Speaker 1: Man, what's handed?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: You got Marshaw Bismall Lynch.
Speaker 3: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Knewsome and you're listening to politickets.
Speaker 1: You're knowing to be, You're known to be.
Speaker 4: Marshawn likes this nice jersey right there, Marshawn, how you doing?
Speaker 4: They just dust that off today for you.
Speaker 5: Marshawn, No, man, your little Homer Simpson three hairs at
Speaker 5: the top of your head between them glasses and that
Speaker 5: little mohawk thing on the top.
Speaker 6: Of your Simpson out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got out, Help you out, man.
Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of shit that was next level, Brue.
Speaker 2: Marshawn's here's the deal, Like I told Marshawn did last night, Gavin,
Speaker 2: I said, here's the problem. If you take a tape
Speaker 2: measure from one to one hundred, the average life expectancy
Speaker 2: is seventy five. I'm fifty five, So we cut out
Speaker 2: zero to fifty five and then seventy five hundreds.
Speaker 4: So that gives me and you, Gavin about eight more
Speaker 4: good summer.
Speaker 7: Really eight.
Speaker 2: So what we have to do is start traveling with
Speaker 2: Marshaan a little bit more, have a little bit more fun.
Speaker 4: Right now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: We gotta get some jail where you gotta lick your
Speaker 5: And it smoothed that ship over a little bit here, right.
Speaker 7: I got the jail.
Speaker 6: That's that's what I do best.
Speaker 7: But I don't man.
Speaker 3: By the way, I also good Doug said he was
Speaker 3: dusting off the jersey.
Speaker 6: You took that a little personally, I know, marshawn I did.
Speaker 6: It was old, bro old.
Speaker 5: You know what I figured out I was old when
Speaker 5: my brother sent me a congratulations this morning for for
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame thing, and I just realized, like,
Speaker 5: you know, he's still playing this somebody who I was
Speaker 5: coaching up since damn since he was ship, since he
Speaker 5: came out the wound. And to hear him, to hear
Speaker 5: him say that, it was just like, oh you you
Speaker 5: kind of up there, my boy.
Speaker 3: By the way, guys, do you know this literally no
Speaker 3: bs just today on my desk is a big brick.
Speaker 6: I'm like, what the hell is this brick?
Speaker 3: And a bunch of folks had signed it, some of
Speaker 3: the guards and some of those incarcerated folks in Quentin.
Speaker 3: They just tore down that wall. Talk about tear down
Speaker 3: the wall that was built in eighteen sixty. Remember you
Speaker 3: saw that temporary fence in Quenton. They literally just bulldozed
Speaker 3: that damn thing down and there was a brick sitting
Speaker 3: on my desk again.
Speaker 6: But talk about bringing people.
Speaker 5: Gavin, you can't be using that shit like is you
Speaker 5: don't fucking goddamn amusement.
Speaker 1: Park Man, you getting, You're getting souvenir bricks and shit.
Speaker 6: No, you in this. It's not my damn amusement.
Speaker 3: I know you all greeks of damn Amusic. Why is
Speaker 3: he so happy in prison? I'm trying to stay out
Speaker 3: of prison. No, man, the brick, but the brick it
Speaker 3: represents what you're just saying. It was signed by some
Speaker 3: of the guards, called some of the inmates, and they
Speaker 3: sent it to me man, because it's about people coming
Speaker 3: together speaking of that day. And just before we bring
Speaker 3: up Pete, I'm serious, Marshaan, this has got to be
Speaker 3: interesting you and Pete Carroll. Have you guys had a
Speaker 3: lot of conversations over the course of the last couple of years.
Speaker 6: I mean, how many times you guys engaged?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta remember I went back and uh and
Speaker 5: played for another season. You played, I know, I'll call
Speaker 5: it a season if I played a game. It's a season.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I.
Speaker 4: Get you played three games?
Speaker 7: It was four?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 4: Was it for no? It was the last.
Speaker 2: It was the last game against the Niners, and then
Speaker 2: the playoff game and then green.
Speaker 5: Bay green Bay. Shit, the playoffs was involved, so shit,
Speaker 5: it felt like a season.
Speaker 6: By the way, the only thing I remember about that, Doug,
Speaker 6: you remember it well too.
Speaker 3: It is like beas Quake two point zero, when you
Speaker 3: came out and leadies have gone to introduced the rest
Speaker 3: of the team, and then it was finally your turn.
Speaker 3: Music up, We're on the field. Next letter, Doug was like,
Speaker 3: Doug was like a kid.
Speaker 4: It's like, get ready, man.
Speaker 6: Doug was so nervous, like it's about to happen.
Speaker 3: And it was like, I mean, and I never span
Speaker 3: a lot. In fact, I don't think I've ever been
Speaker 3: to that stadium in person. And Doug was like, man,
Speaker 3: it gets loud in here.
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, that's the beauty of that game. Guy.
Speaker 4: That was the only game where Shawn didn't yell at
Speaker 4: me after the game.
Speaker 5: Shut the fuck up. You know what, hey, bro, you
Speaker 5: know what you are? Prankster, my dude? You know what
Speaker 5: they call you. The younger kids in today's time right now,
Speaker 5: they would call you a troll.
Speaker 6: You know, it was very cool.
Speaker 3: I met Pete Carroll five or six times, but just hello,
Speaker 3: goodbye in passing Doug. Remember before the game, Pete came
Speaker 3: all the way to the other side to meet with
Speaker 3: us and spend time with us. And I'm like, this
Speaker 3: guy is just a little different. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: we can talk about that, but just as a personal
Speaker 3: guy for him to take that time to come over
Speaker 3: and uh, and obviously we're bsing about Marshawn behind Marshawn's
Speaker 3: back as we.
Speaker 6: Are right now.
Speaker 1: But oh ship see look that's y'all. That's y'all.
Speaker 5: Uh, that's y'all Marine connection, cause you ain't y'all y'all
Speaker 5: from the same hood.
Speaker 6: Yeah, San Francisco in connection.
Speaker 1: Oh my bad.
Speaker 6: That's how we rolled Redwood High School. Bro, my high school.
Speaker 3: That's why, that's why Pete has been so successful in
Speaker 3: his life.
Speaker 1: Oh he got that bad. It's oh, it's in you,
Speaker 1: not on y'all.
Speaker 6: Hunt. That's what it's about. Those public school kids.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you this. I was in Seattle for
Speaker 5: what maybe eight nine years and I'm talking about every
Speaker 5: single day. This motherfucker. Pete would come in with the
Speaker 5: same energy when lose draw rain sleep snow. I don't
Speaker 5: give a fuck what it was. He came in every
Speaker 5: day the same exact person, regardless, and that shit used
Speaker 5: to drive me fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: I used to ask. I used to ask that motherfucker
Speaker 1: all the time, Hey, what kind of drugs did you
Speaker 1: want on? Bro?
Speaker 5: Because I need some of that ship. Because the way
Speaker 5: you come in and in this negrit it was never
Speaker 5: never negative, never negative, never negative until he pulled yell
Speaker 5: ass in that room and then he started gassing.
Speaker 1: Now we've got to throw these hands, but it was never.
Speaker 1: He was never. You couldn't catch this dude in a
Speaker 1: bad mood.
Speaker 4: Everlse, we bring him in, Marshawn.
Speaker 6: Let's bring him in. Let's bring in mister positivity himself.
Speaker 1: It's positive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Hockey Carrollton.
Speaker 2: Marshaun, and Gavin, we have an incredible episode of politics
Speaker 2: today straight from Marin County.
Speaker 4: High School College Marin.
Speaker 2: That's one of only three coaches Gavin to win a
Speaker 2: national championship, two of them and a Super Bowl former
Speaker 2: head coach the Jets, the Patriots, and of course, the
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks coach thirteen years with Seattle eligible for the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame this year, the legendary Pete Carroll thanks
Speaker 2: for joining his peach.
Speaker 7: What's up, Doug. We got a lot of bearer going
Speaker 7: on right now.
Speaker 6: But by the way, which one of you two? I'm
Speaker 6: curious which one of you two again in the Hall
Speaker 6: of Fame? First? Mark Shawn or coach.
Speaker 7: I heard him just say that his favorite color was gold,
Speaker 7: so maybe he might.
