1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marco which show 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: My guest today is Ed Morrissey. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: He is the managing editor of Hot Air and the 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: author of Going Red. 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 3: Hi. 7 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: Ed's so nice to have. 8 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: You on, Carol. 9 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 4: It's great to talk to you again. 10 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: We've known each other a million years, like really a 11 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: million in internet in the internet world, way before there 12 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: was a Twitter or an ex We got to know 13 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: each other in. 14 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: The blog world. 15 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: And there's been one or two changes since then, would 16 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: you say that, couple? 17 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 4: There have been a few changes over the years. Yeah, 18 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 4: you know. 19 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 3: It. 20 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 4: You know it's been. It's been one heck of a ride. Actually, 21 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 4: you know it's I wouldn't have traded it for anything else. 22 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 4: This is it's been a great experience. 23 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: You've always been very positive and I always enjoyed that 24 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: about you. 25 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: You've been in Hot Air how long now. 26 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 4: Well, I've been at hot Air now it would be 27 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 4: seventeen years, and say. 28 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: Seventeen years and internet land is like one hundred years. 29 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 4: I'm ancient, Carol. I have reached the old man shaking 30 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 4: fist at cloud stage of my life and I am 31 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 4: fully willing to come on here and say get off 32 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 4: my damn lawn and turn down your radios. 33 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: And but you don't say that very often. 34 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: I feel like, again, I think I see you as 35 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: very like positive, optimistic. 36 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: Just you know, a friend to all. Would would that 37 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: be accurate? 38 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 4: I certainly hope. So that would be a lovely way 39 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 4: to actually have come across in life, so that it's encouraging. 40 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 4: So yes, I mean that's my aim. I don't know 41 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: how well I pulled that off. 42 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, So how did you get your start in writing 43 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: or in media? 44 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 4: Well, I've always wanted to do writing, and it's just 45 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 4: a question of what kind of writing that you want 46 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 4: to do, right, And so I thought I'd be a 47 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 4: short story guy, and that didn't work out. Number of 48 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: a number of rejections from all of the leading magazines 49 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 4: from that era, Yeah, told me that that wasn't going 50 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: to be my path. And then I was trying to 51 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: novels and I wrote three of them, and you know, 52 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 4: Garth Brooks has this song it says thank God for 53 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 4: unanswered prayers. Yeah, I am so happy that none of 54 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 4: those three are actually out where anybody because they weren't good, 55 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 4: you know. And then I took up blogging, honestly, Initially 56 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: the thought was I need to be more disciplined about 57 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 4: writing every day. You know, I was a call center 58 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: manager at the time. I was actually not unhappy with 59 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 4: that career. But I don't want to write, and I 60 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 4: thought at some point I want to publish a book, 61 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 4: and I thought, well, the way to do that is to, 62 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 4: you know, get in the habit of writing every day. 63 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 4: And then blogging came along. I started doing. 64 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: That and here did you start? 65 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 4: Late two thousand and three and. 66 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: What was your Your blog was called Captain. 67 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 4: Captain's Quarters, Captain's Right Up, and it was it was. 68 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 4: It was an ongoing thing from two thousand and three 69 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 4: to two thousand and eight. When I came aboard hot Air, 70 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: you know, they required me to shut down the old 71 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 4: blog and redirect the traffic to hot air. But it's 72 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 4: still out there. I think right now there's some difficulty 73 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 4: in accessing the archives, but I do pay to have 74 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 4: the archives maintains interesting. 75 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Wow, so I don't have my blog was called Alarming News. 76 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: I don't have it anymore. 