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Speaker 1: the area of Kansas City, Kansas, where most of this

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Speaker 1: of crime, violence, and decline, but it's a community that

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Speaker 2: My name is Nikia Hope.

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Speaker 1: Nikia runs a nonprofit in Kansas City that was inspired

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Speaker 1: by a man she's never met, her fifth great grandfather,

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Speaker 3: I can remember early, as like five or six, them

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Speaker 1: Back then, she wasn't really paying attention. As a kid,

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Speaker 3: It's just like, I'm just riding my bike and I'm

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Speaker 1: But as she got older, Nikia found herself drawn to

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Speaker 3: He's a a really young guy in the picture. He

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Speaker 2: The picture.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the photo of Nikiya's fifth great grandfather.

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Speaker 1: Now he's a black man wearing a white dress shirt,

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Speaker 3: you know, life is well, and it's like, but life

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Speaker 1: Because Robert Monroe wasn't born a freeman.

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Speaker 3: He was a slave in a corn plantation in Clay County, Missouri.

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Speaker 1: But in the winter of eighteen fifty six, he hatched

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Speaker 1: native community who came together to help black people escape slavery,

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Speaker 1: create a better future. I'm Nicki Richardson from the teams

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Speaker 1: at Novel and iHeart Podcasts. This is the Girlfriend's Untouchable

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Speaker 1: Bonus Episode one, The freedom Seekers of Kansas City. The

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Speaker 3: Abandoned is the best word I could use to describe you.

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Speaker 3: If anyone was to go there today, you would just

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Speaker 3: There are a few signs, but those signs are so

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Speaker 3: They're like bullet holes through those signs. But the area

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Speaker 2: Missouri was a slave state, Kansas was a free state.

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Speaker 3: They were the first here in the first to kind

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Speaker 3: Family was adopted by the Windote people, and that's how

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Speaker 2: Bring our family over later.

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Speaker 1: Working as a community was at the very heart of

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Speaker 2: It means bundle of sticks.

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Speaker 3: One stick by itself is easy to break, but you

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Speaker 1: It was a town founded on the basis of working

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Speaker 1: What led Quindero to go from being an oasis for

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Speaker 1: Hope opened up Old Quandero House, a museum created to

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Speaker 1: but when it was open, Nikia and her family stewarded it.

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Speaker 3: My favorite space in the house was the room that

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Speaker 1: Western University began as a freedman's school, an institution designed

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Speaker 1: It was founded in eighteen sixty five, less than ten

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Speaker 3: It's so cool to kind of have so many pictures

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Speaker 3: the Jackson Jubilee, which was a singing group. They had

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Speaker 3: kind of just see that progression. It's probably my favorite

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Speaker 1: But that's what it is. History. Because the university didn't last.

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Speaker 3: It actually closed down in nineteen forty before, and I'm

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of loitering and people were vandalizing,

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Speaker 1: Things continued to go downhill in the community from there.

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Speaker 1: The construction of the highway essentially cut Quandero off from

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Speaker 3: We were kind of trapped. On one side, we're trapped

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Speaker 1: And that deterioration made the community lose value in the

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Speaker 3: By the time we get to the seventies, they're surveying

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Speaker 2: They're like, it makes for a good landfield.

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Speaker 1: But the people of Quandero refused to let that happen.

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Speaker 3: They came together, they had a meeting, and they went

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Speaker 3: that's a no for us. So they established Concerned Citizens

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Speaker 1: From the outside, it looked like empty land, but there

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Speaker 1: But while the community has a rich history, it's long

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Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, Quandero was designated a National Commemorative Site

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Speaker 1: Roger Gulupski, a man who would change our perception of

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Speaker 2: I got you, I got you, I got you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you're from. Maybe you live in

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Speaker 3: I am a person who understands that things can be

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Speaker 3: I understood growing up that drugs were a problem. I

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Speaker 1: It's one thing for us to criticize our hometown, but

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Speaker 1: It's about a community that bundles together to see each

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Speaker 3: So if we've seen a cousin or an uncle who

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Speaker 3: like an outsider. It was like, Hey, go take your

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Speaker 1: But I won't lie. Sometimes it was scary growing up

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Speaker 1: I didn't always feel safe, and neither didn't Akiya.