Speaker 1: Be Oh you remember that, huh?
Speaker 7: I heard that? Yeah, by the.
Speaker 3: Way, coach, I don't know if you heard. I mean,
Speaker 3: Marshawn just going completely crazy about all your positivity. You know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what happened every damn day in every way,
Speaker 3: you're all bringing that positivity.
Speaker 7: It said.
Speaker 6: It drove Marshawn completely crazy.
Speaker 7: I know, yeah, I know he could stand it. I
Speaker 7: left get him up in the corner of the room.
Speaker 7: I sat the way back, you know, kind of making
Speaker 7: a little statement, last guy in the room and all
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff. And I know it just pissed
Speaker 7: him off because he thought I was trying to make
Speaker 7: him have fun and be positive too. I didn't care
Speaker 7: about him. He was it's fun guys.
Speaker 2: Hey, coach, Well, before we begin, Coach, did you ever
Speaker 2: think in a million years you would be doing a
Speaker 2: podcast with more shaan?
Speaker 7: Uh? You know, I thought I thought he may be
Speaker 7: following me around here, I'm following him around.
Speaker 5: I'm not quite sure I was wrong, right, Man, Nah,
Speaker 5: I've been told you a long time ago, man enview. Man,
Speaker 5: I do not understand y'all. I don't think y'all get it. Like, well,
Speaker 5: it'll be probably like on a you know, a Thursday.
Speaker 5: We got practice on Friday morning, and I'll be litt
Speaker 5: as fuck. I'm talking about I'm littus fuck. I'm coming
Speaker 5: too the facility like shit, maybe Fox Fox thirty because
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna be late, and I'll just go into
Speaker 5: the locker room and go to sleep in one of
Speaker 5: the little big reclined chairs or something and a light
Speaker 5: clockwork around five five thirty or something. Here come Pete
Speaker 5: walking in that goddamn room with that the same energy
Speaker 5: he just left it last day, bouncing around.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, I'm going joint hell a bubble gum ship
Speaker 5: and I'm like, how the fuck is you?
Speaker 1: Brit You ain't even brush your teeth yet?
Speaker 5: You happy than the motherfucker, Like, God damn, how you
Speaker 5: do that?
Speaker 1: Bro? You know what, I'm about to go back to
Speaker 1: sleep for a minute.
Speaker 7: It's all about attitude. You got a good under your
Speaker 7: don't and that doesn't ever has to be the same
Speaker 7: obviously obviously, but uh but there's a lot of guys
Speaker 7: that they kind of used it a little bit. You know,
Speaker 7: I was their attitude, So that's that's okay.
Speaker 4: Coach. Did you have that your whole life grown up?
Speaker 2: Because obviously as everything ever since I you know, knew
Speaker 2: you back in the day when you were coaching the Jets,
Speaker 2: did you have that grown up as a kid?
Speaker 4: Steam are in?
Speaker 2: Were you always that guy that was upbeat energy and
Speaker 2: and bringing everything together and attitude and that kind of stuff?
Speaker 7: My mom my mom taught me that some goods just
Speaker 7: about to happen. And I've never never lost sight of that,
Speaker 7: and uh, you know, and somehow they empowered me to
Speaker 7: you get to do what you want to do and
Speaker 7: have the attitude want to have. But it was always
Speaker 7: about something just just around the corner was going to turn.
Speaker 7: So why would you be thinking glumming down and out?
Speaker 7: And you know, because he was going to get good.
Speaker 7: And so I've been like that my whole life, I'm sure, coach.
Speaker 6: I'm still trying to recover from Marshawn say. And he
Speaker 6: came in lit uh.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to translate that exactly, you know,
Speaker 3: like lit up or you know, was something else.
Speaker 1: I was lit up, like I'll tell you that lit
Speaker 1: up like a Christmas tree.
Speaker 7: The point was to me, you know, my guys were
Speaker 7: all different and uh, and I want to give him
Speaker 7: space to be what they needed to be he needed
Speaker 7: to be and make his statement of what he was
Speaker 7: all about it and I loved it. I mean I
Speaker 7: told him just recently that it was so important for
Speaker 7: me to get him to come to our team because
Speaker 7: I wanted him to affect everybody on the team. And
Speaker 7: I didn't care about him affecting it the way I
Speaker 7: want him to affect it. I want him affect the
Speaker 7: way he was gonna affect it. And I just figured
Speaker 7: we'd work it out, you know, and we would figure
Speaker 7: out a way to make it all fit and and uh,
Speaker 7: you know, and we did and he and hes still
Speaker 7: pissed because he he didn't figure out I didn't care
Speaker 7: that he was like you, I loved that he was
Speaker 7: like he was, and I thought the more he was,
Speaker 7: the better it was for us. And and uh and
Speaker 7: I could put up with him. I was okay, you know.
Speaker 7: And if you heard him say he wasn't gonna get fined,
Speaker 7: he knew. He knew that where that line was drawn,
Speaker 7: it was about the cash, and he was not going
Speaker 7: to give up his money. So he stayed close enough
Speaker 7: to it so it worked out just fine.
Speaker 4: Hey, coach, take me through.
Speaker 2: You know, I think it was your second year there,
Speaker 2: right when when I was talking to you and John
Speaker 2: about trading for Marshawn when stuff is going on the
Speaker 2: first year.
Speaker 4: Was that your one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, your one, and and and and you know, we're
Speaker 2: talking about the trade and at the time the packers
Speaker 2: want him and you guys want him, and we're going.
Speaker 4: Back and forth.
Speaker 2: Take me through how that that trade changed kind of
Speaker 2: the the tenor and the identity of Seattle and and
Speaker 2: and and and really put you guys on the map
Speaker 2: as far as what you built there.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, really this is how this worked. I wanted.
Speaker 7: I knew that I had missed Marshawn and recruiting and
Speaker 7: uh uh, we had a whole plenty of guys, but
Speaker 7: I missed him, and then we played against him, and
Speaker 7: I knew who he was and knew about all this stuff.
Speaker 7: I knew a lot better after the recruiting than than before.
Speaker 7: And so I already had this this, you know, kind
Speaker 7: of notion of what he would be like. And he's
Speaker 7: up there in Buffalo and he's kind of in trouble
Speaker 7: and he's kind of pissing him on and the working out.
Speaker 4: Yeah and uh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So so we tried to trade him for if
Speaker 7: you remember Doug, it was for months. It really took
Speaker 7: us three months to get them to say that they
Speaker 7: would trade him to us. I don't know what else.
Speaker 7: They don't know what the packers or nothing else. But uh,
Speaker 7: you know, we kicked in a couple another five or
Speaker 7: something for me, and they were they were hard on us.
Speaker 7: They didn't they didn't want to trade him, but they
Speaker 7: knew that they kind of needed to, And to me,
Speaker 7: I was trying to get it. It was so important. There
Speaker 7: was nobody I never pursued anybody like that. It was
Speaker 7: so important because I wanted his attitude and his his
Speaker 7: makeup on our team because we were down and out
Speaker 7: club at the time. You know, we han't done anything
Speaker 7: in the last years before I got there, and it
Speaker 7: was time to see if we could turn it. And
Speaker 7: he was such a big personality, uh that I thought
Speaker 7: we could really build around and and you know, I
Speaker 7: don't think many people thought of marshall the way back
Speaker 7: in the day. I don't know, I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 7: maybe there was others.
Speaker 5: I don't think no, because you guys, remember at that
Speaker 5: point in time, motherfuckers had counted me out. A lot
Speaker 5: of motherfuckers had counted me out. So that's one of
Speaker 5: them situations where you get in the position and you say, like,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, somebody else see something in you
Speaker 5: that you don't see in yourself.
Speaker 1: Now, not that I was.
Speaker 5: Involved or you know, I mean I let you know
Speaker 5: all the outside uh you know, consume my my thoughts
Speaker 5: or my personality or whatever, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: at that point, considering in Buffalo, you know, I'm not playing.
Speaker 5: Uh you know, I'm i'm i'm i'm I'm coming off
Speaker 5: the bench, or I'm I'm suited and I'm not playing,
Speaker 5: or I'm just saying regular street clothes on the sideline.
