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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Milman of the Action Network. Today I'm

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, my companion, my Campadre,

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Speaker 1: my BFF professional better Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Eto. So I am it.

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Speaker 3: Hello chat.

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Speaker 4: I think I have a fun fact for you today

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Speaker 4: that you're gonna love. A couple of episodes ago, you

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Speaker 4: called me out for my Irish goodbye at our party

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Speaker 4: and if people have ever wondered, what do they call

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Speaker 4: it in England, because they don't call an Irish goodbye

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Speaker 4: obviously in England they call it a backdoor boogie. Really,

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Speaker 4: just love the idea of someone turned into their mate

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Speaker 4: saying yeah, I'm about the back door boogie and then

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Speaker 4: just leave no such thing as an Irish goodbye.

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Speaker 1: Did you get that from your mommy?

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Speaker 4: No, just some British listeners, a diehard fan of ours,

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Speaker 4: my cousin, No way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I thought that was really clever.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I loved about that event. By the way,

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Speaker 1: So we were there and I think I told this story.

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Speaker 1: Did I tell the story about the kid I met

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Speaker 1: from Indiana who had played soccer there, but he grew

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Speaker 1: up in Liverpool and I told him that you were

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Speaker 1: from northern England as well. And when I told him

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Speaker 1: where you were from, he looked at me as like, man,

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Speaker 1: that is hardcore. It's rough, old school England right there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I told you.

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Speaker 4: Anytime I do go, especially because I'm a big guy,

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Speaker 4: like I'm tall and overweight, which is very American, I

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Speaker 4: stick out like you wouldn't believe it. Like everyone could

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Speaker 4: just tell I'm American immediately.

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Speaker 5: When I'm walking around down there.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, always fun going back home.

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Speaker 1: Here's a fun fact if we're going to go into

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Speaker 1: fun facts. So you know, I'm working on this book

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Speaker 1: and so a lot of my days right now are

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Speaker 1: spent and doing so much research. Like if you could

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Speaker 1: see outside the camera frame, my desk is piled piled

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Speaker 1: with books about gambling history, including David Schwartz Roll the

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Speaker 1: Bones that we had on earlier in the year, and

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Speaker 1: as well as newspaper articles, old photos. I told you

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Speaker 1: I met with the grandson of the guy who invented

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Speaker 1: the point spread, another very famous old school bookie who

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Speaker 1: was a bookmaker with the Mob in the nineteen thirties

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Speaker 1: and forties. His son sent me piles of newspapers and

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Speaker 1: of clippings and piles of old photos, and like this morning,

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Speaker 1: I was looking at a.

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Speaker 2: Photo of this dude with three.

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Speaker 1: World famous jockeys from the nineteen thirties and forties at

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Speaker 1: a club in Havana, Cuba.

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Speaker 2: Like real old school stuff, right.

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Speaker 1: But one of the facts I read the other day,

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Speaker 1: do you know why it's called handicapping? Do you know

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Speaker 1: why everything we do is called handicapping?

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Speaker 3: I always figured it was if you were wrong, they

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Speaker 3: take your knee. No, the handicap, Yeah, no.

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Speaker 2: It's not, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's in the eighteen seventies, the guy who ran like

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Speaker 1: the Jockey Club of England, who was a royal admiral

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Speaker 1: who probably had a name of Sir something or other.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who loved horse racing in England, as you know,

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Speaker 1: as we all know, and they were trying to find

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Speaker 1: ways to make the races more even because there would

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Speaker 1: be horses who were really fast and horses that were

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Speaker 1: really slow, and they didn't have odds yet, and so

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Speaker 1: they were trying to figure out how to make it

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Speaker 1: better for betters. So they would add weights to the

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Speaker 1: fast horses to give them a handicap, and that is

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Speaker 1: how it's called handicapping.

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Speaker 5: That's insane, isn't that great?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's funny. And then that and then golf

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Speaker 3: took it. That's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Betty has added to the vernacular of sports in

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Speaker 1: so many freaking ways that I am I've always known,

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Speaker 1: but I'm like unpacking and so many other facets as

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Speaker 1: I go through this research. It's it's super fun. I

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Speaker 2: I've learned so far.

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Speaker 5: Looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: I know you've thought a lot about it. I know

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Speaker 1: you worked hard on it. I'm super psyched for you.

