Speaker 1: Good morning, Keeps, and welcome to ook F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl. Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: Happy Memorial Day. I hope that you have the day off.
Speaker 1: I hope that you are doing something outdoors that if
Speaker 1: the sun is shining where you are today. Coming up
Speaker 1: my conversation, my weekly conversation with our friend, our in
Speaker 1: house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. And you know, Jonathan and
Speaker 1: I get into a conversation on tactics and what tactics
Speaker 1: we think that Democrats should be imploring as Republicans continue
Speaker 1: to run gangbusters with their anti LGBTQ, anti black, anti
Speaker 1: people of anti women, anti abortion, anti democracy, slate of
Speaker 1: policies and bills, that they are just drowning, drowning the
Speaker 1: country in And you know, recently we've talked about on
Speaker 1: this show, and I've talked about on others about the
Speaker 1: NAACP's call for a travel advisory, HRC's call for a
Speaker 1: travel advisory, and other people to Florida, and we you know,
Speaker 1: I've had conversations on this show. I have called for
Speaker 1: a national boycott. I think that if you want to
Speaker 1: see real change in this country, it looks like shutting
Speaker 1: down capitalism. It looks like shutting this country down, grinding
Speaker 1: it to a halt, and not in the way that
Speaker 1: the Republicans are trying to do with the debt ceiling.
Speaker 1: Who knows, by the time that this airs, maybe they
Speaker 1: will have concocted a deal.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Again, I won't hold my breath because I don't want
Speaker 1: to pass out. But the reality is that money talks
Speaker 1: and bullshit walks. And I believe that boycott's work. I
Speaker 1: believe it's why Martin Luther King called for a boycott
Speaker 1: of the state of Alabama back in nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 1: I believe that a call for a boycott nationally, though, however,
Speaker 1: will do a lot more damage like a walkout and
Speaker 1: be like, so we're done right until this country returns
Speaker 1: to its democratic values. And look, I am very well
Speaker 1: aware that America is flawed as fuck, But what we
Speaker 1: have seen transpired over the last seven to eight years
Speaker 1: under the Maga regime is absolutely abhorrent. Like it is
Speaker 1: things that we have never seen in our lifetime and
Speaker 1: have only read about in history books that are now
Speaker 1: fucking banned in states around this country. And so when
Speaker 1: we look at this and we realize that at this time,
Speaker 1: this critical time in our body politic, that the people
Speaker 1: still have a voice, still have a voice. We have
Speaker 1: got to utilize it to the best of our ability.
Speaker 1: We have got to take the action right, the drastic actions.
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not saying that boycotts are easy. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that it will be a magical you know,
Speaker 1: switching on of the lights and then all will be
Speaker 1: well in this sea of darkness that we seem to
Speaker 1: be swimming in. But what I am seeing, what I
Speaker 1: am saying, is that people need to recognize their power.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: No one is trying to take away your vote if
Speaker 1: it didn't matter right. Nobody is trying to ban books
Speaker 1: if education is not power right. Nobody is trying to
Speaker 1: shut down trans people and non binary people, if living
Speaker 1: in your truth isn't powerful right and doesn't encourage other
Speaker 1: people to do the same and drop the fucking charades
Speaker 1: and lies right that they have been leading their entire lives.
Speaker 1: You see, trans people represent power in this country, the
Speaker 1: power to live in your truth, to stand in that truth,
Speaker 1: and to buck systems and conventions that tell you that
Speaker 1: you don't know who you are, but that they know
Speaker 1: who you are right, that you need to just fall
Speaker 1: in line right otherwise you will stand to be erased.
Speaker 1: And so what I recognize is that the experience that
Speaker 1: we're having right now at the hands of these right
Speaker 1: wing fascists, white supremacists is their fear, and they lash
Speaker 1: out with their fear, and it is hateful legislation left
Speaker 1: and right, front and back. And the way to stop
Speaker 1: it from happening is to stop it from happening, right.
