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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, March twentieth, twenty twenty four, Season nineteen,
Speaker 2: episode number one hundred and sixteen. Welcome to the latest
Speaker 2: edition of The Break Life from s WBC Mortgage Studios
Speaker 2: at the Star. And today we're talking free We're talking
Speaker 2: free agency here. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Amber.
Speaker 2: We're talking for ee agents. Had a little little spill
Speaker 2: then right we went on there. But we're talking free
Speaker 2: agency today, and as I think everybody in the Cowboys
Speaker 2: media world is talking about because of maybe not what's happened,
Speaker 2: but what hasn't happened, I think. But I want to
Speaker 2: start first with that conversation. I want to go around
Speaker 2: the table and give each of you guys an opportunity
Speaker 2: just to give your general thoughts on where the Cowboys
Speaker 2: sit right now relative to what's happened in free agency
Speaker 2: from the standpoint of the players they've signed and the
Speaker 2: players that they did not sign. Let's start with you, Patrick.
Speaker 6: This is a rough They're in a rough spot right now.
Speaker 6: It's not a spot they were unprepared to be in,
Speaker 6: but it's a rough spot nonetheless. I mean, I was
Speaker 6: sitting there this morning and I was trying to figure
Speaker 6: out in recent memory, when have I seen a situation
Speaker 6: where you have a combination of lack of outside free
Speaker 6: agents being added to the roster in combination with such
Speaker 6: a hemorrhaging of in house talent going to other teams.
Speaker 6: And I'm kind of at a loss as far as
Speaker 6: when recently this has happened prior to this year.
Speaker 7: Uh So they're in a bad spot.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I like the the addition of
Speaker 6: Eric Kendricks, and I love even better that they stole
Speaker 6: him away from the San Francisco forty nine ers. You know,
Speaker 6: weaken your enemy to make yourself stronger.
Speaker 7: To love that.
Speaker 6: But that's the only outside signing that's occurred because they're
Speaker 6: up against some salary cap crunches. But we talked about
Speaker 6: it last week. I mean, there are triggers that can
Speaker 6: be pulled. They are soft pulling those triggers they pulled
Speaker 6: on on Zach Martin. They did a rework on Dak
Speaker 6: Prescott got about four or five million dollars, but you
Speaker 6: could get more, be it with an extension or full
Speaker 6: on restructure. Nonetheless, but you haven't brought in anyone other
Speaker 6: than Eric Kendricks. You've lost Tyron Smith, which was a
Speaker 6: massive loss. We talked about that. To the New York Jets.
Speaker 6: You lost Durrance. So I'm strong someone that I feel
Speaker 6: has been perennially perennially underrated on this roster. I'm fine
Speaker 6: with loser Tyler Biaddish, but it's still a spot that
Speaker 6: you need to feel now. And I'm missing another guy
Speaker 6: who's my twenty dollars to the Nashville to the Tennessee Titan.
Speaker 6: So I mean, right now, you got Jordan Lewis, wonderful,
Speaker 6: that's a key react with c J. Goodwins, Special teams, Ace,
Speaker 6: Trent cy Geah. Everybody needs a long snapper. But it's
Speaker 6: been wildly underwhelming and they're going to have to really
Speaker 6: start making some splashes. I'm keeping some eyes on a
Speaker 6: guy like Stefan Gilmore to try to at least make
Speaker 6: me feel better about what I'm seeing, because right now
Speaker 6: it's looking real bad.
Speaker 8: H well for me, after you listed all those guys,
Speaker 8: it just feels like we they haven't gotten any better,
Speaker 8: Like it doesn't feel like we're a better team right
Speaker 8: now than when the season ended. So that's my problem
Speaker 8: is we sit here and we start getting expectations, and
Speaker 8: you start saying, Okay, now the expectations are very, very high,
Speaker 8: to the point where literally it doesn't matter why you're
Speaker 8: doing the season. Let's wait until the postseason see what
Speaker 8: they can actually do in the playoffs. But then we
Speaker 8: get to the free agency, and then you start seeing
Speaker 8: and realizing how money tight there really are. And I
Speaker 8: think when Gary Jones went in and made the comment
Speaker 8: about being all in, and that whole phrase took a
Speaker 8: whole like a whole new world like that just it
Speaker 8: got over exploded. And I know he was kind of
Speaker 8: referring to like those bigger contracts and the guys that
Speaker 8: they have in house, DAK PRESCA, cd MICA, guys like those.
Speaker 8: But when you take that phrase and fans take it
Speaker 8: and go along with it and start creating their own
Speaker 8: individual expectations, and then you get to free agency and
Speaker 8: don't see any moves, any splashes. I think it's very
Speaker 8: It doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good. I understand
Speaker 8: the business aspect of it, but right now, if I'm
Speaker 8: being one hundred percent honest, nothing about what's happened makes
Speaker 8: me feel like this season it's gonna have a different ending.
Speaker 8: And I can be absolutely wrong. Free agency is not
Speaker 8: over the season and hasn't even started. Training camp hasn't
Speaker 8: even started. The draft hasn't happened. But it's just it's
Speaker 8: hard to envision a team that will be better despite
Speaker 8: the coaching changes that have occurred. Right now, it's just
Speaker 8: I don't know, I don't know. I'm I don't want
Speaker 8: to say this, but I'm not motivated right now.
Speaker 6: Oh, real quick, before throwing Brian, that's what I was
Speaker 6: forgetting Jonathan Hankins expected to sign.
Speaker 7: With the Seattle Seahawks. So you're also losing your one tip,
Speaker 7: all right, Yeah.
Speaker 9: I think the thing that I focus on is that
Speaker 9: it's it's going to put a tremendous amount of pressure
Speaker 9: on the scouts to build their board the right way and.
Speaker 3: To have a draft and last.
Speaker 9: Year and we'll see what the verdict will be on
Speaker 9: this past draft. They didn't get the production that they've
Speaker 9: gotten from players in the past, and that that you know,
Speaker 9: that that in itself, and if you talk to those
Speaker 9: scouts in that room, they'll tell you they've got to
Speaker 9: focus in on. You know, there's going to be a
Speaker 9: lot of needs that they're going to have to address.
Speaker 9: How flexible are they going to be able to take
Speaker 9: the best available player when they've drafted. By taking the
Speaker 9: best available player, it's worked out really really.
Speaker 3: Well for them.
Speaker 9: They know how to plug and play offensive lineman in
Speaker 9: the first round. That's something that they can take care of.
