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Speaker 1: and JOOKI, I'm pretty sure it's dead.

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Speaker 2: It's coming. That's way.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I said, Hiraz Jessensase, Hey boo, it's

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Speaker 1: me Roz. We've got another listener episode today, which I'm

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Speaker 1: always excited about. And as always, if you want to

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Speaker 1: be in a listener episode coming up here soon, just

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Speaker 1: send me an email at Ghosted by Roz at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com and put in the subject line listener episode.

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Speaker 1: We're getting very close to Halloween. It's October, my favorite

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Speaker 1: month ever, also because my birthday is the twentieth and

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Speaker 1: last year, on the nineteenth, we did the first ever

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Speaker 1: live Ghosted in Los Angeles and it was such a

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Speaker 1: to meet everyone and we just had a blast. And

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Speaker 1: unfortunately we can't do that this year, but I will

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Speaker 1: be celebrating my birthday. It's gonna be weird this year

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Speaker 1: whole lot. But it's actually it's a big birthday next Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: the twentieth, So don't worry. You don't have to get

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Speaker 1: me a gift or anything. This isn't technically a drag show.

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Speaker 1: But if this was a drag show, you know, it

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Speaker 1: would constantly be like, give me money, tip me, my

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Speaker 1: venmo is at Queen Roz. My PayPal is ghosted by

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Speaker 1: ras at gmail dot com. Tip me. But it's not

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Speaker 1: a drag show, so I'm not gonna do that. But

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Speaker 1: I will be having a big birthday on Tuesday, the twentieth.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is so fun. Okay, here's who I talked to.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Kit, who grew up in a haunted house.

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Speaker 1: Then I talked to Joey, who encountered maybe an angel.

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Speaker 1: I'll let Joey tell it. And Joey's the one that

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Speaker 1: recently I shared his story about encountering his boyfriend, but

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Speaker 1: then it wasn't his boyfriend, So go back two episodes

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Speaker 1: who's a drag queen who does ghost tours in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: Because I'm Patreon, I did a video where I drive

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Speaker 1: think I'm just gonna keep doing those videos on Patreon.

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Speaker 1: I had a good time, so go check that out

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Speaker 1: on the first tier and the second tier of Patreon

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Speaker 1: called On with the Show, you will hear a special

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Speaker 1: bonus story from one of this week's listeners. That'll be Kit,

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Speaker 1: who had a terrifying experience in the night in Auckland,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. You will also be hearing on today's episode Brad,

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Speaker 1: who went to a an infamous Beverly Hills mansion and

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Speaker 1: may have had some kind of energy or entity follow

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Speaker 1: him home. All right, here is the special Halloween month

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Speaker 1: of October's listener episode On with the Show.

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Speaker 3: There's a ghost in my house?

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Speaker 1: Hello, Kit, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm good? How are you?

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Speaker 3: Roz so good?

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Speaker 1: Where are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm in Oregon, I live in Bend, Oregon.

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Speaker 1: Lovely you sent me this email and I was like, damn, Okay,

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Speaker 1: there is a lot going on here. So you grew

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Speaker 1: up in a haunted house?

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Speaker 4: I did, yes, absolutely, what was going on with that? Okay?

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Speaker 5: So I grew up in a small town in Nebraska,

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Speaker 4: The town was sort of built around it.

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Speaker 5: So it was gosh when I in the eighties, it

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Speaker 4: Oh, I love.

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Speaker 1: That this house is like, I'm here, you guys can

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Speaker 1: create a whole town around me.

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Speaker 4: That's right. So it's a pretty small house.

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Speaker 5: And there are just two bedroom, like one small bedroom downstairs,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So so anyway, I was conceived in that house.

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Speaker 5: But before I was born, my parents they always felt

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Speaker 6: And this aunt is witchy as well. She long was

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Speaker 6: They said, they would hear me in my crib and

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Speaker 6: See, so I'm not really sure. And then when we

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Speaker 6: And she was like, oh, I'm just gonna shake that off.

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Speaker 6: She said it was so sing songy and terrifying that

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Speaker 6: Like I could be talking to a ghost right now.

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Speaker 6: How dope would that be? How dare you take that

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Speaker 6: like inviting him because I'd named him Big Boy. That

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Speaker 6: big Boy, you know, I'm sorry, Like my mom didn't

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Speaker 6: I'm okay with it. So I didn't, you know, nothing happened.

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Speaker 6: But like shortly after, my mom started having these like

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Speaker 6: poltergeist tricks played on her where she The first one

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Speaker 6: her kaboodle, like in the very first drawer, and to

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Speaker 6: No, my dad died two years ago. Actually, oh, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, she's she's pretty. She's hesitant to even talk

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Speaker 7: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: So that's sort of is that kind of her ability is?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, she has those like premonitory things, the most yeah,

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Speaker 4: In we live.

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Speaker 6: Our town was just outside Lincoln, Nebraska, so she worked

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Speaker 6: Her name was Candice Harms, and it was I want

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hello Joey, where are you?

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Speaker 2: I am coming to you from Mario, Quebec. That's Quebec, Quebec, Montreal, Quebec.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you said it so fancy.

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Speaker 2: So again Marial Quebec.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Well, thanks so much for being on. I

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. So it was the most amazing moment

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Speaker 2: We intended to get something very quickly, like we knew

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Speaker 2: It wasn't Joseph. Only my parents or like my family

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Speaker 2: I'm so anxious to say this because it's like it

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Speaker 2: And she was like witches and I was like boy,

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Speaker 2: it was like boy, yeah, yo ya yay. I was

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Speaker 2: like what. I was like, whoa? And when she said that,

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Speaker 2: I just knew, listen to everything she's gonna say right now, Joey,

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Speaker 1: So I'm just like, did you have like those preconceived

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Speaker 2: Cause my family has a lot of psychic people, and

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Speaker 2: looked like. So she was saying, she said witches, and

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00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: she said it with such like a presence, like such

434
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 2: profound meaning, and I was like, witches And then like

435
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: inside me, all these feelings started happening. And she was like, yes,

436
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: it's very difficult when we're here and we have a

437
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 2: very hard time because the world is very difficult. And

438
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow, and she was like, but

439
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 2: don't worry, but you need to listen to these words.

440
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: What you think about, you bring about your thoughts. You

441
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: have to be impeccable. And she used that word, you

442
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 2: have to be impeccable with your word. She was like,

443
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: what you think about yourself, what you think about others,

444
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: it has an effect. And I'm eleven, so I'm just like,

445
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: uh huh uh huh. I'm just like taking this all in.