Speaker 1: Not to pretend that because right now you live inside
Speaker 1: of a blue state that we're like, oh, we're good, right, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: California will always be blue, where New York will always
Speaker 1: be blue. No, it's not because I in the last
Speaker 1: election for governor here all of a sudden, Kathy Hockle
Speaker 1: is go in and run in the campaign speeches in
Speaker 1: places like the Bronx where they haven't seen a governor.
Speaker 1: I don't think ever, because Lee Zelden came that fucking close. Right,
Speaker 1: She's still won by double digits, but it should have
Speaker 1: been a much larger margin than it was. So understand
Speaker 1: that the tactics that are being used are same, same
Speaker 1: but a little different right where they're not just coming
Speaker 1: for blue states but they're coming for blue cities and
Speaker 1: different disenfranchising them and the way that they have done
Speaker 1: in Nashville, in the way that they've done in Memphis,
Speaker 1: right and giving all power to rural areas. And what
Speaker 1: are rural areas largely full of white people?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Racist white people, not just any type of white people.
Speaker 1: So I think that it's really important for us to
Speaker 1: think about the tactics of boycotts and whether it's time
Speaker 1: to really employ them in a way that is nationalized
Speaker 1: as a way to fight back against the unrelenting anti
Speaker 1: democratic forces at play in the Republican Cultish Party. So
Speaker 1: coming up next my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks,
Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity to sit
Speaker 1: down with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, I
Speaker 1: am always thrilled and pleased. And Jonathan, I want to
Speaker 1: start off today's conversation with what the NAACP has issued
Speaker 1: over the last couple of days, which is a warning
Speaker 1: to black travelers. It is a warning to anyone that
Speaker 1: is from a marginalized community, namely LGBTQ people and black people,
Speaker 1: that Florida is a dangerous place for you to be
Speaker 1: traveling too, that you need to be aware of the
Speaker 1: rules and your rights before you travel to this state. Now,
Speaker 1: in real response to that, you had the likes of
Speaker 1: Ted Cruz say that Martin Luther King would be, you know,
Speaker 1: disappointed with who the NAACP is. And then funny enough,
Speaker 1: you had academic historians bring receipts that offered that Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King called for a similar warning or ban of
Speaker 1: Alabama in nineteen sixty five because of its rise in
Speaker 1: white domestic terrorism. So I want to get your first
Speaker 1: year reactions to what is very much a symbolic move,
Speaker 1: but is one that hasn't taken place in the twenty
Speaker 1: first century.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting. It follows up on the conversation that
Speaker 2: you and I had last week, actually, which is there's
Speaker 2: so much violence happening right now on every level, physical violence,
Speaker 2: emotional violence, racial violence. And the question is what's the
Speaker 2: response to it. And our conversation lest week for people
Speaker 2: who didn't catch it, it's like, what do you boycott
Speaker 2: and step back or do you step forward? And what's
Speaker 2: the value of a boycott? And what we talked about
Speaker 2: last week, I'll just repeat what I said, which is
Speaker 2: that my concern is that we end up boycotting too much,
Speaker 2: and the boycotts are too diffuse and they don't have
Speaker 2: the impact that they that they may have had. And
Speaker 2: so before we get to Florida, I just want to
Speaker 2: say that I still think that's the question.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: Do you quit Twitter or do you step forward and
Speaker 2: have everybody you know go on Twitter and try to
Speaker 2: drown out the other voices? Which is hard, But I
Speaker 2: guess the issue is, and we talked about this last week,
Speaker 2: is it better to be present and fighting back or
Speaker 2: is it to be to be stepping back and saying whatever?
Speaker 2: And my concern from a financial perspective, and I think
Speaker 2: Twitter is a good example that boycotts in this social
Speaker 2: media age don't just don't. If there are too many
Speaker 2: of them happening, they don't have the effect. And sometimes
Speaker 2: the impulse to step back should be balanced against an
Speaker 2: impulse to step forward. I mean, what if every liberal
Speaker 2: person today got a blue check on Twitter and started
Speaker 2: blasting tweets again and stuff like that, like started flooding
Speaker 2: the zone. You know, it's it's a strategy, you know,
Speaker 2: do do we do we just go somewhere else? Or
Speaker 2: do we step forward and and and both are both
Speaker 2: are forms of resistance, both are forms of fighting. But
Speaker 2: my concern again is that there's that you end up
Speaker 2: in a position where it's it's easy to counter and
Speaker 2: you're just limiting your voice. And I've seen this in
Speaker 2: many instances. I mean, we could debate other place boycotts,
Speaker 2: you know, bds being one of them, and other other
Speaker 2: kinds of boycotts, and I just think you really have
Speaker 2: to really strategically, first of all, pick your battles. And
Speaker 2: then second there's a just in this era, which there was,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I should probably know this,
Speaker 2: but I don't know in the Martin Luther King era
Speaker 2: where there are counter boycotts of blue states and things
Speaker 2: like that. But I know in this era, with social
Speaker 2: media and everything like that, the strategy of boycott is
Speaker 2: very easily countered by boycotting bud Light or boycotting New York,
Speaker 2: or boycotting any kind of blue state thing. And so
Speaker 2: for these reasons you can hear my voice. I'm concerned
Speaker 2: about this as a strategy just because it might not
Speaker 2: have the effect it that it seems like it would have,
Speaker 2: even though it makes it makes a lot of emotional sense.
Speaker 2: But what would a massive right wing boycott of New
Speaker 2: York look like or something like that.
Speaker 1: I would love it. I would love it. Stay away,
Speaker 1: you know, it would make Times Square so much more,
Speaker 1: a bit like easy, easy manage everything was right, So
Speaker 1: stay away. We're making we we spend enough money and
Speaker 1: do enoughing as New York is here to sustain New York.
Speaker 1: But no, let's I mean, let's unpack the Twitter example, right,
Speaker 1: because I think that this is one that people much
Speaker 1: like us, people like us who use Twitter for work,
Speaker 1: use Twitter to amplify our our work and messages of
Speaker 1: our colleagues, and whether or not to stay on right.
Speaker 1: And I think that each of us vacillate between I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave this place's as cesspool, I'm going to stay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to fight, and I honestly, Jonathan, for me,
Speaker 1: it comes down to self care right where I announced
Speaker 1: this earlier this week that I'm going to take a
Speaker 1: break from Twitter for the month of June. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like being being like lauded with anti LGBT, anti black,
Speaker 1: like just anti equality justice, all of these things in
Speaker 1: the month of June, which is Pride Month. As a
Speaker 1: black queer woman, you will see me go on there
Speaker 1: and post. But will I stay and like be in
Speaker 1: conversation with folks. No, I'm not gonna do that because
Speaker 1: my emotional wellbeing deserves a break. And I think that
Speaker 1: what we are finding is that more people are finding
Speaker 1: themselves not just abandoning the platform altogether, but taking longer
Speaker 1: breaks from the platform because it's not it doesn't have
Speaker 1: the same utility it did, right, I mean, you talk
Speaker 1: to me about this about you know, I don't understand
Speaker 1: this tweet has you know, fifty retweets and a six
Speaker 1: months ago it would have had one hundred and fifty retweets, right,
Speaker 1: And you know, and I also know the issue with
Speaker 1: leaving the platform in that way and the algorithms that
Speaker 1: are already working against you. But again, it's like how
Speaker 1: long can you stay in a space and in a
Speaker 1: place that is incredibly hostile, that is incredibly violent and
Speaker 1: think that you are actually doing something good to move
Speaker 1: the needle forward?
