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Speaker 1: This is a me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: For every hunt, First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, Phil

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Speaker 1: Turn the Machinity. I got a I got a medical

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Speaker 1: already on its on. So years ago I had a

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Speaker 1: very convoluted health problem that had like a lot of

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Speaker 1: steps to it. Reboard like will this happened? And I

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Speaker 1: ate that you know? And then this happened? And I

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Speaker 1: got sick of telling when you go to the doctor,

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Speaker 1: convoluted story about who had strap win and what happened

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Speaker 1: They're the person that weighs your kid and she said,

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Speaker 1: so tell me what's going on? And I said, it's

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Speaker 1: a long, complicated story. Can I just tell the next person? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So my whole life, I've been doing that, not knowing

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like, yeah, it's like being like hitting

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Speaker 1: You don't the person way and your kid just has

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Speaker 1: beyond that, Like, oh I heard a good one today,

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Speaker 1: a twenty two pounder. Can I tell a funny doctor

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Speaker 1: visit story? Please? It's from our buddy Jake. Did he

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Speaker 1: But as they were trying, where did he Mississippi? When

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Speaker 1: probably retelling his story over and over. Oh yeah. Finally

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Speaker 1: me if I had if I've had contact with any

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Speaker 1: wild animals over the past thirty days. I listed Bobcat's,

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Speaker 1: Day by Megan Baker born in Michigan. Yeah, so's Megan Denin.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think it stings at all. You are,

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Speaker 1: think it was like, what is the most common Yeah, animal, No,

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Speaker 1: what's the weirdest thing you've ever heard of a plane?

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Speaker 1: Um the weirdest strikes that we have are there was

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Speaker 1: So we work with the Smithsonian and when they ran

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Speaker 1: like I know it hit at thirty thousand agl and

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Speaker 1: So then they took some more of the strike. Um,

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Speaker 1: DNA from the stomach. But could that thing be that high?

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Speaker 1: gray air currents. Ruple's Vulture is the bird that claims

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Speaker 1: the highest air strike ever recorded at thirty seven thousand,

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Speaker 1: one h a gl Well, no, because no, she's only

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Speaker 1: she's down to one line now because the other two

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Speaker 1: lives weren't lies. She was off by how many feet? Well,

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Speaker 1: that was just different, right right? That is wild man. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They also have fish strikes too, So a lot of

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Speaker 1: times like your offsprey, bald eagle, stuff like that. Either

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Speaker 1: they'll get you know, get struck and same thing, the

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Speaker 1: and splat a fish on your wind shield. Man, does

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Speaker 1: every strike get a DNA test? Um? So, basically, when

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Speaker 1: when your aircraft lands, maintenance crews are checking out the aircraft.

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Speaker 1: If they see us like a snarge, they do collect it.

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Speaker 1: We work so snarge is uh, it can't be singular

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Speaker 1: like there can be a snarge. Yeah, because my favorite

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Speaker 1: all that information, we have a partnership with Smithonia Feather

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Speaker 1: lot of time with his cadaver in medical school, and

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Speaker 1: I said, what did you wind up knowing about the person? Now?

422
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: When I had cadaver bone in my jaw, I asked

423
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: if what I could find out about whose bone it was?

424
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: And they said, they can tell you whose bone it is.

425
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: So I was spitting out a little hunks with some

426
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: guy for two weeks, no idea who he was. He's

427
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: all over this studio. I mean, I say, right here,

428
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: as the little bone hunks would come up out of

429
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: that hole. My job. He says this, this is very interesting.

430
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Speaker 1: University of Oklahoma. You were given so this is a

431
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Speaker 1: medical school anatomy Okay. You were given a seat assignment

432
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: in the lecture hall and what appeared to be a

433
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: random name on a sticker. About six to eight other

434
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: classmates had the same sticker with the same name. We

435
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: soon found out the name on the sticker was the

436
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: person we would be dissecting in anatomy lab in a

437
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 1: few weeks, one hundred and sixty students, twenty different names

438
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: on the stickers. Later that week, we were all bust

439
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: to a ballroom you'll state this cow at the Cowboy

440
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame to sit with the family of the

441
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: person whose name was on your sticker. This was called

442
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: the donor Lunch and was a way to show the

443
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: person you were dissecting was really a person. I sat

444
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: with the son and daughter in law of my cadaver.

445
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: There were pictures of her on the table, and they

446
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: brought photo albums to show us her through the years.

447
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: They discussed injury she had sustained through her life, which

448
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: we correlated with later in anatomy lab. Broken leg here

449
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: scar their new hip. Here. The only rules we could

450
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: not contact the families later with any information about what

451
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: we found in the lab. All the remains were cremated

452
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: and scattered on school grounds. Unreal, Yeah, right, unreal that

453
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it'd be an interesting lunch to sit

454
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: down too. Obviously, if you sit there as yourself, why

455
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: you listen to this show? That's why right there? Think

456
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: you're getting that on Maury Povich. No, not not even

457
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: this American Life good stuff, man, No, that causes you

458
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: to think a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I would have

459
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: gone a little bit deeper and said exactly why you know,

460
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he says, just so you know that

461
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: it's jokes man, It's referenced everywhere. But like the yeah,

462
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: just gave it, just didn't say anything, but he expressed

463
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: facially he doesn't think that that's why there might be

464
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: one little bitty reason why the you know, the origins

465
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: like the medical educational system, right, like body theft, stealing

466
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: bodies in order to be able to research because there

467
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: are so many taboos around, like dissecting a human. It's

468
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: amazing to think that that existed within the same profession

469
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: that now you can sit down with a family of

470
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: people that donate anybody. H that's wild, real weird. Um,

471
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna say something that I should say. Here's

472
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: another one. I'm I was gonna talk about like a thing.

473
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: I just realized about a good grave Robin strategy that

474
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: I learned reading a book that I was just reading.

475
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: But you shouldn't be doing that. No, but it does

476
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: does make us wonder if our guest Megan used to

477
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: be Baker Denne will ever get some snarge off of

478
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: vulture that had dined on a human, so to be

479
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: a human strike at thirty sound agl um. I think

480
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: if that happens, it's usually because the person who collected

481
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: the stars didn't use gloves. Yeah, I am. Here's the

482
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: more on this same subject. Not me. When I say

483
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: I am, I'm the listener. This is the listener talking.

484
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: I am a student working on my Doctor of Chiropractic degree.

485
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: Is that an actual can you get it? Is that

486
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: an actual doctor? Either way, it doesn't matter. I trust

487
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: the person who's in the program and studying and writing

488
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: into this lovely show. Yeah, he opercased d as such.

489
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: I have dissected close to half a dozen human cadavers

490
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: from head to toe in the last year. In my experience,

491
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: the vast majority of cadavers are just as doctor Reissman

492
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: was saying, out of shape and full of large fat deposits.

493
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: That being said, oh, does this get any better? Yes? Oh,

494
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean said he encourages everybody to donate your body. Remember,

495
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: like Spencer was like, I'm sure that the only people

496
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: who donate their bodies are are yeah, young in vain

497
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: and want their eight pack to be shown off when

498
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: they're dead. Ye there Yeah, where He's like, I'm so

499
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: good looking. I hope they dissect my body and find

500
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: out just how good looking I am. That was Spencer's thought. This,

501
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: this art, this letter does get great. For someone who's

502
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: fascinated by the inner workings of the human machine, as

503
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: I am, human cadavers are a gift. No, here's where

504
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: it gets good. The unsettling part for me, I say

505
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: this at risk of sounding like a psychopath, is the

506
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: hunger that comes along with dissecting. Ah, as well as

507
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: many of my classmates, have all experienced the same phenomenon.

508
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: After about a half hour of dissecting skeletal muscle, one

509
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: tends to get hit with a severe hunger. At first,

510
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: I thought and hoped that it was a chemical reaction

511
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: with the formal behind and other preservatives that causes this

512
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: to happen. But after asking several of my professors and

513
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: the lab managers themselves, I have learned that it is

514
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: an instinctual response to seeing meat. Yeah, next time you're

515
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: at the old Cairo fractor. I'm not saying who this

516
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: guy is. I just wanted you know, he might be

517
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: sitting there being like loins. That is interesting. Eventually, it's

518
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: when he's back there. Yeah, But have you ever felt

519
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: this phenomenon when you're skidding and breaking down an elk?

520
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: And absolutely? Oh yeah, yeah, I like some things like

521
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: dear mule deer elk, stuff like that. I'm like, I

522
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: find it's like when I'm cutting it up, it's very appetizing.

523
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: But I don't find myself like insatiately hungry, a severe hunger.

524
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, I don't find myself insatiably hungry. Thirty

525
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: minutes later. He might be a psychic because I feel

526
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: like we've got it a lot of stuff together, butchered

527
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in the field together. Cal you too,

528
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: I can't remember any time we're like thirty minutes in

529
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: either of you are like my god, am I hungry.

530
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I had no, yeah, because I

531
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: think we got stuff to do, right, like clocks ticking.

532
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: Typically he's describing maybe it's I think it's like psychopath

533
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: the federal be I may want to pay attention to

534
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: this one. You know, when I'm collecting snarge, I instantly

535
00:33:52,400 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: have a craving for chicken wings. No you don't, Okay, Well,

536
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: there's one more about this. Oh, this is something that

537
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: caldies know about. Just in case this is a strange behavior.

538
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with cadavers. This guy's an

539
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: electrical lineman for a local public power district. They install

540
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: and repair electrical poles and utility structures. His crew will

541
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: often work in areas far from restrooms, and especially after storms.