446
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: And then I was like yes and uh. Basically I

447
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: told her I it here saying Florida and how I

448
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: just felt so alone, like everyone made fun of me.

449
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: And she was like, don't worry about all that, all

450
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: of the all your differences make you powerful or like

451
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: I was special something around that, and then she hugged

452
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: me and rose. When she hugged me, it was like

453
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 2: she was sucking out the badness out of me. Like

454
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: I felt so relieved, so completely rejuvenated in that moment. Now,

455
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: by the way, as I said in the story, when

456
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: I typed it, my mother is she's nowhere in sight.

457
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: And this was a full conversation. Time was going by,

458
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: like I saw people passing us, people ringing up their

459
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 2: groceries and leaving, like nothing was strange about the moment.

460
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: I was just talking to a woman, and so she's

461
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: hugging me and it was the best in the world.

462
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: And then she held my face and she was like,

463
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: don't forget the words I said, my little witch, I

464
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: will see you again in another life. And then she

465
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: stood up. But when she like we we uh, let

466
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: go of the embrace. As she's standing up, it was

467
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: like she was just gone, like I blamed her like

468
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: for a second, and she was gone, and I was

469
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: like I was starting to panic, like I was like,

470
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: what the whoa? And then out of nowhere, my mother

471
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: is like she turned around at me in the same

472
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: kind of spot, like a little far away. She's like,

473
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: joo camea And I was like.

474
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 6: Uh what.

475
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: She's like, let's go. We're getting dinner. And I was

476
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: like no, there's no way, Like I was just here

477
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: for like like ten minutes, like you didn't do the groceries.

478
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: I think, I said, I was mom, I was just

479
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: talking to and she's like, you aren't talking to nobody.

480
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: Come on, And so we get our stuff. We get

481
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: into the car and my mom sees like I'm shaking,

482
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: and I kind of started to cry. But I was

483
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: so happy and I felt like just amazing honestly, and

484
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: I told her what happened everything, and my mom was like, well,

485
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: that was probably an angel, Joey, and you have to

486
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: listen to what she said. And I was like okay,

487
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: and my mom just it was like so normal to her.

488
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, that was really cool. Don't worry

489
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: about it. And we just went home and we cooked dinner.

490
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: But after that day, I never feared being gay. I

491
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: never feared being myself or being like spiritual. I mean,

492
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: before I was eleven, I had crazy psychic experiences. Once

493
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: I passed the age of ten, they sort of lessened

494
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: until like I came out and fully became myself, like

495
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: once I was in college.

496
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: But that so, why do you think, why do you

497
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: think that that happened at that moment in a grocery store.

498
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: Do you have any idea?

499
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: Well, that day in particular was kind of insane because Okay, obviously,

500
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: in Staten Island, like I didn't, I wasn't bullied at all,

501
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: like everyone like kind of enjoyed my differences. But in Florida,

502
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: like guys and girls did not like that I was feminine,

503
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: that I liked theater, that I liked acting and stuff.

504
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: They were very hostile towards this and this day, like

505
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: it was like a whole group of kids at the

506
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: lunch table were telling me such add full things like

507
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: I have to like sports, I have to do this.

508
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: So I was really upset about I was so angry

509
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: and upset, and I never told my parents how horrible

510
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: people were to me in school. So I feel like

511
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: this happened at such a time where I was so defeated,

512
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: and I felt like maybe I could have gone down

513
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: a downward spiral and became like bad or something like

514
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: a bad kid, because just no one was understanding me,

515
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: and I felt so alone. But after that moment, a

516
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 2: lot of things changed with my attitude, like I just

517
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: had a I don't give an f attitude after that,

518
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: and of many things changed with how I dealt with

519
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: bullies at school and things like that.

520
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: So did you identify as a witch?

521
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: My yeah, I mean my mother realized after that day

522
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: because we told my father and he was like, well,

523
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: let's go to the bookstore. So we went to the bookstore.

524
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: And there was a spiritual store near us in Sight

525
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: on Rise. It was called Magic with a K and

526
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: this witch, this wicked priestess who we didn't know she

527
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: was Wicked Priests, but she was like, I'm going to

528
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: give you Stop Cunningham and Silver Raven Wolf, and you're

529
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: gonna read that, and then if you like that, I'll

530
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: give you some more information. And I went back a

531
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: week later read them all and was like, okay, so

532
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: this is for me, and that was pretty much it.

533
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this woman sounds so this, this this

534
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: witch angel, it just sounds so magical. I'm just thinking

535
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: about get it, Like I'm thinking about like the gay

536
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: angel glam squad that probably put it together for her,

537
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know someone was on hair.

538
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost I'm trying to remember if she had

539
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: any shoes, and all I remember is seeing nail polish

540
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: on toes. I think she was probably barefoot. Like it

541
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: was so crazy.

542
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: I'll never really thought about every little static.

543
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. Oh so wild.

544
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: Tell me the story you said was crazier? Another crazy.

545
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: So I've had I have a list here because I

546
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: hope I get to come back, because I have tons

547
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: of experiences, well not tons, but like enough that where

548
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: they were so significant that you'll never forget them.

549
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 6: But this, in particular was.

550
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: The only one that I felt was bad, but I

551
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: still was so excited about it. Okay, so okay, I was. Okay,

552
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say dating, but you know what

553
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I was seeing this dude and he

554
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: was he was born and raised in Florida. He knew

555
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: all these things that me and my sister, who are

556
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: from Sena and had, you know, we didn't really know,

557
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: but I was. Me and my sister were teenagers, like

558
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: I was seventeen and she was like, she's three years

559
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: under the mesis she was like around fourteen years. So

560
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: he goes, hey, I want to take you guys to

561
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: this abandoned house in Davy, Florida. Davey, Florida, is this

562
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,239
Speaker 2: very It's in Fort Lauderdale, so it's not like in

563
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: the country, but it is very spread out, so like

564
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: there's farms and things like that, and it's very country

565
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: western raws. So not my style at all, but it's

566
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: very interesting because this house it's a mansion, and the

567
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: whole block is like they're far enough apart where you

568
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: can have great privacy. However, every single house was occupied

569
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: for years, but this particular house. He kept telling us.

570
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: This guy I was seeing, he was like, by the way,

571
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: no one will move into this house. It's been vacant

572
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: for ten years. No one will go in here. Every

573
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: time someone moves and they move out, and me and

574
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: my sister does it.

575
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: Did it look busted or no?

