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Sitting across from me as always the 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.240 senior writer, Jonathan Strickland. He was an old man who 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.680 fished alone in the skiff in the Gulf stream and 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:26.120 he had gone eighty four days now without taking a fish. Okay, then, 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:30.000 obviously the first line to two thousand one A Space Odyssey, 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.680 I thought that was the uh the intro to Game 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:40.840 of Thrones. Yes, yes, fish is coming all right? So, uh, 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:46.679 we're actually a dark picture? Are are still sharp? Our 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.880 episode today comes courtesy of a listener, and this one 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:55.320 is a message from Twitter. So let's hear that tweeting 0:01:55.440 --> 0:02:00.600 sound effect. I think I actually heard our producers say, 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.880 do do do out there? Tet it tweet tweet tweet lovely. 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.160 I hope that. I hope that's what we use. Anyway, 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:10.520 I won't know until I get to listen to this later. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:14.399 But this comes to us from Wayne P. Seventy two, 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:16.760 who says, I would love to hear a show on 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:21.040 old tech that won't go away. I E the facts. Well, 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.480 we are going to do an episode about that, but 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:30.840 not one on just the facts. I wanted to do that. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.960 You know, we might get sued I was wondering. I 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:34.919 was looking at him like, is he gonna do it? 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.720 He's not our guy Friday. So anyway, we are going 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.680 to talk about technology that a lot of people feel, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.760 or at least some people feel, or at least we 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.840 at tech stuff feel has run its course and yet 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.320 it's still around. Yes, and is one of those. So 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.400 we actually had a couple that we thought about that 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.440 we ended up deciding not to include in this list, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.280 but we should go ahead and mention them. But because 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.560 a couple of years ago they may have made the list, Yeah, 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.600 that's true. And it's funny because right before we were 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.440 we were going to record, we were talking about how 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.720 we had done an episode on abandoned ware, which is 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:15.120 stuff that, uh, people just give up on. Yeah, usually 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.440 it's a company that gives up on it, but yeah, 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.919 it's the stuff that people no longer even bother using 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.679 and it's just sort of part of history. This is 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.720 the opposite this people will not let go of. And 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.639 the two that we were thinking of that we did 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.360 not include because we just feel that they've both kind 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.760 of faded away enough so that it's a very small 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.600 percentage of people that still hold onto These are pagers, 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.280 which you know, sometimes some people like people, especially folks 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.760 in like the medical field or whatever. We'll still use them, 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.800 but pages have pretty much been replaced by cell phones 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:54.720 and smartphones, and p d as also replaced primarily by smartphones. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.000 Personal digital assistance, not public displays of affection. Those will 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.280 never go out of style smoogy smodgy. So those are 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.040 the two that we almost included but didn't because we 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.080 feel that there's just not enough of a population supporting 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:11.240 them to merit being on this list. Ye. Well, so, uh, 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.920 since Wayne brought this up, we probably should go ahead 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.480 and start with fax machines. And yeah, I mean the 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.200 fax machine still used in many many offices. You still 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.440 see people's facts numbers. You know, there's one out there 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.160 in the office. I've actually used it quite a few times. Yep, yep. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.560 But the thing is, I mean, well, it uses you know, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.240 of course, it uses a similar imaging technology to a 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.000 scanner or a copier machine. Um, there's nothing really wrong 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.279 with it. It Uh, you know, it has a modem 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.000 that that's the that's part of the problem. I think 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.400 it has a mote a minute and uh, you know 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.800 when you when you scan some stuff and it saves 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.960 it in memory. These days it does anyway. You don't 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.400 have to put it in one page at a time, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.520 although you used to, um where you put it on 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.279 there and it would It dials a number and makes 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.400 a connection with the fax machine on the other side, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.680 just like you, uh with a dial up internet connection. Um. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.800 You know, there's a handshake between the two devices. They 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.640 agree on the protocol and it says, okay, go ahead 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.960 and send your whatever message this is going to be. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.360 And uh, you know, the facts either takes the information 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.039 from memory or it scans each page individually and sends 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:24.240 it along down the line really slowly. Receiving machine receives 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:28.640 that information, decodes, it changes it into the type of 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.480 information it needs in order to print prints to some paper, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.640 and then you have the facts on the other end, 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.240 which somebody puts in a tray and it never gets 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:38.800 to the person that's supposed to Did you ever have 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.280 to use a facts machine that had a roll of 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.720 paper as a basted individual sheets. Yeah, they had the 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.320 thermal printers and of course that that just curls up. Yes, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:53.239 also it's coated with Yes. I do not miss those days. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.920 So today, what will we do instead. Right, What we 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.800 could do is, let's say we have a scanner and 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.240 we a scan a document in and send it via 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.919 change it over to say a PDF format, which is 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.480 readily available. It's easy to find a reader for PDF, 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.480 a lot of free reader a free reader, and a 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.680 lot of word processing programs and things are capable of 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.280 reading a PDF file and uh, you just send that 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.320 via email and you don't have to worry about wasting 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.800 paper or any of that mess or if say a 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.320 facts machine is busy with a with a call, then 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.440 you won't get a rejection and have to try it again. 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.960 That's another thing that can be kind of irritating with 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.000 sending a fact. Let's say you've got like a twenty 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.120 page facts and you start going through and you don't 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.360 know until it's gone through all twenty pages stored in 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.040 a memory and tried to send it that it didn't 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.719 go through successfully. Maybe you didn't put in the number correctly, 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.680 maybe the machine on the other end is not turned 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:54.360 on properly, or it's or it's busy, and then you 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.920 have to try and do it again. Yes, it's so irritating, 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.960 but then you know, yeah, scanning it and sending it 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:06.000 by via PDF. Much much more paper friendly anyway, you 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:07.960 don't have to worry about wasting so much paper, and 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.640 also it's not so time consuming. That being said, I 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.560 still facts things because often some of the conferences I 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:18.080 go to request that they send credentials, and I have 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.720 to send them via fax. Uh, not all of them 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.920 except email. Plus, depending upon your access to a scanner 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.000 or a copier that can have scanning functionality, you may 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.520 not have that luxury. So I think fax machine is 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.400 kind of borderline on this. Because there is technology out 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.960 there that can do stuff that would replace the fax machine. 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.640 I don't know that it's propagated widely enough yet for 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:47.080 it to really happen, especially for small businesses. For large businesses, 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.520 almost all of them have some sort of scanner or 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.040 copier that can can replace a fax machine. I think 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:57.280 we're on the verge of this. This Beaten a technology 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.960 that's like that, but it's uh, it's far enough along 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.120 the way that you could you could make the argument. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.920 I think it's a valid a valid argumentum to include 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.240 it on this list. But there's some other stuff I 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.200 think that that merits that hit me with one. Well, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:16.640 this one is also on the verge landlines. Yeah, landlines. Again, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:21.360 more and more people are abandoning a landline in favor 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.440 of just having a cell phone because you know, for 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.000 one thing, a lot of people don't want to have 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.200 to deal with two different phone bills or have like 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.200 something packaged up where they have fewer choices. You know, 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.079 there are a lot of services out there that will 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:41.360 package a cell phone and landline, uh uh, offering right 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.200 where you can get with a bundle. Yeah, you can 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.800 get bundled, but then you are limited to whatever options 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.400 they have. You don't you can't just go out and say, oh, 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.920 I happen to really love this one particular phone, I 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.839 want that to go with this plan. That's not the 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.200 way that works. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.760 think you see that primarily from companies that offer both 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.439 land lines, and you know that you don't see a 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.200 lot of cell phone providers going, hey, you know what, 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.760 we're gonna get into the landline business. Yeah, it's not well, 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.320 it's kind of hard to edge into that. But yeah, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.280 landlines are starting to kind of disappear. Now. There are 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.440 some legitimate reasons why keeping a landline around is not 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.000 a bad idea, Like emergency calls. Emergency calls is a 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.760 big one because your call can be traced to your 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.640 location very easily over a landline, so that let's say 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.680 there's an emergency where you can't even vocalize maybe, which 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.559 can happen sometimes