1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noone Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sportsradio dot com, 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR well. Anthony Slater 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: is a senior writer for the Athletics. He's covered the Warriors, 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: He's covered the Thunder for the Oklahoma and a great newspaper. 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: By the way, He's just followed, you know, Kevin Durant 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: around the world, one of the really sharp young guys 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: who covers the NBA. And Anthony Slater is now joining 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: US live and we appreciate that. So, you know, Anthony, 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: I am always reticent to fully embrace the summer League 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: like it's some rotational guys, but there's always one or 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: two player. I remember when Zion came out and I 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: was like, whoa that? Who wants to take the charge 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: from that player? Like that is a whole different ballgame. 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: So Yang ants and for the Blazers, his ability at 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: seven to one to get shots for other people was 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: sort of a wow. His basketball IQ there's some sh goon, 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: there's some Jokics that was like eye opening for a 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: twenty one year old. And then Cooper Flag scoring thirty 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: one of sixty nine points for the MAVs. It's like 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: in drawing fouls. Those were the two players in the 25 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: summer league that were really wow to me, like, oh, 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: that's gonna work? Am I hyperbolic here? Or for you 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: is did what did you see? 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: I mean I think those are two fair guys the spotlight. 30 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: There are others you always do wonder translatable to an 31 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 3: NBA setting right with with hanging with the Portland Center 32 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: and you're mentioning, you know, how many minutes is he 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: gonna play? Is he gonna be featured when he's out 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: there with Scoot Henderson and you know, Donovan Klingon's gonna 35 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: probably start. I would assume its shade and sharp and 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: some of the other developmental projects on that Portland team. 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: Or are they just gonna, you know, give him the 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: ball and you know, let him do some of the 39 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: stuff you're talking number one. And then on the other side, 40 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: how survivable will he become? 41 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: Defensively? 42 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: Is always a question I have for bigger centers, But 43 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: it is a very you know, intriguing skill set, especially 44 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 3: in the modern NBA. And then Cooper Flag, I mean, 45 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: you know, you know the talent's there, but to me, 46 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 3: he comes in as a really like polished, like all 47 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: around player. And I do wonder about the scoring at 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: the NBA level. Five to twenty one in the first 49 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: Summer League game, obviously much better with thirty one in 50 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: the second one. 51 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: But he's on He's on a win now team, which 52 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: is very rare. 53 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: For a first overall pick, you know that, And I'm 54 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 3: curious how he fits into their starting lineup next season. 55 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: You know you're gonna have uh, you know, Derek Lively, 56 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: although it sounds like he had some surgery recently. But 57 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: Anthony Davis, Daniel Gafford like, to me, Cooper Flag seems 58 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: like a modern day four, like switchablefore but he's probably 59 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: gonna be. 60 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: Pigeonholed at the three. 61 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: But then you watch Summer League and you're like, this 62 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 3: guy's just a great basketball player. So but that didn't 63 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: surprise me, Right, he probably watched them Duke games, I'm sure. 64 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the Jonathan coming a piece is interesting. So 65 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: there's something that's fairly clear and you know, more about 66 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: this than I do. But if you can't play with 67 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: Steph Curry and a lot of these young guys can't. 68 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: So in the NFL, a draft pick comes in twenty 69 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: three pretty refined. In the NBA, especially G League guys, 70 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: you know, they haven't played in big environments, they haven't 71 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: played at that bullet train pace with Steph. That Wiseman 72 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: didn't work. Kaminga doesn't play necessarily well with him, and 73 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: so my take is, Bogat did, andre Iguidala did, Andrew 74 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: Wiggins did, Like Steph and Draymond, they played better with 75 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: older guys and that Kaminga just doesn't fit. But I 76 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: do think he has value on the market. So what 77 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: do you think? What are they going to do it? 78 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Do they sign and trade him? If I had to 79 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: put a crystal ball in front of you with Jonathan Kaminga, 80 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: he's long, he's twitchy, he's athletic, he can score. There's 81 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: value there. What do they do with him? 82 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: Crystal ball? I would I would still predict he comes back. 83 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: Just because of the market dynamics, It's really complicated. The 84 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: new CBA restricted free agency obviously gives the Warriors a 85 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: level of kind of asset control here there's a base 86 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: year compensation rule that makes you know, trading with the 87 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: salaries very tricky. The new aprons that I'm sure you 88 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: love talking about at this point kind of restrict some 89 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: of the other stuff. So you know, there are teams interested. 