Speaker 9: But you have to kind of look at where they
Speaker 9: are right now. And I think if you go back
Speaker 9: and look at dead money, you look at dead money
Speaker 9: in some of these contracts. You look at a dead
Speaker 9: money contract of Ezekiel Elliott, you know, you look at
Speaker 9: a dead money contract now soon of Tyrone Smith, Geort's
Speaker 9: Armstrong is going to have fifteen you know, a one
Speaker 9: point five million dollar dead money Kelvin Joseph second round
Speaker 9: pick didn't work out. Dead money right there, almost a
Speaker 9: million dollars right there, you know, So you know, Michael
Speaker 9: Gallup gonna be a dead money. You're gonna get some saying,
Speaker 9: but there's gonna be dead money there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 9: This is where you know, and I think that to me,
Speaker 9: that's where some of the signings that haven't worked out
Speaker 9: for them is coming back and getting them. Right now
Speaker 9: as we speak that they've you know that some of
Speaker 9: these guys that they put you know, they gave contracts
Speaker 9: two does not is not worked out, and now they're
Speaker 9: dealing with that with the ramfications of that, and I
Speaker 9: think that's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: I think they're dealing with also two they've.
Speaker 9: Drafted really well. The contracts didn't get staggered, they didn't
Speaker 9: get the fifth year on DAK. There's just so many
Speaker 9: things playing against them right now.
Speaker 3: You know. Just think if they didn't get the extra thirty.
Speaker 9: Million dollars from that cap, you know, this team might
Speaker 9: be even even worse shape.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 9: But they're gonna let them draft, and that's the one
Speaker 9: thing that they're really really good at, and that's that's
Speaker 9: gonna be your biggest hope right now.
Speaker 3: If you're a Cowboy fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to your point, one of the interesting things for
Speaker 2: me is you look at this, understand what how many
Speaker 2: teams end up in a situation where they're first and
Speaker 2: second round draft picks. When the shades come on, when
Speaker 2: the first and the second round pick quickly in a
Speaker 2: given year both turn into all pros that deserve big contracts, right,
Speaker 2: which is what happened to them with CD and with
Speaker 2: Trayvon And so it's a great problem to have, it is,
Speaker 2: but it is a problem because financially now you have
Speaker 2: to do that and then you follow that up with
Speaker 2: maybe one of the best top three or four defensive
Speaker 2: players in the league in Michael Parsons that you draft,
Speaker 2: you know thereafter, right, It's right, it's those kinds of
Speaker 2: things that, like you said, those aren't things you really
Speaker 2: can stagger. Like you you are a victim at that
Speaker 2: point of your your own success. Right, Your ability to
Speaker 2: draft really well now is costing you. And it's going
Speaker 2: to affect the rest of this roster because you've got
Speaker 2: to take care of those really big stars that you've got,
Speaker 2: those all pro type players that you got.
Speaker 9: I think the thing with Dak has been and I
Speaker 9: give Todd Frantz credit. He's he's negotiated very tough. He's
Speaker 9: made it very difficult on Dallas. He's got his guy
Speaker 9: back to the table very quickly after we went through
Speaker 9: all this. So yeah, there's a lot of things, you know,
Speaker 9: that they're having to deal with. But the draft part
Speaker 9: of it is is something that they you know what
Speaker 9: they they don't run away from that, I think the
Speaker 9: bigger problem.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of things too.
Speaker 9: I think fans are still disappointed about what happened in
Speaker 9: Green Bay with that game. The green Bay game, absolutely,
Speaker 9: but I think fans also look at the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3: You have a similar roster too.
Speaker 9: If you if you ask people around the league, whose
Speaker 9: roster would you rather have? And I think their scouts
Speaker 9: would say, gimme Philly, give me Dallas, give me Philly,
Speaker 9: give me Dallas, Dallas, Philly. You know, it's a very
Speaker 9: similar roster. And then all of a sudden, Philly is
Speaker 9: now churning their roster. And you're going, well, we'll wait
Speaker 9: a minute.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: We were very.
Speaker 9: Equal to Philadelphia, you know, with you look at capicked
Speaker 9: spenditures and paying a quarterback and all this.
Speaker 3: How do they get to churn their roster and still
Speaker 3: have cap space? You know?
Speaker 9: And then you know, and how wee Harry Rosmand the
Speaker 9: GM there he's a kick the can guy. I mean, no,
Speaker 9: but it always seems like he's a kick the can.
Speaker 9: But then again, they're signing four or five guys. I
Speaker 9: think that's where Cowboy fans they don't worry about the
Speaker 9: commanders or what the Giants are doing.
Speaker 3: It's the Eagles.
Speaker 9: You look at the Eagles and like, wait a minute,
Speaker 9: we got a roster just like theirs. How are they
Speaker 9: have thirty eight million dollars? And I'm sure somebody will
Speaker 9: text me here in the next five minutes and try
Speaker 9: and explain it to me. But that's you know, that's
Speaker 9: the thing I think that fans really look at and say,
Speaker 9: you know, how do they how are they able to
Speaker 9: have cap space pay all their players and still go
Speaker 9: out and get players, And that that's something that that
Speaker 9: the question.
Speaker 3: You have to ask.
Speaker 2: And the question is is that because they're still in
Speaker 2: a position where they can continue to kick the can.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the Cowboys have also been kicking
Speaker 2: the can, they've done it in a different way. Now
Speaker 2: that's all coming due at point now where they've only
Speaker 2: you only can kicked the can for so long and
Speaker 2: at some point you got to pay the bill. And
Speaker 2: I think that maybe where the Cowboys are. And it
Speaker 2: may be coming for Philly in the future at some point,
Speaker 2: but for Dallas right now, it looks like that's where
Speaker 2: they are.
Speaker 9: I can't tell you, and I'm not a cap expert.
Speaker 9: I never was, never, never liked the numbers, never, just
Speaker 9: you know, I tried to find players, and however Adam
Speaker 9: and those guys wanted to sign him. Todd wims, you
Speaker 9: guys do that. But I think it's something to It's
Speaker 9: amazing to me, is though, that that we they I
Speaker 9: keep on the radio talking about impending doom for the
Speaker 9: Philadelphia Eagles, and it's never a pending doom, you know.
Speaker 9: And there's gonna be a point in time where I
Speaker 9: can't talk about like up cap Hell, they've paid all
Speaker 9: those defensive backs they lost, all they got, all those
Speaker 9: defensive linemen, they've got one of the best offensive lines.
Speaker 3: They got to pay that. They got a quarterback they
Speaker 3: got to pay now.
