Speaker 1: I want to talk about rich bitch and how how
Speaker 1: that's changed. Are you, Like I said, it's fifteen years
Speaker 1: almost fifteen years later, but are you more frugal now
Speaker 1: that we are thinking about different things. You're thinking about
Speaker 1: your kids and retirement and work and money was flowing differently?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Are you more frugal now?
Speaker 2: When I said the word rich bitch back then, oh listen,
Speaker 2: everybody is saying rich beace Today it is freaking popular.
Speaker 2: I said. It's all over Instagram. Everything that I say
Speaker 2: is all over Instagram. People are loving it. There's a
Speaker 2: whole rap song about being a rich bitch. There's a
Speaker 2: rap song about I said what I said, everything that
Speaker 2: I've said, there's like songs everywhere about it. Back then,
Speaker 2: I said it then, and I'll say it now. Rich
Speaker 2: means something different to everybody, right And then I said,
Speaker 2: and I said today I said, I am rich in health,
Speaker 2: I am rich and nice spirit and all those things.
Speaker 2: That is my richness. I don't know what your richness is.
Speaker 2: It could be whatever you want it to be. But
Speaker 2: so I feel like the pandemic taught me a lot
Speaker 2: and I definitely scale back in a lot of areas
Speaker 2: that aren't necessary lean Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I
Speaker 2: think as you get older too, you don't need all
Speaker 2: those things anymore. Like before you thought you needed four cars,
Speaker 2: you need a sports car, you need the suv, kids,
Speaker 2: you needed the you know, the nice car. Y'all go
Speaker 2: out on dates. And I think as you get older,
Speaker 2: you're like, girl, I don't need that car in the morning.
Speaker 2: The kids is going on this, they don't drive that.
Speaker 2: We can get rid of that now. I don't need
Speaker 2: all these overheads. I don't need all these things. So
Speaker 2: I think, you know, as we were talking, I think
Speaker 2: you kind of chimed a little bit. We talked about
Speaker 2: shoes and bags and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And you pick your spots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Larsa was saying that she is under her means,
Speaker 2: and she was asking me actually about Kim Zosiac and
Speaker 2: she asked me, had I talked to her and that
Speaker 2: kind of thing in which I have, And she was,
Speaker 2: you know, asking, you know, about spending, and we kind
Speaker 2: of talked about spending.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I met Kim years ago, and I
Speaker 1: always liked her as a character, and I loved you
Speaker 1: guys together.
Speaker 2: I remember a whole thing with you once it was
Speaker 2: me and Kim, and I think it was like a
Speaker 2: Bravo con type of thing. And when the audience SA
Speaker 2: cam just she had on all her stuff, you were
Speaker 2: really tripping out.
Speaker 1: Wait why wait, wait do you mind?
Speaker 2: I just remember you were lavy like that. They Kim,
Speaker 2: you know, comes in, Oh you.
Speaker 1: Guys were close then, yes, from the show, and she
Speaker 1: came in and I was like fascinated by her.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always liked her and I always liked her
Speaker 1: as a character. And sometimes like two things can happen
Speaker 1: at the same time. I can like her, and I
Speaker 1: can say something about what the hell she and Kroy
Speaker 1: seemed to be doing, and then I feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: I hope she's not mad at me, even though I
Speaker 1: don't even know her. But I said, like, pay your bill,
Speaker 1: like pay your bills, like that's that's something I feel
Speaker 1: And not everybody can pay their bills, but I I
Speaker 1: feel like it enrages people if you're having challenges paying
Speaker 1: bills and then you're also really flaunting lucks goods, like
Speaker 1: it's the combination. It's not that I would ever criticize
Speaker 1: someone for not for getting into a jam or not
Speaker 1: being good at managing money, but they were so about
Speaker 1: the show of the Money, which is also Bravo and
Speaker 1: is also a little rich bitch.
Speaker 2: But yes, some of those girls were saying lastly at
Speaker 2: the table, I think the shows make you feel, you know,
Speaker 2: like you you know what I mean, like you have
Speaker 2: to have a nice bag, and you have to have
Speaker 2: nice shoes, and you have to drive a nice car,
Speaker 2: and you know, you have to buy a nice house.
Speaker 1: But that's why I'm saying it to you, and I'm
Speaker 1: digging it out of you because when you said rich
Speaker 1: bitch looking at an apartment in Florida, you did not
Speaker 1: mean your health. And you want people you wanted to
Speaker 1: appear rich, because that's.