Speaker 5: So and go from from being on the on the
Speaker 5: on the sideline and street clothes. You know what I
Speaker 5: mean to the beast quake, you know, I mean that
Speaker 5: that's a that's a yeah, I mean, that's that's some
Speaker 5: some belief in a motherfucker though, you know what I'm
Speaker 5: talking about.
Speaker 7: No, I definitely had conviction for you now, And I
Speaker 7: can't even tell you why it was. It was so
Speaker 7: obvious to me because nobody else saw John, and the
Speaker 7: guys in the building didn't didn't see it the same way.
Speaker 7: But that's why I kept fighting for it, you know.
Speaker 7: And and finally it just, you know, I bugged him enough,
Speaker 7: I say, let's call him again. You know, there's really
Speaker 7: I went down to that office a number of times
Speaker 7: and he had to call again because I was making
Speaker 7: them call again. And and finally something happened, you know.
Speaker 7: And uh, it's just it was, you know, I took
Speaker 7: a shot that you might be able to bounce back
Speaker 7: in a big way, you know, because it wasn't working out,
Speaker 7: and I knew I could help you work it out,
Speaker 7: you know. I knew we could fit it together so
Speaker 7: that would make sense and not I can't tell you
Speaker 7: I knew how crazy it was going to be. But
Speaker 7: but the rest of history is history, you know. And
Speaker 7: and so really it was really the most important move
Speaker 7: that we made in making the statement of the kind
Speaker 7: of team we wanted to be and the kind of
Speaker 7: personalities we wanted to jump around and play with. And uh,
Speaker 7: and it really was. It was huge.
Speaker 6: Coach.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, I mean, you you were talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: just letting players be there themselves and personalities take shape.
Speaker 6: Of course you're You're not only.
Speaker 3: It sounds like with Marshaun you weren't just looking for
Speaker 3: the athletic talent. You're also looking for the attitude. You're
Speaker 3: looking for someone that can express themself at another level.
Speaker 3: Is that something I mean, you spending all those years
Speaker 3: and you know, usc working your way up obviously multiple
Speaker 3: teams and then Seattle. Was that something that came to
Speaker 3: you instinctly as a coach early on or you developed
Speaker 3: that over time and then found that, you know, specific
Speaker 3: at this time with these personalities that that can really
Speaker 3: gel and express.
Speaker 7: Interestingly, the first year I was coaching the dB is
Speaker 7: back at the University of Specific and a million years
Speaker 7: before I got in trouble for having a meeting one
Speaker 7: time with the players and asking what they needed to
Speaker 7: work on. And we had a great meeting. Everybody had
Speaker 7: ideas and suggestions, you know, and these we were lousy,
Speaker 7: fucked is the team, you know. But but we had
Speaker 7: a great meeting and I can't run them back from
Speaker 7: the meet the night meeting during camp, and ran into
Speaker 7: the head coach, Chester katz And and told he coached,
Speaker 7: I just had the best meeting. I can't believe how
Speaker 7: I energized it was. These guys were so fired up,
Speaker 7: and I asked, you know, I asked them of the
Speaker 7: guys and what they needed to work on. And he
Speaker 7: stopped me, cut me and said, don't you ever know,
Speaker 7: in this big southern Kentucky draw, don't you ever you
Speaker 7: know they ask the players what they want, you tell
Speaker 7: them you're the coach. I said, okay, So so I
Speaker 7: you know, I was. I was crushed because I thought
Speaker 7: I'd really done something good. And by the time I
Speaker 7: got to the next day, I was doing everything that
Speaker 7: we said we were gonna do. The coach you know,
Speaker 7: so and it worked out great and he never knew
Speaker 7: it and all that, But the point was that I
Speaker 7: never knew. The point was that that connecting with people,
Speaker 7: uh and and going to where they where they feel
Speaker 7: good about themselves is a place of destination. Man, that
Speaker 7: they can make a difference. And and whether it's one guy,
Speaker 7: it's it's you know, many people, a whole football team,
Speaker 7: a whole group of people. Uh, when you when they
Speaker 7: feel your commitment to them and they know that you
Speaker 7: care about what they're doing, and you know that. I've
Speaker 7: always been that way, It's what I'm saying. I was
Speaker 7: all the way back to my second year in coaching,
Speaker 7: you know. So, Uh, it's always been part of it
Speaker 7: and the part that always gets lost. And I can
Speaker 7: even tell right now, Gavin, you're thinking, Okay, this is
Speaker 7: Lucy Goosey and here's all these guys running all different directions.
Speaker 7: And you can't play football like that. You've got to
Speaker 7: have discipline. You've got to have a consistency to it.
Speaker 7: You've got to have you know, rules and guidelines and
Speaker 7: things to keep people in order. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 7: that you can't recognize the extraordinary uniqueness of the individuals.
Speaker 7: And when you do, and and and then you open
Speaker 7: up to that and you receive them there like Marshaun
Speaker 7: was a recipient. He fought me anyway. I was the
Speaker 7: best guy you could ever possibly be with he bought
Speaker 7: me anyway, you know, just because he was so contrary.
Speaker 7: But that was great, that was him and it can work,
Speaker 7: you know, No, it's not. Most people don't do it
Speaker 7: that way now because it's it's harder, it's more difficult
Speaker 7: because you're dealing with the individual the changes, the uniqueness
Speaker 7: of the personalities, and you know, and they can mix it.
Speaker 7: I mean, Sean can tell you we had troubles with
Speaker 7: some guys in our club and you know, throughout and
Speaker 7: but we were able to find the way to keep
Speaker 7: them connected U for the purpose being a great team.
Speaker 7: And they did it and we showed that we could
Speaker 7: do that.
Speaker 5: So I want to ask you something like with with
Speaker 5: with all of that being said, though, right and if
Speaker 5: I if I remember correctly, you have a you have
Speaker 5: a degree in uh psychology right.
Speaker 7: Well it's sports psychology.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how how.
Speaker 5: How much of that do you think played a role?
Speaker 5: And you know, your philosophy, your philosophy and football and
Speaker 5: your development of teams and players because you know, I
Speaker 5: mean when I first had got there, I think it
Speaker 5: was a like a crazy fucking number of like two
Speaker 5: hundred and like seventy plus players that you hadn't brought
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, in and out of the uh,
Speaker 5: out of the facility, out of the facility to create
Speaker 5: the exact team that you that you wanted.
Speaker 1: Right, So how much how much do you think.
Speaker 5: Your your your background and uh what what you got
Speaker 5: a degree in sports psychology?
Speaker 7: Well it was it was in uh in physical education
Speaker 7: with amptasist and sports psychology. Yeah, I had a ton
Speaker 7: of stuff that I did in those days. I'm glad
Speaker 7: you asked the question because I really was affected by
Speaker 7: stuff I learned right then there, and I was able
Speaker 7: to because of being so close to the Bay area.
Speaker 7: There was a couple of great guys that were that
Speaker 7: had written stuff on their own, done their own stuff.
Speaker 7: The guy Tim Galway wrote the inter Game of Tennis,
Speaker 7: and Michael Murphy was the guy who wrote about golf
Speaker 7: and he did some amazing things in his own studies.
Speaker 7: He was the guy that had started Ethelyn the Institute
Speaker 7: down on the coast. Uh. Those two guys in particular,
Speaker 7: not only did we get to read their books, but
Speaker 7: we got to we had to meet them and be
Speaker 7: with them and hang out with them, and and and
Speaker 7: and developed the friendship relationship with them and I so much.
Speaker 7: I was affected so much by the way they thought
Speaker 7: and the way that they presented their stuff. And they
Speaker 7: were totally different, they were the same. But both those
Speaker 7: guys still to this very day, I still preach right
Speaker 7: from the Gospel of what those guys believed in. And
Speaker 7: they were really something about about performance and about they
Speaker 7: both were highly influenced by Eastern philosophy and their young
Speaker 7: days when when they went and did their you know,
Speaker 7: their mission over in India and wherever they went, Uh,
Speaker 7: they came back and they had a slant to it
Speaker 7: that made sense to me that I've never lost contact with.
Speaker 7: And it's really about helping people perform, uh totally in
Speaker 7: trusting themselves and totally in command of their moments and
Speaker 7: their times, and and creating the moments and the mindfulness
Speaker 7: that it takes to really be at your best. And
Speaker 7: so throughout all. I mean, I've never talked about those guys.