77 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: I let my domain name lap. 78 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: Somebody snapped up that domain name and I don't have 79 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: archives of any of it. And I feel mixed about that, 80 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: because like I would like to go back sometimes and 81 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: look at what I maybe wrote in the past. On 82 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: the other hand, I find a lot of the just 83 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: the way I used to speak very embarrassing. Or when 84 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: I see like old Facebook, you know, status messages from 85 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, I'm like, oh. 86 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: God, that was awful. I talk like that. 87 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 4: I don't understand why you feel that way, because I 88 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: loved Alarming News, and I thought you did a great 89 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: job there. 90 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: But but you know that when you when you read 91 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: the past, you the way like just the way I 92 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: would turn a phrase or yes, I don't. 93 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: Know very yah. 94 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I go through the same thing looking at my 95 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: old stuf too, But but I mean, Alarming News was great. 96 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: I loved the Alarming News and it was great domain name, 97 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 4: which is the reason why I got snapped up. I 98 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 4: don't think anybody's going to snap up Captain's quartersblog dot com. 99 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: But you know, you never know. 100 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 4: I use it for some email purposes, to personal email purposes, 101 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 4: so I just keep the I keep the site running, 102 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: and I think I need to alert them that it's 103 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 4: not coming up. You know, it was like a few 104 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: months ago I realized that there was some issues with it. 105 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 4: It's a high priority for me that I still haven't 106 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 4: filed AATA, of course, but eventually I will because I 107 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: do like to go back and look at it from 108 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 4: time to time. 109 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: So what do you see as like the major change 110 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: from those days. 111 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 4: Well, I think, you know, it's more professional, right. I 112 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: think substack has a little bit of what the blog Yes, right, 113 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 4: substack is kind of what the old blog is beer 114 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: was like. But I got professional and the reason was 115 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 4: because we all got better at what we do. You 116 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: got professional. I got professional, and it's because we we learned. 117 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 4: And you know, those of us who survived that era 118 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 4: exactly so, because you know, we we were able to 119 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 4: improve ourselves over time and remain dedicated to it. A 120 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 4: lot of people just had lives, right they were, but 121 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: they just had lives. 122 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: Yeah they had data, Yeah, no lives. That was life. 123 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: But I remember that. 124 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: Era of when bloggers started going professional and they just 125 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: they like the major you know what we call the 126 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: mainstream news outlets started MSM started hiring bloggers and that 127 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: was the end of it, really, and it was for me. 128 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: It was actually w n y C Public Radio in 129 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: New York. They needed like a token conservative and they 130 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: hired me and the Post hired me from there, and 131 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: it was, you know, kind of the end of that 132 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: for me. But yeah, it was the people that were 133 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: really good got snapped up. I'm not saying I was 134 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: really good. 135 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's that's. 136 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 4: Kind of how it was really good because you were 137 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 4: really good. 138 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 2: Thank you. 139 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 1: But Hot Air has been so instrumental for so long 140 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: and so in the mix of the conversation. 141 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: Is that hard to maintain? Just just the sheer length 142 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: of time that you guys have been around is impressive. 143 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 4: Well, thank you. First off, I appreciate that. It's it's 144 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 4: you know, it takes an effort, right, and from time 145 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: to time we fall back a little bit. From time 146 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 4: to time we catch up a little bit. And I 147 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 4: think that you know, we were brought up by again, 148 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 4: we were brought up by Salem fifteen years ago, just 149 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 4: a little over fifteen years ago, and which is great. 150 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 4: I love Salem. I was working with Salem prior to 151 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 4: that and local radio, and then now I work for 152 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 4: Salem and I'm very happy about that. And they've challenged 153 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: us from time to time and they said, you know, 154 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 4: one of the things that made hot air. So I'm 155 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: trying to think of the word that they use. But 156 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 4: basically what us was the fact that we were able 157 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 4: to react fast to it, right. 158 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: Right, I'm going to say timely, But that wasn't quite 159 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: the I knew what you were looking for. 160 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that we could jump on emerging stories with you know, 161 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: some basis of already acquired knowledge and comments on it 162 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: intelligently immediately. 