Speaker 2: Right? And to be clear, I mean, self care should
Speaker 2: come first, for sure, And my concern is not to dictate.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't have an answer to this. I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, as I said before, like my concern is
Speaker 2: that we do so much stepping back, and then what's
Speaker 2: our strategy for the twenty twenty four election when we
Speaker 2: really need to Now there's no doubt, there's no doubt
Speaker 2: that the algorithms of Twitter have been turned against us this.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're a liberal on Twitter, you see
Speaker 2: it happen, and that the platform is monetizing Tucker Carlson
Speaker 2: and the Dasantis announcement and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But I guess the question is then what's our what's
Speaker 2: our counter strategy? And I don't know, I'm not a
Speaker 2: tech person. Is our counter strategy to stay in a
Speaker 2: place where we can argue back against people? But it's
Speaker 2: not just about arguing back against people. It's also, of
Speaker 2: course the role of mobilizing, mobilizing those numbers of people.
Speaker 2: And there's just for me, a cautionary tale and all
Speaker 2: this stuff with Twitter, because remember we were all the
Speaker 2: people who were like cheering when Elon Musk was like
Speaker 2: trying to back out, and we were like, you know,
Speaker 2: don't you know you got to buy it, sucker and
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. We were probably mistaken about that,
Speaker 2: but also we you know, we've we there was a
Speaker 2: vacuum created, which is on purpose that that's obviously his strategy.
Speaker 2: But the vacuum was he lost a lot of liberals
Speaker 2: and he's gaining an awful lot of conservatives. And so
Speaker 2: now the megaphone for this huge public square has been
Speaker 2: just seized by the other side. And and I guess
Speaker 2: the question is, like, what's the lesson in that? And
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm asking that question. I really truly
Speaker 2: don't know. But my concern is again leading into twenty four.
Speaker 2: If our answer is an app with much smaller reach,
Speaker 2: which only speaks to people who already agree with us,
Speaker 2: who are already going to vote for people we want
Speaker 2: them to do, we kind of lose what Twitter once
Speaker 2: once offered us. And so I'm not sure. I mean,
Speaker 2: I go back and forth the most.
Speaker 1: You know, in all honesty, and I've said this before,
Speaker 1: I believe that people are going to do what they
Speaker 1: have always done throughout the history of organizing, which is
Speaker 1: you cannot just rely on social media platforms that you
Speaker 1: do not own right to be those unless they were
Speaker 1: in less Congress were to have turned Facebook and Twitter
Speaker 1: into a public utility, right and then have the power
Speaker 1: over it in the way that they could have. You
Speaker 1: as an organizer, cannot just rely on tools that you
Speaker 1: don't own, right in order in order to fight the oppressor.
Speaker 1: That just doesn't make any sense. And so you're going
Speaker 1: to have to do what folks are doing in Georgia,
Speaker 1: what folks did in Alabama, what folks did in Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: is use the original organizing tools, which is of gathering
Speaker 1: people together, right, which is of knocking on doors and
Speaker 1: going to town halls and creating those opportunities for people
Speaker 1: to connect in real life. Because it's harder to threaten
Speaker 1: somebody's life and curse them out face to face than
Speaker 1: it is on you know, on the social media apps.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think that it is a
Speaker 1: both and I think that it is lazy to solely
Speaker 1: rely on social media platforms that you don't own in
Speaker 1: order to get your message out. It's why the rest
Speaker 1: of us have had to diversify. Okay, well, we used
Speaker 1: to use Facebook, and then Facebook, you know, is not
Speaker 1: that is not that tool, and then it was then
Speaker 1: it's Instagram, and then it's Vine, and then it was this,
Speaker 1: and then it was that. It's like, there is a
Speaker 1: level of adaptability. But I think that the lesson here
Speaker 1: is that you cannot get too comfortable in places that
Speaker 1: you do not own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, So maybe we need to own more stuff, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, so I mean that maybe that's the lesson
Speaker 2: is like, you know, we should have on Twitter, you know,
Speaker 2: But I mean I think that's that's fair, is like,
Speaker 2: how can we own more stuff? I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: I think there are two caveats to that that I'll
Speaker 2: just throw in. Number one is it's not just about
Speaker 2: amplifying your message. It's also what's the validity of the
Speaker 2: stuff you're hearing, Like is the are the right wing
Speaker 2: boycotts working now or are they just being amplified by
Speaker 2: social media? It's hard to know all these other stories.
