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That's Hover dot com slash tech stuff. 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to tech Stuff. My name is 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: Chris Polette. And I am an editor at how Stuff 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: works dot com. Sitting across from me as always the 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: senior writer, Jonathan Strickland. He was an old man who 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: fished alone in the skiff in the Gulf stream and 25 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: he had gone eighty four days now without taking a fish. Okay, then, 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: obviously the first line to two thousand one A Space Odyssey, 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: I thought that was the uh the intro to Game 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: of Thrones. Yes, yes, fish is coming all right? So, uh, 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: we're actually a dark picture? Are are still sharp? Our 30 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: episode today comes courtesy of a listener, and this one 31 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: is a message from Twitter. So let's hear that tweeting 32 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: sound effect. I think I actually heard our producers say, 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: do do do out there? Tet it tweet tweet tweet lovely. 34 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: I hope that. I hope that's what we use. Anyway, 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: I won't know until I get to listen to this later. 36 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: But this comes to us from Wayne P. Seventy two, 37 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: who says, I would love to hear a show on 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: old tech that won't go away. I E the facts. Well, 39 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: we are going to do an episode about that, but 40 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: not one on just the facts. I wanted to do that. 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: You know, we might get sued I was wondering. I 42 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: was looking at him like, is he gonna do it? 43 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: He's not our guy Friday. So anyway, we are going 44 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: to talk about technology that a lot of people feel, 45 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: or at least some people feel, or at least we 46 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: at tech stuff feel has run its course and yet 47 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: it's still around. Yes, and is one of those. So 48 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: we actually had a couple that we thought about that 49 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: we ended up deciding not to include in this list, 50 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: but we should go ahead and mention them. But because 51 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago they may have made the list, Yeah, 52 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: that's true. And it's funny because right before we were 53 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: we were going to record, we were talking about how 54 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: we had done an episode on abandoned ware, which is 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: stuff that, uh, people just give up on. Yeah, usually 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: it's a company that gives up on it, but yeah, 57 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: it's the stuff that people no longer even bother using 58 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: and it's just sort of part of history. This is 59 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: the opposite this people will not let go of. And 60 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: the two that we were thinking of that we did 61 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: not include because we just feel that they've both kind 62 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: of faded away enough so that it's a very small 63 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: percentage of people that still hold onto These are pagers, 64 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: which you know, sometimes some people like people, especially folks 65 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: in like the medical field or whatever. We'll still use them, 66 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: but pages have pretty much been replaced by cell phones 67 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: and smartphones, and p d as also replaced primarily by smartphones. 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: Personal digital assistance, not public displays of affection. Those will 69 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: never go out of style smoogy smodgy. So those are 70 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: the two that we almost included but didn't because we 71 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: feel that there's just not enough of a population supporting 72 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: them to merit being on this list. Ye. Well, so, uh, 73 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: since Wayne brought this up, we probably should go ahead 74 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: and start with fax machines. And yeah, I mean the 75 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: fax machine still used in many many offices. You still 76 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: see people's facts numbers. You know, there's one out there 77 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: in the office. I've actually used it quite a few times. Yep, yep. 78 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: But the thing is, I mean, well, it uses you know, 79 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: of course, it uses a similar imaging technology to a 80 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: scanner or a copier machine. Um, there's nothing really wrong 81 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: with it. It Uh, you know, it has a modem 82 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: that that's the that's part of the problem. I think 83 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: it has a mote a minute and uh, you know 84 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: when you when you scan some stuff and it saves 85 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: it in memory. These days it does anyway. You don't 86 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: have to put it in one page at a time, 87 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: although you used to, um where you put it on 88 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: there and it would It dials a number and makes 89 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: a connection with the fax machine on the other side, 90 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: just like you, uh with a dial up internet connection. Um. 91 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: You know, there's a handshake between the two devices. They 92 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: agree on the protocol and it says, okay, go ahead 93 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: and send your whatever message this is going to be. 94 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, the facts either takes the information 95 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: from memory or it scans each page individually and sends 96 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: it along down the line really slowly. Receiving machine receives 97 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: that information, decodes, it changes it into the type of 98 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: information it needs in order to print prints to some paper, 99 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: and then you have the facts on the other end, 100 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: which somebody puts in a tray and it never gets 101 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: to the person that's supposed to Did you ever have 102 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: to use a facts machine that had a roll of 103 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: paper as a basted individual sheets. Yeah, they had the 104 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: thermal printers and of course that that just curls up. Yes, 105 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 1: also it's coated with Yes. I do not miss those days. 106 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: So today, what will we do instead. Right, What we 107 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: could do is, let's say we have a scanner and 108 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: we a scan a document in and send it via 109 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: change it over to say a PDF format, which is 110 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: readily available. It's easy to find a reader for PDF, 111 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: a lot of free reader a free reader, and a 112 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: lot of word processing programs and things are capable of 113 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: reading a PDF file and uh, you just send that 114 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: via email and you don't have to worry about wasting 115 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: paper or any of that mess or if say a 116 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: facts machine is busy with a with a call, then 117 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: you won't get a rejection and have to try it again. 118 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: That's another thing that can be kind of irritating with 119 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: sending a fact. Let's say you've got like a twenty 120 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: page facts and you start going through and you don't 121 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: know until it's gone through all twenty pages stored in 122 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: a memory and tried to send it that it didn't 123 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: go through successfully. Maybe you didn't put in the number correctly, 124 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: maybe the machine on the other end is not turned 125 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: on properly, or it's or it's busy, and then you 126 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: have to try and do it again. Yes, it's so irritating, 127 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: but then you know, yeah, scanning it and sending it 128 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: by via PDF. Much much more paper friendly anyway, you 129 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about wasting so much paper, and 130 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: also it's not so time consuming. That being said, I 131 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: still facts things because often some of the conferences I 132 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: go to request that they send credentials, and I have 133 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: to send them via fax. Uh, not all of them 134 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: except email. Plus, depending upon your access to a scanner 135 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: or a copier that can have scanning functionality, you may 136 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: not have that luxury. So I think fax machine is 137 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: kind of borderline on this. Because there is technology out 138 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: there that can do stuff that would replace the fax machine. 139 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's propagated widely enough yet for 140 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: it to really happen, especially for small businesses. For large businesses, 141 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: almost all of them have some sort of scanner or 142 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: copier that can can replace a fax machine. I think 143 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: we're on the verge of this. This Beaten a technology 144 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: that's like that, but it's uh, it's far enough along 145 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: the way that you could you could make the argument. 146 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a valid a valid argumentum to include 147 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: it on this list. But there's some other stuff I 148 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: think that that merits that hit me with one. Well, 149 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: this one is also on the verge landlines. Yeah, landlines. Again, 150 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: more and more people are abandoning a landline in favor 151 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: of just having a cell phone because you know, for 152 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: one thing, a lot of people don't want to have 153 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: to deal with two different phone bills or have like 154 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: something packaged up where they have fewer choices. You know, 155 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: there are a lot of services out there that will 156 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: package a cell phone and landline, uh uh, offering right 157 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: where you can get with a bundle. Yeah, you can 158 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: get bundled, but then you are limited to whatever options 159 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: they have. You don't you can't just go out and say, oh, 160 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: I happen to really love this one particular phone, I 161 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: want that to go with this plan. That's not the 162 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: way that works. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I 163 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: think you see that primarily from companies that offer both 164 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: land lines, and you know that you don't see a 165 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: lot of cell phone providers going, hey, you know what, 166 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into the landline business. Yeah, it's not well, 167 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to edge into that. But yeah, 168 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: landlines are starting to kind of disappear. Now. There are 169 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: some legitimate reasons why keeping a landline around is not 170 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: a bad idea, Like emergency calls. Emergency calls is a 171 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: big one because your call can be traced to your 172 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: location very easily over a landline, so that let's say 173 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: there's an emergency where you can't even vocalize maybe, which 174 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: can happen sometimes dialing an emergency number, that's all you 175 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: might be able to do. Well with a landline, they 176 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: are going to be able to find you. With a 177 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: cell phone or smartphone, they may not be able to 178 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: get your location as accurately as they could with over 179 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: a landline or even a voipe line. You'll find out 180 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: that a lot of voice services have issues with calling 181 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: emergency services. That being said that you can usually get 182 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: a landline phone and plug it into any outlet and 183 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: it will still allow you to make an emergency call 184 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: even if you don't have a landline account, so you 185 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: can still make a call to it well in the 186 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: United States of a call to nine one, for example, 187 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: UM and the UK, that number is a really really 188 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: long one according to the I T Crowd and you 189 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: have to sing it to a song. But anyway, uh yeah, 190 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: I know. It's it's an episode that anyone who's watched 191 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: the I T Crowd will get that. Anyone who hasn't 192 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: you should go watch the I T Crowd because it's 193 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: awesome or the crowd if you prefer anyway. The the 194 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: other reason besides for emergencies is uh is that it's 195 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: something that if there's a power outage on cell service, 196 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: you haven't you have an alternate means of communication. So 197 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: not just personal emergencies, but regional emergencies. It's a good 198 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: thing to have. That being said, I think there it 199 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: is more common to run into people who have just 200 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: adopted the cell phone only approach. I mean, my household 201 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: is that way, so yeah, I can take it with 202 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: you and you know, you you have your phone no 203 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: matter where you are, so when you're at home, you 204 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: have your phone. Well then, and the phone itself is 205 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: really for a lot of people, myself included, it's it's 206 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: transitioning into a device that I used to access the 207 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: Internet more than I used to for voice communication, because 208 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: almost all my communication now, or a lot of my 209 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: communication now is through text messages, email, and social networking services. 210 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: It's it's you know, I usually make two or three 211 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: calls a day, but they're very short and they're usually 212 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: between me and my wife, um, mostly me apologizing for 213 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: something stupid I've done. I'm sorry, baby, that's all every 214 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: single conversation starts. It's amazing. I've actually heard one side 215 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: of that conversation before. Ye. Well, yeah, it's not a 216 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: rare thing. So so do you have a list about 217 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: this calculators adding machines because computers do it, smartphones do it. 218 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a lot of calculators built into 219 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: other devices, So to see a standalone calculator is kind 220 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: of interesting in the sense, you know, we have that, 221 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: we have the technology at our fingertips almost all the time, 222 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: So why do we need stand alone calculators apart from 223 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: scientific calculators, which I meant a lot of a lot. Again, 224 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: a lot of computers and smartphones can do that. You 225 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: just have to get the apps for it. But I 226 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: can understand someone wanting one of those as opposed to 227 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: a phone. And there's certain applications where I can I 228 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: can be a little more lenient. For example, let's say 229 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: that you are in a university class and you have 230 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: a final, and you're allowed to have a calculator next 231 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: to your your work on your final. You might not 232 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: be allowed to have a smartphone because you might use 233 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: the smartphone to cheat. Right, So in that case, I 234 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: can that's that's a speci a thic case where I'm like, 235 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: all right, I understand that. But for a lot of 236 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: the things that we use calculators for, either a calculator 237 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: program on a computer or smartphone or a spreadsheet can 238 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: do all of that work. Sometimes in a way that's 239 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: much easier because you can do things like in a spreadsheet, 240 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: you can copy and paste formulas so that you don't 241 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: have to keep entering in the same thing over and 242 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: over for different calculations. You just you just cutting paste 243 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: or copy and paste rather not cutting paste. Um. So 244 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: to me, though, that's another old technology that I'm surprised 245 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: is still around, at least in the at the level 246 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: that it's still around. How about you got another one? Well, um, 247 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: to stick with our earlier topic, the phone book. Ah, yes, 248 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: the yellow pages. Why why does that exist? Why are 249 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: we killing trees? Well, because not everyone has access to 250 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: the you know, the Internet, although you could argue that 251 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: they would also have access to it, um, you know, 252 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: by calling and you know, checking in with directory assistance. 