Speaker 7: I would never mention those those guys to you as
Speaker 7: a team. But I was working from that mentality of
Speaker 7: helping people get to the very best of what they
Speaker 7: had to offer. And that's why it is why it
Speaker 7: was so important to to champion the individuals and to
Speaker 7: find the place where each player could be at his
Speaker 7: best and what he needed to be at his best.
Speaker 7: That's why I could have Marshan, and they could have Richard,
Speaker 7: and they could have Doug Baldwin and all the cam
Speaker 7: and all the different guys that were the personalities. They
Speaker 7: were all able to find their own space and be
Speaker 7: comfortable with it. But yet I was I was there
Speaker 7: and kick their asks to make them great at what
Speaker 7: what they were capable of doing too, and so all
Speaker 7: of that blended together, Sean. So yeah, it goes way
Speaker 7: back and that was it never left me and I
Speaker 7: wrote about it in the book I did you know
Speaker 7: ten years or fifteen years ago, whatever it was, All
Speaker 7: that stuff was all part of my makeup that I
Speaker 7: never lost. And it was really the cool part about it.
Speaker 7: And Marshaan was one of the best at He just
Speaker 7: needed to be in his own space. He didn't want
Speaker 7: anybody to fuck with him in any way. He didn't
Speaker 7: want anybody to, you know, try to get him this
Speaker 7: way or get him that way. Just leave me alone.
Speaker 7: And if you watched him after you make touchdowns, you
Speaker 7: know he wouldn't celebrate, you know, other than grabbing his
Speaker 7: nuts on the big run.
Speaker 6: Talk about that.
Speaker 4: You probably need a PhD.
Speaker 2: You know, after the Super Bowl loss with the player,
Speaker 2: I mean that was take me through that time after
Speaker 2: the game, because obviously, I mean that wasn't just one day,
Speaker 2: one week that was that was months and months, and
Speaker 2: I mean, take me through your mindset after that game
Speaker 2: with how do you? I mean I had to be
Speaker 2: Take me through your mindset. That'd be very very tough.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine being in your shoes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because motherfucker tried to whoop your ass.
Speaker 7: Let me back you up a bit. If you remember
Speaker 7: when I was at st we played Texas and we
Speaker 7: were in the Rose Bowl and we get down like
Speaker 7: seventeen seconds left or something like that, fourth and seven,
Speaker 7: nineteen seconds left, fourth and seven from the seven yard line.
Speaker 7: If we don't want that, if we just stopped the
Speaker 7: dude right there, we don't won the third straight national
Speaker 7: championship that I ain't been done before. And we were
Speaker 7: right at the precipice of doing everything. We had won
Speaker 7: every game for years up until that at that point
Speaker 7: right there, and bang, you know, he scrambles. They the
Speaker 7: running back screwed up the protection. We send double b
Speaker 7: and he releases instead of blocks the backer like he's
Speaker 7: supposed to. So we lose across the record and contain
Speaker 7: it's all the football stuff, but and the guy scrambled
Speaker 7: in the end zone, and so we go in the
Speaker 7: locker room. You know, minutes later, I'm talking to this team.
Speaker 7: We were on the verge of, you know, something absolutely historic.
Speaker 7: And and what I my thought was that those seventeen
Speaker 7: seconds or nineteen second one going to find us we
Speaker 7: were what we were. And I carried that thought to
Speaker 7: the moment that that stupid fricking play happened in that
Speaker 7: game where they get to pick and to change the
Speaker 7: whole game. And the instant that I bent down to
Speaker 7: think about, I knew it was gonna you know, there,
Speaker 7: I would have to be ready for moments like this,
Speaker 7: and these years of coaching is this is that moment,
Speaker 7: and you're gonna have to be a stud and I
Speaker 7: was gonna have to, you know, handle it, and because
Speaker 7: I was going to stand up for everybody and they're
Speaker 7: all gonna be pissed just like you were. The whole world.
Speaker 7: And Marshaw and I have talked about this in the past.
Speaker 7: You know, that was a meaningful moment and we lost
Speaker 7: all that that would have been two in a row.
Speaker 7: We might have come back one three in a row,
Speaker 7: is way I feel about it. But uh, And so anyway,
Speaker 7: it was huge, and it was but you had to
Speaker 7: deal with it, and you had to deal with it,
Speaker 7: and I had to be the leader and I had
Speaker 7: to stand up for it and take the hit and
Speaker 7: just you know, okay, you know, take as my call
Speaker 7: and the whole thing. And I was willing to do
Speaker 7: that for everybody else. And I mean he was pissed
Speaker 7: at me, and the fellows were pissed at me.
Speaker 5: Everything was you know, with with with that band said,
Speaker 5: a lot of players from that team don't feel that,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, considering your philosophy and what you
Speaker 5: stood for and what you got a lot of those
Speaker 5: guys to believe in, they don't feel that, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean you you you owned it from a perspective
Speaker 5: of which they would have liked you to own it.
Speaker 5: Because then it started to get rough over there, well,
Speaker 5: it started to get rough for it got really rough
Speaker 5: for us though, to a point where it was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, and and the way I the way I
Speaker 5: think about it is like, uh, considering and like everybody, Oh,
Speaker 5: you should have just ran the ball with Marshan.
Speaker 1: You know this, that and the third.
Speaker 5: But you know, considering you know and the type of
Speaker 5: player I am, and you know, ship from what you
Speaker 5: just said to you know, any teammate of mine, I'll
Speaker 5: tell you like no, Marshan for show is a is
Speaker 5: a team player in which you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, I know a lot
Speaker 5: of a lot of guys took that ship a lot
Speaker 5: harder even than I did, because of because of what
Speaker 5: you instilled and you know, I mean that Seahawk team.
Speaker 5: So when I start thinking about it and I think
Speaker 5: about your mindset and you know, the psychology of you know,
Speaker 5: of people, but then you know, putting it into a
Speaker 5: term of ball players and then having this moment of
Speaker 5: of I'm gonna say, for us was like, uh was
Speaker 5: failure and then not for it to be you know,
Speaker 5: I mean something that a fa us personally because you know,
Speaker 5: I mean we felt like we was on that type
Speaker 5: of time and then a lot of them felt like,
Speaker 5: you know, we were stripped of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know I felt the same way. There's no
Speaker 7: there's nobody is better compared than I am about the
Speaker 7: whole thing I was trying to I would have done
Speaker 7: anything in my power to change the moment, but the
Speaker 7: moment just happened so quickly. It was gone. It was
Speaker 7: gone before it even happened, And I wish I would
Speaker 7: have been able to affect it differently, but I didn't.
Speaker 7: I couldn't. You know. It had nothing to do with
Speaker 7: all of the storylines. Marshaan and I talked about it. It
Speaker 7: had nothing to do with all the storylines about some
Speaker 7: other players or some other agenda. There was not That's
Speaker 7: not how the game works. It happened so fast they
Speaker 7: substitute we do this bump calls made. It just happened,
Speaker 7: and we got smacked in the freaking nuts by it.
Speaker 7: But you know, it's interesting, you guys got us on
Speaker 7: this this talk together because nobody had to deal with
Speaker 7: this more than Marshan and myself. I mean, nobody had
Speaker 7: to ever deal with that. And we carried our whole
Speaker 7: life and it's just something that it's affected us both
Speaker 7: in different ways and all that. But but hey, it
Speaker 7: met us part of our life, and that's that's what
Speaker 7: we had to deal with it. We had to get
Speaker 7: on and we have and uh, he's kicking ass and
Speaker 7: I'm retired.
Speaker 2: Because as a non football guy, I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd asked for Sean. Was it was
Speaker 2: the call from BEVL or was you made the call?
Speaker 2: Or how how did that?
Speaker 4: Well? Who made the call?
Speaker 7: We did the way we always did, Okay, it was
Speaker 7: There's there's defensive coordinators, offensive coordinators. They call this stuff.
Speaker 7: We play the game, and I'm responsible for every call
Speaker 7: that was ever made, that's all, Doug.