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Speaker 1: your time. You got like a week before the draft.

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Speaker 1: Every second is precious. You put out a new mock draft,

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Speaker 1: very bold move, predicting a trade involving the Browns. You

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Speaker 1: mocked the brown selecting Travis Hunter at number two and

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Speaker 1: trading up with Atlanta to take Shador Sanders. Do you

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Speaker 1: you feel confident about getting Sanders landing position correct? Being

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Speaker 6: I would say I feel as are more confident that

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Speaker 6: Shador Sanders is not going to go in the first

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Speaker 6: nine picks, which is saying a lot because I think

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Speaker 6: a lot of people, including myself early on, thought that

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Speaker 6: everyone still to this day is saying, well, the Saints

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Speaker 5: He doesn't have the big arm.

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Speaker 6: You can play a dome, that division is good weather.

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Speaker 6: Kellen Moore, I look at it this way, and I've

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Speaker 6: got sources as well, but my initial reaction to that

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Speaker 5: That's not Shador man, That's just you.

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Speaker 6: Know, Shador would fit with Cleveland and the reason why

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Speaker 6: I had Cleveland trading up. And we'll get to that

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Speaker 6: in a second. Like Kevin Stefanski is one with that

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Speaker 6: not the most mobile. But so what makes them successful.

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Speaker 6: Cleveland and Shadoor as a marriage in terms of what

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Speaker 6: the Saints, the guy the Saints want, and it's because

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Speaker 6: So I envision a scenario in which we're looking at

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Speaker 6: Jackson Dart are still available at ten, and now the

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Speaker 6: clock is ticking, and I think everyone in the league

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Speaker 6: to go up and get Shador. And we'll find out

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Speaker 6: what happens with Aaron Rodgers. So I think everyone in

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Speaker 5: So if it's the Giants or the Browns.

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Speaker 6: I went with Atlanta because Atlanta has the second fewest

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Speaker 5: Entire draft with five. But we'll see how it all

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Speaker 6: I could see Shador going somewhere in that ten to

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Speaker 6: Starting to feel like it might be the Giants more

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Speaker 6: so but we'll see how that plays out. And then

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Speaker 6: I could see Jackson Dart a team trading up with

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Speaker 1: I know Simon wants to jump in with a very

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Speaker 1: important quarterback question Number one. I just want to clarify

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Speaker 1: either I misheard you or you just said you don't

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Speaker 6: If I said that camboard's going number one, you can

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Speaker 6: you can write that down.

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Speaker 1: If you're the Browns and you've got the second pick.

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Speaker 2: Guests, why wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: You go for Shador Sanders there? If what you need

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Speaker 6: Travis Hunter is brilliant Okay, at wide receiver and at cornerback.

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Speaker 5: You can't pass on that. I actually I looked this

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Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of people say with the Giants

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Speaker 6: in the past. Lamar Jackson would be like the glass

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Speaker 5: All of a sudden, Lamar is sitting there.

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Speaker 6: They get an opportunity, they traded into thirty two, and

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Speaker 2: Okay, good research.

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Speaker 6: Johnny Manzell Browns took him at twenty At twenty two,

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Speaker 5: The four examples here.

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Speaker 6: they took Trent Richardson at number three, Brady Quinn also

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Speaker 6: if you don't have a grade that's equivalent to one

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Speaker 5: A These are premium positions.

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Speaker 6: Corner wide receiver. He could solve problems on both sides

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Speaker 6: the offensive side. Travis Hunter could be for the Browns.

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Speaker 6: That's what they expect. Abdul Carter best pass rusher, premium position,

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Speaker 6: history tells us more often than not when you don't

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Speaker 6: mean they have massive needs for the future of these organizations.

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Speaker 6: If they loved Shador Sanders enough, this would.

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Speaker 5: Be a moot point. The information would be leaking out everywhere.

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Speaker 5: They don't.

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Speaker 6: So you don't reach for a quarterback and pass up

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Speaker 6: on a future Joe Thomas or Terrell sucks.

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Speaker 2: You've sufficiently put me in my place. Go ahead, some.

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Speaker 3: Just really quick.

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Speaker 4: I would love to know the view though on Travis

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Speaker 4: you need him to be what a top twenty five receiver,

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Speaker 5: Know how it works.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm trying to wrap my head around him going

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Speaker 3: Cover receiver in a couple of plays where it's just.

