WEBVTT - Gov. Jared Polis, Sarah Longwell & Ari Berman 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.200 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.360 today's best minds, and Donald Trump shared a video referencing 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.920 a unified Reich. We have such a great show for 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:20.720 you today. Colorado Governor Jared Paulus stops by to talk 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.400 to us about what's going on in his state. Then 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:28.240 we'll talk to Ari Berman about his new book, Minority Rule, 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.479 the right wing attack on the will of the people 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.040 and the fight to resist it. But first we have 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.839 the host of the Focus Group podcast, the publisher of 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:42.960 The Bulwark, Sarah Longwell, Welcome back to Fast Politics. Sarah Longwoll, Hey, 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:43.800 what's going on? 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:44.600 Nothing. 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.520 We were just talking about what we're going to talk 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:53.400 about and my anxiety about American democracy. I think we 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.080 should start by talking about something that is actually really 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:00.600 positive for Joe Biden. We're still seeing Nikki Haley winning 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.920 between sometimes as little as ten, sometimes as much as 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:08.640 thirty percent of the vote in the Republican primaries. She 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.920 has not been in this election for a number of months. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.479 It's like a zombie campaign. What do you make of that? 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.559 Well, the biggest coalition in American politics is an anti 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.959 Trump coalition, and I don't think it has anything to 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.080 do with Nicki Haley whatsoever. I just think voters are 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.080 when given an opportunity to vote against Donald Trump, there's 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.560 a highly motivated section of voters, many of whom are 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.959 in the Republican Party, who will turn out to vote 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.560 against Trump. And look, I've been saying this for a 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.600 while about the Nicki Haley voters. Some of those voters 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.880 are already voting for Joe Biden. Some of those voters 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.360 are going to come home to Donald Trump, and then 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.760 the rest we got to fight over because they are 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:49.720 the double haters. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:49.960 Man. 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.000 Those are the people who they don't like Joe Biden, 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:53.800 they don't like Donald Trump, they don't want to vote 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.760 for either guy. A lot of them are RFK curious. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.640 And this is the swing voter this time, is people 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.240 who are not happy with either person, which is why 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.600 it's going to be a super depressing campaign because it's 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:10.200 not about who anybody likes, It's not about anything affirmative. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.800 It is all who hates who more. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.080 It's one of the reasons that I think that Trump's 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.760 numbers are continuing to hold in a positive direction for him, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.480 not the country is because look, Joe Biden is top 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.280 of mind for people, and so they reach for him 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.520 with their frustrations over inflation or crime or immigration. And 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.680 Donald Trump as he sits in a courtroom and talks 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.680 about a hush money payment that was made back in 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.840 twenty fifteen, people are looking backwards on Trump. They're not 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.959 looking forward about what he might do. And I think 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.560 that that conversation. I'm not saying that the cases are 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.200 bad for Joe Biden or that they're good for Trump. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:52.640 I think a lot of people are saying, oh, this 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.680 is going to make people more motivated to vote for Trump. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.800 Anybody who's going to vote for Trump because he's in 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.120 court was already going to vote for Donald Trump. And 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.800 I think that if he is convicted on the margins, 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.320 it has some negative impact on Trump. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.280 Right, it doesn't have a positive impact. No, I think 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.840 that's an insane hill to die on. 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.160 Yeah, people get lost in the primary mindset, right, where 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.840 that everything that Donald Trump that's like weird about him 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.920 helps him, which is true in a primary, it's not 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:20.720 true in a general. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:21.120 It's not. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.080 Also, like Republican primary voters who are still with Trump 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:29.480 are a completely different breed than anyone else voting in 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:30.040 this election. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.520 Yeah, I mean, look, I say this all the time, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.480 as for me, as like a real bedrock of what's 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.080 happening right now, which is that the gap between what 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:42.280 Republican base voters want and what sort of moderate swing 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.760 voters will tolerate. That gap has gotten really wide. So like, 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.920 just let me give you one quick example. Town in 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.600 North Carolina. You got this guy Mark Robinson running for governor. 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.800 Dude is looney toots, right, He's a holocaust denier, says 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.680 gay people are filth, has some real weird views on women, 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:05.120 call the Parkland shooting kids prostitutes. So not a great dude. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.080 And he won the Republican primary in a landslip. He 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.560 won by sixty five percent the Republican primary, but he's 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.440 polling in the low forties. And the guy Josh Stein, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.320 who's kind of just a mainstream LIB running against him, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.080 is just trouncing him and all the polling, and we 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:21.520 just did a bunch of focus groups on this, so 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.240 what's top of mind for me? But that, to me 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.560 is a good illustration of this gap. But I'll give 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.880 you a negative theory that I'm holding onto that I've 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.520 started formulating from the groups, which is one of the 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:37.400 weird things byproducts of Republicans nominating just absolutely batshit crazy 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.800 candidates like Mark Robinson, like Kerry Lake, like herschel Walker. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:42.920 You know, there's a bunch of them in twenty twenty two. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.400 Is that Trump starts to look less insane by comparison 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.360 because they're so out there and so like in North Carolina, 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.040 Trump is still in every average, winning by about seven 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.040 percentage points, which means there's a ton of people And 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:56.640 I just talked to this group of people, a ton 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.640 of people who for whom Trump is totally acceptable and 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:00.760 Mark Robinson is not. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.720 That's strange, but real. Why do you think that is? 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.040 Some of its abortion people don't view Trump as extreme 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.440 on social issues. They think of him as sort of 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.240 a cultural moderate as a result of years of them 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.280 seeing him just in the media being well, they don't 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.839 think this is this guy of sexual morality, you know, right, 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.320 They think he's paid for abortions. People say that in 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.000 the groups all the time, and so like, they just 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.120 don't believe, which is which is one of Trump's superpowers, right, 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.799 He's able to weirdly hawk Bibles and hold them upside down. 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.080 And be like, see Christians on one of you, while 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.920 everybody who's more secular and moderate completely being like, yeah, 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.320 this guy's not a real Christian and he's not going 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.120 to do what the Mike Pence or Mike Robinson or 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.640 anybody else who's sort of deeply who's actually ideologically or 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.640 religiously committed to some of this stuff. 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:49.600 So, look, there's a. 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.760 Lot of bad news I think, both in the polling 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.240 and the focus groups right now. 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:55.320 So I want you to talk focus groups. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.599 I hate Paul's and I sure saying that's why I 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:58.240 do focus groups. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.560 Yeah, where are you focus grouping? And what are you seeing? 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.960 We're still it's early enough that we're still doing lots 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.120 of different places, but we're focused on the Swing states 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.640 more than anything else. We're talking to a lot of 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.080 these double haters, and we're also talking to a lot 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.760 of two time Trump voters who rate him very unfavorably. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.240 Because we're trying to figure out who's gettable. The reason 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.960 I was starting with sort of the directionally bad news, like, 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.440 look I see in the double haters or swing voters. 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.279 So these are people who voted for Trump and sixteen 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.840 voted for Biden in twenty if you do a group 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.200 of those, you know, there's usually a few of them 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.839 in the group who are either going back to Trump 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.000 or who want to vote for RFK and not Biden. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.599 On the flip side of that, though, there is a 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.520 whole new group of people. This is my most optimistic 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.640 thing that I've seen. There's a whole new group of 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.120 people who voted for Trump twice and will not vote 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.400 for him again. Now they won't vote for Biden. But 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.400 I suspect there's going to be a very large segment 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.480 of the Republican voting population that will leave it blank. 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.760 And a lot of those voters are kind of these Reagan, 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.279 Romney McCain Republicans who held their nose and votvoted for 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.680 Trump both times. But the insurrection, the lying about the election, 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.000 it was a last straw. And there's a lot of 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.160 these voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, and I hope 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.720 Nebraska too. And also my other optimistic piece is that 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.080 in some of these tough states like Arizona's a tough state, 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.200 the slide with Hispanics is going to hurt in Arizona. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.520 But Arizona's been trending toward Democrats. Carrie Lake is on 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.160 the ballot again, which is bad for Trump because she's 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:23.600 a nut. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.440 She's such a nut, she's the worst. 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:27.480 She's the worst. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.240 And like there will be people who vote for the 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.640 Democrat in that Senate race and vote for Trump. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.520 Insane. Yes, but here's the thing. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.800 They're going to get a ballot initiative about abortion in Arizona, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.640 and I think that's really gonna help. And so I 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.520 still think there's two keys to this election, to winning 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.840 it and saving democracy. One is I wish that RFK 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.560 wasn't in this race, because anything that splits up that 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.400 anti Trump coalition is bad. But if he's gonna be 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:54.840 in the race, and he's going to be on the ballot, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.080 then everybody better figure out how to make these voters 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.760 understand Democratic voters that voting for him is a terrible 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.880 idea and help Trump voters understand he's their guy. And 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.280 I think making sure that he works as a as 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.600 somebody who can peel off Trump voters is going to 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.520 be essential. Like we're just going to have to play that. 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.080 Game, right, And he is anti vax. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.320 He's anti vax. He's also sort of anti establishment. And 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.720 because I've done a lot of groups around RFK. One 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.560 of the things that's interesting about Republican voters in RFK 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.679 is that there's nothing they love more than a Democrat 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.000 who turns on other Democrats, right, they love it, and 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.000 so he has a lot to offer them. They also 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.240 hate a regular politician, they love an outsider, and they 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:36.600 love an insider outsider. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.000 That's a really good point. So RFK has a lot 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:39.720 for those voters. 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.120 And that's one thing you gotta do. You got to 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:42.319 make O RFK work for you. 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:44.520 That's going to be just a strategic game that people 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:45.880 are going to have to figure out how to play. 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:51.120 It's so interesting because clearly Trump has seen that Republicans 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.760 are RFK Junior curious, so he'll be less the guy 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.520 is a crazy liberal. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.240 You've heard that, right, of. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:00.760 Course, I've heard that. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.680 You know, Trump figured out a little belatedly that his 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.600 voters liked RFK. Now, some of Biden's do too, Like 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.200 there's just a lot of dams who are kind of like, oh, Kennedy, 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.400 he looks at a spry seventy, he looks younger than 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.160 Joe Biden, and then he likes the environments. There's some 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.240 of that and like you're just gonna have to that's 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.760 an education game. That is an affirmative education game you're 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.360 gonna have to do. And then here's the other thing. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.040 There's the other thing that's going to win this race, 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.040 save democracy, reelect Joe Biden. Which is one of the 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.839 reasons I like focus groups and not pulling. Is it 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.200 gauges intensity. And the thing about the double haters, we 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:32.800 call them that because they're people who don't want to 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.240 vote for either guy, but they don't actually hate Joe Biden. 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:36.960 They Donald Trump. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.400 They just are like about Joe Biden, like they just 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.400 make guttural noises about why this is their choice. Which 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:48.199 means that you got to run the hardest, toughest, relentlessly 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.800 negative campaign against Trump to help people understand what a 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:52.920 second Trump term's going to look like, the fact that 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:54.679 he's not gonna leave, the fact that he's going to 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.240 be a lunatic surrounded by other lunatics, and you gotta 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.440 go negative so hard every day, relent big saragate game. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.280 I think that people are going to have to like 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.720 stop kind of wringing their hands. You know, you can't 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.880 roll up your sleeves when you're wringing your hands man, 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:09.240 and you gotta go hard. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:14.360 It's interesting what you're saying, because Biden has definitely got 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.600 He's got two big problems here. 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.200 One is Hispanic support and. 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:23.480 The other is younger Black voters and younger voters too. 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.880 But I always think of younger voters are kind of 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.200 an oxymoron, right, like, you're going to get some of them, 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.079 You're not going to get all of them. They're young. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.280 But I know because I have a college kid who 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.560 I'm like, you have to go and fucking vote and 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.760 take as many people as you can. He goes to 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.360 a small college, but he told me there are two 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.440 people he thinks are going to go from his college 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.120 to vote, and I was like, oh Jesus Christ. But 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:49.160 the point is, I do think Trump is also hemorrhaging support. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:50.680 I mean, I think this is going to be like 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.160 the opposite of twenty twenty, you know, a lower turnout 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.720 election where it's still tight. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.360 You know, yeah, I mean, I think I think that 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.360 is a entirely plausible scenario. I think that enthusiasm is 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:07.680 really down overall, and the lower turnout election in the 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.360 off season elections, it's really helped Democrats because the people 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.600 who reliably show up to vote tend to be these 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.920 college educated suburban voters who increasingly vote with Democrats. It's 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.040 why you saw in Wisconsin the Supreme Court election, the 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.600 Democrat pro to Saowitz win by like ten points in 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.800 a place like Wisconsin right off your election. And so look, yeah, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.200 I mean you gotta hope that enthusiasm's really down for Trump, 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.520 that people either don't come out for him or they 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:34.200 leave it blank. 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:34.920 So it could be. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.320 Look, I don't know, and more importantly, we don't know 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.600 what's happening, and we just we know what we're seeing 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.960 right now more than you know one hundred and eighty 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:46.079 days from the election. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:47.800 Yeah. I mean, one of the reasons it's super hard 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.320 to predict is when you have two functional incmbents running 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.319 against each other, people don't feel like they need to 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:53.880 tune in. I mean, this is the thing with the 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.440 focus groups, Like people are they know Trump's in court 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.840 for one of the cases, but like they're not following it. 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.679 They're kind of like these two choices. You know, I've 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.520 been saying to people, it's like the voters have been 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.679 going through the five stages of grief, where like the 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.520 anger that these guys were running again, like that anger 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.920 is those Nikki Haley voters. It's Joe Biden's low approval numbers. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.840 There's the bargaining, which is the third party no labels stuff, 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.640 the RFK, the maybe Kamalo will step down, maybe Joe 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.640 Biden will still step down. There's like depression, which I 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:24.679 think we're in now. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.840 And I want to fact check myself. It's one hundred 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.440 and sixty eight days to the election, not one hundred 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:31.720 and eighty. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:32.520 Okay, cool. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.240 Anyway, My point is just like we're still a long 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.560 way from acceptance, and when we hit that phase, I 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.319 do think like we'll see things move, but like we're 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:38.840 not there yet. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.199 I also do think like democrats. 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.240 I was talking to a member of Congress today, one 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.200 of those members of Congress who's like a ranking member, 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.040 very smart, but not anyone you've heard of. And I 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.719 was like, you know, what's your taake on this right, 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.800 because there are so many members of Congress that have 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.000 the people no one knows who the fuck they are. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.040 Excuse my friend, I, what's your tea this? And he said, 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:05.920 you know, I see Democrats overperforming, but I also know 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.680 that Biden world takes us all very very seriously. And 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.760 is running a very disciplined campaign, which is why they're 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.240 going to Pennsylvania and they're going to Wisconsin, and they're 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.120 going to you know, but it is going to be 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.800 just a miserable one hundred and sixty eight days. 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.479 It is, and we're going to live with an extraordinary 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.000 amount of anxiety. But people want to know what they 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.680 can do. And some of it is like, you know, 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.920 be part of turning the vibes around. Go out there, 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.440 push hard for Biden, like there's no point in being depressed, 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.640 Like we got to do the work. Make sure you know, 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.360 Biden's most people's No, it's not their first choice, but. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.400 Got to dance with the guy who brought you. Yeah. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.200 And I also would like to add that he wasn't 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:46.120 necessarily the first choice in twenty twenty either, but the 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:51.640 coalition got behind him, I think largely because there was 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.440 a feeling that he was very electable against Trump. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:56.959 That calculus. 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.319 You know, he's a little older, I get it, Orgu's 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.719 foot whatever, but that calculus has not largely changed. I mean, 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.480 remember they tried an impeachment and it didn't work because 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.320 their their lead witness ended up in jail. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.920 Republicans, Yeah, I mean, I don't want to be a 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.560 super downer. I do think running with a record in 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.720 an anti incumbent environment, which we are just like perpetually 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.640 in now, like incumbentcy has lost some of its juice 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.160 that it used to have. But I still think Joe 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.920 Biden can win this. I am like less optimistic about 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.280 places like Nevada and Georgia, but I remain pretty optimistic 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:37.119 about Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, you know, Nebraska too, and Arizona, 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.400 and I think, you know, you just that's I don't 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.000 think anybody's getting fancy with Florida and North Carolina, but 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:43.280 that's what he's got to Do's got to hold those 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:44.040 blue wall states. 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.920 It's a tough Senate map, but it's a weird state map. 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:49.120 What are you seeing? 