WEBVTT - A Conversation with Coach Pete Carroll 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:01.560 Man, what's handed? 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:01.840 Man? 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.160 You got Marshaw Bismall Lynch. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:08.320 Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Knewsome and you're listening to politickets. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:10.920 You're knowing to be, You're known to be. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.680 Marshawn likes this nice jersey right there, Marshawn, how you doing? 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:23.919 They just dust that off today for you. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.400 Marshawn, No, man, your little Homer Simpson three hairs at 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:32.120 the top of your head between them glasses and that 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.519 little mohawk thing on the top. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:35.960 Of your Simpson out. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.760 Yeah, you got out, Help you out, man. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.320 I've heard a lot of shit that was next level, Brue. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.520 Marshawn's here's the deal, Like I told Marshawn did last night, Gavin, 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.880 I said, here's the problem. If you take a tape 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.120 measure from one to one hundred, the average life expectancy 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.600 is seventy five. I'm fifty five, So we cut out 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.680 zero to fifty five and then seventy five hundreds. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.480 So that gives me and you, Gavin about eight more 0:00:59.520 --> 0:00:59.960 good summer. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:01.800 Really eight. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:03.720 So what we have to do is start traveling with 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.360 Marshaan a little bit more, have a little bit more fun. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:07.760 Right now, you know what I'm saying. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.960 We gotta get some jail where you gotta lick your 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.200 And it smoothed that ship over a little bit here, right. 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:15.160 I got the jail. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.399 That's that's what I do best. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.120 But I don't man. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.720 By the way, I also good Doug said he was 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.400 dusting off the jersey. 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.440 You took that a little personally, I know, marshawn I did. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.160 It was old, bro old. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.080 You know what I figured out I was old when 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:42.280 my brother sent me a congratulations this morning for for 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.920 the Hall of Fame thing, and I just realized, like, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.240 you know, he's still playing this somebody who I was 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.400 coaching up since damn since he was ship, since he 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.320 came out the wound. And to hear him, to hear 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.240 him say that, it was just like, oh you you 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:00.559 kind of up there, my boy. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.400 By the way, guys, do you know this literally no 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.560 bs just today on my desk is a big brick. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.040 I'm like, what the hell is this brick? 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.160 And a bunch of folks had signed it, some of 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:16.000 the guards and some of those incarcerated folks in Quentin. 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.799 They just tore down that wall. Talk about tear down 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.040 the wall that was built in eighteen sixty. Remember you 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.880 saw that temporary fence in Quenton. They literally just bulldozed 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.640 that damn thing down and there was a brick sitting 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:28.919 on my desk again. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.840 But talk about bringing people. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.160 Gavin, you can't be using that shit like is you 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.800 don't fucking goddamn amusement. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.640 Park Man, you getting, You're getting souvenir bricks and shit. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.360 No, you in this. It's not my damn amusement. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.880 I know you all greeks of damn Amusic. Why is 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.440 he so happy in prison? I'm trying to stay out 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.799 of prison. No, man, the brick, but the brick it 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.480 represents what you're just saying. It was signed by some 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:56.040 of the guards, called some of the inmates, and they 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.760 sent it to me man, because it's about people coming 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.480 together speaking of that day. And just before we bring 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.320 up Pete, I'm serious, Marshaan, this has got to be 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.080 interesting you and Pete Carroll. Have you guys had a 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.079 lot of conversations over the course of the last couple of years. 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:11.680 I mean, how many times you guys engaged? 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.920 Yeah, you gotta remember I went back and uh and 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:19.160 played for another season. You played, I know, I'll call 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.360 it a season if I played a game. It's a season. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:23.160 I don't know if I. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.280 Get you played three games? 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:26.480 It was four? 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:27.359 I think? 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.000 Was it for no? It was the last. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:30.680 It was the last game against the Niners, and then 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.119 the playoff game and then green. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.920 Bay green Bay. Shit, the playoffs was involved, so shit, 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.040 it felt like a season. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.560 By the way, the only thing I remember about that, Doug, 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:40.880 you remember it well too. 