576
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: That outside it looked busted, but when I tell you

577
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: about inside, it was so weird. And me and my

578
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: sister were like, oh, yeah, let's do that. So we

579
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: get there and he takes us around the the It

580
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: was like acres of land and all the other neighbors

581
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: had like farm animals that would like come in to

582
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: this land. It was fenced in though it was so creepy,

583
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: and we were like if if my sister joked, it

584
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: looks like a civil war place. And then he was like,

585
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, uh this is like where they kept

586
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: like plantations. And me and my sister were like, oh

587
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: that's fucking gross. Excuse me for cursing, and and uh

588
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: so we noticed and I was like, so how are

589
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: we going to get in? He's like, oh, the door's

590
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: always open. I was like that's impossible, but no. We

591
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: walked right to the front door and it was it

592
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: was open, and I was like, Okay, we get in

593
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: there and everything is beautifully finished. Everything's would. There's even

594
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: stealing fans going. That was wild. The electricity freakin worked.

595
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: But no one lives in this house. That's I was

596
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: paying for that. I have no idea I was thinking,

597
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: because there was always a there. He told me the

598
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: realtor sign. There was a realtor sign outside. They were

599
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: probably trying to sell this for ten years, as he said.

600
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was selling the truth, but

601
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 2: like it was evident nobody wanted to go near this house.

602
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: Like people like when we were walking around the neighborhood,

603
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: people were looking at us and shaking their heads like

604
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: be careful over there. Oh the place is crazy. And

605
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 2: me and my sister are like, this is so weird

606
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: because they wouldn't even bring their dogs over to the house,

607
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: like they would circle around. So we were just like, Okay,

608
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: this is a little eerie whatever, but like again, we

609
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: didn't care. So we walk in. Everything's like newly finished,

610
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: but there's no furniture at all. It's totally bare, and

611
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: he goes, you've got to see this bathroom. So we're

612
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: walking around and then we shut the door. Now this

613
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 2: is August in Florida, the worst month ever, so it's

614
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 2: very humid. We were all sweating. We get into this house.

615
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: It's freezing, like freezing, and Ali, excuse me. My sister

616
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: and I are just like the a season and he

617
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: was like no, and of course this kid doesn't. We're

618
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: just like, oh, okay. So then he goes you go

619
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: to see his bathroom. So we get to this bathroom ross.

620
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: It's a huge bathroom room. It is completely tiled with

621
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: ornate like Mexican like tile, Like it's very lovely. But

622
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: the whole wall with the sink is like a whole

623
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: wall is a mirror, okay, And then behind the mirror

624
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: is like this huge shower and there's a big bang

625
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: quette so there's like a bench in there. So the kid,

626
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: I was saying, sits in the shower and he's like

627
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: just chilling there. And me and my sister, because this

628
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: was the dawn of the iPhone, we were just taking

629
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: selfiees and being silly. So my sister and I are

630
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: like standing next to each other, but like there's a

631
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 2: space between us, and we're looking at the mirror and

632
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: the only light that was on was the one in

633
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: the shower, and it was quite it was bright enough,

634
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: but it wasn't fully lit bathroom, so whatever. So we're

635
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: looking at the mirror taking selfies, and then all of

636
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: a sudden, me and Ali see through the mirror that

637
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: the guy I was seeing, his face like looks like

638
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: he just saw it goes. He's like milk white, and

639
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: he he's like he can't talk, he's like ough, and

640
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: he's pointing at the mirror. So me and Ali look

641
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: behind us and we're like, are you okay, sweetie, And

642
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: then where we look at the mirror, and my sister

643
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: grabs my arm and we're like, oh, like gay gasp,

644
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: and okay, this is I don't care if it sounds weird.

645
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: This happened. Purple smoke was in the mirror. It was

646
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: like pools of purple smoke were in.

647
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: The Prince concert.

648
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: Possible why like exactly, Oh my god, I'm boring you

649
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: in exactly like that. So it was like purple smoke

650
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: in this mirror, and I could not look away. My

651
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: sister kept like grabbing my arm though, like to pull

652
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 2: me away from looking, but like she was also looking

653
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: at it too. Like we were just mesmerized by this.

654
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: And the kid I was saying was like from a

655
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: Christian family, So it was what bent out. But me

656
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: and Ali were like whoa, And so me and my

657
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 2: sister looking at this mirror, and then all of a sudden,

658
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: in between the space that we had like standing next

659
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: to each other, a woman appears like her face it

660
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: was so weak cut, I'm getting goose. Okay, she was.

661
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: So you only saw her like when you were looking

662
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: in the mirror, or you could see her in the

663
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: room as well.

664
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: No, no, no, she was only in the mirror. But she

665
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: was definitely it was like like you know when you

666
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: go to the Haunted Mansion in Disney World and you

667
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: and you like see the ghost next to you in

668
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: the cart. It was like that, but she was totally solid.

669
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: She was, but she was This is also weird. She

670
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: was like black and white. She had no color, and

671
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: she was wearing definitely like an anti Bellamish dress, but

672
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: she had a bonnet on, which I historically I figured, oh,

673
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: she was like a servant or something whatever. So we're

674
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: looking at this woman and she's staring directly at me

675
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: and my sister, and my sister is trying to pull

676
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: me out of the room because the one I was

677
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: seeing ran out of that bathroom so fast. When that

678
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: girl when that woman appeared. We didn't even know you left.

679
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: So looking at this woman and the smoke is still

680
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: going behind her, and I'm just so fascinated. And now

681
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: this is where I felt it gets a little evil.

682
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: I literally felt a suction pull to this mirror, and

683
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: at one point I was reaching my left hand toward

684
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: the mirror. At that point, my sister finally got scared

685
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: and slapped my face on the other side to get

686
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: me to not look at the mirror. So once I

687
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: didn't look, I didn't have my eyes on the mirror,

688
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 2: I kind of snapped out of it. And then I

689
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: looked at her and I was like, whoa. And then

690
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: we looked at the mirror and this woman looked like

691
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: she was going to come out of the mirror, and

692
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: we screamed and we ran out of the house and

693
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: we slammed the door behind us, and my sister was like,

694
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 2: I Am never coming back here, and Joey, we can't

695
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: go in there. It's freaking I was like what. But

696
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: the whole ride home, I was like, what the hell

697
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 2: was that? It was so wild, it was crazy.

698
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure like, oh yep, that's what happens.

699
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Seriously, because now, did you.

700
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: Get any selfies with the purple smell?

