1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 3: All right, welcome back. 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Greg Cosell has got really interesting stuff. Forty six years 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: NFL films on the weekend matchups, and let's invite Greg in. 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: I think there's so many in these young quarterbacks. There's 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: fits and starts, and they get hot and they're uneven. 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 3: But packers at the bear. 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: So Chicago was held scoreless first three quarters against Detroit 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: week eighteen, only managed three points through three quarters in 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: week sixteen, the last time they faced Green Bay. 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: So when you study the. 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: Tape, how much of that falls just on Caleb Williams 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: the quarterback. 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, Colin, do you think every 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 4: one of these games that just the quarterback is playing. 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 4: It's not always just about the quarterback, I believe it 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 4: or not. This game on that side of the ball, 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 4: to me is one of the most fascinating games of 25 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 4: the weekend, because what you have here is you have 26 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 4: Ben Johnson's pass game, which in terms of spacing and 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 4: creating to find looks for the quarterback is as good 28 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 4: as there is in the league, versus Jeff Hafley's defense, 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 4: which is among the very very best in the league 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 4: at changing the picture pre snap to post snap. 31 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 5: He is so good with late rotation. 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 4: So to me, that's really the matchup in this game 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 4: is how the Bears and Caleb and that pass game 34 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 4: will handle all the moving parts at the snap of 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 4: the ball that Jeff Hafley is so good at. There 36 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: have been fits and starts in that regard. There have 37 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 4: been plays where the Packers have won the down. There 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 4: have been plays where the Bears have won the down. 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 4: So it'll just that'll be a significant part of this game. 40 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 4: And one thing to keep in mind for the last 41 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 4: couple of weeks, the Bears have not run the ball 42 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 4: as well as they did earlier in the season, and 43 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 4: I would think that Ben Johnson would like that run 44 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: game to be a bigger factor against that Packers front 45 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 4: than it's been the last couple of weeks. 46 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's reports of snow and thirty mile an 47 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: hour win. Gus So, I that's one of the reasons 48 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: I like Chicago is they have the better ole line 49 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: and the more consistent run game between these two teams, 50 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: and the Christian Watson running deep ball patterns doesn't seem 51 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: to me terribly effective. The weather's going to absolutely play 52 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: a role in this. 53 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 4: To me, well, the slot corner for the Bears will 54 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 4: be interesting because Kyler Gordon is practicing as you and 55 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 4: I are speaking, he has He's only played three games 56 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 4: this year. Looks like Gardner Johnson who has been their 57 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 4: slot and he's really not a slot corner in a 58 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 4: strict sense and was burned when they played Week fourteen. 59 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 4: So I think that that's the spot to look at 60 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 4: in this game. How the Packers attack the slot corner 61 00:02:58,639 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: of the Bears. 62 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: Bills at the Jags. 63 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: Since Week eleven, the Chaguars are averaging thirty four yeh 64 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: points a game. Why what that offense is on fire? 65 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: Explain to me? 66 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 3: Why? 67 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? What do you see when you watch the tape 68 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 4: for a couple of things. Number one, and don't forget 69 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 4: Liam Cohen spent a lot of time with Sean McVay, 70 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: So what you see a lot of are reduced splits 71 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 4: with the wide receivers tighter to the formation. And what 72 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: has changed in terms of Trevor Lawrence is he is 73 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 4: working the middle of the field between the numbers in 74 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: this eight game winning streak as well as any quarterback. 75 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 5: In the league. 76 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: So now you get this against the Sean McDermott defense, 77 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 4: and I think Sean McDermott is one of the absolute 78 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: best in the league at situational football, at understanding how 79 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 4: to deploy his people. I think that the two safeties 80 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: Cole Bishop and Jordan Poyer will be critical players in 81 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 4: this game in understanding the route concepts that work between 82 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: the numbers. But you're dealing with sewn who's you know, 83 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 4: this is not his first rodeo, and they've gotten better 84 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: on defense as the year has gone. On their run game, 85 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 4: their run defense at times can be leaky, but it's 86 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: certainly been better lately. 