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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: You got Marshaw Bismall Lynch.

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Speaker 3: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Knewsome and you're listening to politickets.

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Speaker 1: You're knowing to be, You're known to be.

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Speaker 4: Marshawn likes this nice jersey right there, Marshawn, how you doing?

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Speaker 4: They just dust that off today for you.

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Speaker 5: Marshawn, No, man, your little Homer Simpson three hairs at

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Speaker 5: the top of your head between them glasses and that

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Speaker 5: little mohawk thing on the top.

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Speaker 6: Of your Simpson out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got out, Help you out, man.

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Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of shit that was next level, Brue.

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Speaker 2: Marshawn's here's the deal, Like I told Marshawn did last night, Gavin,

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Speaker 2: I said, here's the problem. If you take a tape

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Speaker 2: measure from one to one hundred, the average life expectancy

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Speaker 2: is seventy five. I'm fifty five, So we cut out

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Speaker 2: zero to fifty five and then seventy five hundreds.

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Speaker 4: So that gives me and you, Gavin about eight more

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Speaker 4: good summer.

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Speaker 7: Really eight.

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Speaker 2: So what we have to do is start traveling with

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Speaker 2: Marshaan a little bit more, have a little bit more fun.

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Speaker 4: Right now, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: We gotta get some jail where you gotta lick your

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Speaker 5: And it smoothed that ship over a little bit here, right.

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Speaker 7: I got the jail.

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Speaker 6: That's that's what I do best.

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Speaker 7: But I don't man.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I also good Doug said he was

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Speaker 3: dusting off the jersey.

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Speaker 6: You took that a little personally, I know, marshawn I did.

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Speaker 6: It was old, bro old.

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Speaker 5: You know what I figured out I was old when

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Speaker 5: my brother sent me a congratulations this morning for for

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Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame thing, and I just realized, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, he's still playing this somebody who I was

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Speaker 5: coaching up since damn since he was ship, since he

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Speaker 5: came out the wound. And to hear him, to hear

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Speaker 5: him say that, it was just like, oh you you

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Speaker 3: By the way, guys, do you know this literally no

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Speaker 3: bs just today on my desk is a big brick.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, what the hell is this brick?

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Speaker 3: And a bunch of folks had signed it, some of

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Speaker 3: the guards and some of those incarcerated folks in Quentin.

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Speaker 3: They just tore down that wall. Talk about tear down

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Speaker 3: the wall that was built in eighteen sixty. Remember you

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Speaker 3: saw that temporary fence in Quenton. They literally just bulldozed

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Speaker 3: that damn thing down and there was a brick sitting

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Speaker 3: on my desk again.

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Speaker 6: But talk about bringing people.

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Speaker 5: Gavin, you can't be using that shit like is you

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Speaker 5: don't fucking goddamn amusement.

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Speaker 1: Park Man, you getting, You're getting souvenir bricks and shit.

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Speaker 6: No, you in this. It's not my damn amusement.

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Speaker 3: I know you all greeks of damn Amusic. Why is

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Speaker 3: he so happy in prison? I'm trying to stay out

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Speaker 3: of prison. No, man, the brick, but the brick it

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Speaker 3: represents what you're just saying. It was signed by some

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Speaker 3: of the guards, called some of the inmates, and they

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Speaker 3: sent it to me man, because it's about people coming

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Speaker 3: together speaking of that day. And just before we bring

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Speaker 3: up Pete, I'm serious, Marshaan, this has got to be

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Speaker 3: interesting you and Pete Carroll. Have you guys had a

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Speaker 3: lot of conversations over the course of the last couple of years.

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Speaker 6: I mean, how many times you guys engaged?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta remember I went back and uh and

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Speaker 5: played for another season. You played, I know, I'll call

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Speaker 5: it a season if I played a game. It's a season.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I.

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Speaker 4: Get you played three games?

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Speaker 7: It was four?

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Speaker 1: I think?

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Speaker 4: Was it for no? It was the last.

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Speaker 2: It was the last game against the Niners, and then

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Speaker 6: By the way, the only thing I remember about that, Doug,

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Speaker 6: you remember it well too.

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Speaker 3: It is like beas Quake two point zero, when you

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Speaker 3: came out and leadies have gone to introduced the rest

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Speaker 3: Music up, We're on the field. Next letter, Doug was like,

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Speaker 3: Doug was like a kid.

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Speaker 4: It's like, get ready, man.

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Speaker 6: Doug was so nervous, like it's about to happen.

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Speaker 3: And it was like, I mean, and I never span

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Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, that's the beauty of that game. Guy.

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Speaker 4: That was the only game where Shawn didn't yell at

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Speaker 5: Shut the fuck up. You know what, hey, bro, you

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Speaker 5: know what you are? Prankster, my dude? You know what

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Speaker 5: they call you. The younger kids in today's time right now,

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Speaker 5: they would call you a troll.

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Speaker 6: You know, it was very cool.

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Speaker 3: I met Pete Carroll five or six times, but just hello,

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Speaker 3: goodbye in passing Doug. Remember before the game, Pete came

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Speaker 3: guy is just a little different. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: we can talk about that, but just as a personal

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Speaker 3: and uh, and obviously we're bsing about Marshawn behind Marshawn's

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Speaker 6: Are right now.

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Speaker 1: But oh ship see look that's y'all. That's y'all.

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Speaker 5: Uh, that's y'all Marine connection, cause you ain't y'all y'all

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Speaker 5: from the same hood.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, San Francisco in connection.

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Speaker 1: Oh my bad.

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Speaker 6: That's how we rolled Redwood High School. Bro, my high school.

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Speaker 3: That's why, that's why Pete has been so successful in

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Speaker 3: his life.

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Speaker 1: Oh he got that bad. It's oh, it's in you,

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Speaker 6: Hunt. That's what it's about. Those public school kids.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you this. I was in Seattle for

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Speaker 5: what maybe eight nine years and I'm talking about every

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Speaker 5: single day. This motherfucker. Pete would come in with the

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Speaker 5: same energy when lose draw rain sleep snow. I don't

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Speaker 5: give a fuck what it was. He came in every

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Speaker 1: I used to ask. I used to ask that motherfucker

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Speaker 1: want on? Bro?

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Speaker 5: Because I need some of that ship. Because the way

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Speaker 5: you come in and in this negrit it was never

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Speaker 5: never negative, never negative, never negative until he pulled yell

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Speaker 1: Now we've got to throw these hands, but it was never.

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Speaker 1: He was never. You couldn't catch this dude in a

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Speaker 4: Everlse, we bring him in, Marshawn.

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Speaker 6: Let's bring him in. Let's bring in mister positivity himself.