Speaker 2: Is DeSantis a real candidate or is he just being
Speaker 2: boosted now by Twitter? And so it's not just about
Speaker 2: your own message, It's like what else is being amplified
Speaker 2: beyond you know, what's real and what's being amplified by
Speaker 2: social media. So there's a kind of way of listening
Speaker 2: that you have to do also, not just about your
Speaker 2: own message. And then second is I do think there's
Speaker 2: something And I say this with a heavy heart because
Speaker 2: I just want to be honest, I love bud Light.
Speaker 2: Bud Light has been there for me at times in
Speaker 2: my life. Bud Light never wanted to hurt anybody. It
Speaker 2: just wanted to make everybody happy. Bud Light is like boycotting,
Speaker 2: like your family pet. But the right wing boycotted bud
Speaker 2: Light over I mean, the idiocy of that boycott is
Speaker 2: should be stated, right, which is that advertising is targeted.
Speaker 2: That's how advertising works. So different communities get advertised to
Speaker 2: by influencers who matter to them. And so if there's
Speaker 2: a transactivist who has two million followers, the trans community
Speaker 2: is going to be seeing ads from them. But the
Speaker 2: people who are doing country music in rural Georgia are
Speaker 2: not going to be seeing the trans activist. They're going
Speaker 2: to be seeing a country music star and stuff like that. Like,
Speaker 2: advertising is targeted toward your community. So this idea that
Speaker 2: like trans stuff was being shoved down on people's throats
Speaker 2: is not how advertising works. But that being a side,
Speaker 2: I do think there's something important about this bud Light boycott,
Speaker 2: which is it did actually have an effect beyond what
Speaker 2: anybody thought. And so I think, you know, the interesting
Speaker 2: thing for me is that that's usually a strategy of
Speaker 2: the left, these kind of boycotts and protests, and I
Speaker 2: bet we see more of this on the right.
Speaker 1: I mean, but we've seen it. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this is Their boycotts look like bands, right, Like their
Speaker 1: boycotts look like Oh one parent in Miami Dade County
Speaker 1: has said that they don't they don't like a poem
Speaker 1: of a Pulitzer Prize winner, and so that poem is
Speaker 1: now taken right, Amanda Gorman's poem that was read at
Speaker 1: inauguration is now taken out of an elementary school. It
Speaker 1: looked they have been like, this is not new. None
Speaker 1: of this is new, right it is. It is not.
Speaker 1: Boycotts are not employed by one side or the other.
Speaker 1: It is effective based on the amount of public pressure
Speaker 1: and or acceptance. You just saw the Dodgers turn around
Speaker 1: after being pressured by to disinvite a LGBTQ of organization
Speaker 1: from like I guess their parade or their game or
Speaker 1: like whatever. And now they were pressured by the right
Speaker 1: to do that. Then there was all of this blowback,
Speaker 1: and now they have reinvited the people right because again
Speaker 1: the public, the public pressure on the right side of
Speaker 1: history outweighed the detractors. You know, there was somebody that
Speaker 1: put up and said, you know, when you go back
Speaker 1: in time, how thirty percent of the country was for segregation,
Speaker 1: was against integration, was for like you know, didn't care
Speaker 1: about the assassination of MLK, was for you know, was
Speaker 1: against women voting, Like it's always thirty percent. And so
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes we get caught up in what
Speaker 1: we are currently facing and not really understanding the historical
Speaker 1: context of it as a way to be our guide,
Speaker 1: not just like our woe is me, Yeah, it fucking
Speaker 1: sucks where we are, but like we cannot woe is
Speaker 1: me ourselves about all the ways in which they're employing
Speaker 1: the same tactics they've been employing since people have tried
Speaker 1: to get their rights right from the hands of slave owners.