dialing an emergency number, that's all you 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.760 might be able to do. Well with a landline, they 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.760 are going to be able to find you. With a 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.280 cell phone or smartphone, they may not be able to 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.760 get your location as accurately as they could with over 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:48.200 a landline or even a voipe line. You'll find out 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.280 that a lot of voice services have issues with calling 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.240 emergency services. That being said that you can usually get 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.200 a landline phone and plug it into any outlet and 0:09:58.200 --> 0:09:59.959 it will still allow you to make an emergency call 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.120 even if you don't have a landline account, so you 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:04.839 can still make a call to it well in the 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.360 United States of a call to nine one, for example, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.199 UM and the UK, that number is a really really 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.400 long one according to the I T Crowd and you 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.920 have to sing it to a song. But anyway, uh yeah, 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.600 I know. It's it's an episode that anyone who's watched 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.800 the I T Crowd will get that. Anyone who hasn't 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.560 you should go watch the I T Crowd because it's 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:29.400 awesome or the crowd if you prefer anyway. The the 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:34.960 other reason besides for emergencies is uh is that it's 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:39.760 something that if there's a power outage on cell service, 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:44.120 you haven't you have an alternate means of communication. So 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:48.040 not just personal emergencies, but regional emergencies. It's a good 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.680 thing to have. That being said, I think there it 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.120 is more common to run into people who have just 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:59.360 adopted the cell phone only approach. I mean, my household 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.840 is that way, so yeah, I can take it with 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.679 you and you know, you you have your phone no 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.760 matter where you are, so when you're at home, you 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.320 have your phone. Well then, and the phone itself is 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.959 really for a lot of people, myself included, it's it's 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.880 transitioning into a device that I used to access the 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.440 Internet more than I used to for voice communication, because 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.760 almost all my communication now, or a lot of my 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:30.360 communication now is through text messages, email, and social networking services. 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.520 It's it's you know, I usually make two or three 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.160 calls a day, but they're very short and they're usually 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.160 between me and my wife, um, mostly me apologizing for 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.880 something stupid I've done. I'm sorry, baby, that's all every 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:48.960 single conversation starts. It's amazing. I've actually heard one side 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:53.160 of that conversation before. Ye. Well, yeah, it's not a 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:58.040 rare thing. So so do you have a list about 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:05.280 this calculators adding machines because computers do it, smartphones do it. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.840 I mean, you've got a lot of calculators built into 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.000 other devices, So to see a standalone calculator is kind 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.520 of interesting in the sense, you know, we have that, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.120 we have the technology at our fingertips almost all the time, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.679 So why do we need stand alone calculators apart from 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.880 scientific calculators, which I meant a lot of a lot. Again, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:27.920 a lot of computers and smartphones can do that. You 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.880 just have to get the apps for it. But I 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.160 can understand someone wanting one of those as opposed to 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:38.640 a phone. And there's certain applications where I can I 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.520 can be a little more lenient. For example, let's say 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.520 that you are in a university class and you have 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.360 a final, and you're allowed to have a calculator next 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:53.080 to your your work on your final. You might not 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.360 be allowed to have a smartphone because you might use 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.320 the smartphone to cheat. Right, So in that case, I 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.600 can that's that's a speci a thic case where I'm like, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.040 all right, I understand that. But for a lot of 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.400 the things that we use calculators for, either a calculator 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.320 program on a computer or smartphone or a spreadsheet can 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.120 do all of that work. Sometimes in a way that's 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.880 much easier because you can do things like in a spreadsheet, 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.440 you can copy and paste formulas so that you don't 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.360 have to keep entering in the same thing over and 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.680 over for different calculations. You just you just cutting paste 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:27.320 or copy and paste rather not cutting paste. Um. So 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.079 to me, though, that's another old technology that I'm surprised 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.319 is still around, at least in the at the level 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.480 that it's still around. How about you got another one? Well, um, 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:44.040 to stick with our earlier topic, the phone book. Ah, yes, 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.679 the yellow pages. Why why does that exist? Why are 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:52.280 we killing trees? Well, because not everyone has access to 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:58.640 the you know, the Internet, although you could argue that 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.040 they would also have access to it, um, you know, 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.560 by calling and you know, checking in with directory assistance. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.679 I think though that, you know, I think that's a 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.680 safe argument for printing the phone book Now the question 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.240 is do they need to here in the United States. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:15.640 I don't know how they do it everywhere else in 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.280 the world. Here in the United States, at least where 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.600 we are, they deliver a phone book to everybody's house. Yes, 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.400 there should be an opt out, Yes, what it would 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.920 be nice to have people, uh opt in, So yes, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.480 I do want the phone book, or really an opt 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.120 out would probably be better. But that way you can 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.000 start with. Yeah, that way you could say, you know, 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.000 I've got the Internet, I can look up stuff on 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.920 their Uh, I've got all the numbers I need of 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.760 the friends I have. Um, a lot of my friends 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.520 aren't listed in the phone book, you know, they don't 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:49.720 want to be listed there. So the businesses almost all 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.760 have some sort of web presence need that they don't. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.880 There are a lot of online directories that take the 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.360 place of Yellow Pages. So yeah, that's one of those 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:01.000 things where I think I would love to not see that. Now, 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.440 it does raise the question that if we were to 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.160 enact that, we being christened myself, you know, because we 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.560 have that kind of power. So tech stuff enacts this 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.240 thing where we were able to opt out of the 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:18.680 Yellow Pages delivery. If enough people opted out. Then would 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:23.000 that change the economy of scale of producing the Yellow 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:27.120 Pages so that producing a fewer amount for for the 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.800 people who stay in is actually more expensive per book, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.440 and therefore it becomes a problem, uh to fund the 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.920 printing of the Yellow Pages. Yeah, yeah, well, of course 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.160 part of the we make it up in volume is 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.560 what I'm saying. Part of the part of the problem 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.840 there is that the Yellow Pages makes its money from advertising. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.040 UM those those big ads that did you see on 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.040 different places for you know, when you go look up 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.960 the plumber or or somebody else moving company and you 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.120 see the full page ads they paid, you know, to 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.800 reach a certain number of people. All we're going to 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.240 print two million copies of this Okay, maybe that that's 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.120 kind of large. There. We're gonna print five thousand copies 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.560 of this, UM and so your your ad is going 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.000 to be there in everyone's home that we deliver this 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.880 to UM. If they said, okay, well we're only going 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.640 to print ten thousand of these books for people who 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.520 really need them, then they advertise they can't command that 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:26.200 kind of price. So you know, I don't think we're 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.240 going to be able to talk him out of dropping 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.440 them off on our door because I promptly put them 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.880 in the recycle bin. But yeah, so here's here's a 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.360 similar thing to that, you know, in the sense that 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.760 you know, I know the reason why they're still around. 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:43.720 But it's kind of again a dying thing. CDs that 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.320 you need to install programs. Yes, and they're and they're 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.800 really similar when you get right down to it. Um. 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.600 In both cases, not everyone has the technology they need 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:58.600 to get the information an alternate way. But but yeah, 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.040 for a lot of people, they're ying computers now that 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.840 may not even have an optical drive, so there's no 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:09.120 use for that CD. It's just it's d or DVD. Yeah, 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.560 it's just taking up space because there's no way to 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.040 put that in your machine. You what you would need 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.239 is some sort of USB drive or you would have 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.960 to connect to the internet and download whatever drivers you 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.200 might need for something, as opposed to having a CD 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.720 for it. And um, I would love to see thumb 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.960 drives take the place of those, just for saving space. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.440 Plus the fact that if you can wipe whatever is 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.320 on that thumb drive off if you don't need it, 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.080 then you've got some extra storage space. I'm not saying 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.040 that I do that frequently, I'm just saying I've got 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:46.160 a lot of thumb drives. Yeah, yeah, with a lot 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:50.040 of logos on them. Well, that we're getting towards the 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.719 end of my list, to the point where, um, I've 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.680 I've got it. I've got more on here. But those 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.560 are the things that we talked about so far. Um 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.840 are I think is that we sort of think about that, Um, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:04.560 you know, man, why do people have that? Then you 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.520 realize that, well, really there are quite quite a number 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.119 of people that still depend on those. More of those 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.080 because I have CDs and DVDs in general, Yeah, I 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.760 think fall into that category. Uh, and even blue rays 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:22.560 at some to some extent, um, I think these are 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.800 not as far along, say the Yellow Pages, but um yeah, 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.240 I mean, and a lot of companies are very concerned 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.640 about the fact that these are technologies that are slowly 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:39.200 becoming obsolete and uh, digital distribution is becoming the the 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:43.920 like buzz phrase for entertainment, uh, and that that causes 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:50.239 concern for multiple industries. Right. Well, Netflix, it's awesome. Well, 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.879 the thing is, though, they tripped on it because on 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.240 this very thing, because they were ready to move to 0:18:55.680 --> 0:19:00.000 digital digital distribution. People aren't ready. People are not ready yet. Yeah, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.760 there is a balance you have to strike between pushing 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.800 people toward a new technology and writing out the waves 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.760 so that you don't alienate your customer base. Right, But 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.159 the people I think, or the organizations that I think, 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:13.840 are really concerned with this. You have the m p 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.679 a A, the r i a A. So that's the 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.400 Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association America. 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.040 So you've got these two different major organizations that have 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.359 lots and lots of really big companies in them, and 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.320 they're very much concerned about this because they make a 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:34.280 lot of money selling physical media, actual physical products that 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:41.080 have content on them, whether they're movies, television shows, music, whatever, books, books. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.639 So moving from that to a digital one scares a 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:49.119 lot of companies for legitimate reso. We're not saying that there. 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.480 They shouldn't be scared. Um. And then you've got retail organizations. 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.000 So we've already seen in the United States several retail 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.240 organizations in the last few years go belly up becau guys. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.560 They cannot compete with the digital distribution method. You know, 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.000 it's hard to find a record store anymore. Right, you 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.520 walk into a Best Buy and suddenly all the music 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.080 and movies aren't front and center like they used to be. 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.080 You know, it used to be that as soon as 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.119 you walked into the store, all of that was front 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.880 loaded right there at the very beginning of the store, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.719 so you had to walk through it. Well. As digital 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.400 distribution gets more and more popular, that section moves further 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.040 and further back in the store. And there's a reason 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.080 for that. It's because you can't have that be the 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.600 focus of your store when that whole business model is 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:40.680 starting to deteriorate. So I put that along the same 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.920 lines as the installation CDs and the Yellow Pages. It 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.199 is just it's not quite far as far along. I 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:50.000 mean again, if you don't have a broadband connection, then 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.479 physical media is the way to go, because you just 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.320 you cannot physically get the information you need to be 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.560 able to watch the content or listen to the content 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.080 you want at a good enough quality, Otherwise you're gonna 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:04.439 be buffering every thirty seconds. Trust me, I know what 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:10.240 I'm talking about. Until recently that was me. Yeah. Um. 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.040 Then there are other technologies that I think kind of 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:17.200 died out and then came back. Well, there's one that 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.440 that needs to go, especially here in the United States. 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.439 Hit me incandescent light bulbs. It's a good one. I 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.160 didn't have that on my list. Yep, the the good 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:32.240 old light bulb that has its roots in um Edison's 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.280 and other people's work. A lot of people say that 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:38.280 Edison didn't actually invent the light bulb. Um he improved 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.359 upon a design. Yeah, well he was instrumental though, and 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.760 getting it into our homes without Without him, whenever we 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.560 had a bright idea, we'd have no way of putting, uh, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.000 some sort of indicator around our heads to let people 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:51.760 know we had a bright idea. Yeah, you know, you 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:55.439 don't he didn't hear that little pinkish and the little 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:57.920 light bulb over be like it would be like something 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:04.040 like you know, a tweet anyhow. Um, yeah, they I 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.600 mean they use a lot more electricity, they give off 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:10.919 a lot more heat. Um was you know, wasted energy. Uh. 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:14.000