Speaker 2: What this is. No, I was in an argument with.
Speaker 1: Someone, right, But don't you think that like this genre
Speaker 1: makes it that to this point of Kim, you want
Speaker 1: to you're keeping up with the people on the show,
Speaker 1: like you're not going to be like I said, Denise
Speaker 1: Richards walked out with no makeup on a balcony and
Speaker 1: people were wearing ball gowns.
Speaker 2: Was the girl on the show that's that said all
Speaker 2: the one liners? That was my thing, you know, to
Speaker 2: say one liner. So, and I was in an argument
Speaker 2: with someone and I shot a one liner off and
Speaker 2: just to shove it up as of course, right, yeah, fair,
Speaker 2: And that's just what it was. It wasn't anything else.
Speaker 2: It didn't mean that I was rich, you know better then, yeah,
Speaker 2: better than anyone else I was. I was in an argument.
Speaker 2: And when you are in an argument with someone, especially
Speaker 2: like on these shows, I mean, you are shooting.
Speaker 1: Them, right, No exactly, you're not killing Okay, so Kim,
Speaker 1: but she was off the show and still very much
Speaker 1: living that lifestyle. I think it maybe is an addiction.
Speaker 1: You just don't really the money doesn't seem real.
Speaker 2: Well, some of us are very different now. The way
Speaker 2: Kim live and the way I live is just two
Speaker 2: different things. And also some girls, you know, have a
Speaker 2: bigger spending habit. I see girls that are wearing labels
Speaker 2: from head to toe all day, every day, every shoot
Speaker 2: that comes out, every bag, every dress, everywhere, and that
Speaker 2: stuff is expensive and at some point, I mean.
Speaker 1: Or not even that's not even if it catches up,
Speaker 1: it's just is it necessary. I don't know. Do you
Speaker 1: do I give off I'm do I give off that
Speaker 1: I'm frugal at all to you? Or you think I
Speaker 1: just buy every single thing? No, you give me frugal, right,
Speaker 1: I've got a combo. Like, I've got a lot of
Speaker 1: insane collectible things. But everything I purchase has some investment level.
Speaker 1: Even if it's a house, I may be able to
Speaker 1: flip it, or if I go broke, I know that
Speaker 1: it's going to flip.
Speaker 2: And I design it in a way.
Speaker 1: I'm like, even if it's a car, I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: it's collectibility. If it's a bag, like I don't buy
Speaker 1: a bag in one of those brands that doesn't resell.
Speaker 1: I have to just know that it feels like it's
Speaker 1: a business investment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel you. I don't get the feeling from
Speaker 2: you that you're the girl that's always walking dripping in
Speaker 2: all of the designer pieces. Like myself. I have designer pieces,
Speaker 2: but I shop at all levels same.
Speaker 1: And I don't care about that much because I feel
Speaker 1: like the dress I wore I bought years ago. It's
Speaker 1: been sitting in the closet adulce. I'm sure I bought
Speaker 1: it on sale, but like, I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: current right now, if it's tomorrow, if it's yes either.
Speaker 2: I feel like you know, I was on fashion Police.
Speaker 2: We have these conversations all the time. So I think
Speaker 2: as a smart shopper and a girl who likes designer,
Speaker 2: you buy some of the pieces that are trending right now.
Speaker 2: But then you also go to the outlets. And there's
Speaker 2: some great outlets. I love them. Oh my god, they
Speaker 2: have great Gucci outless and pisacciatless and all these things.
Speaker 2: I go to one in Sawgrass, just right outside of Miami,
Speaker 2: and they have everything. And so you go and buy
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that was once in the major
Speaker 2: department stores. They have slashed it seventy five percent off
Speaker 2: and you mix it in with some of the current things.
Speaker 2: And so you do that, and you also buy timeless pieces,
Speaker 2: pieces that you can wear again and again and again.
Speaker 2: And you know, if you buy things that are very trendy,
Speaker 2: that's gonna go out season after season. So I like
Speaker 2: to try to buy things that you can wear again
Speaker 2: and again and again.
Speaker 1: Well, I also, I think fashion has gotten really pretentious,
Speaker 1: and I think many of the house was they think
Speaker 1: head to toe and gsf's ABCDS that that's fashion. And
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, I've listened to what Tom Ford
Speaker 1: doesn't like when someone wears his look head to toe,
Speaker 1: like that they saw it on the runway, likely because
Speaker 1: it's not lacks creativity. You don't have your own personal style.
Speaker 1: And Anna Wintour, you know, has said that when someone
Speaker 1: has their own style, they're not dressing the way that
Speaker 1: they think she would want them to dress. And I
Speaker 1: think that Yet, many people that are known to be
Speaker 1: these fashion icons are people that someone is dressing. So
Speaker 1: they have a stylist who's dressing choosing it all for them.
Speaker 1: It doesn't how do we know that that's their personal style?
Speaker 2: See, they don't have a stylust and I think that's
Speaker 2: the same. I feel like people who have stylists, they
Speaker 2: don't know their body type. I feel like if you
Speaker 2: know your body type, you don't need a stilist. Now
Speaker 2: you can use the stylus for big events like red
Speaker 2: carpet events or some major events. But I don't feel
Speaker 2: like you have to always. I know my style. I
Speaker 2: know my style better than any stylist. I think I
Speaker 2: had a size that just came in and just knew
Speaker 2: my style, that really got my body type and knew
Speaker 2: how I wanted to rocket. I'm sure there's some good
Speaker 2: stylists out.
Speaker 1: There, no amazing and got.
Speaker 2: One that to me, they just really got my style.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny that you say that. And also I
Speaker 1: don't borrow.
Speaker 2: I buy.
Speaker 1: I just I don't like i've my friend runs Oscar
Speaker 1: to Lorna.
Speaker 2: They're always like, I never had the opportunity to borrow.
Speaker 1: I borrowed only for the MTV Awards because it came
Speaker 1: so late, because I think it was really Andy Cohen's
Speaker 1: award that they were giving me that I went to
Speaker 1: accept because it's all who cares? So I borrowed last minute.
Speaker 1: But like he'll say to me, oh, if you want
Speaker 1: to borrow something, I don't know why. It's like I
Speaker 1: want to own, Like I'm not a test drive. I
Speaker 1: don't a test drive. A man, I want to know where.
Speaker 2: I just never had the opportunity to borrow. You could
Speaker 2: definitely borrow stuff I've never induced you. If you want
Speaker 2: the opportunity, I'll introduce you. I purchased everything.
Speaker 1: I like to purchase. I like to have it. So
Speaker 1: the things that the things that I think someone asked about,
Speaker 1: and I realized when I left people wanted to know
Speaker 1: what happened with Ryan Murphy. You guys were close and
Speaker 1: you did clee and then was he was the new
Speaker 1: normal too. He didn't. Yeah, yeah, So do you speak anymore?
Speaker 1: Did you speak after that? I feel like there was
Speaker 1: something about that that people wanted to know that I
Speaker 1: didn't ask you.
Speaker 2: There was never anything. We've never had any issue, never anything.
Speaker 1: People think that.
Speaker 2: I've never knew anyone thought anything.
Speaker 1: They do. A couple of people asked me they thought that,
Speaker 1: like you guys stopped speaking to each other. Oh, never, amazing.
Speaker 2: We never had a conflict. We never had an issue.
Speaker 2: We never had an argument. We never even had a
Speaker 2: loud talking to each other. We never had anything. He
Speaker 2: only was you know, those were the two shows that
Speaker 2: I did, and he was the creator of those shows,
Speaker 2: and that was it.
Speaker 1: But why don't you call him to see if you
Speaker 1: could act and one to go?
Speaker 2: I don't think he even has the same phone.
Speaker 1: Number, honestly, I can't. Even.
Speaker 2: Last time I saw him he was getting his start
Speaker 2: on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, Okay, and he is
Speaker 2: his team or whoever emailed me to come to Las
Speaker 2: Angels to see him do it? And I did. And no,
Speaker 2: we've never had any issue at all.
Speaker 1: All Right, Well, let's put that out into the universe.
Speaker 1: You and Ryan Murphy should work together again. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then some people asked about the comment. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was with Carlos King. You said you should
Speaker 1: have been his big as Kim Kardashian, who you said
Speaker 1: you knew. I didn't even know you knew.
Speaker 2: I didn't know her. I feel like I should have
Speaker 2: been as if equal. So okay, so listen, the three
Speaker 2: biggest reality starts. This is my opinion, Okay, I would
Speaker 2: say would be and all of us rolled out around
Speaker 2: the same time. In fact, New York come out. No
Speaker 2: New York came out after Atlanta, no first okay.
Speaker 1: So before or after Atlanta after it? So it was
Speaker 1: it was Orange County, New York, Atlanta, Jersey.
Speaker 2: So I would think the biggest players were Kim Kardashian, myself,
Speaker 2: and you, okay. And out of the three of us,
Speaker 2: I am the black female. And I'm just speaking my
Speaker 2: mind right here, okay, because you know I don't use
Speaker 2: the sugar coat thing, and so I feel like, yes,
Speaker 2: I should have been just as big as Kim. I
Speaker 2: was on Kim Kardashian's game that she had when she
Speaker 2: first started. She had some kind of game that was out.
Speaker 2: I was one of the people on her game. Clearly,
Speaker 2: my pay wasn't what it should have been. I was
Speaker 2: at her baby shower with North when she had her
Speaker 2: her baby. I had all these things I was saying,
Speaker 2: and I was just saying all these one liners and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And Kim even started using or selling
Speaker 2: one of the things that I was saying, which was bloop.
Speaker 2: She started selling that particular. She had these words or
Speaker 2: these emojis of herself at one point, many many, many
Speaker 2: many remember yeah and uh and and I was saying blue.
Speaker 2: Of course, I said blue was my thing. And then
Speaker 2: she made an emoji that said bloop. And I think
Speaker 2: people would pay for it or it was on our
Speaker 2: iOS phones and things like that. And I do feel
Speaker 2: like I should have been as big as Kim. I
Speaker 2: feel like she had a machine behind her pushing her.
Speaker 2: And as you stated, yeah, you were on New Normal,
Speaker 2: you were on Glee and all those things. It's a
Speaker 2: lot I could say about those things. I just won't
Speaker 2: say them here today because it's not going to be
Speaker 2: the platform for that. However, that is my feeling and
Speaker 2: I'm going to stick to it. It won't be changing.
Speaker 1: Okay, you said what you said.
Speaker 2: We're good and I said again, you said.
Speaker 1: Brennan and I did that one. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: said what I said.
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like that, And some people look at
Speaker 2: us and say things like, well, you had the same
Speaker 2: twenty four hours and three hundred and sixty five days
Speaker 2: that Kim had. Our situation was absolutely different. On the
Speaker 2: kardash In show, I personally feel like they the show
Speaker 2: opens up and that's all they do is talk about
Speaker 2: their brands and all these things that they have going on,
Speaker 2: my lipstick line, my you know whatever, my Wiste cinchures
Speaker 2: or whatever they're Then they're eating their salad and eating
Speaker 2: their sushi. And I think on the Housewives show, where
Speaker 2: we're on, I feel like it's not rolled out the same.
Speaker 2: Our things are done to bash your brand. So you
Speaker 2: come to the rollout of for instance, Kenya's hair product
Speaker 2: and the girls, they send the girls in there to
Speaker 2: talk about it. Oh, the product isn't good, or there's
Speaker 2: no shampoo in the bottle, it's only water in the bottle,
Speaker 2: and so the viewers are watching this, so it's not
Speaker 2: helping your brand.
Speaker 1: No, Jill Zarren Ramona came in and trashed Kodak. Jill
Speaker 1: had that relationship but it was very bad. Well, couple
Speaker 1: of things. One is that's the whole family, and so
Speaker 1: they're all famous, and I feel like that all boats
Speaker 1: rise at the tide. They all push each other up,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of they're kind of too big to
Speaker 1: fail because there's so many. I also think they've got
Speaker 1: Chris the powerhouse running that show, and she's protecting that realm.
Speaker 1: And they self produce that show, so they're producing it
Speaker 1: themselves to promote. It's a show that wasn't even doing
Speaker 1: as well later on, but it didn't matter because you're
Speaker 1: promoting those products. And I'll tell you some inside tea
Speaker 1: is that my Skinny Girl's success the cocktail was before
Speaker 1: she always said she didn't drink. And the way that
Speaker 1: Skinny Girl started was a man reached out to me
Speaker 1: saying he reached out to my agent at the time, Brian,
Speaker 1: and said, I want to pay Kim Kardashian fifty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars to promote this product in the urban markets, is
Speaker 1: what he said. And Brian said to him, Kim Kardashian
Speaker 1: doesn't drink. Okay on the show. If you remember, there
Speaker 1: was one thing that used to talk about quicktrum, which
Speaker 1: also failed, And I want to talk about the fact
Speaker 1: that many people who are billionaires had many businesses that failed.