90 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 3: His representatives met with the Kings in Vegas this week. 91 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: There's other teams that have at least put in calls. 92 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: But you know, you not only have to get you know, 93 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: Jonathan kaminga to a contract number that he wants for 94 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: him to sign, but you also then have to convince 95 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: the Warriors, hey, here is enough trade pieces in assigning 96 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: trade so you. 97 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: Will not match that that sheet. 98 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: And you know, the fit issues you raised are very 99 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 3: fair and like obviously it's been four years running of this. 100 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: Steve Kurz very transparent about it. There's dnps in the playoffs, 101 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: but guess what, Steph Curry straight in the hamstring and 102 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: he was like their second maybe best player in the 103 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 3: Minnesota Series, And like, that's a talent you don't want. 104 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: To let walk out the door. Number one, Number two. 105 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: They're gonna play a regular season next year of eighty 106 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: two games with their three best players being thirty five, 107 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: thirty five and thirty seven. They're gonna miss games. Jimmy Butler. 108 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: You know he can play what sixty something in steph 109 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: sixty something. They need bench scoring, they need scoring on nights. 110 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: Those guys either don't have it or are not out there. 111 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: So my prediction would be eventually these two sides come 112 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: to a resolution where he comes back early in the season, 113 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: he is, you know, a featured guy on some nights, 114 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: and then they relook at what his trade market could 115 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: be come January February, because you know, you could trade 116 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: him at his full value, and if he does play 117 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: well early in the season, maybe he doesn't have value 118 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: in the market. 119 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: So when Mark Walter and that group bought the Dodgers, 120 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: they went and got the best GM in the sport 121 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: in Tampa Friedman, and they kind of built the R 122 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: and D. They built scouting and then they started going 123 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: big game hunting. But they got they got it in 124 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: order and slowly, slowly build the right way. And so 125 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: when they buy the Lakers, my take is they don't 126 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: want to get they don't want to get tied the 127 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: massive contracts and Lebron the best thing you can have 128 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: in the NBA is a superstar in his Prime under contract. 129 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: That's that's a good contract, sga Yo Kich Stephans Prime. 130 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: I could argue the second best contract to have is 131 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: a very productive player and he's an expiring contract, and 132 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: then you have leverage. That's what Lebron is, so you 133 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: can move him at the deadline. So my take is 134 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: they're not being anti Lebron. I'm hearing all this Rich 135 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: Paul four teams. My take is they may move him, 136 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: but why would you do it now? He's a highly 137 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: productive player. Well, what is your take on what you're hearing? 138 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 3: Well, the other layer to that that you mentioned of 139 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 3: like stuff that's very valued in the league beyond just 140 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: an expiring contract, the cap space that comes after an 141 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: expiring contract. It's something that wasn't you know, Brooklyn had 142 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: it this summer. I think they to me they used 143 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: it in a strange way. But like the Lakers, you know, 144 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: can go search for you know, a younger co star 145 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: for Luka Doncicz in the in the market if they 146 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: want to, you know, in the next couple of years, 147 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: and that's maybe more important than even trading him at 148 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: the deadline. Certainly they could the trade mechanics in this 149 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: new CVA world are very tricky. Even if they wanted 150 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: to trade Lebron. Now, it's just like, how do you 151 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: find a suitor, how do you make a trade actually work? 152 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, that flexibility optionality has become a popular term 153 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: in the league, and that's clearly what the Lakers are 154 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: prioritizing here. And it's it's understandable. Just look at the ages, right. 155 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: Lebron's gonna turn forty one next year. It's unbelievable what 156 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: he's been able to do. But as you mentioned, locking 157 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: into longer term money on him, you know, kind of 158 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: handcuffs them a little bit on building around Luca, who 159 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: just came in the door a few months ago. 160 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: I think Giannis is gonna move. Historically Europe, I always 161 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: say this, when I go to Europe, I tip better, 162 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm probably more gracious. I feel I'm a visitor, and 163 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: I always felt international players, I mean, Luca was deeply 164 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: offended when he was traded. Yannis could have demanded a 165 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: trade that when players come internationally here, they're like, when 166 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: we go to Europe, they feel like I'm a visitor. 167 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: There's almost a psychology to the domestic player saying I'm 168 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: gonna do what I want to do. I'm you know, 169 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm empowered, and I think Jannis wants to be a Buck. 170 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: But Anthony, I look at them three years ago, they 171 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: were old, they were dominated by Indiana. I don't think 172 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: they're a viable team even in the East, forget it, 173 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: in the West. I think Giannis eventually I would move him. 174 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't know when, but I would move him. I 175 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: think you could get a complete haul. I've seen what 176 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: Rudy gober gets and Kevin Durant. What do you make 177 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: over the next Let's just say that the NBA season 178 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: starts in October to the deadline. Do you think it'll 179 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: be active or do you think he's a long term buck? 180 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 3: Well, the Bucks front office is clearly operating under the 181 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 3: assumption that he'll be there next year, because if he 182 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: does ask out, if he is traded by you know, 183 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: Camp or even you know, middle of the next season, 184 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: like what a disaster that Damian Lillard waving stretch for 185 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: Miles Turner becomes. You know, they they with them, like 186 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 3: you know, they put Damian Lillard as twenty two million 187 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: of dead cap for the next five years, clearly to 188 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 3: chase down you know what seems like an unrealistic dream 189 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 3: of still kind of competing in the East by getting 190 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: Miles Turner in the door, which you know, I would 191 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: agree with you. I think Vegas has them as like 192 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: the eighth best odds to win the East. But I 193 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: just I assume the Bucks front office is getting some 194 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: type of signals from you honest, that he's at least 195 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 3: willing to give it a go next season. Maybe maybe 196 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: I'm wrong, but if that's the case, I mean, that's 197 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: almost malpractice of roster building, because clearly that was a 198 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: desperation move done to appease Giannis. And if you don't 199 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 3: even get to you know, day one of the season, 200 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: the first season, then then we'll look back on that 201 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 3: that Lillard Waveman. 202 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: Stretches as one of the big disasters of the decade. 203 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: Finally, you covered Oklahoma City. Sam Presty's a very bright guy, 204 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: kind of the Howie Roseman. Perhaps at the NFL, where 205 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: he's considered really really shrewd made a lot of good deals. 206 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: I was surprised they gave Chet Sga and j dubb 207 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: all massive It limits flexibility. Now, I do think JDB 208 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: is a very interesting player. He's a complete grinder. He's 209 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: a slow growth guy. He was in high school, college 210 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: and the pros. I think he's great. Holme Grun's kind 211 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: of a unicorn physically. Not a lot of people built 212 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: like him, with his handles and his shooting, and Sga 213 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: is obviously great. So I probably shouldn't be surprised, but 214 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: it does feel like, and they're all young, but it 215 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: does feel like, Okay, guys, this is it for the 216 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: next five years. This is the team. Not a lot 217 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: of flexibility. 218 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: Were you surprised, well, I mean, beyond this is the team, 219 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: it's almost like the team is going to start to 220 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: lose a road around them. Yes, right, you know, like 221 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: the Hartenstein contract. I mean, but you know clearly Sam 222 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: Press you mentioned, and he's shrewd. 223 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: He built this way. 224 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: He got a team option for Hartenstein that you know, 225 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: they can decline when it you know, becomes when some 226 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 3: of this money starts to kick and they still have 227 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: next season very cheap because these extensions that you hear, 228 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: they don't you know, the two rookie ones Jaylen Williams 229 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: of Cheholmroom, they don't kick in for a season after 230 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: this and Shay's big, big money super Max is still 231 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 3: two seasons from now until it kicks in, so they 232 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: have a window here the next couple of years that 233 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: still have like, you know, well priced role players, the Carusos, 234 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: the Dorts, the you know, the Hertensteins around them. 235 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: But you know, by the time those guys are. 236 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: Entering their early prime to for Shay it would be 237 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 3: kind of mid prime, they're gonna have to have a 238 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: lot of just like cheap, minimum mid level type deals 239 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: under them. But you know the guess what, Sam Press, 240 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: He's got like, you know, a billion draft picks to 241 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: go try to find those guys. Cason Wallace is a 242 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: guy for example, that he's hit on and to me 243 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 3: over the next few years, he kind of looks like 244 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: the lou Dort replacement. This year in the draft they 245 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: had the fifteenth overall pick, they drafted a center from Georgetown. 