87 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 5: But it's it'll be. 88 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: Interesting because they're going to have to get pressure on 89 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence in those critical third down situations. But I 90 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 4: think Sean McDermott another coordinator that's really good at changing 91 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 4: the picture and showing quarterbacks different looks. 92 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 5: Once the ball is snapped. 93 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: All right, forty nine ers Eagles could be won for 94 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: the ages. How much of the San Francisco Shanahan offense 95 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: relies on scheme versus winning individual matchups. 96 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: Oh a high percentage. They don't really have an individual winner. 97 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 4: And if Ricky Piersoll can't go, he's their best one 98 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 4: on one route runner. And if he can't go, they 99 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 4: don't really have that guy. Now, obviously Kittle can win, 100 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 4: but he's not an outside receiver, so they don't really 101 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 4: have that guy. So they rely heavily on scheme, heavily 102 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 4: on motion. They use motion a ton. Fic Fangio will 103 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 4: be well aware of that. I would expect that you'll 104 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 4: see the Eagles line up a lot in that quarter 105 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: shell that for across where it's a balanced defensive look 106 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 4: and you don't really have to react to motion because 107 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 4: you're balanced defensively. So this, to me, you know, it'll 108 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 4: be interesting. The Niners have to find a way to 109 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 4: run the ball with some sustainability in this game against 110 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: a Eagles defense that's been playing at a really high 111 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: level for the last six seven weeks. 112 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: What defines today last four weeks, what defines Philadelphia's offense 113 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: when you look at the film today. 114 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 5: That's a tough question. 115 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: I mean, I think what their identity still is is 116 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 4: running the football. 117 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 5: They just haven't done it as well. I've got a 118 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 5: stat for you that will blow you away. Okay. 119 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 4: Last year, okay, four in the second half of this 120 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 4: of games, the second half only the second half, Saquon 121 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 4: Barkley gained over seventeen hundred and fifty yards just in 122 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 4: the second half. This year, in the second half of games, 123 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 4: he's gained just over five hundred yards. That's a difference 124 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 4: of twelve hundred yards. That's a ridiculous difference. They've not 125 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 4: been able to close out games running the ball. But 126 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 4: I think structurally and conceptually, in many ways, their defense, 127 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 4: excuse me, their offense is what it is. They're a 128 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 4: run first football team, and I think now that they're 129 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 4: in the playoffs, I think you've got to get Jalen 130 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 4: Hurts involved in the design run game because of the 131 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 4: impact it has on defensive structures. 132 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 133 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: and noon eastern non a em Pacific on Fox Sports 134 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 135 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 6: Hey, it's Rob Parker and Calvin Washington from The Odd 136 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 6: Couple on Fox Sports Radio and in addition to hearing 137 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 6: us live nice from seven to ten pm Eastern on 138 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 6: Fox Sports Radio. 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Patriots had a 147 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: very easy schedule, best team they played with stuffalo. 148 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: When you look at New England's. 149 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: Offense before the year started, we thought it lacked explosiveness, 150 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: but there have been sidelined big, big plays over the top. 151 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: Their big play offense is pery effective. What makes it 152 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: work is it just Drake made the deep ball because 153 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: the old line is not dominant, he doesn't get the 154 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: best pass pro What what makes New England's offense to 155 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: you dangerous? 156 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of factors. 157 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: It includes the quarterback for sure, because he is as 158 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: tough as they come in the pocket. He does not 159 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 4: disrupt plays by leaving the pocket. He allows the play 160 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 4: designed to work because he will stand in the face 161 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 4: of pressure, when the pocket gets muddy, noisy, dirty, he 162 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 4: stays there. Plus, I think schematically they're very good, particularly 163 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 4: in the red zone. They're very very creative with what 164 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 4: they do in the red zone, with their deployment of personnel, informations, 165 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 4: and they've been outstanding over the last five six weeks, 166 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 4: which is one reason they've scored so many touchdowns. Now 167 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 4: on the other side, one thing the Patriots have done 168 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 4: a lot over the last month six weeks is a 169 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 4: lot of pressure on defense and a lot of man coverage, 170 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 4: and I think you're going to see that against the Chargers. 