Speaker 5: If you didn't catch that, Bevil made the motherfucking call
Speaker 5: and Pete didn't get to it quick enough to get
Speaker 5: out of that motherfucker, that's how that.
Speaker 1: That's how what he just told you in a nutshell
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: But I mean, look, with with that being said, like
Speaker 5: you know, I mean because me and you we had
Speaker 5: a conversation when we talked, uh yesterday and uh, I
Speaker 5: was just talking about how, you know, how it affected
Speaker 5: my life and you know after that moment, you know,
Speaker 5: I was telling you like I was having a conversation
Speaker 5: with some ex players and you know, like.
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, if you get that uh, if they give.
Speaker 5: You the ball again, you go in and you score,
Speaker 5: you get the MVP of the super Bowl, and you know,
Speaker 5: I mean it, it is what it is. And I
Speaker 5: was like the fact that that didn't happen. It's almost
Speaker 5: to the point where it was like, you know, like
Speaker 5: that one guy in a movie that everybody rooting for
Speaker 5: that just quite he just don't make it. And now
Speaker 5: I'm living a life of that guy. But I'm actually
Speaker 5: here to experience what it would be for an individual
Speaker 5: to you know what I mean, live life after you know,
Speaker 5: I mean all that, uh, after that, after that downfall,
Speaker 5: and I mean, you know, and in reality has been
Speaker 5: you know, I mean uh, I mean by the graces
Speaker 5: of God is like you mean, uh, he.
Speaker 1: Blessed you in so many ways.
Speaker 5: And it's more so like by me not you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, getting that ball or us not running
Speaker 5: that ball in uh. I feel like it made a
Speaker 5: stain on the world to where, no matter what the
Speaker 5: situation is, that particular play is always gonna be talked about.
Speaker 5: And the fact of the matter is like you know,
Speaker 5: Tom Brady winn uh, I mean, win another Super Bowl,
Speaker 5: Malcolm Butler going, you know, become the MVP of the game,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, But no matter what you
Speaker 5: talk about that Super Bowl. It always just come down
Speaker 5: to the fact like, oh they didn't didn't give oh
Speaker 5: boy the ball.
Speaker 1: Marshing the ball and they lost, Like oh my god.
Speaker 5: Like that shit turned my life in a way that
Speaker 5: I could never imagine because I asked those guys the
Speaker 5: same guy, I say, well, who want to who won
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl MVP the year before? And they're like, oh,
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson want to, Like, Nah, Russell Wilson didn't win it.
Speaker 5: Oh Percy Harvin, Percy Grvin got no, Percy Harvin didn't.
Speaker 5: And it's like Malcolm Smith did. Oh yeah, I was
Speaker 5: gonna say, Malcolm, Yeah, I mean you add who didn't
Speaker 5: who didn't win the Super Bowl? And the next year
Speaker 5: and that oh Marshan they should have gaven him. And
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, I mean that, Doug, you like
Speaker 5: to use it post the rise. It it boasted my
Speaker 5: life and my career to a level of you know,
Speaker 5: I mean some that I could not have, you know,
Speaker 5: I mean understood or even imagine that my life could be.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's an amazing it's an amazing perception that you
Speaker 7: have of that, and and you're it's the truth. You're
Speaker 7: just talking the truth. That's what That's what happened. It's
Speaker 7: good that something good came from it, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean, that's all that you know that sounds like
Speaker 7: me does something good came out of that the crap
Speaker 7: that we had to go through and live with, and
Speaker 7: you know, they ain't going away. And that's I knew
Speaker 7: in that moment, it ain't going away that we're gonna
Speaker 7: have this forever. It's a statement about how regardless of
Speaker 7: what happens in your life you we still have the
Speaker 7: ability to make of it which we what we want.
Speaker 7: And it's no matter how dark it as horrible a
Speaker 7: situation or the hugest mistake you could ever have made, whatever,
Speaker 7: it's still there's there's a life to follow it. And
Speaker 7: if you if you, if you hang in there and
Speaker 7: you keep battling. I mean, that's just the basical story
Speaker 7: of it. But both of us men. Wherever I go
Speaker 7: now as a retired guy, people freaking boring to get
Speaker 7: over me, to get to me, to get into a picture,
Speaker 7: an autograph or whatever. They don't talk about the super Bowl,
Speaker 7: you know, they don't mention that they're there.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I just I get so much love that I couldn't
Speaker 7: ask for more. I'm shocked by it and I had
Speaker 7: no idea.
Speaker 1: It's the exact opposite for me. So in a sense,
Speaker 1: it really showed me like how.
Speaker 5: Much you know, I mean, the the world and people
Speaker 5: really you know, I mean, fuck with me from a
Speaker 5: respect level, and I really like I to me, I
Speaker 5: can I appreciate that shit to the max, like you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, because before that, like you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, considering like when I first got there
Speaker 5: and motherfuckers had counted me out, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: all he washed up, he done, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: stick a fork in.
Speaker 1: He it's over with He a thug, he is, he'd
Speaker 1: a blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: But then to see on the out, on my way
Speaker 5: out and the realities to that shit is like, nah,
Speaker 5: people really fuck with me on some like nah, we
Speaker 5: really fuck with you, shine, Like we really wish we
Speaker 5: would have been able to see you do that. And
Speaker 5: since you know we wasn't able to, like even though
Speaker 5: it didn't happen, we feel that it did, and we
Speaker 5: gonna show you the love and the respect as if
Speaker 5: it did happen, So you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 5: I said, I really fucked with the people for really
Speaker 5: fucking with me on some you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: on some real like to me, cause that's some real shit,
Speaker 5: like if you get me four opportunities down there for
Speaker 5: show just my stubborn like Tom Hell is stubborn like
Speaker 5: you ain't Finna just not allowed me to get up
Speaker 5: in this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Now, at the end of the day, shit happened, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I done fumbled, you know what I mean, done, got
Speaker 5: tackled for a loss, all the type of ship that happened.
Speaker 5: But if you look at the situation and see how
Speaker 5: many times I go forward then I went backwards. We
Speaker 5: gonna take that. We don't. We don't take that opportunity.
Speaker 5: We gonna give you that chance. So I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: as much as I could look at would happened, Look
Speaker 5: as much as I could look at and be upset this,
Speaker 5: that and the third. You know what I mean, My my, my,
Speaker 5: my biggest thing is whenever somebody say that to me.
Speaker 5: And I'm pretty sure like anytime I step outside on
Speaker 5: a day to day base, like at least once somebody
Speaker 5: you know, mention that to me. Uh you know about
Speaker 5: you know about that play, and it's just get to
Speaker 5: the point where it's like, uh, you say, what's that
Speaker 5: big dog?
Speaker 7: No, No, just tell us it's your life, you know what,
Speaker 7: It's gonna keep coming this that's not gonna change. And
Speaker 7: it's it's love. Really, they're showing you the love and
Speaker 7: they they feel for you, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, man, so I respect that.
Speaker 5: So just know that if you come up to me
Speaker 5: and you you say something though I'm not the most
Speaker 5: you know, I mean receiving or you know, outspoken.
Speaker 1: Or ye know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Uh, what do you call approachable or friendly or whatever?
Speaker 5: But just know that I really do appreciate that ship
Speaker 5: and I do have a lot of love and respect.
Speaker 5: And the love is is bulletproof, you know what I
Speaker 5: mean when you show me love and respect on a
Speaker 5: sense that you can appreciate you know, I mean the
Speaker 5: body of work that I put in.
Speaker 1: So I just want to tell everybody I appreciate you
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 3: My Hey, Doug, the only two. It sounds like Coach
Speaker 3: and Marshawn have moved on and different different and they've
Speaker 3: translated this differently. Of course you and I haven't. We're
Speaker 3: still raw about this damn thing. But that's a different conversation.
Speaker 3: By the way, I feel like I'm listening to the.
Speaker 6: Stoics this is.
Speaker 3: Like Marcus aurelia is talking about the obstacles the way.
Speaker 3: It's not what happens to you is what we do
Speaker 3: with what happens that determine our faith in future. But
Speaker 3: I love this notion that you guys have translated it
Speaker 3: in different ways but ultimately recognizing, uh, that these are
Speaker 3: moments in our life. And at the same time, you know,
Speaker 3: let's be honest, we've all had those moments. I think
Speaker 3: about political terms, you know, what about the emails, and
Speaker 3: it is something that that ultimately you can't.
