Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marco which show
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: My guest today is Ed Morrissey.
Speaker 1: He is the managing editor of Hot Air and the
Speaker 1: author of Going Red.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 2: Ed's so nice to have.
Speaker 1: You on, Carol.
Speaker 4: It's great to talk to you again.
Speaker 1: We've known each other a million years, like really a
Speaker 1: million in internet in the internet world, way before there
Speaker 1: was a Twitter or an ex We got to know
Speaker 1: each other in.
Speaker 2: The blog world.
Speaker 1: And there's been one or two changes since then, would
Speaker 1: you say that, couple?
Speaker 4: There have been a few changes over the years. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 4: You know it's been. It's been one heck of a ride. Actually,
Speaker 4: you know it's I wouldn't have traded it for anything else.
Speaker 4: This is it's been a great experience.
Speaker 1: You've always been very positive and I always enjoyed that
Speaker 1: about you.
Speaker 2: You've been in Hot Air how long now.
Speaker 4: Well, I've been at hot Air now it would be
Speaker 4: seventeen years, and say.
Speaker 1: Seventeen years and internet land is like one hundred years.
Speaker 4: I'm ancient, Carol. I have reached the old man shaking
Speaker 4: fist at cloud stage of my life and I am
Speaker 4: fully willing to come on here and say get off
Speaker 4: my damn lawn and turn down your radios.
Speaker 2: And but you don't say that very often.
Speaker 1: I feel like, again, I think I see you as
Speaker 1: very like positive, optimistic.
Speaker 2: Just you know, a friend to all. Would would that
Speaker 2: be accurate?
Speaker 4: I certainly hope. So that would be a lovely way
Speaker 4: to actually have come across in life, so that it's encouraging.
Speaker 4: So yes, I mean that's my aim. I don't know
Speaker 4: how well I pulled that off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how did you get your start in writing
Speaker 1: or in media?
Speaker 4: Well, I've always wanted to do writing, and it's just
Speaker 4: a question of what kind of writing that you want
Speaker 4: to do, right, And so I thought I'd be a
Speaker 4: short story guy, and that didn't work out. Number of
Speaker 4: a number of rejections from all of the leading magazines
Speaker 4: from that era, Yeah, told me that that wasn't going
Speaker 4: to be my path. And then I was trying to
Speaker 4: novels and I wrote three of them, and you know,
Speaker 4: Garth Brooks has this song it says thank God for
Speaker 4: unanswered prayers. Yeah, I am so happy that none of
Speaker 4: those three are actually out where anybody because they weren't good,
Speaker 4: you know. And then I took up blogging, honestly, Initially
Speaker 4: the thought was I need to be more disciplined about
Speaker 4: writing every day. You know, I was a call center
Speaker 4: manager at the time. I was actually not unhappy with
Speaker 4: that career. But I don't want to write, and I
Speaker 4: thought at some point I want to publish a book,
Speaker 4: and I thought, well, the way to do that is to,
Speaker 4: you know, get in the habit of writing every day.
Speaker 4: And then blogging came along. I started doing.
Speaker 2: That and here did you start?
Speaker 4: Late two thousand and three and.
Speaker 2: What was your Your blog was called Captain.
Speaker 4: Captain's Quarters, Captain's Right Up, and it was it was.
Speaker 4: It was an ongoing thing from two thousand and three
Speaker 4: to two thousand and eight. When I came aboard hot Air,
Speaker 4: you know, they required me to shut down the old
Speaker 4: blog and redirect the traffic to hot air. But it's
Speaker 4: still out there. I think right now there's some difficulty
Speaker 4: in accessing the archives, but I do pay to have
Speaker 4: the archives maintains interesting.
Speaker 1: Wow, so I don't have my blog was called Alarming News.
Speaker 1: I don't have it anymore.
Speaker 2: I let my domain name lap.