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Speaker 4: Like if he goes to the AFC North, he doesn't

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Speaker 5: Why'd you just do it?

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Speaker 4: You're in a division Joe Burrow, This feels like such

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Speaker 4: you know, we all get sucked into the moment.

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Speaker 5: I get it.

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Speaker 4: But he's a big twelve player, wide receiver and cornerback,

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Speaker 4: and now he's gonna be the number two pick. I

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Speaker 4: would love to hear your view, one of the Browns.

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Speaker 4: Why not just take car order, play it safe. They're

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Speaker 4: going for a really like we say, a unicorn. What

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Speaker 4: is what? What do you think he needs to do

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Speaker 4: his upside? Wide receiver and cornerback?

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Speaker 5: What if I told.

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Speaker 6: You you're you're gonna be able and the number two

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Speaker 5: Okay, but my point is.

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Speaker 4: This, like show Hey is a freak genetically, This kid

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Speaker 4: is a freak. I have seen the date, but a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, I listen.

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Speaker 6: I only say that for Devil's advocate, right, because because

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Speaker 6: a stamina thing like we can erase that. Because the

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Speaker 6: Charles Woods and stuff. They had like a combined six

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Speaker 3: Howard's been thrown out.

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Speaker 5: There doesn't work.

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Speaker 6: Dion Prime coach Prime was was the closest thing too,

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Speaker 6: that long NFL career. Yes, the return game, No one's

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Speaker 6: done this. The durability part, I'm with you. It becomes

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Speaker 6: the simple thinking was, like, there's ten other guys on

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Speaker 6: we're playing Cover one or Cover two, or Cover three

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Speaker 6: or quarters or Cover six, Like, we can't have this

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Speaker 5: And I get that part.

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Speaker 6: But then as we've gotten closer to the draft, and

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Speaker 6: I think as general managers have gotten involved in offensive

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Speaker 6: You're gonna draft this guy and you're not gonna give

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Speaker 6: You're not gonna allow him to be a weapon he's

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Speaker 6: got the best ball skills of a receiver I I

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Speaker 6: no one talks about like it. It starts with he's

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Speaker 3: So people up into Chad Johnson. Do you like that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't mind it. Garrett Wilson, I see a

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Speaker 6: I don't want to say it just prop but like

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Speaker 5: I think that's what he can be on offense.

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Speaker 6: Now, how do you how do you then overcome the

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Speaker 6: Maybe he's not in every meeting, but maybe we just

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Speaker 6: he can do both. Maybe we figure out how to

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Speaker 5: Not gonna be your every downlead.

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Speaker 6: He's not gonna be like Christian Gonzalez was with the Patriots,

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Speaker 6: it took the Jets two picks to get Garrett Wilson

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Speaker 3: You're in the No, it's a done deal. Travis Hunter

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Speaker 5: I don't want to say it's a done deal because in.

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Speaker 3: The oldest show, people can bet on this. So either right,

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Speaker 3: I understand that it's a good number.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I get that, but I would I wouldn't do

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Speaker 5: So like, there's plenty of other bets.

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Speaker 6: I've looked, I've been on fan duel, I've been running,

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Speaker 6: and there's plenty of other bets where the odds are better.

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Speaker 6: But if you're just looking like you feel really good

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Speaker 6: take Carter at what's Carter like minus three hundred now.

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Speaker 5: I said last week, I was like taking it.

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Speaker 6: It's not gonna get better than minus two hundred for

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Speaker 5: I still would take that there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just hoping the owner of Cleveland talks to

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Speaker 4: the draft and make some draft pick that way. This

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Speaker 4: as this is a betting show right now. The over

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Speaker 3: People are really talking about him.

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Speaker 4: That team, you know, the Browns, if they do take

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Speaker 4: like you said, Travis Hunter, they're a team that picked

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Speaker 3: Taking this kid makes sense. You know we've all heard

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Speaker 5: I can't imagine.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna cut you off. I'm sorry, but I love

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Speaker 6: this stuff. Let's just bounce back. I've got a bunch

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Speaker 5: It's now.

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Speaker 6: It was like minus three something yesterday, so you're saying

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Speaker 6: it's mine four fifty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's moving.

