WEBVTT - Ep. 417: Snarge 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is a me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.480 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. Listening to us, 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:23.360 you can't predict anything presented by First Light creating proven 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.880 versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:35.360 For every hunt, First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, Phil 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.520 Turn the Machinity. I got a I got a medical 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.360 hot tip that I want to share. Go Ahead is 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.360 already on its on. So years ago I had a 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:46.960 very convoluted health problem that had like a lot of 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.720 steps to it. Reboard like will this happened? And I 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:55.960 ate that you know? And then this happened? And I 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.560 got sick of telling when you go to the doctor, 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.040 how everybody wants you to tell happened, And then they 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.600 don't talk, and then another person comes in and you 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.640 got to tell the story again. The other day I 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:09.400 had to take my kids down. It was a very 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:14.400 convoluted story about who had strap win and what happened 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.640 to them, okay, and then what happened after that, and 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.720 then what happened after that. So the first person that 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.040 comes into the like and I knew they weren't the person. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:27.400 They're the person that weighs your kid and she said, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:29.720 so tell me what's going on? And I said, it's 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:36.400 a long, complicated story. Can I just tell the next person? Yeah? 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.760 So my whole life, I've been doing that, not knowing 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:45.040 that you could just skip the part. You know what 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:49.840 I'm saying. It's like, yeah, it's like being like hitting 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:57.440 zero with a person manager yas, I'm like, there's no 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.400 point in me telling you all this because I get 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.720 someone else is gonna come in the door and they're 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.040 not gonna know. Yeah, that's smart, and you're not gonna 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:06.920 do anything about it. Why do I have to tell you? 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.440 You don't the person way and your kid just has 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.320 a fetish for the stories red It's like, doesn't go 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.239 beyond that, Like, oh I heard a good one today, 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.480 a twenty two pounder. Can I tell a funny doctor 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.960 visit story? Please? It's from our buddy Jake. Did he 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.440 tell you this already? Nobody know he's got the He's 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.799 got the West Nile, West Nile. Yeah, he's on he's 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.440 on the man. Now. I think he's back. He's back hunting. 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.799 But as they were trying, where did he Mississippi? When 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.200 you told me that, I feared he had to be 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.440 somewhere because it's like the wintertime here. Okay, Yeah, So 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.160 he's going through the process trying to figure that out, 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.840 probably retelling his story over and over. Oh yeah. Finally 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:56.080 gets to the infectious disease doctor and uh. He sends 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.680 me a text says, the infectious disease doctor just asked 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.959 me if I had if I've had contact with any 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.799 wild animals over the past thirty days. I listed Bobcat's, 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.840 mountain lions, elk, wild pigs, coyotes, ducks, and deer. Her response, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:16.800 you're weird. Had a very similar conversation with the Montana 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:22.280 State Game Harvest Survey the volunteer lady who called me yesterday. Yeah, 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.400 She's like, upland birds and I was like, well, yeah, 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.560 but like you want to be more specific because she's like, 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.200 well what region. I'm like all of them, you know, 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.120 and it's like, well, how many an eat? And then 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:38.840 she's like, well, what do you do with this? We 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:44.520 had an equally long conversation about cooking various birds, what 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.520 I do with them, and at the end she's like, well, 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:53.560 thank you so much. This has been great, awesome because 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.160 most people are like, didn't make it out, She's like, hey, 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.400 can I just piggyback on that. I got a lovely 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.960 call from our local fishing game office the other day 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:09.480 doing like a postseason survey, and we had a lovely 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.920 conversation and he was like so thankful for taking time 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.320 to answer his questions. And I asked him, like if 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.440 that was rare and apparently a lot of people are 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:25.320 really mean and hang up right in their faces, and yeah, 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.880 so if you're no, he wasn't hitting on me. But 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.719 if your local fishing game calls to add you know, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:38.680 it's not like they're trying to find out uh right, 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.720 like like secrety stuff that you've done right exactly, Like 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:47.400 it's not like they're not like if you didn't poach creature, 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.479 like you've got nothing to hide, Like that individual's not 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.920 trying to find out your hunting spot. Like they are 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.360 just taking dad and information and collating that and passing 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:03.080 that along to you know, volunteers. To keep in mind too, 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:07.800 that when you buy a license, you agree legally that 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.560 you would escort someone to the kill site. If asked, 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.400 I didn't, like, you don't use surrender your right to 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:19.240 have it be a secret. We so, uh the um lady. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.680 I was speaking too. She's like, well, you drew this 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:26.280 antelope tag in this region. I'm like yep. She's like, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.360 were you successful? I said yep, So how many days? 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.200 I said? I was probably out there six days. It's like, okay, 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.320 and what region did you harvest the animal in? Oh? 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.120 She was trying to catch. It's like the one on 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.440 the tag. They are just playing a sting Join a 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:49.200 Day by Megan Baker born in Michigan. Yeah, so's Megan Denin. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:54.200 I just got married. I just got married. To name 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.479 your email, still, says Megan Baker. I know, I know. 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.560 Did you did you debate I'm changing this right here? 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.200 Did you debate maybe not taking his name? You know? 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.200 I didn't think it would be that hard until now 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.000 that I switched it, and I went from a really 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:13.320 basic English name that nobody mispronounces to something that everybody mispronounces. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.880 So it's definitely been a learning curve. How's it spelled? 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:22.880 D E N E A n oh? Yeah? Yeah. Did 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.479 he you think if you'd have said that you weren't 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:26.919 going to change it? What he'd have called off the 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.880 whole wedding? No, because at first I was like, I 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.120 just I don't really don't know if I want to 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.240 change it. And he's like, is this some weird feminist thing. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:34.880 It's like, no, it just seems like a pain in 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.120 the butt. Yeah, man, I've told it. Like, that's what 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.400 my wife did to me. Is she she said the 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.360 weird feminist thing? No, no, no, no, she laid out 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.640 the pain thing. She said, well, I'm gonna change it 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.560 when my passport expires because I got to renew it anyway, 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.640 and I'll just change my name then. So I was like, oh, okay, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.640 so in eight years when my passport expires then well 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.279 and then that happened and still has changing name. Yeah, 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.800 I should have take in her advice. So now, like 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:08.520 I'll say, um, I'll say the Ronnell's are coming in 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:16.400 Katie too, because yeah, because there's no use dropping that. 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.040 That's great. No, keep that one right in my back pocket. 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.720 And I don't think it stings at all. You are, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.000 uh you're the first airport biologist we've ever had on 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:30.600 the show. Yeah. Yeah, um. So as an airport biologist, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:35.640 my job is to reduce damaging wildlife strikes with aircraft. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:41.800 That's pretty much all of it. Keep planes from hitting critters. Yes, 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.480 we had a trivia question one day. God, I can't 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.040 remember the answer and I can't remember if I got 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.440 it right. I don't think I got it right. I 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:54.560 think it was like, what is the most common Yeah, animal, No, 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.520 he didn't say bird, he said animal. What's the most 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:02.960 common animal that a that an airplane runs into? Yeah? 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:04.440 I think it was a morning dove. I think I 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:05.920 got that right now. I think I put down like 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:10.320 crows or Canada geese or something like that. It's morning doves. Yeah, 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.840 they're Yeah, they're just everywhere. I think they're just across 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.080 North America, So they're just pretty common. Do you do 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.280 a lot of that? Um, we're gonna dig way into 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.080 your we gotta do some other stuff first, but we're 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:21.920 gonna dig a way into your occupation. But do you 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.320 do um, what do you call it? Like? Do you 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.800 do any lethal control? That's kind of last resort, but 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.880 it does happen? Does that happen? And then real quick, 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:33.440 what's the weirdest thing you've ever heard of a plane? 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.439 Has a plane ever hit a turtle? I'm sure that has. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.560 Um the weirdest strikes that we have are there was 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.920 a deer that was struck but at thirty thousand feet. 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.680 So yeah, so that was that was a real stumper. 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:48.959 So we work with the Smithsonian and when they ran 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.120 the DNA analysis on the strike, it was deer and 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.640 they called the pilot and he's like, no, I heard it, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.679 like I know it hit at thirty thousand agl and 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.720 of ground levels a good one. Yeah, And so someone's 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.480 got like, that's what the Chinese are doing with that 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:12.600 balloon deer into plane pads. I can't believe you guys 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.000 went there because my mind is at right now that 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.400 this fall. I'm gonna be Mark will be like where 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.559 you sitting, I'll be like, I'm on the oak flat 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:26.040 about twenty two agl on the ground. You can be 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.839 like I saw it from six foot two. Yeah. It 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.000 happened around Christmas time and so everyone kind of joked that, 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.160 you know, Santa Claus was just doing his last rounds. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.439 So then they took some more of the strike. Um, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:49.160 we call it snarge. So snargees that's no, it's all now, 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.439 and I think I'm looking at it. Yeah, no, I 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.120 don't believe two things you told me. So snarge is 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.200 the remains of a bird on an aircraft. So that 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.959 would be blood, tissue, and feathers, and so when they 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.200 collect the snarge off the aircraft. So imagine when you 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.800 were driving and you hit a bog against splats on 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.720 your windshield. When that's a bird on an airplane, that 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.040 is snarche. You want a little history on that. Sure, 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:17.560 In nineteen sixty, Lockheed L one eight eight electric airplane 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:24.080 nose dived into Boston Harbor, killing sixty two people. As 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.440 investigators sorted through the rubble, they kept finding globs of 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.000 what appeared to be black feathers. Such material came to 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:35.600 be known snarge. There I go, you know, we all 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.840 do a far amount of flying, and I'm definitely gonna 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:43.440 be talking to my seat made about that. Hey wings 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.600 a little dirty out there. I think that's snarge. But yeah, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.880 to conclude that story, though they did find it, they 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.839 did more DNA analysis, took some other samples and found 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.400 out it was a vulture. So most likely a vulture 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.800 had been eating maybe on a deer carcass. And so 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.320 then when it splatted, they actually hit pick up the 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.640 DNA from the stomach. But could that thing be that high? 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.520 How high? Thirty thousand? Yeah, So when birds migrate, they 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.079 migrate really high, and a lot of people don't realize that. Um. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.560 So when you're migrating from North America, South America, Europe 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.400 to Africa. Um, they're not flying you know where we 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.200 can see them. They're flying as high as they can, 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.440 just like how we when we fly, you know, cross 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.320 continents and stuff, we try to fly as high as 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.319 we can to shorten the distance and looking for the 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:30.000 gray air currents. Ruple's Vulture is the bird that claims 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.960 the highest air strike ever recorded at thirty seven thousand, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:38.200 one h a gl Well, no, because no, she's only 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.640 she's down to one line now because the other two 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:45.640 lives weren't lies. She was off by how many feet? Well, 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:54.280 that was just different, right right? That is wild man. Yeah. 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.280 They also have fish strikes too, So a lot of 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.000 times like your offsprey, bald eagle, stuff like that. Either 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.000 they'll get you know, get struck and same thing, the 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:03.800 DNA will be picked up by the fish, or they'll 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.760 just drop a fish because they're scared of the aircraft 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.560 and splat a fish on your wind shield. Man, does 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:14.679 every strike get a DNA test? Um? So, basically, when 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.360 when your aircraft lands, maintenance crews are checking out the aircraft. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.679 If they see us like a snarge, they do collect it. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:27.320 We work so snarge is uh, it can't be singular 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:37.760 like there can be a snarge. Yeah, because my favorite 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:42.439 smear of SNAr. Yeah. So when we when we collect 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.319 all that information, we have a partnership with Smithonia Feather 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.840 Lab and when we send in all this material, they 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.839 can use their archives of all the carcasses and stuff 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.360 they have, so they'll do feather ID so they can 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.160 actually compare if there's like a feather, compare with the 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.800 feather that's in the archive. Then they can do DNA 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.960 analysis and then they also do microscopic analysis as well. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.920 It might hear. We got to cover a couple of things. 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.800 But my next question when we come back, it's gonna 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.240 be this. I'm not trying to be I'm not trying 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.200 to be like a like a smart ass, but after 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.360 a strike has occurred, it brings up the question of 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:23.319 I don't want to say who cares? But you know 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.760 what I mean, why Like if a strike occurs, why 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:32.520 is it important to know what? Yeah, So as an 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.720 airport biologist, that information is really crucial for us because 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.000 it'll tell us what do we need to manage. For so, 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.840 if we're hitting a lot of water fowl, then we 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.120 know that. We look at the habitat and we'll go, oh, 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.520 there's a lot. Maybe there's a lot of water on 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.480 an airfield or near the airfield, and can we manage that? 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.880 Can we change that habitat or modify it to keep 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.839 these waterfowl out? So we knowing what we hit is 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.760 going to help us manage the air feel better. Like 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.400 you see a spike in some type of strike and 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:58.960 you gotta be okay, what are these what are these 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:04.400 doing hanging out here? So bad? Uh, you're not going anywhere? 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.280 Can you can you alter your flight paths though, like 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.320 like can that be a solution versus like altering a 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.280 wetland like certain times a year? Right, you have different 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.680 migratory species moving in, they fly at certain altitudes or 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.960 certain times of the day typically, and you can suggest 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:26.840 that the seven thirty sevens go yeah, so that fun 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.680 word AGL A can so um seventy percent of our 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.040 birth strikes will hop in below seven hundred AGL and 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.360 so that is within that air fills your takeoff and 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.960 landing areas. So it's really hard to say, okay, well 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.600 just don't take off this direction because that's that's just 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.960 where the runway is. You can't really change the direction. Um. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:45.640 So yeah, when you get a little farther out, we 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:47.920 can say, you know, we'll let Tower know. Um, and 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:49.560 the pilots will talk to each other too, like, hey, 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.160 I see a group of docks over here, there's a 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.040 flower gastline. Yeah. Yeah, they'll talk to each other and um, 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:55.840 sometimes I'll even let them. Now, I'll call Tower and 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.160 be like, hey, you know, I'm five miles out, I 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.360 see a you know, flock a geese fly and over 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:04.120 and they'll roll out their pilots. Now, no, kid, all right, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.640 hang tight, you're gonna tell us a moose story later. Yes, 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.240 we were talking about the other day. I was saying, 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.480 I was reading a book these my you know, we're 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.720 gonna start a book club. Spencer's working on it all right. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:18.800 People have been asking for that for a long start. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.920 A monthly book club. Cool, and I think we're gonna 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.680 we're gonna do the book club. Will drop the book 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.920 club on this feed. Can we call it Oprah's book Club? 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:34.760 But better so, tell me how it's gonna work. Well, 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.360 we're working out the details. I think if you become 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.440 like a book club member, will probably just mail you 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.480 the books. But I guess how does it become part 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.360 of the podcast feed? Well, because then everybody reads the book. 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.200 I've never been in the book club my whole life. Oh, 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.440 so everybody, all of us would just come back in 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.800 after we read said book, discussed what we would say 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:01.080 this for this week's book, we're gonna do um, maybe 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:08.480 I would maybe we'd make it both. Uh, the memoir 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:13.560 of Um Human Row Human Row who lived with the 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:20.560 Blackfeet starting around eighteen ten. And then then there's a 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.000 so his book was called a Rising Woolf or something 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.480 like that. Then there's another book called My Life as 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.400 an Indian, which is Charles Willard Shoals who live with 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.240 the Blackfeet, kind of like right after he did. And 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.520 then these books are collected together. So it's just this 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:39.760 portrait of these it's this like basically amateur ethnography by 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.920 two individuals who lived in hunted with the Blackfeet. We 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.720 would read that, everybody would read it. So you're at home, 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.480 you're in the book, you're in the book circle. You 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.360 read the book, and then after some amount of time, 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.480 we have a discussion. We have a one hour discussion 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.040 of the book where you'd be like, oh, I like 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:01.320 that part. Where right? And that's the book club and 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.680 then we have like little titillating facts about the book 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.040 that you might not know. We can maybe even have 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.800 some authors join us. We talked about that would be 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.040 great that the book club would end with, well, these 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:18.040 people I just mentioned are dead, but yes, that would 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.760 be the ideal situations you do living authors, Like let's 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.119 say we did coming into the country and we somehow 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.040 manage you get John McPhee to come in. Oh, but 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.240 I'd read that one. Um again, I think he might 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.119 be like way up there, maybe not alive. There used 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:32.680 to be a radio station did a show called dead 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.800 or Alive. I think he's I think they name a 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.640 name and then you have to guess whether they're dead 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:43.600 or alive. He's dead. I think he's alive. He should be. Yeah, 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:45.639 he made a different one. I mean, I don't. I 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.320 don't mean mean macab content for the eventual podcast we 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:57.240 should cut. So yeah, point being, point being. I My 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:02.840 new favorite book is This is Human Rose Story as 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:09.080 told to the Shul's character In it, he names the 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:16.280 he names the blackfeet word for moose, as he understood 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.360 it to be six sis, I'm not pronouncing it right. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.320 When he later learned the language, and he learned it 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.239 very well. Their word for moose was they didn't have 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:30.880 many of them. They're out on the plane, so they're 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.520 east of the Rockies. Their word for moose was black 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.119 going out of sight. And I mentioned this on the 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.480 podcast a couple of episodes ago, and I said, I 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.439 wonder if our word means anything like our word, Like, 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.720 what does our word for moose mean? A guy brought 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:51.800 it in and he says, our word for moose is 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:59.240 derived from the Eastern Abanaki word mos. However that's pronounced 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:04.320 or there's an eric Gansit word that's m o s 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:09.960 or m o o s u variously translated. It's a 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.959 long bill up, isn't it? Phil? Phil? He he's messing 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.080 with the knobs and stuff. He's so lost. That's his job. Bro, 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:21.560 Guess what moose means when you say moose, Hey, I 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.520 saw a moose. Guess what you're saying. I saw a 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:32.720 twig eater. I saw he who strips off leaves and bark. Well, 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.680 I mean the word moose exists in German, right, like 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:42.560 moose's elk like deer. So yeah, so I find it 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.040 very interesting that we're like, oh, it had to come 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:50.120 from the Native Americans und around. I find it very 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.800 maybe wrong. You sure about that? Yeah? Yeah, damn it. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:20:00.520 Did you check into that? Grin Nope? I well, Phil, 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.600 I want you to research it, and if it makes 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.640 me look bad, cut it out. I got up. I 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.760 want to believe that in these Blackfoot camps with these dudes, 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.680 that the entire time that they were present, the black 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.520 Feet were like Noah, remember like guy's media, so be 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.600 careful what you say around them. Yeah, it is. It's 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.720 like I was trying to explain to someone. Well, I 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:27.680 was talking to Clay Nucombe about reading. Right, you get 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:32.080 into so you're reading journals of Euro Americans who spent 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:38.680 time with tribes. Invariably they were not understanding, they were misunderstanding. 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:43.760 People were not telling them things, sometimes just messing with them. Yeah, 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.879 having fun with them, not telling them things that they 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:51.040 didn't want them to know. Whatever. Like you're with someone, 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:56.320 you're very suspicious of them, you're suspicious of other motives. Right. However, 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.440 each of these chronicles, each of these individuals that spent 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:08.280 time with Indigenous Americans and like a precor in early 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.200 contact times. Every one of them had biases, no doubt 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:16.800 every one of them was getting some sort of incomplete picture. However, 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:22.959 taken as a whole, it still is a window into 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:27.560 It's like a snapshot of a culture in a life, right, 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:34.399 Like you know that it's not all wrong, right, absolutely, 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:36.440 But I'm a sucker for those books. But I always 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:41.200 read those books with some level of skepticism, being when 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:45.840 someone you have someone over for dinner and you portray 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.159 to them how shit goes in your family and everything, 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.199 and then they walk on and be like, here's how 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:56.400 shit is in that household. Right, they make a big meal, 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.280 they put out cheese and crackers every time. Yeah, And 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.119 you're like, no, we actually never done that. I was 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:04.840 doing time. I've ever done that, you know, because you 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.240 were coming over. Yeah I heard you like cheese crackers. 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:11.320 I don't know, I hate that ship whatever. So but anyways, 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.080 they're great books. Oh it gets way more complicated too, 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.640 because like think of like the true things that had 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:21.639 to have seemed so like fancifully drawn up, like the 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.800 number of bison on the plane, right, like people coming 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:26.760 back and saying like, yeah, this is how it is 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:33.280 people had to have a real level of skepticism. I'm 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.480 still a defender of the books. If they're super cool. 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:40.400 I haven't your stomping grounds, dude. Every place he talks 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:42.080 about in those books, you'd be like, Oh, I've been there, 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.160 I've been there, I've been there. I'm man, I'll read them. 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.919 Sign me up for the book club. They get to 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:52.280 a creek and they get to drainage and I found 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:54.800 the drainage. I'm a map. We don't call it what 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:56.640 they called it. They get to a drainage that flows 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.199 into the Missouri and they said that that creek is 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:04.360 called it crushed to them because some people were gathering 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.000 clay blow a high cut bank and the cut bank 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.480 collapsed and killed them. And that cup, that creek's name 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:14.760 is it crushed them. That's cool. Yeah, Yeah, It's not 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:19.359 like Dickens Creek. The old man Dickins got crushed by 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:24.040 some he lived there. Yeah. Uh man. A lot of 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:29.040 feedback on cadavers people. When we had Jonathan Reisman, doctor 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:33.720 Jonathan Risman on the lung King, which is a little 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.640 inside joke about the liver King. Knows the outside joke 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.840 about the liver King. He had a lot to say 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.719 about cadavers, and my goodness, makes you seem like everybody 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:48.120 that listens has cadaver experience. Yeah, and these emails especially 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:53.479 are wild, this person was saying. Someone wrote in in 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:55.720 regards to a recent show where the Meat Eater crew 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.160 was surprised about mobile labs on our roads carrying bodies. 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:05.800 I worked a certain government agency's forensic laboratory. I was 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.639 surprised to find out that we would receive human body 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:14.480 parts via ups and FedEx. He worked with a woman 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:18.440 that was in charge of examining human heads involved in homicide, 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.440 and she would put the heads in a crock pot 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:26.560 to get the skin and muscle off, to check the 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:33.919 skulls for injuries. She went into you better mark that 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:38.280 crock pot. She went into Walmart. Listen, are you ready 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.920 for this? She went into Walmart and put her head 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.720 into various crock pots to find the one that was 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:51.960 going to work best for her application. Think about that. 