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Speaker 1: It's positive.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Hockey Carrollton.

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Speaker 2: Marshaun, and Gavin, we have an incredible episode of politics

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Speaker 2: today straight from Marin County.

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Speaker 4: High School College Marin.

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Speaker 2: That's one of only three coaches Gavin to win a

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Speaker 2: national championship, two of them and a Super Bowl former

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame this year, the legendary Pete Carroll thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining his peach.

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Speaker 7: What's up, Doug. We got a lot of bearer going

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Speaker 7: on right now.

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Speaker 6: But by the way, which one of you two? I'm

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Speaker 6: curious which one of you two again in the Hall

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Speaker 6: of Fame? First? Mark Shawn or coach.

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Speaker 7: I heard him just say that his favorite color was gold,

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Speaker 7: so maybe he might.

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Speaker 1: Be Oh you remember that, huh?

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Speaker 7: I heard that? Yeah, by the.

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Speaker 3: Way, coach, I don't know if you heard. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Marshawn just going completely crazy about all your positivity. You know,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what happened every damn day in every way,

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Speaker 3: you're all bringing that positivity.

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Speaker 7: It said.

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Speaker 6: It drove Marshawn completely crazy.

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Speaker 7: I know, yeah, I know he could stand it. I

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Speaker 7: I sat the way back, you know, kind of making

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Speaker 7: him have fun and be positive too. I didn't care

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Speaker 2: Hey, coach, Well, before we begin, Coach, did you ever

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Speaker 2: think in a million years you would be doing a

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Speaker 2: podcast with more shaan?

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Speaker 7: Uh? You know, I thought I thought he may be

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Speaker 7: following me around here, I'm following him around.

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Speaker 5: I'm not quite sure I was wrong, right, Man, Nah,

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Speaker 5: I've been told you a long time ago, man enview. Man,

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Speaker 5: I do not understand y'all. I don't think y'all get it. Like, well,

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Speaker 5: We got practice on Friday morning, and I'll be litt

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Speaker 5: as fuck. I'm talking about I'm littus fuck. I'm coming

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Speaker 5: I ain't gonna be late, and I'll just go into

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Speaker 5: clockwork around five five thirty or something. Here come Pete

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Speaker 5: walking in that goddamn room with that the same energy

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Speaker 5: he just left it last day, bouncing around.

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Speaker 1: Shit.

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Speaker 5: Hey, hey, I'm going joint hell a bubble gum ship

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, how the fuck is you?

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Speaker 1: Brit You ain't even brush your teeth yet?

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Speaker 5: You happy than the motherfucker, Like, God damn, how you

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Speaker 5: do that?

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Speaker 1: Bro? You know what, I'm about to go back to

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Speaker 7: It's all about attitude. You got a good under your

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Speaker 7: don't and that doesn't ever has to be the same

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Speaker 7: I was their attitude, So that's that's okay.

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Speaker 4: Coach. Did you have that your whole life grown up?

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Speaker 2: Because obviously as everything ever since I you know, knew

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Speaker 2: did you have that grown up as a kid?

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Speaker 4: Steam are in?

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Speaker 2: Were you always that guy that was upbeat energy and

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Speaker 7: My mom my mom taught me that some goods just

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Speaker 7: So why would you be thinking glumming down and out?

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Speaker 7: And you know, because he was going to get good.

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Speaker 7: And so I've been like that my whole life, I'm sure, coach.

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Speaker 7: The point was to me, you know, my guys were

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Speaker 2: Take me through how that that trade changed kind of

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, really this is how this worked. I wanted.

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Speaker 5: I don't think no, because you guys, remember at that

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Speaker 1: Now, not that I was.

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Speaker 5: Involved or you know, I mean I let you know

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Speaker 7: No, I definitely had conviction for you now, And I

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, I mean, you you were talking about, you know,

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Speaker 6: Of course you're You're not only.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like with Marshaun you weren't just looking for

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Speaker 7: Interestingly, the first year I was coaching the dB is

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Speaker 7: I just had the best meeting. I can't believe how

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Speaker 7: you know, No, it's not. Most people don't do it

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Speaker 5: So I want to ask you something like with with

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Speaker 7: Well it's sports psychology.

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Speaker 5: How much of that do you think played a role?

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Speaker 7: had written stuff on their own, done their own stuff.

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00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 7: The guy Tim Galway wrote the inter Game of Tennis,

442
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 7: and Michael Murphy was the guy who wrote about golf

443
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 7: and he did some amazing things in his own studies.

444
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,879
Speaker 7: He was the guy that had started Ethelyn the Institute

445
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 7: down on the coast. Uh. Those two guys in particular,

446
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 7: not only did we get to read their books, but

447
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 7: we got to we had to meet them and be

448
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 7: with them and hang out with them, and and and

449
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,720
Speaker 7: and developed the friendship relationship with them and I so much.

450
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 7: I was affected so much by the way they thought

451
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 7: and the way that they presented their stuff. And they

452
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 7: were totally different, they were the same. But both those

453
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 7: guys still to this very day, I still preach right

454
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 7: from the Gospel of what those guys believed in. And

455
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 7: they were really something about about performance and about they

456
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 7: both were highly influenced by Eastern philosophy and their young

457
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 7: days when when they went and did their you know,

458
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 7: their mission over in India and wherever they went, Uh,

459
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 7: they came back and they had a slant to it

460
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 7: that made sense to me that I've never lost contact with.

461
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 7: And it's really about helping people perform, uh totally in

462
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 7: trusting themselves and totally in command of their moments and

463
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 7: their times, and and creating the moments and the mindfulness

464
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 7: that it takes to really be at your best. And

465
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 7: so throughout all. I mean, I've never talked about those guys.

466
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 7: I would never mention those those guys to you as

467
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,199
Speaker 7: a team. But I was working from that mentality of

468
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 7: helping people get to the very best of what they

469
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 7: had to offer. And that's why it is why it

470
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 7: was so important to to champion the individuals and to

471
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 7: find the place where each player could be at his

472
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 7: best and what he needed to be at his best.

473
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 7: That's why I could have Marshan, and they could have Richard,

474
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 7: and they could have Doug Baldwin and all the cam

475
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 7: and all the different guys that were the personalities. They

476
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 7: were all able to find their own space and be

477
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 7: comfortable with it. But yet I was I was there

478
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 7: and kick their asks to make them great at what

479
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 7: what they were capable of doing too, and so all

480
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 7: of that blended together, Sean. So yeah, it goes way

481
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 7: back and that was it never left me and I

482
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 7: wrote about it in the book I did you know

483
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 7: ten years or fifteen years ago, whatever it was, All

484
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 7: that stuff was all part of my makeup that I

485
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,959
Speaker 7: never lost. And it was really the cool part about it.