Speaker 1: Somebody snapped up that domain name and I don't have
Speaker 1: archives of any of it. And I feel mixed about that,
Speaker 1: because like I would like to go back sometimes and
Speaker 1: look at what I maybe wrote in the past. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, I find a lot of the just
Speaker 1: the way I used to speak very embarrassing. Or when
Speaker 1: I see like old Facebook, you know, status messages from
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2: God, that was awful. I talk like that.
Speaker 4: I don't understand why you feel that way, because I
Speaker 4: loved Alarming News, and I thought you did a great
Speaker 4: job there.
Speaker 1: But but you know that when you when you read
Speaker 1: the past, you the way like just the way I
Speaker 1: would turn a phrase or yes, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know very yah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I go through the same thing looking at my
Speaker 4: old stuf too, But but I mean, Alarming News was great.
Speaker 4: I loved the Alarming News and it was great domain name,
Speaker 4: which is the reason why I got snapped up. I
Speaker 4: don't think anybody's going to snap up Captain's quartersblog dot com.
Speaker 2: But you know, you never know.
Speaker 4: I use it for some email purposes, to personal email purposes,
Speaker 4: so I just keep the I keep the site running,
Speaker 4: and I think I need to alert them that it's
Speaker 4: not coming up. You know, it was like a few
Speaker 4: months ago I realized that there was some issues with it.
Speaker 4: It's a high priority for me that I still haven't
Speaker 4: filed AATA, of course, but eventually I will because I
Speaker 4: do like to go back and look at it from
Speaker 4: time to time.
Speaker 1: So what do you see as like the major change
Speaker 1: from those days.
Speaker 4: Well, I think, you know, it's more professional, right. I
Speaker 4: think substack has a little bit of what the blog Yes, right,
Speaker 4: substack is kind of what the old blog is beer
Speaker 4: was like. But I got professional and the reason was
Speaker 4: because we all got better at what we do. You
Speaker 4: got professional. I got professional, and it's because we we learned.
Speaker 4: And you know, those of us who survived that era
Speaker 4: exactly so, because you know, we we were able to
Speaker 4: improve ourselves over time and remain dedicated to it. A
Speaker 4: lot of people just had lives, right they were, but
Speaker 4: they just had lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah they had data, Yeah, no lives. That was life.
Speaker 2: But I remember that.
Speaker 1: Era of when bloggers started going professional and they just
Speaker 1: they like the major you know what we call the
Speaker 1: mainstream news outlets started MSM started hiring bloggers and that
Speaker 1: was the end of it, really, and it was for me.
Speaker 1: It was actually w n y C Public Radio in
Speaker 1: New York. They needed like a token conservative and they
Speaker 1: hired me and the Post hired me from there, and
Speaker 1: it was, you know, kind of the end of that
Speaker 1: for me. But yeah, it was the people that were
Speaker 1: really good got snapped up. I'm not saying I was
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's that's.
Speaker 4: Kind of how it was really good because you were
Speaker 4: really good.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: But Hot Air has been so instrumental for so long
Speaker 1: and so in the mix of the conversation.
Speaker 2: Is that hard to maintain? Just just the sheer length
Speaker 2: of time that you guys have been around is impressive.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you. First off, I appreciate that. It's it's
Speaker 4: you know, it takes an effort, right, and from time
Speaker 4: to time we fall back a little bit. From time
Speaker 4: to time we catch up a little bit. And I
Speaker 4: think that you know, we were brought up by again,
Speaker 4: we were brought up by Salem fifteen years ago, just
Speaker 4: a little over fifteen years ago, and which is great.
Speaker 4: I love Salem. I was working with Salem prior to
Speaker 4: that and local radio, and then now I work for
Speaker 4: Salem and I'm very happy about that. And they've challenged
Speaker 4: us from time to time and they said, you know,
Speaker 4: one of the things that made hot air. So I'm
Speaker 4: trying to think of the word that they use. But
Speaker 4: basically what us was the fact that we were able
Speaker 4: to react fast to it, right.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm going to say timely, But that wasn't quite
Speaker 1: the I knew what you were looking for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that we could jump on emerging stories with you know,
Speaker 4: some basis of already acquired knowledge and comments on it
Speaker 4: intelligently immediately.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we forget that and we get a little bit
Speaker 4: too lost in our think pieces.