542
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: It isn't uncommon for him to work twenty four hours

543
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: straight to repair damage to electrical poles. Because it is

544
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: They often pack several meals worth of food and the

545
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: haul around drinking water those large orange igloo drink coolers.

546
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: They also will haul a green drink cooler for the

547
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: purpose of housing their number two, since they are often

548
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: far from a restroom but still too close to houses

549
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: to do their business. When they're done with the cooler,

550
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: they toss it into the trash. This is a note

551
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: for cow it's a little wasteful. It is right when

552
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: Cal's doing all of his dumpster diving, guys staying watch

553
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: out for the green coolers. That's good info than it is.

554
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: They should find something else wanted. It's going to contractor bag.

555
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: But I was just gonna say that is pretty trying

556
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: to keep it. We already covered the whole thing. He

557
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: could they sell those fancy five gallon buckets that you

558
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: could just take a bag out of, And why they

559
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: wanted to keep it warm. Well, I think it's right.

560
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: It's you're not gonna have a ruptured bag as you're

561
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: jostling around stuff in the track to be an insulated

562
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: container you're trying to keep No, I think you're gonna

563
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: trap in the smell. But you're also not gonna have

564
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: liquids escaping, you know, because it's a fortified vessel. Cal

565
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: sympathizes with him. Well, I understand, for sure, but I'd

566
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: rather I'd be more for Lynne just doing being able

567
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: to have carte blanche to do their deed on the

568
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: side of the road. Yeah, dig a little cat hole

569
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: or whatever exactly. Yep uh. Speaking of cat holes, see

570
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: that good one. Good one. This is another one that

571
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: the cow will appreciate. Some women. This is a strange story.

572
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: Two women in Alabama got in all kinds. They got decurdy,

573
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: then they actually got roughed up by the police, which

574
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true or not. This

575
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: is the kind of thing Crine should have called them

576
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: and talked to them. Well, their lawyers put out statements

577
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: and there's some video footage out there showing them get

578
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: roughed up. I mean roughed up is the bruises. That's

579
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: all kind of like up to interpretation. They were feeding

580
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: cats in their neighborhood and what Tumpka What Tumpka Alabama,

581
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: and the guy points out and the regional Native American

582
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: language rumbling Water Alabama. They've been feeding lots of house cats,

583
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: which is illegal, feeding stray house cats, but they would

584
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: feed them to lure them in and catch them and

585
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: then fix them. M So it's like letter the law

586
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: of spirit of the law not supposed to feed stray cats,

587
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: but they're catching them and fixing them. They've been warned

588
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: and warned, and they felt that they had the moral

589
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: high ground and then they got coughed and stuffed. I

590
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: think five year old and a sixty one year old

591
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: should point out that we don't want our a bunch

592
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: of people writing in and being like, oh, it's not

593
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: illegal to feed straight cat. This is probably like a

594
00:37:51,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: municipal or county ordinance that they're violating. Yeah, people over

595
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: sixty years of age, Like, you're you're not gonna fix

596
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: those people either. They're gonna do whatever they want. Um,

597
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: but it is never a good idea to feed a

598
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: bunch of stray cats. What if you're fixing them trying

599
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: to solve the stray cat the Uh, the kiddies aren't

600
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: having sex with birds to death, they're eating them. So yeah,

601
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm with you. He can be, he can be as

602
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: fixed as you want. We're still gonna go kill like

603
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: three birds a day. Yeah, I was talking about we

604
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: were talking recently about a Bob Kat getting hit by

605
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: a train. This is the last thing, Megan, Bobcat getting

606
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: hit by a train, and I was talking about how

607
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: why you know, how does that happen? Um? And a

608
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: guy from the railroad. Uh, he calls himself a train

609
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: track station biologist. No, no, no, that that was my

610
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: little topic yeah, oh no, just like as a transition

611
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: into talking about good transition. Here's what they find happens.

612
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Stuff gets between the tracks, between the rails, and for

613
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: whatever reason, it's impulse when the train comes, it's impulses

614
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: to like the Bob bobcat for instance, its impulse will

615
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: be to turn from the train, not jump the rails,

616
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: but just go down. He's like he's like consciously staying

617
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: within the line. Yeah, like like he's he's They they

618
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: they feel corralled by the corralled by the rails, and

619
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: so they just take off, Yeah, something like it. Yeah,

620
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: that's wild, um, the earl he says this about them.

621
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: They then tend to stretch out and try to jump

622
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: the rail once the locomotives are on top of them,

623
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: so they'll get overtaken and they try to bail out

624
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: from under the thing. They're only saving gray seems to

625
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: be if they come upon a grade crossing at that point,

626
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: they will veer off to the side. He said, I've

627
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: seen this in everything from raccoons to cattle. Oh, it's sad.

628
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: Possums get up on the rail and run down the rail.

629
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: That's terrible, man, that's sad. I think it's a natural

630
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: instinct for animals to follow lines. So when we I've

631
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: trapped like you know, ducks and stuff, and we have

632
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: confusion traps where it's like a funnel that they go

633
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: into these traps and then they're gonna hit the edge

634
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: of the cage and it'll funnel around and they'll just

635
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: keep following that line and they'll never actually just like

636
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: the opens wide open, but because they follow that line.

637
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: And the same thing when we're managing moves up in Alaska,

638
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: we can get them up on a fence line and

639
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: they'll follow that line and something about following the lines.

640
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: So your trap they could get out like the duck one,

641
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: but there keyboard do yeah, but most of them will

642
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: just keep doing this figure eight because they just follow

643
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: the line. Really, that makes for inexpensive trapping materials. Right there,

644
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: you get a rope. So what was how did you

645
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: get into your How did you get into your business

646
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: in your line of work? Yeah, so I went to

647
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: Michigan Tech University up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. I got

648
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: a degree in wildlife management. Like every other person, I

649
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: wanted to work for the state and went to a

650
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: conference and somebody was given a talk on wildlife damage

651
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: management from Wildlife Services and I was like, oh, that

652
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: sounds fascinating. He happened to be the state director out

653
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: of Michigan, so I went to his office a few

654
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: weeks later and he said. I was in his office

655
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, there was a seasonal position that

656
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: just opened in Alaska. He printed it off and said,

657
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: here you go. And I'm from the cornfields of Michigan.

658
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: I never have left Michigan before at that moment, and

659
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm never moving to Alaska so far

660
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: away from home. So you were damned close to ly

661
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: even by the time you go up to Michigan Tech. Yeah,

662
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: because you had that big ass lake you'd had, Yeah, yeah,

663
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: exactly cross the ice. Yeah, my parents said, was the

664
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: forest I could get away from home with still paying

665
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: state college? Yea, um, so you know, naturally, six months

666
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: later I was in Alaska. So after I graduated, I

667
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: ended up doing a seasonal position up in Kotsabue, Alaska

668
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: for Wildlife Services. Part of being an airport biologist is

669
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: a lot of surveys and creating management plans. So my

670
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: position was working in Kotzebue, Alaska, and I was up

671
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: there for six months just doing surveys on wildlife and

672
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: but related to an airport or not really started right

673
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: out in the airport business. Yeah, I got you. So

674
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: just doing surveys um you just trying to see where

675
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: animals are moving, their behaviors, stuff like that, and it

676
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: was It's one of the greatest experience of my life.

677
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: Just the cultural experience is just getting to live in

678
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: that native village. You know, it's way up it's remote,

679
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: like I think the closest row systems like five hundred

680
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: miles away, and it was a really really great experience.

681
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 1: And then the wildlife up there was really interesting. So

682
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: some of like the weird things that can happen up

683
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: there on an airport are like muskox. So you guys

684
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: might be familiar with the muskox like defense circle. So

685
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: imagine you have a group of muskox and they get

686
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: on your airfield and you try to you know, harass

687
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: them off, and they just stop and they create that

688
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: defense circle and they're on your runway and it's like

689
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: really difficult to get them off. So then you got

690
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: to cancel flights, Yeah, exactly, So it'll definitely delay some stuff.

691
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: I know, my airfields. Like right after I left, they

692
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: actually had a caribou migration go through and it like

693
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: disrupted the airfield because just thousands of cariboos were walking

694
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: across and you can't. They don't fence the airfield there,

695
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: some do, so it's just part of that management plan.

696
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: Some airfields, you know, they'll have eight foot because why

697
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: I tell dear, can't jump over eight feet? Sometimes they

698
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: don't haven't. Could be a funding issue, could just be

699
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: they might not think it's important until you know, they

700
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: get a strike with a cariboo or something. They'll learn

701
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: pretty quick. And with those muskox that's gonna be you know,

702
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: you know what we didn't, what we had, we weren't

703
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: talking about. But it just we keep not talking about it.

704
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: And it got so long ago? Was it? They just

705
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: Alaska had their first um the first person ever killed

706
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: by a musk Ox, right reported first reported person a

707
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: trooper was he stay a trooper? Let me pull that

708
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: back up. I actually did not hear about this. This

709
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: is a shocking. Well, someone rolled in. They had just

710
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: they were trying to get some kind of ATF permit

711
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: or something. I think he had just someone rolled in,

712
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: Like yeah, man, that guy. I was with the guy

713
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: an hour before. He was doing some kind of filling

714
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: out some form or checking my ID for a form.

