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Speaker 1: Miner Lee Soriano was known to friends and family as Many.

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Speaker 1: At thirteen, Many was in the seventh grade and was

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Speaker 1: crime online. Thirteen year old Mini Soriano followed a daily

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Speaker 1: routine after school. Each day, she would take a city

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Speaker 1: then wait outside her apartment for her younger sister, Nadia's

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Speaker 1: She was so natural at it. She and Many bonded

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Speaker 1: his life's mission to seek justice. First to Tony DeStefano,

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Speaker 1: GENEVICI find him at Tony DeStefano dot com. Tony is

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Speaker 1: what's interesting? Hold on Tony Bilba, Toronto. I remember when

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Speaker 1: in a fetal position inside the black garbage bag. She

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Speaker 1: was fully closed. The book bag and the Parka were

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Speaker 1: not with her. The medical examiner determined that there was

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Speaker 1: semen on her sweatshirt, and as you just heard Joe

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan explained, she died of throttling, which is basically

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Speaker 1: manual strangulation. I'm especially interested in the sperm, the seamen

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Speaker 1: and DNA years ago by and there is no DNA match.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Monte Miller or Director of Forensic

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Speaker 1: DNA Experts LLC. Doctor monte Miller, again, thank you for

435
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Speaker 1: being with us. You would expect the killer of this

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Speaker 1: little girl, Mini Soriano, to have committed a crime before,

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Speaker 1: because you rarely go zero to one twenty mph over night,

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Speaker 1: whether it was a child molestation or a rape of

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Speaker 1: somebody else, Peeping tom something that would get his DNA

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Speaker 1: into the DNA data bank, but that did not happen.

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Speaker 1: Tell us if you could, doctor Miller. What is familial DNA. Well,

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Speaker 1: familial DNA is the fact that we all share a

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Speaker 1: certain amount of our DNA with the other members of

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Speaker 1: our family. The Golden State killer was caught by a

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Speaker 1: familial search, although they did that through the databases that

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Speaker 1: are commonly available, the codis database that has all of

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Speaker 1: our criminals in it. They can also do a familial

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Speaker 1: DNA search of it, but they're looking for somebody that's

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Speaker 1: just a close match, and then they're trying to say,

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Speaker 1: is that match similar to what we would get from

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Speaker 1: a brother or from a cousin, and so they try

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Speaker 1: to match it that way, though that's not a very

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Speaker 1: good match because we just don't have enough DNA markers

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Speaker 1: to do a good match. When they do the ancestral

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Speaker 1: DNA which ancestry dot com, mother and me twenty three

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Speaker 1: and me whatever you have, those databases are using like

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Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand DNA matches and so it's much easier

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Speaker 1: to do a familial search that way. But basically they're

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Speaker 1: looking for DNA that has a very similar profile to

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Speaker 1: the one that they found, or one that has a

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Speaker 1: profile that matches. You know, this could be your brother,

462
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: this could be your matches fifty percent or twenty five percent,

463
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: but they have so many markers they're able to do

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00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: much better comparisons with the ancestral DNA sites than they

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Speaker 1: can with the criminal database. So bottom line, the actual

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Speaker 1: killer of thirteen year old Mini couldn't find them through

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Speaker 1: a DNA match. You have your known DNA, which is

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Speaker 1: a sperm the seaman on her clothing, but you hadn't

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Speaker 1: don't know the match. You gotta have somebody to match

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Speaker 1: it too. Time stories with Nancy Grace familial DNA. You

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Speaker 1: run the known DNA the killer's DNA through the system,

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Speaker 1: and with familial DNA you might get a great great

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Speaker 1: great great uncle or a distant cousin or nephew far

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Speaker 1: away from the initial family tree. That's how familial DNA works.

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Speaker 1: And then, like in the case of the Golden State

476
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Speaker 1: killer D'Angelo and Joseph t'angelo, you'll look at people connected

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Speaker 1: to the victim's DNA, the purpose DNA in the area.

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Speaker 1: Are there any brothers, uncles, cousins, nephews in the area,

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Speaker 1: and you start bit by bit narrowing it down who

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Speaker 1: it could be. So Phil Latronto, you led the campaign

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Speaker 1: for familial DNA to be allowed in evidence. Why well,

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Speaker 1: you basically called me the father of New York familiar DNA.

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Speaker 1: Why is because we had a great sample DNA sample,

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Speaker 1: you know, from Karina's killer, but it didn't match anything.

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Speaker 1: Nothing in code, it's nothing in the state, nothing in federal.

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Speaker 1: So Tony, Tony just fantom our guests right now who

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00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: told me about filmidliar searching, And he told me what

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00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: it was. And I said, how come they're not doing this?