Speaker 2: Sure, right, there.
Speaker 1: Is something about that immediacy that we've we've lost. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess we have it on X now, but then
Speaker 1: it's not quite the same as as the blog post
Speaker 1: of the of that era and what.
Speaker 2: Hot air does.
Speaker 1: It's like I'll see something that I want to write about,
Speaker 1: I'll write it, and then four days later it comes
Speaker 1: out you know in some some outlets.
Speaker 2: That's that's a lag.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not the immediacy of getting it up
Speaker 1: on your site and having people react right away exactly.
Speaker 4: And sometimes we have to sometimes internally we have to
Speaker 4: remind ourselves of that is that the thing pieces are great,
Speaker 4: but stuff that could run today tomorrow or that are
Speaker 4: you know later in the week generally aren't what is
Speaker 4: driving eyeballs to the site right now. And so I
Speaker 4: mean you have to have a mix because I think
Speaker 4: that those thing pieces are incredibly important, so that we
Speaker 4: can to a certain extent philosophies about what our approach
Speaker 4: is going to be when breaking news stories actually come up.
Speaker 4: We've kind of firmed up in our minds that, you know,
Speaker 4: how we're going to approach things. Yeah, but you still
Speaker 4: have to be on top of the news cycle. And
Speaker 4: that's that's the trick. You know, it's hard to stay
Speaker 4: on top of a new cycle, especially lately.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, that's like a mile a minute.
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Speaker 4: What do you consider your be You know, for me,
Speaker 4: I consider myself a generalist, right. I try to write
Speaker 4: about lots of different things because lots of different things
Speaker 4: interest me. But I think, you know, hot era. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think the beat is really the breaking news cycle, right,
Speaker 4: and that's again we have to kind of attune ourselves
Speaker 4: to that. But I like to write about the economy.
Speaker 4: I like to write about you know, policy, Policy is
Speaker 4: really what matters most to me. I'm not big on
Speaker 4: the personality driven type of stuff in politics. I'm more
Speaker 4: driven by policy and philosophy, you know, ideology, whatever you
Speaker 4: want to call it. And then you know, I do
Speaker 4: other things to amuse myself. I used to write quite
Speaker 4: a few more film reviews than I have lately, just
Speaker 4: because I just haven't had time to go out to
Speaker 4: the movie theaters.
Speaker 2: Not because films are bad.
Speaker 4: Now, well, it's kind of fun to write reviews for
Speaker 4: bad films, I have to admit, but.
Speaker 2: Not the watching of the bad film I watched that.
Speaker 1: My movie watching has like plummeted to zero, just because
Speaker 1: every movie I watch is so bad.
Speaker 2: And then I and.
Speaker 1: It's always like the critically acclaimed movies that I watch,
Speaker 1: and they're just terrible, and I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 4: Don't even get me started on the Shape of Water.
Speaker 4: It was so bad when I when I got back
Speaker 4: to my house and wrote the review, which I did
Speaker 4: the night I watched.
Speaker 2: That, like giggling as you wrote it.
Speaker 4: I was more grinding my teeth as I wrote it.
Speaker 4: And I wrote in there, this is so bad. I
Speaker 4: predict it's going to win a lot of awards this
Speaker 4: coming season. Of course, one's Best Oscar, Best Picture Oscar,
Speaker 4: and I actually pulled that forward after it won just
Speaker 4: to say I told you so. But it's kind of
Speaker 4: fun too. It's kind of fun to be that critical
Speaker 4: to feel the release of being that critical. Sometimes when
Speaker 4: you really love a movie, you're kind of defending it
Speaker 4: to a certain extent. Yeah, So, I mean that's a trap.
Speaker 4: I mean you have to recognize that if you're going
Speaker 4: to write criticism, you have to recognize that that's a trap.