Speaker 6: Completely dismiss and coach.
Speaker 3: I imagine, you know, despite the fact that you know
Speaker 3: it's got a still you know, it's hard to hard
Speaker 3: to fully recover.
Speaker 6: From those decisions.
Speaker 3: But I love that you had this experience before. So
Speaker 3: you you are you exaggerating when you say when you
Speaker 3: were leaning over that you literally had that memory of
Speaker 3: of that that rose ball game in your mind literally
Speaker 3: going through in real time.
Speaker 7: It was it was the moment of realization that I'm
Speaker 7: this is this is the job I got, this is
Speaker 7: what I'm gonna have to deal with and I'm gonna
Speaker 7: have to deal with this now on and so and
Speaker 7: I thought before I even raised back up, the thought was,
Speaker 7: I want to do it and be the epitome of
Speaker 7: of how you can handle stuff like this and put
Speaker 7: it in the right spot. But meanwhile it's gonna be
Speaker 7: just hell. And that's it's been. It's been like that,
Speaker 7: you know, if you're you compete like we do. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I don't ever get there's I don't ever get over
Speaker 7: that stuff. I don't put it away. I don't get
Speaker 7: over it at all. I carry it right to this
Speaker 7: very moment. I would do anything to change that that moment,
Speaker 7: but I don't get to, you know, so I gotta deal
Speaker 7: with it. So I'm gonna deal with it.
Speaker 5: I got I got a way you could get over
Speaker 5: you in the phone booth for thirty seconds and we
Speaker 5: just go straight all body shots and just I mean.
Speaker 6: This was going so well.
Speaker 5: Man, it was for a minute, like, man, I wanted
Speaker 5: to put so many hands and feet on you. But
Speaker 5: you know what, because I respect my elders and I
Speaker 5: know you like ninety four right.
Speaker 1: So man, you know I can't go out, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: He coach but I when I shake coach, and I'll
Speaker 2: you know the story, Gavin. But you know, after the game,
Speaker 2: you know, Pete was incredible because he recognized that, you know,
Speaker 2: we're going through some contract talks. And remember, Coach, you
Speaker 2: immediately say, hey, listen, we gotta we got to get
Speaker 2: him done. And normally, timing wise, this would be probably
Speaker 2: some point and uh, you know, the summer, and you
Speaker 2: recognize it was important to kind of get him redone
Speaker 2: and you engage with Paul Allen and we got together,
Speaker 2: remember in your office for Paul's office, and we got
Speaker 2: him done, you know, probably a month after Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: which was I think was an important part.
Speaker 4: And you led that charge, Coach. I appreciate that.
Speaker 7: Well. Remember we went back to the playoffs the next
Speaker 7: year too, you know, we made it through that the
Speaker 7: garbage of it all. And and like Marshawn and I
Speaker 7: both agree, if if we'd have won that game, we
Speaker 7: probably would have won the next game too. I think
Speaker 7: we would have. It would have been totally obviously a
Speaker 7: different thing circumstances.
Speaker 1: The league agree with They Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I mean, well I think all of
Speaker 7: us knew that. You know, there was just that time
Speaker 7: that we could have captured. But anyway, so that yeah,
Speaker 7: those were just the gestures, you know, showing the faith
Speaker 7: and the love that Marshawn can't do anything. Matter of fact,
Speaker 7: let me tell you one more story. The uh when
Speaker 7: Marshawn comes back, it comes back to us after being
Speaker 7: out on about for a couple of years. The first thing,
Speaker 7: he comes walking down the hall to my office and
Speaker 7: he and he starts apologizing, whatever you were doing, you
Speaker 7: felt bad about. Whatever, you have to No, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: you don't have to say nothing. You don't have to
Speaker 7: say a word. I know, I know where your heart is,
Speaker 7: I know where I know where we are. I got
Speaker 7: no problem, and I'm not gonna not love you no
Speaker 7: matter what happens. It doesn't no matter what was said
Speaker 7: or what's done. I know when in the long run
Speaker 7: of it all, we're all going to be connected back
Speaker 7: together again. And so and and it was. It was
Speaker 7: such a cool gesture that you wanted to, you know,
Speaker 7: try to clear the air or whatever. But you didn't
Speaker 7: need need to. I didn't need it. I didn't need
Speaker 7: to hear that. I knew.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think before that time, I think I
Speaker 5: was on some ship, like hey, if I see you brow,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna beat this ship out of you.
Speaker 7: Know you aren't.
Speaker 4: You know you aren't.
Speaker 7: You may say you are. You gotta realize I ain't
Speaker 7: going down now. You're not gonna knock me down.
Speaker 5: So when I'm coming in the office and I'm coming
Speaker 5: for a job, like hey, I don't want like you know,
Speaker 5: if I know he thinks I'm gonna come and swing
Speaker 5: on him, he probably gonna be a little like.
Speaker 7: This jo.
Speaker 1: Like I told you got that stewe Joel right.
Speaker 6: Now, Boin by the way, by the way, coach, I
Speaker 6: don't know if you know this.
Speaker 3: I'm responsible for getting Marshawn to the hotel right after
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 6: And he was completely docile, completely calm, sitting in the
Speaker 6: front seat, turned on the music, had a drink I
Speaker 6: don't know what the hell with, some whiskey or something.
Speaker 1: Nah, that was some pure white Hennessy.
Speaker 6: Whatever the hell it was.
Speaker 3: And he had a window my blunt and you guys
Speaker 3: weren't it I don't even know if you were off
Speaker 3: the damn field. And he's he's he calmly says, let's
Speaker 3: get the hell out of here, batman. So we're driving
Speaker 3: through when the parking lot. People are just starting a
Speaker 3: couple of people leaving the game. Most people weren't even
Speaker 3: leaving the game. And he's just casually, calmly listening to music.
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there back back of the car with Doug going. Man,
Speaker 3: Marshawn is taking us very responsibly and respectfully. Appreciate his maturity.
Speaker 3: And now I'm here, and he wanted to beat the
Speaker 3: shit out of you, and he was gonna come get
Speaker 3: your ass.
Speaker 6: Fine in a fun I mean this, you shattered everything.
Speaker 6: Marshaan shattered it.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 1: Man would look I mean, you know.
Speaker 7: He always stretched a little bit now, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Oh he wasn't shocked though, Coach, he was flat out
Speaker 3: in shock because we got out of the car and
Speaker 3: shit out of me.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm just the driver, bro, I'm the other
Speaker 6: guy got you.
Speaker 4: Home because somebody asked the question.
Speaker 2: And as as thirty years of an agent, those six
Speaker 2: seven eight years in Seattle, it was like it was iconic.
Speaker 4: It was rock star status.
Speaker 2: The town was crazy, I mean everything about it, and
Speaker 2: you were blessed, Coach, to have two teams like that.
Speaker 4: USC for those years was the same way.
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you compare the two, because literally,
Speaker 2: I don't know if another coach had both sides like
Speaker 2: you did, other than you know, Bearry Switzer at Oklahoma
Speaker 2: and the Cowboys obviously.
Speaker 4: But and maybe Jimmy Johnson Miami.
Speaker 2: But you had literally two beatles rolling stones of teams.
Speaker 4: How do you compare the two? And the environments in
Speaker 4: LA and Seattle and all that stuff.
Speaker 7: I'm curious. There's nothing that compares to the SD thing
Speaker 7: in this regard. We won every game for three years straight.
