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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm ocome stuff. I never told you Prodection of my

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Speaker 2: Heart Radio. And it is time once again for another

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Speaker 2: edition of Female First, which means we were once again

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Speaker 2: joined by the wondrous, whimsical Eves.

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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Eaves.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like I own like a candy factory somewhere. It

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Speaker 1: does like that.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because I had two other adjectives I was

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Speaker 2: going to describe you as, but my brain was like,

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Speaker 2: this is what we're going with, and it could be

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Speaker 2: because of the conversation we just had.

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Speaker 1: We're always like we're in the world. Is Eves? What's

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Speaker 1: going on with Eves? Can you tell the listeners what

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Speaker 1: is going on with you? Yeah? I do like to

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Speaker 1: wonder and wander. The older I get, the more I

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Speaker 1: like to wonder and wander. Don't really care about my jels. No,

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Speaker 1: I care about a lot, honestly too much. It plagues me.

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Speaker 1: But no, I'm in California right now. This is my

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Speaker 1: first time spend an extended time in northern California. I'm

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Speaker 1: in wine and country, which I'm not like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: a big drinker, but I mean I'm gonna drink I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go visit something while I'm out here. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's beautiful. The hills are the hills are healing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the sun is shining. We got a little bit of

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Speaker 1: rain that came through and cool things down for the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days, but like barely an he was

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Speaker 1: nice so in the patio and the rain, and I

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Speaker 1: do I'm really enjoying the scenery out here for sure.

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Speaker 1: Not enjoying the prices though, no thanks for that. Also,

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Speaker 1: lack of bugs, which we just discussed. Yes, yes, lack

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Speaker 1: of bugs I do enjoy. I do. Yeah, I can't

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Speaker 1: deal with it. I was telling y'all. I was telling

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Speaker 1: Annie and Samantha that I'm so used to bugs in

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Speaker 1: the South, and particularly water bugs, that I have been

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Speaker 1: getting jump I'm jump scaring myself. I know everybody knows,

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Speaker 1: like like the black hair things. If you have like

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Speaker 1: kinky hair like I do, Max Fro, a little ball

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Speaker 1: of my own hair and like and little pockets of shadows.

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Speaker 1: But I I accept that, you know, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of things I'm really resilient about and this is

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Speaker 1: not one of them. There them. You know, you've got

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Speaker 1: to accept who you are.

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Speaker 2: I think that's good, Like that's you know why, which

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Speaker 2: is what I was originally gonna describe.

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Speaker 1: You as why. That's something that's a word. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it's interesting to me because you are joining

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Speaker 2: us on a low sleep schedule, and you were talking

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Speaker 2: about sleeping outside after this, and I feel like that

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Speaker 2: to talk about. But I also think sometimes I would

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Speaker 2: and then the bugs show up and it's suddenly not

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Speaker 1: It would be. One of the many traumas of living

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Speaker 3: I mean, we definitely have to get prepared. When I

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Speaker 3: was younger, it was the sos Avon lotion that was

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Speaker 1: Yeah did that actually work? All the granny say say

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Speaker 3: I actually worked, because I'm pretty sure I still had

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Speaker 3: But then the tale was that it worked because I

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hard to prove, hard to prove way uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of resilient things, mosquitoes far more resilient than I am.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, okay, this I swear less there's this

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Speaker 1: for us? Today's Today, we're talking about Mary s Peak,

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Speaker 1: Mary was six years old, her mother sent her to Alexandria, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: by Rowlins Fowl, which is a very posh name like

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Speaker 1: the colored teacher at Fortress Monroe by Lewis Lockwood. He

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Speaker 1: So I didn't delve too deep into this man's history,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, she did, but that is very like

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Speaker 1: So Mary continued on teaching, and eventually in eighteen fifty six,

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Speaker 1: Hampton University, was founded there in eighteen sixty eight by

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Speaker 1: leaders of the American Missionary Association. So that all that

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Speaker 1: is on Hampton, this whole area. And that's the story

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Speaker 1: in Mary Keeth. Yes, the oak tree was what I

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Speaker 1: was talking about. Okay, Yes, okay, I didn't put too

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Speaker 1: and two together.

