1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and what of the 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: stuff will Never Told You? A production of iHeart Radio? 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: And we are back with part two of our classics 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: on the women of Urban Legends. And yeah, I've been 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: thinking about this too in terms of I would love 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: to do an internet version of this because I feel 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of urban legends of women and 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: now I specifically, yeah, yes, and I used to play 9 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: these games when I was younger where they would terrify me, 10 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: but it was kind of like the whole slender Man thing, 11 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: but with women of She's coming for you with the 12 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: end of these games. So I feel like there's so 13 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: much uncovered ground that we could look over. We could 14 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: talk about. 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: Octobers here October is here. 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: Yes, but before we can do that, and yes, if 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: you have any suggestions, please let us know. In the meantime, 18 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: let us look back over the ones we've already talked 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: about in this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. 20 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm walking to Stefan Never Told You protection of iHeart Radio. 21 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: Okay, Annie, I really wanted to ask you this on 22 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: the last episode, and I forgot and was excited about 23 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: the movies because you know, we were talking about all 24 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: the legends, but have you ever gone on any of 25 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: the ghost tours that are offered, and or have you 26 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: gone on your own adventure in an where there's supposed 27 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: to be a folklore or a legend a haunt on 28 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: your own? 29 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: Yes, yes to all, Yes to all. Yes. As someone 30 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: who likes her, I have done a lot of ghost tours, 31 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: like Savannah and Louisiana coming to mind, because those are 32 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: kind of big around lots of ghost stories and lore 33 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: around those areas. I've done that. I think I did 34 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: some when I was in Europe and one when I 35 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: was in a cave system in Europe, and that's probably 36 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: the most afraid I've ever been. But I think I 37 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: had more to do with the caves unless the ghost. 38 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: And then, like I said, I I do like scary things, 39 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: so I have. I have a friend Katie who's been 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: on the show, and she also likes scary things. And 41 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: I think we build each other up, like I think 42 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: sometimes word nothing is happening, we both convince each other 43 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: something is happening, right, so we're convinced we've seen a ghost, 44 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: even though like not even should I believe ghosts real? 45 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: But like when I was a kid. We convinced each 46 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: other we'd seen this ghost. We went like, we convinced 47 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: ourselves there's all kinds of haunted stuff in our woods. 48 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: And we would go and invest to gate and pick 49 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: up clues and find like a turtle with blood on it, 50 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: ghost like things like that turtle with blood. Oh the 51 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: turtle shell had blood on it. I still have it 52 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: freaked me out. And then we found a mailbox that 53 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: was buried and it just had these business cards that 54 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: said do as I say and not as I do. 55 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: And I was like, this is a murderer. 56 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: Things like that, and then I definitely there were some 57 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: urban legends around where I grew up, and one most 58 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: of them just involved like don't go into Dawsonville Forest 59 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: at night, but there was one where you would go. 60 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: Probably a lot of people have heard this, because I 61 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: think like any town that has the right hill for 62 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: this has tried it. But it was like you would 63 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: go and park on this hill and put yourself in 64 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: neutral and it would pull you upward or something. And 65 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: there's a scientific reason for why that works, but of 66 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: course there's also like ghost stories around why it works. 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: So I did that once, and I mean it was 68 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: pretty weird, but it didn't really scare me. 69 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: I was just like, oh yeah, So I don't typically 70 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: do like the Savannah a ward where they just care, 71 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: you know, you ride in a horse cart and they'll 72 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: tell you about buildings. 73 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: I didn't do that. Have I done those? 74 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: No, I've never done those because I'm like, it's just 75 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: getting on a horse. I'm looking at buildings, which is nice, 76 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: but I'm like, that's not a thing I want. Because 77 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: I for the longest time devoured every episode of ghost Hunter. 78 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and. 79 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: I would watch all those and it was hilarious because 80 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: like every time anything scary happened, there was nothing. 81 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: You could barely see anything. 82 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: And I was like, are like, rush, this is what 83 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: you're supposed to look at. I don't understand the investigation 84 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: party is you're staying. So I really was like, I 85 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: can do this, let me do this. And then like 86 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: there was another one I can't remember the name of 87 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: the show. I loved him and he would actually travel 88 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: around the world, but it would just be like finding that. 89 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: So if they would do you know, the whole finding 90 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: the Yetti in the Force in China, I know he 91 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: visited the suicide Forest in Japan for a while and like. 92 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: Did those things. It's super eery things. 93 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: But of course the night vision stuff made it even 94 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: every year still sea, so I was like, why am 95 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: I watching this? But you know that intensity. So I 96 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: was bound and determined, like I want to go to 97 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: these things. So for my birthday, two of my good 98 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: friends decided to purchase a ghost tour essentially a ghost walk, 99 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: which happened at night near Halloween because it was near 100 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: my birthday, so during the October September time. 101 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: And it's in Roswell, Georgia. 