246 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: He to me seems like if he hits, would be 247 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: the Hartenstein replacement. So, uh, Sam Press, he's tried to 248 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: build himself up, or build a roster up to be 249 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 3: sustainable in an NBA world that you know, this new 250 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: CBA tries to make it unsustained, uh, to continue to build. 251 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: But to your original point, it those numbers. 252 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: Are eye popping, but also after winning the title with 253 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: those three as your three best players, and they're coming 254 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: up on extensions like I just don't know in this 255 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: COmON modern NBA world, how you don't give them the 256 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: money when they come asking for it. 257 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: Anthony Slater, senior writer of The Athletic, keeping us up 258 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: to date. He's going to go on a nice, well 259 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: deserved vacation here pretty quick, and I appreciate you stopping 260 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: my Anthony. 261 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: I might check out Rhode Island. I've heard good things. 262 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: You got it from me, Baby. Providence Airport just one 263 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: best airport in North America. 264 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: Go for it. 265 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 4: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays 266 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 4: and Noone Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 267 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 4: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 268 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: It's me Rob Parker. 269 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 5: Check out my weekly MLB podcast, Inside the Parker for 270 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 5: twenty two minutes of piping hot baseball talk, featuring the 271 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 5: biggest names of newsmakers in the sport. Whether you believe 272 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 5: in analytics or the eye test, We've got all the 273 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 5: bases covered. New episodes dropped every Thursday, So do yourself 274 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 5: a favor and listen to Inside the Parker with Rob 275 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 5: Parker on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. 276 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: Jay Mack, J Mack. 277 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 4: Maybe you know j Max. 278 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get you to Chicago for a 279 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: quick visit. Forget Rhode Island. 280 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: That one too far heard on the news. 281 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 4: This is the Herdline News. 282 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 6: You know. I was in college and I dated this 283 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 6: girl who raved about this town in Rhode Island. 284 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 7: That was just amazing. I've forgotten that you know the 285 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 7: name of the town. But apparently Rhode Island is like 286 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 7: a cool spot. Maybe you found an undiscovered gem in America. 287 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: Listen, uncle Colin as choices. I wouldn't go there if 288 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't cool. Come on, what are you thinking? 289 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 7: Well, we got some breaking news. 290 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: Call in here. 291 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 6: Final hour out of Kansas City. The Chiefs have locked 292 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 6: up guard Trey Smith on a four year, ninety four 293 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 6: million dollar extension seventy mili guaranteed, making the highest they'd 294 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 6: guard in NFL history. He had been tagged back into February, 295 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 6: and I just dug into some numbers. He graded out 296 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 6: as the fourteenth best guard in the league but allowed 297 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 6: zero sacks. As a sixth round pick, they got a 298 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 6: lot of bang for their buck with him. 299 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: Oh they stole him. 300 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 6: He's been very good out of Tennessee. He was protected 301 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 6: as like a potential first round pick at tackle and 302 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 6: then he just, you know, kind of measurements weren't there 303 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 6: and kind of didn't have a great final year. 304 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: And no, he has been he is, you know, like 305 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: Jawan Jennings for the Niners. Trey Smith is one of 306 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Brett Veach's great draft picks. Now, obviously, you know you 307 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: get these occasional Brock parties in Trey Smith. But the 308 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: difference is Trey Smith was considered a year before he 309 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: came out like he was a first round talent, and 310 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: then they went and got him. So let me tell 311 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: you something that's good drafting because he I remember his 312 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: rookie year. You're like, oh, they stole them. And you 313 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: know what, again, people mature. The NFL asked so much 314 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: of you mentally and physically. It's just some you need 315 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: the right fifth. So that and once again, an interior 316 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: lineman is getting big time money. You're seeing these teams Chicago, 317 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: the Rams, the Chiefs paying big time. I mean the 318 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: Green Bay this year free Agent paid a guard of fortune. 319 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: You're seeing now the money is moving interior lineman now 320 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: we're getting there. 321 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 6: Still some questions at tackle Colin Juwan Taylor, who is 322 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 6: a walking false start on one side. 323 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 7: And then they brought over the kid from San fran Moore, 324 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 7: who has been a swing tackle. 