3: as catalysts, some as change agents, you know, to help
Speaker 3: out maybe the souls who are a little stuck or
Speaker 3: need to learn the lesson in new ways.
Speaker 1: I've always felt like each soul has a lot of
Speaker 1: small lessons, but some really big lessons, maybe like two
Speaker 1: or three that we all have. Can you identify that
Speaker 1: in people right away? And how do you think we
Speaker 1: can identify those within ourselves when I do the core.
Speaker 3: Or our readings, and I'll tell you one that seems
Speaker 3: to be a really big one for people if I
Speaker 3: see green and a core or it means like one
Speaker 3: of their soul challenges this lifetime is about embracing change.
Speaker 3: And the way that your soul will be challenged to
Speaker 3: grow is that usually change will happen to you very suddenly,
Speaker 3: at least once or twice a lifetime, where it's nothing
Speaker 3: you caused or did it just like fell in your
Speaker 3: lap and now you had to deal with it, and
Speaker 3: it was all about did you choose the fear path
Speaker 3: but that change or the love path? I don't have
Speaker 3: to be happy about the change, but we do have
Speaker 3: to recognize that what's happening to us is happening for
Speaker 3: us for our soul evolution or for us to be
Speaker 3: a catalyst for others or to like rise in our
Speaker 3: own light. And we have to trust in a high
Speaker 3: your path for ourselves. Right. And then the other change
Speaker 3: test is like things are awkward to you and you
Speaker 3: might be very comfortable where you are in life, and
Speaker 3: you say, like, do I make this change? This is
Speaker 3: going to shift my path And I don't know what's
Speaker 3: around the corner, but I'm feeling pulled to do this
Speaker 3: or I'm feeling called to do this. That's so important
Speaker 3: to choose that love path. So you're tested in different ways.
Speaker 3: I think in a lot of ways, we all are
Speaker 3: tested with that change challenge. Right, So it's about like
Speaker 3: choosing that path of love always.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I've also heard you speak a lot about the first
Speaker 1: breath moment when a soul fully incarnates. I'd love if
Speaker 1: you could kind of walk us through what that means
Speaker 1: and what that looks like, and also how that plays
Speaker 1: a role in how children choose their parents.
Speaker 3: You know, all children choose their parents, and all parents
Speaker 3: choose their children. And you know, sometimes when I'll do
Speaker 3: a reading for a child that has crossed at a
Speaker 3: young age on the other side, one of the first
Speaker 3: things they want to acknowledge and thank their parents for
Speaker 3: and thank their loved ones for was agreeing to let
Speaker 3: them be their child and be with them and be
Speaker 3: loved like that. Because before we get here, we know
Speaker 3: ultimately like, Okay, I know my time with you is
Speaker 3: going to be short, but I'll take whatever I can
Speaker 3: get because my soul loves your soul so much. You know,
Speaker 3: there's this beautiful kind of contract that there. It's really
Speaker 3: really sacred, and I think that it can be really profound.
Speaker 1: This was probably the second most popular question, which was
Speaker 1: our twin flames real? Can you recognize a twin flame connection.
Speaker 3: Like twin flames and soulmates? I think we recognize people
Speaker 3: that are in our soul groups, or that we are
Speaker 3: destined to meet, or that we have a contract to
Speaker 3: play something out with. So do I think that there
Speaker 3: is a concept of twin souls and soulmates. Absolutely, But
Speaker 3: I think sometimes we misunderstand that and we maybe interchange
Speaker 3: the word soulmate with twin soul, and we think there's
Speaker 3: just one.
Speaker 2: So what is a soulmate?
Speaker 3: So your soulmate is somebody who's like another soul that
Speaker 3: you are so deeply connected with, who you share such
Speaker 3: deep love for, and that you have contracted with to
Speaker 3: be on this journey of growth and exploration. Right, And
Speaker 3: so sometimes it can be confusing, right because sometimes negative
Speaker 3: things can go on. That's still going to teach you too.
Speaker 3: I think it's recognizing that soul recognition. But a soulmate
Speaker 3: can be a parent, a soulmate can be a best friend,
Speaker 3: a soulmate can be a romantic partner. A soulmate can
Speaker 3: be a child. A soulmate can be a teacher. Like
Speaker 3: you probably have many soulmates in your life right now,
Speaker 3: and we kind of romanticize what a soulmate is and
Speaker 3: be like, I've got this one person out there that
Speaker 3: if I find that person, I'm going to have the
Speaker 3: best love experience and my life's going to be complete.