171 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: They're going to make Herbert have to beat them throwing 172 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: the ball under duress against man coverage, and I think 173 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 4: that's going to be a selling part of this game. 174 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: I don't think you can win multiple playoff games when 175 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: you have the lowest rated offensive line. I think if 176 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: they want in New England, you'd feel really great about, 177 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, not having their tackles. When you watch the 178 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: throw on the Chargers, I think it's remarkable that they're 179 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: eleven and six with this old line. 180 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: They were down to a third running back. 181 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like to me Herbert is a lot 182 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: of the magic is no, maybe not to the level 183 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: of a Josh Allen, But what do you see with 184 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: Herbert on film in regards relative to what his protection is. 185 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 4: Well, there's certainly a toughness to his game. He is 186 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 4: a stand and deliver quarterback. He doesn't fly out of there. 187 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 4: He lets plays develop. He's willing to make tough throws 188 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: with pressure in his face. And you know, that is 189 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 4: something that's very hard for people to really quantify, because 190 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 4: what that means is is you're allowing the routes to develop. 191 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 5: Quarterbacks that leave the. 192 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 4: Pocket early Colin, they don't allow the routes to develop, 193 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 4: and so there are throws that end up being there 194 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 4: that quarterbacks never get to. We spoke about that with me. 195 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 4: Herbert's the same way. They allow the play to develop 196 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: to its fullest. And obviously he can pull the trigger 197 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 4: and drive the football even just sitting on his back foot. 198 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 5: He does not need space, he does not need to 199 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 5: step into throws. 200 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 4: But your point about their on line is a good one, 201 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 4: and that's why I think you'll see the Patriots, who've 202 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 4: clearly increased their pressure quotion over the last six weeks. 203 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 4: I think you'll see that in this game? 204 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: All right, Texan Steelers Monday night, I said, I think 205 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: we look at Pittsburgh over the last several years and 206 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: more like seven years, can't trust the on line, can't 207 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: trust the run game. I actually like Jalen Warren. I 208 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: think this is the best the offensive line has been 209 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: in several years. Gain Well has been a nice addition. 210 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: Firemooth's obviously a very talented tight end. Is this offense 211 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: the Steelers when you watch it now dk Metcalf comes back, 212 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: does it have a little more juice? And if it does, 213 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: is that an Aaron component? I mean, Aaron obviously has 214 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: seen every defense. I just feel like when I watch 215 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: Gainwell and Warren and I'm like, maybe they've got a 216 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: little more energy than I do. On credit for what's 217 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: the film? What's the film say? On the Steelers offense? 218 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: Well, Iron's gonna have to throw some one on ones 219 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 4: outside and he does, That's the way he plays. And 220 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 4: they're gonna have to connect on those because the problem 221 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: when you face Houston is this Houston And it will 222 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 4: be the case in this game. Because Dylan Cooks the 223 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 4: left tackle for the Steelers, and well, he's played well, 224 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: you know, he's not their starting left tackle. What happens 225 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 4: when you play Houston is you're almost forced to keep 226 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 4: a back and or a tight end in either as 227 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: chippers or as primary pass protectors. And the Texans are 228 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 4: a predominant high percentage four man d line pass rush, 229 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 4: so that means they play with seven in coverage. So 230 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 4: what often happens on critical down and distance since Colin 231 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 4: is they have seven in coverage and you're sending out 232 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 4: three primary wide receivers, so they have seven to play three, 233 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 4: so they win the numbers game, and they can still 234 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: get to the quarterback even when you're blocking with six 235 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 4: or seven. 236 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 5: So it's very. 237 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 4: Difficult to really throw the ball with any kind of 238 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 4: real consistency against them. That's why you've got to make 239 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 4: quick throws. And by the way, Rogers has been in 240 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 4: empty formations far more than any quarterback in the league, 241 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 4: and it wouldn't surprise me to see them do that 242 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 4: and have him just make quick throws to try to 243 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 4: negate the pressure. 244 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: Okay, Rams are a massive road favorite ten and a half. 245 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: That's very rare in the NFL to be a huge 246 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: playoff favorite, but especially on the road. So how much 247 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: of the Rams offense is about personnel and pre snap 248 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: movement and McVeigh and how much is just Matt Stafford 249 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: being great. 