325 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 6: He's never been like a, hey, we can count on 326 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 6: this guy to start sixteen seventeen games. We'll see, they're 327 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 6: obviously said at center with Creed Humphrey, I'm still not 328 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 6: as bullish on. 329 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 7: The Chiefs as other people at this time. 330 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm not either, and you're with me. 331 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 7: But we'll see. Obviously they have mahomes and reads. They'll 332 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 7: be competitive. 333 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: Next up. 334 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 7: Terry McLaurin less good news. 335 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 6: He spoke out today about the situation in Washington. 336 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 7: He wants a new contract. He's holding out. 337 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 6: It's coming off in amazing years, thirteen touchdowns, but uh, 338 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 6: this does not sound good. 339 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 7: Colinary. 340 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 8: Is everything that has transpired of to this point is 341 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 8: it hasn't been disappointing and frustrating. You know, I've wanted 342 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 8: to continue my career here, can created my life here. 343 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 8: You know, my wife and I have for our first 344 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 8: home year. So this has been somewhere where I've always 345 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 8: wanted to be. Understand, everything's a business. Where at the 346 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 8: same time, like you know, I want to put myself 347 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 8: in a position where you know, on value me and 348 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 8: I still appreciating and things like that. 349 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: Listen, Terry McLaurin is mature, productive and healthy. Deebo struggles 350 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: with health and at times has been noisy. You can't 351 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: sign debo and let McLaurin go, Like, I don't mind 352 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: the debo signing, but not at the cost of McLaurin. 353 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: Like you have to pay him. He has been in 354 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: a position that has some highly emotional, sometimes almost erratic personalities. 355 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: He is a He is like on Saint Brown and 356 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: McLaurin might as well be guards or inside linebackers like 357 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: they are. You can rally around them, you can build 358 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: around him. Uh. This is very interesting because I think 359 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: he is one of my favorite players in the league. 360 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, he's produced around this top ten 361 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 6: wide receiver salary area. He certainly should be in there. 362 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 6: The problem is he's getting up there in age. You're 363 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 6: not paying for past performance. But with Jane Daniels on 364 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 6: the rookie deal, I'm surprised this hasn't been done. 365 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: Colin. 366 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 7: I maybe my kids watch the movie. Jerry maguire have 367 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 7: you remember that movie to Give with your boy Tom Bruise. 368 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: Show me the money. 369 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 6: Basically, if McLaurin just said there and said show me 370 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 6: the money, I would have no problem with that. 371 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 7: He deserves it. I think you have to give a dble, 372 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 7: even if it's a shorter frontloaded deal. 373 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 6: Because of the rookie deal for Daniels, I think you 374 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 6: gotta just get You don't need any drama heading into 375 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 6: what could be could be a super Bowl season for Washington. 376 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: Would you say yeah, no, I'm and there are just 377 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks need comfort right like he is, like Jared Goff 378 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: and amer On Saint Brown, or Brady and Edelman, Peyton Manning. 379 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: You go back to great quarterbacks Jamar Chase and Burrell. 380 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: Remember Joe Burrell pounded the table they needed a tackle, 381 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: he said, get me Jamar Chase from LSU, Brady and Gronk. 382 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: Almost every great quarterback has had a go to guy. 383 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: McLaurin has to be signed and I'm very rarely am I. Hey, 384 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: you gotta sign this wide receiver. I think college football, 385 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, provides twenty guys a year. You can go 386 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: find Pooker or Tank Dell in middle rounds McLaurin is 387 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: a must sign to make. 388 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 6: And he said Brady and Gronk. I instantly thought Cowherd 389 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 6: and MacIntyre. You know. 390 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 7: And I'm not the churchey wide receiver in progress. 391 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: I'm not the diva. 392 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 7: But I have a said big final story, Colin, let's 393 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 7: go to the NBA. 394 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 9: Listen. 395 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 6: I know people don't want to hear it, but I'm 396 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 6: just telling you right now, Bronnie James has improved dramatically. Yes, 397 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 6: he looks good in the summer League. Looks like a 398 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 6: legit rotational player. Last night he had seventeen to five 399 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 6: and five in a loss to the Clippers. Again, people 400 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 6: are so out of him because the first impressions and 401 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 6: he was drafted blah blah blah. If you watch him 402 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 6: in summer, he's got game now. He looks like a 403 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 6: better player. I know he's still six to one. Here 404 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 6: is Bronnie afterward on his improvement. 