Speaker 4: You have to be fair, right, right. You can't just.
Speaker 2: You know, I love this movie, the act on stuff
Speaker 2: that you.
Speaker 4: Don't like and this, oh you know, just skip the
Speaker 4: fact that this film I really love doesn't have an
Speaker 4: act two and half of it. Act three is missing
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: I overlooked it. Why can't your actly? Yeah, what do
Speaker 2: you worry about?
Speaker 4: You don't worry about being wrong, you know. To me,
Speaker 4: it's I mean, everybody's wrong. Everybody makes mistakes. I'm not
Speaker 4: so much worried about making a factual mistake, although that's
Speaker 4: always embarrassing when you have to go correction. I'll tell
Speaker 4: you what I did just recently was kind of fun.
Speaker 4: I had written something about what Tara Palmery wrote. She
Speaker 4: had interviewed Michael Rosa, who was a Biden aide, and
Speaker 4: he was He admitted in a public forum while she
Speaker 4: was interviewing that that they were kind of gaslighting people
Speaker 4: about Biden, right, And she had written this thing at
Speaker 4: Puck saying, wow, this is kind of a big deal, right,
Speaker 4: and I wrote this thing. I said, well, she didn't
Speaker 4: really get the context, right, that wasn't just about twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four where their gaslighting thing, and go all the
Speaker 4: way back to twenty nineteen and this and that and
Speaker 4: the other thing. She ends up dming me on Twitter
Speaker 4: and asked just so that she she asked if I
Speaker 4: could include her YouTube thing that went with it. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, yeah, sure, and we ended up. She
Speaker 4: ended up. I ended up interviewing R and QQ a
Speaker 4: few days later and it was great. But I realized
Speaker 4: while I was adding the YouTube that I had misspelled
Speaker 4: her name throughout the entire post as Paul Meery. Right.
Speaker 4: So I said, by the way, I apologize, I've misspelled
Speaker 4: your name all the way through this, And she said,
Speaker 4: did you, Jennifer pauiery me. This is all you know,
Speaker 4: I particularly this is sort of off the record, but
Speaker 4: we discussed it on air, so I'm assuming she's fine
Speaker 4: with this. It was all in good humor, and I
Speaker 4: said yes, and you know, I tweeted it yes, and
Speaker 4: then Hank's head in shame, you know, in parenthesis.
Speaker 2: Right, So you're such a good guy, like I just
Speaker 2: you're too.
Speaker 4: Good for all of this, honestly, you know, it's it's
Speaker 4: those kind of human moments that sort of make it fun,
Speaker 4: you know, And then you have the people who are
Speaker 4: pills who you just decide that I'm just not going
Speaker 4: to I'm just not going to engage people that are
Speaker 4: miserable and and I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 4: to talk about those examples because it's you know, that
Speaker 4: person should be those people should be on this podcast
Speaker 4: if we're going to have that conversation. So I'll just
Speaker 4: see that it happens, it happens, and you just move on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So have you been wrong a lot in your career?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about a lot. I hope not
Speaker 4: a lot, right, I mean I've been wrong. I mean
Speaker 4: I've gotten some things wrong. We're've had to go back.
Speaker 4: I guess the big the biggest example was the you
Speaker 4: know polling analysis in twenty twelve, which enraged when when
Speaker 4: when Obama ended up winning that year, our readership was
Speaker 4: furious with us and a lot of them left them
Speaker 4: didn't come back. Yeah. Well, and I I said, we
Speaker 4: blew it. You know, we were doing that whole unskewed
Speaker 4: the polls thing. Sure, and it turned out that the
Speaker 4: polls really didn't need to be unskewed, but sometimes they do.
Speaker 1: You're sort of like, it's a it's a tough spot
Speaker 1: to find yourself.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the poles really are skewed well.
Speaker 4: And they have been right, they were before, they've been since.