Speaker 3: And really the most important experience any of us are
Speaker 3: having when we're here is our relationship with ourself. And
Speaker 3: when we really trust the guidance and we open our
Speaker 3: hearts and we become the best version of ourselves. We're
Speaker 3: going to show up for everybody in the most beautiful way,
Speaker 3: and so even our soulmate experiences are going to be
Speaker 3: wonderful and dynamic and powerful. The twin flame has a
Speaker 3: lot more to do with like the romantic concept, right of,
Speaker 3: like this partnership that is like just a total energy match,
Speaker 3: and I do think that that's very real. I think
Speaker 3: we could even talk about it in a much smaller way,
Speaker 3: Like you go out to lunch and you sit at
Speaker 3: a table at a conference with maybe twelve people that
Speaker 3: you haven't met before. You might feel really pulled to
Speaker 3: like two of them, and maybe really not pulled to
Speaker 3: two of them, and then the rest are neutral. Like
Speaker 3: that's you feeling energy, that's you sensing who's in your
Speaker 3: soul group or sensing who your energy aligns with the best.
Speaker 3: And I think we just need to pay more attention
Speaker 3: to that. I think sometimes we also confuse twin flames
Speaker 3: for people who have been sent to teach us lessons
Speaker 3: about ourselves or teach us to like respect it, because
Speaker 3: I think sometimes true, like really high level love is
Speaker 3: very peaceful, and I think sometimes we confuse it. I
Speaker 3: think it has to be like crazy passionate and have
Speaker 3: all this dynamic, and sometimes those relationships are really to
Speaker 3: teach us about our own boundaries, are respecting our own
Speaker 3: life or whatever that might be. So I think the
Speaker 3: best thing we can all be is open to these
Speaker 3: experiences and always searching and seeking what these answers are
Speaker 3: for us, but also taking inventory of our relationship with
Speaker 3: ourself and that we're being respectful of our own light,
Speaker 3: and that we're using kindness and forgiveness and gratitude as
Speaker 3: our currency.
Speaker 1: You know, have your psychic abilities ever protected you from
Speaker 1: anything or anyone?
Speaker 3: Oh, they've protected me countless times. Small examples might be,
Speaker 3: you know, and this is in one of my books
Speaker 3: to you. I'd be at a light it turns grain
Speaker 3: and I don't go, and my kids are like, why
Speaker 3: are you not going? I'm not even like rashly understanding why.
Speaker 3: It's just like a pull back, and I start to
Speaker 3: say because, And an eighteen wheeler flies by had gone
Speaker 3: through this red light like two seconds after. Another time,
Speaker 3: I'm pulling into like the target parking lot, and I
Speaker 3: slow the car to a stop. My kids are like,
Speaker 3: why are you stopping the car? And with that, a
Speaker 3: little three year old girl runs out into the parking
Speaker 3: spot I would have driven into. So those are examples
Speaker 3: of saving my own life and the lives of But
Speaker 3: it plays out like that for us in all different ways.
Speaker 3: I think that we can avoid hard lessons sometimes that
Speaker 3: wouldn't really serve us, would just kind of like tangle
Speaker 3: us up, because I think sometimes you know, it's like
Speaker 3: you can learn the easy way or the hard way.
Speaker 3: As long as you understand the lesson, you're fine. And
Speaker 3: I think that you know, when you go to the
Speaker 3: airport and they have those moving sidewalks and you're like
Speaker 3: you could walk slowly or just get on that. If
Speaker 3: you are open and in a state of guidance, this
Speaker 3: can have really powerful practical meaning for you in your life.
Speaker 3: It's like getting on that super fast, like little, you know,
Speaker 3: walkway where you don't have to do all the hard work.
Speaker 3: Why because you are trusting, You're in a state of
Speaker 3: guidance and openness, and you are in that flow of
Speaker 3: light of the universe.
Speaker 1: I think many people are taught to manifest or follow
Speaker 1: the love attraction, but you talk about two pre steps,
Speaker 1: which is purge and balance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and my guides taught me that, and it's the
Speaker 3: two most important steps. Like, let me put it this way,
Speaker 3: if you wanted to, it's a garden and you go out,
Speaker 3: you're not just going to be like, oh, look at
Speaker 3: all the stuff here, let me just throw these seeds
Speaker 3: on top of it. Nope, you're going to weed all
Speaker 3: the stuff that is going to interfere with that garden,
Speaker 3: and then you're going to till the soil. You're going
Speaker 3: to get in the perfect state for planting, and then
Speaker 3: you plant. If you miss those first two steps, it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, instead of like having your volume switch at
Speaker 3: a ten for the universe, you're barely out of one.