Speaker 1: You just discussed the games, like you got to kiss
Speaker 1: a lot of frogs to get to the prince. But
Speaker 1: so the guy, Brian calls back the guy and says, well,
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian doesn't drink, but I have this girl who
Speaker 1: has this idea skinny Girl, so I do my big deal.
Speaker 1: Skinny Girl is a huge success. Then Kim took a
Speaker 1: million dollars from Thedori and promoted cocktails even though she
Speaker 1: doesn't drink, because she wanted to cash in after what
Speaker 1: happened with me. And after that, after my Skinny Girl deal,
Speaker 1: that's when all those brands started coming into the Kardashians
Speaker 1: because Brian was doing the deals. I mean, there's the
Speaker 1: guy who represented me, so but they were all produced
Speaker 1: to succeed. No one on the Kardashians is going to
Speaker 1: allow someone mocking the brand to error to your point.
Speaker 2: For instance, I can use Charai for instance, she's been
Speaker 2: talking about she bought Charay for one hundred years. Every
Speaker 2: single event or fashion show she has it is just
Speaker 2: torn apart by all the cast members. So to me,
Speaker 2: it's like, you don't it's impossible to win, even me
Speaker 2: with any brand that I've ever had, or even me
Speaker 2: buying a brand new house. I bought a brand new
Speaker 2: house and they have all the casts to come over
Speaker 2: and see it. Then they all tear it apart and
Speaker 2: they have Kim to start calling me a roach or
Speaker 2: I got roaches in my house, and just all kinds
Speaker 2: of stuff like that. So I don't feel like it's
Speaker 2: the same. And I feel like, you know, the only
Speaker 2: machine that was behind me. I feel there was a
Speaker 2: machine to help the overall Housewives franchise that that was
Speaker 2: behind me, And that was the reason why I felt
Speaker 2: like I was on the New Normal or Glee or
Speaker 2: Broadway was to open up that door for Bravo once
Speaker 2: I was on Broadway. Do you see the rest of
Speaker 2: the Housewives going now after I was on Broadway? Because
Speaker 2: I opened that door and I was a great door opener.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, but we do. That's what Also,
Speaker 1: people say, this is how many years ago were on
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, And people say, now, oh, but without them,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be who you are today.
Speaker 2: And I feel like if they were without each other,
Speaker 2: that's how I I don't know about without them, but
Speaker 2: with each other because they needed me as much as
Speaker 2: I needed them. I, by the way, I.
Speaker 1: Feel the same way for similar reasons and some maybe
Speaker 1: even different. When I saw when I met Pi K,
Speaker 1: Dorrit's husband, with Kyle and Boyd. I don't know if
Speaker 1: boy George was there. I had dinner with Maurice, p
Speaker 1: K and Kyle at Cibriani, and p K said, I
Speaker 1: want Dorri to do it because I want her to
Speaker 1: have the kind of success you've had. I want her
Speaker 1: to do what you do. I don't think people like
Speaker 1: Eric Jane at the time, who was married to a wealthy,
Speaker 1: successful lawyer, were going on if people like me hadn't
Speaker 1: had that success. Every One a woman last night at
Speaker 1: the dinner, the woman who's not selling Sunset. She's like,
Speaker 1: I want to do what you did.
Speaker 2: Listen, every girl in Atlanta wants to be on Atlanta
Speaker 2: Housewives because of me. And I'm going to tell you
Speaker 2: that just exactly how I feel. Yeah, they all feel like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. So if Nini was able to get
Speaker 2: all this notoriety, then maybe we can too.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you said what you said first of all
Speaker 1: to everyone. Nina and I had a great time, and
Speaker 1: I've been talking to her about doing something for so long.
Speaker 1: I think you're just you just are a great speaker.
Speaker 1: I just think you're wildly entertaining, as I've said, and
Speaker 1: so I thought I was in la. I wanted her
Speaker 1: to come to this dinner, that we should sit down
Speaker 1: and just talk and go over a bunch of things
Speaker 1: and work together, like I think, just our different perspectives
Speaker 1: is something we wanted to do. So this is the
Speaker 1: easiest vehicle, so here we are. So I appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming in, and I appreciate your telling