Speaker 9: And then all of a sudden, they're adding one of
Speaker 9: the most expensive running backs to their their room. And
Speaker 9: you're going, wait a minute, Okay, that's not very cap smart,
Speaker 9: but but they are adding the best running back to
Speaker 9: their team that's out there.
Speaker 2: But it does come to at some point. We saw
Speaker 2: it happened with the Rams. The Rams went all.
Speaker 4: In and it can do and they had to exactly
Speaker 4: they won a super Bowl. They had to, they had
Speaker 4: to pull it back. They pulled it back and they
Speaker 4: got back in the playoffs exactly. So see, that's I'll
Speaker 4: take that. I'll take that if you if but.
Speaker 9: This to me, I've said this before on several platforms,
Speaker 9: I never see this team being bad. As long as
Speaker 9: they let these guys draft, I think they'll always be.
Speaker 2: Draft will always be the Yeah, they'll always be that nine.
Speaker 3: And eight team.
Speaker 9: They could always be a bad year for them, unless
Speaker 9: something happens injury wise, they'll always be like.
Speaker 3: A nine and eight team. And you know what. That
Speaker 3: to me, that's fine.
Speaker 9: But I you know, the Rams, Sure, Rams went all inn,
Speaker 9: did everything, give up all their draft picks, and you know,
Speaker 9: and now they're you know, they got.
Speaker 3: To a super Bowl, won a super Bowl.
Speaker 9: Heck, I'd take that now. If I was a Cowboys fan,
Speaker 9: I would absolutely take that.
Speaker 6: It's the timing of it is just horrendous for the
Speaker 6: Cowboys as far as optics go, because if the Cowboys
Speaker 6: had made some semblance of a playoff run, because all
Speaker 6: of this that's happening right now, it's it's likely it
Speaker 6: was inevitable anyway that they probably wouldn't pick up anybody
Speaker 6: from the outside for the most part, that they would
Speaker 6: hemorrhage guys from the inside that would leave for other teams.
Speaker 6: So let's assume that this part that we're talking about
Speaker 6: was inevitable anyway. If you changed the playoff outcome. Maybe
Speaker 6: if you get to the NFC championship and then you're
Speaker 6: losing these pieces, the fans are looking at it a
Speaker 6: lot different. They're like, oh god, well, we hate to see,
Speaker 6: you know, lose that guy, but we'll re up.
Speaker 7: We'll reup in the draft. We got to the NFC championship.
Speaker 6: But when you lose fashion in which you lost at
Speaker 6: home in the playoffs against the Green Bay Packers, and
Speaker 6: then you have not only in action, you're losing. So
Speaker 6: to Amber's point, you're moving backwards every other day with
Speaker 6: the talent you're losing and you're not replacing this talent.
Speaker 6: Brand said they put so much stress on the scouts
Speaker 6: in the scouting department to try to have one of
Speaker 6: the best drafts that you've ever had in franchise that
Speaker 6: all these lookas and the second year guys take these
Speaker 6: massive leaps. That's that's a lot to try to digest
Speaker 6: if you're a fan, and I really, honestly, I think.
Speaker 7: It's too much to ask fans to digest.
Speaker 6: So between now in the draft, I really hope that'd
Speaker 6: rather it be Stefan Gilmore and or a combination of
Speaker 6: a notable outside acquisition. I think the fans and this roster.
Speaker 6: You know, Mike Zimmer, he's coming in, he's on a
Speaker 6: one year deal. McCarthy one final year of his deal.
Speaker 6: DA's not extended just yet. I think that there are
Speaker 6: moves that need to be made before the draft.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking to all pro caliber players we mentioned a
Speaker 2: little earlier, my question would be, is that better or
Speaker 2: as good as any team in the NFL. And when
Speaker 2: you have that number of very high caliber players, is
Speaker 2: it just the expectation that you're gonna have to have
Speaker 2: a roster that's gonna have to be filled in the
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Speaker 2: it's gonna rely on the draft. And if so, is
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Speaker 3: At the start, what of the more uncomfortable name of
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Speaker 2: Ever, I'm glad you were reading that and not me.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that Yes, we'll keep going, we'll
Speaker 2: keep moving on on that one. Okay, So, as I
Speaker 2: was teeing up before the break, this team I think
Speaker 2: is blessed with a lot of really great talent, and
Speaker 2: quite frankly, when you look at all the guys they lost,
Speaker 2: for me, there's not a single guy in that Maybe
Speaker 2: you could have an argument with Tyron Smith, but there's
Speaker 2: really not anybody else in that list. And I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: that's a huge loss. Cowboys. I don't know what they're
Speaker 2: gonna do. It's really the sum of the parts. It's
Speaker 2: as you said, you know, Patrick, it's like you're not
Speaker 2: gaining anybody, but you're losing all these and by the way,
Speaker 2: a lot of these are depth pieces, and that's the
Speaker 2: part that's more concerning. But that all being said, when
Speaker 2: you look at the level of talent that they have,
Speaker 2: of people that you would consider to be among the
Speaker 2: best at their position across the league, You've got CD,
Speaker 2: You've got Trayvon, You've got Dak, You've got Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2: You've got a guy like Deron Blames popped on the
Speaker 2: scene and is considered one of the better cornerbacks in
Speaker 2: the league. You've got Zach Martin, You've got you know,
Speaker 2: young guys like Ferguson who are starting to step up, right.
Speaker 2: You've got talent, and some of that talent is really
Speaker 2: really high level talent. Is this what we're seeing right now?
Speaker 2: Is that just the nature of what happens on a
Speaker 2: team when you have that much high level talent that
Speaker 2: you have to pay big dollars and that forces you
Speaker 2: then to be able to have to fill the rest
Speaker 2: of your roster with cheaper options, which means bargain basements
Speaker 2: and free agents and relying on the draft.
Speaker 7: I'd say yes, it does lean to that.
Speaker 6: The problem I have with it is I don't think
Speaker 6: that they should lean as hard into it as they
Speaker 6: do as far as trying to rely not solely. We're
Speaker 6: not going to say solely, because that will make us
Speaker 6: prisoners of the moment. I mean this time last year
Speaker 6: they had traded for Brandon Cooks and stuff on Gilmore.
Speaker 6: So they've been active in free agency surprisingly so over
Speaker 6: the past several years.
Speaker 2: It's just this, although those weren't free agent signings, and that's.
Speaker 7: Different, but action. It was action, though it was action
Speaker 7: during the time of year.
Speaker 2: But the point is it wasn't money they were spending
Speaker 2: in free agency, and I think that that's a clear
Speaker 2: distinction that needs.