Speaker 3: You've like self sabotaged from the start. So it's really important,
Speaker 3: and that again has to do with your relationship with yourself.
Speaker 3: You know. As a high school undist teacher, I used
Speaker 3: to do like a final assignment and kids used to
Speaker 3: grow and be like, oh, why do we have to
Speaker 3: do this? It was a reflection of their journey through
Speaker 3: literature and their own essay writing and what they learned
Speaker 3: and experienced throughout the year, and they grumble and then
Speaker 3: they would handle these most beautiful reflective pieces and they're like,
Speaker 3: I didn't even recognize I learned this. I'm owning this
Speaker 3: truth that I'm changing, and it's like this giddy happiness
Speaker 3: they have recognizing how like that process changed them. And
Speaker 3: I think we failed to do this in our adult lives.
Speaker 3: We failed to reflect. First of all, there's this cacophony
Speaker 3: of noise and energy coming at us from our cell
Speaker 3: phones and like online and all this stuff that we
Speaker 3: are not even quiet within ourselves. So I think the
Speaker 3: most important thing in order to really get into like
Speaker 3: what we want to create or what is the best
Speaker 3: thing for us, is to first get quiet and then
Speaker 3: get rid of the junk that's in there that doesn't
Speaker 3: serve us. And it can be as simple as this.
Speaker 3: Set a timer for five minutes or three minutes or
Speaker 3: how much ever time you want to give it, take
Speaker 3: a pen and paper, or go to your computer, and
Speaker 3: start typing out every negative thought that pops into your mind.
Speaker 3: At the end of the timer, look at it and
Speaker 3: you're going to see you don't believe in any of that,
Speaker 3: but that is what has been swimming around in your mind.
Speaker 3: That is what the monkey mind's been telling you daily,
Speaker 3: because if it comes down on paper, it's in you.
Speaker 3: And you take this moment you say I reject this.
Speaker 3: Reflect you read it and go like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: I can't believe this came out of me, Like this
Speaker 3: is so mean and awful, and I don't believe any
Speaker 3: of it. So you've now shifted, You've purged that, you've
Speaker 3: rejected it, you know, and feel free to do like
Speaker 3: in a materialistic way too, where you're like, let me
Speaker 3: go in my closet and get rid of what doesn't
Speaker 3: serve me here and donate it to somebody, like you
Speaker 3: can do it in a symbolic sense too, And then
Speaker 3: it's all about balance. That's the second pre step, and
Speaker 3: it's about creating this beautiful openness within yourself. So doing
Speaker 3: something to nurture your own light energy, maybe taking inventory of,
Speaker 3: like how much are you're sleeping, what are you physically
Speaker 3: putting into your body, because that's actually the most intimate
Speaker 3: physical thing we do here is what we eat. It
Speaker 3: becomes part of our being. Take inventory about are you
Speaker 3: creating time to recharge, are you creating time to be
Speaker 3: connected with nature? Are you creating time to be creative?
Speaker 3: And then start doing some of those things when you
Speaker 3: feel recharged and ready, now you're need to create and
Speaker 3: then it's think it where you're just like having ideas
Speaker 3: see it. And for that I always say like vision
Speaker 3: boarding is great, like go cut up magazine and see
Speaker 3: what you pull out. It might surprise you. Paste it somewhere,
Speaker 3: take a picture, put it as your screen background for
Speaker 3: your phone, and then write it is a really annoying step.
Speaker 3: You have to write a letter to the universe of gratitude,
Speaker 3: like God, the universe, whatever you want, and make it
Speaker 3: super detailed, but always leave like the co creation. So
Speaker 3: let's say you want to find the perfect partner. You
Speaker 3: might describe all the inner qualities, all the outer qualities,
Speaker 3: and then say by January first or sooner. But also
Speaker 3: know that there's like divine timing that might happen. So
Speaker 3: if it doesn't happen in that timing, it doesn't mean
Speaker 3: your manifest wasn't heard. It means that the universe is
Speaker 3: dreaming bigger for you, or know it's better than you
Speaker 3: and is on top of it already. You can do
Speaker 3: it in all things like relationship. Create whatever you want
Speaker 3: and then you have to speak it, but you have
Speaker 3: to speak it to two other people who you know
Speaker 3: will always be rooting for you. No frenemy is nobody
Speaker 3: who like will be jealous about your manifest It has
Speaker 3: to be two people that you know like nurture your
Speaker 3: soul and you trust you can even do a little
Speaker 3: manifesting party with them. Be like, Okay, on Friday night,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get together. We're gonna have a glass of wine,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna bring one thing I want to manifest.