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.160 Do you have any hot takes on the Senate? 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:51.600 You know? 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.200 My biggest hot take is something we were talking about 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.400 on the focus group pod recently, which is politics is 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.520 changing quite a bit, and we don't have of a 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.480 lot of new examples sort of moderates being able to 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.560 win over the other party, like in these really red states, 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.880 like that's getting less and less frequent, where you've got 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.920 like a Democrat that gets elected in a super red state. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.760 But the places where it still happens or where. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.120 You can get a non Maga Republican elected is people 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:25.520 whose reputations precede the Trump era. And so when you 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.520 take a guy like Shared Brown or a guy like 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:32.359 John Tester, you just have a situation where their reputations 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.760 were forged before all of this stuff. And I think 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.600 that that who and I can give you like some 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.560 reverse examples of that, which is like a Mike the 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.600 Wine in Ohio who MAGA hates Mike de Wine because 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:46.680 he's kind of a moderate Republican, or even Kemp in Georgia. 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:48.520 You know, Kemp's been able to withstand it, and that's 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.680 because they forged their identities with their voters and their 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.400 relationships with their voters pre Trump. And I just think 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.760 that's true of Shared Brown, it's true of Tester. 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.240 Case in Pennsylvania. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.600 Yeah, in Pennsylvania. And so that I think is one 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:04.920 of the things that seems to. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.760 Help Tammy Baldwin though that's a good one, But I 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.920 think Minnesota being on the map is bullshit, Like Trump 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.240 trying to get Minnesota, like that's just a dumb news story. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.840 He's trying to bait people with Yeah. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.320 I don't think Trump's going to do well in Minnesota. 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.600 Yeah, they're smarter. They're smarter than that, I mean. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.680 Sarah Longwell, thank you so much for joining us. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.400 Yeah, thanks for having me. Love doing it. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.520 Spring us here and I bet you are trying to 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.160 look fashionable, So why not pick up some fashionable all 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:40.880 new Fast Politics merchandise. We just opened a news store 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:45.480 with all new designs just for you. Get t shirts, hoodies, hats, 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:51.560 and top bags. To grab some, head to fastpolitics dot com. 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:57.560 Jared Polis is the governor of Colorado. Welcome to Fast Politics, Governor. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.920 Paulas Molly, could you hear your voice? 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:06.040 You are the governor of Colorado, but you also have 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:10.240 a number of interesting things about you. You've been into 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:15.600 pot before pot was hot, Well not literally, Molly, not literally. Obviously. 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.119 This is the biggest, you know, scandal I have as 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.040 governor of Colorado's I've never actually tried it. So that's 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.080 now that I never have to run again, I can 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:23.840 confine with you. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.520 Pot legalization is now pretty much a thing. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.160 It kind of stems from like a basic value, bodily autonomy, 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.240 you know, choice, freedom of course, people should be able 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.040 to use marijuana recreationally just as they use alcohol. Doesn't 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.000 mean I'm pro alcoholic pro marijuana. These are choices people make. 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:41.720 People make good. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.320 Choices, bad choices, and different choices. It's up to everybody 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.280 to live their own lives. Obviously marijuana is part of that. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:47.800 And you're right. 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.760 I was at the pot party before it became the 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.800 popular party. I was always for legal marijuana back when 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.520 you know, Colorado was one the first date to do it. Actually, 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:56.720 I supported the ballot inshative. 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.520 Wait, so you're term limited out as governor, but you 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.280 still might run for something else. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.480 Well, two and a half years left, and I hope 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.280 my failure to try marijuana doesn't pull me down. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.639 But just because you can't run for governor again doesn't 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.280 mean you won't run for something else. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.040 Well, I mean, I not something I think about, LOLLI. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.560 But if I do, I don't think the lack of 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.480 trying marijuana will be the end of it. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.639 Yes, well, I've moved on from the marijuana at this point. 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:24.359 I'm glad. 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.520 I'm glad. It was sort of a fling in your youth, Lolly. 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.600 You just had a brief like in college or something. 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.359 Well, No, I've been sober since I was a teenager. 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.199 Good for you, good believe it or not. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.560 So I don't have any particular personal horse in the 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:37.800 marijuana stuff race. 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:38.960 I'm glad you've moved on. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.359 Yes, I know that it's wildly popular, and I know 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:47.320