715
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: The guy went home. There was a musk ox harass

716
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: and his dogs. Maybe he had sled dogs and uh

717
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: they yep. Officer with officer with Alaska State Troopers killed

718
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: by muskoks while trying to scare away a pack of

719
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: wild animals outside his house stomped him and gored him

720
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: to death. Whoa. He was trying to scare away a

721
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: group of muskoks from near a dog kennel at his

722
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: home when one of the animals attacked him. He was

723
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: declared dead at the scene. Horrible, isn't that's very rare?

724
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: I thought, I remember seeing that it was the first.

725
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: No one, I'm sure it's happened, right, But in terms

726
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: of first, but with muskoks on the air, if you

727
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: got a bunch of muskaks or a bunch of caribou

728
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: out there, I mean, there's got to be a little

729
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: bit of an element of sort of public perception, like

730
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: you don't just you can't just run out and start

731
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: shooting at him. Probably no, on top of you wouldn't

732
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: want to shoot something like that because they're also a

733
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: large animal, because now you're delaying time trying to get

734
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: that animal off too, so you created more problems. Yeah, exactly,

735
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: so you're just trying to harass him off, get him

736
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: off there? What Why was that a temporary position? So

737
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: that was just temporary so they Wildlife Hazard Management Plan

738
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: only has to be renewed every couple of years. So

739
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: I was just doing surveys for this plan. So it

740
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: was just a written up plan and it's just recommendations.

741
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: So we do these surveys and then we'll be able

742
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, you know this particular part of

743
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: your air fields a hot spot, Maybe you might want

744
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: to change something around that area. And then what have

745
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: you heard of getting run over by planes up there? Oh? Gosh,

746
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: just about everything. I mean, ay, we're like you're talking

747
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: cotso Beyer just in Alaska in general. Yeah, like like

748
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: Cotsaby for instance, what's a typical strike up there? It's

749
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: not a morning dove. Um, So you have ptarmigan up there,

750
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: and I remember they had ptarmigan issues. Honestly, it was

751
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: pretty low strikes up there, because I mean, there's just

752
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: not a whole lot that I know. They had to

753
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: remove a seal off the runway after I had left

754
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: as well. Really, yeah, seal on the runway? Was that

755
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: in your management plan? Actually? No, so the like we

756
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: flew this person up here, did a whole management plan,

757
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: she leaves in and here's a seal. No mention of

758
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: that in the management plan? Yeah, yeah, I know, I remember.

759
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: They're really easy to do though. You just take a

760
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: red ball and you bounce it down the runway and

761
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: they follow it right off. You know, do you remember?

762
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: I think that the most this has to be the

763
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: most famous bird strike is the Miracle on the Hudson

764
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: Captain Sully. Yep, they hit what they had a flock

765
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: of candy geese. How many? I don't know the exact

766
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: flock size, but I know it took out some of

767
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: their engines and that's why they couldn't couldn't get back

768
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: to the airfield and time like a bunch of geese. Yeah,

769
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: it was a flock. Yeah, so imagine that flying v

770
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: going across. That's what I'm curious about because movies make

771
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: it seemed like a bird at any time can take

772
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: down a giant plane. How fragile are the planes? Like?

773
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: What's like a concerning bird strike? What has to have on.

774
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: I think it's just like any you know, when you

775
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: hit something with your car as well, like something that

776
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: could just splatter off some things that could actually cause damage,

777
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: depends on how it got hit. But I know, you know,

778
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: with technology and stuff, they're testing more and more on

779
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: how to like, you know, toughen up these aircraft. So

780
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: I know a lot of agencies that are, you know,

781
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: building engines. They use like frozen turkeys and frozen chickens.

782
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: They'll toss them into an engine to see how well

783
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: they handle the impact. You know, what they ought to do,

784
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: You ought to tell them this thought out. I bet

785
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: they do, Steve well, then wouldn't be frozen, she said,

786
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: She just said that they buy frozen ones. She just stood,

787
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: buy frozen. I mean you can ask the because if

788
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: you throw a rosen turkey there, man, yeah, you might

789
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: as well throw a rock in there. Yeah. Yeah, what

790
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: about honing the wing tip to a razor's edge, slice

791
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 1: them so you're just slice them through the sky. Well

792
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: that's like if you run into them at that at

793
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: an angle where they're sliceable, you know, yeah, because they

794
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: may Yeah, well I would elsewhere. What if it's not

795
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: the way that they're hitting. Well, I don't think the

796
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: geese are going to like t bone a seven thirty seven.

797
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: Well wasn't it? Did you? Did you say to me

798
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: that if there is a strike that occurs, depending upon

799
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: like how far the aircraft is from the runway, uh,

800
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: the plane actually needs to turn back around. A lot

801
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: of strikes people don't even like the pilots won't even

802
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: realize that happened. Okay, Um, so that's a lot of times.

803
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of times they don't realize that

804
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: happened until they're doing their maintenance checks. I'm like, oh, hey,

805
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: obviously if it goes through an engine, you know, they

806
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: might feel it. They may smell it. I know, pilots

807
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: say they can smell when a bird gets ingested. Lo'll

808
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: get like a burnt bird smell. Um. So yeah, I

809
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: just kind of he'd be hungry, I'll get But like

810
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: you know, like JFK, LaGuardia, places like that, I would

811
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: imagine like lots of pigeon strikes, and that's like that's

812
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: a light bird. It's not gonna bring down a plane, right. Yeah.

813
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: If there's one thing I learned from my travels is

814
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: every airfield they got a runway, they got taxi ways.

815
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: Like there's things that are very standard in an airfield,

816
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: but when it comes to managing the wildlife itself, it

817
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: is vastly different. Because you can have cultural things, environmental things,

818
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: the type of wildlife that's there, the regulations on what

819
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: you can do to that wildlife is going to change

820
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: on every Airfield's really fun. How often do planes hit? Um? Like,

821
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: if a bit, give me just a like, what's a

822
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: normal jet? Like a normal jet that's flying nowadays there's

823
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: both okay, seven thirty seven's coming down the land and

824
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: there's a white tailed deer. Is it just blam deer

825
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: flies out of the way or can that screw the

826
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: plane up? Oh, if it hits a deer, Yeah, that

827
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: would probably cause a lot of damage. That doesn't happen.

828
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen very often. Oh So I looked up

829
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: some numbers and I believe it's about you have a

830
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: point zero eight percent chance of hitting a bird, and

831
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: that's just to hit a bird, but to actually cause

832
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: damage is going to be like a point zero zero

833
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: three to five percent. So the chances of hitting birds

834
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: are really low. But when they do hit and it

835
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: does cause damage it causes on average like two hundred

836
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: and eight million dollars a year. Wow, So do you

837
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: have any nice states? Do you have a number? So

838
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: if the chances are low though, do you have a

839
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: number of how many strikes maybe happen on average? Yeah?

840
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: On average is looking through numbers between nineteen ninety to

841
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: like two twenty one, So like it's there are growing

842
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: more because as we fly more, we're gonna be hitting

843
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: more birds and stuff like that. But it's on average

844
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty five strikes a week or so,

845
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: but there's also one hundred and seventy five thousand flights

846
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: in a week. Two. Sure. Oh, it may seem like

847
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: you guys doing a good job of de gating bird crashes.

848
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: We do our best. What what's the best airport in

849
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: terms of the wildlife habitat? I mean, are they are

850
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: they actually trying to make it not good wildlife habitat? Yeah,

851
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: So that's part of the steps of being an airport biologist.

852
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: So one of the first things we do is, you know,

853
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: observing wildlife and serving wildlife. We look at the habitat,

854
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: so we look at the airfield as a hole in

855
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: the surrounding areas and we go, Okay, we're looking for food, water,

856
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: and shelter. Which of those three components are on the

857
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: airfield or near the airfield that are attracting wildlife? And

858
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: can we change that? Can we modify them? Can we

859
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: remove a forest? The type of grasses that are on

860
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: an airfield, you know, can we change that? Can we

861
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: make it a grass that geese don't like? Um, it's

862
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: just changing, you know, just the habitat to make it

863
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: less desirable for wildlife to be around. So you'd be

864
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: like that food plot that runs down the length of

865
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: the air has to go. Yeah, the corn feeder can't

866
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: be there anymore. But what ones have like a what

867
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: ones have great great habitat? I mean, but it's a

868
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: weird occupation to have to have to like interrupt habitat. Yeah,

869
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know a lot of airfields, you

870
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: know that we're built fifty hundred years ago. You know

871
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times they were just looking for land

872
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: that was wide and open, so allocatet wetlands. Nobody likes these,

873
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: so they would build on those. But obviously conservation efforts

874
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: and stuff have ramped up a lot in the last

875
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: hundred years and now we're going, ah, these are actually

876
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: really great habitats, and so it you know, we kind

877
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: of have to balance this of like, Okay, we need

878
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: to make sure the air field self doesn't have great habitat,

879
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: but also conserving what we have on the outside of

880
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: the airfield as well, just outside of our flight paths. Yeah,

881
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: because I imagine the mandate becomes a little bit different,

882
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: Like you could picture. In the old days, it'd be listen,

883
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: kill anything that might possibly come near an airplane, and

884
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: now there's a lot you know, we try to be

885
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: a little more surgical and delicate. Yeah, it's just a

886
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: lot more research and stuff too. I mean just the

887
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: technology in the research and technology that we've had throughout

888
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: the years, as well as just also increasing our understanding

889
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: of wild wildlife is on the airfields and what we

890
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: can do, Like you know, you can sit there and

891
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: try to shoot every duck that comes on. Why not

892
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: just remove that pond of water and now you just

893
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: removed all those future ducks from coming in. Yeah. Do

894
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: you ever have to get involved in the like, how

895
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: do you guys do if you get where you just

896
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: get like a deer infestation in some area? How has

897
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: it ever decided that you're going to have the mechanically

898
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: removed deer. So it kind of depends on where it's at,

899
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, what is the fencing situation. So that's another

900
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: stuff that we often take is just you know, creating exclusion,

901
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: creating barriers to make it harder for wildlife to get on. So,

902
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, you remove all that habitat, you remove those

903
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: forests and stuff off the airfield, you're adding fences up,

904
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: and when deer are on there, like, they are at

905
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: risk and they are hazards. So oftentimes we will remove

906
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: those individuals. And I know at my particular base, when

907
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: we were move them, we actually donate all the meat

908
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: and stuff, so is they're not wasted When you have

909
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: to remove a deer, is it like is it a

910
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: thing you're just sort of working away at or is it,

911
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, right now there's a deer that's presenting risk.