Speaker 3: To be made.
Speaker 6: I think something you mentioned in the first segment when
Speaker 6: you said, are they now victims of their own success?
Speaker 6: I think that that's going to often be the case
Speaker 6: when you draft and developed so well, but because and
Speaker 6: then being a victim of that success, you're now a
Speaker 6: prisoner of that success, and that you can never relent
Speaker 6: on being successful in that because when those bills come
Speaker 6: due eventually, you might lose this guy that guy, or
Speaker 6: you might have to sacrifice depth or go into barget
Speaker 6: basement shopping so that you can keep Michael plus CD
Speaker 6: plus Trayvon plus Dak plus Zak plus you know.
Speaker 7: Dot dot dot dot doc.
Speaker 6: Which means, going back to the first point, you have
Speaker 6: to continue to draft exceptionally well. And that's what makes
Speaker 6: this offseason a little bit more concerning when you look at, Yes,
Speaker 6: the jury is still out on the twenty twenty three draft,
Speaker 6: We're not gonna put grades on any of those guys
Speaker 6: just yet. But the onus is on those guys like
Speaker 6: the Eric Scott's, de Masi Smiths, the schoolmakers, you know,
Speaker 6: Videamijoko for those guys to step up and take on
Speaker 6: a big leap in year, because if they don't, then
Speaker 6: now you're looking at the rookies in twenty twenty four
Speaker 6: and you're saying, Okay, well they're not doing it, so
Speaker 6: you have to do it. It's it's so much pressure.
Speaker 6: And the Cowboys do scout will and they do draft well.
Speaker 6: But if you're asking every single one of your draft
Speaker 6: picks to hit from minute one, you're asking too much
Speaker 6: because that's not realistic.
Speaker 3: I'll take it a step further than that. How about
Speaker 3: Sam Williams.
Speaker 7: How about it?
Speaker 9: How about Chauncey Golston, Yeah, you know, how about Jalen Tolbert.
Speaker 9: You know, I mean, we're focusing on Mozzie Smith and
Speaker 9: these guys like that, rightfully, so, but how about those
Speaker 9: other guys? You know, that's kind of where this thing's
Speaker 9: at right now. You know, I've been waiting for Sam Williams,
Speaker 9: you know, to I mean, Sam Williams is one of
Speaker 9: the most talented football players. And I've laughed about the
Speaker 9: David Irving and how talented if you play a certain
Speaker 9: amount of plays and he makes like six tackles and
Speaker 9: twelve plays. Sam Williams has that kind of capability, but
Speaker 9: Sam Williams will also do some crazy, wild things that'll
Speaker 9: get your beat.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to held back on that the word you
Speaker 2: wanted to say, but go ahead.
Speaker 3: If I was on a podcast, let it fly.
Speaker 9: But the thing about it is, I'm waiting for Chauncey Goldston,
Speaker 9: you know, And I know they keep moving him around.
Speaker 3: They can't figure out if he's an edge or he's
Speaker 3: a three technique? Is what is he? You know? Jalen Tolbert, you.
Speaker 9: Know, I mean I saw little flashes from you from
Speaker 9: last year. The one guy that we've seen that's kind
Speaker 9: of been that guy that is Jake Ferguson. Yes, draft
Speaker 9: Jake Ferguson. Jake, It's like, well, how do you get
Speaker 9: rid of Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 2: Because you've got Jake Ferguson miss a beat.
Speaker 9: Jake Ferguson's the one guy that elevated his game. Well,
Speaker 9: everybody else is like in the deep end of the
Speaker 9: pool trying to keep from drowning. So to me, those
Speaker 9: are the guys. It's yeah, is it on Manzie Smith?
Speaker 9: Is it on Luke's schoon Maker? Is it on over shown.
Speaker 9: Is it on forcal Yes, but those guys that came
Speaker 9: before them, it's.
Speaker 3: On them too.
Speaker 8: See with me, I have a big problem that I've
Speaker 8: come to realization.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, they draft really well, and we all know
Speaker 8: that they're really talented at doing that. But draft and
Speaker 8: develop develop What does that mean? That equals time? That
Speaker 8: equals to take our time to develop guys. When they
Speaker 8: draft and they've gone, they've gone by during free agency,
Speaker 8: not spending a ton of money on outside people, just
Speaker 8: kind of retaining their own and then leaning towards the draft.
Speaker 8: But every year you get a new roster, every year
Speaker 8: you lose somebody. Somebody leaves this year, for example Tarren Smith.
Speaker 8: Now he's gone, and you have to start. I think
Speaker 8: they lean towards the whole developed part a little too much,
Speaker 8: which then it's not for example, I don't know how
Speaker 8: to explain what I'm trying to say that is clearly
Speaker 8: makes total sense in my head. But look at what
Speaker 8: the roster was at the end of the season in
Speaker 8: we saw a pretty well formulated roster with areas that
Speaker 8: did need improvement. You take that and then you should
Speaker 8: add talent in those areas that you're lacking for example,
Speaker 8: what do you need to stop the run? Get also
Speaker 8: a linebacker defensive tackle, and then but you cannot rely
Speaker 8: on just drafting young talent. That's where I'm going tours like, finally,
Speaker 8: you should be able to make a change in spending
Speaker 8: some actual money. And again it doesn't matter what I
Speaker 8: have to say, because they just don't have the money
Speaker 8: for it. But that's when you look at it and
Speaker 8: change your mentality of things. Or for example, is there
Speaker 8: going to be a hurt guy in the draft in
Speaker 8: the second round that they decide to, you know, like
Speaker 8: those type of things that they decide to to gamble
Speaker 8: on and think, oh, well, we can't and it has
Speaker 8: worked out sometimes, but it's about them now and that's
Speaker 8: the issue. That's what I'm struggling with kind of envision
Speaker 8: how things play out this year because I don't think
Speaker 8: anybody's gonna really be immediate help.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, and I'm playing devil's
Speaker 2: advocate here. There were two, in my opinion, there were
Speaker 2: two positions at the end of last season that I
Speaker 2: was like, Cowboys gotta do something here, and that was linebacker,
Speaker 2: and that was defensive tackle, particularly the one technique because that,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, was the reason why they lost the
Speaker 2: playoff game. Right, they went out and addressed linebacker and
Speaker 2: got Eric Kendricks. They've upgraded their linebacker position, the only
Speaker 2: position on team you can argue they've upgraded. Right, So
Speaker 2: they've upgraded their linebacker position. You got Overshown coming back.
Speaker 2: You've probably feel pretty decent about your linebacker position right now,
Speaker 2: right relative to all the other stuff that's going on
Speaker 2: everything else, you feel pretty good, okay, not pretty good?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: So then and the other part to it is, and
Speaker 2: this is what I don't know. When Zimmer came in
Speaker 2: the door. My suspicion is one of the first questions
Speaker 2: he was asked was what is your plan for Mazzie Smith?
Speaker 2: What is your evaluation of Mazzi Smith? And what is
Speaker 2: your plan for him? My assumption is that the response
Speaker 2: to that made them feel like Mazzie Smith is going
Speaker 2: to be the guy good or bad, that they're going
Speaker 2: to ride with a as their one technique. True, and
Speaker 2: that being said in their minds again, I'm in the
Speaker 2: what you're saying, right, So in their minds, in their minds,
Speaker 2: they addressed the two positions that going into the off season.
Speaker 2: We all just agreed were the two biggest positions that
Speaker 2: they have to address.
Speaker 7: Right, if you look at it from through their eyes.
Speaker 2: Right, what I'm saying is through their eyes, this is
Speaker 2: how they're looking at it. Is that an unfair way
Speaker 2: for Is that a good way for them to look
Speaker 2: at it? Or what are the problems with them looking
Speaker 2: at it that way?
Speaker 6: The problem with again, I love that they brought in
Speaker 6: Kendricks once he was released. He was one guy I
Speaker 6: wanted to see brought in and they did that. So
Speaker 6: thank you so much for that defensive tackle. Though, until
Speaker 6: you see the until you see Mozzie Smith making the strides,
Speaker 6: it's hard for me to say he's ready right now.
Speaker 6: But if you don't bring in another nose tackle to
Speaker 6: help him out, whether it have Ben Jonathan Hankins or
Speaker 6: another veteran, whatever the case may be, DJ Reader who's
Speaker 6: off the board now, then you're basically saying that twenty
Speaker 6: twenty four is going to be Mozzie Smith starting nose tackle.
Speaker 2: But all of just a second, if if you have
Speaker 2: a first round pick from last year and you're trying
Speaker 2: to push him up and do that wrong, you need
Speaker 2: then whoever whoever you would have as his backup isn't
Speaker 2: gonna be one of those top line guys. You don't
Speaker 2: want somebody that's gonna steal reps from him. You want
Speaker 2: somebody that's a that's an insurance policy. Those aren't the
Speaker 2: guys you get early in free agency. Those are the
Speaker 2: guys you get later. You get those guys in May,
Speaker 2: in June, maybe even heading into training camp. Right, So
Speaker 2: what am I missing.
Speaker 7: There in that capacity?
Speaker 6: It's just I think I'm looking at how far down
Speaker 6: the line are we talking about getting that particular guy.
Speaker 2: Is it a draft pick? Is it a fourth fifth
Speaker 2: round draft pick? Because you can get a pretty decent
Speaker 2: one technique in the fourth, fifth, sixth round, because that's
Speaker 2: not a position that's drafted early all the time.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: True, But if you're going to do it as a
Speaker 6: fourth or fifth rounder, then obviously, as you guys know,
Speaker 6: the later you get into the rounds, then the less
Speaker 6: likely that that's going to hit. So you're still going
Speaker 6: to have to address it with a veteran I would say, ideally,
Speaker 6: and if you wait until you know, just before training
Speaker 6: camp and you get a guy, or you get a
Speaker 6: guy in training camp, what what level mercenary are you
Speaker 6: getting in training camp versus what level mercenary you'd get
Speaker 6: in early April or late March.
Speaker 7: That's what I mean. So if you even if you
Speaker 7: look at Okay, let's just let's.
Speaker 6: Call Jonathan Hankins because that's the familiar face, right, Even
Speaker 6: if you were able to retain Jonathan Hankins, you could
Speaker 6: have possibly retain Jonathan Hankins with the understanding that they
Speaker 6: were going to push Mossie Smith as the starting nose
Speaker 6: tackle for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7: Could I think you could have swung that.
Speaker 6: I don't know that he would have bought it, right,
Speaker 6: that's like you think he would have got you could
Speaker 6: have swung it, because I mean, he's at that kind
Speaker 6: of stage.
Speaker 2: In his career, right, He's like, if I'm playing, I'm playing.
Speaker 6: But then I think, then what counterstat is is aid
Speaker 6: and dirty looking at him and see I don't saying
Speaker 6: or you could come music.
Speaker 2: That's my point, Like he's got a opportunity.
Speaker 6: My question is simply being when would they address that,
Speaker 6: because if you, as it stands, if you go in
Speaker 6: to the drafting, yeah, let's say you use a fourth
Speaker 6: or fifth round pick. Okay, cool, fourth fifth round pick
Speaker 6: that's going to back up Mozzie Smith. But you got
Speaker 6: to assume that fourth or fifth round pick probably won't
Speaker 6: be ready to contribute year one. Let's assume good news
Speaker 6: and they're ready to contribute year two. That's fine, but
Speaker 6: that also means Mozzi is kind of on an island
Speaker 6: because Neville's going. Nevill's in Miami, Okay. Chauncey is going
Speaker 6: to have to have a big year, and it's a
Speaker 6: contract season for him. So to Brian's point, Chauncey, where
Speaker 6: are you at? It's time for you to step up.
Speaker 2: He's more three anyway.
Speaker 7: So then what you got you got also kind of
Speaker 7: moving back into it.
Speaker 6: I just I don't like the situation as it stands,
Speaker 6: and I depth right, and I wouldn't want the depth
Speaker 6: to be addressed. I wouldn't want them to wait until
Speaker 6: late June early mid July to address the depth. From
Speaker 6: a veteran standpoint, I want veteran insurance behind Mazzi to say,
Speaker 6: you know what, number one to push Mazzi to be better,
Speaker 6: to be ready to be that guy in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 6: But also if whatever may happen and he struggles, you
Speaker 6: can say Okay, well, let's let's mix up this rotation
Speaker 6: a little more to get this veteran guy into me.
Speaker 6: Make sure we're stopping the run as we're still bringing
Speaker 6: mazi along. I just don't want Mazie on an island,
Speaker 6: not yet. That's what bothers me about.
Speaker 8: I think, Uh, you have too much confidence.