Speaker 3: You guys, bring it. And this is what you do.
Speaker 3: You state your manifest and so you're gonna like narrow
Speaker 3: it down like if you wrote like a ten page letter, right,
Speaker 3: You're gonna narrow it down a little into a statement.
Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, the letter has to be
Speaker 3: like one of gratitude, as if it's already happened. Right,
Speaker 3: I'll like, oh, please bring me this, because then you'll
Speaker 3: be in the state of that. So you're gonna say, like,
Speaker 3: I'm so excited for the universe to bring me the
Speaker 3: perfect job with this ideal salary by January first or sooner.
Speaker 3: And then your two friends or family members or loved
Speaker 3: ones repeat it back. I'm so excited for the universe
Speaker 3: to bring you the perfect job a January first or sooner,
Speaker 3: and then the next person goes right, so it's like,
Speaker 3: you do this and it amplifies it into the universe
Speaker 3: so loudly. Because the truth is collective energy is so
Speaker 3: much more powerful than individual so when we form that,
Speaker 3: it becomes really magical. Then here's the artists step. Are
Speaker 3: you ready. It's the one that a lot of people
Speaker 3: fail and get stuck on. Surrender it. And that means
Speaker 3: you cannot sit there and micromanage how it's going to happen.
Speaker 3: You can't go like, I can't believe I just asked
Speaker 3: for that, it's never going to happen, Like what would
Speaker 3: I need to do to make that happen? Now you're
Speaker 3: like reverse manifesting where you're canceling it out right. So
Speaker 3: it's really important to be aware and just surrender it
Speaker 3: and just be like, I'll let the magic happen. Thank
Speaker 3: you team a light and just.
Speaker 1: Let it go and just know that they've got your
Speaker 1: back and it will happen in divine timing and there's
Speaker 1: nothing you can do to push yeah.
Speaker 3: If it doesn't happen, and exactly want they know better,
Speaker 3: They're going to dream better for you. I've had experiences
Speaker 3: like that in my own life where I thought I
Speaker 3: really wanted something right now, owing to see like three
Speaker 3: years later, like this is where this was leading. I
Speaker 3: didn't even realize it, And had I taken that path
Speaker 3: then this would have been close to me. And so
Speaker 3: it's trusting And that's all about guidance too. I think
Speaker 3: living a guided life is trusting in the guidance and
Speaker 3: trusting that what you're putting out there is being heard
Speaker 3: and that you're not forgotten, and like you matter, and
Speaker 3: you matter not only to the light and of this world,
Speaker 3: but to like other people's journeys too.
Speaker 1: Do you think that spirituality can make us more resilient?
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent. I actually feel like if you
Speaker 3: don't get your spiritual self on, you're just not the brightest, shiniest,
Speaker 3: strongest version of yourself. I think that the currency of
Speaker 3: spirituality is empathy, kindness, gratitude, forgiveness, and if you look
Speaker 3: at studies of the physical body too, when we embrace
Speaker 3: this way of being, of thinking, of not holding on
Speaker 3: to anger, of not holding on to bitterness, of like
Speaker 3: wanting the best for others, we shift. We become like
Speaker 3: healthier on like a cellular level, but we also become
Speaker 3: healthier in terms of our relationship with ourselves.
Speaker 1: I hope that this comes off as not like a
Speaker 1: dark energy question, but I thought it was funny when
Speaker 1: it was submitted. How can you tell when a psychic
Speaker 1: is full of it?
Speaker 3: That's such a good question. First of all, I think
Speaker 3: that you have to go into any experience questioning and skeptical.
Speaker 3: I think you can hold space to hear somebody's messages
Speaker 3: and a couple things can happen. Like, first of all,
Speaker 3: psychic abilities are very real and they do exist. But
Speaker 3: here in the United States and elsewhere, there is no
Speaker 3: certification program unless like you go and try and do
Speaker 3: it yourself, like I'm certified by Forever Family Foundation, by Wimbridge,
Speaker 3: like I work with research scientists, like I do that
Speaker 3: because it's important to me. But truly, anybody can like
Speaker 3: be like, hey, I'm a psychic, let me read for you.