912
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: We need to go get the deer. So yeah, if

913
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: it's like right there, right on the runway rate within

914
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: that strike zone, like it's if if an airplane takes off,

915
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: that thing is going to be hit. We also try

916
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: to remove those. Yeah, how is that done? Oh we

917
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: just use firearms? Yeah, huh. Does every airport I'm a

918
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: little confused. We just need to and to straighten this

919
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: out for me. You have like a home base airport,

920
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: but you're also traveling around reviewing other airports. Does every

921
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: airport have a biologist? It's do Some airports have full

922
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: time biologists that are constantly working, constantly watching the skies

923
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: and that way when they see the flock, they radio in,

924
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: can you yeah. Yeah, So we cover eight hundred and

925
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: thirteen air fields across the United States agency as an

926
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: agency as USDA Wildlife Services, and so there's some airfields

927
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: that'll have full time people like me, Like your larger

928
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: airfields will have multiple you know, wildlife texts and wildlife biologists,

929
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: and then some might even just be Wildlife services going

930
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: in and telling, you know, teaching our airfield operations like hey,

931
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: this is kind of what you need to do if

932
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: you see a bird or see some wildlife and giving

933
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: those recommendations so that they can handle themselves if they're

934
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: a smaller airfield. But yeah, any FAA regulated airfield will

935
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: have some sort of wildlife management plan. Well, we're during

936
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: a normal day of work. You're not just sitting there

937
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: watching the skies and watching the runway now, So we'll

938
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: do patrols, we'll do like observations and like I said,

939
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: if I see a flock of geese flying over, I

940
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: will call tower and let them know. But you know,

941
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: we're doing a lot of those other steps of harassment.

942
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: So part of harassment is you know, scaring birds or

943
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: like professionals. So I think there was like a joke.

944
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, describe your profession badly, and

945
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm a professional bird shooter. Um, so

946
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: I shoe birds off the airfields, shoot you know, go

947
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: away birds, and using um pyrotechnics so glorified we shoot

948
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: like glorified bottle rockets at birds. So if you have

949
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: flocks of birds, flocks of geese and stuff on the airfield,

950
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: we'll just harass them off. We use bird cannons. Just

951
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: how's your accuracy? You got it? You gotta do it

952
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: enough to where you can refine glorified bottle rocket, right. Yeah.

953
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 1: So like our pyrotechnics, the ones that we use, they're

954
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: like like a revolver and so it's just you know,

955
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: you're not shooting it at the birds, you're just shooting

956
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: them in the proximity to make it uncomfortable for them

957
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: to be there, and they'll take off. My old man

958
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: had a big gallon size ziplock when I was a kid,

959
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: probably wasn't even ziplock. He had a giant plastic bag

960
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: someone had given them. You shoot him up A twelve

961
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: gage shotgun. Oh yeah, Oh yeah, we use some airfields

962
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: will use those. Um, we use them up in Alaska

963
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: because a lot of the birds that we're working with

964
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: up there, you know, they're so you have Lake Hood

965
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: out there, which is the world's largest plane lake, and

966
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: so you'll have ducks and stuff. They're way out in

967
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: the middle of the lake and so you can't really

968
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: reach them. So we had to use those. You know,

969
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: it was a break action that we would. You guys

970
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: get involved in that. What was that they get involved in?

971
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: Scaring them off lakes for floatplanes. Yeah, so that's part

972
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: of Anchorage National Airport. That's their floatplane lake. A million

973
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: times you guys will scare birds off that. Yeah, it's

974
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: still a hazard. Here's one thing I don't get about

975
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: this though, running around an airport with a shotgun, if

976
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: that's concerning. Everybody knows I'm out here right and I'm

977
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: on the same team just triple checking today. If a

978
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: plane okay, a plane's haul and ass and and burt

979
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: at what foot at? What was that acronym? Hl agl uh?

980
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: The plane takes off but his he's left airport and

981
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: his wheels are still right like scraping the ground. How

982
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: many miles out is the plane by the time it

983
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: hits a thousand agl I'd have to look that up.

984
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure way ass out there? So how does

985
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 1: does your jurisdiction extent? Like let's say this, Let's say

986
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: I live a mile from the airport and I say, man,

987
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start planting waterfowl food, I'm gonna do all

988
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: kinds of habitat improvement. I'm going to make the duck

989
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: hangout of all duck hangouts. So yeah, so part of

990
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: the job we do what So we'll put out recommendations,

991
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: be like, hey, like this is what's going on. We

992
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: do have like safety zones outside of airfields as well,

993
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: so you hold some jurisdiction the airfield does not while

994
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: I services but yeah, yeah, yeah, so just so you

995
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: can go bang on the guy's door and be like

996
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: you gotta cool it on the ducks. The airport maybe

997
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: the airport, but again we'll just give recommendations. And oftentimes

998
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: if you explain to someone like Okay, what you're doing,

999
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: this is what could happen often there. You know, Okay,

1000
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: I can understand that. Do you ever need to go

1001
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: have those conversations not at my current base now? Yeah,

1002
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: and you're assigned out like you're assigned out all over

1003
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: the place to go do airport assessments. Like my profession

1004
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: or like my career has just taken me all over

1005
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: the place. So I've worked in seven air fields in

1006
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: five different countries. Yeah. You and Yanni were talking about

1007
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: hanging out in Latvia. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm currently a

1008
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: Selfridge Air National Guard base, which is just outside Detroit, Michigan,

1009
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: and our sister base is in Leovard, Lafia, And so

1010
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: I've had the opportunity to go out there twice, and

1011
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: then my counterpart has been able to come to Michigan

1012
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: as well. Are there any major differences, like any any

1013
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: safety things that are concerns in Europe VERSUS and not

1014
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: concerns in the US vice versa, where like in the

1015
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: US they'd be like, oh, make sure there's no geese here,

1016
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: and then Europeans are like, oh, who cares about geese

1017
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: anything like that. I mean, everything is going to be

1018
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: are if it's on the airfield. So maybe not so

1019
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: much as they don't consider it a concern, but they

1020
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: just have different concerns. So in Latvia you have those

1021
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: the white storks, which are really large bird. They really

1022
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: like the airfield and they're really protected as well, so

1023
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, just trying to keep them off the airfield

1024
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: there and they just aren't They don't scare very easy.

1025
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: They're completely non lethal over there, so it's not something

1026
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: that you know, we can lethally remove. So it's just

1027
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, learning the behavior of the bird and when

1028
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: we harass it or chase it down, like what it's

1029
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: going to do, and trying to get it out of there. Yeah,

1030
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: do you find around the country do you find that

1031
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: there are very different perspective as people have about In

1032
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: some areas they kind of got like a kill them

1033
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: all that God sort them out attitude, And in some

1034
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: areas they're very concerned about not harming anything or not

1035
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: scaring anything. So that like cultural aspects are definitely a

1036
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: part of you know, airfield management. So when you have

1037
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in a country that has sacred animals,

1038
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: you got to be very conscious of that, like, hey,

1039
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm in this country and a white pigeon is a

1040
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: sacred animal. Like, let's not do anything to those guys.

1041
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, being cognizant of where you

1042
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: are and what you're doing. But you know, everything we

1043
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: do is you know, we can justify. So when I'm

1044
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: doing you know, starling removal on my airfield and people

1045
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: are like, oh, what are you doing with those? And

1046
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: it's like, well, those are an invasive species and they

1047
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: compete with twenty seven of our native species, nobody argues

1048
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: like and then you know it is a safety aspect.

1049
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: So when you say this, you know these birds or

1050
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: this wildlife could cause you know, a strike or it

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01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: can cause damage from aircraft and you know the very

1052
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: very rare cases of fatal crash. You know, when the

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01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: name of safety not made, people argue with it. How

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01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: do you get rid of a bunch of starlings? So

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01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: we have different traps and stuff that we can use.

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01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: Um So we have as a starling trap, which is

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: it's just a large cage with a funnel on top

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01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: and we put in different feed and stuff that when

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01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: they get inside of it again, they can't figure out

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01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: how to get back out. Yeah, just set it out,

1061
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 1: so you're like catching handfuls them out of time. Yeah.

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01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: And then as well as the other thing that we

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01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: like to trap our raptors, so hawk owls and falcons,

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01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: So we have live traps for those are modified specific

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01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: four raptors. And this is something I get to do

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01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: a lot in Michigan. And so when we catch these birds,

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01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: we catch them live. And how do you catch them?