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Speaker 1: It's because it's not allowed. And I said, okay, and

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Speaker 1: I started my campaign. And between me, you and Tony,

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00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: because you, we went on Doctor n and we pushed

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Speaker 1: for it. So you were the celebrity that went nationwide.

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00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Tony was the local news guy, and I was the

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Speaker 1: tenacious father. And between us that combination, we got it passed.

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Speaker 1: And we are celebrating the second case in New York State.

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Speaker 1: You know, many was the first in New York City.

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Speaker 1: But even after we found Karina's killer, I still pushed

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Speaker 1: for it because it is all disheartening and so horrible

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Speaker 1: to have a loved one that is killed and knowing

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Speaker 1: someone is walking the streets. You just want justice, you know,

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00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: you just want this person to be caught. So I

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00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't stop. I wouldn't stop until they listened to me.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, you know, it was a miracle that it

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Speaker 1: even evolved so quickly. We got it done in ten months,

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Speaker 1: which is unheard of. And do you ever reflect Phil

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Speaker 1: the Toronto Antoni to Stefanie. I'll start with you, Phil,

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Speaker 1: that if you had not led that campaign and fought

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Speaker 1: so hard, the family of Mini Soriano to this day

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00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: would not have justice, no question about it. There's no

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Speaker 1: question about the answer to that is no, they would

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Speaker 1: not have justice. No. Take a listen to our cut five.

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Speaker 1: This is Fawn Kim ABC seven. It proved about four

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Speaker 1: years ago the state. It's called familial DNA and this

514
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Speaker 1: is the first time this technology has been used to

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Speaker 1: solve a cold case. In New York City. Detectives found

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Speaker 1: the father of the suspect, which then led to Martinez.

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Speaker 1: It's like building a family tree by searching for specific

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Speaker 1: familial DNA. The DNA evidence recovered from Mile's was initially

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Speaker 1: searched with the codest databases, which were the government databases

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Speaker 1: for a direct match. Those results were negative. In two

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Speaker 1: thousand and more. In our cut six, listen. Nobody from

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00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: her family and none, I mean his friends remember Martinez.

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00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: But police say he lived in Coob City in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety nine. Police say he was living all these years

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Speaker 1: in New Rochelle in plain sight, living a public life,

526
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Speaker 1: calling himself Jupiter Joe. A YouTube video shows him in

527
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Speaker 1: public places teaching astronomy to children. If I told you

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Speaker 1: my name was Joe Martinez, would you remember it? His

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Speaker 1: defense attorney says police have the wrong man. He denies

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Speaker 1: these allegations. The cases pretty unusual, and that mister Martinez

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Speaker 1: is forty nine years old. He has no crime history.

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Speaker 1: Do you, doctor Montey Miller, Director Forensics DNA Experts LLC.

533
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: It's the wrong guy. So you want to tell me

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Speaker 1: that the DNA match, which is very often like one

535
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: and three trillion possibility, you got the wrong guy one

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00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: and three trillion. He's saying they've got the wrong guy

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00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: when it's his sperm on the thirteen year old little

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Speaker 1: girl's clothing. Really, that DNA doesn't lie, Well, they didn't

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00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: get the wrong guy. I mean the idea that you

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Speaker 1: have DNA that matches perfectly, the chances of you having

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Speaker 1: somebody else that has that same DNA is just astronomical.

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00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: I mean, if you had the same amount of people

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Speaker 1: as you have on Earth, if you had a billion

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Speaker 1: planets like that, and then you had a billion universes

545
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Speaker 1: with a billion planets like that, it could still single

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Speaker 1: you out. So unless he has an identical twin, the

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00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: answer is no. The ship is sailed. The DNA's his

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00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 1: and speaking of as he calls himself, jupid to Joe,

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00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut nine in the Meteor

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Speaker 1: Minute with Jupiter Joe. Welcome back everyone, to meet your

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Speaker 1: minute on the Local Life. I'm Jupiter Joe. This has

552
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: been an exciting month for local astronomers, so let's jump

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00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: right into a cosmic rundown. On December ninth, the Liberty

554
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: Sign Center in New Jersey unveiled its new Jennifer Chelsea Planetarium,

555
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: which is the largest, most advanced planetarium. Okay, so I

556
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: can't take it anymore. He goes on to talk about

557
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: the Orion nebula blah blah blah blah. The reality is

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Speaker 1: Tony to Stephano, joining us from Newsday, This little girl

559
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: loved astronomy. She wanted to be an astronaut, and he

560
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: got that knowledge and he used it to lure this girl,

561
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Speaker 1: sex abuse her and murder her. Well, it's this is