701
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: No? In fact, it's so funny you mentioned that because

702
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: I just remember this detail. Every freaking selfie my sister

703
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: and I took did like there was something wrong with

704
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: the photos, like we had literally like we were doing

705
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: selfies like we saw the iPhone, I mean in first

706
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: generation take it No, Yeah, And when we got home

707
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: it was like all smeared and like a weird flash,

708
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: like nothing we took had taken and that it even

709
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: uh confirms for me. Okay, this wasn't good. This was

710
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: not good. This was a bad experience. But I love

711
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: this stuff. So I was just like, whoa, Allie, did

712
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: you see the smoke? And she was like, yes, why

713
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: was it purple? Like we were just so confused. But

714
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: the woman looked like an actual woman that was standing

715
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: in the bathroom and we had happened to be there

716
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: as well, But she was not disily with us, and

717
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: we did not feel an energy next to us. It

718
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: was definitely coming from the mirror. It was insane.

719
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: I've been ghosted too. Oh my god. We are joined

720
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: by Alex also known as Chicago z Own Wanda Screw. Hello, Hello,

721
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: how's it going so good. I'm so excited to talk

722
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: to you.

723
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 8: Same same.

724
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: So you're a drag queen in Chicago and you dos

725
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: I do?

726
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 7: Yes.

727
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 8: I think I think I'm the only drag queen who

728
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 8: does ghost tours definitely here, maybe in the world, but

729
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 8: who knows.

730
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: It's crossed my mind of doing it because actually, the

731
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: last job I had before I just started being real

732
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: ast dressful as all the time was being a tour

733
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: guide at a movie studio. And I love, I love

734
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: being a tour guide, but I just am always afraid

735
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 1: of walking around the streets and drag and who knows

736
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: what could happen with that? How is that for you?

737
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 8: You know, it's been interesting. That's kind of the first

738
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 8: thing that a lot of people say as a concern

739
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 8: when when they find out about the tours. But you know,

740
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 8: I've really only ever had positive experiences. I've almost never

741
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 8: had any you know, any people trying to like disrupt

742
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 8: or say anything. It's been actually kind of a really

743
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 8: nice way to meet people.

744
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: Do you do it during the day or at night?

745
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 8: Both? So I actually I started as a museum drag

746
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 8: tour guide through this company called Museum Hack that wanted

747
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 8: to try out doing drag queen tours in the Art Institute.

748
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 8: So I started out doing that and that's like middle

749
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 8: of the day on Saturdays, and so I would sometimes

750
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 8: I would take the train and go down there in

751
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 8: the middle of the day, and I mean that was

752
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 8: really really fun and like going.

753
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: I love the Art Institute. Oh it's it's amaze Sunday

754
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: afternoon at the island of La Granjo.

755
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 8: Oh yes, Oh, I walked by that every every time

756
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 8: I did it, and like going to the members lounge

757
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 8: in full drag and just like sitting at the bar

758
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 8: was pretty amazing. So I had a really fun time.

759
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 8: And then I thought, well, I love I love talking

760
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 8: about ghosts and spooky stories and history, so I should

761
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 8: just like try to make a ghost tour thing. And

762
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 8: that was like four years ago, I think, And here

763
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 8: we are, so yeah.

764
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: That's incredible. So what are some of the places that

765
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: you see in Chicago.

766
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 8: So we were limited in the walking tour by everything

767
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 8: being within five or ten minutes of each other because

768
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 8: we needed to keep it snappy. This year, I'm doing

769
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 8: them virtually, so I'm basically just like telling spooky stories

770
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 8: with photos and videos to back it up. On zoom

771
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 8: for this Halloween, but the original tour, we go to

772
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 8: the Congress Hotel, which is apparently one of the most

773
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 8: haunted hotels in the country slash definitely the most haunted

774
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 8: one in Chicago. And then we go to the Palmer

775
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 8: House Hotel, which now unfortunately has closed because of pandemic

776
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 8: things and hopefully it will reopen. And we go to

777
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 8: a theater that has a haunted alleyway behind it and

778
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 8: a part of the Chicago River that's apparently haunted as well.

779
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: Is it the theater where like Wicked used to be.

780
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 8: Did you see the episode of Celebrity Ghost Stories where she,

781
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 8: of course was on a gas starre that girl.

782
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: Don't ask me trivia about Celebrity ghost Stories, Yeah, especially

783
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: about miss Anna.

784
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 8: Miss Anna who is on it multiple times and has

785
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 8: dazing stories. But yeah, I retell her story because I

786
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 8: so I usually do the tour. Last year, I did

787
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 8: the tour in like Wicked, Witch of the West drag

788
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 8: every day every time I did it because I just,

789
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 8: I don't know, I have an obsession with with villains

790
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 8: of all kinds, but especially her, So I did. I

791
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 8: did that last year and so it was a perfect time.

792
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean that that alleyways is famous apparently

793
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 8: among touring theater companies that come through.

794
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: Can you tell us the story? I can't, so.

795
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 8: I'm going to try to get all the years right.

796
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 7: So it is.

797
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 8: Early nineteen hundreds. It is I believe nineteen oh three,

798
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 8: nineteen oh five, and it is December. It's one of

799
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 8: the last days of the year, and it's really snowy

800
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 8: and you know, blizzard outside, and all of these children

801
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 8: and their caretakers are going into the theater to watch

802
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 8: a Christmas pantomime called Mister blue Beard and Mister blue

803
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 8: Beard like it was. It was like a very long

804
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 8: show from what I can gather with, you know, huge

805
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 8: dance numbers and acrobatics and all this crazy stuff, right,

806
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 8: And there's a moment in the show that particular day

807
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 8: where one of the lights gets very hot above the stage.

808
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 8: And on this particular day, the theater was packed over capacity,

809
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 8: like people sitting in the aisles, people just crowding all

810
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 8: the way up. And this light got really hot and

811
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 8: started to spark on the scenery that was hanging above

812
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 8: the stage, and it was painted with lead based paint

813
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 8: because early nineteen hundreds, and it started to smolder the

814
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 8: set pieces that were up above the stage and slowly

815
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 8: spread until there started to be smoke. Once there was smoke,

816
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 8: people on stage started to kind of notice and get

817
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 8: weirded out, apparently, and then the audience started to notice.

818
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 8: So it kind of grew throughout the audience, people kind

819
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 8: of grumbling, starting to get up, not being sure what

820
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 8: to do. At this point, people backstage can see that

821
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 8: there is a fire building above them, and so, according

822
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 8: to legend, the stage manager throws open these big double

823
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 8: doors in the back part of the stage, which are

824
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 8: like loading doors, with the intention of getting the actors

825
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 8: out safely and having another big door that people could

826
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 8: leave through. By doing this, he creates a back draft basically,

827
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 8: and it whooshes this huge gust of cold wind into

828
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 8: the theater and creates what one person who was there

829
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 8: who survived describes as a three story fireball that like

830
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 8: balloons up on the stage and like shoots out onto

831
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 8: the whole audience. So now you have an entire audience

832
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 8: full of children that are like on fire. Basically, heats

833
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 8: are on fire, the carpets on fire, walls are on fire.