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.119 It's a very normal sight at Walmart. I don't think 0:24:54.160 --> 0:25:00.520 anyone a coworker taking like profile pictures. Make sure your 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:04.720 chins in there. We used to joke about going to 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.679 like a Walmart buying like everything you'd ever need if 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:13.280 you just murdered somebody like latex gloves, plastic sheeting, duct 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.680 tape like whatever, like, yeah, what point with some of 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:19.320 goal at a minute? All I am out here? What's 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:21.520 going on? Yeah? And then the last thing is a 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.359 crock pot that you've been going like to see if 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.600 it fits your head or not. I like how Nicholas 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.639 puts in there a second to last sentences. I'm not 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.880 sure you wanted this information, but there it is, Nicholas, 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:37.400 You don't know. Steve very well keep sending that stuff in. 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.320 Here's another really interesting one about the cadaver business. I 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:47.960 was asking doctor Reisman if he because he spent a 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:49.960 lot of time with his cadaver in medical school, and 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:53.199 I said, what did you wind up knowing about the person? Now? 0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.240 When I had cadaver bone in my jaw, I asked 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.000 if what I could find out about whose bone it was? 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:02.080 And they said, they can tell you whose bone it is. 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:03.760 So I was spitting out a little hunks with some 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:08.480 guy for two weeks, no idea who he was. He's 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:14.120 all over this studio. I mean, I say, right here, 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.119 as the little bone hunks would come up out of 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:22.880 that hole. My job. He says this, this is very interesting. 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:28.879 University of Oklahoma. You were given so this is a 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:33.040 medical school anatomy Okay. You were given a seat assignment 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.439 in the lecture hall and what appeared to be a 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:39.080 random name on a sticker. About six to eight other 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:43.320 classmates had the same sticker with the same name. We 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.680 soon found out the name on the sticker was the 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.800 person we would be dissecting in anatomy lab in a 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:53.719 few weeks, one hundred and sixty students, twenty different names 0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:58.639 on the stickers. Later that week, we were all bust 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.960 to a ballroom you'll state this cow at the Cowboy 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:06.520 Hall of Fame to sit with the family of the 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.960 person whose name was on your sticker. This was called 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.679 the donor Lunch and was a way to show the 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:16.840 person you were dissecting was really a person. I sat 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:19.520 with the son and daughter in law of my cadaver. 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.880 There were pictures of her on the table, and they 0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.760 brought photo albums to show us her through the years. 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:30.200 They discussed injury she had sustained through her life, which 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:34.000 we correlated with later in anatomy lab. Broken leg here 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:39.200 scar their new hip. Here. The only rules we could 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:44.080 not contact the families later with any information about what 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:48.360 we found in the lab. All the remains were cremated 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:54.480 and scattered on school grounds. Unreal, Yeah, right, unreal that 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:58.040 I mean, yeah, it'd be an interesting lunch to sit 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.600 down too. Obviously, if you sit there as yourself, why 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:04.240 you listen to this show? That's why right there? Think 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.880 you're getting that on Maury Povich. No, not not even 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:12.040 this American Life good stuff, man, No, that causes you 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:17.479 to think a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I would have 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.560 gone a little bit deeper and said exactly why you know, 0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:23.320 I mean, obviously he says, just so you know that 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:30.760 it's jokes man, It's referenced everywhere. But like the yeah, 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:34.120 just gave it, just didn't say anything, but he expressed 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:39.720 facially he doesn't think that that's why there might be 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:44.680 one little bitty reason why the you know, the origins 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:53.960 like the medical educational system, right, like body theft, stealing 0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.120 bodies in order to be able to research because there 0:28:56.160 --> 0:29:00.680 are so many taboos around, like dissecting a human. It's 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:05.320 amazing to think that that existed within the same profession 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.440 that now you can sit down with a family of 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:17.640 people that donate anybody. H that's wild, real weird. Um, 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:19.880 I was gonna say something that I should say. Here's 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:24.640 another one. I'm I was gonna talk about like a thing. 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:28.520 I just realized about a good grave Robin strategy that 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:30.160 I learned reading a book that I was just reading. 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:32.880 But you shouldn't be doing that. No, but it does 0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:36.760 does make us wonder if our guest Megan used to 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:44.040 be Baker Denne will ever get some snarge off of 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.280 vulture that had dined on a human, so to be 0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:53.640 a human strike at thirty sound agl um. I think 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.120 if that happens, it's usually because the person who collected 0:29:56.160 --> 0:30:10.760 the stars didn't use gloves. Yeah, I am. Here's the 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:15.760 more on this same subject. Not me. When I say 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:19.880 I am, I'm the listener. This is the listener talking. 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:24.240 I am a student working on my Doctor of Chiropractic degree. 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:26.960 Is that an actual can you get it? Is that 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:33.800 an actual doctor? Either way, it doesn't matter. I trust 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.160 the person who's in the program and studying and writing 0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:40.400 into this lovely show. Yeah, he opercased d as such. 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:44.600 I have dissected close to half a dozen human cadavers 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:50.040 from head to toe in the last year. In my experience, 0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.080 the vast majority of cadavers are just as doctor Reissman 0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:57.200 was saying, out of shape and full of large fat deposits. 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:05.600 That being said, oh, does this get any better? Yes? Oh, 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:10.440 I mean said he encourages everybody to donate your body. Remember, 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.800 like Spencer was like, I'm sure that the only people 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:16.920 who donate their bodies are are yeah, young in vain 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.840 and want their eight pack to be shown off when 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:25.400 they're dead. Ye there Yeah, where He's like, I'm so 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:31.120 good looking. I hope they dissect my body and find 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:35.280 out just how good looking I am. That was Spencer's thought. This, 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:39.040 this art, this letter does get great. For someone who's 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.760 fascinated by the inner workings of the human machine, as 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:47.280 I am, human cadavers are a gift. No, here's where 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.960 it gets good. The unsettling part for me, I say 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:55.400 this at risk of sounding like a psychopath, is the 0:31:55.480 --> 0:32:00.800 hunger that comes along with dissecting. Ah, as well as 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:05.720 many of my classmates, have all experienced the same phenomenon. 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:10.520 After about a half hour of dissecting skeletal muscle, one 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:16.000 tends to get hit with a severe hunger. At first, 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:19.160 I thought and hoped that it was a chemical reaction 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.800 with the formal behind and other preservatives that causes this 0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:27.120 to happen. But after asking several of my professors and 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:31.880 the lab managers themselves, I have learned that it is 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:38.360 an instinctual response to seeing meat. Yeah, next time you're 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:41.280 at the old Cairo fractor. I'm not saying who this 0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:42.840 guy is. I just wanted you know, he might be 0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:50.320 sitting there being like loins. That is interesting. Eventually, it's 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:53.880 when he's back there. Yeah, But have you ever felt 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:58.360 this phenomenon when you're skidding and breaking down an elk? 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:02.640 And absolutely? Oh yeah, yeah, I like some things like 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.800 dear mule deer elk, stuff like that. I'm like, I 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:09.520 find it's like when I'm cutting it up, it's very appetizing. 0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.480 But I don't find myself like insatiately hungry, a severe hunger. 0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.400 Yeah no, no, I don't find myself insatiably hungry. Thirty 0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.480 minutes later. He might be a psychic because I feel 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:23.520 like we've got it a lot of stuff together, butchered 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.920 a lot of stuff in the field together. Cal you too, 0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.360 I can't remember any time we're like thirty minutes in 0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:31.320 either of you are like my god, am I hungry. 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.520 All of a sudden, I had no, yeah, because I 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.040 think we got stuff to do, right, like clocks ticking. 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:45.400 Typically he's describing maybe it's I think it's like psychopath 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:49.600 the federal be I may want to pay attention to 0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.400 this one. You know, when I'm collecting snarge, I instantly 0:33:52.400 --> 0:34:04.160 have a craving for chicken wings. No you don't, Okay, Well, 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:09.759 there's one more about this. Oh, this is something that 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:14.840 caldies know about. Just in case this is a strange behavior. 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:19.120 This has nothing to do with cadavers. This guy's an 0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:23.880 electrical lineman for a local public power district. They install 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:27.799 and repair electrical poles and utility structures. His crew will 0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:32.360 often work in areas far from restrooms, and especially after storms. 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:34.600 It isn't uncommon for him to work twenty four hours 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.040 straight to repair damage to electrical poles. Because it is 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:39.920 They often pack several meals worth of food and the 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:43.640 haul around drinking water those large orange igloo drink coolers. 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:50.120 They also will haul a green drink cooler for the 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:55.040 purpose of housing their number two, since they are often 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.600 far from a restroom but still too close to houses 0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:01.120 to do their business. When they're done with the cooler, 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.839 they toss it into the trash. This is a note 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:08.359 for cow it's a little wasteful. It is right when 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.799 Cal's doing all of his dumpster diving, guys staying watch 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:17.359 out for the green coolers. That's good info than it is. 0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.640 They should find something else wanted. It's going to contractor bag. 0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.319 But I was just gonna say that is pretty trying 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.239 to keep it. We already covered the whole thing. He 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:29.319 could they sell those fancy five gallon buckets that you 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.120 could just take a bag out of, And why they 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.520 wanted to keep it warm. Well, I think it's right. 0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:37.759 It's you're not gonna have a ruptured bag as you're 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.920 jostling around stuff in the track to be an insulated 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:44.720 container you're trying to keep No, I think you're gonna 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:48.759 trap in the smell. But you're also not gonna have 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:53.759 liquids escaping, you know, because it's a fortified vessel. Cal 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:57.600 sympathizes with him. Well, I understand, for sure, but I'd 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:02.040 rather I'd be more for Lynne just doing being able 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.279 to have carte blanche to do their deed on the 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.399 side of the road. Yeah, dig a little cat hole 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:10.640 or whatever exactly. Yep uh. Speaking of cat holes, see 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:14.239 that good one. Good one. This is another one that 0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:18.960 the cow will appreciate. Some women. This is a strange story. 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:23.920 Two women in Alabama got in all kinds. They got decurdy, 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.919 then they actually got roughed up by the police, which 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.640 I don't know if this is true or not. This 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.520 is the kind of thing Crine should have called them 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.960 and talked to them. Well, their lawyers put out statements 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.480 and there's some video footage out there showing them get 0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:41.440 roughed up. I mean roughed up is the bruises. That's 0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:46.440 all kind of like up to interpretation. They were feeding 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:52.680 cats in their neighborhood and what Tumpka What Tumpka Alabama, 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:58.400 and the guy points out and the regional Native American 0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:05.480 language rumbling Water Alabama. They've been feeding lots of house cats, 0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:12.200 which is illegal, feeding stray house cats, but they would 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.480 feed them to lure them in and catch them and 0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:21.040 then fix them. M So it's like letter the law 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:25.080 of spirit of the law not supposed to feed stray cats, 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:31.440 but they're catching them and fixing them. They've been warned 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.440 and warned, and they felt that they had the moral 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:40.080 high ground and then they got coughed and stuffed. I 0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.399 think five year old and a sixty one year old 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:47.640 should point out that we don't want our a bunch 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.239 of people writing in and being like, oh, it's not 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.640 illegal to feed straight cat. This is probably like a 0:37:51.760 --> 0:38:00.480 municipal or county ordinance that they're violating. Yeah, people over 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.360 sixty years of age, Like, you're you're not gonna fix 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:07.560 those people either. They're gonna do whatever they want. Um, 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:10.840 but it is never a good idea to feed a 0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:14.919 bunch of stray cats. What if you're fixing them trying 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:21.160 to solve the stray cat the Uh, the kiddies aren't 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:31.160 having sex with birds to death, they're eating them. So yeah, 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.520 I'm with you. He can be, he can be as 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:35.640 fixed as you want. We're still gonna go kill like 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:39.000 three birds a day. Yeah, I was talking about we 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:40.880 were talking recently about a Bob Kat getting hit by 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:46.759 a train. This is the last thing, Megan, Bobcat getting 0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.160 hit by a train, and I was talking about how 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:55.240 why you know, how does that happen? Um? And a 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:59.960 guy from the railroad. Uh, he calls himself a train 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:05.080 track station biologist. No, no, no, that that was my 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:11.600 little topic yeah, oh no, just like as a transition 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:16.760 into talking about good transition. Here's what they find happens. 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.920 Stuff gets between the tracks, between the rails, and for 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:25.920 whatever reason, it's impulse when the train comes, it's impulses 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.319 to like the Bob bobcat for instance, its impulse will 0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:33.160 be to turn from the train, not jump the rails, 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:40.920 but just go down. He's like he's like consciously staying 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.440 within the line. Yeah, like like he's he's They they 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:48.480 they feel corralled by the corralled by the rails, and 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:55.440 so they just take off, Yeah, something like it. Yeah, 0:39:55.480 --> 0:40:01.600 that's wild, um, the earl he says this about them. 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.640 They then tend to stretch out and try to jump 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.799 the rail once the locomotives are on top of them, 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:14.719 so they'll get overtaken and they try to bail out 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.319 from under the thing. They're only saving gray seems to 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:22.480 be if they come upon a grade crossing at that point, 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:25.560 they will veer off to the side. He said, I've 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:30.840 seen this in everything from raccoons to cattle. Oh, it's sad. 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:35.200 Possums get up on the rail and run down the rail. 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:42.440 That's terrible, man, that's sad. I think it's a natural 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:46.960 instinct for animals to follow lines. So when we I've 0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:49.000 trapped like you know, ducks and stuff, and we have 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:51.400 confusion traps where it's like a funnel that they go 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.120 into these traps and then they're gonna hit the edge 0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:56.440 of the cage and it'll funnel around and they'll just 0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:59.400 keep following that line and they'll never actually just like 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.240 the opens wide open, but because they follow that line. 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.880 And the same thing when we're managing moves up in Alaska, 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.239 we can get them up on a fence line and 0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:09.640 they'll follow that line and something about following the lines. 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:14.040 So your trap they could get out like the duck one, 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.319 but there keyboard do yeah, but most of them will 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:20.000 just keep doing this figure eight because they just follow 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:24.480 the line. Really, that makes for inexpensive trapping materials. Right there, 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:29.960 you get a rope. So what was how did you 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:31.680 get into your How did you get into your business 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:33.840 in your line of work? Yeah, so I went to 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:37.719 Michigan Tech University up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. I got 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.480 a degree in wildlife management. Like every other person, I 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:44.080 wanted to work for the state and went to a 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:47.400 conference and somebody was given a talk on wildlife damage 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:49.560 management from Wildlife Services and I was like, oh, that 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:52.640 sounds fascinating. He happened to be the state director out 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:54.480 of Michigan, so I went to his office a few 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.720 weeks later and he said. I was in his office 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.239 and he's like, oh, there was a seasonal position that 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.279 just opened in Alaska. He printed it off and said, 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.280 here you go. And I'm from the cornfields of Michigan. 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.360 I never have left Michigan before at that moment, and 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:10.440 I was like, I'm never moving to Alaska so far 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:12.880 away from home. So you were damned close to ly 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.200 even by the time you go up to Michigan Tech. Yeah, 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.759 because you had that big ass lake you'd had, Yeah, yeah, 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:20.239 exactly cross the ice. Yeah, my parents said, was the 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:22.879 forest I could get away from home with still paying 0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:26.399 state college? Yea, um, so you know, naturally, six months 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:29.200 later I was in Alaska. So after I graduated, I 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.160 ended up doing a seasonal position up in Kotsabue, Alaska 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:35.520 for Wildlife Services. Part of being an airport biologist is 0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.520 a lot of surveys and creating management plans. So my 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:42.239 position was working in Kotzebue, Alaska, and I was up 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.160 there for six months just doing surveys on wildlife and 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:49.960 but related to an airport or not really started right 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.360 out in the airport business. Yeah, I got you. So 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.480 just doing surveys um you just trying to see where 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:59.640 animals are moving, their behaviors, stuff like that, and it 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:01.560 was It's one of the greatest experience of my life. 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:04.400 Just the cultural experience is just getting to live in 0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:07.120 that native village. You know, it's way up it's remote, 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:09.520 like I think the closest row systems like five hundred 0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.960 miles away, and it was a really really great experience. 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:16.479 And then the wildlife up there was really interesting. So 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.839 some of like the weird things that can happen up 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:22.600 there on an airport are like muskox. So you guys 0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.160 might be familiar with the muskox like defense circle. So 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:26.879 imagine you have a group of muskox and they get 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.960 on your airfield and you try to you know, harass 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.759 them off, and they just stop and they create that 0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:36.239 defense circle and they're on your runway and it's like 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:38.480 really difficult to get them off. So then you got 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:41.800 to cancel flights, Yeah, exactly, So it'll definitely delay some stuff. 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.080 I know, my airfields. Like right after I left, they 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.920 actually had a caribou migration go through and it like 0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:51.239 disrupted the airfield because just thousands of cariboos were walking 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.440 across and you can't. They don't fence the airfield there, 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:57.480 some do, so it's just part of that management plan. 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.640 Some airfields, you know, they'll have eight foot because why 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:03.759 I tell dear, can't jump over eight feet? Sometimes they 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:05.680 don't haven't. Could be a funding issue, could just be 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.080 they might not think it's important until you know, they 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:10.239 get a strike with a cariboo or something. They'll learn 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.319 pretty quick. And with those muskox that's gonna be you know, 0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:15.200 you know what we didn't, what we had, we weren't 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.239 talking about. But it just we keep not talking about it. 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.279 And it got so long ago? Was it? They just 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:24.080 Alaska had their first um the first person ever killed 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:28.200 by a musk Ox, right reported first reported person a 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:32.319 trooper was he stay a trooper? Let me pull that 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.920 back up. I actually did not hear about this. This 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.400 is a shocking. Well, someone rolled in. They had just 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.440 they were trying to get some kind of ATF permit 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.239 or something. I think he had just someone rolled in, 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:44.120 Like yeah, man, that guy. I was with the guy 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.560 an hour before. He was doing some kind of filling 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:49.720 out some form or checking my ID for a form. 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:53.080 The guy went home. There was a musk ox harass 0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:57.520 and his dogs. Maybe he had sled dogs and uh 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:03.839 they yep. Officer with officer with Alaska State Troopers killed 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.239 by muskoks while trying to scare away a pack of 0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.880 wild animals outside his house stomped him and gored him 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:13.480 to death. Whoa. He was trying to scare away a 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:15.800 group of muskoks from near a dog kennel at his 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.160 home when one of the animals attacked him. He was 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:25.600 declared dead at the scene. Horrible, isn't that's very rare? 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:29.000 I thought, I remember seeing that it was the first. 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.640 No one, I'm sure it's happened, right, But in terms 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:36.279 of first, but with muskoks on the air, if you 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:38.280 got a bunch of muskaks or a bunch of caribou 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.680 out there, I mean, there's got to be a little 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:49.120 bit of an element of sort of public perception, like 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:50.879 you don't just you can't just run out and start 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.800 shooting at him. Probably no, on top of you wouldn't 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:55.440 want to shoot something like that because they're also a 0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:57.560 large animal, because now you're delaying time trying to get 0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:00.680 that animal off too, so you created more problems. Yeah, exactly, 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:02.440 so you're just trying to harass him off, get him 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:07.880 off there? What Why was that a temporary position? So 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:11.799 that was just temporary so they Wildlife Hazard Management Plan 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:14.120 only has to be renewed every couple of years. So 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:16.360 I was just doing surveys for this plan. So it 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:18.520 was just a written up plan and it's just recommendations. 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:20.160 So we do these surveys and then we'll be able 0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.799 to be like, hey, you know this particular part of 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:24.799 your air fields a hot spot, Maybe you might want 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:28.440 to change something around that area. And then what have 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:32.360 you heard of getting run over by planes up there? Oh? Gosh, 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.520 just about everything. I mean, ay, we're like you're talking 0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:36.840 cotso Beyer just in Alaska in general. Yeah, like like 0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.680 Cotsaby for instance, what's a typical strike up there? It's 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.759 not a morning dove. Um, So you have ptarmigan up there, 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:46.840 and I remember they had ptarmigan issues. Honestly, it was 0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:50.560 pretty low strikes up there, because I mean, there's just 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:52.440 not a whole lot that I know. They had to 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.120 remove a seal off the runway after I had left 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:58.080 as well. Really, yeah, seal on the runway? Was that 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.080 in your management plan? Actually? No, so the like we 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:04.160 flew this person up here, did a whole management plan, 0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:06.440 she leaves in and here's a seal. No mention of 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.240 that in the management plan? Yeah, yeah, I know, I remember. 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:13.440 They're really easy to do though. You just take a 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:15.400 red ball and you bounce it down the runway and 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:20.120 they follow it right off. You know, do you remember? 0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:22.319 I think that the most this has to be the 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.800 most famous bird strike is the Miracle on the Hudson 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:30.399 Captain Sully. Yep, they hit what they had a flock 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:33.520 of candy geese. How many? I don't know the exact 0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:35.279 flock size, but I know it took out some of 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:38.600 their engines and that's why they couldn't couldn't get back 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:42.319 to the airfield and time like a bunch of geese. Yeah, 0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:44.400 it was a flock. Yeah, so imagine that flying v 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.439 going across. That's what I'm curious about because movies make 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:52.200 it seemed like a bird at any time can take 0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:56.680 down a giant plane. How fragile are the planes? Like? 0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.239 What's like a concerning bird strike? What has to have on. 0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.080 I think it's just like any you know, when you 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:05.400 hit something with your car as well, like something that 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:08.080 could just splatter off some things that could actually cause damage, 0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:10.560 depends on how it got hit. But I know, you know, 0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:12.759 with technology and stuff, they're testing more and more on 0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:16.200 how to like, you know, toughen up these aircraft. So 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:18.799 I know a lot of agencies that are, you know, 0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.839 building engines. They use like frozen turkeys and frozen chickens. 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:23.719 They'll toss them into an engine to see how well 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:27.440 they handle the impact. You know, what they ought to do, 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:32.520 You ought to tell them this thought out. I bet 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:35.640 they do, Steve well, then wouldn't be frozen, she said, 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.320 She just said that they buy frozen ones. She just stood, 0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:42.319 buy frozen. I mean you can ask the because if 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:46.680 you throw a rosen turkey there, man, yeah, you might 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:49.640 as well throw a rock in there. Yeah. Yeah, what 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:56.400 about honing the wing tip to a razor's edge, slice 0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:58.959 them so you're just slice them through the sky. Well 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:03.200 that's like if you run into them at that at 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.359 an angle where they're sliceable, you know, yeah, because they 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:10.239 may Yeah, well I would elsewhere. What if it's not 0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:12.160 the way that they're hitting. Well, I don't think the 0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:14.719 geese are going to like t bone a seven thirty seven. 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.799 Well wasn't it? Did you? Did you say to me 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.879 that if there is a strike that occurs, depending upon 0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:26.799 like how far the aircraft is from the runway, uh, 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.319 the plane actually needs to turn back around. A lot 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:32.279 of strikes people don't even like the pilots won't even 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:34.560 realize that happened. Okay, Um, so that's a lot of times. 