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01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: So we I guess the most popular one is our

1069
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: gossac trap. So the best way to explain it is

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01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: we'll use like a pigeon and we put it in

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01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: a cage and then on the top of it we

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01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: put this trap. That is the doors are opened with

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01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: springs and there's a trip pole that hold it open.

1074
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: And so when this raptors flying around and sees that pigeon,

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01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: it'll come down, it'll hit that pole, clothes and so

1076
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: pigeons in the bottom, he's totally fine. Well, be a

1077
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: little traumatized because then he's got oh heste yeah. Yeah.

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01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: So then when we catch these raptors, we put a

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01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: federal band on them and then we work with our

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01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: states to find suitable habitat for these guys. So we'll

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01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: fly or I'll drive them out hour hour and a

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01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: half away from the airfield and release them and hopefully

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01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: that they don't come back. Do you very often just

1084
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: catch the same bird on occasion? I think it's less

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01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: than a ten percent recapture, right, It just kind of

1086
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: it's effective moving them how far I usually drive like

1087
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: an hour hour and a half. It still doesn't seem

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01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem like you'd thrown It seems like he'd

1089
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: be back before you got back, right. It just depends

1090
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: on the birds. So is it If it's like an

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01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: adult bird that this has been their territory for years,

1092
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: chances are those are guys are going to come back

1093
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: where a lot of birds, you know, if they're young especially,

1094
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: they're going to fly back and when they see that airfield,

1095
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: they're like, I remember what happened there last time, And

1096
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: they're out there talking about that. What that pigeons day

1097
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: is like? Right where he here's that thing gossip caught

1098
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: a trap right above him and he's got to hang

1099
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: out there. We had a guy on the show that

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01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: was doing work with ocelots, so it's like a souped

1101
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: up little cat like a spotted like a jaguar. The ocelots,

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01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: so they use they'll put they put their traps out

1103
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: and they put two roosters. They'll set two traps with

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01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: the rooster in each trap as bait, and they get

1105
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: to cock, they get to talking to each oart so

1106
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: it's making a lot of racket. And then the ocelot

1107
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: gets caught, but he's got a little little cage that

1108
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: separates the rooster from the ocelot, and then that rooster

1109
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: has to hang out there for however long with that cat.

1110
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's gotta be like a fatal

1111
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: level of fear. But he said, man, I got, I

1112
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: got roosters have caught multiple cats. But just imagine when

1113
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: we gotta run around with that biologist in California trapping

1114
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: mountain lions years ago. Now, they had a live quail

1115
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: that they would use for you know, luring in a

1116
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: mountain line into these big cage traps that they had

1117
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: to use. That works. I just I thought it was

1118
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: hilarious because I was like, there's no way this works

1119
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: because in California, like the amount of signage that they

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01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: had to have up saying like this quail is being

1121
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: very well cared for. Please don't release that. Don't worry

1122
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: about this quail. Yeah, yeah, very happy. Like this doesn't

1123
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: seem like it's worth the effort, Like cat has to

1124
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: figure this out. You ever had to get rid of

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01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: a cat, bobcat or line off a cougar? No, not

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01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: any of the places I've worked. Now, feral cats. There's

1127
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: got to be a lot of feral cats around airports. Yeah,

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01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean I see them on occasion, but they're not

1129
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: enough for me to be like, ah, these guys are

1130
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: going to be causing a strike. You mentioned that porcupines

1131
01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: can cause a lot of stir Yeah, up in an Anchorage, Alaska. Porcupines.

1132
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: It's probably like one of my favorite things to catch.

1133
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: So I'm sure Tower probably loves watching whileye services employees.

1134
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: So when you see a porkypine, you take a tub

1135
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: with a lid and you run with it usually above

1136
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: your head, and you're chasing this porkypine down and eventually

1137
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: you'll catch out to it. You drop the tub on it,

1138
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,439
Speaker 1: and you grab the lid and you slide it under,

1139
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: you flip it, and that's how you could catch a porcupine.

1140
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: And but these guys, yeah, if they're up on like

1141
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: the runways and stuff, they can actually pop tires. What

1142
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: do you do with the porkupines? We'll just relocate them.

1143
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: How many porcupine is? He's probably whatever, you know, just

1144
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: keep slowly moving. There's so like I don't want to

1145
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: call them oblivious, but they're just easy going man, easy

1146
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: going animals. What back to, like the social acceptance thing?

1147
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: What is the Have you ever get witnessed something that

1148
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: like straight out of like the movie Airplane or National

1149
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: Lampoom in regards to an animal strike on the runway.

1150
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: I've never seen either of those. I don't know read

1151
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: that old geez there were two apocalypse now, don't worry

1152
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: about like, um, there's never been like a strike on

1153
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: the runway where folks are you know, sitting, are ready

1154
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 1: to take off and it's like grape jelly across all

1155
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: the windows at one point or something like that. Yeah,

1156
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure that could. I mean, yeah, when the bird

1157
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: gets hit, it's just like again, if you hit like

1158
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: a bug with your car, like they splat, that's a snarge.

1159
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: Oh you know what you did? Do it? Tell us

1160
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: the moose story? Oh, yeah, so when I so after

1161
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 1: I left Cots of You, I went and worked in

1162
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: South Africa for a little bit volunteering, and then came

1163
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: back to Anchorage. And when I was an Anchorage, I

1164
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: got to do more of the hands on direct control.

1165
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: And they're mixing it up with porcupines. Yeah, yeah, working

1166
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: with the porcupines. And I got a call that there

1167
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,480
Speaker 1: was a moose going on and they were damaging airfield

1168
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: property and I was like what, And it was the

1169
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: middle of the rut, and I show up and sure enough,

1170
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 1: there were two huge bulls fighting. But they were fighting

1171
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: on each side of a chain link fence and it

1172
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: was an airfield fence, so one got on the inside

1173
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: and one got on the out and they were just

1174
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: hitting each other so hard, and every time they'd hit

1175
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: that fence, you were just ping, ping, ping, ping, just

1176
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: coming off like all the wires and stuff. And I

1177
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: couldn't get them to pull apart. I mean, they were

1178
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 1: just raging to stopsterone bowls, and so it was kind

1179
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: of the fence through the fence, and so it just

1180
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: kind of turned into just getting people to stay back,

1181
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: and because people were wanting to get pictures, they were

1182
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: trying to get closer, and it was like, ah, these

1183
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: guys are not safe. Well, one of them, as they were,

1184
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, growing at it, got his antler caught up

1185
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: in barbed wire, and the barbed wire ended up you know,

1186
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: from every move back and forth, they kept getting tangled

1187
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: and tangled. So we end up having to call the

1188
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: Laska State Game to come in and trank liz Us

1189
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: moose because I mean it was he was just covered

1190
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: in this barbed wire after an hour. And this was

1191
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: I was twenty two, so I was just bright eyed,

1192
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: bushy tailed, fresh into the wildlife field and moose are

1193
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: my favorite animal by far, and so I was just like,

1194
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: can I help, And they're like, yeah, here's the clippers

1195
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: you can clip off the wire. And I was so

1196
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: excited and so we get the moose down. I run

1197
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: up to it. I'm clipping all the wire and the

1198
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: biologist was like, yeah, I just can't a run your

1199
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: fingers through the firm make sure there's no large gashes.

1200
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: And the best way I can explain this is that

1201
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: in a Jurassic Park, when the couple go to the

1202
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: park for the first times out of very familiar with

1203
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: so they see that try saratops and it's on the

1204
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: ground and the guy gives it a big hug and

1205
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: it takes that deep breath. I did that with a

1206
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: moose and it was the greatest day of my life.

1207
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: And so we were able to get the barbed tire

1208
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: off of it, you know, we're able to put the

1209
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: reversal ind and he was able to get up and

1210
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: walk away. That's cool wild. But oh, my backtrack a

1211
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: little bit. So when this moose was covered in barbed wire,

1212
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: he eventually stopped fighting the other moose because he was

1213
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: just more concerned with this barbed wire. Though he's been licked, right, yeah,

1214
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: So I mean he's just shaking his hand, he's trying

1215
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: to get it off, and like I said, there's a

1216
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: lot of people all, you know, spectating, and he was

1217
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: rubbing up against a bush trying to get this barbed

1218
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: wire off. And there was this car parked next to

1219
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: this bush, and he walks right up to this car

1220
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: and this lady has her falling out. She's just taking

1221
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: pictures and he just rubs himself across the side of

1222
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: her car. And I was like that insurance claim, He's

1223
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: gonna be great. Like what happened all this moose try

1224
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: to rub barbed wire off on my car. Yeah yeah,

1225
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: you imagine the skepticism. Yeah wow, No kid, You know

1226
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: I had a thing. I put it on Instagram, but

1227
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about on the show. Is

1228
01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: this guy sitting in in Ohio three perfectly fine deer,

1229
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 1: like a really nice buck, a nice buck and a

1230
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: doe dead in a pile and it had there It

1231
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: was a down power line and these two bucks must

1232
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: have been duking it out and there was a dough

1233
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: there and one of them hit that power line with

1234
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: its antler and just in a pile. Wow. Well, and

1235
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: they said that they got to the fire department, got

1236
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: the skulls and got them cleaned for to decorate the firebarn,

1237
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: and a dude down the road took all the meat,

1238
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: which leads me to my next question. I'm not gonna

1239
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: ask you a question. I'm gonna ask you this because

1240
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: so you have a you have a job, and you

1241
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: want to keep your job, and no doubt, there's like