834
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 8: You know, they're starting to run towards the exits. This

835
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 8: was very old in times and things like this hadn't

836
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 8: be thought about yet. So all of the doors out

837
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 8: of the theater there were no exit doors onto the street.

838
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 8: If you notice nowadays, when you go into a theater

839
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 8: there are exit doors. Wherever there is street access, there

840
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 8: are exit doors. That was not the case. And also

841
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 8: the doors opened inward, so if you can imagine like

842
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 8: hundreds of people packing trying to get out a door

843
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 8: that opens in they basically were trapping themselves inside the theater.

844
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 8: So people got trampled, people got you know, crushed underneath

845
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 8: the weight of people who are trying to get out

846
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 8: above them, to the point that people in the balcony

847
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 8: started to jump off of the fire escapes in this

848
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 8: famous alley because they tried to get onto the fire

849
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 8: escapes and they found that they had not been finished

850
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 8: and they didn't go all the way to the ground.

851
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 8: So people were jumping two, three, six stories up to

852
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 8: try to get out of this burning building onto the

853
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 8: pavement and you know, hitting the ground really hard. And

854
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 8: according to legend, there was a stack of bodies six

855
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 8: feet high in that alley. Day God once the once

856
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 8: the fire department came so over I want to say

857
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 8: over eight hundred people died that day, and around two

858
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 8: hundred of them were children, so that you know, that

859
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 8: led to a lot of fire safety laws in theaters.

860
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 8: The theater had to be rebuilt, and to this day,

861
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 8: as recently as one Wicked was there. According to Celebrity

862
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 8: ghost Story, people who are there will who are doing shows,

863
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 8: we'll see we'll see people in early nineteen hundreds, garb

864
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 8: watching them in the backstage, to the point that one

865
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 8: summer I was doing it at Summer and Fall and

866
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 8: the Share show was doing the pre Broadway tryout, which amazing.

867
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 8: I saw it so many times. I loved it. And

868
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 8: the people who would kind of come upon the tour

869
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 8: as we were giving it, we're like, oh yeah, Like

870
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 8: when we were moving into the theater, people would tell

871
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 8: us this was called deaf Alley because you can like

872
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 8: feel it when you walk when you walk in.

873
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: Uh, it's very weird. It's uh, well, we always talk

874
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: about why theaters, like why are theaters so haunted? But

875
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: like that one, that's pretty catastrophic. What is that theater called? Again?

876
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 8: So it's gone through a variety of names. It just

877
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 8: recently was renamed the Neederlander Theater in Chicago. Okay, so

878
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 8: that's that's uh, yeah, it's uh, it's interesting. They put

879
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 8: a lot of lights and like lighted posters on that

880
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 8: alley to I think try to make it seem like wow,

881
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 8: like showbiz, like this is amazing. It's just so cool,

882
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 8: I think because it has such a terrible reputation.

883
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so has on your tour, have have any paranormal happened?

884
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 8: You know, not really? And that's the disappointing thing.

885
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: I think.

886
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 8: I think maybe because all of these areas, like we

887
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 8: go inside a few buildings, we would go inside some

888
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 8: of the hotel lobbies and those are still pretty public spaces,

889
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 8: so we were very rarely in like, you know, a

890
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 8: room by ourselves or anything like that. So I think

891
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 8: often there's just so many distractions. There's you know, so

892
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 8: much street noise, there's so much stuff going on that

893
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 8: nothing has ever really happened.

894
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: But those kinds of tours I think people need, they

895
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: probably want that, but I'm sure they leave being like,

896
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, this was just a fun experience and

897
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: you get a fun history lesson you know. I've been

898
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: on a number of those tours and nothing paranormal has

899
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: ever happened. But I just really enjoy it and it's

900
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: nice to get some steps in.

901
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 8: You go, oh, you get steps. It's a two mile

902
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 8: tour and I do it in six inch fields.

903
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: Well that was more. What I was talking about earlier

904
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: was like I don't want to be walking around in heels.

905
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: It is that's my problem.

906
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 8: It is like, yeah, I feel it. Like last last

907
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 8: year at the end of the month, I would feel

908
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 8: it and be like, oh, I shouldn't. I should give

909
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 8: myself a break here for a second.

910
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 1: But your caps are stunning. I'm sure what the history

911
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: of Chicago is. I mean, I can imagine I would

912
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: have so many paranormal uh you know aftermath when you

913
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: think of the Great Fire and there's the mob presence,

914
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: and I can only imagine, Oh, I want to go

915
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: on your tour hopefully one of these days, one.

916
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 8: Of these days when we can do do things in

917
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 8: person again. You're definitely invited, though, if you want to

918
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 8: join the zoom call and hear all the spooky stories,

919
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 8: I'll forge you the info. Okay for this for this fall,

920
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 8: but yeah, Chicago.

921
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: Can you tell people right now how they can find

922
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: all that?

923
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 8: Of course, yes, the events are on event right. The

924
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 8: tour is called Death Becomes Her and it is on

925
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 8: event right. It's also on Facebook and you can find

926
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 8: everything through there. I'm doing it right now. I'm doing

927
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 8: it four dates in October, so the last the last

928
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 8: two weekends on Friday and Saturday nights. I think it's

929
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 8: gonna be cute. I'm going to send out, you know,

930
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 8: some like little cocktail recipes, snack ideas, things to try

931
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 8: to make it a fun experience, even though we're all

932
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 8: isolated in our homes, to try to you know, kind

933
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 8: of gather around and tell some spooky stories. So I

934
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 8: think it'll be fun.

935
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: I hope that sounds great. Well, so what are your

936
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: experiences with ghoes?

937
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 8: You know, I'm one of those people and I've heard

938
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 8: a few other people and your podcasts say something similar

939
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 8: where I like, really want to have an amazing, crazy story,

940
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 8: and I just I do have a story. But it's

941
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 8: not like I don't have ghost experiences all the time.

942
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 8: But I did have an experience when I was younger.