Speaker 2: There no no know what I'm doing. Here's the deal,
Speaker 2: I think sometimes, and this happens, This happens a lot
Speaker 2: in the media. There's a certain narrative and then everybody
Speaker 2: just says the narrative. And what I'm trying to do,
Speaker 2: and this is what I want our show to be
Speaker 2: obviously all the time is I want us to think
Speaker 2: about things fully and really, if that is the way
Speaker 2: they're looking at it, that I want us to address
Speaker 2: the way that they're looking at it and say what
Speaker 2: we think can be the challenges for that.
Speaker 8: Which is a fair, fair argument. But it's just I'm
Speaker 8: like Patrick on this one right now, because if we
Speaker 8: sit there, if we watched all the games, we watched
Speaker 8: the whole season, and I don't think personally I won't
Speaker 8: speak for you guys, but personally finishing the season, it's
Speaker 8: not a spot where I feel confident to get to
Speaker 8: give Mazzie Smith that type of response and roll just
Speaker 8: yet because he hasn't proven that. So again, when you're
Speaker 8: talking about the the immense importance and how crucial this
Speaker 8: specific season is for the Cowboys, that's a huge gamble
Speaker 8: and risk that you're willing to take at a very
Speaker 8: very important position on defense.
Speaker 2: That's fair, but and no offense to anybody at this table,
Speaker 2: myself included. If Mike Zimmer comes in the door and
Speaker 2: says Miley Smith can do this. I know he can
Speaker 2: do this, then who are we to say I don't
Speaker 2: feel comfortable. Well, that's okay, but it's Mike Zimmer. He
Speaker 2: says he thinks he can get the guy ready. By
Speaker 2: the way, that's what he's being paid to do. If
Speaker 2: that's his assessment, you give him that response, You give
Speaker 2: him that responsibility and to hold him accountable to it.
Speaker 2: But I would trust his opinion way more than our
Speaker 2: opinion on the player.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 9: I remember a clip on Dallas Cowboys dot Com from
Speaker 9: the war whom Will McClay standing up and fighting for
Speaker 9: Molesse Smith that.
Speaker 3: He could be that guy. If that's the case, they
Speaker 3: need to put Mossie Smith out he could be.
Speaker 9: He could be whether we feel comfortable or not. They
Speaker 9: picked Myles Smith. Yeah, they picked him and they felt
Speaker 9: like that Mozzi Smith at three hundred and twenty nine
Speaker 9: pounds at the time, could be a guy that can.
Speaker 9: Yeah at the time, you know, it's impressive how much
Speaker 9: weight he long, no doubt, Like I'm like one of
Speaker 9: my I'd love them to know what he did. But
Speaker 9: you know the thing about it is, though, that's that's them,
Speaker 9: you know. And I'll say this though, they have job
Speaker 9: security over there, and I hate to be that guy,
Speaker 9: but it's true. They're not going anywhere. They picked Mozzie Smith.
Speaker 9: They need to play Mozzie Smith.
Speaker 3: That's the way it is.
Speaker 2: But now Mike doesn't Mike doesn't have Mike Mike. Mike
Speaker 2: Zimmer doesn't have you know what security.
Speaker 9: But that's what I'm saying though, And you know what
Speaker 9: Mike is. They can't change everything out. They're not going
Speaker 9: to change it. They're they're they're hoping. They're hoping that
Speaker 9: Mike Zimmer can come in here and get Mozzie Smith
Speaker 9: playing at a high level. That's what their hope is
Speaker 9: right now. If it doesn't if it doesn't work, out.
Speaker 9: Staff will move on, players move on. You have to
Speaker 9: make a decision about Mozzie Smith, whether you know you
Speaker 9: need to do something differently there. But they they they honestly,
Speaker 9: they don't have a choice. They don't have a choice.
Speaker 9: Did you say DJ Reader signed with somebody.
Speaker 7: If the board?
Speaker 2: I thought he did too. I thought he signed with someone.
Speaker 2: I don't know who, but I thought I thought. I
Speaker 2: saw that I could be wrong. Everything's flying around, so.
Speaker 9: I know that's what I was, the same thing, and
Speaker 9: okay with him and A'shawn Robertson was, Yeah, See DJ
Speaker 9: Reader would have been a great would have been a
Speaker 9: great signing for them. They don't have the money to
Speaker 9: sign the sign even to sign a guy like that.
Speaker 9: So to me, it's they they have made their bed
Speaker 9: with who they've drafted, you know, and that's on them.
Speaker 9: And they they believe, right or wrong, that Mozzie Smith
Speaker 9: could play one technique in this league. Let's see, we
Speaker 9: don't have confidence. No, we don't have confidence. But you
Speaker 9: know what we're sitting here doing radio. They're drafting players
Speaker 9: and that, and you don't have to believe what they're
Speaker 9: doing over there. But you know what, that's that's that's
Speaker 9: what it is right now. That is, until things change.
Speaker 9: That is the way it is right now.
Speaker 8: This is a totally different situation. But just to use
Speaker 8: that as an example, for years Tyron Smith and his situation,
Speaker 8: how many times we would end the season, go to
Speaker 8: training camp and be talking, well, have they have they
Speaker 8: gotten some kind of cushion or a backup that can
Speaker 8: be a legit backup for him when he has an
Speaker 8: injury again it has to go out. And many many
Speaker 8: years that wasn't the case, that was not ever the
Speaker 8: case until last year. At times I thought those backups
Speaker 8: did a pretty good job in the way they handle
Speaker 8: when he was out. But it's just kind of going
Speaker 8: to that, like, you know the situation, but how are
Speaker 8: you kind of preparing yourself for worst case scenario type
Speaker 8: of deal or if this doesn't pan out, who do
Speaker 8: we actually have to be able to give some extra.
Speaker 6: And that's what's concerning to me, and really quickly, if
Speaker 6: Mozzie did not drop that weight, then fans and analysts
Speaker 6: such as ourselves would probably be more confident in the
Speaker 6: likelihood of him taking step forward in or two because
Speaker 6: then you could say, oh, well, he only needs to
Speaker 6: work on his get off. For example, he only needs
Speaker 6: to work on learning the playbook a little bit more. Okay,
Speaker 6: fair enough, But when you throw into the mix that
Speaker 6: he's dropped so much weight that he now has to
Speaker 6: reapply that weight in order to be an effective nose
Speaker 6: tackle while also quickening his get off while also deepening
Speaker 6: his knowledge of the playbook.
Speaker 7: That's what makes it more concerning. And that's why.