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.400 It is like beas Quake two point zero, when you 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.440 came out and leadies have gone to introduced the rest 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.480 of the team, and then it was finally your turn. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.520 Music up, We're on the field. Next letter, Doug was like, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:53.480 Doug was like a kid. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:54.680 It's like, get ready, man. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.680 Doug was so nervous, like it's about to happen. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.240 And it was like, I mean, and I never span 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:01.680 a lot. In fact, I don't think I've ever been 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.960 to that stadium in person. And Doug was like, man, 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.000 it gets loud in here. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.800 I'm like, damn, that's the beauty of that game. Guy. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.480 That was the only game where Shawn didn't yell at 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:11.040 me after the game. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.040 Shut the fuck up. You know what, hey, bro, you 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.000 know what you are? Prankster, my dude? You know what 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:22.120 they call you. The younger kids in today's time right now, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:23.640 they would call you a troll. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.000 You know, it was very cool. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.320 I met Pete Carroll five or six times, but just hello, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.520 goodbye in passing Doug. Remember before the game, Pete came 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.600 all the way to the other side to meet with 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.280 us and spend time with us. And I'm like, this 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.359 guy is just a little different. I mean, you know, 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.760 we can talk about that, but just as a personal 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:43.920 guy for him to take that time to come over 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.760 and uh, and obviously we're bsing about Marshawn behind Marshawn's 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.040 back as we. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:49.560 Are right now. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.760 But oh ship see look that's y'all. That's y'all. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.400 Uh, that's y'all Marine connection, cause you ain't y'all y'all 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:58.359 from the same hood. 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:00.799 Yeah, San Francisco in connection. 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:01.680 Oh my bad. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.680 That's how we rolled Redwood High School. Bro, my high school. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.560 That's why, that's why Pete has been so successful in 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:10.040 his life. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.320 Oh he got that bad. It's oh, it's in you, 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:14.040 not on y'all. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:18.160 Hunt. That's what it's about. Those public school kids. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.120 I'm gonna tell you this. I was in Seattle for 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:26.799 what maybe eight nine years and I'm talking about every 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:33.400 single day. This motherfucker. Pete would come in with the 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:43.480 same energy when lose draw rain sleep snow. I don't 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.640 give a fuck what it was. He came in every 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:55.040 day the same exact person, regardless, and that shit used 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:56.239 to drive me fucking crazy. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.160 I used to ask. I used to ask that motherfucker 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.120 all the time, Hey, what kind of drugs did you 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:01.560 want on? Bro? 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.760 Because I need some of that ship. Because the way 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.719 you come in and in this negrit it was never 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.960 never negative, never negative, never negative until he pulled yell 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:13.919 ass in that room and then he started gassing. 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:18.159 Now we've got to throw these hands, but it was never. 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.640 He was never. You couldn't catch this dude in a 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:21.200 bad mood. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.120 Everlse, we bring him in, Marshawn. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.920 Let's bring him in. Let's bring in mister positivity himself. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:28.240 It's positive. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.000 Yeah, Hockey Carrollton. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.279 Marshaun, and Gavin, we have an incredible episode of politics 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.760 today straight from Marin County. 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.640 High School College Marin. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.520 That's one of only three coaches Gavin to win a 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.360 national championship, two of them and a Super Bowl former 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.000 head coach the Jets, the Patriots, and of course, the 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:07.920 Seattle Seahawks coach thirteen years with Seattle eligible for the 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.880 Hall of Fame this year, the legendary Pete Carroll thanks 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:11.640 for joining his peach. 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.000 What's up, Doug. We got a lot of bearer going 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:14.600 on right now. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.320 But by the way, which one of you two? I'm 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:18.920 curious which one of you two again in the Hall 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.480 of Fame? First? Mark Shawn or coach. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.640 I heard him just say that his favorite color was gold, 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:25.480 so maybe he might. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.040 Be Oh you remember that, huh? 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.520 I heard that? Yeah, by the. 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.200 Way, coach, I don't know if you heard. I mean, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.920 Marshawn just going completely crazy about all your positivity. You know, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.880 it doesn't matter what happened every damn day in every way, 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:41.880 you're all bringing that positivity. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:42.200 It said. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.840 It drove Marshawn completely crazy. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.800 I know, yeah, I know he could stand it. I 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.200 left get him up in the corner of the room. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.800 I sat the way back, you know, kind of making 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.760 a little statement, last guy in the room and all 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.440 that kind of stuff. And I know it just pissed 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.320 him off because he thought I was trying to make 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.400 him have fun and be positive too. I didn't care 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.240 about him. He was it's fun guys. 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.600 Hey, coach, Well, before we begin, Coach, did you ever 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.280 think in a million years you would be doing a 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:08.600 podcast with more shaan? 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.920 Uh? You know, I thought I thought he may be 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:13.600 following me around here, I'm following him around. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.160 I'm not quite sure I was wrong, right, Man, Nah, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.200 I've been told you a long time ago, man enview. Man, 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:25.320 I do not understand y'all. I don't think y'all get it. Like, well, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.960 it'll be probably like on a you know, a Thursday. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:34.480 We got practice on Friday morning, and I'll be litt 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:39.600 as fuck. I'm talking about I'm littus fuck. I'm coming 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.400 too the facility like shit, maybe Fox Fox thirty because 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.160 I ain't gonna be late, and I'll just go into 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.719 the locker room and go to sleep in one of 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.199 the little big reclined chairs or something and a light 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.800 clockwork around five five thirty or something. Here come Pete 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.800 walking in that goddamn room with that the same energy 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.880 he just left it last day, bouncing around. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:01.120 Shit. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.200 Hey, hey, I'm going joint hell a bubble gum ship 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.920 and I'm like, how the fuck is you? 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.600 Brit You ain't even brush your teeth yet? 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:13.559 You happy than the motherfucker, Like, God damn, how you 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:14.000 do that? 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.640 Bro? You know what, I'm about to go back to 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:17.600 sleep for a minute. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.160 It's all about attitude. You got a good under your 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:24.199 don't and that doesn't ever has to be the same 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.840 obviously obviously, but uh but there's a lot of guys 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.000 that they kind of used it a little bit. You know, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.880 I was their attitude, So that's that's okay. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:34.960 Coach. Did you have that your whole life grown up? 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.640 Because obviously as everything ever since I you know, knew 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.520 you back in the day when you were coaching the Jets, 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:40.760 did you have that grown up as a kid? 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:41.439 Steam are in? 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.040 Were you always that guy that was upbeat energy and 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.720 and bringing everything together and attitude and that kind of stuff? 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.640 My mom my mom taught me that some goods just 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.839 about to happen. And I've never never lost sight of that, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:57.720 and uh, you know, and somehow they empowered me to 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.320 you get to do what you want to do and 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.560 have the attitude want to have. But it was always 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.920 about something just just around the corner was going to turn. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.440 So why would you be thinking glumming down and out? 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.400 And you know, because he was going to get good. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.439 And so I've been like that my whole life, I'm sure, coach. 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.520 I'm still trying to recover from Marshawn say. And he 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.080 came in lit uh. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.400 I mean, I'm trying to translate that exactly, you know, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.720 like lit up or you know, was something else. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.840 I was lit up, like I'll tell you that lit 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:31.120 up like a Christmas tree. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.000 The point was to me, you know, my guys were 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.760 all different and uh, and I want to give him 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.160 space to be what they needed to be he needed 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.560 to be and make his statement of what he was 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.560 all about it and I loved it. I mean I 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.320 told him just recently that it was so important for 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:48.840 me to get him to come to our team because 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.440 I wanted him to affect everybody on the team. And 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.360 I didn't care about him affecting it the way I 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:54.839 want him to affect it. I want him affect the 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.840 way he was gonna affect it. And I just figured 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:58.680 we'd work it out, you know, and we would figure 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.240 out a way to make it all fit and and uh, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.800 you know, and we did and he and hes still 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.760 pissed because he he didn't figure out I didn't care 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:07.440 that he was like you, I loved that he was 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:09.440 like he was, and I thought the more he was, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.800 the better it was for us. And and uh and 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.800 I could put up with him. I was okay, you know. 