Speaker 3: You've got to be very careful about who you let
Speaker 3: into your energy. Like that's a very real thing. And
Speaker 3: you can have somebody who's not very developed thinking that
Speaker 3: they are and then going into your energy field and
Speaker 3: saying these things that you take into your energy and
Speaker 3: you hold onto you and that could be a little
Speaker 3: like So here's what I say. I always say trust
Speaker 3: word of mouth. Trust if like you heard firsthand somebody
Speaker 3: had this really profound, beautiful experience with this psychic or
Speaker 3: this medium that was very authentic and real. Right, also
Speaker 3: learn how to be a good sitter. Now. I'm part
Speaker 3: of Forever Family Foundation, which is a nonprofit that helps
Speaker 3: people in grief, but it's also science based, and the
Speaker 3: founder of Bob Ginsberg wrote a book about how to
Speaker 3: be like when you go for a reading, like you
Speaker 3: know how to be a good, clean, clear sitter where
Speaker 3: you're not like feeding into things or giving things away.
Speaker 3: I think that would be a great way for people
Speaker 3: to first recognize they need to train themselves before they
Speaker 3: have this experience. And then I'd say trust what resonates
Speaker 3: and what doesn't, and don't ever give away your power.
Speaker 3: If a psychic tells you something you're like that does
Speaker 3: not resonate with me, that's not true. It's not like
Speaker 3: reject it. Don't ever let what somebody else says counter
Speaker 3: what you're feeling about your own life. Readings can be
Speaker 3: excellent as like kind of a guidebook or to show you,
Speaker 3: like the possible pathways that are there. And sometimes we
Speaker 3: might be on a certain pathway and then change course.
Speaker 3: And that's okay too. There's no wrong path, there's just
Speaker 3: different lessons. But I think they can be tools to
Speaker 3: help you navigate your life here. But like you don't
Speaker 3: need a psychic, you can just tap into your own
Speaker 3: abilities to help you navigate your path here too, Like
Speaker 3: I think so often we give away our power. Now
Speaker 3: I'm the anti business model. I'm like, nobody needs me
Speaker 3: come to my workshops. I'm happy to show you how
Speaker 3: to do this yourself, and like nobody ever needs a
Speaker 3: reading for me. You're so much more powerful than I
Speaker 3: am once you open your own lines of communication and
Speaker 3: when you trust your spiritual self, and when you use
Speaker 3: your abilities to navigate the world in this way of
Speaker 3: like unseen energy, right, magical things like powerful things happen.
Speaker 1: I'm smiling because the other most popular question was where
Speaker 1: are our husbands?
Speaker 2: All of these women are like where is he?
Speaker 1: And so I think that you're giving us that answer.
Speaker 1: I think we should do that purge exercise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So here's what I know. Like when you shift
Speaker 3: your energy and when you celebrate yourself and celebrate your life,
Speaker 3: energy is a vibration. Right, We're in a state of
Speaker 3: like almost like ned or like panic like where is
Speaker 3: my husband? Like I want this so badly in my life,
Speaker 3: and we start getting into that fear stream of energy
Speaker 3: because what we're really thinking is like what if this
Speaker 3: doesn't happen. We get into this very negative energy space.
Speaker 3: It's like a sound vibration. We're going to attract not
Speaker 3: good things like energy is a lake. At the top,
Speaker 3: people are water skiing, lights, beautiful. The bottom there's like
Speaker 3: catfish and slimmy things, like we don't want to go
Speaker 3: to the bottom. No, The answer to it all is
Speaker 3: like elevating ourselves, doing things that bring us joy, getting
Speaker 3: into a creative state, like honoring our light, respecting ourselves,
Speaker 3: creating boundaries for us, and then creating a manifest of
Speaker 3: exactly what we want and then releasing it and surrendering it.
Speaker 3: You know, I've done ratings before where I've seen that
Speaker 3: somebody's gonna get married in three years, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this person's going to come in, here's their name, but
Speaker 3: like they're not here for three years. They're so upset
Speaker 3: like this, there's like what are you mean three years?
Speaker 3: Like they get angry and then it's because the person
Speaker 3: was married at the time. Of the reading to somebody
Speaker 3: else needed to get divorced because that relationship had run
Speaker 3: its course. They needed to leave, and now they're gonna
Speaker 3: get married to the person I'm speaking to. But like,
Speaker 3: we have to let linear time here play out. And
Speaker 3: so I just would say to people, like, trust in it.