102 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: So for those of you who do not know the 103 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: area very well, Roswell, Georgia is one of the small 104 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: mill towns that actually never burned down during the Civil 105 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: War when Sherman marched through it was salvage, so the 106 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: mills still exists and the older buildings still exist, so 107 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: a lot more history there than pretty much all of Georgia. 108 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: Because it was burned down sadly enough. 109 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,559 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, it happened, it had to happen, 110 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: but all of those to say, we don't have a 111 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: lot of historical things, and the mills of Roswell remains, 112 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: so of course we get a good amount of tails 113 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: come from that area, which I love. So we did 114 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: a whole tour and I don't know, I don't think 115 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: this woman was an actress. Like she was definitely just 116 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: like dry talking about whatever's happening. So she was a historian, 117 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: but she was also very into the ghost world. So 118 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: she would take us on in the middle of the night, 119 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: not middle of the night, I guess, like eight eight pm, 120 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: seven seven eight pm, and it was super dark. Got 121 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: her flashlights. We had to have our flashlights, and we 122 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: toured around Roswell and at one point, like we went 123 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: by the mills and she told the story of a 124 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: young boy running out the door and her and her 125 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: crew witnessed it. 126 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 3: Of course, all of these different tales. 127 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: And at one point we were at a I want 128 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: to say it's a some kind of antique store. 129 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: So it was preserved and now antiques are there and 130 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 3: you could see them in the building. 131 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: And as she's pointing her flashlight up, which is a 132 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: gigantic flashlight, it starts flickering and doing the flashing, and 133 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: it like she kept hitting it, and she genuinely seemed annoyed, 134 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: but she wasn't like associating as it's a ghost story thing. 135 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: She just did this to the point that. 136 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 2: My friend and I looked at each other and started 137 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: backing away and looking out at the windows because she 138 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: was talking about seeing an old man in the window 139 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: whatever whatnot. And she was like, well, I guess I 140 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: need to neat new batteries. And then we talked to 141 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: four a minute and then walked away, and the flashlight 142 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: started working again, to the point that someone was coming up, 143 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: walking up on us, and she thought she knew them, 144 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: so she flashed. She pointed the flashlight of him and 145 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: teasing at him, and it turned out to be a 146 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: cop and he got very angry and yelled. 147 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: At him, my goodness. 148 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: The other scary part of the tour, like, oh, our 149 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: person was about to be arrested, but like she did 150 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: all of that. So for a few minutes, I was. 151 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: Like, did we were you were? Were you to encounter 152 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: a ghost or was she just like an actress? I 153 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know. So I did that one. 154 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: And then there was a whole legend that happens at 155 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: the University of Georgia. Of course, you know, you have 156 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: to have tons of legends at your schools, and it's 157 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: always someone who died by suicide was not found for 158 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: days later, Like, yeah, I know they did because we 159 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: did a comparison. But there was one because there at 160 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: one point in time there was a building and I 161 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: never understood this. And when I see anything like this anywhere, 162 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: because I've seen a couple, I get really freaked out. 163 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,119 Speaker 2: There was a stairwell that just went to a wall 164 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: and that was the end of it, and everybody's like, 165 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: what is this? And so the story was told that 166 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: it used to be a dormitory. An exchange student was there. 167 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: He had hanged himself and because everybody was on vacation, 168 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: no one saw him. But of course his corpse smelled 169 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: up the place, so they couldn't do anything about it. 170 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: So they just filled it off. Uh, And that's the 171 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: legend of that because no one can find the entrance. 172 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: And I've been there because we were like what is this? 173 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: And so of course we had that and then we 174 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: would try to find the spirit there. Find that spirit 175 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: though good, I know, I guess. 176 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: So that reminds me of when we did our episode 177 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: on the Winchester House. That's that feels very like Door 178 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: to Nowhere. 179 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: But we were all like, why does this exist. What 180 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: is this? 181 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: It's probably something very simple, I mean to be honest, 182 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: They're like, is this and it was cheaper to do 183 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: this because it's damaged? 184 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, yeah, fine ruin our ghost stories. I did 185 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: go to I went to the Stanley Hotel, which is 186 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: what The Shining's based on. I went during July because 187 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: it's only open, just like in the movie, the snow 188 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: is get so bad you can only get there in July, 189 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: I think. And it was really really funny because we 190 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: did a tour of it and the very kind tour 191 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: woman went out of her way to just be like, 192 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: there are no mean ghosts here, only nice ghost I 193 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: don't know what Stephen King, I don't know what happened 194 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: to him that night. I think he was just stressed. 195 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: But they are only nice ghosts. They just are children. 196 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: They like candy. You just I don't know. And it 197 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: was so funny because they kept and I get why, 198 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: because they were like, we want you to have a 199 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: good excuience. They have to know that, like everyone there 200 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: though Shining and like one person is like what hotels 201 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: and people would like. There's the Attic some part of 202 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: the movies based on it, and it has read just 203 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: people keep writing red rum on it. She was so annoyed. 204 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: She was like, it's not like that at all, and 205 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, stop, be smart our ghosts. 206 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: It was very very cute, honestly, all right. So all 207 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: of that is a lead into our part two on 208 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: women in urban legends from all around the world. If 209 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: you haven't listened to part one, go check that one out. 210 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: And just a really brief repeat of our disclaimer. There 211 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: will be some gruesomeness we've already touched on some so apologies. 212 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: Nothing to in depth though, and also, as we said 213 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: in the last one, we tried to get the best 214 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: sources we could. But these are urban legends, so by 215 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: nature it's hard to find like proof, and in fact 216 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: it purposely almost doesn't exist because they're an urban legend. 217 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: It's just a story people repeat over and over, usually 218 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: because of some morality tale or some lesson some anxietal 219 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: fear that we're having is anxietal a word. I just 220 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: made it one and in our society, so you know 221 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: that being said, all of these are just I mean, 222 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: mostly they're just stories that we tell and they do 223 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: like scaas and that's fun, but you know, not a 224 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: lot of facts in here. 225 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: Not too many facts. 226 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: Now, yes. And also we've done a bunch of past 227 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: episodes related to a lot of the stuff we're talking about. 228 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: We shouted those out in part one. You want to 229 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: listen to more, and you haven't heard those, go check 230 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: them out because we love these kinds of things and 231 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: we've talked about it a lot. So all right, So 232 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: I actually this one is an interesting one, but I 233 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: wanted to include it because one of my favorite things 234 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: about urban legends, and we talked about in the last EPISO, 235 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: so are these rules are things you can do to 236 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: protect yourself or bring favor or whatever it is. I 237 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: don't know why, but there's something about that that I 238 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: find really interesting, especially as we've said, I don't believe 239 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: in them, but I still don't want to mess with it. 240 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: So I just find that it's such an interesting piece 241 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: of human nature. So we're talking about the Mistress of 242 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: Copper Mountain. And I did have a lot of trouble 243 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: hunting down info in English for this one, even though 244 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: there are some fairy tales that you can find in Russian. 245 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: But I did want to include it because it has 246 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: a lot of contradictions and superstitions around it. The Mistress 247 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: of the Copper Mountain, also known as the Melchite Maid, 248 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: or also a lot of times referred to as the 249 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: ancestor or parallel of the ASoft Girl, is a mountain 250 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: spirit frequently associated with the Earl Mountains. The Copper Mountain 251 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: is the oldest mine in the Earl Mountains, and this 252 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: mistress is both beautiful protector and demonic punisher Yes yes. 253 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: In Slavic mythology, she is described as an extremely attractive 254 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: young woman with green eyes, a lizard crown, and a 255 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: malachite dress. Jewels and lizards feature very often in her story. 256 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: In some version, she's got like an army of lizards 257 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: that does her biddings. 258 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: Lizards. What is what those lizards? I know, people, we 259 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: had a lizard barely does a thing? 260 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: Huh it is? I can't wait till you watch the 261 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: silent Okay, yeah, anyway, So this mistress is viewed as 262 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: something like a saint for male miners and a protector 263 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: of mountain treasures, treasures she may allow the mining of 264 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: or not, depending on a lot of moral judgments she'll make. 265 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: The Mistress did not allow for other women in her domain, 266 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: men who longed for her patronage were not to marry. 267 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: She appreciated kindness, goodness, and skilled craftmanship and would reward 268 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: all of those things. But on the other hand, she 269 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: punished those that did not adhere to to her rules 270 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: and were unkind, and she would punish them with either 271 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: loss of luck or wealth, or even death, even death. 272 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: Children were told that making any loud noise near the 273 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: mountains would incur the Mistress's wrath because she didn't like 274 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: loud noises, which I find funny, right, because that's another contradiction, 275 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: because I feel like mining can get quite loud. I 276 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: can wrong, right, Yes, she quote brings woe for a 277 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: bad man, which, yeah, we talked about. That's a recurring 278 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: theme in a lot of these. 279 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: I'm not mad about it. 280 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. In nineteen thirty six, Pavel Bashov first 281 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: published The Malachite Box, which was the series of fairy tales, 282 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: and one of them featured the Mistress of the Copper Mountain, 283 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: a tale Bashov had grown up hearing. He went on 284 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: to include her in several other stories, and he claimed 285 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: that her story was a sign that miners just missed women, 286 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: and that she represented wealth and beauty. Many men sought 287 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: after in a partner. There was also an interesting essay 288 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: because there's been some research done on this legend. A 289 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: lot of it went over my head because I'm not familiar, 290 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: super familiar with Russian culture, but there's been some research 291 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: that she represented like Western beauty specifically, which was interesting. 292 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: The Earl Mountains do you have a long history of 293 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: being central to that region's industry, whether it was the 294 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: mining of jewels or later materials for the military, And 295 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: it makes sense that this story really took off, that 296 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: it took root and solidified itself in the national psyche, 297 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: that men working in the minds would hold on to 298 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: this idea of a beautiful woman who would keep them 299 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: safe if they were good and punish the bad, which 300 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you would never think was you mining it 301 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: was dangerous. Many miners died due to the conditions. Some 302 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: of even speculated that workers saw her as a defender 303 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: for their rights, even in the USSR and times like that. 304 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: Some think she is an embodiment of Christian values. Others 305 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: think that she has undeniably pagan roots. According to a 306 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,479 Speaker 1: paper written by Mark Lepovetsky, she represents three Fordian ideas. 307 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: Death drive because that's where she lives. Sex drive men's 308 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: desire for her, and castration anxiety are loss of power. 309 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: So again, there's just a lot going on in this 310 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: one kind of seemingly simple story, but there are reasons 311 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: these stories are created and get told over and over 312 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: and over again. 313 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: Right, that's interesting. 314 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: I like it though, mm hmmmm. It was really fascinating read, 315 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: and it made me want to look more into the 316 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: whole history of these mountains. And I was like, this 317 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: is a different podcast, You've got to start here, but 318 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: I was looking up like old mining charts did. 319 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: So we are going to talk about La Daman, y'all. 320 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: I'm struggle with the French and I really want to 321 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: make it Spanish, so I apologize beforehand. And she is 322 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: also known as the Woman in White, and yes, there 323 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: are several variations. 324 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: As we've already talked about this lore. 325 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: It it exists throughout different cultures, but for right now, we're 326 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 2: talking about the French lady. And actually within French culture 327 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: there are several versions of the Woman in White as well, 328 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: but there is a differentiation between women in White and 329 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: leis down blanche. But as with most folklores and legends, 330 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: there are a lot of crossovers and variations, so apologies 331 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: in advance if you think that we have messed it 332 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: all up. But this is what we saw, so this 333 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: is what we're going to talk about. But for this one, 334 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: the dome blanche are typically seen on bridges or by 335 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: bodies of waters, and then there are some versions that 336 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: also say they reside by caves, caverns, or ravines, so 337 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: good to know that too. And they are dressed all 338 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: in white and is in these locations like our fairy vampires. 339 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: That we mentioned before. They also love to dance. Dancing 340 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 3: is a big. 341 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: Portion to this, but in this instance it isn't a 342 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: way to put you in a trance. 343 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 3: But if you refuse her. 344 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: Or you try to stop before she wants to stop, 345 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: she's going to throw you into the water and drown you, 346 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 2: or have an animal come in and assist her to 347 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: make them eat you. 348 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, okay, so just dance. 349 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: It'll be okay. 350 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: You're just gonna need to dance. But where did they 351 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 2: come from? Well, yes, this is a great question because, 352 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: unlike many of the other legends, we don't have much 353 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: of a backstory for the dom Blanche. 354 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: They don't really have a really origin. 355 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: We don't know if she was spurned by a lover 356 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: or she was locked away from attending a ball because 357 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: this is what I'm imagining. So she loves to dance, 358 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: and unlike the other lady in white stories in France, 359 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: which apparently typically has the tragedy of an unfaithful husband 360 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: and the death of their children, which causes her to 361 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 2: lash out against other men and children, which is what 362 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: this lady in white does in France. So she goes 363 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 2: after I may cause an accident or some something for 364 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 2: them to get hurt or die. We don't have that 365 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: same backstory for this specific folklore. And they typically don't 366 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: have a preference in gender and just likes dancing. And 367 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: according to one side, it is complicated dancing, so I 368 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 2: don't know what you need to know ballroom dance or salsa. 369 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: I don't think you can break out with an eighties 370 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: Roger Rabbit dance. That would be great at that though, 371 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: But and you have to keep going until she is satisfied. 372 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: And one of the best known doms is La Dame 373 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: de Prickney, who actually, y'all, my friend is bad. I 374 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: just said, y'all, so I feel like, that's a reference 375 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: to how bad it is who actually likes to haunt 376 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 2: streets and not necessarily bridges. And according to one guide 377 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 2: about ghost travels, and I want to go to this 378 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 2: by the way, it states that quote, she has no 379 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: backstory and no history, but somehow a legend began of 380 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: her appearing on what is present day Ruth Saint Quentin 381 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: by you in the northwest of France, and that allegedly 382 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 2: she would greet those who would attempt to pass through 383 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: the narrower ravine with an extended hand, and it accepted 384 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: she would dance several rounds of the most elaborate dances, 385 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: keeping the human for extensive periods of time, before eventually 386 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 2: letting her partner go. 387 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 3: If it refused, however. 388 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: She would pounce onto her victim before throwing him or 389 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: her into the ditch filled with briars and thorns. 390 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: Ah. 391 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: Right, So it's a very. 392 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: Interesting kind of legend with no real backstory other than 393 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: they are the beautiful version of a troll out of bridge, 394 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 2: I guess. And instead of answering the riddles three you 395 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: have to dance elaborate dances, So I guess we're gonna 396 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: have to figure some of those things sound. So also, 397 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 2: while we're talking about women in specific colors, we can 398 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the Lady in Red just 399 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: for funzies. Yes, there are those legends with the lady 400 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: in red, and I believe we've. 401 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 3: Mentioned her in our episode in the Power of Red. 402 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: Like just kind of the whole stereotype and what it 403 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: often is in legends, except there's a version, and it's 404 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: just the typical version. There's no real like area that 405 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: they haunt necessarily, but if you go there's lists on 406 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: lists on list, and there's a lot in the US 407 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 2: that I've noticed that there are either a jilted lover 408 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: or a prostitute who was killed in a fit of passion, 409 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: or sometimes just a vain woman in red, which we've 410 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: heard that concept of like oh, she's looking at herself, 411 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: the red lipstick type of thing. And then when she appears, 412 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: she's either dressed all in scarlet or in a blood 413 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: red dress, or she's covered in blood sometimes and that's 414 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: what makes it red, right, And it's typically the ghost 415 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: who appears throughout different cultures, but not necessarily do anything malicious. 416 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: Never been any real tales of them doing anything harmful, 417 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: but just likes to haunt specific places like again hotels 418 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: and theaters. 419 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I looked into that one, and I looked 420 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: into the Lady in White based on because that's the 421 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: first episode of Supernatural, right is the Lady in White? Yes, 422 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: woman in White? Yeah, And what I found basically was 423 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: a bunch of like very specific, unverified stories about hayecheckers 424 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: or like seeing them on the road, not even necessarily 425 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: hay checkers, but like seeing them by the side of 426 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: the road, and that's very common actually in a lot 427 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: of urban legends are just ghost stories, right. Yeah. So 428 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: that's pretty much all I could find as well. But again, listeners, 429 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: if you've got like a specific story or something you 430 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: want to add, please list. 431 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: It seems like the Lady in Red is nicer than 432 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: the Lady in White, so maybe we would rather see 433 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: the Lady in Red, which is not so much to 434 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 2: the Lady in White. 435 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: The Lady punish you men, she will make you do 436 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: some things, she's said, She's gonna make you feel feel 437 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: a certain way about it. Right, So I wanted to 438 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: talk about the narophon or narifan. Apologies in advance. We 439 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: did want to cover things from all around the world, 440 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: but that does mean the pronunciation might not be there. 441 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: And I tried to look up the pronunciation for this 442 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: and I could not track it down. And a lot 443 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: of this story was hard to track down as well. 444 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: But I did want to talk about it because when 445 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: I was reading about it just immediately caught my attention. 446 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: So the narifan are the makalifan. It's a type of 447 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: tree in Buddhist mythology that grows fruit shaped like young women. 448 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: They sprout from their heads and grow from there. And 449 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: this tree grows in the mythical forest at the Himaphon, 450 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: where local men cut them off and eat them. The 451 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: narifan also show up in the Vesataka, planted around the 452 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: place where the body satfa Vessentaura meditated. Whoof sorry again, 453 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: try I'm a best version of the tale, the Buddhist 454 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: god Indra had a home at the edge of the 455 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: forest with his wife Vesentara and their two children. Vesentara 456 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: couldn't enter the forest without being in danger of horrifying 457 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: male creatures, or in some versions of the story, just 458 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: lustful men who had acquired powers by meditating but were 459 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: still like lustful men, which I thought was a very 460 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: funny and terrifying commentary of like men are just monsters 461 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: in this case. Okay, So to protect her Injra planted 462 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: twelvenarifun trees that would grow fruit that looked like his 463 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: wife so that she could be safe while picking fruit. 464 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: The idea being the monsters Orman would pick the fruit 465 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: and take it home, thinking it was Vesentara and leaving 466 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: the real Vesentara alone. But they would take the fruit home, 467 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: have sex with the fruit, and consequently fall into an 468 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: enchanted sleep for four months and lose their powers. Over 469 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: the years, there have been a few news stories of 470 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: a purported discovery of the trees that grew fruits shaped 471 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: like women. You can buy a lot of markets around 472 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: there sell I mean generally fake, but yeah, you can 473 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: buy buy kind of like carvings or even fruit. There 474 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 1: are a few trees that are rumored to be ary 475 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: fun and several hoaxes around that. Narry Fun are very 476 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: prevalent in Thai culture. Yeah, they appear in comics sold 477 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: as gifts, popular amulet and charm. So it's another example 478 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: of kind of this story that is just really taken 479 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: heart in a particular place, which I also find fascinating yeah, 480 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: that's very fascinating. 481 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 2: Also, this kind of reminds me of with the short 482 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: stories that we had, and the birds were the women, 483 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: the birds worth of women. 484 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 3: It was one of the bloody tales. 485 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah mm hmm. 486 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 3: And he turned the women into birds. 487 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, way to keep them mm hmm. I do remember that. 488 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: That's what it reminded me of. 489 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 2: And for my last one, I decided to because y'all, 490 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: there's something about Japanese ghost stories that. 491 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: Scared the hell out of me. 492 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 2: So they for some reason, Like I just recently watched 493 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 2: Juan and it's so old and in comparison to a 494 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: lot of the other movies, and the effects are not 495 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: over the top, but it scared me, like to the 496 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: point that I. 497 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 3: Was like, I have to watch something else before I 498 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 3: can go to bed. 499 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: But I love them so much because they just to 500 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: me are extra eerie and I don't know what it 501 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 2: is about how they just make it seem like. But 502 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: because of that, we were returning back to another Japanese 503 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: ghost or Japanese legend, which is kushaki Ona or the 504 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: slit mouth woman, so super specific. Now, the spirit has 505 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: been around, according to one report, for over eight hundred years, 506 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: like people have been talking about it for a while. 507 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: I did see another report saying that it was started 508 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: around the seventeenth century. 509 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: So this is an old tale. And she is known 510 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: as on Rio on Neil. 511 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure this out, y'all, or a malicious 512 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 2: spirit and is often seen wearing a mask or some 513 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: type of face covering, and is often seen carrying around 514 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: a sharp object. 515 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 3: So it could be a. 516 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: Large knife, some say scissors, very long scissors, but she's 517 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: carrying something sharp. 518 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: And now her origin. 519 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: Story is a cautionary tale for the women to ay 520 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 2: not to be vain and b don't cheat, So those 521 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 2: two things co hand in hand. So this beautiful katushaki 522 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: Ona was married to a samurai and she was known 523 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 2: to be very vain. 524 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 3: But she was also very beautiful, so both of those things. 525 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: And one day, because she could, she cheated on her 526 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 2: husband at the time, and when he found out, yes, 527 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: he was very angry and enraged and gave her something 528 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 2: that is called the Glasgow smile. I didn't know there 529 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: was a name for this because obviously with the things 530 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: like the black Dahlia, we knew of this type of 531 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 2: crime and it seemed heinous to me at that point 532 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: in time as well, But okay, which is when someone 533 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: causes a scar because they cut into your face that 534 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 2: looks like a smile, yes, by cutting from ear to ear, horrifying, 535 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 2: And then he's turned around and said to her. 536 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 3: Who will think you're pretty? 537 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: Now? 538 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 2: Of course, in another version it is says that she's 539 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: cut up by another woman who is jealous of her 540 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: doing a medical procedure, and she is also, in these 541 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 2: legends sometimes given sharp teeth, which would scare the hell 542 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: out of me, to be fair, and now she haunts 543 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: people by asking them the same thing, do you think 544 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: I'm pretty? While wearing a mask? So if you run 545 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: into a beautiful Asian woman that says do you think 546 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: I'm pretty? That has a face covering, I would run away. 547 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: If they say no, she kills them with this sharp 548 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: object she is carrying. If they say yes, she'll take 549 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: her covering off to show her a scar and asks again, 550 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: and if they say no, she cuts their face and 551 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: kills them. 552 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 3: If they say yes, she cuts their face to match hers. 553 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: And I believe they also die. They didn't really say 554 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: in all those okay, now there is a way to 555 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: avoid being cut, so y'all, we're here to help you 556 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: run into this woman. Instead of saying yes or no 557 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: when she asks you if you think she's pretty, say 558 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: so so or average or you're okay, which will give 559 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: you some time to run away from her as she 560 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 2: is confused. Okay from this answer, yeah, I know, I 561 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: was like, what. Or you can try to throw some 562 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: money at her and that can work, or some hard 563 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: candies apparently it has to be a specific candy called 564 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: beco ame, which is a caramelized sugar candy from Japan. 565 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 2: So I guess we need to invest in some things. 566 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: Or perhaps saying the word palmade three times and I 567 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: don't understand why I try to find this one and 568 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: there's no reason behind it, and since palmad is typically 569 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 2: a French thing, so I was like that, okay, whatever. 570 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: Cool. 571 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 3: And according to Wikipedia. 572 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: Because you know, they have a lot more legends than some, 573 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: the first written mention of her didn't appear until nineteen 574 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: seventy nine. But again, the legend in itself has been 575 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: around for a while, and according to one telling of 576 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: this legend, there was a period of time not too 577 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: long ago. One said two thousand and seven when children 578 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: were being escorted in fear of this type of monster, 579 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: because there were records showing deaths of children that were 580 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: similar to this type of tale, saying that there was 581 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: a woman roaming around asking children things and then following 582 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: them home and murdering them essentially. 583 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: So again it's not saying. 584 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: That happened, and I don't know if that's true because 585 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: it was all from this legend site. So, but it 586 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: did put that in there, and it could be one 587 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: more of those again urban legends when we say my 588 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: cousin's sisters, friends, whatever type of conversation, so that. 589 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: That happened, but it did scar them enough that the day. 590 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 2: I actually did escort some of the children. Again, So 591 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: apparently Juan and the grudge and the ring were kind 592 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: of based on these legends. 593 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 3: You can see it. You can see the variation. 594 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not of the face and all of that, 595 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: but like the woman who cheated or who was found 596 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: to have cheated, all of that, and so the husband 597 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 2: murders them in like a brutal way, and she comes 598 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 2: and murders everybody else as well sometimes, So yeah, this 599 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: is kind of that basis. And if you ever see 600 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 2: any of the drawings again, some of the legends some 601 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: of the movies. It's pretty scary, Like it freaks me 602 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 2: out for sure. 603 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've seen I've heard of this one before, 604 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: and that like freaks me out. Oh all right, Well 605 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: for my last one, it's kind of a cheat because 606 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: I like to cheat here because it's. 607 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 3: Three Oh my god, Annie. 608 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: But they're related. They're related, so and they they're kind 609 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: of similar to what we talked about with law Urona 610 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: in the last one. But all right, we're talking about Pinegal, Lamatsu, 611 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: and Lamia. And let's start with Lamia. So you've probably 612 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: heard of this one. It was in It's been kind 613 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: of the name has been used for a lot of 614 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: things nowadays, and it was in like the horror movie 615 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: Drag Me to Hell. It's Lamia. But all right. In 616 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: Greek mythology, Lamia was the beautiful, highly sought after queen 617 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: of Libya and a mistress of Zeusus like a lot 618 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: of Zeus's mistresses, Haarah did not like her and punished 619 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: her by killing or kidnapping her children except for Syla, 620 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: and transforming Lamia into a monster that feeds on children 621 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: or in some versions, Zeus did that. Not only that 622 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: absolutely delighted in hunting and terrifying them, so she not 623 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: only was hunting them, but she liked it. In some versions, 624 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: she gouged her eyes at the loss of her children. 625 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: She gouged her eyes out and essentially lost her mind, 626 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: leading her to eat the children of others. In some stories, 627 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: Harrah actually has the body of a woman and the 628 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: of a serpent, and many descriptions. She never closes her 629 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: eyes so she can see the terror of her victims, 630 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: or she was cursed with insomnia essentially or never being 631 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: able to close her eyes, so yeah, and other versions 632 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: of the legend. Zeus granted Lamia the power of prophecy 633 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: and the ability to remove her eyes since she had 634 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: been cursed to never close them, so she would always 635 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: obsess over the death of her children in an attempt 636 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: to appease her like, I don't know about that, man, 637 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: I only that's enough. But anyway, on top of hungering 638 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: for the blood of children, Lamia also had a voracious 639 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: sexual appetite and enjoyed sucking the blood of men. She 640 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: was often painted as a deadly seductress and gave birth 641 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: to a class of supernatural demons. Her story and fear 642 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: around it has endured and evolved for thousands of years. 643 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: The word itself can sometimes yeah, refer to this whole 644 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: class of demons in which is so, sometimes it is 645 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: used for other things and creatures these days. But okay, 646 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: speaking of let's move on to La Mastu, or she 647 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: who erases, a demon that was often blamed for illness 648 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: during childbirth and miscarriages. She bore seven names, so she 649 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: was sometimes called the seven witches in Mesopotamian times. She 650 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: was a daughter of one of the greater gods Anu, 651 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: and she manifested as a creature with the head of 652 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: a lioness, with the ears and teeth of a donkey, 653 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: a hairy body, and clawed bird beat. She was believed 654 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: to cause all kinds of terrible things, like poisoning of water, tetanus, 655 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: destroying plants, causing nightmares, and a fever that would not 656 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: go away. She primarily targeted unborn children, though she was 657 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: said to sneak into the homes of pregnant women to 658 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: touch their stomach seven times to kill their children. She 659 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: would kidnap breastfeeding children and kill them by forcing them 660 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: to drink her own toxic breast milk. She sometimes murdered 661 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: the mother too, and feasted on the flesh and flood 662 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: of who may or may not have been the father. 663 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: They're just men in general. I think many wore amulets 664 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: to ward off Lamashetu Pazuzu, and yes, that one from 665 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: the Exorcist. The king of evil wind demons is often 666 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: depicted driving her back to the nether world. According to 667 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: one source I found, and it was a German source 668 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: from like seventeen hundred, so much later, so grain of salt. 669 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: There was even an incantation against the Mashtu Great is 670 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: the daughter of Heaven, who tortures babies. Her hand is 671 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: a net, Her embrace is death. She is cruel, raging, angry, predatory, 672 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: a runner, a thief. Is the daughter of Heaven. She 673 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: touches the bellies of women in labor. She pulls out 674 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: the pregnant women's baby. The daughter of Heaven is one 675 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: of the gods, her brother's with no child of her own. 676 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: Her head is a lion's head, her body is a 677 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: donkey's body. She roars like a lion. She constantly howls 678 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: like a demon dog. 679 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 2: Wooh. 680 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: And lastly, let's touch on the Malay figure of Pinagallen. 681 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't find much on her, but she sounds terrifying, 682 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: and the drawings that exist of her are terrifying. This 683 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: is a creature that takes the form of a woman's 684 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: head with long hair, and her intestines and spine trailing 685 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: behind her as she glides. She removes her head from 686 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: her body at night, and so it's just her, her 687 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: head and her spine and intestines floating around. A vampuric 688 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: creature smells like vinegar. Some say that panaglon is created 689 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: when a woman meditates and a vat of vinegar. That 690 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: perhaps a woman was once so deep in meditation that 691 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: when a man walked in and startled her, she jerked 692 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: so hard that she decapitated herself, leaving her body in 693 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: the vinegar, and that as a creature, she soaks her 694 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: organs in vinegar to make it easier to reattach them 695 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: after returning from hunting. In many of the stories about her, 696 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: she is the result of women practicing black magic, and 697 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: some it is a woman who seeks beauty by adhering 698 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: to a vegetarian diet for forty days. If she eats 699 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: meat before that time is past, she is cursed to 700 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: forever spend her days as a monstrous creature, eternally hungry 701 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: for the flesh and blood of pregnant women and children. 702 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: She might pose as a nanny or a nurse wife 703 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: during the day, then snatching a child with her invisible 704 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: tongue through a window or reaching up through the floorboards 705 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 1: with her intestines. Learn to keep her away, people would 706 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: lock windows and doors and board up any entry points, 707 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: like in the floor. Braver Folks might try filling her 708 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: body with glass, like if you can find the body 709 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: that she left behind, you fill it with glass so 710 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: that when she returns to reattach her head and everything, 711 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: she dies. But yeah, I thought it's just been interesting. 712 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: As we said, there's just these common themes throughout and 713 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 1: from these stories, there's just so much fear and misunderstanding 714 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: around illness and pregnancy and miscarriage and childbirth, which you know, 715 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: in ancient times people didn't know. I didn't know why 716 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: people were experiencing these things or how they worked. And 717 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I mean, it would be terrifying, and these 718 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: are the stories we told people came up with. But 719 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: it's pretty freaky. 720 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna have nightmares, but. 721 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 3: I'm also going to watch more movies. 722 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 2: But okay, to end it off, I thought we would 723 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about Bloody Mary and not necessarily 724 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 2: the origins, and we will tell a little bit about 725 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 2: that because I think people typically know, but everybody has 726 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: some type of I feel like this is one of 727 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 2: the bigger of the say it in the mirror shows 728 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 2: being type of thing. 729 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 3: Did you ever try this? 730 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: Yes, I think, as I said in the last one, 731 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: I did try it. And so for people, I mean, 732 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm assuming most people know what we're talking about, but 733 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: if you don't, it was like this game you would play. 734 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: It's been popularized in many movies and TV shows where 735 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: you would look in the mirror and you would say 736 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: bloody maror either three times or five times, depending on 737 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: the version you heard, and that if she would show up, 738 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: and it was usually like a dark haired woman and 739 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: in a white dress covered in blood. And for me, 740 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: for some reason, like if you did it and you 741 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: thought it worked, but you weren't sure, you were supposed 742 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: to get in the tub like say bloody Mary. Again, 743 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,919 Speaker 1: I don't remember, but I got in that tub because 744 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 1: I freaked out. I regretted it immediately. Did you do it? 745 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I just did the mirror version. Freaked myself out, 746 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: could not stand in the bathroom in the dark or 747 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 2: anyway with a mirror for the longest time because I 748 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 2: freaked myself out for so long, And of course it's 749 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 2: that whole idea. I know, different versions what was supposed 750 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 2: to happen. 751 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: Again, I thought she would appear behind you in the mirror, 752 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: and I recall thinking she was going to kill you. 753 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure why we were all about this, 754 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: but yeah. 755 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, mine was that she would appear and 756 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 2: come out of the mirror and kill you, like. 757 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,919 Speaker 3: You were gonna die, which is dumb, So why would 758 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 3: you try to die? 759 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: I think it's that fear because I was just like, 760 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: because I didn't really believe it, but it did scare me. 761 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it scared me. 762 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily not believe it, but I didn't necessarily like, 763 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 2: I didn't think too hard into it. But it scared 764 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 2: me to be in the dark in the bathroom with 765 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 2: the mirror because you could also see your own damn 766 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 2: reflection a little bit. That makes an even aerier. But 767 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 2: just so you know, it does originate to Queen Mary 768 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 2: and kind of some of the things that played into 769 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 2: who she was. What happened with her apparently includes like 770 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,439 Speaker 2: she had really bad minstrel pains. She apparently had thought 771 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 2: that she was giving birth to a baby but never did, 772 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 2: and she had symptoms of. 773 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 3: As if she was going to have a child. 774 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 2: She also was the daughter of King Henry, who she 775 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 2: you know, he did all he beheaded every woman essentially, 776 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 2: and then she was trying to like according to this, 777 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 2: they says she had daddy issues. I'm saying this for 778 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 2: them as in like she's trying to find affection through 779 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 2: other men because of the loss of love of from 780 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 2: her father. Of course, the Mary and Persecution happened underneath her, 781 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 2: which involved two hundred and forty men sixty women being 782 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 2: sentenced to the stake, and so she became Bloody Mary. 783 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 2: So she has a whole history and that's kind of 784 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 2: that origination. But honestly, that connection never made it to me. Yeah, 785 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 2: like it was so separate from this that it's like 786 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 2: what but there's different things like this could be this 787 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 2: and this is why. But she was nicknamed essentially Bloody 788 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 2: Mary because of all the persecutions she did against the Protestants. 789 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 3: But there you go. 790 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 2: I want to know, have any of y'all done this, 791 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 2: any of these things and. 792 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,439 Speaker 3: Nothing you've seen it? Because I think if you've seen 793 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 3: you die, but something weird. 794 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: Happened, Yeah, yeah, I mean the power of these stories 795 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: is amazing because if it's you know, bloody Mary, is 796 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 1: that old? And then I think I had a particular 797 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: and a lot of people do it was like not 798 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: her at all. It was a woman who had been 799 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: murdered and was looking for vengeance and right, just these 800 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: themes that we see over and over and over again. 801 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: But yes, listeners, if there's a story that you want 802 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: to share with us, legend we miss or anything as 803 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: we move into October that you want us to talk about, 804 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 1: please email us. You can do that at Stuff Media, 805 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: Momstuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can also find us 806 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: on Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You or on 807 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. 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