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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle, a New York Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to an episode of the Giant Subtle podcast from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: My name is John Schmelck. We've had four two hour

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Speaker 1: versions of Big Blue Kickoff Live over the course of

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Speaker 1: this week. Make sure you go check them out either

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Speaker 1: giants dot Com. You can find the video format of

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Speaker 1: the shows there. I picked out an interview with Charles

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Speaker 1: Robinson from Friday's episode. We talked about what's going on

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Speaker 1: with NFL free agency, the c b A, and everything

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Speaker 1: else he's hearing at the NFL Combine and Indy. For

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Speaker 1: this week's edition of the podcast. Now, we're joined by

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Speaker 1: Charles Robinson, senior reporter for YAHOOP Sports. Charles, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I want to know, is it is

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Speaker 1: it better to be freezing cold like it is now

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Speaker 1: or was it better to be wet earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to fare. It was the rain

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Speaker 1: better or is the like I walked over here and

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Speaker 1: I was texting with the guy and he's asked me questions.

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Speaker 1: I I was like, dude, I gotta put my phone

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Speaker 1: in the pot. I'm dying. I gotta put my hands

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Speaker 1: and I fucking to get Let's start with this. No

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Speaker 1: one has a better NFL combined timeline on Twitter than

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Speaker 1: you do. You were the king of measurements. Why did

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Speaker 1: you start doing that and just had the whole thing

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Speaker 1: come about? Because because when I when I met your

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Speaker 1: NY measurements, I just go to Charles Robinson. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I apologize for killing your timeline. I've learned to try.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, if I could self contain

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Speaker 1: this between like eight and ten, I have fewer people

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Speaker 1: who like because I'll see like agents and like other

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Speaker 1: media people or whatever, and they'll be like, dude, you're

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Speaker 1: come on, man, like stop, you gotta stop what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: I like it. Actually, it was interesting a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago. Um, you know, I had I had someone

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Speaker 1: during um weights and measures, and I don't even remember

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Speaker 1: oh my god, He's like, man, Fournette looks great. And

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Speaker 1: I forget what Leonard he weighed in and it was

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty big you know, wait whatever, he looks great.

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Speaker 1: So I just kind of tweeted it out and you know,

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Speaker 1: it got a lot of traction. People are really excited

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Speaker 1: if you see anybody else notable, let me know. So

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Speaker 1: I kind of rolled that out there, and you know,

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Speaker 1: people seem to absorb it, and it wasn't you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't put out those weights and measures until late

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Speaker 1: just feed me the weights and measures as they come in.

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Speaker 1: It's something that other people don't have. And in the morning,

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Speaker 1: if they can get traction, people are excited to talk

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Speaker 1: about it. I thought maybe the NFL would be a

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Speaker 1: little more upset about it, you know, because this is

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Speaker 1: obviously getting released far earlier in their timeline, but in

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Speaker 1: a weird way, I've had people actually around the league

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Speaker 1: you sort of see the buzziness of some of these

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Speaker 1: guys that starts so early now in the morning. That's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I thought you found your way into the room. Someone's

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Speaker 1: talking about the weights and Measures, and one of them

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Speaker 1: surprised he doesn't try to scalp the seat. It's not

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Speaker 1: and kind of ask you a combo cb A free

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Speaker 1: But if and when that gets done, it may impact

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Speaker 1: the possibility of still having two tags, the franchise and

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Speaker 1: the transition or only having one tag. So, first off,

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Speaker 1: through the eyes of the Dallas Cowboys. They do think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna get done. And and the reason why I

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Speaker 1: you know Jerry Jerry Jones voted for this, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Dak Prescott deal, I just don't see the only

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Speaker 1: Well they could, and um, you know, I look, the

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Speaker 1: why honestly, salary cap you know, uh, individuals are at

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's ways to now create and make money

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Speaker 1: So I think not only you know, can they move

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Speaker 1: It is dependent again upon six percent growth the seventeen

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Speaker 1: So then the owner's end, they're like here's where ratings are. Um,

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Speaker 1: as good as one could say about Haskins when he

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Speaker 1: And the reason why that is is the guys who work,

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Speaker 1: so like, they get concerned when they see all these injuries.

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Speaker 1: So the first thing they want to ask Nick Saban

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be some questions he has to ask. There's

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Speaker 1: concerns about two. Uh, some teams really love him, but

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Speaker 1: then there's you know, there's definitely concerns about Charles. Fantastic information.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna book you for next year. So that's Charles Robinson,

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