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Speaker 6: So if you have the money in the bank, just

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 6: But I think the Saints sitting there at forty, even

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Speaker 6: thirty three. And this is why I've never seen I've

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Speaker 5: Then you got to remember, too, there's the Raiders sitting

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Speaker 6: process is with these quarterbacks. I love this guy. So

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Speaker 6: you're gonna just sit there and hope that that guy's

446
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Speaker 6: waiting for you overnight coming into Friday. I just don't

447
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Speaker 6: see it happening. So yeah, it's gonna cost you a

448
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 6: lot of money, but I can't imagine a scenario in

449
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Speaker 6: which we don't have three quarterbacks in the first round.

450
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Speaker 1: How often do you, as an expert who goes to

451
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Speaker 1: a lot of the events where there are private workouts

452
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Speaker 1: and group workouts and you know, senior days, et cetera,

453
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: et cetera, but also watch it as any imenordtant amount

454
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Speaker 1: of film on all these guys, do you change your

455
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Speaker 1: mind after the season, after having seen all this tape

456
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Speaker 1: and all this development, Because my feeling is that there

457
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Speaker 1: is a little bit of forgetting what people have seen

458
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Speaker 1: on tape and falling in love with what they see

459
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Speaker 1: in real life in these private workouts that are not

460
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Speaker 1: the same as a game, and it becomes a little

461
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Speaker 1: bit of recency bias.

462
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's just so much nuance with the quarterback position.

463
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Speaker 6: I think people have gotten to see the combine workouts

464
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Speaker 6: and the pro day workouts, and they're staged for them.

465
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Speaker 5: I mean, the combine isn't stage, but it's the same throws.

466
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Speaker 6: It's you know, trying to time it out with these

467
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Speaker 6: receivers so you're not trying to throw anticipation.

468
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Speaker 5: The difference with this is you bring.

469
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Speaker 6: Your offensive coordinator, you bring your quarterback coach.

470
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Speaker 5: You also bring your owner.

471
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Speaker 6: You have dinner within the night for And yes, there's

472
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Speaker 6: part of it where sometimes too much emphasis can go.

473
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Speaker 5: Like I just love this guy, I want to work

474
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Speaker 5: with him the human being.

475
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Speaker 6: I get that part, But there's also like the install

476
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Speaker 6: process and testing their mind and how like. So much

477
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Speaker 6: of this position, which is different than most than all

478
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Speaker 6: the other positions in terms of the level that you

479
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 6: need to have, is the recall thinking on the fly,

480
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 6: how quickly you process. And it's not perfect, you know,

481
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 6: it's not apples to apples to a game situation, but

482
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Speaker 6: you can test them and I think that's that's the part.

483
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Speaker 6: When you're doing these private workouts, it's just as much

484
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Speaker 6: about the brain and the timing of the operation as

485
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Speaker 6: it is He's got a strong arm, stronger than I

486
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Speaker 6: thought on tape. You know, like that part gets overrated

487
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Speaker 6: because it's what the public gets to see versus what

488
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Speaker 6: the public does. I've never been to a private workout,

489
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Speaker 6: you know, like scouts haven't been to the private workouts.

490
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Speaker 6: It's the it's the GM, the head coach, the offensive coordinator,

491
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Speaker 6: and they're very very very much tailored to what they're

492
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Speaker 6: looking for.

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Speaker 1: In your opinion right now, who is the safest draft

494
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Speaker 1: prospect this year?

495
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Speaker 5: That word is tough.

496
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Speaker 2: I mean highest floor. How about highest floor, highest.

497
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Speaker 5: Floors, Tyler Warren. There's there's no real durability concern.

498
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Speaker 6: You can say, here's the thing, if you can wash

499
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Speaker 6: out if he stays healthy, because you can say that

500
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Speaker 6: for every prospect, but there's greater.

501
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Speaker 5: Risk with certain ones than we all know.

502
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Speaker 6: I don't know that his ceiling is necessarily as high

503
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Speaker 6: as some of the other guys that will get drafted

504
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Speaker 6: right near him or after him. I think Colston Lovelin

505
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 6: has a chance to maybe have a bigger yards per catch,

506
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Speaker 6: and and I don't want to say, catch more passes,

507
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 6: but but yeah, but more explosive and and create bigger

508
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 6: opportunities in the past game because he's a little bit

509
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 6: more sudden, twitchy, best route runner of the tight ends.

510
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Speaker 6: But I just don't see a scenario in which Warren,

511
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Speaker 6: a healthy Warren, fails like I like for downs. Man,

512
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 6: this guy's a first down machine, whether it's you know,

513
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 6: eight nine yards and just turn around and grind out

514
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 6: the last two or three, or if it's a three

515
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 6: yard little screen to him or just a quick, you know,

516
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 6: quick hook.

517
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Speaker 5: To him and then he just he's able to run

518
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Speaker 5: after the catch.

519
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying he's Gronk, but he's like the closest

520
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Speaker 6: thing we've seen in a while since Gronk.

521
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Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be that kind of player.

522
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Speaker 4: Now, someone that's followed you from a long time, just

523
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 4: because like I bet big money in the draft. Always

524
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Speaker 4: have always like to find edges, and you do move

525
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 4: markets because people trust your opinion. I mean, you know,

526
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Speaker 4: you know you've been around a long time. You did

527
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 4: say today briefly, GENTI Patriots. I would love to know

528
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Speaker 4: more about that, because that moved the market, like you

529
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 4: don't even realize that it moved the market, that people

530
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Speaker 4: are like, oh my god, judge me and top five pick,

531
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Speaker 4: and if that does happen, that's crazy about Again, you know,

532
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Speaker 4: it's probably not gonna happen. It's more likely they're gonna

533
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Speaker 4: go Will Campbell or who knows the draft falls. But

534
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Speaker 4: I just thought that was interesting that. But you know,

535
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 4: this is a guy that started out at outside top ten.

536
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 4: Now everyone's getting in love to the Raiders. Now you

537
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 4: mentioned the Patriots. Is that is that something that's like

538
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 4: real or is that just they're enamored with the athlete

539
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 4: that he is.

540
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Speaker 6: Here's the interesting part of the conversations I have. I'm

541
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 6: never calling Mike Vrabel and like, Michael, you're taking right.

542
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 6: So it's always another GM or a personnel director who

543
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 6: I talked because everyone's talking to everyone now in league circles,

544
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 6: and the conversation is never, never with anyone, even like

545
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 6: Joe Douglas I played college football with, We've family friends,

546
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 6: all that, Like never once one time ever, never would

547
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Speaker 6: It's like absurd, be like Joe, who are you taking

548
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 6: with that pick?

549
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 5: You know, like it's just not how this thing goes.

550
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Speaker 6: So it's a lot of information, like hey, someone who's

551
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Speaker 6: a little lower ranking maybe say like, hey, there is

552
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 6: there is discussion in the building, like gent than genty

553
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 6: still on and sometimes those people aren't in that final

554
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 6: like two or three human beings that are in the room.

555
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 6: There's a board that's set for the whole staff, right,

556
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 6: and then there's the real board, and that's most organizations.

557
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 6: So it's sometimes a little leak will come out like

558
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 6: don't close the book, Like I get the call it

559
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 6: don't close the book on Shador. I'm not sure what's

560
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 6: going on, but they're still having discussions and Giants' facilities

561
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 6: something about Shador. Don't know if that means later or

562
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 6: so that's what's going on now. The Jind thing's interesting

563
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 6: because I haven't talked to a person in the league

564
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Speaker 6: that doesn't have him in the top five in terms

565
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 6: of grades, and the vast majority of people I talk

566
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 6: to have him at three. They think he's the third

567
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 6: best player in this draft, just behind Hunter and Carter okay,

568
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 6: but ahead of Mason Graham and Tyler Warren and Jalen

569
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Speaker 6: Walker and those guys.

570
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 5: Okay. So I can see how as.

571
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Speaker 6: You get closer you're like, I don't know, he's so special,

572
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 6: he's got a chance to be diff But then I

573
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 6: look at the Patriots situation.

574
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 5: I'm like, yes, Saquon is awesome with the Eagles, but

575
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 5: what was he with the Giants when they couldn't you

576
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 5: know what I mean.

577
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 6: So I think that's a lot of the discussion going on.

578
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 6: I've just heard a couple nuggets that make me I'm

579
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 6: not to the point, Like I got Felika calling me

580
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 6: the bear all the time and we're going back and forth,

581
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 6: and Stanford Steve, my longtime buddy, all by degenerate friends

582
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 6: up here in Boston, Like I spend more time on

583
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 6: this stuff than I should, but I love it because

584
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 6: it's fun and like trying to figure out all the

585
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 6: maize and the puzzle.

586
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 5: But it's one of those like if the line's ridiculous.

587
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 6: Maybe you put a dollar on it, Like maybe you

588
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 6: put a couple dollars versus putting one hundred dollars or

589
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 6: a thousand, you know, but it's worth like who knows.

590
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 6: Maybe I just am getting the sense whether it's New

591
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 6: England at four, Jaguars at five, there's a little bit

592
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 6: more buzz than I expected to hear at this point

593
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 6: in time.

594
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Speaker 5: I'll say this.

595
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 6: I wish I'm totally changing course here, but I was

596
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 6: shocked yesterday when I looked. And again I'm not saying

597
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 6: it's like a guarantee or I have solid information and

598
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 6: go with this race in now before the line changes,

599
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 6: but I was.

600
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Speaker 5: Really interested to see Warren is plus seven hundred to

601
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 5: the Jets, like you might wanna yeah, right there, I

602
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 5: see you at the pen.

603
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 2: You might want to write that one, by the way,

604
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: not a pen. He's betting it at yeah.

605
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 3: Down a plus three hundred.

606
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Speaker 4: I tweeted that out yet last night and the gent

607
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: d I bet it when you when you talked about

608
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 4: he was twenty to one. It's down to sixteen to

609
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 4: one him to go to the Patriots. So sometimes I'm

610
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 4: telling you move markets.

611
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

612
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 6: It's the only thing in the It's the only time

613
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 6: in anything in my entire life, including like day to

614
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 6: day chores, that anyone listens to me.

615
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 5: So we'll go with it.

616
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Speaker 2: It's so funny, Todd.

617
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Speaker 1: We had Felikhan a few weeks ago, we had Stanford

618
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: on a few weeks before that. Everybody's talking to the

619
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Speaker 1: same fucking people. We're all talking and texting with each other,

620
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: it's it's freaking hilarious.

621
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Speaker 6: I do want owes me, Felika owes me like a

622
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 6: vacation at some point after the last three years.

623
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 5: I'm just going to say that.

624
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: Well, I'll let him know. I'm going to text him

625
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: at his clip right now. Yeah, please he can, you know,

626
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: put it in his todd makeshae fund.

627
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 5: How do you think he's the best? I mean I

628
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 5: owe him more than he owes me, let's put it

629
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: that way.

630
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, how do you figure out all these smoke

631
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: signals from all these gms? And they know not only

632
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: that you're calling and getting information from them, but they

633
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: will potentially be trying to use you as a conduit

634
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: to get information, but also they might say something to

635
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: you that you could be sharing with somebody else in

636
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: a sort of informal way. How do you know what

637
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: to use for real in a mock versus what's someone

638
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: trying to.

639
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 5: Throw you off?

640
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: The scent.

641
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 6: You get to I've been burned before, but I haven't

642
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 6: been totally burned in a while. And I was burned

643
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 6: before because I was young and still developing relationships. And

644
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 6: it's like any business, you learn who you can trust,

645
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 6: and you learn who you and you develop relationships, and again,

646
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 6: no one say we're definitely even if even when I've

647
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 6: had conversations when it's kind of narrowed down and it's

648
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 6: never directly.

649
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 5: Said, we're either gonna take this guy or this guy.

650
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 6: But you when you get down with forty five minutes

651
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 6: on the phone with the decision maker of an organization,

652
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 6: you get a sense just as you're going through boards

653
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 6: and having discussions. And honestly, it's never it's rarely the answer.

654
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 6: It's usually the question that's asked of me that tips

655
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 6: me off. Oh they're they're thinking this there. Why is

656
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 6: he asking me about this player? Why is he asking

657
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 6: me about this team that picks three spots ahead?

658
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

659
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 6: That's where you just get a sense, and it's like

660
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 6: this little dance that goes on.

661
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 5: But here's the other part too.

662
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 6: Gms don't know they know who they want, they know

663
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 6: how their board is, but they don't know what's coming

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Speaker 6: to them, you know. So there's no I won one time.