405 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 9: I think I got a word on everything. That's what 406 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 9: I'm doing summer. I'm working on, you know, on my defense, 407 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 9: especially lateral movement, being more quick, being you know, faster 408 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 9: than what I was last year. So and also I 409 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 9: just his basketball, just I feel comfortable, you know, with 410 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 9: ball in my hands at all time. So if I 411 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 9: need to take the last shot and was uh. 412 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: Listen, I I think the best thing he's got going 413 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: for him two things. He is athletic. That's undeniable. He's athletic. 414 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: And the second thing is he's a really bright kid. 415 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: Always says the right thing, smart, have self awareness. He's 416 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: working on the right stuff. Listen. There's not a lot 417 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: of six to one to two guards in the league, 418 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: but it's becoming. There are fewer labels in the NBA 419 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: like two, three, and four, like if you can play, 420 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: if you can defend. He's going to have to defend 421 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: at an elite level, yes, and he's also going to 422 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: have to shoot at an elite level to be a 423 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: valuable NBA player. He's not a great ball handler. He's 424 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: not going to do anything like he has to work 425 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: his butt off defending and he has to hit threes 426 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: and then you can become a rotational player. But I 427 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: will say this, every time he talks, he always says 428 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: the right stuff, Like he gets his role. He absolutely 429 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: I read a story this last week on him, like 430 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: he understands what he is and he has no misgivings 431 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: about it, and that comes, i'm sure from his dad 432 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: in Savannah, Like he knows what he is. He's a 433 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: hard worker. But he was impressive. I watched him all 434 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: the highlights on YouTube in that game. He was impressive. Yeah. 435 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 6: Let's remember he's twenty years old, okay, and I'm rooting 436 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 6: for him. 437 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 7: I'm not gonna lie. 438 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 6: I'm watching Brian and I am rooting for this guy. 439 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 6: He nearly died a couple of years ago in USC 440 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 6: right with the hard issue, Like, come on, man, this guy. 441 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 6: The kid has improved dramatically. I hope he cracked the 442 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 6: rotation with the Lakers. He's probably their tenth best player 443 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 6: right now. We'll see what happens with the roster, but 444 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 6: I think he's gonna be playing this year a little 445 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 6: bit for the Lakers. 446 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Jmck with the news, Well, that's the news, 447 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: and thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News A 448 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: little breaking news in the NFL. Will have that when 449 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: we return The Herd. 450 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 4: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 451 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 4: and noonon Easter not a em Pacific. 452 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: So breaking news. The Jets have also beyond Garrett Wilson's 453 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: contract have now inked top cornerback, the all Pro cornerback, 454 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner, to a thirty million dollars per year deal 455 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: four years, one hundred and twenty million. So this this 456 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: is a great example of that COVID year where all 457 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks missed. Think about the Jets the prime example. 458 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: You got to get the quarterback right. So Garrett Wilson, 459 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: they've hit on a weapon, They've hit on a Pro 460 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: Bowl corner, They've hit on an interior defensive lineman. They 461 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: have a star back in Breese Hall, Jermaine Johnson, the 462 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: edge rusher coming off injury, terrific young player Olafashan, who 463 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: the tackle from Penn State looks like he's going to 464 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: be really really good. They got six or seven really 465 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: good players, I like their defensive personnel, and they missed 466 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: on Zach Wilson. And so so then they had they reached, 467 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: probably reached to solve it in a big, loud, noisy 468 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: media market on Aaron Rodgers. And now they're going to 469 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: roll the dice and see if they can get justin 470 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: fields to work. And it all starts with missing on 471 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. And it just goes to show you can 472 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: do so much wrong in this league, but if you 473 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: get quarterback right, you're good. It is and you can 474 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: do so much right. I wouldn't have fired their GM. 475 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have fired Sola. They fired both. But they 476 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: got players. The Jets have players, and Justin Field's not 477 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: my favorite. I think he needs the right offensive coach 478 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: to work, maybe like Caleb Williams does, who knows, But 479 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: they got dudes. The Jets have players, and I've always 480 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: said you need about six elite seven elite players to 481 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: be a viable super Bowl team. But you got to 482 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: be good at coach and you got to be good 483 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: at quarterback. They have to be two of the things 484 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: you're really exceptional at. And we don't know if the 485 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: Jets are. But again, they missed on Zach Wilson. It 486 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: was the COVID year. All the quarterbacks missed. Trey Lance missed, 