486
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 7: And Marshaan was one of the best at He just

487
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 7: needed to be in his own space. He didn't want

488
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 7: anybody to fuck with him in any way. He didn't

489
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 7: want anybody to, you know, try to get him this

490
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 7: way or get him that way. Just leave me alone.

491
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 7: And if you watched him after you make touchdowns, you

492
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 7: know he wouldn't celebrate, you know, other than grabbing his

493
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 7: nuts on the big run.

494
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 6: Talk about that.

495
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 4: You probably need a PhD.

496
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: You know, after the Super Bowl loss with the player,

497
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: I mean that was take me through that time after

498
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: the game, because obviously, I mean that wasn't just one day,

499
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 2: one week that was that was months and months, and

500
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: I mean, take me through your mindset after that game

501
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: with how do you? I mean I had to be

502
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: Take me through your mindset. That'd be very very tough.

503
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine being in your shoes.

504
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because motherfucker tried to whoop your ass.

505
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 7: Let me back you up a bit. If you remember

506
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 7: when I was at st we played Texas and we

507
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 7: were in the Rose Bowl and we get down like

508
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 7: seventeen seconds left or something like that, fourth and seven,

509
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 7: nineteen seconds left, fourth and seven from the seven yard line.

510
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 7: If we don't want that, if we just stopped the

511
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 7: dude right there, we don't won the third straight national

512
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 7: championship that I ain't been done before. And we were

513
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 7: right at the precipice of doing everything. We had won

514
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 7: every game for years up until that at that point

515
00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 7: right there, and bang, you know, he scrambles. They the

516
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 7: running back screwed up the protection. We send double b

517
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 7: and he releases instead of blocks the backer like he's

518
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 7: supposed to. So we lose across the record and contain

519
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 7: it's all the football stuff, but and the guy scrambled

520
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 7: in the end zone, and so we go in the

521
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 7: locker room. You know, minutes later, I'm talking to this team.

522
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 7: We were on the verge of, you know, something absolutely historic.

523
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 7: And and what I my thought was that those seventeen

524
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 7: seconds or nineteen second one going to find us we

525
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 7: were what we were. And I carried that thought to

526
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 7: the moment that that stupid fricking play happened in that

527
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 7: game where they get to pick and to change the

528
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 7: whole game. And the instant that I bent down to

529
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 7: think about, I knew it was gonna you know, there,

530
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 7: I would have to be ready for moments like this,

531
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 7: and these years of coaching is this is that moment,

532
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 7: and you're gonna have to be a stud and I

533
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 7: was gonna have to, you know, handle it, and because

534
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 7: I was going to stand up for everybody and they're

535
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 7: all gonna be pissed just like you were. The whole world.

536
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 7: And Marshaw and I have talked about this in the past.

537
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 7: You know, that was a meaningful moment and we lost

538
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 7: all that that would have been two in a row.

539
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 7: We might have come back one three in a row,

540
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 7: is way I feel about it. But uh, And so anyway,

541
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 7: it was huge, and it was but you had to

542
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 7: deal with it, and you had to deal with it,

543
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 7: and I had to be the leader and I had

544
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 7: to stand up for it and take the hit and

545
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 7: just you know, okay, you know, take as my call

546
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 7: and the whole thing. And I was willing to do

547
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 7: that for everybody else. And I mean he was pissed

548
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 7: at me, and the fellows were pissed at me.

549
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 5: Everything was you know, with with with that band said,

550
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 5: a lot of players from that team don't feel that,

551
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, considering your philosophy and what you

552
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 5: stood for and what you got a lot of those

553
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 5: guys to believe in, they don't feel that, you know.

554
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 5: I mean you you you owned it from a perspective

555
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 5: of which they would have liked you to own it.

556
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 5: Because then it started to get rough over there, well,

557
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 5: it started to get rough for it got really rough

558
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 5: for us though, to a point where it was like, yeah,

559
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 5: I mean, and and the way I the way I

560
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 5: think about it is like, uh, considering and like everybody, Oh,

561
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 5: you should have just ran the ball with Marshan.

562
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: You know this, that and the third.

563
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 5: But you know, considering you know and the type of

564
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 5: player I am, and you know, ship from what you

565
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 5: just said to you know, any teammate of mine, I'll

566
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 5: tell you like no, Marshan for show is a is

567
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 5: a team player in which you know what I mean.

568
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, I know a lot

569
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 5: of a lot of guys took that ship a lot

570
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 5: harder even than I did, because of because of what

571
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 5: you instilled and you know, I mean that Seahawk team.

572
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 5: So when I start thinking about it and I think

573
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 5: about your mindset and you know, the psychology of you know,

574
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 5: of people, but then you know, putting it into a

575
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 5: term of ball players and then having this moment of

576
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 5: of I'm gonna say, for us was like, uh was

577
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 5: failure and then not for it to be you know,

578
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 5: I mean something that a fa us personally because you know,

579
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 5: I mean we felt like we was on that type

580
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 5: of time and then a lot of them felt like,

581
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 5: you know, we were stripped of it.

582
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know I felt the same way. There's no

583
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 7: there's nobody is better compared than I am about the

584
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 7: whole thing I was trying to I would have done

585
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 7: anything in my power to change the moment, but the

586
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 7: moment just happened so quickly. It was gone. It was

587
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 7: gone before it even happened, And I wish I would

588
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 7: have been able to affect it differently, but I didn't.

589
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 7: I couldn't. You know. It had nothing to do with

590
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 7: all of the storylines. Marshaan and I talked about it. It

591
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 7: had nothing to do with all the storylines about some

592
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 7: other players or some other agenda. There was not That's

593
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 7: not how the game works. It happened so fast they

594
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 7: substitute we do this bump calls made. It just happened,

595
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 7: and we got smacked in the freaking nuts by it.

596
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 7: But you know, it's interesting, you guys got us on

597
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 7: this this talk together because nobody had to deal with

598
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 7: this more than Marshan and myself. I mean, nobody had

599
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 7: to ever deal with that. And we carried our whole

600
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 7: life and it's just something that it's affected us both

601
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 7: in different ways and all that. But but hey, it

602
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 7: met us part of our life, and that's that's what

603
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 7: we had to deal with it. We had to get

604
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 7: on and we have and uh, he's kicking ass and

605
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 7: I'm retired.

606
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: Because as a non football guy, I don't know that.

607
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd asked for Sean. Was it was

608
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 2: the call from BEVL or was you made the call?

609
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: Or how how did that?