Speaker 7: I mean, think about that, and we won thirty something
Speaker 7: games in a row and all the way to that
Speaker 7: Texas game, and had we won that one, what would happen?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 7: So there was a golden time there, back to gold
Speaker 7: the golden time there that was just extraordinary. And I
Speaker 7: felt like, you know, I I had arrived my calling
Speaker 7: and coaching, my life had already happened. I mean, that
Speaker 7: couldn't be any better than that, but I did have
Speaker 7: I did feel the challenge because of the competitiveness, the
Speaker 7: challenge go to the NFL and take the mentality of
Speaker 7: taking care of people and loving people up and helping them,
Speaker 7: you know, be the best they could be. I want
Speaker 7: to see if it would happen in the NFL, I
Speaker 7: really because I was always I had become an NFL
Speaker 7: guy for all the years I've been in there, and
Speaker 7: so I like that challenge is the ultimate challenge. And
Speaker 7: so so we make you know, we get our run
Speaker 7: going and we're rolling and it. But let me say this,
Speaker 7: there's never enough wins. There's never enough wins. And it's, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, that's what I'm saying. Thirty four in the
Speaker 7: row or whatever. Okay, there should have been thirty five,
Speaker 7: you know, and then there's never enough, and so it
Speaker 7: keeps you coming back. But yet it also kicks your ass,
Speaker 7: you know. And and so in Seattle, you know, we
Speaker 7: don't win every game. You know, we won over ten
Speaker 7: games a year for fourteen years or something whatever it was,
Speaker 7: but it still wasn't enough, you know.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 7: That stretch in in La was in the things that
Speaker 7: we were doing in the city and all of the
Speaker 7: stuff that was happening, and all the glorious moments that
Speaker 7: we had, you know, in the Collie and all that stuff.
Speaker 7: It was that was just the top to the top.
Speaker 7: And I went to try to do it again. I
Speaker 7: wanted to try to do that in Seattle too, But
Speaker 7: you know, you can't win every game in the NFL.
Speaker 7: It just doesn't happen, you know, So there's just never
Speaker 7: enough wins.
Speaker 2: Was there more pressure at US or Seattle? In your
Speaker 2: painting and knowing it was a USC, I.
Speaker 7: Didn't feel I didn't deal with that, and the pressure thing,
Speaker 7: I didn't deal with that, really, I mean, that's not
Speaker 7: I didn't even thought of it that way, you know.
Speaker 7: I just ball coaching was not that I was a mercenary,
Speaker 7: was fighting somebody else's wars, you know, and and going
Speaker 7: forward and taking it as far as you could with
Speaker 7: the highest of expectations. And I really didn't It wasn't
Speaker 7: the pressure and that then. It was it was hard working,
Speaker 7: you know, to keep everybody together and to make sure
Speaker 7: that everybody's on the same page and everybody was loving
Speaker 7: what we were doing. And I mean that it was
Speaker 7: a challenge and all that, but it wasn't about the pressure.
Speaker 7: I don't see it that way.
Speaker 3: The coach despite I mean, you're suggesting to the lack
Speaker 3: of pressure, which is remarkable that mindset. I mean, you've
Speaker 3: been doing this a couple of decades coaching. Now you're
Speaker 3: walking the campus at USC again teaching, not coaching. I mean,
Speaker 3: is at next level decompression still processing or you just stayble?
Speaker 3: Do you have that mindset? Whatever I'm doing, I'm doing,
Speaker 3: that's my focus. What's my energy closing?
Speaker 7: No, I'm competing. I'm competing to make this a great
Speaker 7: freaking year. Now it's already been a great sum But
Speaker 7: I'm I am. I mean, that's just frankly, how I'm doing.
Speaker 7: I'm not doing that any I'm not doing anything different
Speaker 7: at all in that regard that that the springtime, I'll be,
Speaker 7: you know, at the st thing. But there's other stuff
Speaker 7: going on. We're doing other things that I'm really excited about.
Speaker 7: It's just different, you know, And and uh, my mentality
Speaker 7: is so much it's so much different because all of
Speaker 7: the little, uh the little nit pick and stuff that
Speaker 7: you've got to be involved with when on the team,
Speaker 7: when you're coach players, and all of it that's been
Speaker 7: set aside now and so my mind is clear and
Speaker 7: I'm freer to take it where I want to go.
Speaker 7: And I love this sense coach.
Speaker 4: What class are you? What class are you teaching over there?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 7: Well, we're gonna we're gonna be I'm gonna be teaching
Speaker 7: the class with a gun named barn Sony who's the
Speaker 7: dean of religious studies on campus, and he's a freaking
Speaker 7: rock star, and he and I gotta do this thing
Speaker 7: together and uh we it's gonna be uh pop through
Speaker 7: the Business School to Marshall. It'll be it's gonna be
Speaker 7: very close to my heart. Let me just say that,
Speaker 7: I don't give away the title of what we're doing that,
Speaker 7: but it's gonna be very close to my heart and
Speaker 7: the stuff that that I believe in and and mixing
Speaker 7: it with with what veron news that he is an
Speaker 7: extraordinary uh uh instructor in all of ancient religions and
Speaker 7: all the kind of cool things spirituality and so many
Speaker 7: things that he's gonna connect with us. It's gonna be uh,
Speaker 7: it's gonna be really something, I think. So we're all
Speaker 7: really excited about it.
Speaker 2: Well, we have more Sean with the cal degree and
Speaker 2: the Prince gree coach. He might he might be a
Speaker 2: guest lecture a few times with.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know and no one exactly Coach, don't buy
Speaker 6: any of that, bs No. Then again, he's got.
Speaker 7: Years for real.
Speaker 1: The hanging oh my goddamn on my wall.
Speaker 6: He does have evidence.
Speaker 7: All I heard is three point two was three point.
Speaker 1: Three point three point two.
Speaker 2: We do a special thing on the show code where
Speaker 2: we asked the governor questions, whatever question you want to
Speaker 2: ask the governor.
Speaker 4: Coach uh it balls in your court?
Speaker 7: Uh man, I got so many questions.
Speaker 6: Why did I sign the nil? By the way, first
Speaker 6: state to sign the nil? We can have that conversation.
Speaker 7: Oh lord, hey Gavin, that's a big mistake. Now, that's
Speaker 7: a huge mistake. Now I'm not even asking about that,
Speaker 7: but that's a huge error that we should should work
Speaker 7: to correct.
Speaker 6: You. I mean, no, bs, are you rid? I mean,
Speaker 6: are you that concerned about it that it's gone out
Speaker 6: of control?
Speaker 7: Absolutely? Think about it? Okay, you want to go there
Speaker 7: for a second. Think about those poor kids, Those poor kids,
Speaker 7: and those families and those moms and dads are figuring
Speaker 7: out how can I make money on my kid when
Speaker 7: he's he's a sophomore in high school and he's going
Speaker 7: to be a star, and they're thinking about stuff like
Speaker 7: that instead letting the kid go to school and be
Speaker 7: an athlete. What are you talking about? You know? And
Speaker 7: and attorneys and lawyers and reps and and just like
Speaker 7: Doug did are representing those high school kids? You know
Speaker 7: what is that all about? Who thought that was a
Speaker 7: good idea? It was I can talk about forever, but
Speaker 7: that's it should be changed. If you want to do
Speaker 7: something good, fix that.
Speaker 6: Fix that.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree, and I have strong opinions about the
Speaker 3: transfer portal and what's happened with that as well.
Speaker 6: Though you don't think that's a mean mess, but it's interesting.
Speaker 3: You never I mean you, I mean, but look with
Speaker 3: all all the money in college sports, particularly programs like
Speaker 3: USC and others, but I mean the fact that some
Speaker 3: of these players, I mean the vast mentor overwhelming majority,
Speaker 3: are never going to play in the NFL. They never
Speaker 3: became Marshal Lech. I mean, there was Did you ever
Speaker 3: think about it?
Speaker 1: At least?
Speaker 6: Should there be some framework, even if it's not nil as.
Speaker 7: We know it? What are you worried about? What are
Speaker 7: you worried about? You worried about these kids getting compensated
Speaker 7: because other people are making money on them. They're getting
Speaker 7: an education, they get they get a pilgrimt they got
Speaker 7: money in their pocket. This is the time of their life.
Speaker 7: They don't need that element of professionalism to cloud what's
Speaker 7: going on, and also the mentality of the teams in
Speaker 7: the different aspects of how it works in the locker room,
Speaker 7: with some kids making a million bucks and some kids
Speaker 7: don't making anything. I mean, it's it's just a mess.
Speaker 5: It takeaway from the actual game of football, where's the
Speaker 5: game in a way that you approach it, but from
Speaker 5: a standpoint of you know, I mean, because you know
Speaker 5: a lot of those kids won't never yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: reach a level of you, I mean a Hall of
Speaker 5: Fame football player. So being able to capitalize in those moments,
Speaker 5: I do believe that. I don't think it's a bad
Speaker 5: idea in order to get these kids, you know, I
Speaker 5: mean paid, but for the simple fact of all of
Speaker 5: the unnecessary outside shit that they have to go through
Speaker 5: in order to get that, and then the lack of education.