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:36.440 That's why a lot of times they don't realize that 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.240 happened until they're doing their maintenance checks. I'm like, oh, hey, 0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:41.799 obviously if it goes through an engine, you know, they 0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.160 might feel it. They may smell it. I know, pilots 0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:46.080 say they can smell when a bird gets ingested. Lo'll 0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:49.920 get like a burnt bird smell. Um. So yeah, I 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:55.719 just kind of he'd be hungry, I'll get But like 0:49:55.840 --> 0:50:00.399 you know, like JFK, LaGuardia, places like that, I would 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:04.080 imagine like lots of pigeon strikes, and that's like that's 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.759 a light bird. It's not gonna bring down a plane, right. Yeah. 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:08.719 If there's one thing I learned from my travels is 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:12.120 every airfield they got a runway, they got taxi ways. 0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:14.520 Like there's things that are very standard in an airfield, 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:17.400 but when it comes to managing the wildlife itself, it 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.879 is vastly different. Because you can have cultural things, environmental things, 0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:23.279 the type of wildlife that's there, the regulations on what 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:25.839 you can do to that wildlife is going to change 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:34.480 on every Airfield's really fun. How often do planes hit? Um? Like, 0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:36.719 if a bit, give me just a like, what's a 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:44.080 normal jet? Like a normal jet that's flying nowadays there's 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:47.000 both okay, seven thirty seven's coming down the land and 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:52.279 there's a white tailed deer. Is it just blam deer 0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:53.960 flies out of the way or can that screw the 0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:57.160 plane up? Oh, if it hits a deer, Yeah, that 0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:00.000 would probably cause a lot of damage. That doesn't happen. 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:03.920 It doesn't happen very often. Oh So I looked up 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.200 some numbers and I believe it's about you have a 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:09.160 point zero eight percent chance of hitting a bird, and 0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:11.319 that's just to hit a bird, but to actually cause 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:14.120 damage is going to be like a point zero zero 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.080 three to five percent. So the chances of hitting birds 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.719 are really low. But when they do hit and it 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:23.000 does cause damage it causes on average like two hundred 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:26.160 and eight million dollars a year. Wow, So do you 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:29.279 have any nice states? Do you have a number? So 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:31.319 if the chances are low though, do you have a 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:36.759 number of how many strikes maybe happen on average? Yeah? 0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:40.160 On average is looking through numbers between nineteen ninety to 0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:43.720 like two twenty one, So like it's there are growing 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.680 more because as we fly more, we're gonna be hitting 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:48.840 more birds and stuff like that. But it's on average 0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:51.120 like one hundred and fifty five strikes a week or so, 0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:55.360 but there's also one hundred and seventy five thousand flights 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.480 in a week. Two. Sure. Oh, it may seem like 0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:02.120 you guys doing a good job of de gating bird crashes. 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:06.359 We do our best. What what's the best airport in 0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:08.759 terms of the wildlife habitat? I mean, are they are 0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:12.040 they actually trying to make it not good wildlife habitat? Yeah, 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:14.400 So that's part of the steps of being an airport biologist. 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:16.359 So one of the first things we do is, you know, 0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:19.719 observing wildlife and serving wildlife. We look at the habitat, 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:21.920 so we look at the airfield as a hole in 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:25.120 the surrounding areas and we go, Okay, we're looking for food, water, 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:27.840 and shelter. Which of those three components are on the 0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:31.160 airfield or near the airfield that are attracting wildlife? And 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:33.520 can we change that? Can we modify them? Can we 0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:37.440 remove a forest? The type of grasses that are on 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:40.160 an airfield, you know, can we change that? Can we 0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:42.719 make it a grass that geese don't like? Um, it's 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:45.680 just changing, you know, just the habitat to make it 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:48.080 less desirable for wildlife to be around. So you'd be 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:50.880 like that food plot that runs down the length of 0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:55.640 the air has to go. Yeah, the corn feeder can't 0:52:55.640 --> 0:53:00.200 be there anymore. But what ones have like a what 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:05.200 ones have great great habitat? I mean, but it's a 0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:11.839 weird occupation to have to have to like interrupt habitat. Yeah, 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:13.480 I don't know. I know a lot of airfields, you 0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.400 know that we're built fifty hundred years ago. You know 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:17.960 a lot of times they were just looking for land 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:20.680 that was wide and open, so allocatet wetlands. Nobody likes these, 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:24.120 so they would build on those. But obviously conservation efforts 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:26.120 and stuff have ramped up a lot in the last 0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:28.240 hundred years and now we're going, ah, these are actually 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:31.239 really great habitats, and so it you know, we kind 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:33.239 of have to balance this of like, Okay, we need 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:36.320 to make sure the air field self doesn't have great habitat, 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:40.120 but also conserving what we have on the outside of 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:43.160 the airfield as well, just outside of our flight paths. Yeah, 0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:45.440 because I imagine the mandate becomes a little bit different, 0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:48.040 Like you could picture. In the old days, it'd be listen, 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:54.120 kill anything that might possibly come near an airplane, and 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.840 now there's a lot you know, we try to be 0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:59.640 a little more surgical and delicate. Yeah, it's just a 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:03.680 lot more research and stuff too. I mean just the 0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:07.240 technology in the research and technology that we've had throughout 0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:09.880 the years, as well as just also increasing our understanding 0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:12.279 of wild wildlife is on the airfields and what we 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.279 can do, Like you know, you can sit there and 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.799 try to shoot every duck that comes on. Why not 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:19.560 just remove that pond of water and now you just 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:23.080 removed all those future ducks from coming in. Yeah. Do 0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.399 you ever have to get involved in the like, how 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:26.640 do you guys do if you get where you just 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.799 get like a deer infestation in some area? How has 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:32.000 it ever decided that you're going to have the mechanically 0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:36.000 removed deer. So it kind of depends on where it's at, 0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:38.680 you know, what is the fencing situation. So that's another 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.480 stuff that we often take is just you know, creating exclusion, 0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:45.759 creating barriers to make it harder for wildlife to get on. So, 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.600 you know, you remove all that habitat, you remove those 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:51.400 forests and stuff off the airfield, you're adding fences up, 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:53.759 and when deer are on there, like, they are at 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:56.880 risk and they are hazards. So oftentimes we will remove 0:54:56.880 --> 0:54:59.640 those individuals. And I know at my particular base, when 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:01.200 we were move them, we actually donate all the meat 0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:03.239 and stuff, so is they're not wasted When you have 0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:05.319 to remove a deer, is it like is it a 0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:07.719 thing you're just sort of working away at or is it, 0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:13.040 oh my god, right now there's a deer that's presenting risk. 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.279 We need to go get the deer. So yeah, if 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:18.680 it's like right there, right on the runway rate within 0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:21.920 that strike zone, like it's if if an airplane takes off, 0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:23.600 that thing is going to be hit. We also try 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:27.319 to remove those. Yeah, how is that done? Oh we 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:34.239 just use firearms? Yeah, huh. Does every airport I'm a 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:39.440 little confused. We just need to and to straighten this 0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:42.800 out for me. You have like a home base airport, 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:48.120 but you're also traveling around reviewing other airports. Does every 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:52.239 airport have a biologist? It's do Some airports have full 0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:55.520 time biologists that are constantly working, constantly watching the skies 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:58.560 and that way when they see the flock, they radio in, 0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:02.120 can you yeah. Yeah, So we cover eight hundred and 0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:06.400 thirteen air fields across the United States agency as an 0:56:06.400 --> 0:56:11.200 agency as USDA Wildlife Services, and so there's some airfields 0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:14.000 that'll have full time people like me, Like your larger 0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:17.640 airfields will have multiple you know, wildlife texts and wildlife biologists, 0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:20.759 and then some might even just be Wildlife services going 0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:23.879 in and telling, you know, teaching our airfield operations like hey, 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:25.040 this is kind of what you need to do if 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.399 you see a bird or see some wildlife and giving 0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:29.839 those recommendations so that they can handle themselves if they're 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:33.200 a smaller airfield. But yeah, any FAA regulated airfield will 0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:36.359 have some sort of wildlife management plan. Well, we're during 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:40.040 a normal day of work. You're not just sitting there 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:43.080 watching the skies and watching the runway now, So we'll 0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:46.120 do patrols, we'll do like observations and like I said, 0:56:46.120 --> 0:56:47.880 if I see a flock of geese flying over, I 0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:49.799 will call tower and let them know. But you know, 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:52.879 we're doing a lot of those other steps of harassment. 0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:57.000 So part of harassment is you know, scaring birds or 0:56:57.040 --> 0:56:58.759 like professionals. So I think there was like a joke. 0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:01.840 It was like, you know, describe your profession badly, and 0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:04.200 it was like, I'm a professional bird shooter. Um, so 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:06.520 I shoe birds off the airfields, shoot you know, go 0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:11.640 away birds, and using um pyrotechnics so glorified we shoot 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:13.960 like glorified bottle rockets at birds. So if you have 0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.200 flocks of birds, flocks of geese and stuff on the airfield, 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.360 we'll just harass them off. We use bird cannons. Just 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:23.480 how's your accuracy? You got it? You gotta do it 0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:28.080 enough to where you can refine glorified bottle rocket, right. Yeah. 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:30.919 So like our pyrotechnics, the ones that we use, they're 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:33.240 like like a revolver and so it's just you know, 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:34.880 you're not shooting it at the birds, you're just shooting 0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:37.960 them in the proximity to make it uncomfortable for them 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.120 to be there, and they'll take off. My old man 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:42.120 had a big gallon size ziplock when I was a kid, 0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:44.560 probably wasn't even ziplock. He had a giant plastic bag 0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:47.439 someone had given them. You shoot him up A twelve 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:50.840 gage shotgun. Oh yeah, Oh yeah, we use some airfields 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:54.240 will use those. Um, we use them up in Alaska 0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:55.840 because a lot of the birds that we're working with 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.040 up there, you know, they're so you have Lake Hood 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.560 out there, which is the world's largest plane lake, and 0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:02.840 so you'll have ducks and stuff. They're way out in 0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:04.400 the middle of the lake and so you can't really 0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:05.920 reach them. So we had to use those. You know, 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.160 it was a break action that we would. You guys 0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:11.480 get involved in that. What was that they get involved in? 0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:14.800 Scaring them off lakes for floatplanes. Yeah, so that's part 0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:19.080 of Anchorage National Airport. That's their floatplane lake. A million 0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:21.640 times you guys will scare birds off that. Yeah, it's 0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:25.200 still a hazard. Here's one thing I don't get about 0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:30.160 this though, running around an airport with a shotgun, if 0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:38.480 that's concerning. Everybody knows I'm out here right and I'm 0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:41.920 on the same team just triple checking today. If a 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:45.120 plane okay, a plane's haul and ass and and burt 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:51.960 at what foot at? What was that acronym? Hl agl uh? 0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:57.200 The plane takes off but his he's left airport and 0:58:57.280 --> 0:59:03.640 his wheels are still right like scraping the ground. How 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:05.680 many miles out is the plane by the time it 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:09.960 hits a thousand agl I'd have to look that up. 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:13.840 I'm not sure way ass out there? So how does 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:17.439 does your jurisdiction extent? Like let's say this, Let's say 0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:22.480 I live a mile from the airport and I say, man, 0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:27.440 I'm gonna start planting waterfowl food, I'm gonna do all 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:31.120 kinds of habitat improvement. I'm going to make the duck 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:34.520 hangout of all duck hangouts. So yeah, so part of 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:38.439 the job we do what So we'll put out recommendations, 0:59:38.520 --> 0:59:40.720 be like, hey, like this is what's going on. We 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:42.960 do have like safety zones outside of airfields as well, 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:46.240 so you hold some jurisdiction the airfield does not while 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:49.480 I services but yeah, yeah, yeah, so just so you 0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:51.120 can go bang on the guy's door and be like 0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:55.560 you gotta cool it on the ducks. The airport maybe 0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:58.880 the airport, but again we'll just give recommendations. And oftentimes 0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:00.760 if you explain to someone like Okay, what you're doing, 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:03.960 this is what could happen often there. You know, Okay, 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:05.920 I can understand that. Do you ever need to go 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:09.640 have those conversations not at my current base now? Yeah, 1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:13.240 and you're assigned out like you're assigned out all over 1:00:13.280 --> 1:00:18.560 the place to go do airport assessments. Like my profession 1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:21.080 or like my career has just taken me all over 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:23.400 the place. So I've worked in seven air fields in 1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:26.520 five different countries. Yeah. You and Yanni were talking about 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:29.360 hanging out in Latvia. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm currently a 1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:32.640 Selfridge Air National Guard base, which is just outside Detroit, Michigan, 1:00:32.960 --> 1:00:35.800 and our sister base is in Leovard, Lafia, And so 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:38.040 I've had the opportunity to go out there twice, and 1:00:38.160 --> 1:00:40.000 then my counterpart has been able to come to Michigan 1:00:40.040 --> 1:00:43.400 as well. Are there any major differences, like any any 1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:48.720 safety things that are concerns in Europe VERSUS and not 1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:51.560 concerns in the US vice versa, where like in the 1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:54.480 US they'd be like, oh, make sure there's no geese here, 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:56.560 and then Europeans are like, oh, who cares about geese 1:00:56.840 --> 1:00:59.320 anything like that. I mean, everything is going to be 1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:02.440 are if it's on the airfield. So maybe not so 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:04.840 much as they don't consider it a concern, but they 1:01:04.920 --> 1:01:07.360 just have different concerns. So in Latvia you have those 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:10.439 the white storks, which are really large bird. They really 1:01:10.480 --> 1:01:13.600 like the airfield and they're really protected as well, so 1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:16.560 you know, just trying to keep them off the airfield 1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:18.680 there and they just aren't They don't scare very easy. 1:01:19.360 --> 1:01:21.919 They're completely non lethal over there, so it's not something 1:01:22.040 --> 1:01:24.560 that you know, we can lethally remove. So it's just 1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:27.440 you know, learning the behavior of the bird and when 1:01:27.480 --> 1:01:30.000 we harass it or chase it down, like what it's 1:01:30.000 --> 1:01:32.560 going to do, and trying to get it out of there. Yeah, 1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:36.120 do you find around the country do you find that 1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:41.880 there are very different perspective as people have about In 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:44.880 some areas they kind of got like a kill them 1:01:44.920 --> 1:01:47.640 all that God sort them out attitude, And in some 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:52.960 areas they're very concerned about not harming anything or not 1:01:53.160 --> 1:01:57.200 scaring anything. So that like cultural aspects are definitely a 1:01:57.280 --> 1:01:59.880 part of you know, airfield management. So when you have 1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:02.640 you know, if you're in a country that has sacred animals, 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:04.480 you got to be very conscious of that, like, hey, 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:06.640 I'm in this country and a white pigeon is a 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:10.320 sacred animal. Like, let's not do anything to those guys. 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:13.480 But it's just you know, being cognizant of where you 1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:15.680 are and what you're doing. But you know, everything we 1:02:15.800 --> 1:02:18.680 do is you know, we can justify. So when I'm 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:22.320 doing you know, starling removal on my airfield and people 1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:24.080 are like, oh, what are you doing with those? And 1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:26.160 it's like, well, those are an invasive species and they 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:29.760 compete with twenty seven of our native species, nobody argues 1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:32.720 like and then you know it is a safety aspect. 1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:35.880 So when you say this, you know these birds or 1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:39.440 this wildlife could cause you know, a strike or it 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:42.280 can cause damage from aircraft and you know the very 1:02:42.480 --> 1:02:45.280 very rare cases of fatal crash. You know, when the 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:48.000 name of safety not made, people argue with it. How 1:02:48.040 --> 1:02:50.400 do you get rid of a bunch of starlings? So 1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:52.280 we have different traps and stuff that we can use. 1:02:52.560 --> 1:02:55.320 Um So we have as a starling trap, which is 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:58.160 it's just a large cage with a funnel on top 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:01.360 and we put in different feed and stuff that when 1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:03.280 they get inside of it again, they can't figure out 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:06.280 how to get back out. Yeah, just set it out, 1:03:06.320 --> 1:03:10.439 so you're like catching handfuls them out of time. Yeah. 1:03:10.520 --> 1:03:12.200 And then as well as the other thing that we 1:03:12.280 --> 1:03:15.280 like to trap our raptors, so hawk owls and falcons, 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:18.200 So we have live traps for those are modified specific 1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:21.080 four raptors. And this is something I get to do 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:23.880 a lot in Michigan. And so when we catch these birds, 1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:26.160 we catch them live. And how do you catch them? 1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:29.080 So we I guess the most popular one is our 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.880 gossac trap. So the best way to explain it is 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:33.720 we'll use like a pigeon and we put it in 1:03:33.760 --> 1:03:35.920 a cage and then on the top of it we 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:39.200 put this trap. That is the doors are opened with 1:03:39.320 --> 1:03:41.760 springs and there's a trip pole that hold it open. 1:03:41.840 --> 1:03:44.360 And so when this raptors flying around and sees that pigeon, 1:03:44.840 --> 1:03:49.040 it'll come down, it'll hit that pole, clothes and so 1:03:49.240 --> 1:03:51.640 pigeons in the bottom, he's totally fine. Well, be a 1:03:51.640 --> 1:03:56.880 little traumatized because then he's got oh heste yeah. Yeah. 1:03:57.000 --> 1:03:58.840 So then when we catch these raptors, we put a 1:03:58.840 --> 1:04:00.960 federal band on them and then we work with our 1:04:01.000 --> 1:04:04.400 states to find suitable habitat for these guys. So we'll 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:06.280 fly or I'll drive them out hour hour and a 1:04:06.320 --> 1:04:09.440 half away from the airfield and release them and hopefully 1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:11.320 that they don't come back. Do you very often just 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:14.720 catch the same bird on occasion? I think it's less 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:16.720 than a ten percent recapture, right, It just kind of 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:20.560 it's effective moving them how far I usually drive like 1:04:20.600 --> 1:04:23.120 an hour hour and a half. It still doesn't seem 1:04:23.280 --> 1:04:25.640 that doesn't seem like you'd thrown It seems like he'd 1:04:25.680 --> 1:04:27.840 be back before you got back, right. It just depends 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:29.720 on the birds. So is it If it's like an 1:04:29.720 --> 1:04:32.200 adult bird that this has been their territory for years, 1:04:32.760 --> 1:04:34.920 chances are those are guys are going to come back 1:04:35.040 --> 1:04:37.560 where a lot of birds, you know, if they're young especially, 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:39.560 they're going to fly back and when they see that airfield, 1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:41.920 they're like, I remember what happened there last time, And 1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:56.040 they're out there talking about that. What that pigeons day 1:04:56.160 --> 1:05:00.360 is like? Right where he here's that thing gossip caught 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:02.040 a trap right above him and he's got to hang 1:05:02.080 --> 1:05:04.840 out there. We had a guy on the show that 1:05:05.000 --> 1:05:08.280 was doing work with ocelots, so it's like a souped 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:12.920 up little cat like a spotted like a jaguar. The ocelots, 1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:16.440 so they use they'll put they put their traps out 1:05:16.440 --> 1:05:18.640 and they put two roosters. They'll set two traps with 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:20.920 the rooster in each trap as bait, and they get 1:05:20.960 --> 1:05:24.160 to cock, they get to talking to each oart so 1:05:24.200 --> 1:05:27.560 it's making a lot of racket. And then the ocelot 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:31.320 gets caught, but he's got a little little cage that 1:05:31.520 --> 1:05:36.880 separates the rooster from the ocelot, and then that rooster 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:41.720 has to hang out there for however long with that cat. 1:05:43.480 --> 1:05:45.240 And I was like, that's gotta be like a fatal 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:47.120 level of fear. But he said, man, I got, I 1:05:47.200 --> 1:05:53.520 got roosters have caught multiple cats. But just imagine when 1:05:53.600 --> 1:05:57.640 we gotta run around with that biologist in California trapping 1:05:57.840 --> 1:06:02.560 mountain lions years ago. Now, they had a live quail 1:06:03.200 --> 1:06:06.720 that they would use for you know, luring in a 1:06:07.160 --> 1:06:09.840 mountain line into these big cage traps that they had 1:06:09.880 --> 1:06:13.160 to use. That works. I just I thought it was 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:15.240 hilarious because I was like, there's no way this works 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:19.160 because in California, like the amount of signage that they 1:06:19.240 --> 1:06:22.040 had to have up saying like this quail is being 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:26.000 very well cared for. Please don't release that. Don't worry 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:30.000 about this quail. Yeah, yeah, very happy. Like this doesn't 1:06:30.040 --> 1:06:32.800 seem like it's worth the effort, Like cat has to 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:34.680 figure this out. You ever had to get rid of 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:39.560 a cat, bobcat or line off a cougar? No, not 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:42.520 any of the places I've worked. Now, feral cats. There's 1:06:42.600 --> 1:06:46.080 got to be a lot of feral cats around airports. Yeah, 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:48.120 I mean I see them on occasion, but they're not 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:49.920 enough for me to be like, ah, these guys are 1:06:50.080 --> 1:06:54.560 going to be causing a strike. You mentioned that porcupines 1:06:55.600 --> 1:07:00.680 can cause a lot of stir Yeah, up in an Anchorage, Alaska. Porcupines. 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:02.360 It's probably like one of my favorite things to catch. 1:07:02.960 --> 1:07:06.880 So I'm sure Tower probably loves watching whileye services employees. 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:09.920 So when you see a porkypine, you take a tub 1:07:10.080 --> 1:07:12.880 with a lid and you run with it usually above 1:07:12.920 --> 1:07:15.480 your head, and you're chasing this porkypine down and eventually 1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:17.680 you'll catch out to it. You drop the tub on it, 1:07:17.800 --> 1:07:19.439 and you grab the lid and you slide it under, 1:07:19.720 --> 1:07:22.360 you flip it, and that's how you could catch a porcupine. 1:07:22.720 --> 1:07:24.960 And but these guys, yeah, if they're up on like 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:28.720 the runways and stuff, they can actually pop tires. What 1:07:30.360 --> 1:07:32.440 do you do with the porkupines? We'll just relocate them. 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:39.160 How many porcupine is? He's probably whatever, you know, just 1:07:39.320 --> 1:07:43.200 keep slowly moving. There's so like I don't want to 1:07:43.200 --> 1:07:46.280 call them oblivious, but they're just easy going man, easy 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:50.040 going animals. What back to, like the social acceptance thing? 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:55.760 What is the Have you ever get witnessed something that 1:07:56.920 --> 1:07:59.400 like straight out of like the movie Airplane or National 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:03.600 Lampoom in regards to an animal strike on the runway. 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:07.840 I've never seen either of those. I don't know read 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:14.240 that old geez there were two apocalypse now, don't worry 1:08:14.280 --> 1:08:19.280 about like, um, there's never been like a strike on 1:08:19.760 --> 1:08:23.200 the runway where folks are you know, sitting, are ready 1:08:23.240 --> 1:08:26.640 to take off and it's like grape jelly across all 1:08:26.680 --> 1:08:30.200 the windows at one point or something like that. Yeah, 1:08:30.240 --> 1:08:31.840 I'm sure that could. I mean, yeah, when the bird 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:33.439 gets hit, it's just like again, if you hit like 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:36.920 a bug with your car, like they splat, that's a snarge. 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:39.880 Oh you know what you did? Do it? Tell us 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:43.800 the moose story? Oh, yeah, so when I so after 1:08:43.840 --> 1:08:46.600 I left Cots of You, I went and worked in 1:08:46.640 --> 1:08:48.960 South Africa for a little bit volunteering, and then came 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:51.400 back to Anchorage. And when I was an Anchorage, I 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:53.320 got to do more of the hands on direct control. 1:08:53.920 --> 1:08:56.880 And they're mixing it up with porcupines. Yeah, yeah, working 1:08:56.920 --> 1:08:59.240 with the porcupines. And I got a call that there 1:08:59.320 --> 1:09:02.480 was a moose going on and they were damaging airfield 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:05.400 property and I was like what, And it was the 1:09:05.479 --> 1:09:08.519 middle of the rut, and I show up and sure enough, 1:09:08.640 --> 1:09:12.719 there were two huge bulls fighting. But they were fighting 1:09:12.760 --> 1:09:14.160 on each side of a chain link fence and it 1:09:14.240 --> 1:09:16.080 was an airfield fence, so one got on the inside 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.720 and one got on the out and they were just 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:21.240 hitting each other so hard, and every time they'd hit 1:09:21.320 --> 1:09:23.160 that fence, you were just ping, ping, ping, ping, just 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:27.080 coming off like all the wires and stuff. And I 1:09:27.160 --> 1:09:29.680 couldn't get them to pull apart. I mean, they were 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:33.680 just raging to stopsterone bowls, and so it was kind 1:09:33.720 --> 1:09:36.840 of the fence through the fence, and so it just 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:39.360 kind of turned into just getting people to stay back, 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:41.519 and because people were wanting to get pictures, they were 1:09:41.560 --> 1:09:43.080 trying to get closer, and it was like, ah, these 1:09:43.160 --> 1:09:46.479 guys are not safe. Well, one of them, as they were, 1:09:46.640 --> 1:09:48.720 you know, growing at it, got his antler caught up 1:09:48.720 --> 1:09:52.640 in barbed wire, and the barbed wire ended up you know, 1:09:52.760 --> 1:09:55.200 from every move back and forth, they kept getting tangled 1:09:55.280 --> 1:09:57.400 and tangled. So we end up having to call the 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:00.400 Laska State Game to come in and trank liz Us 1:10:00.439 --> 1:10:02.280 moose because I mean it was he was just covered 1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:05.519 in this barbed wire after an hour. And this was 1:10:05.640 --> 1:10:08.040 I was twenty two, so I was just bright eyed, 1:10:08.120 --> 1:10:11.920 bushy tailed, fresh into the wildlife field and moose are 1:10:11.960 --> 1:10:14.519 my favorite animal by far, and so I was just like, 1:10:14.960 --> 1:10:17.320 can I help, And they're like, yeah, here's the clippers 1:10:17.360 --> 1:10:19.920 you can clip off the wire. And I was so 1:10:20.200 --> 1:10:22.400 excited and so we get the moose down. I run 1:10:22.520 --> 1:10:26.120 up to it. I'm clipping all the wire and the 1:10:26.200 --> 1:10:27.960 biologist was like, yeah, I just can't a run your 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:30.400 fingers through the firm make sure there's no large gashes. 1:10:30.760 --> 1:10:33.519 And the best way I can explain this is that 1:10:33.600 --> 1:10:36.120 in a Jurassic Park, when the couple go to the 1:10:36.200 --> 1:10:44.880 park for the first times out of very familiar with 1:10:46.800 --> 1:10:48.760 so they see that try saratops and it's on the 1:10:48.880 --> 1:10:51.280 ground and the guy gives it a big hug and 1:10:51.360 --> 1:10:53.800 it takes that deep breath. I did that with a 1:10:53.920 --> 1:10:55.760 moose and it was the greatest day of my life. 1:10:58.400 --> 1:11:00.200 And so we were able to get the barbed tire 1:11:00.280 --> 1:11:01.760 off of it, you know, we're able to put the 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:03.400 reversal ind and he was able to get up and 1:11:03.439 --> 1:11:08.080 walk away. That's cool wild. But oh, my backtrack a 1:11:08.160 --> 1:11:11.240 little bit. So when this moose was covered in barbed wire, 1:11:11.760 --> 1:11:13.960 he eventually stopped fighting the other moose because he was 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:18.000 just more concerned with this barbed wire. Though he's been licked, right, yeah, 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:20.040 So I mean he's just shaking his hand, he's trying 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:22.000 to get it off, and like I said, there's a 1:11:22.040 --> 1:11:25.320 lot of people all, you know, spectating, and he was 1:11:25.439 --> 1:11:27.519 rubbing up against a bush trying to get this barbed 1:11:27.560 --> 1:11:30.760 wire off. And there was this car parked next to 1:11:30.840 --> 1:11:33.320 this bush, and he walks right up to this car 1:11:33.439 --> 1:11:35.200 and this lady has her falling out. She's just taking 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:38.479 pictures and he just rubs himself across the side of 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:41.000 her car. And I was like that insurance claim, He's 1:11:41.000 --> 1:11:43.640 gonna be great. Like what happened all this moose try 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:47.320 to rub barbed wire off on my car. Yeah yeah, 1:11:47.640 --> 1:11:51.920 you imagine the skepticism. Yeah wow, No kid, You know 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:53.360 I had a thing. I put it on Instagram, but 1:11:53.360 --> 1:11:54.800 I don't think we talked about on the show. Is 1:11:56.439 --> 1:12:01.400 this guy sitting in in Ohio three perfectly fine deer, 1:12:02.120 --> 1:12:04.640 like a really nice buck, a nice buck and a 1:12:04.760 --> 1:12:09.160 doe dead in a pile and it had there It 1:12:09.280 --> 1:12:14.080 was a down power line and these two bucks must 1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:15.639 have been duking it out and there was a dough 1:12:15.800 --> 1:12:18.120 there and one of them hit that power line with 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:24.640 its antler and just in a pile. Wow. Well, and 1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:28.120 they said that they got to the fire department, got 1:12:28.200 --> 1:12:31.280 the skulls and got them cleaned for to decorate the firebarn, 1:12:31.760 --> 1:12:33.320 and a dude down the road took all the meat, 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:36.679 which leads me to my next question. I'm not gonna 1:12:36.680 --> 1:12:38.360 ask you a question. I'm gonna ask you this because 1:12:38.960 --> 1:12:40.120 so you have a you have a job, and you 1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:42.960 want to keep your job, and no doubt, there's like 1:12:43.120 --> 1:12:47.559 certain things you just don't talk about. I'm gonna tell 1:12:47.560 --> 1:12:49.720 you a story before I ask the question. A friend 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:51.479 of mine I can't name them, used to do fish 1:12:51.560 --> 1:12:56.880 surveys um for this well for our home state used 1:12:56.920 --> 1:12:59.320 to do fish surveys in Michigan and they would have 1:12:59.439 --> 1:13:01.800 to do nets surveys just to count what was in 1:13:01.840 --> 1:13:07.200 the lake, right, but they were not allowed to utilize 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:10.719 the resource because they felt that it was a conflict 1:13:10.760 --> 1:13:14.360 of interest. So they would go and do these net surveys, 1:13:14.439 --> 1:13:16.640 and then he would go out and they had a 1:13:16.680 --> 1:13:20.040 spot out in the woods where they would have to 1:13:20.160 --> 1:13:25.200 dump it all. So he would come home, get his 1:13:25.320 --> 1:13:29.839 own vehicle, get his cooler full of ice, and promptly 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:33.120 zip back out there and get all the whitefish and 1:13:33.280 --> 1:13:36.880 northerns and perch and get them all filaied up and 1:13:36.880 --> 1:13:41.559 give them out to everybody. Question being if I asked 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:43.879 you if you ever eat the stuff that you control, 1:13:44.200 --> 1:13:46.560 would you be able to answer honestly or would you 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:51.040 probably not answer honestly? Yeah, No, honestly we don't. So 1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:53.800 a lot of things that we control, well no, no, 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:56.080 So like when we like when we shoot deer, we 1:13:56.240 --> 1:13:58.280 donate all that meat, so it actually goes to food 1:13:58.320 --> 1:14:01.320 for hunger, donate the meaning so do you have to 1:14:01.360 --> 1:14:04.040 do all the field dressing? So yeah, we have to 1:14:04.640 --> 1:14:06.479 um field dress it. But then the butcher will do 1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:09.439 all the processing, so you gotta go fiel dress. Yeah, well, 1:14:09.520 --> 1:14:12.200 let me ask you this. So you dragged the gut 1:14:12.280 --> 1:14:15.759 pile off to the side of the runway, A bunch 1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:19.400 of big ass vultures land on there. Old Souley comes 1:14:19.439 --> 1:14:23.000 in and what hits a vulture? Do you ever think 1:14:23.000 --> 1:14:27.080 about that? Well, I wouldn't dress it right next. Yeah, 1:14:27.080 --> 1:14:29.200 you don't want to put anything like attractive next to 1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:35.240 your runaway, so yeah, no, we would you describe the 1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:40.800 white starks and labba as a tender meat. That'd have 1:14:40.800 --> 1:14:43.880 been a better way to do it. Yeah. Yeah, Like 1:14:43.920 --> 1:14:47.479 which region were you? So? Do you like the deer 1:14:47.520 --> 1:14:49.680 meat that you take? No? So you guys will you 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:52.439 guys will fin you'll you'll be responsible for getting it 1:14:53.120 --> 1:14:57.000 dressed yep, and bring it to a butcher yep. Yeah. 1:14:57.040 --> 1:14:59.160 So then it gets donated and then it just depends again. 1:14:59.280 --> 1:15:02.280 It's all region. So when I was in Alaska, even 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:04.160 all the ducks and stuff that we caught, we wou 1:15:04.160 --> 1:15:05.840 address him and then they would get donated to the 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:09.680 elders of the community. You're kidding, huh. That's a lot 1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:12.120 of extra work. That's cool, It's worth it, though, it's 1:15:12.160 --> 1:15:15.240 better than just tossing them all the time. I'm telling 1:15:15.280 --> 1:15:17.200 their story about my same friend that I can't mention 1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:20.599 his name. He later in life had a job as 1:15:20.640 --> 1:15:24.639 a surveyor and they were surveying a place one time 1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:28.920 and it was full of He found someone's little weed plantation. 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:32.720 This is pre pre when everybody loved weed, like when 1:15:32.720 --> 1:15:34.960 a lot of people still hate a weed, like the cops. 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:38.280 He finds a giant where a guy's growing a giant 1:15:38.320 --> 1:15:42.320 thing of weed, and they're surveying it, and he keeps 1:15:42.320 --> 1:15:43.960 an eye on this area and pretty soon they go 1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:46.800 they clear it. Dozers come in to clear the lot. 1:15:47.560 --> 1:15:49.880 So just like he did with those fish, he then 1:15:49.960 --> 1:15:52.320 snuck back out there at night and got all the 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:54.519 weed that the bulldozers, that got all the buds that 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:56.680 the bulldozers had cleared off into the back end of 1:15:56.720 --> 1:16:00.240 the debris pile, and brought all that home. I think 1:16:00.280 --> 1:16:02.880 about that. That's a good gig. No, this guy's very 1:16:03.960 --> 1:16:06.479 a job. I'll say one more thing. He told me. 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:11.439 They would go into the up where you're familiar with surveying, 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:15.280 and sometimes they'd be surveying in the wintertime and they're 1:16:15.280 --> 1:16:19.760 out and all that seedar swamp, you know, and they'd 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:23.400 cuddle line way through the woods and the deer would 1:16:23.400 --> 1:16:25.519 be you know, let deer have a hard go of it. 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:28.600 And those winners up there and those deer would know 1:16:29.200 --> 1:16:33.439 they would come to a sound of a chainsaw and 1:16:33.560 --> 1:16:35.479 you'd clear a big line to shoot a line. So 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:37.439 you'd like clear it all through the swamp and you 1:16:37.520 --> 1:16:39.840 get your two things, those little looking holes in there 1:16:39.880 --> 1:16:41.160 that you look through the line them up when you 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:45.479 survey in, and the deer would flood in so much 1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:47.880 to the sound of the chainsaw that you couldn't shoot 1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:50.360 the even though you cleared the line, you couldn't shoot 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:53.120 the line because so many deer would be in that thing, 1:16:53.280 --> 1:16:55.280 and they'd have to have a person such as yourself 1:16:56.400 --> 1:16:58.920 trying to clear the deer out to be able to 1:16:59.040 --> 1:17:02.760 survey the thing. That's amazing. It's an amazing story. You 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:07.280 like that story, Phil loved it. I just have a 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:11.559 question about any stats that you have of like yearly 1:17:12.840 --> 1:17:15.200 or over the course of a number of years, like 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:23.920 the costs to airlines of damage. Yeah, so the average 1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:26.559 right now is about two hundred and eight million um 1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:28.920 it did it has gone up, So this is like again, 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:31.479 this is like an average between the last thirty years. 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:34.519 So it's you know, it's going up a little bit more. 1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:38.160 But it's just I mean, it's our planes are getting faster. 1:17:38.560 --> 1:17:40.680 We're flying a lot more. Again, there's one hundred and 1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:43.160 seventy five thousand flights in a week. That's that's just 1:17:43.200 --> 1:17:46.160 in the United States. That's not across the world. And 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:49.679 we've been hitting birds forever. So the first documented bird 1:17:49.760 --> 1:17:53.559 strike was Orville right in nineteen oh five, right to it. Yeah, 1:17:53.720 --> 1:17:55.599 he wrote in his diary that he hit a red 1:17:55.640 --> 1:17:58.519 being blackbirds. So this is not anything new. It's just 1:17:59.120 --> 1:18:01.040 our aircraft are getting faster. We're in the air Moore 1:18:01.040 --> 1:18:03.719 were sharing those these guys like it's just going to happen. 1:18:04.360 --> 1:18:07.280 Did he refer to it as snarge? I think he did. 1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:15.360 When when did I guess the airport biology become h formalized, 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:18.439 just like a job within the USDA to even have 1:18:19.080 --> 1:18:21.400 you know, have this be a position. Yeah, I think 1:18:21.400 --> 1:18:24.479 it was in the early nineties, And it was that 1:18:24.600 --> 1:18:26.920 strike that happened in Alaska, that was that fatal strike, 1:18:27.120 --> 1:18:30.559 and that fatal strike was um it was a military 1:18:30.600 --> 1:18:33.880 aircraft and it was brought the whole aircraft was brought 1:18:33.960 --> 1:18:36.200 down by a flock of geese and it killed everybody 1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:38.280 on board. There was like over thirty souls, and so 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:40.479 that was kind of a big jump with like, Okay, 1:18:40.520 --> 1:18:42.639 we need to do something about this so this doesn't 1:18:42.640 --> 1:18:46.120 happen again. That's when they recognized it as Yeah, even 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:50.799 though that's so funny, that was his name was Wilbur Orville. 1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:54.920 Orville was will Who the hell? Oh no? Those two brothers, 1:18:54.960 --> 1:18:57.840 the brothers, Yeah, okay, yeah, the two brothers, which one 1:18:57.880 --> 1:18:59.599 which one of the brothers had a red wing blackbird 1:18:59.760 --> 1:19:01.920 or and I think he did his first flight in 1:19:02.000 --> 1:19:05.000 nineteen oh three. Yeah, it's amazing those like he like 1:19:05.120 --> 1:19:08.200 identified it. Did he write about it as have you 1:19:08.240 --> 1:19:10.439 ever read his journal? Did he write about it as, oh, hey, 1:19:10.479 --> 1:19:12.760 if we get into this flying thing, this is gonna 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:14.800 be something to keep in mind. I think it was 1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:17.160 just a really brief mention about the fact that he 1:19:17.280 --> 1:19:19.960 hit or read being blackbird out and when he was 1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:23.160 in I think Dayton, Ohio. Yeah. Yeah. If you if 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:25.160 someone if someone comes you and says, man, I want 1:19:25.160 --> 1:19:27.560 to get a job as an airport biologist, do you 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:31.160 do you say good luck? Or are you like, oh, 1:19:31.200 --> 1:19:32.559 you just gotta do X, Y and Z and you'll 1:19:32.560 --> 1:19:35.920 get the job. Yeah. So it's it's definitely a growing field. 1:19:36.200 --> 1:19:38.439 So it's just again as we're recognizing more and more 1:19:38.520 --> 1:19:42.840 need for it. You know, we have technicians, we have biologists. 1:19:42.920 --> 1:19:46.680 I mean, we cover all the airfield or mostly airfields 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:50.040 in the state or sorry, gosh, mostly airfields in the country, 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:52.160 and so it's definitely growing. A lot of people just 1:19:52.240 --> 1:19:55.280 don't know that we exist. So I mean, like wildlife 1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:59.360 tech positions, they are open quite often. And if you're 1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:02.280 ever interested getting into this field, as long as you're 1:20:02.320 --> 1:20:03.960 willing to move around, it's like how I moved right 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:06.560 to Alaska. Once you're that foot is in the door, like, 1:20:07.040 --> 1:20:08.640 you can pretty much you can live anywhere in the 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:12.120 country really, because every airfield needs somebody like us. Yeah. 1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:16.920 And then it's a it's a federal salary deal yep, 1:20:17.720 --> 1:20:21.240 it's good healthcare. Yeah. Then you gotta worry about when 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:24.799 the government shuts down. Nope, because we are considering emergency personnel. 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:28.559 You need to worry about that. So when that happens, 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:31.880 and when that happens coming up here, you'll just you'll 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:33.880 still be out there cranking away. Oh yeah, because they're 1:20:33.880 --> 1:20:38.520 still flying. Yeah, I got you. Uh does every airport 1:20:40.120 --> 1:20:44.599 have to use the federal agencies? Like, let's like, why 1:20:44.640 --> 1:20:47.920 does an O'Hare airport or some giant ass airport like that? 1:20:48.320 --> 1:20:51.240 They don't do in house like you guys do that work. 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:53.960 There are some private agencies that do it as well. 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:56.840 Just with a federal we get the federal expertise, and 1:20:57.360 --> 1:21:00.760 we are wildlife professionals and you know, we don't have 1:21:01.120 --> 1:21:03.920 inherent authority like we don't we're not a regulated service, 1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:06.400 so we do work closely with US Fish and Wildlife Service. 1:21:06.520 --> 1:21:09.599 We work with the state agencies to get permits and stuff. Um, 1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:12.000 so we have the ability to really you know, trap 1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:15.200 and relocate raptors and working with all the migratory birds 1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:18.000 and stuff. Yeah, do you You know what I also 1:21:18.040 --> 1:21:19.880 want to ask you about is do you are you 1:21:19.960 --> 1:21:25.720 from with a thing called avatroll like an avian like 1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:29.760 an avian poison. Yeah, I've like I've heard of it, 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:32.559 but that's not something that you guys use are allowed 1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:35.960 to use. I hear people use it for street pigeons. Yeah, 1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:39.880 we don't use it in myerfields. No, no, but what 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:42.800 like what is it? I don't know because I hear 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:46.599 people refer it like uh like um like rat poison 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:49.840 for pigeons. You don't have any exposure to that. I 1:21:49.960 --> 1:21:53.640 don't personally have any experience using it. See that's you 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:57.280 guys can't get like you guys can't get like medieval 1:21:57.400 --> 1:22:03.040 like that with with poisons. Um not for me personally, No, No, 1:22:03.320 --> 1:22:06.960 I just don't have the experience. Do you guys have 1:22:07.160 --> 1:22:12.360 issues with iguanas? Let I say we have iguanas in Michigan. No, no, no, 1:22:12.439 --> 1:22:14.720 I mean not in Michigan. No. But you know, I 1:22:14.800 --> 1:22:19.719 guess what are the top like maybe other than birds, 1:22:19.840 --> 1:22:25.360 the top disruptive critters that we maybe wouldn't think I 1:22:25.840 --> 1:22:28.120 think additionally, Yeah, so I know, like white tail deer 1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:31.280 and coyote are going to be our two highest mammal strikes. 1:22:32.600 --> 1:22:37.360 Yeah really yeah. They love airfields. What does the picture 1:22:37.360 --> 1:22:40.080 of being a little I don't know, spooked or like 1:22:40.120 --> 1:22:42.200 a little sly, you know, like like I don't get 1:22:42.360 --> 1:22:44.559 off because they because there's a bunch of out there, 1:22:45.040 --> 1:22:49.800 they're they're hunting, all their presources are right on that airfield. Really, 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:54.479 short grass vowles my stuff, like yep, exactly what do 1:22:54.520 --> 1:22:56.799 you do to get rid of them, are usually trapping. 1:22:57.600 --> 1:23:01.280 How do you catch well? You do, yeah, seriously, So 1:23:01.360 --> 1:23:03.679 you gotta make a little dirt hole set alongside the runway, 1:23:04.080 --> 1:23:06.679 not exactly alongside the runway, but yeah, I mean because 1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:09.800 you're not focusing just on that runway. I mean you're 1:23:09.920 --> 1:23:13.640 using the entire de of the airfield properties, and so 1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:15.960 it's you know, finding their habitat and stuff and where 1:23:16.000 --> 1:23:19.439 you get to do a little kyote trapping too. Okaid, 1:23:19.560 --> 1:23:21.640 what else do you gotta catch like that? Using like 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:28.400 old school stuff boxes? Yeah, some air fields probably, Yeah, 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:30.120 I will catch boxes and stuff too. It's just again, 1:23:30.160 --> 1:23:33.560 every air fields different. So it's really just whatever is 1:23:34.120 --> 1:23:37.760 prevalent at your airfield and running around your airfield. So 1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:39.519 let's say you call it a bobcat, You're probably gonna 1:23:39.520 --> 1:23:42.800 move them somewhere. I think Bob's cats are pretty sly. 1:23:42.920 --> 1:23:45.080 Like you just said of kayotes, I've never heard of 1:23:45.080 --> 1:23:47.960 any bobcats causing issues on an airfield. But again, I've 1:23:48.000 --> 1:23:50.360 never been in a region that had bobcat issues like that. 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:58.280 Coyotes and deer deer, I could definitely picture snowy owls. Yeah, 1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:00.880 snowy owls are probably one of the big things this 1:24:01.000 --> 1:24:02.240 time of year. So that's the other thing is just 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:04.840 every time of year, seasonally, you're gonna have different things 1:24:04.880 --> 1:24:07.479 that you're after. So this time of year in you know, 1:24:07.520 --> 1:24:09.559 in Michigan and a lot of these like the northern 1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:12.560 Lower States, all the snowy owls will come from the 1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:15.519 Arctic and they migrate down and when they come down here, 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:18.439 they're trying to find something that is as close to 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:22.080 their habitat as possible. What's the closest thing to the Arctic. 1:24:22.160 --> 1:24:25.120 They want something wide open and flat. So when I 1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:26.760 tell when people are like I really want to see 1:24:26.760 --> 1:24:29.160 a snowy owl, I'm like, go to your local airfield 1:24:29.160 --> 1:24:32.000 because they love it there. And then when they're down 1:24:32.080 --> 1:24:35.800 there or when they come down here, they they love 1:24:35.840 --> 1:24:38.280 the airfield. Maybe if there's not a whole lot of snow, 1:24:38.280 --> 1:24:40.000 they're gonna watch sun something white and a lot of 1:24:40.080 --> 1:24:43.160 runway lines are white, and so they'll hang out on 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:45.479 a US sit on the runway, they'll use the signs, 1:24:45.560 --> 1:24:47.840 they'll just and then great, there's just tons of like 1:24:47.960 --> 1:24:50.360 voles and mice and like it's like a buffet out 1:24:50.400 --> 1:24:52.240 there for them. How do you catch one of those 1:24:52.640 --> 1:24:55.799 using those raptor traps. What do you bait it with pigeons? 