WEBVTT - Kardashians: The TRUTH behind Kim + Kourtney's BEEF 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:05.080 Hey rain Drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. That's right. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:11.240 You can buy your Allegedly and my Boys mugs, T shirts, 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:16.440 rain Drops, hoodies and T shirts all on Carlos Kingshop 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:17.639 dot com. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:18.560 That's right. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.800 Get your hoodies, your T shirts, and your mugs all 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:30.600 on Carlos Kingshop dot com. Welcome to Reality with the King. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.680 It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.480 one of the most sought after executive producers in reality 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.800 television with over ten years of production experience. Once a 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.559 week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.519 my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.480 and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and 0:00:54.560 --> 0:01:03.640 tweeting about. Watch Hey, rain Drops. On today's episode of 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.160 Reality with the King. I am joined by Blue Telusma, 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.320 who is a culture critic and writer and Miss Thing 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.560 doesn't know this, but I enjoy her. On Hollywood Unlocked 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:19.399 with Jason Lee, I know you did know that? 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:20.839 Did you idea you knew? 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:26.480 Oh honey, I know, and I watch, Yes, I watch you, 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.399 and I'm so proud of you and all the work 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:33.800 you're doing. So we are going to talk about the Kardashians, 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:39.680 the Kim versus Courtney, and Travis of it all is controversial. Well, 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.520 my girl Blue has found but let me tell you, 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.600 rain drops how this all came about. And Blue, you 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.960 don't know this story, honey, So you're going to hear 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.320 for the first time along with my listeners. Oh here, 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:57.559 so okay, here I am true true story. This past Saturday, 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.320 I am in my I'm en route to the gym. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.960 One of my friends for over twenty years, whose chevromin 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.320 nameless because she was like Carlos, stop talking about MINA podcasts, 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.240 So I'm not gonna say her name. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.080 She sent me this. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:19.080 Video of this beautiful black woman giving this diatrobe of 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:26.000 Kim and Courtney's beef and how Travis Barker's memoir may 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.840 make sense in terms of what's been going on with 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.600 Kim and Courtney's weird beep. So I'm listening to it 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.840 and then I'm like, okay. So I land at the gym, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.360 and then I said, I have to get her on 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.119 my podcast. So I found out who was and I said, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.640 oh my god, that's a girl in Hollywood unlocked. So 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.080 I slid to her DMS on a Saturday and said, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.040 are you able to come on my podcast? 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.280 And here she is, So thank you for this quick 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:56.119 turn around, my love. 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.400 No, if you are one of the few people I 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.120 would have said yes to do on a Saturday, I 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.320 just want to sh you are a reality show legend. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:05.480 I have to give you your flower. 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:06.160 Thank you. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.720 So many of the moments that the girls take for granted, 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.680 you planted that seed, and so I definitely had to 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:14.799 come for this. I had to because one thing I've 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.120 learned from working with Jason is black media matters, and 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.919 we tend to be overshadowed by those who grabbed the 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.079 baton from us and commodify it without giving us our due. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.560 So I would have done this for you on a Sunday, 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:26.600 even even on The Lord Today. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.600 Carlos, Oh, don't make me cry, girl, because the way 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.960 you read Travis Keim mccourtney's trifecta hoodie, I was too 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.680 busy gagging and crying and laughter. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.360 So let's get right into it. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.200 So, if you've been living under rock, the season premiere 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:48.360 of The Kardashians on Hulu was just released, and Baby, 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.320 this clip that's been floating around all of social media 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:59.240 is Kimberly Noel Kardashian esteem actress Hoddy not my Girls acting. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.840 She's on a funber Courtney and they're talking about this 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.800 redundant beef of what happened with Kim and Dolce Gavana 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.640 and Courtney's wedding. I'll spare the details, but what was 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:18.920 so magnificent about this conversation? Courtney told Kim, I hate you. 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:23.320 You are a witch and you're such a narcissist. You 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.839 want to be the sense of attention. Kim likes to 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.280 go below the belt. Now what Courtney just said, it's 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.360 also below the belt. But I don't know any person 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.240 who would ever tell a mother your kids even talk 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.360 about you and said we have a group chap called 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:43.240 no Courtney. So anyways, all of that happened. Blue is 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:49.480 PI private Eye. Okay, she's inspector Gadget. I won't give 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.440 it away because I want you to. I think Blue 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:58.200 may have unlocked the mystery in terms of why Kim 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.880 and Courtney this beef that seems to be running on 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:03.520 a hamster. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.159 Whell so Blue take it away, my sister. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.680 Well, the first thing I have to tell everyone is, 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.800 please don't tell me about how evil Kim is. I 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.720 never said Kim was an angel, So everybody wasted their 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.799 time and their Twitter fingers telling me Kim wasn't an angel. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.280 I never said she was. It's irrelevant, right, and so 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.159 that's the first thing I have to say. The second 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.520 thing is I do think the person who started the 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:28.240 beef was Chris Jenner because she created this ecosystem of 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.440 whoever makes the most money's her favorite, and then she'll 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.680 talk about it on camera, kekey about it. So Chris 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.000 Jenner started it. I'm gonna say that, Carlos, you invited me. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:37.919 You know who you were inviting. You know what I do. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.560 Tavis finished it, but Chris started it. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.160 That's the issue our ros lead to. Chris. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.160 Let me tell you something about how much I investigate. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.080 So in addition to be a cultural critic, I do 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.359 emotional intelligence coaching. So everything that I do is the 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.440 lens of psychology, and the Kardashian Jenner's actually represent six 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:02.200 psychological archetypes that the audience is going to immediately recognize. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.520 Chris Jenner, she is the puppet master. We all know 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.560 that Chris Jenner is a puppet master. Now Courtney Shortest 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.159 one has the longest name. That's how I tend to 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:15.680 remember because she's not memorable. Courtney is the manipulative victim, 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:17.880 so she manipulates through victimhood. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.240 Chris, I mean krim is. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:23.599 The narcissistic it girl. So she's not a narcissist, but 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:25.800 she's narcissistic. And she's the pretty one that everybody pays 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.920 attention to. Let's call a thing by its name. And 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.760 then we have Chloe, the short name is the tallest one. 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.320 She is the one who's like the people pleasing martyr. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.200 She'll set herself on fire to keep everybody warm, including 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.080 wayward black men looking to make mix babies with her. 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.640 And then we have Kendall, who is like the tomboysh 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.000 like pick me, I'm not like the other girls, Yes 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.160 you are. You are exactly like the other girls. Shut up. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.040 And last, but not least, we have Kylie, who's the 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.920 wild card and the gag is Carlos. The reason why 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.799 I knew that Chloe and and Courtney were a little 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.880 bit full of it is because if Courtney really was 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.440 she said she was, she'd be moving like Kylie. Kylie 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.240 will not show up. She doesn't feel like it, she 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.680 doesn't burn the house down, she finds her boyfriend, she 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.880 makes her baby, she makes her billions. Allegedly, Forbes has 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.760 some beef around that. She makes her money and she 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.760 minds her business. So if Courtney really just wanted to 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.120 be left alone, she could have been left alone. She 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.560 could have been left alone. I'm calling bs. So that's 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:21.160 where I wanted to start. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.520 Well, there's a lot to unpact there. Okay. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:30.360 So Courtney is, in your words, the forgettable one because 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:31.920 she's not memorable, right. 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.960 Okay, memorable by proximity to other people. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:40.760 Okaya, Kim is the pretty one and she's narcissistic. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.160 It girls, Yeah, okay. 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.400 Chloe's a people pleaser who would set herself on fire 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:49.559 to please anybody in her orbit. Ken though, is picked 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.880 me because she wants to say I'm not like that, 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.320 but you really are. And Kylie to you is the 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.680 only one who's like, I hate being famous, I hate 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.840 all this shit. I don't like filming. You will never 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:01.800 see me on the show. I'll be in the main titles. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.960 I'll do a feto shoot. I may appear here now. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:09.160 You will never ever see me talk about my personal 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.560 life with my man, my baby daddy and Stormy. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.560 Anybody who likes Courtney really likes Kylie. Courtney is pretending 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:20.000 to be what Kylie actually is, and that's the gag 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.200 of it all. So all of you were like, no, 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.160 Courtney's down to earth if you were down to earth. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:24.720 I said this in the video, and a lot of 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.680 people had a strong feeling about it. The worst kind 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.120 of hater is the one that will sit at the 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:30.960 table break bread with you and then wait for you 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.719 to choke on the bread. That is her problem. She's 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.000 sitting there at the table, benefiting from being on the show. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.160 She has final say in the final cut, so she 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.200 knew that episode was coming out the way that it did, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.080 but will pretend that she's above it. If you really 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:45.360 didn't want to be there, you would have been in 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.679 the parking lot with Kylie, like, come on, let's call 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.760 a thing a thing. Belove it? Like she lies so 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.880 much and she manipulates to playing victim and let me 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:55.360 tell you the realty. Because I did watch a couple 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.079 of the old episodes. The only thing that made Courtney 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.400 relevant ever was the fact that she and Chloe we 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.240 used to gang up on Kim because they were making 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.000 fun of Kim for being so fame hungry, and she 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.080 had a debut baby daddy, right, so it was a 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.679 deputy baby daddy, And you and the fat funny one 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.760 are gonna like make fun of the pretty one that 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.800 was her thing. I think the turning point Carls is 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:17.280 looking at me, Cals, I'm just getting started. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.319 No, no, no, no, no no. This is because the girls need 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:20.800 to know this. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:21.160 I know. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:25.520 I've considered this housewise connoisseur, and obviously by proxy is 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.280 because I produced two of the franchises, so I know 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.600 a lot about that that that formula. However, dot Org, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:36.640 I am a Cardashing connoisseur. So everything you're saying, I've 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.800 been watching the show since season one. I do not 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.000 miss a season. Even when this season is boring, I'm 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:46.440 gonna watch it. But no, I'm gagging because me and 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.880 my girl, the girl who referred your video to me, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.280 she and I always say, look, say what you want. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.800 Courtney and Scott carry the show because Scott was such 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.320 an anti Kardashing in the sense of he they care 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.440 about the public image. And this is no shade to the 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.880 Kardashian who I love, but they care about the public image. 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:10.600 And because Scott was the anti that it allowed Courtney 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:15.320 to be seen in a way because Cam's boyfriends were 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.600 always out of state, so you were able to see 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.520 these daily interactions between Scott and Courtney. But so I 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.240 agree with everything you're saying so far continuous, and you. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:27.920 Agree because you like facts. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.200 So that's how I oh, yeah, I'm a journalist, Hey, Portia. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.600 Journalistic is you know, I love por journalistic. Integrity matters. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.160 And the thing that is such a key for me 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.600 is everything that I've said that's been so inflammatory is 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.920 me just repeating the facts. And Scott distic is excellent 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.200 television with people are like, I don't understand why they 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.200 were still friends with Scott even after he broke up 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.880 with Courtney because he's excellent television and their producers and 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.400 they're not stupid. You're not gonna let your cash cow 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.000 go away just because he stopped sleeping with the boring one. 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.600 And so the thing is her value was sleeping with 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.400 Scott and having his storyline be gifted to us Lord 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:04.160 Disic gold right, and even watching Chloe and Scott because 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.560 they have personalities. I both said, is Courtney's really good 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.480 at finding people who have personalities and kind of just 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.199 standing next to them and winning in their shadow. Right. 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.400 So what ended up happening is Scott got tired of 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.080 putting babies in her because even though we're gonna get 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.200 married her and Chloe got tired of being the funny 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.840 fat one. She was like, we are sitting around collecting 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.920 checks like welfare and not doing nothing and talking shit 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.280 about him. But I would like to feel sexy and pretty. 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.120 I'm gonna start working out and trying to look cute 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.880 and start my own brand. And the minute that Chloe 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.800 started working on her fitness and working on her brand 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.840 and finding a work ethic for once, suddenly she couldn't 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.079 be a lazy hater with Courtney, and Courtney was left 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.920 to hate her on her own. So she lost baby 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.640 Daddy and she lost her her sidekick, and what does. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:53.199 She do with Look that was me dropping the mic girl. Okay, 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:57.840 so well, honey, my. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.600 Line in Carlos, that's all I wanted to ask you 0:11:59.640 --> 0:11:59.920 my life? 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.760 Oh my, what have you been on my life? Okay, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.160 groc listen, this is the gag. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.840 I can literally talk to you all day, which is 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.320 like kind of sad but just true because I'm so 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.520 invested in this. Okay, so now that we got the 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:21.040 crux of rehashing the history of everything, because baby, oh child, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:25.520 you are on point, explain to the audience what happened 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:30.200 recently that you discovered, and when I listen, the reason 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.760 why I take the word journalism very seriously is because 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.480 one thing I was taught in college. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:42.080 Before I dropped out was that because that's another podcast, because. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.920 You must cite your sources, and I felt like, in 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.000 this world of social media, everything's opinion based and nobody 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.559 cares about facts anymore. It's all about popular opinion and 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.680 running the gamut of not trying to get like canceled 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.920 because you have an unpopular opinion. One thing you did Blue, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.000 which is why I said I'm inviting her on not 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:08.440 only because I'm aware of her journalistic background. You did 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.280 your research, you cited your sources, and you were reading 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.880 things that I'm like, girlfriend, I meg on Amazon dot com. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.400 Use my audible points, honey, and buy the memoir of 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.360 Travis Barker because you spilled the tea. So explain to 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:29.520 us what you uncovered that could explain why Courtney is 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.679 so mad at Kim. 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.000 She spilled with Hey, well, every journalist needs a moment 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.480 where they're like, hey, I think there's a story here. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.360 And for me, the moment was when Chris Jenner told 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.559 One Life too Many, because she went on and she 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.720 was like, you know, Courtney, Travis told me that in 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.600 two thousand and seven he bought a house in Calabasas 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:47.720 because he knew you were the love of his life 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.720 and you knew that one day you'd be free and 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.000 that he'd be able to like be with you. And 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.840 I was like, Noah, wait a minute, did Travis even 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.040 know Cordney in two thousand and seven? And I was like, 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.760 and I started thinking about things that I had heard 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.200 in the ether, like in two thousand and seven, he 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.920 was dating Paris Hilton and Paris was hanging out with Kim. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.280 So that's what made me realize that, wait a minute, 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:07.800 I think that story is true, but I think the 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.920 names were switched. I was like, I think Chris just 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.880 took Kim's story and tried to assign it to the Deadbeat. 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:16.400 And I was like, oh man, now I got to 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:20.040 investigate this. So I got to researching, and let me 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.080 tell you, Travis needs to give her to that book 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.400 or pay me for pr FS because I feel like 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.840 his sales are going to skyrocket on Amazon ever since 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.960 the video went viral because the book he told on himself, 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.400 and I'm someone who has a lot of straight male friends, 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.600 and I literally said, hey, from when I read in 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.000 the book, do you agree with what I'm coming up 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.000 to the like? No, as a man, I completely agree 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.880 with what you're saying. Because in the book he says 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.200 he broke up with Shennamochler. Paris was his rebound. She 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.520 was like the it girl back then. Kim was the help. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.280 She was rich, but she was still the help, let's 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.320 be honest. And she was driving Paris around and designing 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.200 her closets and whatnot, trying to get famous, wait in 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.480 for a look. And when they went to Amsterdam, Paris 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.120 brought Kim with her, and Travis wrote in his book, 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.640 I know I was dating Paris Hilton, but I couldn't 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.240 keep my eyes off of him. She's just so damn hot. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.200 I told all my boys in that trip, I know 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:06.720 I'm with Paris, but I can't keep my eyes off 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.160 of him. And then he said that even when him 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.800 and Kim like came home, he slid into her and 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:14.720 they didn't have DMS back then. He hit up, heard 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.080 her cricket whatever, she had a BlackBerry. He hit her 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.840 up and tried to continue a friendship and even gave 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.600 her advice when she was thinking about doing the show 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.600 with Ryan Seacrest. So this is pre the show. Before 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.000 the show even started, Travis was like, I got my 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.000 eyes on this one, and she's in a relationship with 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.040 ray J. But like most dudes when they have a 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.360 pretty female friend, I'm a wait. And then in the 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.720 book he says, the minute the sex kick came out 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.280 and I found out that ray J and Kim had 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.320 broken up, I hit her up and started taking her 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.920 on lunch and dinner dates. And I bought a house 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.640 in Calabasa so I could be closer to her. 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.960 So the whole story wait wait. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.200 Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.360 wait wait wait okay, okay, because we got to dissect 0:15:53.400 --> 0:16:01.160 that you're saying that Chris Jenner said on The Kardashian Show, 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.080 and so this is the Hulu show. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.080 Well, there's been so many shows, it's one of them. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:06.760 I know, there's been so many shows. But she said 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:07.760 on their reality show. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.200 Yes, so Chris, you're alleging or is it alleging or 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.520 is it true, because obviously you got to preceive. So 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.880 Chris Jenner said on her reality show that in two 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.120 thousand and seven, oh my gosh, Travis moved to Calabasas 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.200 to be close to the Courtney. But in fact, you 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.680 have read in this man's memoir in Black and White 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.160 that when he was dating Paris Hilton. 