943
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 8: I think I was like twelve, and we were going

944
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 8: to clean out my great uncle's factory that he owned

945
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 8: in the country. So imagine like rural Illinois, cornfields for miles,

946
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 8: and then there's this this building in the middle of

947
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 8: all of it. He was like an inventor and he

948
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 8: had a factory. I don't totally know everything that he did,

949
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 8: but he had a factory. And he died and we

950
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 8: went out there to kind of clean everything out, and

951
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 8: you know, I was I was like the kid who

952
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 8: came along with all the adults. And it was like

953
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 8: postcard from the sixties, like wood paneled walls, typewriters. This

954
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 8: was like early two thousand and five, maybe still had

955
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 8: like typewriters everywhere. He had to walk in safe. It's

956
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 8: like very, very bizarre. So the mood was already kind

957
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 8: of weird, and so I started wandering around and I

958
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 8: started hearing kind of like I thought it was like

959
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 8: on a loud speaker, just like people's voices, like multiple voices,

960
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 8: kind of grumbly garbled, like up in the air like

961
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 8: it was.

962
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 7: It was.

963
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 8: I felt like it was like on a factory loud speaker.

964
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 8: And I was like, okay, like whatever, and I just

965
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 8: like would go about my business. I was like looking

966
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 8: around whatever, and I would always assume, Okay, I'm going

967
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 8: to go back into the office part and people are

968
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 8: probably talking, like there's like a loudspeaker or something that

969
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 8: people are messing with, or I'm hearing them somehow through

970
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 8: the system or whatever. And I really distinctly remember walking

971
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 8: back in. So it's kind of like if you imagine

972
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 8: like a car repair place where there's like an open

973
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 8: kind of garage area and then there's like you know,

974
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 8: a glass window and offices, and so I walked through

975
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 8: there and there's like shelving and people are looking through

976
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 8: like everything that was on the shelves and sorting things.

977
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 8: And I was like, okay, yeah, like they're having some

978
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 8: kind of conversation, so I'm going to go back and

979
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 8: see what they're saying. And I remember it being like

980
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 8: kind of loud, like full conversation going on. I couldn't

981
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 8: really understand the words. And then going back into this

982
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 8: office and it just being dead silent, and it was

983
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 8: so weird because I looked around and I was like, well,

984
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 8: everyone must know that something must have just happened where

985
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 8: everyone just is silent, like someone said something that like

986
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 8: made everyone stop or and everyone was just going about

987
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 8: their business sorting things like it was like not a

988
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 8: big deal. Nothing weird was happening, and I was like, Okay,

989
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 8: this is weird. And then I went back out and

990
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 8: I started hearing like it kind of morphed into the

991
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 8: sound of dogs barking, and I was like, oh, there

992
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 8: must be like dogs outside or something. I don't remember

993
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 8: if it was that day or later. When we got home,

994
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 8: I told my mom, yeah, I heard, like I always

995
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 8: hearing like weird stuff. I thought I heard dogs barking,

996
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 8: and she was like, well, he had two dogs that

997
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 8: he kept out there, that lived out there, and when

998
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 8: they died, he buried them outside the factory. And so

999
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, okay, And that's as far as

1000
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 8: I took it. But I do believe something was going

1001
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 8: on that day. Don't totally know what, but.

1002
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting ghost dogs I loves.

1003
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the only experience, so I don't know. My

1004
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 8: mom has had a lot of experiences of like after

1005
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 8: after a very close loved one dies, of like seeing

1006
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 8: them in the house and she's she's still she won't

1007
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 8: admit like whether she really thinks she sees a ghost

1008
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 8: or she thinks she just is imagining them, but she's

1009
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 8: had it. It's happened multiple times for her, so that's interesting.

1010
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,479
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being on and I hope

1011
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: that people listening will go check out your tour and

1012
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: your ghost stories.

1013
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, me too.

1014
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 8: I guess maybe the most direct way to get in

1015
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 8: touch that I didn't think about was my Instagram, which

1016
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 8: is just a Wanda underscore screw. I'm I'm very yeah,

1017
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 8: very matter of fact. But yeah, I pot about it

1018
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 8: incessantly on there, so that might be the best way

1019
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 8: to go about it. And yeah, hopefully I'll meet some

1020
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 8: new people through your podcast.

1021
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah for everybody that Wanda hear a ghost story. Okay,

1022
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: hello Brad from Los Angeles?

1023
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 7: How are you good?

1024
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: Are you so good? I wanted to hear the story

1025
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: that you sent me about the Greystone Mansion.

1026
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, for sure. So I actually went to see

1027
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 7: a friend in a play there, which I found it

1028
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 7: is like the longest running play in Los Angeles, been

1029
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 7: there for eighteen years and.

1030
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: They still do it. Yeah, I mean probably not right now,

1031
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: but well no.

1032
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's called The Manor, and you go in

1033
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 7: and the family is called the the Mcallisters, and you know,

1034
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 7: so it's based loosely on the Doheiny family and they

1035
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 7: come out looking like they're just an I says people,

1036
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 7: and everything was really wonderful, and you know, it's the

1037
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 7: character from There Will Be Blood. So you know, the

1038
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 7: son and his valet died the night before they were

1039
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 7: supposed to testify in the Teapot Dome scandal. The bodies

1040
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 7: were found covered in blood. Like there's a lot of

1041
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 7: really dicey stuff around it, and oh, yeah.

1042
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: We should probably get into the backstory.

1043
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, just really quickly. And so I went to see

1044
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 7: the show and I was asking the woman. A friend

1045
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 7: of mine was in it, and I said, well, why

1046
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 7: do you why does the family come up looking like

1047
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 7: that when there are all these other things And she said, well,

1048
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 7: even though it's a national park, the family that owned

1049
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 7: that made the house still has script approval. And I

1050
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 7: thought that was kind of an interesting idea. So I

1051
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 7: was talking to my friend who was in it, and

1052
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 7: she said while she performed, she felt like the presence

1053
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 7: of a little girl around her, or like a child,

1054
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 7: and there were these She started telling me stories like

1055
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 7: people would see this girl in a polka dot dress,

1056
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 7: or one of the forest rangers had locked up the

1057
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 7: house and there's there's like a bridge or the window

1058
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 7: on the second floor. And he thought somebody who's like,

1059
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 7: oh yeah, I checked, but saw like a person and

1060
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 7: then went inside and it was like a headless torso

1061
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 7: and he just ran out screaming. So she was telling

1062
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 7: me all these stories, you know, and the people themselves,

1063
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 7: they werehearsing the quote unquote murder room, which is where

1064
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 7: the valet live, where the murder took place.

1065
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: And then you said, a headless torso I had to

1066
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: like comprehend that. So it's basically just a first of all,

1067
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: it's like sounds like grinder, but it's just a no

1068
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: legs and no head floating in the air.

1069
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. Oh my god.