Speaker 2: And I'll admit, like I'm certainly probably playing the role
Speaker 2: of the white street man this morning.
Speaker 1: You know, do you play a different role.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like I'm I'm like remember Ed McMahon,
Speaker 2: like in the old days, like you know, he would
Speaker 2: just be like throwing the stuff in. So I'm gladly
Speaker 2: Ed McMahon this morning. I accept that, But I will
Speaker 2: say I think there was something about this corporate boycott,
Speaker 2: this bud Light boycott, that was different for me at
Speaker 2: least than a band. I crew through with a band,
Speaker 2: a band. Like there was a great story in the
Speaker 2: Post or Times yesterday about how like ninety percent of
Speaker 2: all the social media posts about the book bands were
Speaker 2: coming from like twelve accounts, right, that were amplified accounts.
Speaker 2: So that's a place where social media we can see
Speaker 2: like everybody wasn't for a bookman, most people aren't for
Speaker 2: a book, aren't for a book ban, but these twelve
Speaker 2: accounts like amplified it. And so the question is how
Speaker 2: do you counter that strategy? Right? And so it's really
Speaker 2: I think what's our counter strategy when that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff happens. But I do think there was something about this,
Speaker 2: I will say I do think there was something about
Speaker 2: this bud Light band, whether or not it goes anywhere,
Speaker 2: that was different from a band in that it mobilized
Speaker 2: a bunch of people to turn on something that was
Speaker 2: seen as like an everyday part of their life, like
Speaker 2: light beer is. I don't know, I play a lot
Speaker 2: of sports. Light beer is like it's like second to
Speaker 2: like putting on your shoes for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: as far as how important it is in sports, and
Speaker 2: so the idea that they could kind of get everybody
Speaker 2: to participate in this, I think is something that will
Speaker 2: get corporate America to pay attention, maybe in a different
Speaker 2: way or maybe not. But but but but so I
Speaker 2: just want to say that I think there are two
Speaker 2: strategies that are different, but they kind of all link
Speaker 2: back to our bigger question which you started with, which
Speaker 2: is kind of so, what do we make of Florida. Well,
Speaker 2: of course, what's happening in Florida is horrific. It's it's
Speaker 2: important that people take a stand. This band is important
Speaker 2: for having conversations. Of course, there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people who are impacted by what's happening in Florida who
Speaker 2: are not white, and it's terrifying what's happening. And so
Speaker 2: I'd be curious to see how this plays out. I
Speaker 2: think it's important they did it. Of course I support it.
Speaker 2: The danger of boycotts I've seen like having I know
Speaker 2: the BDS boycott really well, and it was like a
Speaker 2: very important and noble cause. And the unintended effect, or
Speaker 2: maybe the intended effect of what happened in BDS is
Speaker 2: that there were a lot of anti Zionist pro Palestinian
Speaker 2: Israelis and Israeli Israelis of Arab descent who were who
Speaker 2: were also affected by this band. They got like isolated
Speaker 2: from international communities. And so I think that these bands,
Speaker 2: it's just important to also some support communities of color
Speaker 2: in Florida who. I think that's the lesson of other
Speaker 2: bands is if this is going to happen, I think
Speaker 2: it shouldn't just be like we're going to not go
Speaker 2: and never visit Florida. It's also like, how can we
Speaker 2: support Latino, African American liberal all the communities that are
Speaker 2: being oppressed Disneyland.