487 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson missed. I think Mac Jones was one of 488 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that year. He was hot for about an hour. 489 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: He missed. And so that's where the Jets are at. 490 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: So they've you know, they're signing their guys and they're good. 491 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I would sign Garrett Wilson, Sauce Gardner and 492 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: Quinnon williams Olufashan, who's a couple of years down the road. 493 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: But they're they're signing the right guys, and maybe they 494 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: have the right coach and maybe Justin Field's works, but 495 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: it is I've said this about the Indianapol Colts. They 496 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: have good players. I love their coach, I love their GM. 497 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: I think Indianapolis has really good players. But the late 498 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: Jim Irsay said, get Carson Wentz out of here. They've 499 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: been bailing water since the quarterback. You know, they got 500 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: an old Philip Rivers who was kind of good for 501 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: a year, and then they went with Anthony Richardson. They've 502 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: been just trying to solve the quarterback. The Colts. I 503 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: think GM coach roster, I got good players, but they're 504 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, listen, it's and they're and they're good enough 505 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: where they're not drafted in the top five to get 506 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback. So it's it's very difficult. You've got to 507 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: get the quarterback right. Once you get Mahomes right, or 508 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: or Baltimore gets Lamar Jackson right, or or Buffalo gets 509 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: Josh Allen right, you can miss on a lot of picks. 510 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Buffalo's missed on some picks. Kansas City moved 511 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: off Tyreek Hill hasn't been great on the offensive line 512 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: at tackle. You could you it's a very imperfect league 513 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: if you get the coach in the quarterback right so, 514 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: and that's you know. That's why when Sean Payton went 515 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: to Denver, I'm like, it's gonna work. It may it 516 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: may take a while because of the Russell Wilson deal, 517 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: but I and I said before they drafted him, I said, 518 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: I think bo Nicks, it is Drew Brees. I think 519 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: Sean Payton and bow Nix, that's gonna work. They got 520 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: that massive salary hanging over, they've got some offensive line, 521 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: they've got an upgrade. And now you look at Denver 522 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: and you're like, I think PFF has him ranked as 523 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: a top ten roster and a top three offensive line. 524 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 1: So you know that that's where we stand today. By 525 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: the way, there are rumors about uh Nick Saban coming back. 526 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: I don't buy him coming back to college football, and 527 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: his former offensive coordinator Lane Kiffin buys it. 528 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 10: Acknowledge that he's coming back. I don't think game, but 529 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 10: he does. I just he's so sharp still, I almost 530 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 10: feel like it's a waste that he's not in no 531 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 10: disrespect to the media and what you guys do, but 532 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 10: his a bill to coach players and change lives in that, 533 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 10: and he's so good at that. I just think it'll 534 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 10: be back where that's NFL or college. 535 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I I don't think he's coming back. I asked 536 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: Eric Mangini earlier, who I think is one of those 537 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: coaches that could work in pro or college? I said, 538 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: if you were advising Nick Saban on, you know, stay, 539 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: go back to college, or perhaps go pro. I think 540 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: college right now it's it's a little wild wild West 541 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: with all the NIL and transfer portal, and I like both, 542 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: but they're not a lot of guard rails right now, 543 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: not enough guardrails. And I asked Mangini, what would you 544 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: advise Nick saban to do? 545 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 11: If I was advising Nick, I would advise him to 546 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 11: go to pro football because that's where he hasn't He 547 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 11: hasn't achieved at the same level as he has in 548 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 11: college football, and I think he can. I don't think 549 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 11: a lot of people realize that the Miami failed Drew 550 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 11: Brees on his physical you know, or Drew Brees would 551 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 11: have been a Miami Dolphin with Nick Saban. That would 552 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 11: have been really interesting to see how good that team 553 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 11: could have been. 554 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: But I think the other thing to remember is with 555 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: the NIL and teams having to raise money to pay 556 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: players fifteen to twenty million dollars, they're not buying out 557 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: their coaching contracts like they used to. So Caitlin de Boorr, 558 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: who I think is an excellent coach, he will eventually work, 559 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: but Alabama's got some fund issues. They're just trying to 560 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: hold bake sales and car washes to get up to 561 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: ten million fifteen million dollars consistently, which Georgia can do 562 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: and Ohio State can do, and Notre Dame can do, 563 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: and USC can do and Oregon do can do. So 564 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: I don't know where he would go. Ryan Day just 565 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: want to Natty. Maybe if the Michigan coach doesn't work, maybe, 566 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: But I think Saban would want more power than Michigan would. 