163 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 5: Right. 164 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 4: Sometimes we forget that and we get a little bit 165 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 4: too lost in our think pieces. 166 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: Sure, right, there. 167 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: Is something about that immediacy that we've we've lost. I mean, 168 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: I guess we have it on X now, but then 169 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: it's not quite the same as as the blog post 170 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: of the of that era and what. 171 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: Hot air does. 172 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: It's like I'll see something that I want to write about, 173 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: I'll write it, and then four days later it comes 174 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: out you know in some some outlets. 175 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: That's that's a lag. 176 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: You know, that's not the immediacy of getting it up 177 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: on your site and having people react right away exactly. 178 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 4: And sometimes we have to sometimes internally we have to 179 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: remind ourselves of that is that the thing pieces are great, 180 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: but stuff that could run today tomorrow or that are 181 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 4: you know later in the week generally aren't what is 182 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 4: driving eyeballs to the site right now. And so I 183 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 4: mean you have to have a mix because I think 184 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: that those thing pieces are incredibly important, so that we 185 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: can to a certain extent philosophies about what our approach 186 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: is going to be when breaking news stories actually come up. 187 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: We've kind of firmed up in our minds that, you know, 188 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 4: how we're going to approach things. Yeah, but you still 189 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 4: have to be on top of the news cycle. And 190 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 4: that's that's the trick. You know, it's hard to stay 191 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: on top of a new cycle, especially lately. 192 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: Well, yes, that's like a mile a minute. 193 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: Israel is still under attack. Missile fire has resumed from 194 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 3: Huti's has Bulah and Hamas enemies teeking Israel's destruction. Here 195 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: in America, we cannot imagine living under a constant threat 196 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: of terrorism and rocket attacks. This is the reality in Israel. 197 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: Parents taking their children to school, falling to the ground 198 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 3: to lay on top of their small children, trying to 199 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: comfort them as sirens blair. 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Call to make your gift. 207 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 5: At eight eight eight four eight eight IFCJ that's eight 208 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 5: eight eight four eight eight four three two five, or 209 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 5: online at SUPPORTIFCJ dot org to give one word support 210 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 5: IFCJ dot org. 211 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 4: What do you consider your be You know, for me, 212 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 4: I consider myself a generalist, right. I try to write 213 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 4: about lots of different things because lots of different things 214 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 4: interest me. But I think, you know, hot era. I mean, 215 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 4: I think the beat is really the breaking news cycle, right, 216 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 4: and that's again we have to kind of attune ourselves 217 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: to that. But I like to write about the economy. 218 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: I like to write about you know, policy, Policy is 219 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 4: really what matters most to me. I'm not big on 220 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 4: the personality driven type of stuff in politics. I'm more 221 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 4: driven by policy and philosophy, you know, ideology, whatever you 222 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 4: want to call it. And then you know, I do 223 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 4: other things to amuse myself. I used to write quite 224 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 4: a few more film reviews than I have lately, just 225 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 4: because I just haven't had time to go out to 226 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 4: the movie theaters. 227 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: Not because films are bad. 228 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: Now, well, it's kind of fun to write reviews for 229 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 4: bad films, I have to admit, but. 230 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: Not the watching of the bad film I watched that. 231 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: My movie watching has like plummeted to zero, just because 232 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: every movie I watch is so bad. 233 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: And then I and. 234 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: It's always like the critically acclaimed movies that I watch, 235 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: and they're just terrible, and I can't do it anymore. 236 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 4: Don't even get me started on the Shape of Water. 237 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 4: It was so bad when I when I got back 238 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 4: to my house and wrote the review, which I did 239 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 4: the night I watched. 