610
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: Well? Who made the call?

611
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 7: We did the way we always did, Okay, it was

612
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 7: There's there's defensive coordinators, offensive coordinators. They call this stuff.

613
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 7: We play the game, and I'm responsible for every call

614
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 7: that was ever made, that's all, Doug.

615
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 5: If you didn't catch that, Bevil made the motherfucking call

616
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 5: and Pete didn't get to it quick enough to get

617
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 5: out of that motherfucker, that's how that.

618
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: That's how what he just told you in a nutshell

619
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about.

620
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 5: But I mean, look, with with that being said, like

621
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 5: you know, I mean because me and you we had

622
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: a conversation when we talked, uh yesterday and uh, I

623
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 5: was just talking about how, you know, how it affected

624
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 5: my life and you know after that moment, you know,

625
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 5: I was telling you like I was having a conversation

626
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 5: with some ex players and you know, like.

627
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, if you get that uh, if they give.

628
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: You the ball again, you go in and you score,

629
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 5: you get the MVP of the super Bowl, and you know,

630
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 5: I mean it, it is what it is. And I

631
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 5: was like the fact that that didn't happen. It's almost

632
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 5: to the point where it was like, you know, like

633
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 5: that one guy in a movie that everybody rooting for

634
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 5: that just quite he just don't make it. And now

635
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 5: I'm living a life of that guy. But I'm actually

636
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 5: here to experience what it would be for an individual

637
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 5: to you know what I mean, live life after you know,

638
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 5: I mean all that, uh, after that, after that downfall,

639
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 5: and I mean, you know, and in reality has been

640
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 5: you know, I mean uh, I mean by the graces

641
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 5: of God is like you mean, uh, he.

642
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: Blessed you in so many ways.

643
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 5: And it's more so like by me not you know

644
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 5: what I mean, getting that ball or us not running

645
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 5: that ball in uh. I feel like it made a

646
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 5: stain on the world to where, no matter what the

647
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 5: situation is, that particular play is always gonna be talked about.

648
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 5: And the fact of the matter is like you know,

649
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 5: Tom Brady winn uh, I mean, win another Super Bowl,

650
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 5: Malcolm Butler going, you know, become the MVP of the game,

651
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, But no matter what you

652
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 5: talk about that Super Bowl. It always just come down

653
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 5: to the fact like, oh they didn't didn't give oh

654
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 5: boy the ball.

655
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: Marshing the ball and they lost, Like oh my god.

656
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 5: Like that shit turned my life in a way that

657
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 5: I could never imagine because I asked those guys the

658
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 5: same guy, I say, well, who want to who won

659
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl MVP the year before? And they're like, oh,

660
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson want to, Like, Nah, Russell Wilson didn't win it.

661
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 5: Oh Percy Harvin, Percy Grvin got no, Percy Harvin didn't.

662
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 5: And it's like Malcolm Smith did. Oh yeah, I was

663
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 5: gonna say, Malcolm, Yeah, I mean you add who didn't

664
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 5: who didn't win the Super Bowl? And the next year

665
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 5: and that oh Marshan they should have gaven him. And

666
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, I mean that, Doug, you like

667
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 5: to use it post the rise. It it boasted my

668
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 5: life and my career to a level of you know,

669
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 5: I mean some that I could not have, you know,

670
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 5: I mean understood or even imagine that my life could be.

671
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's an amazing it's an amazing perception that you

672
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 7: have of that, and and you're it's the truth. You're

673
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 7: just talking the truth. That's what That's what happened. It's

674
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 7: good that something good came from it, you know what

675
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 7: I mean, that's all that you know that sounds like

676
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 7: me does something good came out of that the crap

677
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 7: that we had to go through and live with, and

678
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 7: you know, they ain't going away. And that's I knew

679
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 7: in that moment, it ain't going away that we're gonna

680
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 7: have this forever. It's a statement about how regardless of

681
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 7: what happens in your life you we still have the

682
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 7: ability to make of it which we what we want.

683
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 7: And it's no matter how dark it as horrible a

684
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 7: situation or the hugest mistake you could ever have made, whatever,

685
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 7: it's still there's there's a life to follow it. And

686
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 7: if you if you, if you hang in there and

687
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 7: you keep battling. I mean, that's just the basical story

688
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 7: of it. But both of us men. Wherever I go

689
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 7: now as a retired guy, people freaking boring to get

690
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 7: over me, to get to me, to get into a picture,

691
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 7: an autograph or whatever. They don't talk about the super Bowl,

692
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 7: you know, they don't mention that they're there.

693
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

694
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 7: I just I get so much love that I couldn't

695
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 7: ask for more. I'm shocked by it and I had

696
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 7: no idea.

697
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: It's the exact opposite for me. So in a sense,

698
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: it really showed me like how.

699
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 5: Much you know, I mean, the the world and people

700
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 5: really you know, I mean, fuck with me from a

701
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 5: respect level, and I really like I to me, I

702
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 5: can I appreciate that shit to the max, like you

703
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 5: know what I mean, because before that, like you know

704
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 5: what I mean, considering like when I first got there

705
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: and motherfuckers had counted me out, you know what I mean,

706
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 5: all he washed up, he done, you know what I mean,

707
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 5: stick a fork in.

708
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: He it's over with He a thug, he is, he'd

709
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: a blah blah blah.

710
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 5: But then to see on the out, on my way

711
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 5: out and the realities to that shit is like, nah,

712
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 5: people really fuck with me on some like nah, we

713
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 5: really fuck with you, shine, Like we really wish we

714
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: would have been able to see you do that. And

715
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 5: since you know we wasn't able to, like even though

716
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 5: it didn't happen, we feel that it did, and we

717
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 5: gonna show you the love and the respect as if

718
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 5: it did happen, So you know what I mean, Like

719
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 5: I said, I really fucked with the people for really

720
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 5: fucking with me on some you know what I mean,

721
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 5: on some real like to me, cause that's some real shit,

722
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 5: like if you get me four opportunities down there for

723
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 5: show just my stubborn like Tom Hell is stubborn like

724
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 5: you ain't Finna just not allowed me to get up

725
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 5: in this motherfucker.

726
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: Now, at the end of the day, shit happened, you

727
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

728
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 5: I done fumbled, you know what I mean, done, got

729
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 5: tackled for a loss, all the type of ship that happened.

730
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: But if you look at the situation and see how

731
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 5: many times I go forward then I went backwards. We

732
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 5: gonna take that. We don't. We don't take that opportunity.

733
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 5: We gonna give you that chance. So I mean, you know,

734
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 5: as much as I could look at would happened, Look

735
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 5: as much as I could look at and be upset this,

736
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: that and the third. You know what I mean, My my, my,

737
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 5: my biggest thing is whenever somebody say that to me.

738
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 5: And I'm pretty sure like anytime I step outside on

739
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 5: a day to day base, like at least once somebody

740
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 5: you know, mention that to me. Uh you know about

741
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 5: you know about that play, and it's just get to

742
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 5: the point where it's like, uh, you say, what's that

743
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 5: big dog?

744
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 7: No, No, just tell us it's your life, you know what,

745
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 7: It's gonna keep coming this that's not gonna change. And

746
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 7: it's it's love. Really, they're showing you the love and

747
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 7: they they feel for you, you.

748
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, man, so I respect that.

749
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 5: So just know that if you come up to me

750
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 5: and you you say something though I'm not the most

751
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 5: you know, I mean receiving or you know, outspoken.

752
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: Or ye know what I mean?

753
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 5: Uh, what do you call approachable or friendly or whatever?

754
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 5: But just know that I really do appreciate that ship

755
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 5: and I do have a lot of love and respect.

756
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 5: And the love is is bulletproof, you know what I

757
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 5: mean when you show me love and respect on a

758
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 5: sense that you can appreciate you know, I mean the

759
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 5: body of work that I put in.

760
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: So I just want to tell everybody I appreciate you

761
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: for that.

762
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: My Hey, Doug, the only two. It sounds like Coach

763
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: and Marshawn have moved on and different different and they've

764
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: translated this differently. Of course you and I haven't. We're

765
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: still raw about this damn thing. But that's a different conversation.

766
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: By the way, I feel like I'm listening to the.

767
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 6: Stoics this is.

768
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: Like Marcus aurelia is talking about the obstacles the way.

769
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: It's not what happens to you is what we do

770
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: with what happens that determine our faith in future. But

771
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: I love this notion that you guys have translated it

772
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: in different ways but ultimately recognizing, uh, that these are

773
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: moments in our life. And at the same time, you know,

774
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: let's be honest, we've all had those moments. I think

775
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: about political terms, you know, what about the emails, and

776
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: it is something that that ultimately you can't.

777
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 6: Completely dismiss and coach.

778
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: I imagine, you know, despite the fact that you know

779
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: it's got a still you know, it's hard to hard

780
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: to fully recover.

781
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 6: From those decisions.

782
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: But I love that you had this experience before. So

783
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: you you are you exaggerating when you say when you

784
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: were leaning over that you literally had that memory of

785
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: of that that rose ball game in your mind literally

786
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: going through in real time.

787
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 7: It was it was the moment of realization that I'm

788
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 7: this is this is the job I got, this is

789
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 7: what I'm gonna have to deal with and I'm gonna

790
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 7: have to deal with this now on and so and

791
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 7: I thought before I even raised back up, the thought was,

792
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 7: I want to do it and be the epitome of

793
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 7: of how you can handle stuff like this and put

794
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 7: it in the right spot. But meanwhile it's gonna be

795
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 7: just hell. And that's it's been. It's been like that,

796
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 7: you know, if you're you compete like we do. Yeah,

797
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 7: I don't ever get there's I don't ever get over

798
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 7: that stuff. I don't put it away. I don't get

799
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 7: over it at all. I carry it right to this

800
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 7: very moment. I would do anything to change that that moment,

801
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 7: but I don't get to, you know, so I gotta deal

802
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 7: with it. So I'm gonna deal with it.

803
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 5: I got I got a way you could get over

804
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 5: you in the phone booth for thirty seconds and we

805
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 5: just go straight all body shots and just I mean.

806
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 6: This was going so well.

807
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 5: Man, it was for a minute, like, man, I wanted

808
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 5: to put so many hands and feet on you. But

809
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 5: you know what, because I respect my elders and I

810
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 5: know you like ninety four right.

811
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: So man, you know I can't go out, you know

812
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: what I mean?

813
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: He coach but I when I shake coach, and I'll

814
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 2: you know the story, Gavin. But you know, after the game,

815
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, Pete was incredible because he recognized that, you know,

816
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: we're going through some contract talks. And remember, Coach, you

817
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: immediately say, hey, listen, we gotta we got to get

818
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: him done. And normally, timing wise, this would be probably

819
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: some point and uh, you know, the summer, and you

820
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: recognize it was important to kind of get him redone

821
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 2: and you engage with Paul Allen and we got together,

822
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: remember in your office for Paul's office, and we got

823
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: him done, you know, probably a month after Super Bowl,

824
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: which was I think was an important part.

825
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: And you led that charge, Coach. I appreciate that.

826
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 7: Well. Remember we went back to the playoffs the next

827
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 7: year too, you know, we made it through that the

828
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 7: garbage of it all. And and like Marshawn and I

829
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 7: both agree, if if we'd have won that game, we

830
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 7: probably would have won the next game too. I think

831
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 7: we would have. It would have been totally obviously a

832
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 7: different thing circumstances.

833
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: The league agree with They Yeah.

834
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I mean, well I think all of

835
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 7: us knew that. You know, there was just that time

836
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 7: that we could have captured. But anyway, so that yeah,

837
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 7: those were just the gestures, you know, showing the faith

838
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 7: and the love that Marshawn can't do anything. Matter of fact,

839
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 7: let me tell you one more story. The uh when

840
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 7: Marshawn comes back, it comes back to us after being

841
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 7: out on about for a couple of years. The first thing,

842
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 7: he comes walking down the hall to my office and

843
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 7: he and he starts apologizing, whatever you were doing, you

844
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 7: felt bad about. Whatever, you have to No, no, no, no,

845
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 7: you don't have to say nothing. You don't have to

846
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 7: say a word. I know, I know where your heart is,

847
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 7: I know where I know where we are. I got

848
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 7: no problem, and I'm not gonna not love you no

849
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 7: matter what happens. It doesn't no matter what was said

850
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 7: or what's done. I know when in the long run

851
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 7: of it all, we're all going to be connected back

852
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 7: together again. And so and and it was. It was

853
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 7: such a cool gesture that you wanted to, you know,

854
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 7: try to clear the air or whatever. But you didn't

855
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 7: need need to. I didn't need it. I didn't need

856
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 7: to hear that. I knew.

857
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think before that time, I think I

858
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 5: was on some ship, like hey, if I see you brow,

859
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 5: I'm gonna beat this ship out of you.

860
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 7: Know you aren't.

861
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 4: You know you aren't.

862
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 7: You may say you are. You gotta realize I ain't

863
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 7: going down now. You're not gonna knock me down.

864
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 5: So when I'm coming in the office and I'm coming

865
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 5: for a job, like hey, I don't want like you know,

866
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 5: if I know he thinks I'm gonna come and swing

867
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 5: on him, he probably gonna be a little like.

868
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 7: This jo.

869
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: Like I told you got that stewe Joel right.

870
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 6: Now, Boin by the way, by the way, coach, I

871
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 6: don't know if you know this.

872
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: I'm responsible for getting Marshawn to the hotel right after

873
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: the game.

874
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 6: And he was completely docile, completely calm, sitting in the

875
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 6: front seat, turned on the music, had a drink I

876
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 6: don't know what the hell with, some whiskey or something.

877
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: Nah, that was some pure white Hennessy.

878
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 6: Whatever the hell it was.

879
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: And he had a window my blunt and you guys

880
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: weren't it I don't even know if you were off

881
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: the damn field. And he's he's he calmly says, let's

882
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: get the hell out of here, batman. So we're driving

883
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: through when the parking lot. People are just starting a

884
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: couple of people leaving the game. Most people weren't even

885
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 3: leaving the game. And he's just casually, calmly listening to music.

886
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there back back of the car with Doug going. Man,

887
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: Marshawn is taking us very responsibly and respectfully. Appreciate his maturity.

888
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: And now I'm here, and he wanted to beat the

889
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: shit out of you, and he was gonna come get

890
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: your ass.

891
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 6: Fine in a fun I mean this, you shattered everything.

892
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 6: Marshaan shattered it.

893
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 7: Oh.

894
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: Man would look I mean, you know.

895
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 7: He always stretched a little bit now, Jesus Christ.

896
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: Oh he wasn't shocked though, Coach, he was flat out

897
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: in shock because we got out of the car and

898
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: shit out of me.

899
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm just the driver, bro, I'm the other

900
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 6: guy got you.

901
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 4: Home because somebody asked the question.

902
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: And as as thirty years of an agent, those six

903
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: seven eight years in Seattle, it was like it was iconic.

904
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 4: It was rock star status.

905
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: The town was crazy, I mean everything about it, and

906
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: you were blessed, Coach, to have two teams like that.

907
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: USC for those years was the same way.

908
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you compare the two, because literally,

909
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if another coach had both sides like

910
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: you did, other than you know, Bearry Switzer at Oklahoma

911
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: and the Cowboys obviously.

912
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 4: But and maybe Jimmy Johnson Miami.

913
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: But you had literally two beatles rolling stones of teams.

914
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 4: How do you compare the two? And the environments in

915
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 4: LA and Seattle and all that stuff.

916
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 7: I'm curious. There's nothing that compares to the SD thing

917
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 7: in this regard. We won every game for three years straight.

918
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 7: I mean, think about that, and we won thirty something

919
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 7: games in a row and all the way to that

920
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 7: Texas game, and had we won that one, what would happen?

921
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: You know?

922
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 7: So there was a golden time there, back to gold

923
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 7: the golden time there that was just extraordinary. And I

924
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 7: felt like, you know, I I had arrived my calling

925
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 7: and coaching, my life had already happened. I mean, that

926
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 7: couldn't be any better than that, but I did have

927
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 7: I did feel the challenge because of the competitiveness, the

928
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 7: challenge go to the NFL and take the mentality of

929
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 7: taking care of people and loving people up and helping them,

930
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 7: you know, be the best they could be. I want

931
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 7: to see if it would happen in the NFL, I

932
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 7: really because I was always I had become an NFL

933
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 7: guy for all the years I've been in there, and

934
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 7: so I like that challenge is the ultimate challenge. And

935
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 7: so so we make you know, we get our run

936
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 7: going and we're rolling and it. But let me say this,

937
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 7: there's never enough wins. There's never enough wins. And it's, uh,

938
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 7: you know, that's what I'm saying. Thirty four in the

939
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 7: row or whatever. Okay, there should have been thirty five,

940
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 7: you know, and then there's never enough, and so it

941
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 7: keeps you coming back. But yet it also kicks your ass,

942
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 7: you know. And and so in Seattle, you know, we

943
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 7: don't win every game. You know, we won over ten

944
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 7: games a year for fourteen years or something whatever it was,

945
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 7: but it still wasn't enough, you know.

946
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: And so.

947
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 7: That stretch in in La was in the things that

948
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 7: we were doing in the city and all of the

949
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 7: stuff that was happening, and all the glorious moments that

950
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 7: we had, you know, in the Collie and all that stuff.

951
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 7: It was that was just the top to the top.

952
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 7: And I went to try to do it again. I

953
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 7: wanted to try to do that in Seattle too, But

954
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 7: you know, you can't win every game in the NFL.

955
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 7: It just doesn't happen, you know, So there's just never

956
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 7: enough wins.

957
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: Was there more pressure at US or Seattle? In your

958
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: painting and knowing it was a USC, I.

959
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 7: Didn't feel I didn't deal with that, and the pressure thing,

960
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 7: I didn't deal with that, really, I mean, that's not

961
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 7: I didn't even thought of it that way, you know.

962
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 7: I just ball coaching was not that I was a mercenary,

963
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 7: was fighting somebody else's wars, you know, and and going

964
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 7: forward and taking it as far as you could with

965
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 7: the highest of expectations. And I really didn't It wasn't

966
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 7: the pressure and that then. It was it was hard working,

967
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 7: you know, to keep everybody together and to make sure

968
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 7: that everybody's on the same page and everybody was loving

969
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 7: what we were doing. And I mean that it was

970
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 7: a challenge and all that, but it wasn't about the pressure.

971
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 7: I don't see it that way.

972
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: The coach despite I mean, you're suggesting to the lack

973
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: of pressure, which is remarkable that mindset. I mean, you've

974
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: been doing this a couple of decades coaching. Now you're

975
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: walking the campus at USC again teaching, not coaching. I mean,

976
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 3: is at next level decompression still processing or you just stayble?

977
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 3: Do you have that mindset? Whatever I'm doing, I'm doing,

978
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: that's my focus. What's my energy closing?

979
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 7: No, I'm competing. I'm competing to make this a great

980
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 7: freaking year. Now it's already been a great sum But

981
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 7: I'm I am. I mean, that's just frankly, how I'm doing.

982
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 7: I'm not doing that any I'm not doing anything different

983
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 7: at all in that regard that that the springtime, I'll be,

984
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 7: you know, at the st thing. But there's other stuff

985
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 7: going on. We're doing other things that I'm really excited about.

986
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 7: It's just different, you know, And and uh, my mentality

987
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 7: is so much it's so much different because all of

988
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 7: the little, uh the little nit pick and stuff that

989
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 7: you've got to be involved with when on the team,

990
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 7: when you're coach players, and all of it that's been

991
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 7: set aside now and so my mind is clear and

992
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 7: I'm freer to take it where I want to go.

993
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 7: And I love this sense coach.

994
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: What class are you? What class are you teaching over there?

995
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: Uh?

996
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 7: Well, we're gonna we're gonna be I'm gonna be teaching

997
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 7: the class with a gun named barn Sony who's the

998
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 7: dean of religious studies on campus, and he's a freaking

999
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 7: rock star, and he and I gotta do this thing

1000
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 7: together and uh we it's gonna be uh pop through

1001
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 7: the Business School to Marshall. It'll be it's gonna be

1002
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 7: very close to my heart. Let me just say that,

1003
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 7: I don't give away the title of what we're doing that,

1004
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 7: but it's gonna be very close to my heart and

1005
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 7: the stuff that that I believe in and and mixing

1006
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 7: it with with what veron news that he is an

1007
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 7: extraordinary uh uh instructor in all of ancient religions and

1008
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,479
Speaker 7: all the kind of cool things spirituality and so many

1009
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 7: things that he's gonna connect with us. It's gonna be uh,

1010
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 7: it's gonna be really something, I think. So we're all

1011
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 7: really excited about it.

1012
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: Well, we have more Sean with the cal degree and

1013
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: the Prince gree coach. He might he might be a

1014
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: guest lecture a few times with.

1015
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know and no one exactly Coach, don't buy

1016
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 6: any of that, bs No. Then again, he's got.

1017
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 7: Years for real.

1018
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: The hanging oh my goddamn on my wall.

1019
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 6: He does have evidence.

1020
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 7: All I heard is three point two was three point.

1021
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: Three point three point two.

1022
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: We do a special thing on the show code where

1023
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: we asked the governor questions, whatever question you want to

1024
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 2: ask the governor.

1025
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: Coach uh it balls in your court?

1026
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 7: Uh man, I got so many questions.

1027
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 6: Why did I sign the nil? By the way, first

1028
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 6: state to sign the nil? We can have that conversation.

1029
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 7: Oh lord, hey Gavin, that's a big mistake. Now, that's

1030
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 7: a huge mistake. Now I'm not even asking about that,

1031
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 7: but that's a huge error that we should should work

1032
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 7: to correct.

1033
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 6: You. I mean, no, bs, are you rid? I mean,

1034
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 6: are you that concerned about it that it's gone out

1035
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 6: of control?

1036
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 7: Absolutely? Think about it? Okay, you want to go there

1037
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 7: for a second. Think about those poor kids, Those poor kids,

1038
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 7: and those families and those moms and dads are figuring

1039
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 7: out how can I make money on my kid when

1040
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 7: he's he's a sophomore in high school and he's going

1041
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 7: to be a star, and they're thinking about stuff like

1042
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 7: that instead letting the kid go to school and be

1043
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 7: an athlete. What are you talking about? You know? And

1044
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 7: and attorneys and lawyers and reps and and just like

1045
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 7: Doug did are representing those high school kids? You know

1046
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 7: what is that all about? Who thought that was a

1047
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 7: good idea? It was I can talk about forever, but

1048
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 7: that's it should be changed. If you want to do

1049
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 7: something good, fix that.

1050
00:46:59,320 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 6: Fix that.

1051
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: I don't disagree, and I have strong opinions about the

1052
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 3: transfer portal and what's happened with that as well.

1053
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 6: Though you don't think that's a mean mess, but it's interesting.

1054
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: You never I mean you, I mean, but look with

1055
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: all all the money in college sports, particularly programs like

1056
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: USC and others, but I mean the fact that some

1057
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 3: of these players, I mean the vast mentor overwhelming majority,

1058
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: are never going to play in the NFL. They never

1059
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: became Marshal Lech. I mean, there was Did you ever

1060
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: think about it?

1061
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: At least?

1062
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 6: Should there be some framework, even if it's not nil as.

1063
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 7: We know it? What are you worried about? What are

1064
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 7: you worried about? You worried about these kids getting compensated

1065
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 7: because other people are making money on them. They're getting

1066
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 7: an education, they get they get a pilgrimt they got

1067
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 7: money in their pocket. This is the time of their life.

1068
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 7: They don't need that element of professionalism to cloud what's

1069
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 7: going on, and also the mentality of the teams in

1070
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 7: the different aspects of how it works in the locker room,

1071
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 7: with some kids making a million bucks and some kids

1072
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 7: don't making anything. I mean, it's it's just a mess.

1073
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 5: It takeaway from the actual game of football, where's the

1074
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 5: game in a way that you approach it, but from

1075
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 5: a standpoint of you know, I mean, because you know

1076
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 5: a lot of those kids won't never yeah, I mean

1077
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 5: reach a level of you, I mean a Hall of

1078
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 5: Fame football player. So being able to capitalize in those moments,

1079
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 5: I do believe that. I don't think it's a bad

1080
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 5: idea in order to get these kids, you know, I

1081
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 5: mean paid, but for the simple fact of all of

1082
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 5: the unnecessary outside shit that they have to go through

1083
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 5: in order to get that, and then the lack of education.

1084
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 5: That you're going to put a million dollars in the

1085
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 5: pocket of an eighteen year old with somebody who looking

1086
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 5: at them as just an eighteen m or just a

1087
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 5: way to you know, I mean, capitalize and make some

1088
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 5: money off of them.

1089
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: It put them in a It put them in a.

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Speaker 5: Tough ass position before they become you know, I mean

1091
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 5: mindful of what's really going on and the responsibilities of

1092
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 5: what it actually means to have this type of chilula

1093
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 5: and your and your bank account. To me, it's a

1094
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 5: it's a plus and a minus. And I think that

1095
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 5: with you know, I mean with great response, I mean

1096
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 5: with great Yeah, I mean success come with great responsibilities.

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00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 5: And a lot of these individuals who yeah, I mean

1098
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 5: don't even know what it is to be successful for

1099
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 5: you put them in a position where, yeah, I mean,

1100
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 5: you give them the bread before they actually know what

1101
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 5: it feel like to actually know.

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00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: How to how to how to rock with the money.

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00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: Well, coach, one of the one of the problems last

1104
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: year I had, I had a player I signed and

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00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to end the player of the school,

1106
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: but this player got like five hundred thousand dollars, okay,

1107
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: And it came to me before the draft. He said, hey, man,

1108
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: winter taxes do I said, well, they're doing April. And

1109
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 2: I said, well, how much do you have left from nil?

1110
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 2: He said nothing. I said, what do you mean nothing?

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00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: He said, it's spent it off. I said, well you

1112
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: got to pay, you know, at least to seventy five

1113
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: to Uncle Sam. And so now in his case he

1114
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: went he went to the NFL and he was able

1115
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: to get the money. The problem is these schools are

1116
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: not educating the kids. And so let's say this kid

1117
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: didn't make the NFL, Well, Uncle Sam's not gonna go away.

1118
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna find him somewhere and say you

1119
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: is two fifty. So now the guy's life is started

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00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: with basically in the hole, you know, two hundred and

1121
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: fifty grand.

1122
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is this is the parents game. This whole

1123
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 7: thing is about the parents or whoever is mentoring the kids.

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00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 7: They're the ones getting the money. They're the ones that

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Speaker 7: are they're gonna put it where they're supposed to. They're

1126
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 7: not gonna the kids are aren't gonna They're only gonna

1127
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 7: screw it up. They don't have a chance to be

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Speaker 7: prepared to do that. Why would we what's the what's

1129
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 7: the rush? You know what's the rush? And if there's

1130
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 7: if they want to up the pelgram, they want to

1131
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 7: up the general money that every kid gets something gets

1132
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 7: five thousand, ten thousand dollars a year, And I'm like, great,

1133
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 7: but give it to everybody and let me let them

1134
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 7: all be just players and playing the program and deal

1135
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 7: with those is enough. It just doesn't make sense. It's

1136
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 7: not right. The thing I don't like about the parent

1137
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 7: taking the money.

1138
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 5: But if you're willing to put that much money into

1139
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 5: the to the hands of the student, then you should

1140
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 5: be willing to put you know, I mean as equal

1141
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 5: amount of money into you know, I mean the education

1142
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 5: that these kids need, you know what I mean.

1143
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: So then when they actually do get to the league,

1144
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: you have less.

1145
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 5: You have less of a situation where it's almost what

1146
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 5: the high ass percentage of like what eighty percent of

1147
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 5: all professional athletes go bankrupt type situation. But if you

1148
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 5: start them with the education as early as as college,

1149
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 5: knowing that they're gonna come into some money, the mindset

1150
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 5: is different because now you're thinking in terms of, Okay,

1151
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 5: how do I actually spend money. Now, I know I

1152
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 5: could go out and I can fucking go blow a

1153
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 5: bag on whatever it is I want, But how do

1154
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 5: I spend money the right way in order to make

1155
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 5: sure that in the long run, I'm still gonna be

1156
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 5: able to be able to take care of everything that

1157
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 5: I need to take care of right now, because at

1158
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 5: the end of the day, like you said, those problems

1159
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 5: don't go away. The thing is with I think Big

1160
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 5: said at the business, more money, more problems. But the

1161
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 5: thing is, a lot of individuals don't see like you know,

1162
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 5: I mean when we come into money, we don't come

1163
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 5: into money with education of how to spend the fucking

1164
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 5: bread considering you know, when you think about you know,

1165
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 5: uh uh, you know the on the other side where

1166
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 5: you look at white people who come under trust funds

1167
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 5: and you know, I mean fall into the family business

1168
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 5: like they're taught this shit from you know what I mean,

1169
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 5: from from a jit age of how this whole system

1170
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 5: of how the money situation works. And then it's like okay,

1171
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 5: so they understand that. But then on our end, you know,

1172
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just like an overnight type of situation.

1173
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 5: One minute you got top rammin in the motherfucking cabinet

1174
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 5: to I could go and eat that fucking Benny Hanna's

1175
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 5: and it's like that's your life. And the thing is,

1176
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 5: if you don't properly take care of your situation, you

1177
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 5: put yourself in a motherfucking position to go back to

1178
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 5: eating top rummen or worse, then you can't get ahead

1179
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 5: and contribute to the problem that we have in California.

1180
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 1: That's on some other shit.

1181
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 5: But you know, I mean it begins to you know,

1182
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 5: I mean that cycle just continue to repeat itself. So

1183
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 5: I mean, like anything, the first thing that you need

1184
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 5: to do is make sure that you get education on

1185
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 5: any situation that you're going into. So if you're gonna

1186
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 5: put the motherfucking money into the kids' hands, then you

1187
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 5: need to go ahead and put the money into the

1188
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 5: motherfucking education of these kids at the same time, so

1189
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 5: they don't continue to make the same mistakes that the

1190
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 5: motherfucker's made before them.

1191
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 3: No, and by the way, just and just be you know,

1192
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 3: as the guy that did the first nil in the country,

1193
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: and of course it was inevitable.

1194
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 5: Coach, Okay, soldier boy, I did it first, ask no No.

1195
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: Based on this conversation, I should run never and I'll

1196
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: do that, But I will say this, I mean, and

1197
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 3: I completely and Coach, I appreciate your conviction and your

1198
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: insight and few people uniquely positioned to understand it better

1199
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 3: than you. And but there's no question in my mind

1200
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: when we signed that that this was not what was intended.

1201
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: The world that now is taking place is not what

1202
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: that legislation was originally about. So I could not agree

1203
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: more in the basis of this conversation, the imperative for

1204
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 3: the n C two A to immediately reconcile that uh

1205
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 3: and address this issue. They've got to move on this.

1206
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 3: In the absence of that, we're looking at state by

1207
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: state moves, but that's going to put states like California

1208
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: and other states at a competitive disadvantage. So it has

1209
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: to be done at the national level, and they need

1210
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: to move on it quickly, because there's no doubt this

1211
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: was never what was intended.

1212
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, good luck. I hope you can do it. I

1213
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 7: hope you can do it. Like Seawn, I'm saying, education,

1214
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 7: that's what this whole thing was supposed to be about.

1215
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 7: Your a ballplayer, or you're a dancer, or your a scholar.

1216
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 7: You get you get some help get going to school

1217
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 7: so you can get your education, you know, And we're

1218
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 7: forgetting about that. But there's it works to be done.

1219
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: Well, coach, we we can't. We can't thank you enough

1220
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: for joining us. I mean, I've I've always loved you

1221
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: and appreciated you and and uh, everything you've done in

1222
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: your career and and you're not done yet obviously, and

1223
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: I appreciate how you've just lived your life. Man, you've

1224
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: lived it a glass out full and uh, you've always

1225
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: lived life on borrow of time. And I really appreciate

1226
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 2: you and always have and we can't thank you for

1227
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: joining us.

1228
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 6: And his glass has been overflowing. Next level, first ballot

1229
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame, the one and only coach, Carol Coach.

1230
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 6: I appreciate you being here.

1231
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 7: Hey, thanks for bringing the Bay area back together with

1232
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 7: the guys here, it's pretty good.