Speaker 1: But I think to your point that is totally right,
Speaker 1: is that it's not enough not to It's not enough
Speaker 1: to just say I'm not going to go to this place, right,
Speaker 1: because there are people that do have to go to
Speaker 1: that place for work for different reasons. But it's the
Speaker 1: other side is how are you helping those that cannot flee, right,
Speaker 1: those that are actually on the ground and fighting, support
Speaker 1: their efforts in their internal fight. And I think that
Speaker 1: that is the counterbalance, right. It is like, yes, I
Speaker 1: don't want to give money to this state, but if
Speaker 1: I'm going to actually want to send a message that
Speaker 1: I want to help the fundraising for a Quality Florida,
Speaker 1: for the NAACP chapter in Florida, for you know, undocumented
Speaker 1: immigrant workers in Florida, Like how am I and politicians,
Speaker 1: how are we doing that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So I think that has to be because
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so weird to like boycott in
Speaker 2: this day and age, boycott states in your own country.
Speaker 2: It's like, how the hell did we get here? It's
Speaker 2: really depressing. But I just think that in a way,
Speaker 2: it also leads to a doubling down. I mean, there
Speaker 2: are a lot of important people fighting the fight from
Speaker 2: Nikki Fried on downstill and all these people who really
Speaker 2: need help. So I just think checking out on Florida Now,
Speaker 2: I would love a Disneyland Times Square, like you know
Speaker 2: they're if they're not going to do that, like come
Speaker 2: on here to.
Speaker 1: Trying to make more traffic and more.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: We need Disneyland Times Square, lord, we need more people.
Speaker 2: You know, we serve at Disneyland Times Square, bud Light
Speaker 2: and everybody coming here. But no, New York needs revenue, man,
Speaker 2: New York needs people. We've lost way too many people
Speaker 2: for the pandemic and so yeah, come here, mickey mouse,
Speaker 2: and but but but again, I just think I just
Speaker 2: think it's it's easy to just say, oh, I'm not
Speaker 2: supporting that, and it's so important. Really, it's got to
Speaker 2: be I don't know, it's time for both and both
Speaker 2: it's time for liberals to like be capitalist right now
Speaker 2: now honestly, and like, how can we invest in things
Speaker 2: like we just cannot We're you know, how can we meaningfully, meaningfully,
Speaker 2: meaningfully support people in Florida and now people in every
Speaker 2: place else that I mean, we can talk next week
Speaker 2: about what's happening in Tennessee since all the stuff happened,
Speaker 2: but you know, there was a lot of attention in Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and now much worse stuff is happening in Tennessee. People
Speaker 2: in Texas need support. So it's just, you know, we can't.
Speaker 2: There was a fantasy before that we could just say, oh,
Speaker 2: all the stuff in the South is happening down there,
Speaker 2: but what's happening in the South is happening everywhere, and
Speaker 2: so it's really like, I mean, thankfully that they you
Speaker 2: see that ten Commandments bill in Texas that they were
Speaker 2: going to have to hang at ten Commandments.
Speaker 1: And yeah at cools.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was excited because I have a poster
Speaker 2: from mel Brooks History of the World of he did
Speaker 2: the Fifteen Commandments. It was hilarious when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I've a poster of mel Brooks with the Fifteen Commandments
Speaker 2: and I was going to hang that. But I just think,
Speaker 2: right now is the time to like, how can we invest,
Speaker 2: how can we own things, how can we create a
Speaker 2: counterbalance to really what's happening right now, which is that
Speaker 2: these platforms are turning against us.
Speaker 1: Let's remember that. For next week we'll talk about the
Speaker 1: capitalistic resistance and what that actually what that actually can
Speaker 1: look like. Jonathan as always friend, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for making the time for wokaf and these really important
Speaker 1: conversations that I know people are having with themselves, with
Speaker 1: their friends, with their colleagues, and it's important that we
Speaker 1: have them on woka app. So we appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Take care everybody.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on woka app.
Speaker 1: As always, power to the people and to all the people. Power,
Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.