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Speaker 2: You're smarter than me, No, you had you had a

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Speaker 2: great deep cut ready to go excellent credit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and there is listeners if you want to

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Speaker 1: look it up.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot, like like you've said, Eves, like you

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Speaker 2: can read the biography. There's a lot of stuff you

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Speaker 2: can find written about her. And it is interesting as

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Speaker 2: we always talk about kind of taking into context all

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Speaker 2: the history going on and who's writing it and all that,

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Speaker 2: but we've also talked before about the power of knowledge

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Speaker 2: and reading and all of that stuff. So just what

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Speaker 2: she was doing was so so important and I didn't

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Speaker 2: really realize until you were talking about it because I'm

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Speaker 2: out of that world now.

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Speaker 1: But we are sort of in back to school season.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so it's it's been a well time, like

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Speaker 1: we're all going to school. That's funny.

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Speaker 3: I mean, in general, I think when we talk about

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Speaker 3: the power of education and why groups of people don't

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Speaker 3: want certain groups of people to have that education, that

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Speaker 3: power and is kind of ever growing in conversation and

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Speaker 3: never stopping, never ending. That is because it's still true,

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Speaker 3: like what she was doing was giving power back to

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Speaker 3: her community in an amazing way. And I say short

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Speaker 3: life because I'm like hen she was young. She did

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Speaker 3: so much for her people, for her community, rather that

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Speaker 3: it shows like it spread those schools that opened after her,

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Speaker 3: and that showed that they were thriving. I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: that conversation of like, yeah, this is what it looks

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Speaker 3: like when we actually take that in and understand the

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Speaker 3: power of education, the power of learning and growth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Imagine fleeing your home because of an unprecedented war

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Speaker 1: that a lot of lives hinge upon, going like right

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Speaker 1: down the street and being like, I'm going to teach

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Speaker 1: some kids. I'm good. I think, yeah, okay, good, at

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Speaker 1: least good enough to pass along some knowledge exactly. So yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: shout out to her. I mean seriously, like I it

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Speaker 1: seems like like you have to have great resolve and dedication,

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Speaker 1: like commitment to the cause to do what she did.

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Speaker 3: I wonder too, I haven't researched her at all, because

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Speaker 3: I'm like excited when you come and tell us these

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Speaker 3: people that we should know but we don't know.

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Speaker 1: So we're excited.

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Speaker 3: But I wonder how many people have connections with her,

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Speaker 3: like people who taught she taught to read, and that

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Speaker 3: has passed this hype of well legacy down to their family.

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Speaker 3: I would love to hear about that. That would be amazing

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Speaker 3: to see those connections.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would too. I'm not sure, but I imagine it exponentially.

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Speaker 1: It was exponential situation. You Yeah, he knows of anybody. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be cool.

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Speaker 2: I do feel like you know, hopefully most of us,

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Speaker 2: if we're lucky, you have that one teacher that really

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Speaker 2: left an impression on you or changed your life, and

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Speaker 2: maybe it was something really small, but it really stuck

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Speaker 2: with you. So I bet I'm sure that there are

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Speaker 2: some people out there that hopefully have had her legacy

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Speaker 2: passed down and maybe have heard stories about her.

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Speaker 1: So that would be really cool. Yeah, it would. I

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Speaker 1: have ninety teachers like that. Yeah, ninety teachers over the

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Speaker 1: course of my life who from the smallest support to

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Speaker 1: the biggest, biggest support, I left huge marks on my life.

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Speaker 1: So always love bringing a teacher and I definitely will

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Speaker 1: be bringing another teacher at some point. I have before,

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Speaker 1: we'll be bringing another teacher on it because you know,

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Speaker 1: deserve some upliftment. They absolutely do, and it really is.

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Speaker 1: It's so valuable.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, Eves as always for coming on.

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Speaker 2: I hope that you have a wonderful bug free after.

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Speaker 1: I'm wired now I'm up I'm thinking about. Oh no, Well,

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Speaker 1: where can the good listeners find you? Y'all can go

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Speaker 1: I'm on there sometimes my Instagram is not apologizing, and

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Speaker 1: stuff Mom Never Told You talking about these female first

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Speaker 1: about women in history who had awesome accomplishments.

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