1070
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1071
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 7: So she started telling me these stories and I was like, well,

1072
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 7: that's bizarre, and so I kind of had the idea

1073
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 7: of like a screenplay thing. So I started researching for

1074
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 7: like writing a screenplay about a group of actors stuck

1075
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 7: in the house and you know, who gets to tell

1076
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 7: the truth and that kind of thing, which felt very

1077
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 7: like of our moment, since this wealthy family gets to,

1078
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 7: you know, tell tell the story, even though the real

1079
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 7: story is a lot darker, and you know, and there

1080
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 7: are all these rumors about these murders and suicides, so

1081
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,479
Speaker 7: weirdly A friend of mine was friends with a forest

1082
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 7: ranger who no longer works there, So I think I

1083
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 7: can tell these stories because he's like, don't tell anyone,

1084
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 7: I want to get fired. But he doesn't work there anymore.

1085
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,959
Speaker 7: So I made an arrangement to have a little tour

1086
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 7: with him around the house, and he told me there

1087
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 7: were actually six debts in the house that there a

1088
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 7: little girl had fallen out a window playing with her playmate.

1089
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 7: That's the little possibly the girl in the Polkada dress.

1090
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 7: Two of the there were two women who killed themselves.

1091
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 7: There's a whole thing about that, possibly with like being

1092
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 7: sexually assaulted by the man that the woman who possibly

1093
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 7: killed her husband and the valet remarried. Like there's a

1094
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 7: whole thing. And then another guy was possibly thrown in

1095
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 7: the boiler who worked there because they used to keep

1096
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 7: the men locked in the boiler room to keep away

1097
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 7: from the female servants. When it was, you know, a

1098
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 7: working house in the twenties and thirties, super charming the

1099
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 7: whole time. It was like, you know, we walked around

1100
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 7: the whole house and he was telling me these stories,

1101
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 7: and I was like, yix and yeah, And so he

1102
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 7: started telling me that like, you know, one of the

1103
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 7: forest rangers like was pushed down the stairs and she

1104
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 7: was just standing at the stairs. There was no one

1105
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 7: behind her. And another one was on a photo shoot

1106
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 7: and something crazy happened and he ended up like leaving

1107
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 7: the client alone. Soe he was so freaked out. And

1108
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 7: and what were some of the other ones? Oh that

1109
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 7: you know, somebody had like turned off all the lights

1110
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 7: and then one of the then he heard his voice

1111
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 7: that said you missed one, and turned around and one

1112
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 7: of the lights was back on. He himself like pushed

1113
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 7: a cabinet closed and felt like it being pushed back

1114
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 7: at him. So there were those kinds of things. They

1115
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 7: said they had a paranormal investigator in there, and there's

1116
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 7: like a supposedly a demon living in there, and they

1117
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 7: said it was like a portal to another world. And

1118
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 7: they found some substance on the floor that nobody could identify.

1119
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 7: I mean, he was telling me all this, you know,

1120
01:05:58,880 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 7: sure or not?

1121
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: So anyway, Well, that place, see, don't I don't know

1122
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: a ton about it. I had never I've never been

1123
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: to it. But it's basically it's this grand mansion in

1124
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills that so it's it's what were you saying?

1125
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: It's a national it's a national park now, you know.

1126
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

1127
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 7: Originally I think it was on like four hundred acres

1128
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 7: of land. They had like a game reserve. You go

1129
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 7: on the second floor, they actually have a sink that

1130
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 7: has like where they would like they could shoot game

1131
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 7: and they just bring them up and prepare them and

1132
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 7: you know the sink where they can the blood light

1133
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 7: goes into the sink from where they you know, slaughter

1134
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 7: the animals, that kind of thing. Dumb waiters, the whole deal.

1135
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 7: It's like fifty rooms. It's big, and there's like, oh

1136
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 7: my god, and there's a bowling alley which you saw

1137
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 7: and there will be blood. They renovated the bowling alley

1138
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 7: and there. It was also built during prohibition, so there

1139
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 7: are all these like the walls are really thick, or

1140
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 7: like there's a hidden bar downstairs where you like hit

1141
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 7: a wall and it like turns into a bar. That

1142
01:06:59,080 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 7: kind of stuff.

1143
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: Well, it's been in like a bajillion movies. That's what

1144
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: I That's what I had known it from. Well, I

1145
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: love Death Becomes Her and I remember when I'm like

1146
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: watching it and being like what is this place? And

1147
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: then I saw that that's that they had shot there.

1148
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: But here, I'll give you a list for anyone listening.

1149
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: I went to a website called seeing dash Stars dot

1150
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: com and here's some of the movies. What Women Want

1151
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: I was starring Mel Gibson, The Bodyguards starring Queen Whitney Houston,

1152
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: The Phantom with Billy zon Oh, Witches of east Wick,

1153
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: Big Lebowski, All of Me with Steve Martin and Lily Tomlin.

1154
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: Ghotsbusters too, that sounds fitting. There's Jumping Jack Flash with

1155
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: Woopy Goldberg, The Beautician and The Beast with Fran Dresser.

1156
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: There's there's like the list goes on and on and on.

1157
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's crazy. And in fact, right after I visited,

1158
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 7: I for some reason was watching All of Me and

1159
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 7: I was like, that's that. Wait, I was just there. Yes,

1160
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 7: So it's crazy. It's a beautiful house. It's enormous, you know,

1161
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 7: I mean the tile is incredible. I mean it really

1162
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 7: is amazing. But I the whole time I was there,

1163
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 7: and this is why I would tell me this story,

1164
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 7: Like I had a headache, which was bizarre, and I

1165
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 7: was starting to feel tired, and you know, I was

1166
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 7: taking a lot of pictures and hearing all these stories,

1167
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 7: and then I went home and and that's why I

1168
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 7: thought you'd enjoyed listening to your podcast or none enjoyed,

1169
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 7: but be interested. I was getting really depressed. I had

1170
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 7: headaches all the time, I problems sleeping. I had this

1171
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 7: one moment where I, you know, I parked my cars

1172
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 7: with la apartment. You know, my parking space is behind

1173
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 7: my apartment building. And I had the thought like, wow,

1174
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 7: I've never It's funny, in thirteen years, I've never scraped

1175
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 7: the side of my car against my building. And literally,

1176
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 7: the next time I got in my car, I just

1177
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 7: like scraped the entire side of my car against my building.

1178
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 7: And so I was talking to a friend who a

1179
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 7: late friend you know, was a psychic actually for many,

1180
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 7: many many years and worked with a lot of people.