1242
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: certain things you just don't talk about. I'm gonna tell

1243
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: you a story before I ask the question. A friend

1244
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: of mine I can't name them, used to do fish

1245
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: surveys um for this well for our home state used

1246
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: to do fish surveys in Michigan and they would have

1247
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: to do nets surveys just to count what was in

1248
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: the lake, right, but they were not allowed to utilize

1249
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 1: the resource because they felt that it was a conflict

1250
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: of interest. So they would go and do these net surveys,

1251
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: and then he would go out and they had a

1252
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: spot out in the woods where they would have to

1253
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: dump it all. So he would come home, get his

1254
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:29,839
Speaker 1: own vehicle, get his cooler full of ice, and promptly

1255
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: zip back out there and get all the whitefish and

1256
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: northerns and perch and get them all filaied up and

1257
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: give them out to everybody. Question being if I asked

1258
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,879
Speaker 1: you if you ever eat the stuff that you control,

1259
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 1: would you be able to answer honestly or would you

1260
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: probably not answer honestly? Yeah, No, honestly we don't. So

1261
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we control, well no, no,

1262
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: So like when we like when we shoot deer, we

1263
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: donate all that meat, so it actually goes to food

1264
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: for hunger, donate the meaning so do you have to

1265
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: do all the field dressing? So yeah, we have to

1266
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: um field dress it. But then the butcher will do

1267
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: all the processing, so you gotta go fiel dress. Yeah, well,

1268
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. So you dragged the gut

1269
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 1: pile off to the side of the runway, A bunch

1270
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: of big ass vultures land on there. Old Souley comes

1271
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: in and what hits a vulture? Do you ever think

1272
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: about that? Well, I wouldn't dress it right next. Yeah,

1273
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: you don't want to put anything like attractive next to

1274
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: your runaway, so yeah, no, we would you describe the

1275
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: white starks and labba as a tender meat. That'd have

1276
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: been a better way to do it. Yeah. Yeah, Like

1277
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: which region were you? So? Do you like the deer

1278
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: meat that you take? No? So you guys will you

1279
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: guys will fin you'll you'll be responsible for getting it

1280
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: dressed yep, and bring it to a butcher yep. Yeah.

1281
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: So then it gets donated and then it just depends again.

1282
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: It's all region. So when I was in Alaska, even

1283
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: all the ducks and stuff that we caught, we wou

1284
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: address him and then they would get donated to the

1285
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 1: elders of the community. You're kidding, huh. That's a lot

1286
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: of extra work. That's cool, It's worth it, though, it's

1287
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: better than just tossing them all the time. I'm telling

1288
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: their story about my same friend that I can't mention

1289
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 1: his name. He later in life had a job as

1290
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: a surveyor and they were surveying a place one time

1291
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: and it was full of He found someone's little weed plantation.

1292
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: This is pre pre when everybody loved weed, like when

1293
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people still hate a weed, like the cops.

1294
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: He finds a giant where a guy's growing a giant

1295
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: thing of weed, and they're surveying it, and he keeps

1296
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: an eye on this area and pretty soon they go

1297
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: they clear it. Dozers come in to clear the lot.

1298
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: So just like he did with those fish, he then

1299
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: snuck back out there at night and got all the

1300
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: weed that the bulldozers, that got all the buds that

1301
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: the bulldozers had cleared off into the back end of

1302
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: the debris pile, and brought all that home. I think

1303
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: about that. That's a good gig. No, this guy's very

1304
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: a job. I'll say one more thing. He told me.

1305
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: They would go into the up where you're familiar with surveying,

1306
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: and sometimes they'd be surveying in the wintertime and they're

1307
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: out and all that seedar swamp, you know, and they'd

1308
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: cuddle line way through the woods and the deer would

1309
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: be you know, let deer have a hard go of it.

1310
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 1: And those winners up there and those deer would know

1311
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: they would come to a sound of a chainsaw and

1312
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: you'd clear a big line to shoot a line. So

1313
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: you'd like clear it all through the swamp and you

1314
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: get your two things, those little looking holes in there

1315
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: that you look through the line them up when you

1316
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: survey in, and the deer would flood in so much

1317
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: to the sound of the chainsaw that you couldn't shoot

1318
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: the even though you cleared the line, you couldn't shoot

1319
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: the line because so many deer would be in that thing,

1320
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: and they'd have to have a person such as yourself

1321
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: trying to clear the deer out to be able to

1322
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: survey the thing. That's amazing. It's an amazing story. You

1323
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: like that story, Phil loved it. I just have a

1324
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: question about any stats that you have of like yearly

1325
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: or over the course of a number of years, like

1326
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: the costs to airlines of damage. Yeah, so the average

1327
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: right now is about two hundred and eight million um

1328
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: it did it has gone up, So this is like again,

1329
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: this is like an average between the last thirty years.

1330
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's going up a little bit more.

1331
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: But it's just I mean, it's our planes are getting faster.

1332
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: We're flying a lot more. Again, there's one hundred and

1333
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand flights in a week. That's that's just

1334
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: in the United States. That's not across the world. And

1335
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 1: we've been hitting birds forever. So the first documented bird

1336
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: strike was Orville right in nineteen oh five, right to it. Yeah,

1337
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 1: he wrote in his diary that he hit a red

1338
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: being blackbirds. So this is not anything new. It's just

1339
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: our aircraft are getting faster. We're in the air Moore

1340
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 1: were sharing those these guys like it's just going to happen.

1341
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: Did he refer to it as snarge? I think he did.

1342
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: When when did I guess the airport biology become h formalized,

1343
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: just like a job within the USDA to even have

1344
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, have this be a position. Yeah, I think

1345
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: it was in the early nineties, And it was that

1346
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: strike that happened in Alaska, that was that fatal strike,

1347
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 1: and that fatal strike was um it was a military

1348
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: aircraft and it was brought the whole aircraft was brought

1349
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: down by a flock of geese and it killed everybody

1350
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: on board. There was like over thirty souls, and so

1351
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: that was kind of a big jump with like, Okay,

1352
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 1: we need to do something about this so this doesn't

1353
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: happen again. That's when they recognized it as Yeah, even

1354
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:50,799
Speaker 1: though that's so funny, that was his name was Wilbur Orville.

1355
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: Orville was will Who the hell? Oh no? Those two brothers,

1356
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: the brothers, Yeah, okay, yeah, the two brothers, which one

1357
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: which one of the brothers had a red wing blackbird

1358
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: or and I think he did his first flight in

1359
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: nineteen oh three. Yeah, it's amazing those like he like

1360
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: identified it. Did he write about it as have you

1361
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: ever read his journal? Did he write about it as, oh, hey,

1362
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: if we get into this flying thing, this is gonna

1363
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: be something to keep in mind. I think it was

1364
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: just a really brief mention about the fact that he

1365
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: hit or read being blackbird out and when he was

1366
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: in I think Dayton, Ohio. Yeah. Yeah. If you if

1367
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: someone if someone comes you and says, man, I want

1368
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 1: to get a job as an airport biologist, do you

1369
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: do you say good luck? Or are you like, oh,

1370
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: you just gotta do X, Y and Z and you'll

1371
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: get the job. Yeah. So it's it's definitely a growing field.

1372
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: So it's just again as we're recognizing more and more

1373
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: need for it. You know, we have technicians, we have biologists.

1374
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we cover all the airfield or mostly airfields

1375
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: in the state or sorry, gosh, mostly airfields in the country,

1376
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: and so it's definitely growing. A lot of people just

1377
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: don't know that we exist. So I mean, like wildlife

1378
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: tech positions, they are open quite often. And if you're

1379
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: ever interested getting into this field, as long as you're

1380
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: willing to move around, it's like how I moved right

1381
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,560
Speaker 1: to Alaska. Once you're that foot is in the door, like,

1382
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: you can pretty much you can live anywhere in the

1383
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: country really, because every airfield needs somebody like us. Yeah.

1384
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: And then it's a it's a federal salary deal yep,

1385
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: it's good healthcare. Yeah. Then you gotta worry about when

1386
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,799
Speaker 1: the government shuts down. Nope, because we are considering emergency personnel.

1387
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: You need to worry about that. So when that happens,

1388
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: and when that happens coming up here, you'll just you'll

1389
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: still be out there cranking away. Oh yeah, because they're

1390
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:38,520
Speaker 1: still flying. Yeah, I got you. Uh does every airport

1391
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 1: have to use the federal agencies? Like, let's like, why

1392
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: does an O'Hare airport or some giant ass airport like that?

1393
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: They don't do in house like you guys do that work.

1394
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: There are some private agencies that do it as well.

1395
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: Just with a federal we get the federal expertise, and

1396
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 1: we are wildlife professionals and you know, we don't have

1397
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: inherent authority like we don't we're not a regulated service,

1398
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: so we do work closely with US Fish and Wildlife Service.

1399
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: We work with the state agencies to get permits and stuff. Um,

1400
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: so we have the ability to really you know, trap

1401
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: and relocate raptors and working with all the migratory birds

1402
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, do you You know what I also

1403
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: want to ask you about is do you are you

1404
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: from with a thing called avatroll like an avian like

1405
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: an avian poison. Yeah, I've like I've heard of it,

1406
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: but that's not something that you guys use are allowed

1407
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: to use. I hear people use it for street pigeons. Yeah,

1408
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: we don't use it in myerfields. No, no, but what

1409
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: like what is it? I don't know because I hear

1410
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 1: people refer it like uh like um like rat poison

1411
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: for pigeons. You don't have any exposure to that. I

1412
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: don't personally have any experience using it. See that's you

1413
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: guys can't get like you guys can't get like medieval

1414
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: like that with with poisons. Um not for me personally, No, No,

1415
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: I just don't have the experience. Do you guys have

1416
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: issues with iguanas? Let I say we have iguanas in Michigan. No, no, no,

1417
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean not in Michigan. No. But you know, I

1418
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: guess what are the top like maybe other than birds,

1419
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: the top disruptive critters that we maybe wouldn't think I

1420
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: think additionally, Yeah, so I know, like white tail deer

1421
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: and coyote are going to be our two highest mammal strikes.