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Speaker 2: I saw the crime because I lived there.

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Speaker 2: It kind of flew right over my head. Literally.

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Speaker 3: There were times where I would be in my house

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Speaker 3: You would assume it's been this way forever. It's never

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Speaker 2: There's so much room for growth.

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Speaker 1: And one of the areas for growth Nikiya can envision

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Speaker 3: My dad had been harassed by Roger Gallupski several times,

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Speaker 1: Really, for a generation of people living in Kuandero, Glupski

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Speaker 2: I found out that he died.

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Speaker 3: I think my biggest hope was that people wouldn't give up,

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Speaker 2: It's not just him, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to get people to believe that change is

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Speaker 3: What I'm still hoping is that people internalize and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: How was it able to run this move? Who's backing him?

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Speaker 3: Who's being quiet? It kind of goes back to kind

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Speaker 1: And looking back at our community's radical history to inspire

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Speaker 3: It is really hard to get people to buy in

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Speaker 2: There's so much going on.

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Speaker 3: People are having to work more, be away from their kids, more,

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Speaker 3: But I think my biggest fear is by the time

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Speaker 1: Because who do we become when we're so desperate to

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Speaker 3: I kind of hate this whole like let's start overthing

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Speaker 1: And to the question that so many people have asked her,

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Speaker 2: Why can't we just fix the bad thing?

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Speaker 3: My father is gonna be buried in the old Ndero Cemetery.

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Speaker 2: I'm always gonna go there.

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Speaker 1: by Gelupski's abuse.

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Speaker 2: I think it was really courageous.

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Speaker 3: He had gone like unchecked for so long that I

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Speaker 3: thought it was extremely courageous for people to just start saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: what do you know? You know what happened to you?

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Speaker 3: It's courageous for people to share that, but also for

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Speaker 3: people to decide we're gonna do something about it. And

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Speaker 3: I think it's core that is quendero, like we're gonna

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Speaker 3: be a bundle of sticks for each other.

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Speaker 1: In the next episode of The Girlfriend's Untouchable, my friend

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Speaker 1: Khadija will be taking the reins as we discuss how

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Speaker 1: to heal in the aftermath of trauma.

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Speaker 3: I got a ton of cause and it's just like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not Jesus' baby, I'm not Moses.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you want me to do ye

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Speaker 2: all of this?

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Speaker 3: How do you set these boundaries that don't retraumatize yourself

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Speaker 3: while you're trying to help other people.

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Speaker 1: The Girlfriend's Untouchable is produced by Novel for iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 1: For more from Novel, visit novel dot Audio. The show

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Speaker 1: is narrated by me Nicki Richardson. It was written and

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Speaker 1: produced by Rufaro Masarua. The editors were Leona Hamid and

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Speaker 1: Joe Wheeler. Our assistant producer is Mohammed Ahmed. The researcher

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Speaker 1: is Zaiana Yusef. Production management from Shari Houston and Joe Savage.

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Speaker 1: The fact checker is Findel Fulton. Sound design, mixing and

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Speaker 1: scoring by Daniel Kimpson with additional engineering by Nicholas Alexander.

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Speaker 1: Music supervision by Rufro Masarua, Nicholas Alexander and Joe Wheeler.

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Speaker 1: Original music by Amanda Jones. The series artwork was designed

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Speaker 1: by Christina Limpol. Novel's Director of development is Selena Metta.

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Speaker 1: Willard Foxton is Novel's creative director of Development. Max O'Brien

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Speaker 1: and Craig Strachan are executive producers for Novel. Katrina Norvell

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Speaker 1: and Nikki Etour are the executive producers for iHeart Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and the marketing lead is Alison Cantor. Special thanks to

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Speaker 1: Will Pearson and his special thanks to Carley Frankel and

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