1181
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 7: And he was asking what had happened and how I

1182
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 7: was feeling, and he said, come over here right now,

1183
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 7: and he did something where like put our hands on

1184
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 7: the table and he goes, oh, yeah, something's attached itself

1185
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 7: to you. Because I also couldn't find jobs. I was

1186
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 7: running out of money, all this stuff, and he said something,

1187
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 7: He's like, I destroyed it, and I definitely felt like

1188
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 7: it's weird. I felt this like flush kind of thing,

1189
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 7: and an hour later I got offered a job. I

1190
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 7: got offered like three jobs in the next week, Like

1191
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 7: everything turned around. The headache went away, and I was like,

1192
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 7: I didn't need to know that was even plausible.

1193
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you think it was one of

1194
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: the demons from the alleged portal?

1195
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 7: I have no idea. What he told me was did demons?

1196
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 7: He's like, oh, demon's on't a problem. Demons have a

1197
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 7: place they live and they're just upset if you try

1198
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 7: to fuck with their house basically. But he was like,

1199
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 7: you know, they're not going to follow you. He was

1200
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 7: like just some kind of entity.

1201
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: And I got, well, are they paying rent? I know,

1202
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: because if not, you're out of here.

1203
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 7: Oh yeah. But it was one of those things where

1204
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 7: I was like, you know, I don't know true or

1205
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 7: not a suggestion, but I know I was on the

1206
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 7: grounds again. And then I was like, I got I

1207
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 7: get a headache anytime me think about it, so I'm like,

1208
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 7: you know what, I'll I'll steer clear. But yeah, it

1209
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 7: was kind of wild. I mean, AFI was there for

1210
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 7: many years. I mean like they said they've shot all

1211
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 7: kinds of movies, but it's just like the stories are

1212
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 7: that this forest ranger was just telling me story after

1213
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 7: story after story, and I was like, yikes.

1214
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: So but it's open to the public, right, like people

1215
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 1: can just go at any time.

1216
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 7: I think you can schedule a tour, but the gardens

1217
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 7: are open. And then like I've had friends have gotten

1218
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 7: married there, you know, they do marriages, and I was like,

1219
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 7: good for you.

1220
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: Oh I want to go. Well, you're telling me also

1221
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: that you've done shows at Casita del Campo where I

1222
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: do my live shows and stuff. Have you ever had

1223
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: any experiences there?

1224
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 7: I haven't. And when I heard the thing, you know

1225
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 7: about the ghost there, I was like, oh, because I've

1226
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 7: stood in that little corner, you know, waiting to go on,

1227
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 7: and I've never had never had any experiences there, but

1228
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 7: I had so weird me neither I had heard about it,

1229
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 7: you know, and you're always like, you know there was

1230
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 7: like oh there was a fire, you know, I mean

1231
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,839
Speaker 7: you hear the stories, but no, it's such a great vibe.

1232
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 7: If there is something there, it's obviously not like trying

1233
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 7: to ruin everybody's day, you know what I mean.

1234
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: Totally, Yeah, it's whatever is going on. If there is,

1235
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean enough people have said that there is that

1236
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 1: I believe it. But it's it's definitely just fun happiness.

1237
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's also just so much energy

1238
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 1: down there of people just cackling on full stomachs of

1239
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: delicious food and people are just like there's just so

1240
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: much happiness there.

1241
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 7: Yeah. I've never gotten that kind of vibe that it's like,

1242
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 7: because there have been times. I mean I think I

1243
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 7: mentioned I like went to a place over here near

1244
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 7: here and saw this chair that this guy had.

1245
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, can we talk about it?

1246
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: Oh?

1247
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:11,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I know that place. It's called the Philosophical Research.

1248
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, University of Philosophical Research.

1249
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: Yes, okay. I've always been like, what is that place?

1250
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: And I've been to the bookstore, but I don't really

1251
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: know what do you know what it is?

1252
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 7: You know, I'm Maryon Williamson studied there, I think, oh okay, yeah,

1253
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 7: and it was It's like but I think he built

1254
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,560
Speaker 7: it in the you know, there are all those the Theosophis,

1255
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 7: like the Basant Lodge, that kind of history of la

1256
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,879
Speaker 7: of like you know, lots of alternative thought and spiritual people,

1257
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 7: you know, and this guy guess was kind of heavily

1258
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 7: into the occult, but i'd never been either, and I

1259
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 7: don't live far driven past it so many times, so

1260
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 7: you know, I mean, I think a few years ago,

1261
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 7: I drove by and thought, you know what, I'm just

1262
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 7: going to stop in. And I walked up into the

1263
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 7: right there's this like and there's like a looks like

1264
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 7: a carved wooden chair from like let's say, like China

1265
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 7: in the eighteen sixties or something. And I looked at

1266
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 7: the chair and I thought, I'm going to throw up,

1267
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 7: like I'm really gonna get sick, which is not like

1268
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 7: at all. And then went to the bookstore and was

1269
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 7: like someone's going to stab me in the back or

1270
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 7: I'm going to be abducted, which was really weird. So

1271
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 7: I went to the bookstore the guy running the bookstore,

1272
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 7: and I said, what is that chair and he said, oh,

1273
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 7: that's where the founder would lecture from. That was his chair.

1274
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 7: And I was like, oh, well, I guess this place

1275
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 7: is not for me then, so I just kind of

1276
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 7: backed away slowly, and as soon as I left, I

1277
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 7: was fine. But it was just the weirdest I've never

1278
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 7: had that experience anywhere else. But I was like, I

1279
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 7: don't know what's going on here, but there was definitely

1280
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 7: some you know, I don't think I'm not clairvoyant, but

1281
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 7: I definitely, you know, there are moments. I don't know,

1282
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 7: if you have that thing where you go in somewhere

1283
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 7: and you're like, this is not right, And yeah, I

1284
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 7: had that experience other people. I think it's great for

1285
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 7: but sometimes I think that's just a guy and saying

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Speaker 7: maybe you particularly shouldn't here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not for you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Special thank you to Kit, Joey, Alex and Brad for

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Speaker 1: being on this month's Listener episode. You can be on

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Speaker 1: next month's Listener episode by emailing me at ghosted by

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Speaker 1: Roz at gmail dot com. Type up a little bit

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Speaker 1: of your stories and put in the subject line listener

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Speaker 1: episode and we're just my work something out. Please join

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Speaker 1: Patreon helps me out and I've been enjoying all the

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Speaker 1: content and people have been loving it from what I hear.

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Speaker 1: You Just go to Patreon dot com slash Rozdressfalest. There's

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Speaker 1: also a link in the description of this episode. I'm

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at Rozdresfales. Join our Facebook group Ghosted by Rozdresfales.

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Speaker 1: I'm on venmo at Queen Roz and cameo rozdres Fales.

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

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Speaker 3: Gaybye, Starbans.

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