1422
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah really yeah. They love airfields. What does the picture

1423
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: of being a little I don't know, spooked or like

1424
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: a little sly, you know, like like I don't get

1425
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: off because they because there's a bunch of out there,

1426
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: they're they're hunting, all their presources are right on that airfield. Really,

1427
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: short grass vowles my stuff, like yep, exactly what do

1428
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 1: you do to get rid of them, are usually trapping.

1429
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: How do you catch well? You do, yeah, seriously, So

1430
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 1: you gotta make a little dirt hole set alongside the runway,

1431
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 1: not exactly alongside the runway, but yeah, I mean because

1432
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: you're not focusing just on that runway. I mean you're

1433
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 1: using the entire de of the airfield properties, and so

1434
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: it's you know, finding their habitat and stuff and where

1435
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: you get to do a little kyote trapping too. Okaid,

1436
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 1: what else do you gotta catch like that? Using like

1437
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: old school stuff boxes? Yeah, some air fields probably, Yeah,

1438
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: I will catch boxes and stuff too. It's just again,

1439
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 1: every air fields different. So it's really just whatever is

1440
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 1: prevalent at your airfield and running around your airfield. So

1441
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: let's say you call it a bobcat, You're probably gonna

1442
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: move them somewhere. I think Bob's cats are pretty sly.

1443
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: Like you just said of kayotes, I've never heard of

1444
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: any bobcats causing issues on an airfield. But again, I've

1445
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: never been in a region that had bobcat issues like that.

1446
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: Coyotes and deer deer, I could definitely picture snowy owls. Yeah,

1447
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: snowy owls are probably one of the big things this

1448
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: time of year. So that's the other thing is just

1449
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: every time of year, seasonally, you're gonna have different things

1450
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: that you're after. So this time of year in you know,

1451
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: in Michigan and a lot of these like the northern

1452
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,560
Speaker 1: Lower States, all the snowy owls will come from the

1453
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 1: Arctic and they migrate down and when they come down here,

1454
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: they're trying to find something that is as close to

1455
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: their habitat as possible. What's the closest thing to the Arctic.

1456
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: They want something wide open and flat. So when I

1457
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: tell when people are like I really want to see

1458
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: a snowy owl, I'm like, go to your local airfield

1459
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: because they love it there. And then when they're down

1460
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: there or when they come down here, they they love

1461
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: the airfield. Maybe if there's not a whole lot of snow,

1462
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna watch sun something white and a lot of

1463
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: runway lines are white, and so they'll hang out on

1464
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: a US sit on the runway, they'll use the signs,

1465
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: they'll just and then great, there's just tons of like

1466
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: voles and mice and like it's like a buffet out

1467
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: there for them. How do you catch one of those

1468
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,799
Speaker 1: using those raptor traps. What do you bait it with pigeons?

1469
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: Do you ever get a snowy owl that you've banded

1470
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: it in a litt skill that shows up on an

1471
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: airfield in the lower forty eight um. Not necessarily out

1472
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,799
Speaker 1: of Alaska, but there are times that we will ban something,

1473
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: relocate them, and then they'll get picked up into another

1474
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: airfield because again it's just they love that wide open

1475
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 1: flat area. So they just airfield hop are sandhill crane's

1476
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: an issue? Yeah, so I have them on occasion, but

1477
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: I have heard, you know, in other states that they

1478
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: can you know, they'll come across and like large flocks

1479
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 1: and stuff. Probably picture that taking a plane down. Yeah,

1480
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: snargo come off one of those things, big long bones

1481
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: and stuff coming out of there. Oh oh, so when

1482
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: you're doing your foothold draps, I mean, air airfields are

1483
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: pretty busy places just from you know, my point of view,

1484
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: a landing on them and taking off and stuff. There's

1485
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,560
Speaker 1: like folks walking around all so do you kind of

1486
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: have to like I imagine there's a lot of communication, right, like, oh,

1487
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 1: there's foothold traps out here, so don't go walking out

1488
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 1: on this area to have lunch or something like that.

1489
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,600
Speaker 1: Or is there just a huge amount of ground that

1490
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: nobody ever walks on in an airfield. So yeah, most

1491
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: of the time it's just a huge amount of ground

1492
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: that people are just not around. But you put the

1493
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: signs out, you know, this is going what's going on

1494
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: on my base. You know, we work with security forces

1495
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: and let them know. You know, we'll let if there's

1496
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: an airfield that's got kenine units and stuff. We always

1497
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, we try to be cognizant of who may

1498
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: be coming around here, who may be attracted to the

1499
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: lures and stuff we're using. Yeah, so yeah, it is.

1500
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: You know, you're working with your airfield. You're working with

1501
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: your airfield operations, your airfild managers. You know, there's it's

1502
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 1: a whole team of people that are doing this. So

1503
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,919
Speaker 1: you know, we are the experts in doing the airfield

1504
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: managed wildlife management, but with airfield we have then actual

1505
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: airfield management who are out there all the time, so

1506
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,560
Speaker 1: they probably observe just as much as we do. So

1507
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: we do a lot of education and outreach with people

1508
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: across our base, people across the airfield. This last year

1509
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: I just started a I'm calling it the snow spot.

1510
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: So I put out flyers and was like, hey, who's

1511
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: the first person to see a snowy owl? Now this

1512
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: is my You know a lot of people are just

1513
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: birders and they're just excited to see a snowy But

1514
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 1: for me, it's like, this is great because the second

1515
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: snowy owl shows up on my base, I'm going to

1516
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: be notified about it and I can start managing for them.

1517
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: So just getting people involved is actually so a lot

1518
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: of times people are like, oh, you're trying to be

1519
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 1: hush hush. It's like for me, no, Like I love

1520
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: telling people what we do and educating people what we

1521
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: do because in turn it'll help us do our job.

1522
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: Cool if you go, if you go to do an

1523
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 1: interview like this, you gotta go get you probably just

1524
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: can't do it on your own, right, you gotta go

1525
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: get permission. Yeah, pretty much. It's hard to get permission, no,

1526
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: because we're not ashamed or we're not hiding anything that

1527
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 1: we're doing, And so getting to do stuff like this

1528
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: is a really great opportunity for people to know what

1529
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 1: we do because a lot of times it's a thankless job.

1530
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: I remember when I was in an anchorage there was

1531
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 1: there was a group of ducks along in a ditch

1532
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: along one of the runways. You know, A shot one

1533
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: of my techniques at them. They flew away, airplane landed.

1534
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: I happened to look up and it was one of

1535
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: my friends flying. I texted him and I'm like, I

1536
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: just saved your life. So, I mean, and it's people

1537
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 1: don't realize that we're out there and what we're doing.

1538
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: And you know, it's hard to be like, oh, yes,

1539
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: because of us, we prevent an x amount of strike,

1540
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: because it's it's a preventive thing. You know, we're just

1541
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: trying to reduce the amount of wildlife strikes. We can't

1542
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,600
Speaker 1: say we're never going to have a wildish strike, but

1543
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: we're hoping, as you know, those damaging ones will go

1544
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: down because you know, that's money for the airfield. That's money,

1545
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: you know, our government money and stuff too with new

1546
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: military aircraft. And then it's people's lives. I mean, if

1547
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: you have even like a small Cessna hit a large

1548
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: bird like that can bring it down. Yeah. Like a

1549
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 1: great proof of a great job is that there's no news. Yeah,

1550
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 1: it's yeah. I try to think of some way to

1551
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: brag it up. But it would be hard. It'd be

1552
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: like people that point out with TSA, like I don't know,

1553
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: does it really work? I'm like, I mean, has that

1554
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 1: happened since have we had that happened since TSA became

1555
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: of things? I see, like it seems like something's working. Yeah,

1556
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: because if he looks atistically, strike numbers have like gone

1557
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,799
Speaker 1: up exponentially. But it's because of that outreach and education

1558
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: that we're doing. It's hey, guys, like, if you see something,

1559
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: even if you're like, I don't know if this is

1560
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: a bug or a bird, snarge collected anyway, because we

1561
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: can decide that for ourselves. If this is just a

1562
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: bug and we can ditch it. But if it is

1563
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: a bird, it's you know, using that information and then

1564
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 1: we can get that information to then your return and

1565
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: you know, manage for it. Who actually collects that's just yeah, right,

1566
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: Like when your plane lands, you know there's like a

1567
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: cleanup crew that comes into the airplane. Is there like

1568
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 1: a snarge specimen collecting crew on the outside of the aircraft,

1569
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 1: not specifically, but there are the crews that are checking

1570
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 1: to make sure, you know, mechanics are working right and stuff,

1571
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: and so they're the ones that usually are going to

1572
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: collect them, So I work with you know, on my base,

1573
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: I'll work with our maintainers and stuff, making sure they

1574
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: have the kids collecting them appropriately. You know, don't wear

1575
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, gosh, wear gloves, don't try to touch things

1576
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: bare hand. Um, and just getting that information we can

1577
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 1: and then if we do we get like a whole

1578
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: bird and stuff we can just if we can identify it,

1579
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: like yep, that was an Eastern metal arc, We'll just

1580
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 1: swim in that a freezer and send it the Smithsonian

1581
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: some pictures. They're like, yep, it is, then we can

1582
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: dish the carcass it Does it throw off a whole

1583
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: plane's whole schedule when that happens, Like if that flight

1584
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 1: has to leave in forty minutes to go somewhere else,

1585
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: is it up too bad? We got to take care

1586
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 1: of this strike or whatever? Does it? Snarge is usually

1587
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: pretty depending on if it's just you know, a little

1588
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: snarge splatter, it's pretty quick just to clear up. If

1589
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: it's a damaging strike, you know, that could probably slow

1590
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: down the aircraft itself. But they're actually doing a lot

1591
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,759
Speaker 1: of studies right now on the economic impact of a strike.