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Speaker 6: I think with Barstool, I went on right and I'll

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Speaker 6: never forget I did this. We're going back and forth

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Speaker 6: and then they were talking, they were just you know,

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Speaker 6: being it was a parton might take us and and

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Speaker 6: they're like, let's do a contest where if anyone could

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Speaker 6: ever what would you put up if someone could get

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Speaker 6: a perfect mock draft. I said, I'll put up a

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Speaker 6: million dollars right now, I'll put up a million dollars

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Speaker 6: right like, it is literally impossible that if you if

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Speaker 6: you got all thirty two gms in a room and

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Speaker 6: they did a mock draft and they shared information, it

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Speaker 6: still would be different. And so then the next day

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Speaker 6: I go into a production meeting before the draft and

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Speaker 6: I've got one of my one of the executives the ESPN.

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Speaker 6: You're always causing problems like now we've got now we've

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Speaker 6: got we've got legal contacting me, like do we need

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Speaker 6: to get to take out insurans.

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Speaker 5: I'm like no, stop stop.

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Speaker 6: It was a joke, But my point was there's no

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Speaker 6: way to know definitively because one trade, one team picks

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Speaker 6: something that you don't expect, and it throws everything off.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 6: But I do like the numbers where it's like how

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Speaker 6: many of these position in the first round, or if

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Speaker 6: you're looking at a team and the numbers ridiculous, like

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Speaker 6: even the Bears, I think it was like plus three

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Speaker 6: thirty yesterday for a tight end. I think those two

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Speaker 6: tight ends could go Jets, Bears, Warren Lovelin in that order.

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Speaker 5: I really do. And I think you could get pretty

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Speaker 5: good money on that.

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Speaker 2: All right, before we let you get out of here, Simon,

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Speaker 2: what's the last question?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I gotta get my bias, and as an

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Speaker 4: Eagles fan locally, I'm hearing from guys I respect that

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Speaker 4: Eagles are basically dead set on a tight end and

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Speaker 4: the fact of Dallas got her, you know, last year

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Speaker 4: of his deal.

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Speaker 3: He's above the age of thirty. Guy has hard tough

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Speaker 3: time stay in the field.

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Speaker 4: Is it a guarantee that they trade down and take

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Speaker 4: one or trade up again these tight ends? Do you

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Speaker 4: think that this is a deep enough class that.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't touch that market?

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Speaker 4: Just you don't know what how he was going to

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Speaker 4: do at that end of the pick, So it's not

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Speaker 4: worth betting on them taking a tight end there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I said Mason Taylor to them a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 6: and it's just kind of like a keep an eye

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Speaker 6: on this, and I feel like that's starting to grow,

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Speaker 6: that that concept, and I do think it's something.

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Speaker 5: How we would do.

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Speaker 6: I don't see him moving up for Mason Taylor. If

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Speaker 6: one of these defensive linemen start to fall, and I

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Speaker 6: mean you've got seven.

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Speaker 5: Guys at the edge position.

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Speaker 6: If one of them starts to fall, you've got like

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Speaker 6: five guys at the interior defensive line. I could see

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Speaker 6: maybe up two three spots something like that. I think

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Speaker 6: he's more likely to move back out of that spot

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Speaker 6: if he's looking at it, he's like, wait, there's there's

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Speaker 6: still a quarterback or two. I've got the I've got

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Speaker 6: the Browns, the Giants sitting there. There's there's two interior

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Speaker 6: defensive linemen and Mason Taylor. I can probably move back three, four,

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Speaker 6: five spots and still get that same player and pick

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Speaker 6: up a third round or what a third fourth rounder.

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Speaker 6: So I can envision that I do like Mason Taylor there.

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Speaker 6: It makes a lot of sense. It's a highw wee guy.

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Speaker 6: But they also you know, you got Malachi Starks and

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Speaker 6: nick Emon Worrie. Safety is a position they could address

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Speaker 6: interior and the addresser we know, no, even if they

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Speaker 6: don't have a need, they could go there.

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Speaker 5: And this class is loaded.

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Speaker 6: So once again, even if you just stay home at

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Speaker 6: thirty two, which how he's pretty.

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Speaker 5: Incapable of doing if anyone who knows him.

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Speaker 6: But if they stay home at that spot, someone's going

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Speaker 6: to fall to them there, and so that'll.

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Speaker 5: Be interesting to say.

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Speaker 2: All right, Tom mcshaye.

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Speaker 1: If there were a Hall of Fame for NFL Draft analysts,

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Speaker 1: Tom McShay would be in the inaugural class.

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