1:24:56.600 --> 1:24:59.280 Do you ever get a snowy owl that you've banded 1:24:59.360 --> 1:25:01.479 it in a litt skill that shows up on an 1:25:01.520 --> 1:25:05.800 airfield in the lower forty eight um. Not necessarily out 1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:08.799 of Alaska, but there are times that we will ban something, 1:25:09.120 --> 1:25:11.280 relocate them, and then they'll get picked up into another 1:25:11.320 --> 1:25:14.559 airfield because again it's just they love that wide open 1:25:14.600 --> 1:25:17.639 flat area. So they just airfield hop are sandhill crane's 1:25:17.640 --> 1:25:21.400 an issue? Yeah, so I have them on occasion, but 1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:23.280 I have heard, you know, in other states that they 1:25:23.320 --> 1:25:26.120 can you know, they'll come across and like large flocks 1:25:26.160 --> 1:25:28.679 and stuff. Probably picture that taking a plane down. Yeah, 1:25:30.040 --> 1:25:33.920 snargo come off one of those things, big long bones 1:25:34.080 --> 1:25:39.760 and stuff coming out of there. Oh oh, so when 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:45.160 you're doing your foothold draps, I mean, air airfields are 1:25:45.200 --> 1:25:48.519 pretty busy places just from you know, my point of view, 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:50.800 a landing on them and taking off and stuff. There's 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:53.560 like folks walking around all so do you kind of 1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:58.000 have to like I imagine there's a lot of communication, right, like, oh, 1:25:58.080 --> 1:26:00.760 there's foothold traps out here, so don't go walking out 1:26:00.840 --> 1:26:03.640 on this area to have lunch or something like that. 1:26:04.240 --> 1:26:06.600 Or is there just a huge amount of ground that 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:11.000 nobody ever walks on in an airfield. So yeah, most 1:26:11.000 --> 1:26:12.599 of the time it's just a huge amount of ground 1:26:12.640 --> 1:26:14.880 that people are just not around. But you put the 1:26:14.960 --> 1:26:17.120 signs out, you know, this is going what's going on 1:26:17.760 --> 1:26:20.320 on my base. You know, we work with security forces 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:23.320 and let them know. You know, we'll let if there's 1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:25.800 an airfield that's got kenine units and stuff. We always 1:26:25.920 --> 1:26:27.840 you know, we try to be cognizant of who may 1:26:27.880 --> 1:26:29.760 be coming around here, who may be attracted to the 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:32.240 lures and stuff we're using. Yeah, so yeah, it is. 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:34.120 You know, you're working with your airfield. You're working with 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:37.280 your airfield operations, your airfild managers. You know, there's it's 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:38.960 a whole team of people that are doing this. So 1:26:39.200 --> 1:26:41.919 you know, we are the experts in doing the airfield 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:46.240 managed wildlife management, but with airfield we have then actual 1:26:46.240 --> 1:26:48.200 airfield management who are out there all the time, so 1:26:48.320 --> 1:26:50.560 they probably observe just as much as we do. So 1:26:50.680 --> 1:26:53.160 we do a lot of education and outreach with people 1:26:53.200 --> 1:26:57.160 across our base, people across the airfield. This last year 1:26:57.240 --> 1:26:59.960 I just started a I'm calling it the snow spot. 1:27:00.479 --> 1:27:02.439 So I put out flyers and was like, hey, who's 1:27:02.439 --> 1:27:04.920 the first person to see a snowy owl? Now this 1:27:05.000 --> 1:27:06.240 is my You know a lot of people are just 1:27:06.320 --> 1:27:08.400 birders and they're just excited to see a snowy But 1:27:08.560 --> 1:27:10.599 for me, it's like, this is great because the second 1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:13.000 snowy owl shows up on my base, I'm going to 1:27:13.040 --> 1:27:15.200 be notified about it and I can start managing for them. 1:27:15.760 --> 1:27:18.559 So just getting people involved is actually so a lot 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:19.760 of times people are like, oh, you're trying to be 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:21.760 hush hush. It's like for me, no, Like I love 1:27:22.200 --> 1:27:24.280 telling people what we do and educating people what we 1:27:24.400 --> 1:27:26.439 do because in turn it'll help us do our job. 1:27:26.800 --> 1:27:28.680 Cool if you go, if you go to do an 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:30.680 interview like this, you gotta go get you probably just 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:32.080 can't do it on your own, right, you gotta go 1:27:32.120 --> 1:27:35.479 get permission. Yeah, pretty much. It's hard to get permission, no, 1:27:35.680 --> 1:27:38.360 because we're not ashamed or we're not hiding anything that 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:40.560 we're doing, And so getting to do stuff like this 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:42.840 is a really great opportunity for people to know what 1:27:42.920 --> 1:27:45.240 we do because a lot of times it's a thankless job. 1:27:45.320 --> 1:27:47.479 I remember when I was in an anchorage there was 1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:50.120 there was a group of ducks along in a ditch 1:27:50.240 --> 1:27:52.519 along one of the runways. You know, A shot one 1:27:52.520 --> 1:27:55.880 of my techniques at them. They flew away, airplane landed. 1:27:55.920 --> 1:27:57.280 I happened to look up and it was one of 1:27:57.320 --> 1:27:59.120 my friends flying. I texted him and I'm like, I 1:27:59.200 --> 1:28:03.760 just saved your life. So, I mean, and it's people 1:28:03.800 --> 1:28:05.559 don't realize that we're out there and what we're doing. 1:28:05.880 --> 1:28:07.559 And you know, it's hard to be like, oh, yes, 1:28:07.680 --> 1:28:10.040 because of us, we prevent an x amount of strike, 1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:12.000 because it's it's a preventive thing. You know, we're just 1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:14.160 trying to reduce the amount of wildlife strikes. We can't 1:28:14.200 --> 1:28:16.600 say we're never going to have a wildish strike, but 1:28:16.840 --> 1:28:18.880 we're hoping, as you know, those damaging ones will go 1:28:18.960 --> 1:28:22.400 down because you know, that's money for the airfield. That's money, 1:28:22.479 --> 1:28:24.479 you know, our government money and stuff too with new 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.200 military aircraft. And then it's people's lives. I mean, if 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:30.360 you have even like a small Cessna hit a large 1:28:30.400 --> 1:28:34.880 bird like that can bring it down. Yeah. Like a 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:39.880 great proof of a great job is that there's no news. Yeah, 1:28:41.680 --> 1:28:43.680 it's yeah. I try to think of some way to 1:28:43.720 --> 1:28:46.000 brag it up. But it would be hard. It'd be 1:28:46.120 --> 1:28:48.240 like people that point out with TSA, like I don't know, 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:51.360 does it really work? I'm like, I mean, has that 1:28:51.560 --> 1:28:54.679 happened since have we had that happened since TSA became 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:59.200 of things? I see, like it seems like something's working. Yeah, 1:28:59.240 --> 1:29:02.519 because if he looks atistically, strike numbers have like gone 1:29:02.600 --> 1:29:05.799 up exponentially. But it's because of that outreach and education 1:29:05.880 --> 1:29:08.360 that we're doing. It's hey, guys, like, if you see something, 1:29:08.400 --> 1:29:09.680 even if you're like, I don't know if this is 1:29:09.720 --> 1:29:13.080 a bug or a bird, snarge collected anyway, because we 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:15.080 can decide that for ourselves. If this is just a 1:29:15.160 --> 1:29:17.000 bug and we can ditch it. But if it is 1:29:17.040 --> 1:29:19.400 a bird, it's you know, using that information and then 1:29:19.439 --> 1:29:21.800 we can get that information to then your return and 1:29:22.000 --> 1:29:28.599 you know, manage for it. Who actually collects that's just yeah, right, 1:29:28.680 --> 1:29:31.360 Like when your plane lands, you know there's like a 1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:34.360 cleanup crew that comes into the airplane. Is there like 1:29:34.479 --> 1:29:38.800 a snarge specimen collecting crew on the outside of the aircraft, 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:41.120 not specifically, but there are the crews that are checking 1:29:41.160 --> 1:29:43.679 to make sure, you know, mechanics are working right and stuff, 1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:45.000 and so they're the ones that usually are going to 1:29:45.040 --> 1:29:48.240 collect them, So I work with you know, on my base, 1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:50.559 I'll work with our maintainers and stuff, making sure they 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:53.240 have the kids collecting them appropriately. You know, don't wear 1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:56.080 you know, gosh, wear gloves, don't try to touch things 1:29:56.160 --> 1:29:59.760 bare hand. Um, and just getting that information we can 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:01.080 and then if we do we get like a whole 1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:03.120 bird and stuff we can just if we can identify it, 1:30:03.200 --> 1:30:05.720 like yep, that was an Eastern metal arc, We'll just 1:30:05.800 --> 1:30:08.600 swim in that a freezer and send it the Smithsonian 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:10.640 some pictures. They're like, yep, it is, then we can 1:30:10.720 --> 1:30:12.639 dish the carcass it Does it throw off a whole 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:15.559 plane's whole schedule when that happens, Like if that flight 1:30:15.640 --> 1:30:17.599 has to leave in forty minutes to go somewhere else, 1:30:17.720 --> 1:30:19.320 is it up too bad? We got to take care 1:30:19.360 --> 1:30:21.679 of this strike or whatever? Does it? Snarge is usually 1:30:21.720 --> 1:30:24.320 pretty depending on if it's just you know, a little 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:27.960 snarge splatter, it's pretty quick just to clear up. If 1:30:28.000 --> 1:30:30.280 it's a damaging strike, you know, that could probably slow 1:30:30.320 --> 1:30:32.800 down the aircraft itself. But they're actually doing a lot 1:30:32.880 --> 1:30:35.759 of studies right now on the economic impact of a strike. 1:30:35.840 --> 1:30:37.760 So if you have you know it a civilian and 1:30:37.840 --> 1:30:41.280 real busy o hair or something, and you have one 1:30:41.640 --> 1:30:45.320 an aircraft takeoff, hit some birds. They call in tower like, hey, 1:30:45.360 --> 1:30:46.960 I just hit some birds. I got to turn around. 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:49.560 I'm not sure like if that caused damage. And so 1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:52.639 they turn around. Now all the aircraft that we're about 1:30:52.680 --> 1:30:54.800 to take off, we'll all pause because they're you know, 1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:57.680 they'll have a your wildlie professionals run out there and 1:30:57.720 --> 1:30:59.560 make sure there's nothing that's that they can handle and 1:30:59.640 --> 1:31:01.720 take care and get out of the way. And then 1:31:02.200 --> 1:31:04.320 now that aircraft just got delayed, the one behind that 1:31:04.400 --> 1:31:06.360 one got delayed. The next thing. He knows this domino 1:31:06.400 --> 1:31:09.200 effect not only for those airplanes that are trying to 1:31:09.240 --> 1:31:11.799 take off, but now all those passengers on that aircraft 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:14.880 now they ought to rebook their flights. So there's actually 1:31:14.880 --> 1:31:16.559 a pretty un I mean they're working on it right now. 1:31:16.560 --> 1:31:18.720 I mean there's been some studies coming out, you know, 1:31:18.840 --> 1:31:21.120 trying to see what the economic impact is. You know, 1:31:21.240 --> 1:31:24.160 we can say damaging is two hundred and eight million, 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:27.880 but like what about all those ripple effect costs? Right? 1:31:28.680 --> 1:31:31.880 I wanted to do one of those analyzes around air 1:31:32.000 --> 1:31:40.760 Force one because like during Obama's two terms. I got seriously, 1:31:42.479 --> 1:31:46.360 seriously screwed. When they decide to land the plane. I 1:31:46.439 --> 1:31:48.320 mean no, I mean it has undo with who it 1:31:48.479 --> 1:31:50.800 was as president, but it happened to be. Then how's 1:31:50.840 --> 1:31:53.240 for anybody where I'm like, oh, where did they get off? 1:31:54.800 --> 1:31:57.439 I mean it close the airport down. And one time 1:31:57.479 --> 1:32:01.600 I learned they close the airport down. Listen to this, 1:32:02.479 --> 1:32:04.920 They closed an airport. This is how audacious I think 1:32:04.960 --> 1:32:09.200 this program is. Someone should look into this. He lands 1:32:09.240 --> 1:32:12.360 in the big plane, okay, and he's going to make 1:32:12.400 --> 1:32:17.000 a stump speech for someone running for Congress. They shut 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:22.720 the entire airport down for the plane to land, Get 1:32:22.800 --> 1:32:26.360 in a helicopter, take the helicopter to give a stump speech, 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:33.920 a campaign speech, stays closed, comes back, helicopter lands, speech 1:32:34.040 --> 1:32:37.400 is over, gets on air force one, air force one 1:32:37.520 --> 1:32:42.559 leaves the airport, can resume flying. Wow. Now I traced 1:32:42.600 --> 1:32:46.800 the economic impact, and I was particularly incense because I 1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:50.040 didn't feel like it was of national significance. It was 1:32:50.080 --> 1:32:54.280 a speech. Well, I guess you could have like a 1:32:54.400 --> 1:32:57.680 plane that would be otherwise taking off for landing, that 1:32:57.720 --> 1:33:02.479 would try to crash into the plane issue, right, Like 1:33:02.640 --> 1:33:06.200 I think but that's that's why I think, right, I 1:33:06.320 --> 1:33:08.680 felt as though if it was I felt as though, 1:33:08.800 --> 1:33:10.640 you can't do that to people, to go give a 1:33:10.720 --> 1:33:13.360 speech for a guy. Okay, I got it. I got 1:33:13.400 --> 1:33:15.439 over the anger. But I was like particularly angry for 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:17.599 a while, and I said some things that probably would 1:33:17.600 --> 1:33:21.400 have put me on the UM no fly list or 1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:24.080 like the Secret Service whatever. You know. I was like, 1:33:24.160 --> 1:33:25.960 I was pretty mad. Man, that was pretty bad out 1:33:26.000 --> 1:33:30.240 shape about it? Yeah, like fly someplace to diffuse some 1:33:30.640 --> 1:33:34.400 international situation or make something better for everyone. Yeah, I 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:38.200 can wait. That's great, man. You're gonna diffuse tensions with 1:33:38.360 --> 1:33:42.040 North Korea? You know, I can wait. I can wait. 1:33:43.200 --> 1:33:46.360 You're gonna go give a speech for some Yahoo running 1:33:46.400 --> 1:33:50.080 for office yep, so we can lock up some sector 1:33:50.200 --> 1:33:52.840 in Iowa or yeah. Man, people got a place to go, 1:33:52.960 --> 1:33:58.120 they got things to do. Got it? You seem incredulous? No, 1:33:58.320 --> 1:34:02.960 I just I'm amused. Megan. You can play trivia? Yes, 1:34:03.240 --> 1:34:05.200 oh I got. I had one last question for you, though. 1:34:06.280 --> 1:34:09.400 Did you grow up hunting? Yes? Okay, yes, I did 1:34:09.479 --> 1:34:11.320 grow up. My I have an older brother that just 1:34:11.479 --> 1:34:13.800 wasn't into the hunting fish. Well, he does fish, but 1:34:13.840 --> 1:34:15.519 he was just not into that outdoorsy thing. And so 1:34:15.600 --> 1:34:17.680 when I came around, my Dad's like, it's gonna be you. 1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:19.680 Oh really, So he took me out hunting and I 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:22.160 was real little, and you know, it just gave me 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:25.160 some hostess, you know, cupcakes and stuff. We're like to 1:34:25.200 --> 1:34:27.880 sit here quietly. Your brother wasn't into it, and your 1:34:27.960 --> 1:34:30.559 dad was cool. Your dad like it took you on. Yep. 1:34:30.800 --> 1:34:33.960 Do you look him back on it? Do you think that, 1:34:34.520 --> 1:34:36.760 let's say your brother had been into it, would you 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:40.720 have gotten the same opportunity or would your dad have 1:34:41.000 --> 1:34:44.000 been Oh no, this I got my boy and that's 1:34:44.080 --> 1:34:46.439 my hunting body and you'd got left in the dust. 1:34:46.600 --> 1:34:48.040 Or do you think he would have either way of 1:34:48.120 --> 1:34:52.160 giving you the opportunities. Oh, I'm pretty bullheaded, So I 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:54.120 probably would have still tried to join because it was 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:56.160 interesting me. Right. So it's just something that interested me, 1:34:56.240 --> 1:34:59.000 and my dad capitalized on it. And it wasn't just 1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:01.680 the hunting and ching aspect. But you know, when I 1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:04.040 went out to I was like eight or nine years old. 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:06.000 We did this big road trip out to Yellowstone, hit 1:35:06.000 --> 1:35:08.519 all the national parks and my mom had me and 1:35:08.560 --> 1:35:10.840 my fund all the way through. Yeah, but just like 1:35:10.960 --> 1:35:12.640 you know, being out in nature getting to see all 1:35:12.640 --> 1:35:15.760 these like the megafauna and stuff. And my mom had 1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:18.400 me and my brother write essays about our trip, and 1:35:18.560 --> 1:35:20.960 I wrote in there how I wanted to like work 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:23.960 in the wildlife sector like that, Like all right, yeah, 1:35:24.000 --> 1:35:25.479 I said, I think I wanted to be a National 1:35:25.520 --> 1:35:27.519 park ranger. But like I didn't you know to me 1:35:27.680 --> 1:35:29.400 at eight year old, like that was all the same 1:35:29.400 --> 1:35:31.400 any but it was in the wildlife fields. Like I've 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:33.599 known what I wanted to do since I was a kid. 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:38.040 Were you big into Independence Day celebrations too, fireworks? Yeah, 1:35:39.680 --> 1:35:41.720 it really spoke to me. Yeah. So yeah, when you 1:35:41.760 --> 1:35:43.599 filled out your application, you'd be like, I love doing 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:46.920 shooting off fireworks. I like shooting guns romaniac. Yeah. Did 1:35:47.000 --> 1:35:50.200 they when you applied, did you weigh in how you'd 1:35:50.240 --> 1:35:53.439 had Like did they care that you'd had hunting experience 1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:56.640 or did that? Was that inconsequential to them? Yeah? So 1:35:57.479 --> 1:35:59.559 with the work that we do in wildlife services, having 1:35:59.640 --> 1:36:01.880 those grounds definitely help because you just want people to 1:36:01.920 --> 1:36:03.560 be comfortable with it. You don't want to give a 1:36:03.640 --> 1:36:06.479 firearm to somebody who has never touched one before, maybe 1:36:06.520 --> 1:36:08.920 be you know, really scared to hold one, and you know, 1:36:08.960 --> 1:36:12.080 not even just to shoot stuff. So having those backgrounds 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:16.519 are definitely beneficial. Great, not necessary, but it definitely helps. 1:36:16.960 --> 1:36:18.519 Now back to trivia. Have you have you ever heard 1:36:18.520 --> 1:36:20.880 the trivia shell? Yeah, my husband and I have played 1:36:20.920 --> 1:36:26.720 trivia every week since it came out. WHOA and how 1:36:26.760 --> 1:36:28.840 do you do? Do you beat the Shelby Index? Do 1:36:28.880 --> 1:36:31.040 you beat like? Do you beat like krine? Do you 1:36:31.120 --> 1:36:35.519 beat cow? Everybody beats karne Um? I usually am right 1:36:35.560 --> 1:36:39.120 there with the Shelby Index, But disclaimer, I also I 1:36:39.200 --> 1:36:43.240 also pause it and think about it. So actually being 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:46.479 in person, real time, I have no idea how all 1:36:46.520 --> 1:36:48.960 this is stressful. Yeah, so you're not. You don't know how. 1:36:49.000 --> 1:36:50.880 You don't think you're gonna like tear it up. You're 1:36:50.880 --> 1:36:55.680 gonna hold your own. I'm gonna survive, Okay. And then 1:36:56.000 --> 1:36:59.599 have you coordinated with Spencer about what bone he's gonna 1:36:59.600 --> 1:37:01.559 throw you when he gives you like a bonus question. 1:37:02.200 --> 1:37:03.680 I haven't had a chance to talk to him yet, 1:37:03.760 --> 1:37:05.519 So how does he how does he? I don't understand 1:37:05.520 --> 1:37:09.640 how does he do this? Because yeah, we talked, we 1:37:09.760 --> 1:37:12.479 talked about her. He looked at the podcast. No you're 1:37:12.520 --> 1:37:19.960 I'm a laugh if he's like, what snarge? Yeah, you know, 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:22.200 when we record the pot, when we record the trivia 1:37:22.240 --> 1:37:23.840 show in a minute, I'm gonna be like, well, how 1:37:23.920 --> 1:37:26.920 do you know? Well, I know yesterday. That's happened once 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:29.519 before where Spencer's not a part of not always a 1:37:29.560 --> 1:37:31.840 part of the podcast we do before trivia, and we've 1:37:32.000 --> 1:37:34.160 things would come up on that podcast that were the 1:37:34.240 --> 1:37:36.639 bone that Spencer eventually threw to the guests. That happened 1:37:36.680 --> 1:37:39.680 once or twice I've noticed. So yesterday the bone he 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:44.160 threw was he just like the person was from Texas, 1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:48.439 So you had a Texas reservoir question. But I'm curious. 1:37:48.479 --> 1:37:49.960 I'm gonna I'm gonna dig in with him a little 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:52.840 bit about how he's determining what to throw your way. Yeah, 1:37:53.800 --> 1:37:58.200 could be a host of good questions. Well, you're gonna stay, 1:37:58.240 --> 1:38:00.840 You're gonna stick around. Yes, we're gonna need some lunch 1:38:00.920 --> 1:38:03.960 or something, and then we're gonna have a trivia Thanks 1:38:04.000 --> 1:38:05.120 for coming on. Thank you