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.480 And if you heard him say he wasn't gonna get fined, 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.560 he knew. He knew that where that line was drawn, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:20.240 it was about the cash, and he was not going 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.320 to give up his money. So he stayed close enough 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:24.720 to it so it worked out just fine. 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.000 Hey, coach, take me through. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.320 You know, I think it was your second year there, 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.400 right when when I was talking to you and John 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.960 about trading for Marshawn when stuff is going on the 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:33.800 first year. 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:34.600 Was that your one? 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.760 Yeah, your one, and and and and you know, we're 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.199 talking about the trade and at the time the packers 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.960 want him and you guys want him, and we're going. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:42.439 Back and forth. 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.320 Take me through how that that trade changed kind of 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.720 the the tenor and the identity of Seattle and and 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.000 and and and really put you guys on the map 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.600 as far as what you built there. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:53.000 Correct. 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.079 Yeah, well, really this is how this worked. I wanted. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.680 I knew that I had missed Marshawn and recruiting and 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.720 uh uh, we had a whole plenty of guys, but 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.480 I missed him, and then we played against him, and 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.880 I knew who he was and knew about all this stuff. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.040 I knew a lot better after the recruiting than than before. 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.520 And so I already had this this, you know, kind 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.760 of notion of what he would be like. And he's 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.600 up there in Buffalo and he's kind of in trouble 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.760 and he's kind of pissing him on and the working out. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:21.320 Yeah and uh. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.640 Yeah, So so we tried to trade him for if 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.920 you remember Doug, it was for months. It really took 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:29.920 us three months to get them to say that they 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.439 would trade him to us. I don't know what else. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.080 They don't know what the packers or nothing else. But uh, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:35.880 you know, we kicked in a couple another five or 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.920 something for me, and they were they were hard on us. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.920 They didn't they didn't want to trade him, but they 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.400 knew that they kind of needed to, And to me, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.960 I was trying to get it. It was so important. There 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.480 was nobody I never pursued anybody like that. It was 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.080 so important because I wanted his attitude and his his 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.480 makeup on our team because we were down and out 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.000 club at the time. You know, we han't done anything 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.040 in the last years before I got there, and it 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:00.959 was time to see if we could turn it. And 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.440 he was such a big personality, uh that I thought 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.760 we could really build around and and you know, I 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.319 don't think many people thought of marshall the way back 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.440 in the day. I don't know, I don't know. Maybe 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:12.439 maybe there was others. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.360 I don't think no, because you guys, remember at that 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.360 point in time, motherfuckers had counted me out. A lot 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.000 of motherfuckers had counted me out. So that's one of 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.560 them situations where you get in the position and you say, like, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.600 you know what I mean, somebody else see something in you 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.000 that you don't see in yourself. 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:29.760 Now, not that I was. 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.440 Involved or you know, I mean I let you know 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.600 all the outside uh you know, consume my my thoughts 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.320 or my personality or whatever, but I mean, you know, 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.600 at that point, considering in Buffalo, you know, I'm not playing. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.959 Uh you know, I'm i'm i'm i'm I'm coming off 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.840 the bench, or I'm I'm suited and I'm not playing, 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:51.439 or I'm just saying regular street clothes on the sideline. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.680 So and go from from being on the on the 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.160 on the sideline and street clothes. You know what I 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:00.040 mean to the beast quake, you know, I mean that 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.640 that's a that's a yeah, I mean, that's that's some 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.120 some belief in a motherfucker though, you know what I'm 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:05.520 talking about. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.640 No, I definitely had conviction for you now, And I 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.840 can't even tell you why it was. It was so 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.360 obvious to me because nobody else saw John, and the 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.160 guys in the building didn't didn't see it the same way. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:17.719 But that's why I kept fighting for it, you know. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.920 And and finally it just, you know, I bugged him enough, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.800 I say, let's call him again. You know, there's really 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:23.960 I went down to that office a number of times 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:25.800 and he had to call again because I was making 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.520 them call again. And and finally something happened, you know. 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.120 And uh, it's just it was, you know, I took 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.520 a shot that you might be able to bounce back 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.680 in a big way, you know, because it wasn't working out, 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.680 and I knew I could help you work it out, 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.720 you know. I knew we could fit it together so 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.840 that would make sense and not I can't tell you 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.640 I knew how crazy it was going to be. But 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.360 but the rest of history is history, you know. And 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:54.200 and so really it was really the most important move 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.600 that we made in making the statement of the kind 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.120 of team we wanted to be and the kind of 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.800 personalities we wanted to jump around and play with. And uh, 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.600 and it really was. It was huge. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:05.240 Coach. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.480 It's interesting, I mean, you you were talking about, you know, 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.480 just letting players be there themselves and personalities take shape. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.040 Of course you're You're not only. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.400 It sounds like with Marshaun you weren't just looking for 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.160 the athletic talent. You're also looking for the attitude. You're 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:22.240 looking for someone that can express themself at another level. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.920 Is that something I mean, you spending all those years 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.680 and you know, usc working your way up obviously multiple 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.760 teams and then Seattle. Was that something that came to 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.760 you instinctly as a coach early on or you developed 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.840 that over time and then found that, you know, specific 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.400 at this time with these personalities that that can really 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:40.480 gel and express. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.000 Interestingly, the first year I was coaching the dB is 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:45.840 back at the University of Specific and a million years 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.560 before I got in trouble for having a meeting one 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.400 time with the players and asking what they needed to 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.920 work on. And we had a great meeting. Everybody had 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.640 ideas and suggestions, you know, and these we were lousy, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.920 fucked is the team, you know. But but we had 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:00.520 a great meeting and I can't run them back from 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.040 the meet the night meeting during camp, and ran into 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.600 the head coach, Chester katz And and told he coached, 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.160 I just had the best meeting. I can't believe how 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.120 I energized it was. These guys were so fired up, 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.080 and I asked, you know, I asked them of the 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:12.880 guys and what they needed to work on. And he 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.080 stopped me, cut me and said, don't you ever know, 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.920 in this big southern Kentucky draw, don't you ever you 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.880 know they ask the players what they want, you tell 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.240 them you're the coach. I said, okay, So so I 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.840 you know, I was. I was crushed because I thought 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.440 I'd really done something good. And by the time I 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.840 got to the next day, I was doing everything that 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.320 we said we were gonna do. The coach you know, 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.480 so and it worked out great and he never knew 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.920 it and all that, But the point was that I 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.720 never knew. The point was that that connecting with people, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.040 uh and and going to where they where they feel 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.200 good about themselves is a place of destination. Man, that 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.120 they can make a difference. And and whether it's one guy, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.040 it's it's you know, many people, a whole football team, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.160 a whole group of people. Uh, when you when they 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.760 feel your commitment to them and they know that you 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.680 care about what they're doing, and you know that. I've 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.720 always been that way, It's what I'm saying. I was 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.320 all the way back to my second year in coaching, 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.600 you know. So, Uh, it's always been part of it 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.600 and the part that always gets lost. And I can 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.600 even tell right now, Gavin, you're thinking, Okay, this is 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.000 Lucy Goosey and here's all these guys running all different directions. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.800 And you can't play football like that. You've got to 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.159 have discipline. You've got to have a consistency to it. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.359 You've got to have you know, rules and guidelines and 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.080 things to keep people in order. But that doesn't mean 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.360 that you can't recognize the extraordinary uniqueness of the individuals. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.399 And when you do, and and and then you open 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.960 up to that and you receive them there like Marshaun 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.760