250 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 4: Well, it obviously helps when your quarterback is really good. 251 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 4: But they are a thirteen personnel offense. Beginning week seven, 252 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 4: forty four percent of their offensive snaps at three tight 253 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 4: ends on the field, one back and three tight ends. Now, 254 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: with Adams back this week, we'll see if that changes. 255 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: But it presents problems for a defense as to how 256 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 4: you want to play it because they don't just run 257 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 4: these three tight ends to run the football. Stafford's pass 258 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 4: game numbers colin at if three tight ends are off 259 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: the charts. He's dropped back over one hundred and thirty 260 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 4: times with three tight ends on the field and has 261 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: twenty touchdown passes out of three tight ends on the field. 262 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 4: So this is not just let's hand the ball off. 263 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 4: And by the way, Corman Williams both have crazy good 264 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 4: numbers running out of three tight ends. So I'm curious 265 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 4: to see how Carolina wants to play this because they 266 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 4: have two base defenses, basically a five to two front 267 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: and what we call big nickel. So who are they 268 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: going to put out there and how are they going 269 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 4: to try to counter this three tight end offense, and 270 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 4: they're so good with it. You know, they score touchdowns 271 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 4: every week. And I think that's the play I wanted 272 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 4: to show because they had a staple touchdown last week 273 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 4: against Arizona which was exactly what they do at a 274 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 4: three tight ends, particularly when they get just right to 275 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 4: the red zone area. This is technically just outside the 276 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 4: red zone, but this is what they do and they're 277 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 4: so so good at it. So you're going to see 278 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 4: that they're in thirteen personnel and as I said, that 279 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 4: means one back in three tight ends on the field. 280 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: That's what thirteen personnel is. Then they have one wide 281 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 4: receiver here it happens to be Mumford. He split to 282 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 4: the boundary side. So what they do here, and this 283 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 4: is a staple, they go hard run action to the 284 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 4: field and you'll see that it has a tremendous impact 285 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: on those two stacked linebackers. So then what they do 286 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 4: as far as the routes is Momfield's going to run 287 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: vertically and he's going to remove the corner in the 288 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 4: safety and then Parkinson will run the shallow cross underneath 289 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 4: off the zone run action and you can see how 290 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 4: well this works. Look at the linebackers hit that run 291 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 4: out a hard you're gonna see momfield. He's going to 292 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 4: remove the corner and a big void gets created and 293 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 4: it's foot action by Stafford. They've scored a number of 294 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: touchdowns on this very play once they get into the 295 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 4: red zone area, and it's just beautiful football. And you know, again, 296 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 4: we know Stafford's great, but they do such a good 297 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 4: job schematically as well. I think we all agree that 298 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 4: Sean McVay schematically is one of the best around. And 299 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 4: they're so good with their formations. They are incredibly multiple 300 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: and diverse at a three tight ends, it's just a 301 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 4: very hard offense to play against. 302 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: Greg Cosel as OHA's great fifteen minutes forty six years 303 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: at NFL Films. Thanks Greg, Thanks Colin, appreciate it. Kevin Donson, 304 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: by the way, their best offensive lineman guard has been 305 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: ruled out against Carolina. But they've got their They've got 306 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: the full complement of weapons, that's for sure. So for 307 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: all the regulated levels of violence and football, it's the 308 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: Rams are gonna be missing one guard. Like by and large, 309 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: the safety measures over the last several years, a lot 310 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: of these teams. Philadelphia is ready to roll. I think 311 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: San Francisco if Trent Williams plays. I mean they lost 312 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: Bosa and Warner. They're really the team that is like 313 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: off the rails physically. Like the Niners are one of 314 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: those teams. I can't quite explain their injuries. Some of 315 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: it is they're really really old. By the way, Washington 316 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: had a ton of injuries this year. Washington was the 317 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: first or second oldest team. So Green Bay, Seattle, Seattle's healthy, 318 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: Seattle's very young. Rams defense healthy, Rams defense, very young. 319 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: That helps j Mack with the news. 320 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: Turn on the news. 321 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News. 322 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 7: All right, let's go to Eagles Niners. Really good game 323 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 7: Sunday on Fox. Colin, I'm fired up about it. We've 324 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 7: examined both of the quarterbacks. You know, this is the 325 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 7: non first round pick playoff game. Party was the mister 326 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 7: irrelevant in his draft, and Nick Sirianni knows he still 327 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 7: has the game plan for brock Perty. 