Speaker 6: And I'm again I'm not saying that Mazzi Smith cannot
Speaker 6: be an impact guy in this league. I believe he
Speaker 6: can if Zimmer can turn him around and everything can
Speaker 6: come to fruition like it needs to. But there are
Speaker 6: too many variables as we have the conversation working against
Speaker 6: the argument of saying, oh, well, it's Mazi and that's
Speaker 6: what we got. No, it needs to be Mazi and insurance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think that the other thing you
Speaker 2: got a factor in though, when you talk about that insurance,
Speaker 2: is you know, you could get to June. You could
Speaker 2: get to July and the Cowboys could make a trade,
Speaker 2: like they may not have a lot of money against
Speaker 2: the cap to be able to go out and sign
Speaker 2: a free agent, but in the same way they got
Speaker 2: Jonathan Hankins they can find a team that's like, you
Speaker 2: know this veteran guy. I don't know if we necessarily
Speaker 2: want to have the long term, we'd be willing to
Speaker 2: give up that player for a pick, and then you
Speaker 2: find your guy. Like I think, all I'm saying is
Speaker 2: I agree with you that they're going to have to
Speaker 2: do more from a depth standpoint, But when you look
Speaker 2: at it from the standpoint of who their starters are
Speaker 2: going to be day one, I think they feel like,
Speaker 2: we got the guys that we're gonna roll with, and
Speaker 2: and and right or wrong, they got the guys that
Speaker 2: are gonna roll with, and we'll get to see what
Speaker 2: they can do. I personally think with Masie Smith, I
Speaker 2: think he overcorrected. I think he's hearing all that about
Speaker 2: I need to get off, get off, get off. Oh
Speaker 2: if I'm lighter, maybe I get off faster. I think
Speaker 2: too exactly. And I think I think that happened to him,
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes that happens with rookies. They're trying
Speaker 2: to acclimate to the NFL, and they can find themselves
Speaker 2: in tough situations because they're just searching for answers, and
Speaker 2: if there's not the right coach in their ear, giving
Speaker 2: them the right information and guiding them they will end
Speaker 2: up in a path way off.
Speaker 9: You can watch Chris Jenkins, who's Place three technique for Michigan,
Speaker 9: and he has the same problem in this draft.
Speaker 2: Is that a Michigan thing.
Speaker 9: It's a Michigan There's an absolutely thing. I'm sitting there
Speaker 9: watching tape. I'm like, oh, look, Chris Jenkins has the
Speaker 9: same problem as Mazzie Smith had. You know, it's the
Speaker 9: way they play their scheme. You know, it is they
Speaker 9: play a tick late, they read, they react, and then
Speaker 9: they go that's what they do. So, you know, and
Speaker 9: I think I think it really affected Mazy though. I
Speaker 9: think that deep down inside, I think all the criticism
Speaker 9: hurt him.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 9: I just you know, just you know the way that
Speaker 9: maybe you know, the weight loss, what we're talking about,
Speaker 9: his reaction, just this you know, sudden way of doing things.
Speaker 9: I think that I think emotionally he got a little
Speaker 9: scarred by all the criticism of him in this uh
Speaker 9: this year.
Speaker 2: And that's what makes me think it gives me at
Speaker 2: least some hope that you put another another voice in
Speaker 2: his ear that maybe is kind of working with him
Speaker 2: and getting and building him up a bit, maybe they
Speaker 2: can get out of him what they expected. Let's take
Speaker 2: our final break. When we come back, I want to
Speaker 2: get a quick scouting report on Eric Kendricks and what
Speaker 2: he can bring to this team and maybe the areas
Speaker 2: that that maybe he doesn't have a lot to add,
Speaker 2: and where the Cowboys may need to supplement that. We'll
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Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you, Brian. Sure, I love that our team
Speaker 2: looks out for each other. Yeah, I was about to
Speaker 2: head it to Brian. Give me a quick scoutter report
Speaker 2: on Eric Kendricks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably a step slow than what he was in
Speaker 3: the past.
Speaker 9: He was an All Pro for Mike zimmer while back,
Speaker 9: but he's still the thing about I think the flow
Speaker 9: of the.
Speaker 3: Way he plays is really good.
Speaker 9: He's not the same guy he was with the Minnesota Vikings,
Speaker 9: but if you talk about a guy that could step
Speaker 9: up phill gaps, take people on, solid tackler. Like I said,
Speaker 9: the flow is there, the movement's there. That getting off
Speaker 9: the blocks, avoiding blocks is there. Sometimes the ball get
Speaker 9: to the edge and he just just misses it, but
Speaker 9: other times he'll make the play. I think he's a
Speaker 9: much better pass rusher now than he is a cover guy.
Speaker 9: So I would try and incorporate him more in that
Speaker 9: play in that type of way. If you want to
Speaker 9: bring him as the extra blitzer, I think that would
Speaker 9: be a really good thing for him. I don't know
Speaker 9: how much coverage that you really really want to put
Speaker 9: him in overall, But as far as the tackling, the
Speaker 9: toughness getting to the football again, step laid on a
Speaker 9: little bit. It's not an all the time thing, but
Speaker 9: you do see it happen to him occasionally.
Speaker 3: But still a good player.
Speaker 9: But he one time in his career for Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 9: he was an All Pro player and he could He's
Speaker 9: not at that level though.
Speaker 2: Is it possible that what you're seeing on tape, as
Speaker 2: far as him being a tick slow at times, yep,
Speaker 2: could be a result of the fact that that was
Speaker 2: a new system for him last year.
Speaker 3: I just I just think that.
Speaker 9: I just think there were times where when you used
Speaker 9: to watch Kendrick's play where it was he was already
Speaker 9: to the edge and he was he was he he reads.
Speaker 3: Things still really well. And I talk about the flow
Speaker 3: sometimes the linebackers that.
Speaker 9: Get caught up and stuff. He's he's got the flow down.
Speaker 9: Part of it is where's that burst, that extra little
Speaker 9: burst to kind of close the play out there when
Speaker 9: it gets to the edge. Anything right at him, He's
Speaker 9: going to be just fine at Is.
Speaker 2: He the best linebacker on the scene right now?
Speaker 7: Yes, well he knows.
Speaker 3: You know. And and it's a benefit for him too.
Speaker 9: You know, if he would have gone to San Francisco,
Speaker 9: he would been playing behind those outstanding linebackers they have.
Speaker 2: You know, Bowman's going to miss some time, I would assume, right.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, probably a little bit, you know.
Speaker 2: You said Bowman, not meaning Navar Bowman. I'm telling the
Speaker 2: other who was the other other lineback of that got hurt?
Speaker 3: Law Green Law. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so Bowman was way back in looked at him boom,
Speaker 9: Okay he's been but see but yeah, that to me though,
Speaker 9: I kind of feel like though that him coming in
Speaker 9: here and knowing Mike's system is a huge benefit for him.