Speaker 3: Trust in like your heart's desires, but don't trust in
Speaker 3: it in like a needy, panicked way. Trust in it,
Speaker 3: And like, I'm so excited for the universe to bring
Speaker 3: this to me, and when it shows up, it's going
Speaker 3: to be wonderful. But I am going to spend so
Speaker 3: much quality time with myself right now. I am going
Speaker 3: to become the best version of myself so that when
Speaker 3: this person arrives, I can recognize that person rather than
Speaker 3: dismiss them.
Speaker 2: Okay, Laurlen, I have some rapid fire for you. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: I feel most at peace when.
Speaker 3: I'm cooking in my kitchen.
Speaker 2: What's a skill you'd like to hone.
Speaker 3: I would like to learn how to like water color.
Speaker 3: I think it's really hard, but I feel like the
Speaker 3: other side keeps showing me that I'm meant to do
Speaker 3: what they're calling like spirit paintings with water colors. And
Speaker 3: I keep saying like, Okay, I can't wait to do
Speaker 3: this after carve out the time because it's going to
Speaker 3: be energy that comes through me. And I'm so excited
Speaker 3: to go on that journey. So I feel like I
Speaker 3: need to create space for that. I'm really excited for that.
Speaker 2: That's very specific. I love that. What's one thing every
Speaker 2: woman should try once?
Speaker 3: Going out to dinner on their own with nobody else there?
Speaker 2: Wow, man's why.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So when I was in my early twenties, I
Speaker 3: spent a semester at Oxford University in England and I
Speaker 3: would travel and I traveled for a month afterwards on
Speaker 3: my own, and I found that the time that I
Speaker 3: was in highest connectivity with myself and like drinking and
Speaker 3: the experiences around me, and like getting downloads from my guide,
Speaker 3: it would be like when I would go out to
Speaker 3: dinner by myself. So I think spending time alone and
Speaker 3: seeing that as a beautiful, sacred thing rather than like
Speaker 3: putting it with a loneliness category like can be profound.
Speaker 3: So for me, it's like, I think going out to dinner,
Speaker 3: the answer could be like do something alone and drink
Speaker 3: in all your light and all your experiences.
Speaker 1: What's a book that changed your life, something you think
Speaker 1: everybody should read.
Speaker 3: So my favorite book in the world is To Kill
Speaker 3: a Mockingbird because I think it showed like the connectivity
Speaker 3: of all of us and like the goodness and like
Speaker 3: what we all have to be aware about, like the
Speaker 3: darkness that is there, and like feeding the light within us. Right,
Speaker 3: So that's by Harperley. And then I also like The
Speaker 3: Color Purple by Alice Walker and if at the back
Speaker 3: of the book she says author and medium, she thanks
Speaker 3: everybody for coming, like the characters came to her and
Speaker 3: through her, which I found fascinating. But it tells like
Speaker 3: this beautiful journey of like empowerment and discovery for the
Speaker 3: main character, Celia. It's just such a powerful work of literature.
Speaker 3: And then The Alchemist by Paolo Quelo, which is about
Speaker 3: a journey a young boy goes on and like that
Speaker 3: takes them very far. I don't want to ruin the ending,
Speaker 3: but it's just magical, and I feel like it's allegorical
Speaker 3: for all of our journeys here. So those are the
Speaker 3: the ones I'd read, and those all affected me in
Speaker 3: a very profound way.
Speaker 2: Those are great ones. Thank you for that. Okay.
Speaker 1: The last question is always from the question Everything card deck.
Speaker 1: I pulled yours right ahead of our interview, and it said,
Speaker 1: what has been your biggest sacrifice on the path to achievement?
Speaker 3: I think time, That's what I would say. I think
Speaker 3: one of the greatest gifts we have here that we
Speaker 3: don't recognize is the time we have. And I think
Speaker 3: that knowing that I was called to do this has
Speaker 3: taken over a lot of time in my life, and
Speaker 3: that I don't think that's worthy. I totally think it's worthy,
Speaker 3: and I'm so enriched and fulfilled by it, but I
Speaker 3: am fully aware that it is a bit of a
Speaker 3: sacrifice in knowing I'm going to choose this and to
Speaker 3: do this rather than all these other things that maybe
Speaker 3: would be more like joyful or leisurely. It's like I'm
Speaker 3: driven by a purpose and I want to honor that
Speaker 3: in the right ways. And the way that I honor
Speaker 3: that is by giving my time.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for sharing your time with us today.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. Okay, you know what time it is.
Speaker 1: Today's a good day. To have a good day.
Speaker 2: I'll see you next week.