328 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 8: He's a winner. You know, he's won everywhere he's went, 329 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 8: and you know, really good football player, does a really 330 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 8: good job with with the system that they run, has 331 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 8: the ability to extend plays, his ability to find guys 332 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 8: that are that are open and find the right receiver. 333 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 8: It's tough. You know, he's tough. So there's a reason 334 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 8: they've been you know, obviously all the really good players 335 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 8: that have and and good coaching that they have is 336 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 8: why they've had sustained success. But they've had a really 337 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 8: a steady quarterback through that time as well. 338 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 3: Also helps for the record. 339 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: They may have the best backup quarterback along with the 340 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: Green Band in the league. 341 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 9: You seeing that screen there, a big guy, he goes 342 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 9: up to five and a half. 343 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's selling Niners. That's the Ricky Piersall, 344 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 3: Trent Williams. 345 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 7: I mean, the offense did not look good without them, 346 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 7: but it was against Seattle. I'd say the Eagles are 347 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 7: in that Seattle class. They're not quite as good and loaded, 348 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 7: but their front, I mean, Jordan Davis and car Jalen Cart. 349 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 7: You can't run on those guys up the middle. Yeah, 350 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 7: five and a half is that it's a little disrespectful 351 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 7: to Kyle and Brock. 352 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Niner game comes down to 353 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: is Ricky Parasol and Trent Williams available. If it is, 354 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: they got a shot. If it's not, they're not winning 355 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: the game. 356 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 9: There are some numbers. 357 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 7: Vick Fonngio has faced Kyle Shanahan I think four or 358 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 7: five times, and Shanahan has not top twenty points against him. Now, 359 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 7: some of that is like without good quarterbacks, but still 360 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 7: that's a tough one. Eagles sneaky Super Bowl pick in 361 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 7: the NFC. Keep an eye on him. All right, Let's 362 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 7: move on to Packers Bears. Colin, this is the game 363 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 7: you are fired up about now. Jordan Love, who's can 364 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 7: cuss in their last meeting and sat out the final 365 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 7: two games. He's back and ready to go ahead of 366 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 7: the wildcard game. He's confident rust will not be a factor. 367 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 10: It doesn't really, you know, I think still just all 368 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 10: week and uh, you know, staying locked in and uh 369 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 10: you know obviously was suited up last week, was ready 370 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 10: to go. But yeah, you know it's been a couple weeks. 371 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 10: But uh no, it doesn't feel like that. I think, 372 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 10: you know, just staying with it in practice. 373 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: By the way, Roma Dunzee is officially off the injury report. 374 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: Roman Dunzae is gonna show up. He's gonna be uh 375 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: playing for the Chicago Bears. 376 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 9: What about Luther burden. Do we know what's going on. 377 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: Won't even be necessary, so he's they gonna need weapons. 378 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 7: Other people have pointed this out, and I think we 379 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 7: mentioned earlier. Both these teams got the early buy. Bears played, 380 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 7: they're full guys all last week against the Lions. 381 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 9: Packers rested everybody. I think Lafleur has an edge. 382 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 7: Remember this Ben Johnson's first playoff game, first playoff week, 383 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 7: Caleb Williams first playoff game, first playoff week. No pressure 384 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 7: on the Bears, little pressure, first home playoff game since 385 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 7: the Double dwink, remember that one. 386 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 9: It's gonna be a juiced up scene there. I'm surprised 387 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 9: you're not front row. 388 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: I am dead at home in front of your television 389 00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: sofa front row. 390 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 7: That makes sense, All right, final story, Colm, Let's go 391 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 7: to John Harbaugh, and the question is who's going to 392 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 7: replace it. I think Jesse Minterer is a slam dunk 393 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 7: the Chargers. 394 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: Well, he definitely not only does he know the culture, 395 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: but he was great there. He's been great with the Chargers. 396 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: So you feel like you're getting some of Harbaugh's sort 397 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: of culture building. 398 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 9: Yeah, now you see we have odds here. 399 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 7: It's low level stuff, but The interesting name is Todd 400 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 7: Munkin at three the OC. 401 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: I didn't think I don't think he and Lamar. I 402 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: think he and Lamar butt heads, don't they. 403 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 7: There was claim that someone I don't know how credible 404 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 7: it is, like hey, Harball, you gotta fire the OC. 405 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 7: We need to fix this Lamar situation. And Harball was like, 406 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 7: I'm not doing that supposedly. I don't even know Monk 407 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 7: is going to be there next year. 408 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: I don't think Monk. 409 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: I know Mounkin's not to make nothing against him, but 410 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: I think Mentor and Stefanski are easily the top two guys. 411 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 9: Kevin Stefanski go, what's that going? 412 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: Like? 413 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 9: From like a Hyundai Sonata to a Ferrari? 414 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: Can you imagine there's you Cleveland got? 415 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 11: You know? 416 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: Cleveland thinks, oh, we're pretty sharp. He goes to Baltimore 417 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: and Stefanski owns you for a decade. 418 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: That'd be so Cleveland. It would be so Cleveland. 419 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 9: I think the Browns job is the worst one out 420 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 9: there right now. 421 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: No Jets is pretty bad. 422 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 7: Well it's just not open yet, but yeah, this would 423 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 7: be This would be a big loss for Harbor. 424 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: Coincidence that Cleveland's been bad forever. It's not the media, 425 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: it's not who's upstairs ownership. 426 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, man can't get coach or quarterback right, they just can't. 427 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 7: Can I interest you in Cliff Kingsbury for this job 428 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 7: or No, Ravens have a strong culture. 429 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: I don't see Kingsbury as a head coach. He and 430 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: Adam Peters. I have it sourced now by two different people. 431 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: Adam Peters the GM and Cliff Kingsbury did not see I'd. 432 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 7: On now at the same time, this is a front 433 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 7: office and ownership group that Ben Johnson was like, no, 434 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 7: thank you. 435 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson flew to Washington. Peters is an NBA guy, 436 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson's take, reportedly I read this yesterday was 437 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: Ben thought that Adam Peters and the Washington basketball people 438 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: had too strong a football opinions. Thought they knew a 439 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: little more about football than they actually knew about football. 440 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 9: Josh Harrison, the ownership group, they had. 441 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: Big, strong opinions that Ben's like, yeah, you're basketball guys. 442 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah you're not really a football guy. 443 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 8: We're not. 444 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 7: So this whole Kingsbury thing, I'm not gonna blame Kingsbury. 445 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 7: If these guys who Ben Johnson wanted nothing to do 446 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 7: with said no, and now he's thriving. 447 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 9: Maybe this is the best for Kingsbury. I don't know. 448 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 9: I don't know why I like Kingsbury. I don't text him. 449 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: I like I like Kingsbury too, but I don't know 450 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: if I mean. I guess Cliff would be a head 451 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: coach potentially, but I think his psychology and his personality 452 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: is to be a great coordinator. 453 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 5: It's possible. 454 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 11: Yeah. Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and 455 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 11: thanks for stopping that. The Herd Line news Aroma Dunde 456 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 11: is gonna play another weapon for the great Caleb William 457 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 11: mind me Hurricanes ol miss tonight. I'm taking the Hurricanes. 458 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 11: I think they're going to physically bully him a little 459 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 11: bit in LA. 460 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 3: It's the Herd. 461 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 462 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: and newon Eastern a EM Pacific. 463 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: So it's third meeting Packers Bears, So you're not going 464 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: to fool anybody. Tom Brady came on about an hour ago, 465 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: an hour and a half ago, and I and I 466 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: asked him, would would you prefer to face a team 467 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: for the first time or is it okay if you're 468 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: facing kind of a rival, you're both familiar with each other. 469 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: Where do you land on that? 470 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 5: This is what you love about it. These two teams 471 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 5: know each other so well. 472 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 12: Guys are coming out of you know, some unherlded receivers 473 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 12: from the Bears have made some plays late in these games. 474 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 12: So it is a super tight matchup for this game. 475 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 12: This one of the more intriguing games in the weekend. 476 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 12: I can't wait to see how both teams played. And look, 477 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 12: they know each other so well. So now it really 478 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 12: does come down to the fundamentals. 479 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the games like this come down generally 480 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: who doesn't make the big mistake late. That's the old 481 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson. You lose more games than you win Bears Packers. 482 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: For all the matchups, who doesn't turn it over, who 483 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: doesn't fumble, who doesn't throw the pick? You know, in 484 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: windy weather, I doubt you have a ton of field goals. 485 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: I think Chicago's big edge is better. 486 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: Online, better run game with thirty mile an hour gusts 487 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: that and being at home. I think that's a big 488 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: edge for Chicago. But there's a reason, you know, Chicago 489 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: is the underdog. Green Bay's been here a lot. I 490 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: like Chicago, the market tends to favorite Green Bay. Also, 491 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: you know the other game. It's interesting we were joking 492 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: about Brady's first game. His first playoff game was the 493 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: Tuck Rule game, the snowy cold game, which Brady said 494 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: years ago on this show. I think it was this 495 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: year last year. He liked snow games because he knew 496 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: corners didn't have their footing and pass rushers didn't get 497 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: a great push. So he at least knew offensively, offensive 498 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: guys know where they're going and so slippery, wet, snowy 499 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,239 Speaker 1: weather is an advantage to the offense as long as 500 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: it's not too windy, not to the defense. But we 501 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: talked about kind of the first of you know, Drake 502 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: May heading into his first big playoff game against Justin Herbert. 503 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 12: Look, I love Drake May and what he's done in 504 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 12: his second You're working with Josh McDaniels, who's another tremendous 505 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 12: coach and has done such a great job kind of 506 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 12: understanding what Drake's capable of it. I just see Matt 507 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 12: Stafford as a Hall of Fame level quarterback that has 508 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 12: played his best season of football, and he's done it 509 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 12: against you in any conditions, forty six touchdown passes. He's 510 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 12: just been incredible. 511 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: By the way, that's Brady talking about the MVP race. 512 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: I you know, it's funny. When I watched Brady in 513 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: that snow game against the Raiders that, Honest to god, 514 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: it feels like forty years ago. I remember one of 515 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: the first things I noticed about when I watched Brady 516 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: play is that, and it matters. Playing at Michigan probably 517 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: helped because he's from California. 518 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 3: Brady was a great cold weather quarterback. 519 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: And that's why I've noted this before. There's never been 520 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: a warm weather NFL dynasty. Shula and Marino got there early, 521 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: didn't get back together. Go find all the dome and 522 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: warm weather dynasties in the NFL, maybe in college, not 523 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: in pro football, And you know, there's just there isn't it. 524 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest about Jacksonville. But what if 525 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: Jacksonville has to go eventually to see you see the 526 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: weather in Chicago this weekend, that's a huge disadvantage. I 527 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: remember Dan Fouts having to go play Cincinnati and it 528 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: was like minus nine degrees. So I do think there's 529 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: an advantage to be Seattle in Chicago and Philly and Denver. 530 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: I think it's an advantage to play in crappy weather. 531 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 9: Do the nineties Cowboys count as warm weather. 532 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: Or Dallas's weather is it can be hot in the summer. 533 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: I'm not denying that. I don't consider Dallas to be 534 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: your classic warm weather team. 535 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 3: Dallas gets cold. 536 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: Last Super Bowl I was at in Dallas, there were 537 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: sheets of ice falling off. 538 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 7: Jctuary is tricky. Nowhere is super warm in January forty 539 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 7: nine Ers in the eighties. I mean you got to 540 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 7: go back like forty years again. 541 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: When I think of warm weather, I think of Chargers, Rams, Arizona, Cardinals. 542 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: I think Houston of warm weather, not Dallas. I think 543 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: Houston's more warm weather. I think of Miami, Jacksonville, and 544 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: Tampa that like eight teams. Those are warm weather teams. 545 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: Dallas gets really cold for four months. 546 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 7: Ye Southern California has not been a power. I mean, 547 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 7: La Rams had what Jim Elbrett and a couple wide receivers, 548 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 7: but they were never like a no. 549 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: I listen, the NFL college football was built on bowl 550 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: games in warm weather, the Rose Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, 551 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: the Sugar Bowl. That's the NFL its history is you 552 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: have to basically to be a super Bowl champ when 553 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: three or four almost always outside of the super Bowl, 554 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: three or four five big cold weather games to either 555 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: get into the playoffs, secure better seating, get home field advantage. 556 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: That's a huge disadvantage for Miami Jacksonville. 557 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 7: Possible to build a legit contender, to be a dynasty 558 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 7: in a warm. 559 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: Weather you can do it. If you go look at 560 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: the Cowboys Emmitt Smith. They had a great run game. 561 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: So if you're going to consider Dallas, you could say, well, 562 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: I don't consider San Francisco warm weather. I mean, go 563 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: to a Giants game in the summer. It's foggy and cold. 564 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: So I think there's about eight what I would call, 565 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, Dodger games in the summer. You can get 566 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: ninety degrees a lot. It's not the Bay Area, So 567 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's ways to build it. 568 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: Like I always said, if you go look at the 569 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: history of like cold weather, Brady was a great cold 570 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: weather quarterback, So was Big Ben and Bradshaw and Flaco 571 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: and Farv and Rogers. Start look at Maholmes big arm, 572 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, like Lamar Jackson is not a big arm. 573 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: Guy in Baltimore. Now, his arm is fine, but he's 574 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: not a big arm guy. So I mean just the 575 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: history of I mean of Northern tier football is big now. 576 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: San Francisco and Dallas are not. They're not blizzard Weather. 577 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: So brock Purty doesn't have a huge arm. It's you 578 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: could win a Super Bowl. He's a you know, he's 579 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: not gonna Also, in the AFC, a lot of your 580 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: best owners and best organizations are north, I mean forever 581 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: variable for the next ten years. New England's going to 582 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: be in the playoffs for a decade straight. Buffalo with 583 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: Josh Allen's going to be in the playoffs for the 584 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: next seven years. Baltimore historically makes the playoff. Kansas City 585 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: makes the playoffs all right now more than ever, the 586 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: AFC goes through crappy weather. 587 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 7: The only guy I think that could build one in 588 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 7: warm Weather now is McVeigh. He's got a great system. 589 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 7: They are run first to set up the play action. 590 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 7: He's got the MVP quarterback. But to build a dynasty, 591 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 7: you'd need that bridge from Stafford and finding a quarterback. 592 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 7: That's not easy, but they are built for it. The 593 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 7: defensive line is nasty, it's really I was thinking about this. 594 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 7: If you're the Rams. 595 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: And it's a weak quarterback class, you're not gonna get 596 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: Dante Moore Mendoza. If Dante comes out and you're not 597 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: getting Ty Simpson, somebody's gonna reach. He's not going to 598 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: last at the end of the first round. He'll get 599 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: picked up at the fifteenth. If you're the Rams, do 600 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: you just say, instead of drafting a quarterback, just stack 601 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: the roster Stafford one more year, then go get one 602 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: next year. I thought about that. Why waste a draft, 603 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: Because let's say you say, okay, we're gonna go get 604 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: Ty Simpson. You probably have to give up a third 605 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: of fifth a sixth to move up. And my take is, 606 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: just stack the roster for Stafford. 607 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 7: They got that Falcons pick, and I think that's what 608 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 7: I'm saying something. 609 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: They needs a corner, a safety, a tackle because they could. 610 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 9: Win the Super Bowl. 611 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 7: And Stafford says, I'm out, I'm retiring on top, goodbye. 612 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 9: What you gotta draft Mike Simpson at that point? 613 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: Right Well, at that point, my take though, I look, 614 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: if I ran the Rams, I would go to Stafford 615 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: and I if they win and say, listen, we'll give 616 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: you a little bit more money because what we're not 617 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: going to draft a quarterback. We're going to take this 618 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: and we're just going to do all we can to 619 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: get playmakers and hip makers. Because they have two ones, 620 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: a two, and a three. That's four players. Say we 621 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: will not draft the quarterback this this draft, it's a 622 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: week quarterback draft. 623 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 3: All four of those. 624 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna go get you a first round tackle, a 625 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: first round corner, a second round receiver, and a third 626 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: round playmaker and say, now we'll give you an extra 627 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: year on your contract. It's got to be team friendly, 628 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: but we'll give you an extra year because I think 629 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: if Stafford won it, my take is, why. 630 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 3: Draft the quarterback? 631 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 5: Why? 632 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: Because to get a quarterback that you think could potentially play, 633 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to move up because they're at the 634 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: end of the first round. 635 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 3: Why waste draft picks on that. 636 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 7: I just remember Stafford coming in August, remember how bad 637 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 7: his back was. People were like, is he even going 638 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 7: to start the season? 639 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 9: What's the MVP. I don't know what they're given him. 640 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 7: He may just not have wanted to practice an audist 641 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 7: some horse tranquilizers. Maybe, I don't know what's going on. 642 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 7: He's fine, he's playing amazing. 643 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom Brady, Greg cosel bowstop buy money, love that 644 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: will see you tomorrow and enjoy the Hurricanes and all 645 00:32:59,280 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: miss tonight