Speaker 4: But I've learned not to assert data that I don't
Speaker 4: actually have. And you know, we were re manipulating the data,
Speaker 4: assuming that had been manipulated in the first place, and
Speaker 4: we were just flat out wrong, right, So I wrote
Speaker 4: at least two, you know, apologies to readers for that,
Speaker 4: and I end up writing a book about that sort
Speaker 4: of tangentially right, and you know, that was an enjoyable
Speaker 4: experience too. But yeah, that would be one of the
Speaker 4: bigger things that I've gotten wrong. And I mean, I
Speaker 4: spent months getting that wrong, so you know, I should
Speaker 4: own it since I spent months getting it wrong. I
Speaker 4: put a lot of hard work into getting that wrong.
Speaker 1: Very fair though, I mean, again, I think that so
Speaker 1: long ago, and I you know, there's been again opportunities
Speaker 1: for the polls to be and skewed since then. But
Speaker 1: it's very noble of you to take that blame responsibility,
Speaker 1: however you want to say it.
Speaker 4: You know how noble it is when it's really patently
Speaker 4: obvious to everybody and you're just owning up.
Speaker 2: You can let people forget it. Nobody will ever, you know, Well, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, yeah, I mean, but I mean you asked,
Speaker 4: And so that's a pretty good example of it. I've
Speaker 4: gotten factually thinking things factually incorrect that on a couple
Speaker 4: of occasions, I negated the entire point of a post
Speaker 4: that I wrote from which point you just put, you know, update,
Speaker 4: I got this wrong. Everything below here is no sense
Speaker 4: you know you got that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And so the beauty of blogging versus publishing
Speaker 1: in a newspaper right there.
Speaker 4: Though, right right, you know. And honestly, I've gotten columns
Speaker 4: early on. I think I got one really wrong for
Speaker 4: The New York Sun, and I I actually just quit
Speaker 4: writing the column. I was so embarrassed by it. And
Speaker 4: this is early in my blogging career. Yeah, they didn't
Speaker 4: ask me to stop. They were kind of unhappy with
Speaker 4: the fact that I'd gotten something pretty significantly wrong. It
Speaker 4: colored the conclusion of the whole point of my column,
Speaker 4: and I wrote back, and I, you know, it was
Speaker 4: abjectly apology, you know, abjectly apologizing for it. And they
Speaker 4: were nice about it. This is not The New York
Speaker 4: Sun's issue. But I was so embarrassed by that it
Speaker 4: just I just decided I didn't want to write a
Speaker 4: column for a while, and later on I picked up
Speaker 4: I picked up columns.
Speaker 2: Down the road, so too good.
Speaker 1: What advice would you give your fifteen year old self
Speaker 1: for sixteen year old self.
Speaker 4: Oh, my goodness, you know, I have a joke answer
Speaker 4: for that, which is to stay, which is to say,
Speaker 4: either be a left handed relief pitcher or a police
Speaker 4: kicker for football, because you can. You can. You can
Speaker 4: spend twenty years doing that in your uniform will never
Speaker 4: get dirty.
Speaker 2: But I feel like you like getting your uniform dirty.
Speaker 4: I know I do kind of even back in those days.
Speaker 4: I kind of like getting the uniform dirty, you know,
Speaker 4: you know. And then the obvious answer is finished college,
Speaker 4: which I didn't do.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: I don't think I would have listened to that, though,
Speaker 4: because that was the same advice that my dad was
Speaker 4: giving me constantly during that same period. I was and
Speaker 4: I've written about that a couple times. I think at
Speaker 4: hot air, and I think that if I was, you know,
Speaker 4: to seriously address this question, what I would say is one,
Speaker 4: connect to your faith, because God is going to be
Speaker 4: very important to you, and the sooner you connect to that,
Speaker 4: the better off you're going to be. And the second
Speaker 4: thing would be I would say, don't And this is
Speaker 4: something I've told people. There's two things to remember in life.