562
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: what the prosecution's theory is. We the facts, the full facts,

563
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: were still sort of treading through and trying to get

564
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: to the bottom of what he used and what he

565
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Speaker 1: did with her to try to get her into his

566
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Speaker 1: orbits and no pun intended is um uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: still the subject of the investigation. Okay, I'm sorry, Tony

568
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: to Stephanie, could you just clarify something for me. There's

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Speaker 1: two and two still equal four because I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: it does, right who Okay, So do you want to

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Speaker 1: tell me, Wendy Patrick, that Jupiter Joe, Jupiter Joe, that

572
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: it's just a coinkie dank, that this little girl who

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Speaker 1: wanted to be an astronaut and studied astronomy and love

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Speaker 1: the stars, it's just happenstance that he ends up sex

575
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Speaker 1: at using her his sperm on her jacket. Of course,

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Speaker 1: that was the connection. That's not a huge that's a

577
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: huge connection. And part of the reason that's going to

578
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: be it a very important connection as we move forward,

579
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Speaker 1: is it's an exploitation of this this beautiful curiosity, this building.

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Speaker 1: That's how he knew. That's how he knew that she

581
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: was accostinating with drama and study. Right, yeah, that's right,

582
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: and you know that connection in and of itself would

583
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: be very significant. But then you add on everything else.

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Speaker 1: Let's say we didn't even have the DNA, we're learning

585
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Speaker 1: that it can't possibly be a coincidence. Because yes, this

586
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: is something that many young people are interested in, and

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00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: I was one of them too, But it's just too specific,

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00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: it's too narrow, and that is one of the main

589
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: main reasons that I've been going to get moving forward.

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00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: Bottom line, Toney to STEPHANOI. Here the defense attorney blah blah,

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00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: blah blah, You've got the wrong man. It just happens

592
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: to be his semen on her clothing. Well, go ahead, Yeah,

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00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: what does that tell you? I mean, semen just doesn't

594
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: fly around the universe and land in any which were right,

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Speaker 1: It's like that is a pretty good indicators. That sounds like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like, uh, it just doesn't you know, it just

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Speaker 1: doesn't compute. Well, the dates what they were, they were.

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Speaker 1: The defense was insinuating that his DNA to kill his

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Speaker 1: DNA made its way on Corina by flying through the

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Speaker 1: ass so it was like magic DNA. And if I

601
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: may uh make a statement that the police believe that

602
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: Minnie was killed in his apartment's right? What more do

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Speaker 1: we know? At tourney to stephan I the thing that

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Speaker 1: you know, the DNA on the sweatshirt, and it was

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Speaker 1: on her sweatshirt. It's such a strong indication of a

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Speaker 1: crime that I don't know how the defense is going

607
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: to try to whiggle around, that they may try to

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Speaker 1: get some sort of lesser offense. But I don't see it.

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00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't see it. It's just it's just too too

610
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Speaker 1: strong in my mind. I agree with you, Tony Stephano.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten Jim Dolan ABC

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Speaker 1: seven Joseph Martinez was in handcuffs tonight, charged with the

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Speaker 1: murder of a thirteen year old girl twenty two years ago.

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Speaker 1: For her family, the years have not closed the wounds,

615
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: the pain has not ebbed even a bit. We knew

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Speaker 1: it will never happen, because this is today. I would huh,

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Speaker 1: do you would like to read you would like to

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Speaker 1: die for him? You were a very good gun minner

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Speaker 1: Lee's Soriano Minie would be thirty five years old now,

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Speaker 1: but the photographs of her bright, joyful face stop here,

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Speaker 1: police sources tell Eyewitness News the man they say killed

622
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Speaker 1: her was so sure he'd gotten away with it. He

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Speaker 1: has a public life and calls himself Jupiter Joe. A

624
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: YouTube video of shows him in public places teaching children astronomy.

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Speaker 1: If I told you my name was Joe Martinez, do

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Speaker 1: you remember it well? I can tell you this, that's

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Speaker 1: the name I'll never forget and I will not be

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Speaker 1: happy until he gets the maximum penalty and that jurisdiction,

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Speaker 1: which is life behind bars a thirteen year old little

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Speaker 1: girl getting off the bus. In addition to all of

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Speaker 1: the investigators, the police, so scientists that worked this case

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Speaker 1: never gave up. I want to thank Phil Vatrano, Victims

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Speaker 1: Right's advocate who pushed for familial DNA in that jurisdiction,

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Speaker 1: and Tony DeStefano joining us from Newsday who also joined

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Speaker 1: the fight for familial DNA to be allowed as evidence.

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Speaker 1: And my message for Joseph Martinez rot in Hell, Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend,