WEBVTT - Ep43 "How do we remember?" (Time Traveling Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>What is memory in the brain? How is that different

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<v Speaker 1>from the way a computer stores information? How do you

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<v Speaker 1>put together billions of specialized cells and you store your

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<v Speaker 1>home address in their activity? And what does any of

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<v Speaker 1>this have to do with the happy Birthday song? Or

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<v Speaker 1>with squirrels hiding acorns, or with bards memorizing epic poems,

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<v Speaker 1>or with people who cannot forget any of the events

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<v Speaker 1>in their life. Welcome to Inner Cosmos with me David Eagelman.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a neuroscientist and an author at Stanford and in

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<v Speaker 1>these episodes we sail into our three pound universe to

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<v Speaker 1>understand why and how our lives look the way they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode is about memory. What is memory? How does

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<v Speaker 1>it work? How do details get stored in your brains

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<v Speaker 1>such that if I say, what was the name of

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<v Speaker 1>your fifth grade teacher? You can retrieve that name even

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't thought about it in decades? And how

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<v Speaker 1>is this totally different from the way that computers store memory?

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<v Speaker 1>So in this episode, I'll give you a foundation into

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<v Speaker 1>understanding the landscape of memory. Now, this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>of a three part series about the way that our

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<v Speaker 1>brains constantly unhook from the here and now, and they

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<v Speaker 1>go somewhere else. We are time travelers, and only because

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<v Speaker 1>we do this so constantly, we don't even notice how

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<v Speaker 1>amazing this is. I mean, everything you might study in

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<v Speaker 1>a textbook about the brain has to do with Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's how vision works. Here's how the visual quartet analyzes

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<v Speaker 1>photons captured at the retina and makes an assessment of

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<v Speaker 1>what's in front of you. And yet we're able to

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<v Speaker 1>travel back to previous times. You can put yourself back

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<v Speaker 1>in that fifth grade classroom, or the first house you

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in, or the moment of your first kiss.

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<v Speaker 1>You can simulate the sights and sounds and smells. You

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<v Speaker 1>can remember how you felt in certain moments. You can

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<v Speaker 1>recreate and reexperience that. You may be able to recollect

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<v Speaker 1>lots of the details that were around you. To do that,

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<v Speaker 1>you just time traveled across years or decades to place

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<v Speaker 1>yourself in another era. Your visual system is not simply

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the photons in front of you. Instead, it's

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<v Speaker 1>now involved in running a simulation of what had transpired

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<v Speaker 1>and an earlier time wherever you physically are right now

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this podcast, You just time traveled. When you

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<v Speaker 1>thought about your fifth grade experience. Now it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>that brains don't just time travel backwards, but they can

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<v Speaker 1>also move forward. So in the next episode, Part two,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about prediction, and then in part

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<v Speaker 1>three we're going to pull pieces of the puzzle together

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<v Speaker 1>to unlock some wild surprises about how we experience the

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<v Speaker 1>world emotionally given our time traveling talents. So today we'll

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<v Speaker 1>start with memory. And I just want to say this

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge topic that I could teach you over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of years. So for today's podcast, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to take a high level ride to get a feel

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<v Speaker 1>for the landscape. So one way to approach any big

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<v Speaker 1>topic is to look at the extremes. So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of memories come easily to us the day we moved

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<v Speaker 1>into our new home, or the day we got the

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<v Speaker 1>job offer, or the time that the phone rang with

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<v Speaker 1>news of somebody's death. But imagine having a clear and

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<v Speaker 1>immediate memory for all of the events of your day

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<v Speaker 1>to day life, such as the dinner that you had

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<v Speaker 1>on November thirtieth, twenty twenty three, or the friend who

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<v Speaker 1>visited you on May twentieth, twenty nineteen, or the swimming

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<v Speaker 1>pool party you went to on July eighth, twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine having a vivid, movie like recollection of what you

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<v Speaker 1>did on today's day ten years ago. Now imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>these recollections dominate your thoughts. They run in parallel with

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<v Speaker 1>the events of your waking life, as you commute to work,

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<v Speaker 1>as you talk with your friends, as you shop for groceries,

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<v Speaker 1>as you spend time with your family. You would be

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<v Speaker 1>right that other people would marvel and probably envy your

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<v Speaker 1>exceptional powers of memory, but you might find the process

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<v Speaker 1>uncontrollable and overwhelming. Some memories are painful, or traumatic, or

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<v Speaker 1>just annoying. Then you might wish that you could be

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<v Speaker 1>rid of them, and exhausted by their presence, you might

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<v Speaker 1>finally contact a neuroscientist, hoping that they could help you

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<v Speaker 1>understand what's happening. And that is the real life story

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<v Speaker 1>for a woman named Jill Price, who is a mneminist,

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<v Speaker 1>which means she has an extraordinary memory and she can't

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<v Speaker 1>forget things. So some years ago she went to the

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<v Speaker 1>University of California at Irmine and described her experiences to

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<v Speaker 1>two memory researchers there my colleagues Magaw and Cale, and

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<v Speaker 1>at first they were skeptical, but they investigated her memory

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<v Speaker 1>with a series of careful tests and interviews over a

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<v Speaker 1>period of five years, and the results showed that Price

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<v Speaker 1>indeed had a rare and astonishingly powerful memory, at least

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<v Speaker 1>for certain types of information. Given a particular date, she

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<v Speaker 1>could recall within seconds the day of the week that was,

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<v Speaker 1>and the details of what she did on that day,

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<v Speaker 1>and the news were the events that occurred on that day,

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<v Speaker 1>without any preparations. She easily recalled the dates of every

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<v Speaker 1>Easter from nineteen eighty to two thousand and three and

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<v Speaker 1>her activities on those days. She also gave correct dates

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<v Speaker 1>and personal anecdotes for randomly selected news events like the

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<v Speaker 1>start of the First Gulf War, or the bombing of

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Olympic Games, or the death of Princess Diana. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>while her recollections were detailed and consistent, they were generally

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<v Speaker 1>specific to events of high personal relevance, like illnesses or relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>or big news stories. Interestingly, her general intelligence was average,

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<v Speaker 1>and her memory for other types of information was really

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<v Speaker 1>no better than anyone else's. She never excelled in school

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<v Speaker 1>and wasn't particularly good at memorizing dates and history books

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<v Speaker 1>and at one point her interviewers asked her to close

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<v Speaker 1>her eyes and describe their clothing, and she drew a blank.

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<v Speaker 1>So her memory abilities were so powerful, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>also strangely limited. So when these researchers published their first

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<v Speaker 1>report on Jill Price, she became a news item. Her

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<v Speaker 1>story drew headlines around the world, She was a guest

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<v Speaker 1>on Oprah, and she published her memoirs. But by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>Jill is not the only mneminist. The first official report

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<v Speaker 1>ofneminism that I know about was a book from the

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<v Speaker 1>Russian neuropsychologist named Luria about a newspaper reporter named Sharyshevski

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<v Speaker 1>who had the gift of an untaxable memory, essentially total

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<v Speaker 1>recall for all the moments of his life. Shiashevski first

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<v Speaker 1>came to him in the nineteen twenties because he got

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble at a meeting for not taking any notes

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<v Speaker 1>when there was a speaker, and Sharishevski responded to his

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<v Speaker 1>boss by recalling the speech word for word, and this

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<v Speaker 1>blew everyone away there, and it also blew Sharyshevski away

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<v Speaker 1>that the other people couldn't do that, and so this

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<v Speaker 1>started this thirty year relationship with Luria, who tested him

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<v Speaker 1>in all kinds of ways and had him memorize math

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<v Speaker 1>formulas or huge blocks of numbers, or even poems and

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<v Speaker 1>languages he didn't speak, and in all these cases, Sharyshevski

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<v Speaker 1>could memorize these in a matter of minutes with perfect accuracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Luria tested and observed him for three decades and then

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a book called The Mind of a Mneminist. So,

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<v Speaker 1>although they are rare, neminists exist, and as scientists continue

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<v Speaker 1>to search for the source of their remarkable abilities, it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth asking why their stories capture our imaginations so strongly.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps it's because we'd all love to have supercharged memories,

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe we see how failing memory is so debilitating

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<v Speaker 1>in old age and we hope to escape the fate

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<v Speaker 1>of our grandparents. Or maybe we recognize how little we

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<v Speaker 1>actually retain from our vast, rich set of life experiences

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<v Speaker 1>that shape us. So in today's episode, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>dive into where memory comes from and how it works,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is going to give us insight into both

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable memories and bad memories. We'll see what memory is,

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<v Speaker 1>how it functions, how it fails, and what purpose it serves.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first thing I want to tackle is the

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<v Speaker 1>mistake we make by calling the storage of zeros and

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<v Speaker 1>ones in computer memory, because computer memory is actually nothing

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<v Speaker 1>like human memory. Computers store in their memory exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>you give them. So if I write a document, I

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<v Speaker 1>expect my computer memory to function perfectly such that it

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<v Speaker 1>gives me exactly that document back. I don't want something

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<v Speaker 1>similar or a degraded version of it. But human memory

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<v Speaker 1>is a completely different ballgame because you're not storing things

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<v Speaker 1>in zeros and ones. Let's imagine that you speak two

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<v Speaker 1>languages and I tell you a joke in English and

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<v Speaker 1>you turn and tell it to someone else in your

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<v Speaker 1>other language. So the joke is obviously not stored as

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<v Speaker 1>zeros and ones. You're not memorizing my exact words and inflections. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>the joke is stored in a conceptual space in your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>the way that the characters and events fit together, the

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<v Speaker 1>gist of the action. It doesn't matter the language with

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<v Speaker 1>which you output it. And note that this is the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing with a tune. When you remember a tune,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not about the individual notes. Instead, it's about the

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<v Speaker 1>relationship between the notes, and that's why you can transpose

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<v Speaker 1>the tune to any other key and you still have

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<v Speaker 1>no trouble recognizing the tune. It's not about the exact notes,

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<v Speaker 1>but about the relationship between them. And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing when you're recognizing your friend's face. What has

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<v Speaker 1>been stored in your brain is the relationship between their

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<v Speaker 1>nose length and lip thickness, and distance between their eyes

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<v Speaker 1>and shape of their ears, and where their hairline is

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<v Speaker 1>and so on. It's not about the individual features, but

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<v Speaker 1>the relationships between them. And by the way, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the only way we could have good recognition memory because

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<v Speaker 1>other details change. For example, imagine that you learn a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of the face where the lighting is on the left,

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<v Speaker 1>and later you see the same face, but it's lit

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<v Speaker 1>from the other side. If you are memorizing pixel by pixel,

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<v Speaker 1>then the pattern is totally different and you would never

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<v Speaker 1>be able to recognize it or account for all the

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<v Speaker 1>lighting differences that might happen in the world, much less

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<v Speaker 1>the size differences if you see a big picture or

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<v Speaker 1>a small picture. So understanding the relationship between things is

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<v Speaker 1>the only way to have a successful recognition and literally,

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<v Speaker 1>for decades, computer scientists were chasing the wrong ideas by

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get pixel by pixel recognition until they realized

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<v Speaker 1>that it's all about the relationships. And this is not

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<v Speaker 1>just about vision, but this applies to everything we learn.

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<v Speaker 1>Like facts, your brain encodes new ideas with respect to

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<v Speaker 1>other things you have learned. Just imagine two people looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a list of important dates in Mongolian history. If

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<v Speaker 1>one of them already has a richly developed Mongolian history timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>then new facts are readily incorporated into that person's network

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<v Speaker 1>of knowledge. We don't simply memorize facts. We fit new

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<v Speaker 1>data into the relationship lattice of our internal model. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>we've learned before based on what was relevant to us.

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<v Speaker 1>And I talked about this in episode twenty seven. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>you learn is represented in terms of what you already know.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you listen to this podcast, the points made

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<v Speaker 1>would be meaningless unless you all already we're living a

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<v Speaker 1>human life and knew what a brain was and understood

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<v Speaker 1>the particular language I am speaking. We do not encode

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<v Speaker 1>things as little files of zeros and ones. What's happening

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<v Speaker 1>in the human brain is much different. So that's the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing. And there's another reason why human memory is

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<v Speaker 1>not at all like computer memory. And this is because

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<v Speaker 1>over the past several decades, we've come to realize that

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<v Speaker 1>human memory is not one thing, but instead it's made

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<v Speaker 1>up of lots and lots of different subsystems. There are

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<v Speaker 1>many things going on under this one umbrella term that

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<v Speaker 1>we call human memory. So for the next few minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>let's dive into the nuts and bolts of that landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing to know is that memory is divided

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<v Speaker 1>between short term and long term. So short term memory

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<v Speaker 1>is about in information that decays in a really short

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<v Speaker 1>time if you don't use it, like seconds to minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also called working memory by neuroscientists. The idea

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<v Speaker 1>is that short term memory uses information to address immediate situations.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say I say, oh, hey, your verification code

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<v Speaker 1>to log into LinkedIn is six one, nine, five, three

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<v Speaker 1>to two. You can remember that for some seconds or minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're probably not going to remember that number next week,

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<v Speaker 1>or probably even in an hour from now. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>strict time limit here, but short term memory typically lasts

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<v Speaker 1>just for the duration of the task at hand. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are lots of ways that your brain helps itself

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<v Speaker 1>long with short term memories. Sometimes you do this by

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<v Speaker 1>talking to yourself like six one nine five three two

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<v Speaker 1>six one nine five three two, or sometimes you might

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<v Speaker 1>hold on to information by visualizing something in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>But how whoever you do it, working memory has a

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<v Speaker 1>limited capacity for holding information. In nineteen fifty six, a

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive psychologist wrote a paper called the Magical Number seven

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<v Speaker 1>plus or minus two. Now, why that weird title is

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<v Speaker 1>because he found that most people can hold about seven

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<v Speaker 1>items of information in short term memory, sometimes a little

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<v Speaker 1>more so as a less It doesn't matter whether that's

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<v Speaker 1>shapes or locations or colors or numbers or whatever. You

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<v Speaker 1>can hold about seven items. And by the way, this

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<v Speaker 1>has been proposed to explain why telephone numbers in most

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<v Speaker 1>countries use seven digits, because back in the day people

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<v Speaker 1>often needed to memorize phone numbers and if they were

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<v Speaker 1>like sixteen digits, no one would be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>it anyway, So that's short term memory. I ask you

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<v Speaker 1>to memorize a combination lock or a log in code

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<v Speaker 1>or a phone number for some task and you say, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>got it. That lives in your short term memory. And

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<v Speaker 1>that memory is built of the activity of millions or

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<v Speaker 1>billions of neurons holding onto a loop of spikes that

0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:15.000
<v Speaker 1>run around and around across giant swaths of territory. The

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<v Speaker 1>activity is kept alive, and that represents the thing you

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<v Speaker 1>are remembering now. Often, something you hold in your short

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<v Speaker 1>term memory tends not to transfer to your long term memory.

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<v Speaker 1>But long term memory is the really interesting thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the brain. So that's what we're going to concentrate on

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<v Speaker 1>from here on out. Because with long term memory, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not about active neurons. Instead, there are changes to the

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<v Speaker 1>physical structure of your brain such that you can pull

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<v Speaker 1>up information that happened to you a long, long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You're actually changing the stuff of your brain. I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in a previous episode that if a rock hits your

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<v Speaker 1>windshield and leaves a you could say poetically that your

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<v Speaker 1>car remembers the rock even long after the rock is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a physical mark on your car, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the way to think about it. With the brain, an

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<v Speaker 1>event happens to you, and it leaves a physical mark,

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<v Speaker 1>and that mark can be read out later. So as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to short term memory, long term memory involves brain

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<v Speaker 1>systems that in code and store and retrieve information over

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<v Speaker 1>long periods of time, anywhere from minutes to a lifetime,

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<v Speaker 1>and the capacity of these systems is much greater than

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<v Speaker 1>short term memory, as we see with someone like Jill

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<v Speaker 1>Price or Shashevski. Now, amazingly, long term memory is not

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. Instead, we divide it into two groups. On

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<v Speaker 1>the one hand, we have implicit memory and on the

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<v Speaker 1>other explicit memory. Now, implicit memory is the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't express or articulate or consciously recall, like riding

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<v Speaker 1>a bike. You have no idea how you do it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you learned it and you remember it. You just

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<v Speaker 1>can't articulate how you do it. It is implicit. And this

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<v Speaker 1>category of implicit memory also includes unconscious emotional memories, like

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<v Speaker 1>an aversion towards snowboarding years after an accident, even if

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<v Speaker 1>the accident itself is long forgotten. Okay, so all of

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<v Speaker 1>that is implicit memory. On the other hand, explicit memory

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<v Speaker 1>is the type of information that can be consciously recalled

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<v Speaker 1>and described, like facts and events. So think about something

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<v Speaker 1>that happened to you that you can recall and describe,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is where you went to college, or this

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<v Speaker 1>is the name of that great movie you saw, or

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<v Speaker 1>that's what your neighbor said to you last week. Explicit

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<v Speaker 1>memory also includes memories of facts like the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon dot Com sells books or that penguins can't fly.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can say some recollection or fact out loud,

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<v Speaker 1>then that is explicit memory. Now, I wanted to clearly

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<v Speaker 1>lay out these two sides of implicit memory and explicit

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<v Speaker 1>memory before taking a deeper dive to see why these

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<v Speaker 1>are understood to be separate systems. So now let's return

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<v Speaker 1>for a closer look at this first one, implicit memory.

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<v Speaker 1>So think about memories involved in how to perform skills

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<v Speaker 1>or habits like reading or typing, or whimming, or juggling

0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:06.520
<v Speaker 1>or playing piano. You acquire these kinds of memory slowly

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<v Speaker 1>through a lot of practice and repetition. The way you

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<v Speaker 1>learn to perfect these actions is from your brain changing

0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:18.120
<v Speaker 1>its structure. It is remembering. So even though you might

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<v Speaker 1>not typically think of things like reading and typing and

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<v Speaker 1>walking and so on as memory, they are indeed a

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<v Speaker 1>form of remembrance, just one that you cannot articulate, And

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<v Speaker 1>there are many forms of implicit memory. When you might

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<v Speaker 1>have heard of is called priming. That's what happens when

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<v Speaker 1>some past experience influences your future response. So imagine I

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<v Speaker 1>show you the letters S, blank, P, and I ask

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<v Speaker 1>you to fill in the missing letter. If you have

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<v Speaker 1>just had a shower, you'll probably put an A in

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<v Speaker 1>there to make the word soap. If you've just seen

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<v Speaker 1>a steaming hot bowl at the table, you'll probably put

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<v Speaker 1>the letter you in there to make the word soup.

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<v Speaker 1>Your brain just recently experienced something, and that memory influences

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<v Speaker 1>your behavior in the next moment. Now what's fascinating is

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<v Speaker 1>that people with amnesia, which means they can't write down

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<v Speaker 1>new explicit memories, can nonetheless show these kinds of priming effects.

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<v Speaker 1>So they have no conscious recollection of having seen this

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<v Speaker 1>steaming hot bowl at the table, and they'll deny that

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<v Speaker 1>they ever saw that, but nonetheless they'll choose soup. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back to this point in just a bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>first I want to finish painting the different types of

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<v Speaker 1>implicit memory. So another type of implicit memory is one

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<v Speaker 1>you might have heard of called classical conditioning. This was

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<v Speaker 1>first described by the Russian physiologist Ivon Pavlov at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the nineteenth century, so you generally remember this story.

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<v Speaker 1>Pavlov saw that dogs respond to food by drooling or salivating,

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<v Speaker 1>so he said Okay, I'm going to teach the dog

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<v Speaker 1>through experience that the ringing of a bell predicts the food.

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<v Speaker 1>The bell itself is totally arbitrary, but it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the dog that some food is coming. Pavlov could

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<v Speaker 1>just as easily have used a pat on the head

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<v Speaker 1>to predict the food, or a purple dot flashing three

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<v Speaker 1>times or whatever. It's just some random thing that you

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<v Speaker 1>link to food arriving a moment later. So he teaches

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<v Speaker 1>the dog to associate the ringing of the bell with

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<v Speaker 1>the impending delivery of food, and after setting up the relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs salivate when he rings the bell, even though

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<v Speaker 1>there's no food there yet, because the bell now is

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<v Speaker 1>as good as seeing the food. And again, this is

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<v Speaker 1>implicit memory because you don't have to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story of a connection consciously in order to

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<v Speaker 1>form this kind of learning, this memory. So that's classical conditioning,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's another form of implicit memory, which is operant conditioning.

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<v Speaker 1>Here you learn to associate your own behavior like pressing

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<v Speaker 1>a lever, with something rewarding like food, or something aversive

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<v Speaker 1>like an electric shock, and you gradually do more or

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<v Speaker 1>less of that behavior as a result. Of remembering the consequences. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go into the details of the

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<v Speaker 1>brain regions that are involved in these different forms of

0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:31.000
<v Speaker 1>implicit learning. If you're curious, to go to my textbook

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<v Speaker 1>called Brain and Behavior. But I'll just mention that learning

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<v Speaker 1>any of these types of responses depends on some brain

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<v Speaker 1>areas like the amygdala and cerebellum, and some structures in

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<v Speaker 1>the brain stem. The key thing I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate is that all of these forms of memory I

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<v Speaker 1>just described are forms in which your brain changes itself.

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<v Speaker 1>It changes its detailed internal structure in response to things

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<v Speaker 1>that it has experienced so that it be behaves differently

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. And all of these things I just

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:08.960
<v Speaker 1>told you about, that's just implicit memory. Now let's switch

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 1>back again to explicit memory, the things that you can

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>consciously articulate, like events and facts. Even explicit memory can

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<v Speaker 1>be divided into two different forms. The first is called

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<v Speaker 1>episodic memory. This is memory for past events or episodes

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<v Speaker 1>that you've experienced, like a birthday party or a surfing

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<v Speaker 1>trip you took. These are called autobiographical memories. And the

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<v Speaker 1>key point is that, unlike implicit memories, these Episodic memories

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<v Speaker 1>can be consciously recalled and described. They can have a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of cinematic quality to them, and they usually have

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<v Speaker 1>a particular context, like in the living room on New

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Year's Eve. You're also generally able to pick out specific

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>objects and features and the surroundings, like oh, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>sofa was over here my left, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>television set over there, and my uncle was sitting over

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<v Speaker 1>here on my right, And you can recall very particular

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 1>sequences of actions like oh, we were wearing party hats

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:16.399
<v Speaker 1>and the wine was poured and then it clinked glasses

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 1>with everyone. So those are episodic memories. Now there's another

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<v Speaker 1>type of explicit memory, not episodic, but semantic memories, and

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 1>these are things that your brain remembers about the outside world,

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<v Speaker 1>like the fact that a sheep has four legs and

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<v Speaker 1>it makes a noise that sounds like bah, and it

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<v Speaker 1>has a wooly coat. Semantic properties are more general than

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<v Speaker 1>single events that you saw or experienced, and because they're

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<v Speaker 1>independent of any one particular kind of sensory input, they're

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<v Speaker 1>generally useful for organizing the world into categories of related

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<v Speaker 1>things Like these are vegetables and these are animals, and

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<v Speaker 1>these are tools, these vehicles and so on. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>semantic memory. Now, I just told you about a whole

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 1>bunch of different subtypes of memories. But why do neuroscientists

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 1>divide memory into all these different flavors. Well, it's because

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 1>clinicians have observed for many, many decades that sometimes a

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 1>person can damage one part of their brain and lose

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>a very specific sort of memory while not losing other sorts. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, you might see a patient with severe amnesia

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 1>for personal experiences. She can remember essentially nothing about her

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:43.399
<v Speaker 1>personal life, but she retains a good general knowledge for

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 1>facts that she learned before her brain injury. So that's

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:51.440
<v Speaker 1>how we know that episodic memory is different from semantic

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:55.239
<v Speaker 1>It's actually underpinned by different structures in the brain, and

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, you see this often in forms of

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<v Speaker 1>dementia like early Alzheimer's disease, where a person's episodic memory

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>suffers dramatically. They can't remember the details of their own life,

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 1>but this is long before their semantic knowledge begins to fail.

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 1>And on the flip side, in a rarer illness known

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 1>as semantic dementia, episodic memory is preserved, while even basic

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 1>forms of semantic knowledge are lost, like what a sheep

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>is or what sound it makes. I won't go into

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 1>details here, but if you want to look up more,

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>episodic memory generally depends on the medial temporal lobes, while

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>semantic memory involves the anterior temporal lobes. Okay, so now

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<v Speaker 1>how did people start to figure out what brain regions

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>were involved in what functions. Well, like many things, the

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<v Speaker 1>answer is that this generally happens when a person gets

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<v Speaker 1>damage to a very specific part of the brain. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's zoom in on a particular example. In nineteen fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>a particular area of the brain called the hippocampus came

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<v Speaker 1>to the center stage in the neuroscience of memory because

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>there was a man named Henry Malaison, who, by the way,

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>was known for decades in the literature as HM because

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the patient's real name is never used while he's still alive.

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, Henry had suffered a head injury at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of nine, and after that he had epileptic seizures

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>and these got more frequent and severe, and the doctors

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 1>tried to control the seizures, but eventually they couldn't control

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.719
<v Speaker 1>them anymore. So at the age of twenty seven, Henry

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>went in for a neurosurgery because of where the seizures

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>were originating. The surgeon removed the hippocampus on both sides

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>of his brain, on the right and the left, as

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>well as some of the regions that surrounded the hippocampus. Now,

0:29:54.720 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 1>after the surgery, the seizures were all better, but Henry

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>became one of the most famous cases in the medical

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>literature because while he was otherwise fine, he had a

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>severe amnesia that means he couldn't remember things, and specifically,

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>he had an antaro grade amnesia, which means he couldn't

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>form new episodic memories. And so that meant he would

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 1>function just fine if you were talking with him, but

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>after say fifteen minutes, he couldn't recall anything about the

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>conversation because he wasn't converting that into new long term memory.

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>So just imagine being one of the people working with him.

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<v Speaker 1>You walk into the room and you introduce yourself, and

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<v Speaker 1>you bring a giant Saint Bernard dog with you. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the dog leaves and you chat with him for about

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>five minutes and you ask him, hey, when I came

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 1>in here, did I have anything with me? And he says, yeah,

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>you had a giant Saint Bernard dog with you. So

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>you continue to have a nice conversation about things. He's

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 1>a small guy. Now you distract him for about another

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes and you ask him, hey, when I came

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>in here, did I have anything with me? And he

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>draws a total blank. He says, I don't think So

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>now you leave the room and you come back twenty

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 1>minutes later and you say, hey, when I walked in

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 1>the room before, did I have anything with me? And

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>what does he say? He says, who are you? As

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>far as he knows, he has never seen you before

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>in his life. So the researchers who studied Henry for

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:37.239
<v Speaker 1>years had to reintroduce themselves each time they walked in

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.479
<v Speaker 1>the room, even if they'd only left the room briefly.

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>So the issue was that Henry could not form new

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>explicit memories. But here's the interesting part. His implicit memory

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 1>was fine. He could practice and learn new tasks like

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>tracing a five pointed star viewed through a mirror, but

0:31:59.880 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>he had no recollection of the practice in learning, and

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>he expressed surprise at how well, he could perform this

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>task that, as far as he knew, he had never

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 1>seen before. Also, his short term memory was fine, well

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 1>within the range of seven plus or minus two items.

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>And so the tragic outcome from Henry's surgery helped to

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:26.719
<v Speaker 1>define the taxonomy of memory systems that we know today.

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, we've learned these same lessons from

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of other patients with amnesia since then. For example,

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>somebody who can't form any new explicit memories can nonetheless

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>learn an implicit task like the video game Tetris, and

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>they can get better and better at the game. But

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>each time you place them in front of the game,

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 1>they claim genuinely that they've never seen this before. And

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>what's fascinating is that if you wake them up when

0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>they're sleeping, if you catch them in the middle of

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>a dream, they'll say that they were just dreaming about

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>colorful falling blocks, but they have no idea why, because

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>they have no conscious memory of ever having seen that before.

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 1>By the way, if you saw the movie Memento, you

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>know that was about a man who had lost his

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 1>explicit memory. He had had a head injury that gave

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>him amnesia. In his case, both in the forward and

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>backward direction and tarot grade and retrograde, and so the

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>only way that he could keep track of his goals

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>through time was to tattoo information onto his skin. And

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll be talking more about amnesia in a future episode,

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 1>but all I want to say for now is that

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>for most of us, we are lucky enough to tattoo

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>the information directly into our vast neural forests, and we

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>can do this again and again throughout every day of

0:33:56.040 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>our lives, and we never run out of room. Now,

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>we know from Henry and many other patients that normal

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 1>autobiographical memory depends on the integrity of the hippocampus. But

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned in episode number one of this podcast that

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>there's another important player in the medial temporal lob memory system,

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and that's the amygdala, which is an almond sized structure

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that's just in front of the hippocampus, and this is

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 1>involved in emotional memory. The amygdala assigns value positive or

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>negative to things that it sees or hears or smells

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>based on past experiences. And because it's so well connected,

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 1>it can coordinate all the different prongs of an emotional

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 1>response to something. It can coordinate the autonomic responses like

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>an increased heart rate, and the endocrine responses like the

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>secretion of stress hormones, and behavioral responses like fear and avoidance.

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 1>So it turns out that while normal memories are just

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>taken care of by the hippocampus, emotional situations like something

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 1>very stressful or dangerous, those kick the amigdala into gear

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and memories get written down on what is essentially a

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 1>secondary memory pathway. And that's why emotional events are more

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 1>likely to be remembered, because in a sense, those are

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the most important memories. When something really emotionally important happens,

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 1>that's what you want to write down. That's why memory

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 1>exists to keep a record of the really important stuff.

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I spoke in the first episode about

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>time seeming to run in slow motion when you're in danger,

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>when you're in fear for your life, And if you're interested,

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 1>you can go back and listen to the experiments that

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 1>my lab did. But the punchline is that when you're

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 1>in a very stressful situation, your brain writes down denser

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>memories than normal, and so when you think back on

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>what just happened, your brain pulls up much more detail

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 1>than you would normally have, and you interpret that as

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>that must have taken a long time because I hit

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the brakes, but because of all the ice, I couldn't

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 1>get traction, and so my car slid into the intersection.

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:21.839
<v Speaker 1>And I saw the blue Toyota coming and I saw

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>the expression on the other driver, and she hit the

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 1>front of my car, and I saw the hood crumple,

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:28.800
<v Speaker 1>and the glass spider web, and the rear view mirror

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>fall off, and so on and so on, and so

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>when you think what just happened, what just happened, your

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:38.479
<v Speaker 1>brain assumes, Wow, that must have taken a long time.

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>That must have taken many many seconds for all of

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 1>that to happen in order for me to see that

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 1>much detail. But in fact, time does not actually run

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>in slow motion for you, as we demonstrated with experiments. Instead,

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 1>it's a trick of memory. You just have more memory

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 1>that you're drawing up. As I mentioned in the first episode.

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 1>You can convince yourself of this because if you had

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 1>a passenger on the car seat next to you, you

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 1>don't actually remember his voice as saying, which would have

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>to be the case if time were actually slowed down.

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's a trick of memory, and the retrospective illusion

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 1>happens because the amygdala has come online because something very

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 1>salient is happening, and it wrote down denser memories than normal.

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>So that's what I wanted to say about the amygdala.

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 1>But now we're going to return to the hippocampus, which

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 1>underlies most normal day to day memory. And there was

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:44.279
<v Speaker 1>a very interesting discovery which won a Nobel Prize some

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>years ago, and that is that the hippocampus is involved

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:53.280
<v Speaker 1>in encoding your location, your position in space. In other words,

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>it's involved in saying, I'm in this spot, and the

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>room I'm in connects to that hallway which leads to

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the door of that lobby, which has an elevator to

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>go up to that other room. Your sense of where

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:11.479
<v Speaker 1>you are relies on your hippocampus. Your hipp campus, in fact,

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 1>has these specialized neurons that we call place cells, and

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>these neurons become active they fire off spikes only when

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>you're in a particular spot in your environment. And there

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>are other neurons known as grid cells, and these have

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>multiple receptive fields that are arranged in a grid pattern

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.360
<v Speaker 1>that covers your local environment anyway. So all these cells

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.839
<v Speaker 1>work together to give you a very precise sense of

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 1>your position in a room. And the hippocampus is not

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 1>only about your current position, but it's also crucial for

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 1>spatial memory. For example, imagine that you're in a labyrinth

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and you have to go down this hallway and come

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 1>back to the center, and then you have to remember

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that you've been there, and then you go down a

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 1>different one and you come back, and then you have

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to figure out a different one and go back and

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 1>so on. It's really easy for you to do this

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>because even in a brand new environment, you have a

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 1>spatial memory, as in, I've already been down that hallway.

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>But if you have damage to your hippocampus on both sides,

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>then you can't do that task. You need your hippocampi

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>for spatial memory. Now, interestingly, you find hippocampus like structures

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.800
<v Speaker 1>throughout the animal kingdom, not only in mammals, but also

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 1>in birds and in goldfish, and in all cases this

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 1>is involved in spatial memory. And across the kingdom you

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 1>see that the size of the hippocampus is related to

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the demands of the territory mapping and the spatial memory.

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 1>For example, squirrels spend the autumn months hiding literally thousands

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 1>of seeds and nuts in different locations throughout their territory

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.720
<v Speaker 1>so they can have a steady food supply through the winter.

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>And during this period the volume of their hippocampus increases

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>by fifteen percent. Or as another example, some species of

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 1>birds hide their food and these species have larger hippocampi

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 1>than the birds that don't do this, and when they're

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:17.760
<v Speaker 1>doing their food hiding, that stimulates growth of their hippocampus.

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 1>And this is what you find in humans too. Our

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 1>hippocampi give us map like spatial codes, and these regions

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 1>guide navigations. So consider London taxi drivers. I don't know

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:35.839
<v Speaker 1>if they do this anymore, but pre GPS, they had

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>to memorize an unbelievably detailed map of London with thousands

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:45.360
<v Speaker 1>of destinations encompassing something like twenty five thousand streets, and

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.359
<v Speaker 1>they had to be able to verbally recite the most

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:52.760
<v Speaker 1>efficient roots between any two points, and just working from memory,

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.560
<v Speaker 1>say points of interest along the way, like the names

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.439
<v Speaker 1>of all the theaters that they'd pass in sequential order.

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>And when neu oh imaging studies were done on these

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 1>cab drivers, it could be seen that their hippocampi had

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>grown compared with novice taxi drivers. And interestingly, this doesn't

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>happen for physicians, who have to master a similarly large

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 1>body of knowledge. But it's not spatial. Okay, So I

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>just told you a lot about how the hippocampus is

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:43.439
<v Speaker 1>involved in understanding this spatial layout of things. But why

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 1>do I mention the hippocampus encoding space in an episode

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 1>on memory? While first, the world is full of spatial things,

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and traditionally our memories had to care about that, just

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:59.360
<v Speaker 1>like the squirrels remembering where they had buried their seeds

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 1>and nuts. Also, you may have noticed that we are

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>generally very good at remembering spatial information, like all the

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 1>important rooms in a very large building. And many people,

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 1>when they're trying to memorize something like a list of items,

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:18.360
<v Speaker 1>will use what is called a memory palace, which is

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 1>where you associate these different items with different locations. So,

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 1>for example, let's say I had to memorize a long

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 1>list of words like apple, baby, clock, dennis, exhibition, flaggirl, horse, ice, jester, ladder, machine, noos, ocean, pigeon, radio, sheep, theater,

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 1>and so on. What I might do is I might

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:42.720
<v Speaker 1>picture my house and I visualize the first item apple

0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:45.839
<v Speaker 1>at the front door, and then I imagine walking in

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.240
<v Speaker 1>and I visualize the second item, let's say a baby

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.919
<v Speaker 1>in this case in a crib just inside the door.

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:55.280
<v Speaker 1>And then just past the baby, I picture a giant

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>pendulum clock on the wall, and on the couch over there,

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 1>I visualize a dentist doing his work on a patient,

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and so on and so on. I leverage location. I

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>take advantage of these cells in my hippocampus that care

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>about place to tie other information to them. And when

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I need to remember this list much later, I simply

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:22.840
<v Speaker 1>imagine myself walking through the house, and I can recall

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 1>an enormously long list of arbitrary objects this way. This is,

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 1>in fact, the oldest memory technique called a mnemonic device,

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 1>that is on record. The ancient Greek and Roman bards

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:40.400
<v Speaker 1>used to tell their epic tales this way. This was

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:43.359
<v Speaker 1>before the invention of the printing press, so they had

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 1>to memorize these things. But happily this was after the

0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 1>evolution of the hippocampus. Now, although some people purposely leverage

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>these kind of techniques to memorize for a small fraction

0:43:57.120 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>of the population. This happens naturally. In episode four, I

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 1>talked about synesthesia, and one of the most common forms

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 1>of synesthesia involves imagining things with spatial locations. For example,

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 1>you see the days of the week in a circle

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 1>around you physically, like Monday is over here, and then

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.560
<v Speaker 1>tuesdays there, and then Wednesday is up here, and then

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Thursday's over there, and Friday off to the side, and

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>so on. And for each person. This is idiosyncratic, meaning

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that it's a different pattern for everyone, and a cinnasthete

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 1>might see the months of the year in spatial locations,

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:39.560
<v Speaker 1>or the years historical in future, like nineteen seventy one

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>is over here, and then it goes up and up

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.319
<v Speaker 1>through nineteen ninety, and then it's flat over to two

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 1>thousand and five, and then it goes a little up

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and down through twenty thirteen, and then cuts to the

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:50.799
<v Speaker 1>left at twenty twenty, and then it suddenly dives down

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and then curves around, and then the future goes off

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>behind you. And it's different for each cynisthete, and I

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 1>gave many more examples in episode four, but the point

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I want to make here is that This form of

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 1>synesthesia is closely tied to memory because all of the

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>things that I just mentioned, like weekdays and months and years,

0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 1>these are all sequences that you have to learn, you

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 1>have to memorize, and so in many people these sequences

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:24.760
<v Speaker 1>get tied irreversibly to spatial location. It helps the brain

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 1>to remember something by tagging it with a place. So

0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:33.880
<v Speaker 1>some people suggest that the way to understand the hippocampus

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.719
<v Speaker 1>is as a cognitive map. The idea is that the

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>hippocampus originally created and stored territory maps for orientation and

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>navigation and finding resources, but eventually the system adapted to

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>create and store episodic memories. Also, because events usually have

0:45:55.560 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 1>a particular setting in space, and because movement cross locations

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:05.240
<v Speaker 1>also involves movement in time, the hippocampus would be naturally

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:09.839
<v Speaker 1>well suited to capture sequences of events in time, in

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 1>other words, episodes. And I want to mention that there's

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 1>a cousin theory about the hippocampus that proposes what it's

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 1>doing is it's storing the associations between elements of the events,

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 1>just like what we talked about with the spatial relations

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 1>between objects. So the hippocampus stores the temporal relationship between

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>events like this happened after this, or it happened close

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:39.520
<v Speaker 1>in time or far in time, and it stores the

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>relationships between pieces of information. It stores the relationships rather

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 1>than the specific items. So this gives us a way

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 1>to see how the original spatial function of the hippocampus

0:46:56.000 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 1>could have evolved into episodic memory. Okay, so now I

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 1>want to turn to what's going on at the very

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 1>tiny level to ask how does activity in the brain

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>cause lasting changes such that we have learning and memory.

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>So almost all theories of brain plasticity, that's what we

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 1>call it, when the brain reorganizes itself. These use the

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>idea that the strength of connections between cells, the strength

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 1>of the synapses, can be modified by previous activity. Okay,

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 1>but how does that work? Well, First of all, if

0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 1>you imagine one hundred years ago, microscopes didn't have the

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 1>magnification power to actually see neurons in their inner connections.

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 1>So a century ago, scientists believed that brain tissue was

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 1>a continuous network like the blood vessels. Blood vessels are

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 1>a system of tubes where you have stuff running along it,

0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and people assumed that was what was happening in the brain.

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:07.160
<v Speaker 1>But this idea was overturned by a Spanish neuroscientist named

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Santiago Ramonicjl. He spent a lot of time at his

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 1>microscope trying to look at brain tissue, and because he

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 1>was a photographer also, he had all these chemicals in

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:22.239
<v Speaker 1>his workshop, these stains that he put on to thin

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 1>slices of brain tissue to see if that would allow

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>him to see anything better. And some of his stains

0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:32.399
<v Speaker 1>leaped into a few of the neurons and turned them

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:36.280
<v Speaker 1>all black, and he was able to visualize them under

0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the microscope that way. So he put forward this idea,

0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.680
<v Speaker 1>which turned out to be right, that the brain, instead

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:47.360
<v Speaker 1>of being a subway system of tubes, was a massive

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:52.799
<v Speaker 1>collection of billions of discrete cells. He called this the

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>neuron doctrine, and this was a massively important step in neuroscience,

0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.759
<v Speaker 1>and it eventually won him the Nobel Prize. Now, this

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 1>idea that the brain is made up of lots of

0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:08.880
<v Speaker 1>individual cells, this ushered in an important new concept because

0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:13.399
<v Speaker 1>people began to realize that these separate cells they have

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 1>to influence each other through these little connections between them,

0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:21.720
<v Speaker 1>these synapses. And Ramonic Cahol was the first to suggest

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:28.960
<v Speaker 1>that learning and memory might occur by changing these synapses,

0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:34.000
<v Speaker 1>so several decades later, in nineteen forty nine, the neuroscientist

0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Donald Hebb made a specific proposal for how synapses should

0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:43.920
<v Speaker 1>adjust to underlie memory. He said that if one cell

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:49.480
<v Speaker 1>consistently participates in exciting another cell, then the connection between

0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:53.800
<v Speaker 1>them is strengthened, and if the first cell consistently fails

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:56.879
<v Speaker 1>to excite the second cell, then the connection between them

0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:02.080
<v Speaker 1>is weakened. So this rule is often as cells that

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 1>fire together wire together, and most models of memory formation

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 1>employ this kind of rule. Now, when Hebb proposed this hypothesis,

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:16.440
<v Speaker 1>there was no experimental evidence to support it, and it

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:21.279
<v Speaker 1>took until nineteen seventy three for two researchers to discover that,

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:25.040
<v Speaker 1>in fact, that seems to be what happens between neurons.

0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:28.560
<v Speaker 1>So you stimulate some neuron over here, and you measure

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 1>the very tiny electrical response that it causes in this

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.640
<v Speaker 1>neuron over here. Then you blast the first neural with

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of electrical stimulation for thirty seconds, and then

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.839
<v Speaker 1>you try that first experiment again, where you give this

0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:44.120
<v Speaker 1>guy a little zapp and you look at the electrical

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:47.239
<v Speaker 1>signal that it causes in the second neuron, and what

0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 1>you find is that you now have a larger signal.

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:57.719
<v Speaker 1>The synapse has strengthened, and that strengthening lasts. The connection

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 1>strength between these two neurons has changed, and that change

0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:05.600
<v Speaker 1>is held on to through time. So the synaptic connection

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 1>can be modified as a result of the cell's history

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:15.759
<v Speaker 1>of activity. Now, a typical neuron has ten thousand connections,

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:20.120
<v Speaker 1>and what's fascinating is that each individual connection can strengthen

0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:24.160
<v Speaker 1>or weaken according to its history. So the way that

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:28.200
<v Speaker 1>activity flows through a network of billions of neurons can

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 1>be completely changed. By dialing the strength of this connection here,

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:33.880
<v Speaker 1>in that connection there, and so on for all the

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 1>connections across the brain. By dialing the strengths up and

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 1>down and holding on to those, you can store information

0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.200
<v Speaker 1>in the system. And just to give you a sense

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of the size of the parameter space here, the large

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:55.720
<v Speaker 1>language model GPT four has one point seventy six trillion connections,

0:51:56.400 --> 0:52:00.759
<v Speaker 1>but the human brain has about one hundred times that.

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.000
<v Speaker 1>So there are a lot of parameters that can be

0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:09.960
<v Speaker 1>tweaked in the brain to store information. Now, by the

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:13.320
<v Speaker 1>way the birth of artificial neural networks like GPT, for

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.440
<v Speaker 1>is rooted in these discoveries from the brain from the

0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 1>past century. You have a bunch of units, and you

0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:23.840
<v Speaker 1>have connections between these units, and you change the strength

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 1>of those connections. That's how large language models work because

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:32.400
<v Speaker 1>making small, subtle changes in the way that units communicate

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:36.919
<v Speaker 1>a network can change the entire network's output behavior. By

0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:41.399
<v Speaker 1>tuning the parameters of the network just right, or in fact,

0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:44.800
<v Speaker 1>letting a network adjust its own connections according to some algorithm,

0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:50.279
<v Speaker 1>a network learns to associate inputs and remember what it

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:56.120
<v Speaker 1>has learned. This is how we build artificial learning and memory,

0:52:56.200 --> 0:53:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and modern artificial neural networks are extraordinarily impressive. But I

0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:05.400
<v Speaker 1>think it's really important to note that although these connections

0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:09.600
<v Speaker 1>between neurons have gotten all the attention, both theoretically and experimentally,

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:14.960
<v Speaker 1>there are lots of other possible ways to store information

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:18.680
<v Speaker 1>in the brain. For the last century, people have assumed

0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:22.960
<v Speaker 1>that synapses are the key to memory, but the story

0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:28.000
<v Speaker 1>has been complexified by recent decades of research. Where it

0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:32.240
<v Speaker 1>stands now is that synaptic changes are necessary for learning

0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:35.560
<v Speaker 1>and memory, but we really don't know if they are sufficient.

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 1>It's still unclear whether these changes that the synapse is

0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>will be the only or even the most important mechanisms

0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:47.120
<v Speaker 1>involved in memory, or perhaps whether they're involved at all,

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:51.399
<v Speaker 1>because the fact is that a dense net of intertwined

0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:57.920
<v Speaker 1>cells has to orchestrate a careful balance between excitation and inhibition,

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:01.279
<v Speaker 1>otherwise the whole thing blows up into epilepsy or it

0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:04.640
<v Speaker 1>sinks down into non activity. And it could be that

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 1>all these synaptic changes we see are just to keep

0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the system away from epileptic overload or synaptic shutdown, and

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 1>memory maybe is stored in an entirely different manner. Our

0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>science is still young, and it's possible that we're still

0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:27.120
<v Speaker 1>missing the core mechanisms of memory, because after all, there

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:31.880
<v Speaker 1>are adjustable parameters throughout the brain. You change something here

0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.240
<v Speaker 1>and the network behaves differently there. So there are many

0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 1>other possible mechanisms involved in memory in the brain. For

0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:44.719
<v Speaker 1>the cognitionanty, this could involve neurogenesis or changes in the

0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:48.800
<v Speaker 1>excitability of the neuron, or the distribution of ion channel

0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:52.359
<v Speaker 1>or the shape of dendritic trees and their spines, where

0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the phosphorylation states of intracellular proteins, where the epigenetic codes

0:54:57.239 --> 0:54:59.719
<v Speaker 1>and on and on. Okay, this is all in my

0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:01.959
<v Speaker 1>tech book and we're not going to go into that here,

0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:05.080
<v Speaker 1>but I do want to say that with so many

0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 1>degrees of freedom in biological systems, the number of possible

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:15.080
<v Speaker 1>ways to storm memory in a brain is vast. So

0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:18.600
<v Speaker 1>why do we look at the connection strength of synapse

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:23.040
<v Speaker 1>as well? It's partially because that's what we can measure

0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:28.640
<v Speaker 1>most easily. It's extremely difficult, essentially impossible currently to measure

0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:33.680
<v Speaker 1>in a living animal changes in channel distribution or dendritic

0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 1>spines or epigenetic codes in single neurons. So as a result,

0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 1>almost the whole field of neuroscience just measures changes at

0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the connections between cells. And that might turn out to

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:51.120
<v Speaker 1>be right, But if you could read the textbooks one

0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:53.680
<v Speaker 1>hundred years from now, it might turn out to be

0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:57.720
<v Speaker 1>that we were like the drunk, looking for our keys

0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:02.200
<v Speaker 1>under the street light because that's where the lighting was better.

0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:07.640
<v Speaker 1>So while artificial neural networks are awe inspiring and they're

0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:10.360
<v Speaker 1>rapidly changing the world, we don't know for sure that

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:14.680
<v Speaker 1>they're doing the same things algorithmically that the brain is doing.

0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 1>They in a sense simplify everything. They are a clever

0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:22.960
<v Speaker 1>step backwards from biology. In other words, you take the

0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:28.480
<v Speaker 1>complexity of a single cell with the entire human genome

0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:31.520
<v Speaker 1>in it and millions of proteins trafficking around, and you

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:36.080
<v Speaker 1>just imagine that it's a unit with simple connections to

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:39.800
<v Speaker 1>other units. And as I said, that has turned out

0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:43.880
<v Speaker 1>in large language models to be shockingly effective. But we

0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:47.440
<v Speaker 1>really have no way of knowing right now how much

0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:50.839
<v Speaker 1>more we could get out of artificial neural networks if

0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:56.600
<v Speaker 1>we included the rich complexity of actual biology. Maybe it

0:56:56.640 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't add anything, but maybe it would unlock in entirely

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 1>new levels of function, making artificial neural networks more like

0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 1>a human with a sense of what information is relevant

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to learn and incorporating needs and goals and strategies and

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 1>enjoying the experience of consciousness. The thing to keep in

0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:25.720
<v Speaker 1>mind is that Mother Nature has had billions of years

0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:30.320
<v Speaker 1>to try quadrillions of experiments, and we've only been making

0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:33.960
<v Speaker 1>artificial neural networks for a few decades. So if I

0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:36.800
<v Speaker 1>were a betting man, I would say there's probably a

0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:41.800
<v Speaker 1>lot more to be discovered. It is certainly possible that

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:48.120
<v Speaker 1>we have not yet found memories Rosetta Stone and I

0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:51.560
<v Speaker 1>want to point to one more thing about real brains

0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that's definitely not captured in artificial neural networks, and that

0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 1>is the concept of forgetting. Remember I mentioned at the

0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:04.080
<v Speaker 1>beginning about the mneminist named Sharyshevski, It turns out that

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Sherishevski's enviable memory went hand in hand with a surprisingly

0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:14.600
<v Speaker 1>handicapped personality. He was crippled by the fact that he

0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:18.640
<v Speaker 1>could not forget. Because when you have a memory like his,

0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:24.680
<v Speaker 1>all the moments in life are retained. Past vandettas and

0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>things people did to slight you, and embarrassing moments and

0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:34.200
<v Speaker 1>situations you've outgrown, and heartbreaks you would rather let slip

0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:38.480
<v Speaker 1>into the past. All of these remain present and emotionally

0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:43.120
<v Speaker 1>salient for you. And remember I mentioned the mnemenist Jill Price,

0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:46.120
<v Speaker 1>who also had an untaxable memory. Just think about what

0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:49.240
<v Speaker 1>drove her to seek help in the first place. Her

0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:53.479
<v Speaker 1>memories were deeply emotional and sprang up throughout her day.

0:58:54.240 --> 0:59:00.240
<v Speaker 1>Jill is constantly pouring over her past, an obsessive detailing

0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:05.560
<v Speaker 1>mementos from childhood onward and becoming distressed by changes like

0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:08.760
<v Speaker 1>moving to a new home. So for both Sharashevski and

0:59:08.840 --> 0:59:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Jill Price. Having a perfect memory impaired them as much

0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:17.640
<v Speaker 1>as equipped them, and this unmasks one of the great

0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:21.120
<v Speaker 1>values of the way memory typically exists in most people.

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:27.840
<v Speaker 1>We don't retain everything, but instead items fade. One of

0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:31.360
<v Speaker 1>my favorite quotations is from the French novelist and playwright

0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Honore de Balzac, who wrote, memories beautify life, but the

0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:42.360
<v Speaker 1>capacity to forget makes it bearable. So when it comes

0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:45.640
<v Speaker 1>to thinking about human memory, remember that of all the

0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:49.160
<v Speaker 1>things we talked about that differentiate us from digital computers,

0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 1>a very important one is our capacity to not remember everything.

0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:59.280
<v Speaker 1>And even that which we do remember doesn't last too long.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's wrap up. We've seen that human memory is

1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:05.680
<v Speaker 1>not quite the same as a computer's memory. We don't

1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:09.720
<v Speaker 1>store zeros and ones, but instead we hold memories about

1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the gist of things, the relationships between things, and we

1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:18.240
<v Speaker 1>forget through time and memory for us is stored in

1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:22.480
<v Speaker 1>lots and lots of subsystems. We have different mechanisms for

1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:26.160
<v Speaker 1>short term memory and for long term memory, and within

1:00:26.240 --> 1:00:31.920
<v Speaker 1>each of those categories we have subcategories. For example, implicit

1:00:32.000 --> 1:00:34.360
<v Speaker 1>memories that you can't articulate, like how to ride a

1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:38.440
<v Speaker 1>bike and explicit memories like facts and events that you

1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:41.400
<v Speaker 1>can talk about. And in all of these cases you

1:00:41.440 --> 1:00:44.919
<v Speaker 1>can lose some of these types of memory without any

1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:48.919
<v Speaker 1>effect on the other types. And now that we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>an overview of memory in the brain, we will now

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<v Speaker 1>be ready to turn to the main reason we have memory,

1:00:57.720 --> 1:01:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and that is to predict the future. We retain information

1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:08.080
<v Speaker 1>in the detailed configuration of our forest of billions of

1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:12.000
<v Speaker 1>cells and trillions of connections, and the point is to

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<v Speaker 1>develop a better understanding of the world so that we

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<v Speaker 1>can know what will happen next. And for that, please

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<v Speaker 1>join me in the next episode where we look at

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<v Speaker 1>prediction how we simulate possible future worlds. This is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the main jobs of brains, and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>reason they retain memory. So right now, if you're imagining

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<v Speaker 1>tuning into the next episode and feeling the emotional joy

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<v Speaker 1>of what you will learn and what you will see there,

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<v Speaker 1>this is your brain doing what it was meant to do,

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<v Speaker 1>simulating the future. I will see you there. Go to

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<v Speaker 1>Eagleman dot com slash podcast for more information and to

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<v Speaker 1>I address those until next time. I'm David Eagleman, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is Inner Cosmos.