1592
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 1: So if you have you know it a civilian and

1593
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: real busy o hair or something, and you have one

1594
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 1: an aircraft takeoff, hit some birds. They call in tower like, hey,

1595
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: I just hit some birds. I got to turn around.

1596
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure like if that caused damage. And so

1597
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 1: they turn around. Now all the aircraft that we're about

1598
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: to take off, we'll all pause because they're you know,

1599
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 1: they'll have a your wildlie professionals run out there and

1600
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,560
Speaker 1: make sure there's nothing that's that they can handle and

1601
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 1: take care and get out of the way. And then

1602
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: now that aircraft just got delayed, the one behind that

1603
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: one got delayed. The next thing. He knows this domino

1604
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: effect not only for those airplanes that are trying to

1605
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,799
Speaker 1: take off, but now all those passengers on that aircraft

1606
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: now they ought to rebook their flights. So there's actually

1607
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 1: a pretty un I mean they're working on it right now.

1608
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 1: I mean there's been some studies coming out, you know,

1609
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: trying to see what the economic impact is. You know,

1610
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: we can say damaging is two hundred and eight million,

1611
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: but like what about all those ripple effect costs? Right?

1612
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to do one of those analyzes around air

1613
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 1: Force one because like during Obama's two terms. I got seriously,

1614
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: seriously screwed. When they decide to land the plane. I

1615
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: mean no, I mean it has undo with who it

1616
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 1: was as president, but it happened to be. Then how's

1617
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: for anybody where I'm like, oh, where did they get off?

1618
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: I mean it close the airport down. And one time

1619
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:01,600
Speaker 1: I learned they close the airport down. Listen to this,

1620
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: They closed an airport. This is how audacious I think

1621
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: this program is. Someone should look into this. He lands

1622
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: in the big plane, okay, and he's going to make

1623
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: a stump speech for someone running for Congress. They shut

1624
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: the entire airport down for the plane to land, Get

1625
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: in a helicopter, take the helicopter to give a stump speech,

1626
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: a campaign speech, stays closed, comes back, helicopter lands, speech

1627
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: is over, gets on air force one, air force one

1628
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 1: leaves the airport, can resume flying. Wow. Now I traced

1629
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: the economic impact, and I was particularly incense because I

1630
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it was of national significance. It was

1631
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 1: a speech. Well, I guess you could have like a

1632
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 1: plane that would be otherwise taking off for landing, that

1633
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: would try to crash into the plane issue, right, Like

1634
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: I think but that's that's why I think, right, I

1635
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 1: felt as though if it was I felt as though,

1636
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 1: you can't do that to people, to go give a

1637
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: speech for a guy. Okay, I got it. I got

1638
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: over the anger. But I was like particularly angry for

1639
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 1: a while, and I said some things that probably would

1640
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 1: have put me on the UM no fly list or

1641
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: like the Secret Service whatever. You know. I was like,

1642
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: I was pretty mad. Man, that was pretty bad out

1643
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 1: shape about it? Yeah, like fly someplace to diffuse some

1644
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: international situation or make something better for everyone. Yeah, I

1645
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 1: can wait. That's great, man. You're gonna diffuse tensions with

1646
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 1: North Korea? You know, I can wait. I can wait.

1647
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna go give a speech for some Yahoo running

1648
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: for office yep, so we can lock up some sector

1649
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: in Iowa or yeah. Man, people got a place to go,

1650
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: they got things to do. Got it? You seem incredulous? No,

1651
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: I just I'm amused. Megan. You can play trivia? Yes,

1652
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 1: oh I got. I had one last question for you, though.

1653
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: Did you grow up hunting? Yes? Okay, yes, I did

1654
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: grow up. My I have an older brother that just

1655
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 1: wasn't into the hunting fish. Well, he does fish, but

1656
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: he was just not into that outdoorsy thing. And so

1657
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 1: when I came around, my Dad's like, it's gonna be you.

1658
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 1: Oh really, So he took me out hunting and I

1659
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: was real little, and you know, it just gave me

1660
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 1: some hostess, you know, cupcakes and stuff. We're like to

1661
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 1: sit here quietly. Your brother wasn't into it, and your

1662
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 1: dad was cool. Your dad like it took you on. Yep.

1663
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Do you look him back on it? Do you think that,

1664
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 1: let's say your brother had been into it, would you

1665
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: have gotten the same opportunity or would your dad have

1666
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: been Oh no, this I got my boy and that's

1667
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: my hunting body and you'd got left in the dust.

1668
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: Or do you think he would have either way of

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01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: giving you the opportunities. Oh, I'm pretty bullheaded, So I

1670
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: probably would have still tried to join because it was

1671
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: interesting me. Right. So it's just something that interested me,

1672
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: and my dad capitalized on it. And it wasn't just

1673
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 1: the hunting and ching aspect. But you know, when I

1674
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: went out to I was like eight or nine years old.

1675
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: We did this big road trip out to Yellowstone, hit

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01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: all the national parks and my mom had me and

1677
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: my fund all the way through. Yeah, but just like

1678
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, being out in nature getting to see all

1679
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: these like the megafauna and stuff. And my mom had

1680
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 1: me and my brother write essays about our trip, and

1681
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 1: I wrote in there how I wanted to like work

1682
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: in the wildlife sector like that, Like all right, yeah,

1683
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: I said, I think I wanted to be a National

1684
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: park ranger. But like I didn't you know to me

1685
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 1: at eight year old, like that was all the same

1686
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 1: any but it was in the wildlife fields. Like I've

1687
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 1: known what I wanted to do since I was a kid.

1688
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Were you big into Independence Day celebrations too, fireworks? Yeah,

1689
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 1: it really spoke to me. Yeah. So yeah, when you

1690
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 1: filled out your application, you'd be like, I love doing

1691
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: shooting off fireworks. I like shooting guns romaniac. Yeah. Did

1692
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: they when you applied, did you weigh in how you'd

1693
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: had Like did they care that you'd had hunting experience

1694
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 1: or did that? Was that inconsequential to them? Yeah? So

1695
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: with the work that we do in wildlife services, having

1696
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: those grounds definitely help because you just want people to

1697
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:03,560
Speaker 1: be comfortable with it. You don't want to give a

1698
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: firearm to somebody who has never touched one before, maybe

1699
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: be you know, really scared to hold one, and you know,

1700
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 1: not even just to shoot stuff. So having those backgrounds

1701
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: are definitely beneficial. Great, not necessary, but it definitely helps.

1702
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: Now back to trivia. Have you have you ever heard

1703
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 1: the trivia shell? Yeah, my husband and I have played

1704
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 1: trivia every week since it came out. WHOA and how

1705
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 1: do you do? Do you beat the Shelby Index? Do

1706
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: you beat like? Do you beat like krine? Do you

1707
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: beat cow? Everybody beats karne Um? I usually am right

1708
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 1: there with the Shelby Index, But disclaimer, I also I

1709
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 1: also pause it and think about it. So actually being

1710
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: in person, real time, I have no idea how all

1711
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: this is stressful. Yeah, so you're not. You don't know how.

1712
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 1: You don't think you're gonna like tear it up. You're

1713
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna hold your own. I'm gonna survive, Okay. And then

1714
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 1: have you coordinated with Spencer about what bone he's gonna

1715
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 1: throw you when he gives you like a bonus question.

1716
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance to talk to him yet,

1717
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: So how does he how does he? I don't understand

1718
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 1: how does he do this? Because yeah, we talked, we

1719
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: talked about her. He looked at the podcast. No you're

1720
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm a laugh if he's like, what snarge? Yeah, you know,

1721
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 1: when we record the pot, when we record the trivia

1722
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: show in a minute, I'm gonna be like, well, how

1723
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 1: do you know? Well, I know yesterday. That's happened once

1724
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 1: before where Spencer's not a part of not always a

1725
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: part of the podcast we do before trivia, and we've

1726
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: things would come up on that podcast that were the

1727
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 1: bone that Spencer eventually threw to the guests. That happened

1728
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 1: once or twice I've noticed. So yesterday the bone he

1729
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 1: threw was he just like the person was from Texas,

1730
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: So you had a Texas reservoir question. But I'm curious.

1731
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna dig in with him a little

1732
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 1: bit about how he's determining what to throw your way. Yeah,

1733
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 1: could be a host of good questions. Well, you're gonna stay,

1734
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna stick around. Yes, we're gonna need some lunch

1735
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: or something, and then we're gonna have a trivia Thanks

1736
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 1: for coming on. Thank you