Speaker 4: It's never as bad as it seems, and it's never
Speaker 4: as good as it seems. And you know, when you're
Speaker 4: sixteen years old, you're going to spend the next ten
Speaker 4: years going through really difficult highs and lows. And you
Speaker 4: look back and you go, why was I you know,
Speaker 4: why was I despairing over that situation sort of thing?
Speaker 2: And the moment it's everything.
Speaker 4: It's everything, and that's part of just growing up to
Speaker 4: you just learn that. And I don't think I don't
Speaker 4: think you can hear that advice, and sure anybody actually
Speaker 4: pay attention to it, even if it's coming from your
Speaker 4: older self. But I mean, those are the things I
Speaker 4: think that I would actually say to myself back then.
Speaker 1: Got it or youth in general.
Speaker 4: Right, It's like yeah, youth in general.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what would have.
Speaker 1: Been your like plan B had this not worked out,
Speaker 1: had you started writing and it didn't happen.
Speaker 4: I think it just stayed with the call center job.
Speaker 4: I actually liked the company I was working for it.
Speaker 1: I'm so creative, like I feel like, I guess I
Speaker 1: imagine you would have done something else creative.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I guess I was thinking in terms
Speaker 4: of career. But yeah, you know, if the blogging thing
Speaker 4: hadn't worked out, you know, I'm I would never have
Speaker 4: gotten a chance to write the book I did. Maybe
Speaker 4: I would have improved myself to the point where I
Speaker 4: could actually write a book that would actually get published.
Speaker 4: But I don't know that that's the case. I think
Speaker 4: that if the blogging thing hadn't worked out, it might
Speaker 4: have been sort of a well, you know, the writing
Speaker 4: thing is not going to work out. I need to
Speaker 4: focus on the you know, on the blessings that I
Speaker 4: have in my life right now, just and just go
Speaker 4: forward with that. So but I mean, it's been a
Speaker 4: huge blessing. The blogging thing has been such a huge
Speaker 4: blessing for me. Yeah, I can't imagine being without the
Speaker 4: stuff that the experiences of the last twenty twine years.
Speaker 1: Right, do you ever think about like the people getting
Speaker 1: into writing now or like trying to do what we
Speaker 1: do without the blogging world.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to suggest to them a lot
Speaker 2: of the time. I mean, I say, be on X,
Speaker 2: you know, engage, be interesting.
Speaker 1: But the blogging world really did provide the path in
Speaker 1: a way that it just doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a ground floor situation. It's an
Speaker 4: emergency emerging industry. I mean, we didn't think about this
Speaker 4: all that much in that YO time.
Speaker 1: We were thinking about how do we make this profitable?
Speaker 1: But we weren't thinking like how do we become professional writers?
Speaker 4: As I wasn't right and exactly and you know, honestly,
Speaker 4: I thought the path would be more to radio, which
Speaker 4: I still do, you know, but I don't do it
Speaker 4: on a regular base this right, I.
Speaker 1: Guess it came late to all this, the starting podcasts
Speaker 1: and well, I don't know as of spades. And I
Speaker 1: had a podcast in yeah, two thousand and five, two
Speaker 1: thousand and five, so twenty years ago, Hoist the Black Flag.
Speaker 2: But you know it was an internet radio show.
Speaker 4: Well, and I had one back in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 4: and we've been doing it ever since at hot Air, Right.
Speaker 4: But I think that the problem is is that it
Speaker 4: became an industry and so the barrier to entry is
Speaker 4: higher than it was when you and I were doing
Speaker 4: this twenty one. Yeah, and that's the reason why I
Speaker 4: mentioned substack. I think subtech is a really good platform.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like what Blogger was before Google bought it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: It's a it's a low investment, entry level way to
Speaker 4: establish your voice and then you can compete in the
Speaker 4: marketplace of ideas against places like hot air and red
Speaker 4: State and all the other all the other different phones
Speaker 4: out there. You have to know how to market and
Speaker 4: that was something I think that you know, people would
Speaker 4: ask me come out and talk about how how people
Speaker 4: get started blogging this. You know, this would be like
Speaker 4: an AFP type of thing, you know, go to AFP
Speaker 4: conventions or whatever you call them, and I'd say, you
Speaker 4: have to be serious about it. You have to know
Speaker 4: what your market is, you have to know who the
Speaker 4: players are. You have to engage the players so that
Speaker 4: they'll engage you back. And you can't just send out,
Speaker 4: you know, mass emails to everybody in creation because nobody
Speaker 4: reads those things. You know, you have to engage people.