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.160 Because the way it works in Hollywood. 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:36.440 Guys and in hip hop, everybody, that's a whole nother 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:41.600 podcast says, Hey, the way it works in Hollywood and 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.760 hip hop, you sort of update the it girl within 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:50.960 that subculture, and Paris Hilton at the time in Hollywood 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.880 was the it girl. So Travis Barker being the rock star, 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.920 it was sort of like everybody wanted their own version 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.160 of Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson. Like that's kind of 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.560 what that world is, sort of like airby Rapper now 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.280 wants their Beyonce. Every body and the hip hop wants 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.800 Beyonce and jay Z. That's why you know what, Let 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.800 me stop. That's another podcast they will do, like. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.360 I'm hearing podcast Carlos. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.800 But yes, okay, that's the whole dot of bubble deal 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:21.680 for my brain drops. So what happened was he wrote 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.879 in the book that he moved to Calabasas to be 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:25.880 close to him. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.119 Well, this is the thing. He didn't connect them. He 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.200 was smart. He wrote that he moved to Calabasas after 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.760 the divorce and that he was smitten with Kim, who 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.600 just happened to live in Calabasas. So twenty years later, 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.399 when Chris is lying and saying, well, he said he 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.199 moved to Calabasas because he thought the love of his 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.480 life lived there. That's when I pulled out a calculator 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.840 and started doing math. That's what happened. I carried the 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.960 one Carlos, and I found a lie. So that's what happened. 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.600 It was so funny because they keep peace smelling the truth. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:54.040 So if you just put all the pieces and you 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.480 start rearraising me like, oh wait a minute, if he's 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.399 telling the mom I moved to Calabasas in two thousand 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:00.719 and seven because I thought I had met the love 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:02.800 of my life. And in the book he's saying in 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.199 two thousand and seven, I was singing with Kim Kardashian 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.760 and Courtney's name is nowhere in sight. It doesn't take 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.960 a rocket scientist to figure out that one plus one 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.720 is still too right. So I was like, wait a minute, 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.199 and then people are saying, well, Blue, that was fifteen 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:16.560 years ago. Some of y'all said, twenty, I need you 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.280 to learn how account that was fifteen years ago, and 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.480 so maybe he got over it. Uh eight years later, 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.840 after he had tried to mac on him and she 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.880 had friend zoned him. When he wrote his memoir, he 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.800 used the chapter about Kim as his publicity chapter. And Carlos, 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.000 everybody in the industry knows the story that you extrapolate 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:36.879 from a memoir to be the thing that you talk 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:38.600 to the press about is the thing that you think 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:40.840 it's going to be shining that you want to exemplify. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.000 And as a man who's trying to get with a girl, 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.439 he's probably thinking, well, it's been eight years, maybe she's 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.879 still interested. Maybe if I talk in public to us 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.560 weekly the Bible of celebrity back then about how much 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.080 I used to be in love with her, maybe she'll 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:54.960 hit me up because we're still friends, Like, come on, 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.800 let's be honest. Eight years later, we made her the 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.639 focal point of the memoir when he. 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.200 Was public, So when he was on the promo trail 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.920 promoting his memoile, which is true. 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:06.720 So when a. 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.800 Celebrity has autobiography and memoile, or any book for that matter, 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.439 Let's talk about Kerry Washington. For example, Kerry Washington just 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:19.040 wrote a book, It's her biography, and on the promo trail, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.359 what every publication news interviews talking about is the fact 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:28.760 that her biological father was a sperm donor, and she 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.680 had an abortion, and she almost committed suicide. So these 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.439 are things that she's talking about from the book in 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.920 order for people to be excited to buy the book. 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.560 So what you're saying is Travis used a chapter amongs 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:48.280 his life story and his whole life story as a 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:53.400 rock star. He used for the public promo of this book, 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.520 the chapter about Kimberly Noel Kardashian. 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.359 I couldn't keep my eyes off of her. That quote 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.199 was plastered everywhere at the time. I couldn't keep my 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.040 eyes off of her. I know she was I know 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:04.720 she was the closet girl, but I just couldn't keep 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:08.240 my eyes off of her. And mind you, at this point, 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.040 he's been hanging out at DASH and he's now a 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.359