567 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: You know, they've already had the hardball thing, or they 568 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: may be a little skittish on giving sab an ultimate authority. 569 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know where he would go. Clemson's 570 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: not getting rid of Dabbo maybe LSU, but Brian Kelly. 571 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: But again, they'd have to buy Brian Kelly out. It's 572 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: like a seventy million dollar buyout. LSU's not doing that. So, 573 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean the last big buyout was Jim bow Fisher 574 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: at A and M, and that was a little bit 575 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: before NIL turned into what it is now, which is 576 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: a monster. So it's it's like, you know, people talk 577 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: about Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley, and I think USC 578 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: is going to win about eight games this year. They 579 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: don't have elite players top five or six program elite players, 580 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: and he's safe. 581 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: You're not getting rid of him. So I don't know. 582 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: He doesn't He wouldn't fit Notre Dame. Too many rules 583 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. Yeah, James Franklin, I think they're going 584 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: to play for the national championship. I think sark and 585 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: Texas and James Franklin and Penn State. I think that's 586 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: the national championship, Nittany Lions against the Longhorns. So I 587 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: just don't And Dan Lanning is crushing it at Oregon 588 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: and Saban's not going out West, So I where is 589 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: something Kiffin's crushing at Old Miss? So whe're you gonna, 590 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna go. I mean, it's it's like Saban. It's 591 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: like I said with Jerry Seinfeld, don't do another sitcom. 592 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: You left as number one. That's great. That's what Saban did. 593 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: He left as a king. If Seinfeld went back to TV, 594 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: he's doing Netflix. He's not doing linear traditional TV. He 595 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: got you gotta go to Netflix, which I think is 596 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: what Larry David is doing with the Obama's like, if 597 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna do it, take the check from Netflix. 598 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: But I don't. 599 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: I don't see it. I and I and I always 600 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: said I did see the advantages of college football over 601 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: the NFL. As a coach, you control your roster. You 602 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: don't have an impulsive owner. You got to deal with 603 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: the toothless NC double A. But most athletic directors step 604 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: out of the way if the coach is great. But 605 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: college football has changed. It doesn't have a lot of 606 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: guardrails and constantly raising funds. You know it's the NFL 607 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: has got a better pension assistant coaches, you don't have 608 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: the turnover. Everybody's getting paid. The agents and the GM 609 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: control it. I think the NFL now is a better 610 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: job than college football, And I didn't always think that. 611 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: I didn't think that five years ago. Now, I mean, 612 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: there's no break in college football. You're just recruiting twenty 613 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: four to seven, just a conveyor belt of recruiting, recruiting 614 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: your staff to stay, your players, to stay, the NIL portal, 615 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: your high school players. It's too much college football. Coaching 616 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: college football has been like it's like coaching the NBA. 617 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: It's a really bad, great job. It comes with a 618 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: lot of strike Coach of the Year and the NBA 619 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: means you're a year from being fired, maybe the trade 620 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: deadline you're out. So the NFL, I still contend if 621 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: you get one of the better owners, and there's not 622 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: a lot of great owners, but if you get one 623 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: of those seven or eight really good owners in the NFL, 624 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: like the Hunt family, Jeffrey Lourie in Philadelphia, you know 625 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: the Rams, like if you get a great owner NFL 626 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: Stan Kronkey had a pretty good that's a pretty good league. 627 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: But it gets crazy town pretty fast in the NFL 628 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: because once the guys are billionaires, they write checks, they 629 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: get moody, they get impulsive fast. So, uh, I don't 630 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: think your thoughts on Saban it's weird. 631 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 6: I didn't hear you mentioned Woody Johnson among the great 632 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 6: owners the Jets, Jets front man. 633 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no shot. By the way, why do we 634 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 7: do this? 635 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 6: Why do we keep saying could Belichick return, could Saban return? 636 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 6: Like they had their run, they won forever. This isn't 637 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 6: politics where the old guys get to still run the show. 638 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 6: Let's get some new guys in there. I don't need 639 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 6: to see Saban coaching college football again. 640 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: No, damn find another Dan Landing. He's been a home 641 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: run for long. Yeah. Fine, And I didn't know if 642 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: it would work. Southern guy going west, he's been. He's 643 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: been unbelievable, passionate, smart, great recruiter at all works. All right, 644 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: we'll see tomorrow and Wednesday. Jay Mack to her