Speaker 4: I always felt like I was delivering as sort of
Speaker 4: the mechanics of multi level marketing talking about the actual writing,
Speaker 4: because you have to assume the writing. The idea is
Speaker 4: how do you make your writing work? And and so, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that that's still possible, makes it more possible
Speaker 4: than it was. But yeah, it's it's hard to crack now.
Speaker 4: It's so it's so professionalized now that that it's it's
Speaker 4: tougher to crack. I don't envy the people who are
Speaker 4: trying to come into this and something. You start looking
Speaker 4: at what's going to be the next thing. And for
Speaker 4: a while, it was X. For a while, it was TikTok,
Speaker 4: it was Facebook for a while until Facebook cracked down
Speaker 4: on the speech stuff. And now they've light up on that.
Speaker 4: But I don't think people are going to trust Facebook
Speaker 4: as a platform anymore to do that type of work.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I don't know what it's so tough,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: I remember back then somebody would leave a comment on
Speaker 1: my blood, you know, on a post I wrote, and
Speaker 1: I would go look at their blog and look at
Speaker 1: what they're writing.
Speaker 2: And that's how you know you found new writers. You
Speaker 2: don't really have that anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess now if somebody like tweets at
Speaker 1: you or whatever it's called now, but and maybe says
Speaker 1: something interesting, then you go to their page and you
Speaker 1: look at it.
Speaker 2: But even that I click over a lot less often.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think so. I think I just look
Speaker 4: at their at their at their Twitter string, right, I
Speaker 4: don't know that I click over sometimes.
Speaker 1: I no, I mean that their Twitter stream. I don't
Speaker 1: even click over to their Twitter stream anymore. Like I
Speaker 1: think maybe like once in a while, if the if
Speaker 1: their tweet at me really grabs me, then okay, I'll
Speaker 1: go look at their profile page.
Speaker 2: But you know, Rare, I think you're right.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's not the same type of thing
Speaker 4: because I think back in those days again, less of
Speaker 4: an industry, more as a collegial collection of hobbyists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we are getting together at like seapack
Speaker 1: can neither.
Speaker 4: Seapack or you know, the sidelines or anything. Really.
Speaker 1: The RNC convention in New York two thousand and four
Speaker 1: was a big one. Yeah, well, I miss seeing you around,
Speaker 1: you know. I think we need to get that these
Speaker 1: going again where we run into each other at different events,
Speaker 1: and I've loved the opportunity to talk to you today
Speaker 1: because you know, I think you're just fantastic.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and be right
Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show and us here with
Speaker 2: your best tip for my listeners on how they can
Speaker 2: improve their lives.
Speaker 4: How they can improve their lives. I feel very I
Speaker 4: don't feel qualified to tell them, but I will. I
Speaker 4: will say this, which is that you have to be
Speaker 4: true to yourself. And by that, I don't mean that
Speaker 4: you have to be selfish, but I think you have
Speaker 4: to know who you are in order to be truly
Speaker 4: good to others. And I think only by being truly
Speaker 4: good to others are you going to improve your life.
Speaker 4: Because the more you're focused on yourself, the worse your
Speaker 4: life is going to get over the long period of time.
Speaker 4: So know yourself, connect with people on the knowledge of
Speaker 4: who you are, and I think that improves everything.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Here is Ed Morriscy check him out on hot air
Speaker 1: dot com. You are just fantastic, So nice to see you.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Carol, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us on The Carol Marcowich Show.
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