Speaker 9: He doesn't have to go and learn completely another system,
Speaker 9: even though he learned a system, you.
Speaker 3: Know, with the with the chargers there and what he
Speaker 3: was able to do.
Speaker 9: But the familiarity has with Mike, the calls, he can
Speaker 9: help others around him. That's that's a benefit when guys
Speaker 9: like when Overstown has a question on why and then
Speaker 9: you know, Kendricks could say, this is why, you know,
Speaker 9: and he can explain that. And whoever else that they draft,
Speaker 9: there's plenty of There's plenty of linebackers in this draft.
Speaker 9: Some of them banged up, some of the amre nicked up,
Speaker 9: but they're gonna pick one. They're gonna pick one here
Speaker 9: and so you know you're gonna have probably a couple
Speaker 9: of linebackers and even Demon Clark is going to a
Speaker 9: young linebacker too. It's gonna have to kind of pick
Speaker 9: some things up too, So having Kendricks here on this
Speaker 9: I think can help overall what they're.
Speaker 3: Trying to do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's I was gonna say, he's instantly, instinctually, he's
Speaker 6: your best linebacker right now. As far as just playing
Speaker 6: the ball, he's your best linebacker right now. And Brian
Speaker 6: touched on a point that I wanted to bring up
Speaker 6: really quickly, the ability to mentor as will and help
Speaker 6: these young linebackers acclimate to Mike Zimmer system. I had
Speaker 6: a good conversation with Demon Clark just yesterday about the
Speaker 6: signing of Eric Kendricks and the retirement of lve E
Speaker 6: and like how that works. And you know, Demon was
Speaker 6: very he was progressed well under LV because of the
Speaker 6: mentoring that happened with Leyton Vanderesh And in the absence
Speaker 6: of that, you could see Demon kind of have some
Speaker 6: strong questions. Now you bring in another veteran, another formal
Speaker 6: all pro and Eric n new system and a new
Speaker 6: system who can also, like Brian say, he can sit
Speaker 6: you down, as Demon Clark and say this is what
Speaker 6: Zimmer is expecting, this is your cue, this is your read.
Speaker 6: I think that'll help demon Clark take a step forward
Speaker 6: in year three.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Mike's gonna get on these linebackers. He's gonna yell
Speaker 9: at them, He's gonna call him names.
Speaker 3: And somebody's gonna feel sorry for themselves.
Speaker 9: And I learned this in the wordy and you just
Speaker 9: kind of fight back, just you know, you call him
Speaker 9: an MF or two and then it kind.
Speaker 7: Of works out. Dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can just kind of you fight with Mike.
Speaker 3: He fights back, and then you hug it out.
Speaker 2: And everything, and he respects you because you fought back.
Speaker 9: Mike and I used to battle quite a bit, and
Speaker 9: I to this day, I love Mike and I I
Speaker 9: I'll say this, I've said on several platforms, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike,
Speaker 9: come in here and save the day for this team.
Speaker 9: I know the roster and stuff doesn't look bad, but
Speaker 9: Mike is going to make this thing buttoned up on
Speaker 9: the defensive.
Speaker 2: Side of the ball, which is the part that we
Speaker 2: all have been like. Man at times, they just don't
Speaker 2: look like the Bay game.
Speaker 3: They look very disconnected football exactly right.
Speaker 2: All right. I appreciate you guys, you honest. We will
Speaker 2: be back.
Speaker 8: Oh I was gonna speak to.
Speaker 2: Go amber.
Speaker 3: To say it, damn, it's a dang.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, dang, I was gonna say. Listening to Brian's
Speaker 8: counting report, I don't like hearing the fact that he's
Speaker 8: a step behind, you know, and closing in, just just
Speaker 8: because we've seen it before with Layton at times where
Speaker 8: he was just that bit slow and in closing in
Speaker 8: and we saw how much that actually affected that part
Speaker 8: of the defense and in the field and just always
Speaker 8: being just a quick step behind. So don't love that,
Speaker 8: But I do like the fact everything that you guys said,
Speaker 8: the relationship that he has there. He's been what nine
Speaker 8: years in the in the league, so that's a long time,
Speaker 8: and that's good to have someone like that with that
Speaker 8: kind of mix.
Speaker 2: I will say this though, quick, real quick. When you
Speaker 2: said it ticks slow, I don't take it as he's
Speaker 2: a ticks slow all the time, number one. But I
Speaker 2: also didn't take it as like I think part of
Speaker 2: that is he's a ticks slow compared to what we
Speaker 2: saw in Minnesota where he was playing at an all
Speaker 2: pro level.
Speaker 16: If you think that's the guy, you're not it's it's yeah,
Speaker 16: But the flow, the part of the moving to the
Speaker 16: ball and stuff is when he was at his best, Yes, exactly, which,
Speaker 16: by the way, play at a tremendous level.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You could say that about Tyron Smith, like Tyns Smith
Speaker 2: ain't the Tyron Smith from back long time ago to
Speaker 2: Smith will still play, right, And so I think that's
Speaker 2: the point, Like the dude can play, it's just a
Speaker 2: matter of not the same guy he.
Speaker 7: Was twenty nine. I want to say I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 6: But I would also say when it comes to him
Speaker 6: being a tick slower, yeah, you contextually put it up again,
Speaker 6: it's him versus him, not him versus right, what you're
Speaker 6: saying in the locker room, the present locker room. But
Speaker 6: also I would tandem him with we talked about the
Speaker 6: mom but Overshown when he's back and he's back in
Speaker 6: full form that we haven't seen him in regular season snaps.
Speaker 6: You saw him in the preseason, yes, speed, he's right there, instinctual.
Speaker 7: And he has the ability to get over there.
Speaker 6: So I think when you combine Overshown, Prime over Show
Speaker 6: when he's back and he's ready to go, and Dumont
Speaker 6: Clark possibly taking a step forward, and then Eric Kendrick's
Speaker 6: being able to mentor and still play at a high level.
Speaker 7: I think the linebacker corpse is solid.
Speaker 6: It's the dts that we gotta figure out.
Speaker 2: All right, let me said you guys, jon Us. We're
Speaker 2: back next week and we'll jump back in. We'll have
Speaker 2: more to talk about on the roster and how it's
Speaker 2: filling out and where the Cowboys. We'll talk about next
Speaker 2: week some of the holes that we think the Cowboys
Speaker 2: really got to focus in on where they got to
Speaker 2: grow here heading into the draft. Until then, for Patrick Walker,
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