Speaker 5: That you're going to put a million dollars in the
Speaker 5: pocket of an eighteen year old with somebody who looking
Speaker 5: at them as just an eighteen m or just a
Speaker 5: way to you know, I mean, capitalize and make some
Speaker 5: money off of them.
Speaker 1: It put them in a It put them in a.
Speaker 5: Tough ass position before they become you know, I mean
Speaker 5: mindful of what's really going on and the responsibilities of
Speaker 5: what it actually means to have this type of chilula
Speaker 5: and your and your bank account. To me, it's a
Speaker 5: it's a plus and a minus. And I think that
Speaker 5: with you know, I mean with great response, I mean
Speaker 5: with great Yeah, I mean success come with great responsibilities.
Speaker 5: And a lot of these individuals who yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: don't even know what it is to be successful for
Speaker 5: you put them in a position where, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: you give them the bread before they actually know what
Speaker 5: it feel like to actually know.
Speaker 1: How to how to how to rock with the money.
Speaker 2: Well, coach, one of the one of the problems last
Speaker 2: year I had, I had a player I signed and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to end the player of the school,
Speaker 2: but this player got like five hundred thousand dollars, okay,
Speaker 2: And it came to me before the draft. He said, hey, man,
Speaker 2: winter taxes do I said, well, they're doing April. And
Speaker 2: I said, well, how much do you have left from nil?
Speaker 2: He said nothing. I said, what do you mean nothing?
Speaker 2: He said, it's spent it off. I said, well you
Speaker 2: got to pay, you know, at least to seventy five
Speaker 2: to Uncle Sam. And so now in his case he
Speaker 2: went he went to the NFL and he was able
Speaker 2: to get the money. The problem is these schools are
Speaker 2: not educating the kids. And so let's say this kid
Speaker 2: didn't make the NFL, Well, Uncle Sam's not gonna go away.
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna find him somewhere and say you
Speaker 2: is two fifty. So now the guy's life is started
Speaker 2: with basically in the hole, you know, two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty grand.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is this is the parents game. This whole
Speaker 7: thing is about the parents or whoever is mentoring the kids.
Speaker 7: They're the ones getting the money. They're the ones that
Speaker 7: are they're gonna put it where they're supposed to. They're
Speaker 7: not gonna the kids are aren't gonna They're only gonna
Speaker 7: screw it up. They don't have a chance to be
Speaker 7: prepared to do that. Why would we what's the what's
Speaker 7: the rush? You know what's the rush? And if there's
Speaker 7: if they want to up the pelgram, they want to
Speaker 7: up the general money that every kid gets something gets
Speaker 7: five thousand, ten thousand dollars a year, And I'm like, great,
Speaker 7: but give it to everybody and let me let them
Speaker 7: all be just players and playing the program and deal
Speaker 7: with those is enough. It just doesn't make sense. It's
Speaker 7: not right. The thing I don't like about the parent
Speaker 7: taking the money.
Speaker 5: But if you're willing to put that much money into
Speaker 5: the to the hands of the student, then you should
Speaker 5: be willing to put you know, I mean as equal
Speaker 5: amount of money into you know, I mean the education
Speaker 5: that these kids need, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So then when they actually do get to the league,
Speaker 1: you have less.
Speaker 5: You have less of a situation where it's almost what
Speaker 5: the high ass percentage of like what eighty percent of
Speaker 5: all professional athletes go bankrupt type situation. But if you
Speaker 5: start them with the education as early as as college,
Speaker 5: knowing that they're gonna come into some money, the mindset
Speaker 5: is different because now you're thinking in terms of, Okay,
Speaker 5: how do I actually spend money. Now, I know I
Speaker 5: could go out and I can fucking go blow a
Speaker 5: bag on whatever it is I want, But how do
Speaker 5: I spend money the right way in order to make
Speaker 5: sure that in the long run, I'm still gonna be
Speaker 5: able to be able to take care of everything that
Speaker 5: I need to take care of right now, because at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, like you said, those problems
Speaker 5: don't go away. The thing is with I think Big
Speaker 5: said at the business, more money, more problems. But the
Speaker 5: thing is, a lot of individuals don't see like you know,
Speaker 5: I mean when we come into money, we don't come
Speaker 5: into money with education of how to spend the fucking
Speaker 5: bread considering you know, when you think about you know,
Speaker 5: uh uh, you know the on the other side where
Speaker 5: you look at white people who come under trust funds
Speaker 5: and you know, I mean fall into the family business
Speaker 5: like they're taught this shit from you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: from from a jit age of how this whole system
Speaker 5: of how the money situation works. And then it's like okay,
Speaker 5: so they understand that. But then on our end, you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just like an overnight type of situation.
Speaker 5: One minute you got top rammin in the motherfucking cabinet
Speaker 5: to I could go and eat that fucking Benny Hanna's
Speaker 5: and it's like that's your life. And the thing is,
Speaker 5: if you don't properly take care of your situation, you
Speaker 5: put yourself in a motherfucking position to go back to
Speaker 5: eating top rummen or worse, then you can't get ahead
Speaker 5: and contribute to the problem that we have in California.
Speaker 1: That's on some other shit.
Speaker 5: But you know, I mean it begins to you know,
Speaker 5: I mean that cycle just continue to repeat itself. So
Speaker 5: I mean, like anything, the first thing that you need
Speaker 5: to do is make sure that you get education on
Speaker 5: any situation that you're going into. So if you're gonna
Speaker 5: put the motherfucking money into the kids' hands, then you
Speaker 5: need to go ahead and put the money into the
Speaker 5: motherfucking education of these kids at the same time, so
Speaker 5: they don't continue to make the same mistakes that the
Speaker 5: motherfucker's made before them.
Speaker 3: No, and by the way, just and just be you know,
Speaker 3: as the guy that did the first nil in the country,
Speaker 3: and of course it was inevitable.
Speaker 5: Coach, Okay, soldier boy, I did it first, ask no No.
Speaker 3: Based on this conversation, I should run never and I'll
Speaker 3: do that, But I will say this, I mean, and
Speaker 3: I completely and Coach, I appreciate your conviction and your
Speaker 3: insight and few people uniquely positioned to understand it better
Speaker 3: than you. And but there's no question in my mind
Speaker 3: when we signed that that this was not what was intended.
Speaker 3: The world that now is taking place is not what
Speaker 3: that legislation was originally about. So I could not agree
Speaker 3: more in the basis of this conversation, the imperative for
Speaker 3: the n C two A to immediately reconcile that uh
Speaker 3: and address this issue. They've got to move on this.
Speaker 3: In the absence of that, we're looking at state by
Speaker 3: state moves, but that's going to put states like California
Speaker 3: and other states at a competitive disadvantage. So it has
Speaker 3: to be done at the national level, and they need
Speaker 3: to move on it quickly, because there's no doubt this
Speaker 3: was never what was intended.
Speaker 7: Yeah, good luck. I hope you can do it. I
Speaker 7: hope you can do it. Like Seawn, I'm saying, education,
Speaker 7: that's what this whole thing was supposed to be about.
Speaker 7: Your a ballplayer, or you're a dancer, or your a scholar.
Speaker 7: You get you get some help get going to school
Speaker 7: so you can get your education, you know, And we're
Speaker 7: forgetting about that. But there's it works to be done.
Speaker 2: Well, coach, we we can't. We can't thank you enough
Speaker 2: for joining us. I mean, I've I've always loved you
Speaker 2: and appreciated you and and uh, everything you've done in
Speaker 2: your career and and you're not done yet obviously, and
Speaker 2: I appreciate how you've just lived your life. Man, you've
Speaker 2: lived it a glass out full and uh, you've always
Speaker 2: lived life on borrow of time. And I really appreciate
Speaker 2: you and always have and we can't thank you for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 6: And his glass has been overflowing. Next level, first ballot
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame, the one and only coach, Carol Coach.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 7: Hey, thanks for bringing the Bay area back together with
Speaker 7: the guys here, it's pretty good.