240 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 2: That, like giggling as you wrote it. 241 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 4: I was more grinding my teeth as I wrote it. 242 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 4: And I wrote in there, this is so bad. I 243 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 4: predict it's going to win a lot of awards this 244 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 4: coming season. Of course, one's Best Oscar, Best Picture Oscar, 245 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 4: and I actually pulled that forward after it won just 246 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 4: to say I told you so. But it's kind of 247 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: fun too. It's kind of fun to be that critical 248 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: to feel the release of being that critical. Sometimes when 249 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 4: you really love a movie, you're kind of defending it 250 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 4: to a certain extent. Yeah, So, I mean that's a trap. 251 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 4: I mean you have to recognize that if you're going 252 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: to write criticism, you have to recognize that that's a trap. 253 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 4: You have to be fair, right, right. You can't just. 254 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: You know, I love this movie, the act on stuff 255 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: that you. 256 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 4: Don't like and this, oh you know, just skip the 257 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: fact that this film I really love doesn't have an 258 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: act two and half of it. Act three is missing 259 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 4: as well. 260 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: I overlooked it. Why can't your actly? Yeah, what do 261 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: you worry about? 262 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 4: You don't worry about being wrong, you know. To me, 263 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 4: it's I mean, everybody's wrong. Everybody makes mistakes. I'm not 264 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 4: so much worried about making a factual mistake, although that's 265 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 4: always embarrassing when you have to go correction. I'll tell 266 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 4: you what I did just recently was kind of fun. 267 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 4: I had written something about what Tara Palmery wrote. She 268 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 4: had interviewed Michael Rosa, who was a Biden aide, and 269 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 4: he was He admitted in a public forum while she 270 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 4: was interviewing that that they were kind of gaslighting people 271 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 4: about Biden, right, And she had written this thing at 272 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 4: Puck saying, wow, this is kind of a big deal, right, 273 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 4: and I wrote this thing. I said, well, she didn't 274 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: really get the context, right, that wasn't just about twenty 275 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 4: twenty four where their gaslighting thing, and go all the 276 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 4: way back to twenty nineteen and this and that and 277 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 4: the other thing. She ends up dming me on Twitter 278 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 4: and asked just so that she she asked if I 279 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 4: could include her YouTube thing that went with it. I 280 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 4: was like, oh, yeah, sure, and we ended up. She 281 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: ended up. I ended up interviewing R and QQ a 282 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: few days later and it was great. But I realized 283 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: while I was adding the YouTube that I had misspelled 284 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: her name throughout the entire post as Paul Meery. Right. 285 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 4: So I said, by the way, I apologize, I've misspelled 286 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 4: your name all the way through this, And she said, 287 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 4: did you, Jennifer pauiery me. This is all you know, 288 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 4: I particularly this is sort of off the record, but 289 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 4: we discussed it on air, so I'm assuming she's fine 290 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 4: with this. It was all in good humor, and I 291 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 4: said yes, and you know, I tweeted it yes, and 292 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: then Hank's head in shame, you know, in parenthesis. 293 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: Right, So you're such a good guy, like I just 294 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: you're too. 295 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: Good for all of this, honestly, you know, it's it's 296 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 4: those kind of human moments that sort of make it fun, 297 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 4: you know, And then you have the people who are 298 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 4: pills who you just decide that I'm just not going 299 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 4: to I'm just not going to engage people that are 300 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 4: miserable and and I don't want to. I don't want 301 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 4: to talk about those examples because it's you know, that 302 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: person should be those people should be on this podcast 303 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 4: if we're going to have that conversation. So I'll just 304 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 4: see that it happens, it happens, and you just move on. Yeah. 305 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: So have you been wrong a lot in your career? 306 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about a lot. I hope not 307 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 4: a lot, right, I mean I've been wrong. I mean 308 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 4: I've gotten some things wrong. We're've had to go back. 309 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 4: I guess the big the biggest example was the you 310 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 4: know polling analysis in twenty twelve, which enraged when when 311 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 4: when Obama ended up winning that year, our readership was 312 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 4: furious with us and a lot of them left them 313 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 4: didn't come back. Yeah. Well, and I I said, we 314 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 4: blew it. You know, we were doing that whole unskewed 315 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 4: the polls thing. Sure, and it turned out that the 316 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 4: polls really didn't need to be unskewed, but sometimes they do. 317 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: You're sort of like, it's a it's a tough spot 318 00:14:59,080 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: to find yourself. 319 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,239 Speaker 2: Sometimes the poles really are skewed well. 320 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: And they have been right, they were before, they've been since. 321 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 4: But I've learned not to assert data that I don't 322 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: actually have. And you know, we were re manipulating the data, 323 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 4: assuming that had been manipulated in the first place, and 324 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 4: we were just flat out wrong, right, So I wrote 325 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 4: at least two, you know, apologies to readers for that, 326 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: and I end up writing a book about that sort 327 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 4: of tangentially right, and you know, that was an enjoyable 328 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 4: experience too. But yeah, that would be one of the 329 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 4: bigger things that I've gotten wrong. And I mean, I 330 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 4: spent months getting that wrong, so you know, I should 331 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 4: own it since I spent months getting it wrong. I 332 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 4: put a lot of hard work into getting that wrong. 333 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: Very fair though, I mean, again, I think that so 334 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: long ago, and I you know, there's been again opportunities 335 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: for the polls to be and skewed since then. But 336 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: it's very noble of you to take that blame responsibility, 337 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: however you want to say it. 338 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 4: You know how noble it is when it's really patently 339 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: obvious to everybody and you're just owning up. 340 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: You can let people forget it. Nobody will ever, you know, Well, yeah. 341 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, yeah, I mean, but I mean you asked, 342 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 4: And so that's a pretty good example of it. I've 343 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 4: gotten factually thinking things factually incorrect that on a couple 344 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: of occasions, I negated the entire point of a post 345 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 4: that I wrote from which point you just put, you know, update, 346 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 4: I got this wrong. Everything below here is no sense 347 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: you know you got that? 348 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And so the beauty of blogging versus publishing 349 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: in a newspaper right there. 350 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 4: Though, right right, you know. And honestly, I've gotten columns 351 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 4: early on. I think I got one really wrong for 352 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 4: The New York Sun, and I I actually just quit 353 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 4: writing the column. I was so embarrassed by it. And 354 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 4: this is early in my blogging career. Yeah, they didn't 355 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 4: ask me to stop. They were kind of unhappy with 356 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 4: the fact that I'd gotten something pretty significantly wrong. It 357 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: colored the conclusion of the whole point of my column, 358 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 4: and I wrote back, and I, you know, it was 359 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 4: abjectly apology, you know, abjectly apologizing for it. And they 360 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 4: were nice about it. This is not The New York 361 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 4: Sun's issue. But I was so embarrassed by that it 362 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 4: just I just decided I didn't want to write a 363 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 4: column for a while, and later on I picked up 364 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 4: I picked up columns. 365 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: Down the road, so too good. 366 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: What advice would you give your fifteen year old self 367 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: for sixteen year old self. 368 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 4: Oh, my goodness, you know, I have a joke answer 369 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 4: for that, which is to stay, which is to say, 370 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 4: either be a left handed relief pitcher or a police 371 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 4: kicker for football, because you can. You can. You can 372 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 4: spend twenty years doing that in your uniform will never 373 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 4: get dirty. 374 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: But I feel like you like getting your uniform dirty. 375 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 4: I know I do kind of even back in those days. 376 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 4: I kind of like getting the uniform dirty, you know, 377 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 4: you know. And then the obvious answer is finished college, 378 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: which I didn't do. 379 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: Wow. 380 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 4: I don't think I would have listened to that, though, 381 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 4: because that was the same advice that my dad was 382 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 4: giving me constantly during that same period. I was and 383 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 4: I've written about that a couple times. I think at 384 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 4: hot air, and I think that if I was, you know, 385 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 4: to seriously address this question, what I would say is one, 386 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 4: connect to your faith, because God is going to be 387 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 4: very important to you, and the sooner you connect to that, 388 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 4: the better off you're going to be. And the second 389 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 4: thing would be I would say, don't And this is 390 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: something I've told people. There's two things to remember in life. 391 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 4: It's never as bad as it seems, and it's never 392 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 4: as good as it seems. And you know, when you're 393 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 4: sixteen years old, you're going to spend the next ten 394 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 4: years going through really difficult highs and lows. And you 395 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 4: look back and you go, why was I you know, 396 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 4: why was I despairing over that situation sort of thing? 397 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: And the moment it's everything. 398 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 4: It's everything, and that's part of just growing up to 399 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: you just learn that. And I don't think I don't 400 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 4: think you can hear that advice, and sure anybody actually 401 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 4: pay attention to it, even if it's coming from your 402 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 4: older self. But I mean, those are the things I 403 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 4: think that I would actually say to myself back then. 404 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: Got it or youth in general. 405 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 4: Right, It's like yeah, youth in general. 406 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, what would have. 407 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: Been your like plan B had this not worked out, 408 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: had you started writing and it didn't happen. 409 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 4: I think it just stayed with the call center job. 410 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 4: I actually liked the company I was working for it. 411 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm so creative, like I feel like, I guess I 412 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: imagine you would have done something else creative. 413 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I guess I was thinking in terms 414 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 4: of career. But yeah, you know, if the blogging thing 415 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 4: hadn't worked out, you know, I'm I would never have 416 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 4: gotten a chance to write the book I did. Maybe 417 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 4: I would have improved myself to the point where I 418 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 4: could actually write a book that would actually get published. 419 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 4: But I don't know that that's the case. I think 420 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 4: that if the blogging thing hadn't worked out, it might 421 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 4: have been sort of a well, you know, the writing 422 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 4: thing is not going to work out. I need to 423 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 4: focus on the you know, on the blessings that I 424 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 4: have in my life right now, just and just go 425 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 4: forward with that. So but I mean, it's been a 426 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 4: huge blessing. The blogging thing has been such a huge 427 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 4: blessing for me. Yeah, I can't imagine being without the 428 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 4: stuff that the experiences of the last twenty twine years. 429 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: Right, do you ever think about like the people getting 430 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: into writing now or like trying to do what we 431 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: do without the blogging world. 432 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what to suggest to them a lot 433 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: of the time. I mean, I say, be on X, 434 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: you know, engage, be interesting. 435 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: But the blogging world really did provide the path in 436 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: a way that it just doesn't exist anymore. 437 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a ground floor situation. It's an 438 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: emergency emerging industry. I mean, we didn't think about this 439 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 4: all that much in that YO time. 440 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: We were thinking about how do we make this profitable? 441 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: But we weren't thinking like how do we become professional writers? 442 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: As I wasn't right and exactly and you know, honestly, 443 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 4: I thought the path would be more to radio, which 444 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 4: I still do, you know, but I don't do it 445 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: on a regular base this right, I. 446 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: Guess it came late to all this, the starting podcasts 447 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: and well, I don't know as of spades. And I 448 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: had a podcast in yeah, two thousand and five, two 449 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: thousand and five, so twenty years ago, Hoist the Black Flag. 450 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: But you know it was an internet radio show. 451 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 4: Well, and I had one back in two thousand and seven, 452 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 4: and we've been doing it ever since at hot Air, Right. 453 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 4: But I think that the problem is is that it 454 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 4: became an industry and so the barrier to entry is 455 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 4: higher than it was when you and I were doing 456 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 4: this twenty one. Yeah, and that's the reason why I 457 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 4: mentioned substack. I think subtech is a really good platform. 458 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 4: It's kind of like what Blogger was before Google bought it, right, Yeah, 459 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 4: It's a it's a low investment, entry level way to 460 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 4: establish your voice and then you can compete in the 461 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 4: marketplace of ideas against places like hot air and red 462 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 4: State and all the other all the other different phones 463 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 4: out there. You have to know how to market and 464 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 4: that was something I think that you know, people would 465 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 4: ask me come out and talk about how how people 466 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 4: get started blogging this. You know, this would be like 467 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 4: an AFP type of thing, you know, go to AFP 468 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: conventions or whatever you call them, and I'd say, you 469 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 4: have to be serious about it. You have to know 470 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 4: what your market is, you have to know who the 471 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 4: players are. You have to engage the players so that 472 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 4: they'll engage you back. And you can't just send out, 473 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 4: you know, mass emails to everybody in creation because nobody 474 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 4: reads those things. You know, you have to engage people. 475 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 4: I always felt like I was delivering as sort of 476 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 4: the mechanics of multi level marketing talking about the actual writing, 477 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: because you have to assume the writing. The idea is 478 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 4: how do you make your writing work? And and so, yeah, 479 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 4: I think that that's still possible, makes it more possible 480 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 4: than it was. But yeah, it's it's hard to crack now. 481 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 4: It's so it's so professionalized now that that it's it's 482 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 4: tougher to crack. I don't envy the people who are 483 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 4: trying to come into this and something. You start looking 484 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 4: at what's going to be the next thing. And for 485 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 4: a while, it was X. For a while, it was TikTok, 486 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 4: it was Facebook for a while until Facebook cracked down 487 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 4: on the speech stuff. And now they've light up on that. 488 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 4: But I don't think people are going to trust Facebook 489 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 4: as a platform anymore to do that type of work. 490 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 4: So I don't know, I don't know what it's so tough, 491 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 4: you know. 492 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 1: I remember back then somebody would leave a comment on 493 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: my blood, you know, on a post I wrote, and 494 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: I would go look at their blog and look at 495 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: what they're writing. 496 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: And that's how you know you found new writers. You 497 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: don't really have that anymore. 498 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess now if somebody like tweets at 499 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: you or whatever it's called now, but and maybe says 500 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: something interesting, then you go to their page and you 501 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: look at it. 502 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: But even that I click over a lot less often. 503 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think so. I think I just look 504 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 4: at their at their at their Twitter string, right, I 505 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 4: don't know that I click over sometimes. 506 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: I no, I mean that their Twitter stream. I don't 507 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: even click over to their Twitter stream anymore. Like I 508 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: think maybe like once in a while, if the if 509 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: their tweet at me really grabs me, then okay, I'll 510 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: go look at their profile page. 511 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: But you know, Rare, I think you're right. 512 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 4: I think it's it's not the same type of thing 513 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 4: because I think back in those days again, less of 514 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 4: an industry, more as a collegial collection of hobbyists. 515 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we are getting together at like seapack 516 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: can neither. 517 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 4: Seapack or you know, the sidelines or anything. Really. 518 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: The RNC convention in New York two thousand and four 519 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: was a big one. Yeah, well, I miss seeing you around, 520 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: you know. I think we need to get that these 521 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: going again where we run into each other at different events, 522 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: and I've loved the opportunity to talk to you today 523 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: because you know, I think you're just fantastic. 524 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and be right 525 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show and us here with 526 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 2: your best tip for my listeners on how they can 527 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 2: improve their lives. 528 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: How they can improve their lives. I feel very I 529 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 4: don't feel qualified to tell them, but I will. I 530 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 4: will say this, which is that you have to be 531 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 4: true to yourself. And by that, I don't mean that 532 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 4: you have to be selfish, but I think you have 533 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 4: to know who you are in order to be truly 534 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 4: good to others. And I think only by being truly 535 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 4: good to others are you going to improve your life. 536 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 4: Because the more you're focused on yourself, the worse your 537 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 4: life is going to get over the long period of time. 538 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 4: So know yourself, connect with people on the knowledge of 539 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 4: who you are, and I think that improves everything. 540 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: I love it. 541 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: Here is Ed Morriscy check him out on hot air 542 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: dot com. You are just fantastic, So nice to see you. 543 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 4: Thank you, Carol, I really appreciate it. 544 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us on The Carol Marcowich Show. 545 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 2: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.