253 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: I think though that, you know, I think that's a 254 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: safe argument for printing the phone book Now the question 255 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: is do they need to here in the United States. 256 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it everywhere else in 257 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: the world. Here in the United States, at least where 258 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: we are, they deliver a phone book to everybody's house. Yes, 259 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: there should be an opt out, Yes, what it would 260 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: be nice to have people, uh opt in, So yes, 261 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: I do want the phone book, or really an opt 262 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: out would probably be better. But that way you can 263 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: start with. Yeah, that way you could say, you know, 264 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: I've got the Internet, I can look up stuff on 265 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: their Uh, I've got all the numbers I need of 266 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: the friends I have. Um, a lot of my friends 267 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: aren't listed in the phone book, you know, they don't 268 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: want to be listed there. So the businesses almost all 269 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: have some sort of web presence need that they don't. 270 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: There are a lot of online directories that take the 271 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: place of Yellow Pages. So yeah, that's one of those 272 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: things where I think I would love to not see that. Now, 273 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: it does raise the question that if we were to 274 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: enact that, we being christened myself, you know, because we 275 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: have that kind of power. So tech stuff enacts this 276 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: thing where we were able to opt out of the 277 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: Yellow Pages delivery. If enough people opted out. Then would 278 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: that change the economy of scale of producing the Yellow 279 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: Pages so that producing a fewer amount for for the 280 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: people who stay in is actually more expensive per book, 281 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: and therefore it becomes a problem, uh to fund the 282 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: printing of the Yellow Pages. Yeah, yeah, well, of course 283 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: part of the we make it up in volume is 284 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Part of the part of the problem 285 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: there is that the Yellow Pages makes its money from advertising. 286 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: UM those those big ads that did you see on 287 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: different places for you know, when you go look up 288 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: the plumber or or somebody else moving company and you 289 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: see the full page ads they paid, you know, to 290 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: reach a certain number of people. All we're going to 291 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: print two million copies of this Okay, maybe that that's 292 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: kind of large. There. We're gonna print five thousand copies 293 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: of this, UM and so your your ad is going 294 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: to be there in everyone's home that we deliver this 295 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: to UM. If they said, okay, well we're only going 296 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: to print ten thousand of these books for people who 297 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: really need them, then they advertise they can't command that 298 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: kind of price. So you know, I don't think we're 299 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: going to be able to talk him out of dropping 300 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: them off on our door because I promptly put them 301 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: in the recycle bin. But yeah, so here's here's a 302 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: similar thing to that, you know, in the sense that 303 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, I know the reason why they're still around. 304 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: But it's kind of again a dying thing. CDs that 305 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: you need to install programs. Yes, and they're and they're 306 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: really similar when you get right down to it. Um. 307 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: In both cases, not everyone has the technology they need 308 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: to get the information an alternate way. But but yeah, 309 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, they're ying computers now that 310 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: may not even have an optical drive, so there's no 311 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: use for that CD. It's just it's d or DVD. Yeah, 312 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: it's just taking up space because there's no way to 313 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: put that in your machine. You what you would need 314 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 1: is some sort of USB drive or you would have 315 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: to connect to the internet and download whatever drivers you 316 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: might need for something, as opposed to having a CD 317 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: for it. And um, I would love to see thumb 318 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: drives take the place of those, just for saving space. 319 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: Plus the fact that if you can wipe whatever is 320 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: on that thumb drive off if you don't need it, 321 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: then you've got some extra storage space. I'm not saying 322 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: that I do that frequently, I'm just saying I've got 323 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: a lot of thumb drives. Yeah, yeah, with a lot 324 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: of logos on them. Well, that we're getting towards the 325 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 1: end of my list, to the point where, um, I've 326 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: I've got it. I've got more on here. But those 327 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: are the things that we talked about so far. Um 328 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: are I think is that we sort of think about that, Um, 329 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, man, why do people have that? Then you 330 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: realize that, well, really there are quite quite a number 331 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: of people that still depend on those. More of those 332 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: because I have CDs and DVDs in general, Yeah, I 333 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: think fall into that category. Uh, and even blue rays 334 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: at some to some extent, um, I think these are 335 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: not as far along, say the Yellow Pages, but um yeah, 336 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: I mean, and a lot of companies are very concerned 337 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: about the fact that these are technologies that are slowly 338 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: becoming obsolete and uh, digital distribution is becoming the the 339 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: like buzz phrase for entertainment, uh, and that that causes 340 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:50,239 Speaker 1: concern for multiple industries. Right. Well, Netflix, it's awesome. Well, 341 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: the thing is, though, they tripped on it because on 342 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: this very thing, because they were ready to move to 343 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: digital digital distribution. People aren't ready. People are not ready yet. Yeah, 344 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: there is a balance you have to strike between pushing 345 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: people toward a new technology and writing out the waves 346 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: so that you don't alienate your customer base. Right, But 347 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: the people I think, or the organizations that I think, 348 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: are really concerned with this. You have the m p 349 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: a A, the r i a A. So that's the 350 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association America. 351 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: So you've got these two different major organizations that have 352 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: lots and lots of really big companies in them, and 353 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: they're very much concerned about this because they make a 354 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: lot of money selling physical media, actual physical products that 355 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: have content on them, whether they're movies, television shows, music, whatever, books, books. 356 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: So moving from that to a digital one scares a 357 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: lot of companies for legitimate reso. We're not saying that there. 358 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: They shouldn't be scared. Um. And then you've got retail organizations. 359 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: So we've already seen in the United States several retail 360 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: organizations in the last few years go belly up becau guys. 361 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: They cannot compete with the digital distribution method. You know, 362 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: it's hard to find a record store anymore. Right, you 363 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: walk into a Best Buy and suddenly all the music 364 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: and movies aren't front and center like they used to be. 365 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: You know, it used to be that as soon as 366 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: you walked into the store, all of that was front 367 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: loaded right there at the very beginning of the store, 368 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: so you had to walk through it. Well. As digital 369 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: distribution gets more and more popular, that section moves further 370 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: and further back in the store. And there's a reason 371 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: for that. It's because you can't have that be the 372 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: focus of your store when that whole business model is 373 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: starting to deteriorate. So I put that along the same 374 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: lines as the installation CDs and the Yellow Pages. It 375 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: is just it's not quite far as far along. I 376 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: mean again, if you don't have a broadband connection, then 377 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: physical media is the way to go, because you just 378 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: you cannot physically get the information you need to be 379 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: able to watch the content or listen to the content 380 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: you want at a good enough quality, Otherwise you're gonna 381 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: be buffering every thirty seconds. Trust me, I know what 382 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Until recently that was me. Yeah. Um. 383 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: Then there are other technologies that I think kind of 384 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: died out and then came back. Well, there's one that 385 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: that needs to go, especially here in the United States. 386 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: Hit me incandescent light bulbs. It's a good one. I 387 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: didn't have that on my list. Yep, the the good 388 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: old light bulb that has its roots in um Edison's 389 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: and other people's work. A lot of people say that 390 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: Edison didn't actually invent the light bulb. Um he improved 391 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: upon a design. Yeah, well he was instrumental though, and 392 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: getting it into our homes without Without him, whenever we 393 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: had a bright idea, we'd have no way of putting, uh, 394 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: some sort of indicator around our heads to let people 395 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: know we had a bright idea. Yeah, you know, you 396 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: don't he didn't hear that little pinkish and the little 397 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: light bulb over be like it would be like something 398 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: like you know, a tweet anyhow. Um, yeah, they I 399 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: mean they use a lot more electricity, they give off 400 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: a lot more heat. Um was you know, wasted energy. Uh. 401 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: And and other products have come along that are superior 402 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: toward it to it, fluorescence and L E. D s. Yeah, 403 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: of course fluorescence now they have their own problems. Of course, 404 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: there is mercury in them. Uh. You don't want to 405 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: just go around smashing fluorescence on the stuff and yes, 406 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: so LEDs are very expensive, but they last a whole 407 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: lot longer and use a lot less electricity. Um, so 408 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, they're still we're still in that transition phase, 409 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: but we don't have to use incandescence in Some societies 410 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: have already outlawed them. The United States is moving away 411 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: from them, and of course it's a big country. There 412 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: are lots of people. Unfortunately they're dirt cheap. Um. Yes, 413 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: that's that's the you know, when you get the economics involved, 414 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: people might say, I understand why you want us to 415 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: move away from these, but the is are affordable to us. 416 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: Even if you present the argument of well, a fluorescent 417 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: light bulb is going to last longer, therefore you're going 418 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: to have to buy fewer of them, and then the 419 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: economy ends up paying out in the long run. Some 420 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: people are living in a short term kind of lifestyle 421 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: through no fault of their own. They are. They cannot 422 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: look that far ahead because that's not the way the 423 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: economy works out for them. I've been there too. I've 424 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: been in that situation where it's paycheck to paycheck, and 425 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: you do you think, well, I would love to be 426 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: more environmentally friendly, and I would love to have something 427 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: that's going to last longer, but I honestly cannot put 428 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: that in my budget. Right, It's tough. It's not going 429 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: to be much longer though, Nope. Before there's no choice 430 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: in the matter. So yeah, that's a good one. Uh well, 431 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: there's the technology I was talking about that that essentially 432 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: died out and has been never really die now, but 433 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: it definitely faded away and then has come back. Do 434 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about in the operating system 435 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: that just won't die? No, I'm not, but we can 436 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: talk about that. Okay, So you're talking about XP, Windows XP, 437 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: Windows XP. Alright. So Windows XP was one of those 438 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: things that got widespread adoption, particularly in the business world. Well, 439 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: it was such an improvement on its predecessor, you know, 440 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: Windows two thousands, and uh yeah, I mean it's it's 441 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: a it's a functional system. Let's you know, let's face it, 442 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, taking everything aside. If you you put all 443 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: the operating systems together on the table, XP is a 444 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: great operating system. It's it's in general, it's pretty stable. 445 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: There's a work course, it's a workhorse. So many companies 446 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: have standard on XP, standardized on XP that they're they're 447 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: comfortable with it, and that I think is the reason 448 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: it's stuck around is really the corporate world. Um, you know, 449 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: I used to work for a company that would stay 450 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: one generation of Windows back from what the cutting edge 451 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: was because everything was stable. They got it where it 452 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: was working. They had thousands of people to support, and 453 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: they wanted to make sure all the service packs were 454 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: out before they would date to the next operating Yeah, 455 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: if you had if you have thousands of employees for 456 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: your company, then you want you want something that's going 457 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: to be stable, because if you start having failure, is 458 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: you're going to spend more time responding to two problems 459 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: than you can doing business. And that's just not a 460 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: very smart way of doing things. So staying with a 461 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: tried and true system makes sense. This is somewhat complicated 462 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: by the fact that even though we're at Windows seven, 463 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: so we're two generations beyond Windows XP. Now Windows Vista 464 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: has a stigma on it about being an undependable, over inflated, 465 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: difficult to use operating system. Now, some of the problems 466 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: that Vista had early on were addressed by Microsoft, you know, 467 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: so it's it's a different system than it was when 468 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: it debuted. But that being said, that first impression was 469 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: so negative that a lot of companies just that was 470 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: that's where they drew the line is that we are 471 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: not going to Windows Vista because it's just too many 472 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: there are too many problems. Beyond that, though, related related 473 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: term to this outdated technology idea is the legacy system. 474 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: So a legacy system is a is any kind of system, 475 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be technology, but in technology, what we're 476 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: talking about is some sort of system that is a 477 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: core component of the way a business does business, and 478 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: you want to keep that core component going, and replacing 479 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: it would mean having to to to well reinvent a 480 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: an enormous amount of your business. So let's say you've 481 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: got some sort of computer program that is instrumental to 482 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: what you do, and it runs perfectly on Windows XP. 483 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: That's the that's the foundation that it was built for. 484 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: So then when the new operating systems come out, they 485 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: may not support that legacy system, so you are forced 486 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: to stay with an older operating system or else you 487 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: can't do business. So that's one reason why a lot 488 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: of the companies are still on Windows XP. They have 489 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: some sort of program, software application that runs on XP 490 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: and will not run on anything else. And in order 491 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: for them to be able to run on something else, 492 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: they'd have to pour so many resources into building a 493 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: new tool that does the same thing that they're old tool, 494 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: which is still working perfectly fine for what they need. 495 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense, you know, that much time, 496 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: money and effort. You could say, well, we could put 497 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: that towards this and then update all our systems and 498 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: then hope everything works, or we could stick with what 499 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: we have and just concentrate doing business. Yea. And you know, 500 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: if you if you have Windows seven at home and 501 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: XP at work, you may be frustrated by this, but 502 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: that you're not really the person that is the most frustrated, 503 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: because people who are most frustrated by this are the 504 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,239 Speaker 1: ones working in Redmond, Washington at Microsoft who have been 505 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 1: trying to convince both uh, you know, the the casual 506 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: user and the corporate user to switch over to Windows seven. Yes, 507 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: and the thing is Windows XP just works. Yeah. They 508 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: now Microsoft has stopped supporting it and then and they're 509 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: they've they've basically said, look, we're not going to do 510 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: anything for you. They don't distribute it anymore. Really, it's 511 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: an eleven year old operating system. That said. In researching 512 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: this yesterday, Jonathan and I ran across some very interesting news. 513 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: There's an article in zd net Australia that quoted statistics 514 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: from net applications in December and Windows XP is the 515 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: dominant operating system out there. It had forty six point 516 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: five of market share and in January it had forty 517 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: seven point one nine market share. Windows XP is growing, 518 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: is continuing to increase an adoption rate. Excuse me for 519 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: a second while I banged my head against the microphone. 520 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: Carry on. Um So anyhow, Vista is in third place 521 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: among the Window operating systems, and Windows seven is increasing 522 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: as well. Um but imagining that and operating system has 523 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: been discontinued is technically no longer supported, you know, and 524 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: it's increasing in market share. That's kind of impressive. That's 525 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: not the worst of it, though. That's the XP story 526 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: is is that's that's kind of mind blowing. But that's 527 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: not the most mind blowing story. You sent no, no, no, 528 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: And and this is the thing is these these two 529 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: are tied together, and those of you in the know 530 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: are gonna go, oh um, but but no. The reason 531 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: I mentioned XP first is because Windows XP works, it 532 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: does what it's supposed to, it's stable, it's pretty secure. 533 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: But in contrast, contrast, there's another technology that Microsoft would 534 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: really really really really like to see end of life 535 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: by everyone, and for very good reasons, and yet it 536 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: so increased in market share. Please please go ahead and 537 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: reveal what it was. Internet Explore six. Uh. Internet Explore 538 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: six also increase in adoption rate. Um so Internet Explores 539 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: six Now that words fail me? Really, um they've they've 540 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: Microsoft has tried its best to kill it's not. It's 541 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: it's not a safe system to use. It's not. And 542 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: websites will warn you when you go on. There are 543 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: websites as you can't see if you have Internet Explorer six, 544 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: you try and go to the website and you won't 545 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: be able to view it. Please, if you're using I 546 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: E six, update, please please try anything, try the newest 547 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: version of Internet Explorer. We're not even telling you to 548 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: switch brands. You can. You can update to the latest 549 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: version of Internet Explore and there's going to be a 550 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: world of difference. The only reason I could see anyone 551 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: using i E six is that they have a machine 552 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: too old to run anything better. Yeah, yeah, well, there 553 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: are some. The reasons to use legacy systems in a 554 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: lot of cases have to do with a specific tool. Yes, 555 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: if you are so. Let's say that you've got a corporation, 556 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: and that corporation has an internal network, an intranet, not 557 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: an Internet, and that in order to access this Internet 558 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: you need to use a specific kind of browser because 559 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: it was built to support a specific type of browser. 560 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: Then I could understand as well having Internet Explorer six. 561 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: I would pity that person because that is a miserable experience. 562 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: But that could be the case. You could have a 563 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: corporate system where let's say you need to go in 564 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: and manage things like a digital timesheet, or you have 565 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: to request some vacation time or sick time, or you're 566 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: doing something like you're changing your You might even be 567 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: putting in things like an employee record into a company's 568 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: Internet system, and the only way you can access it 569 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: is through an outdated browser. Um. There are plenty of 570 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: systems that are like that. I've seen lots of them 571 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: where they will tell you don't use any other version 572 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: of any other browser because some of the functionality will 573 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: not work. If you use it, you might be able 574 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: to see some stuff and access some of the stuff 575 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: that's on the the corporate Internet, but you're not gonna 576 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: be able to get the full run of it unless 577 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: you use this particular browser. Yeah. See Yeah. The an 578 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: article on ours Technica UM published on February first, twelve 579 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: said that in January, uh, Internet Explorer grew more, its 580 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: market share grew more than any other browser. In fact, 581 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: Chrome went down a little bit, but the biggest share 582 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: of that growth for I E was in I E six. 583 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: So so, um, people are going to write in to 584 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: tell you that that was really loud. Um, But anyway, Uh, yeah, 585 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of and I understand. To see. The thing 586 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: is that one of the things that's common about most 587 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: of these technologies is that, um, there there's some good 588 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: reason why some people are gonna want to use it. 589 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 1: You know, perhaps you have a machine that just won't 590 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: go any it won't run Vista or or Windows seven 591 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: or Windows eight. Uh, you have a machine that that 592 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: where or you have an intranet where you might need 593 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: to use I E six to run it otherwise it 594 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: won't work. A O L is the Internet, Yes, that's possible. 595 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: I mean for the lightbulb thing, the socket fits the 596 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: same size. I really don't have a they're cheap. There 597 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: is a reason to use that that. The thing is 598 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: that the majority of people still using um I E 599 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: six and Windows XP. The majority of those people probably 600 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: are not doing it because their computers are slower, because 601 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: they are reliant on a legacy system. It's probably more 602 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: because as their corporation, their corporation won't let them right, 603 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: or they just don't know. Yeah, there are a lot 604 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: of people who just have don't have They just don't 605 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: know that there there is a better way out there 606 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: to them, they've associated a specific kind of browser with 607 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: that's the Internet. It's not a browser you use to 608 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: access the internets. A note that is the to them, 609 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: that is the Internet. It's or a little box with 610 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: a little blinking line on the top. It doesn't weigh anything. 611 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: It's kept up top of big bend. Yeah, this is 612 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: this is definitely the type of water cooler thing where 613 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: you stand around and go, yeah, why do people still 614 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: use that? I mean there in general, there's a reason 615 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: why people still use some of these things, But why 616 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: why some of them are so widespread is another question. 617 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: Still a few more, Yes, there's the one that I 618 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: had said had died out but came back. This. No, 619 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: this is one thing. This is a different one, and 620 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: this is one that didn't really die out either. It's 621 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: one of those where it's more for nostalgist, say, I think, 622 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: than anything else. Vinyl. Oh yeah, so vinyl records is 623 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: what we're talking about, not not the material vinyl, but 624 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: vinyl vinyl record albums. So yeah, something you would play 625 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: on a record player. Uh. There are people who argue 626 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: audio files, who will argue that the vinyl gives the best, 627 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: truest sound to whatever the original recording is, and there 628 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: are others who say that that's a bunch of balogny, 629 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: that if you are using the proper digital equipment, there 630 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: is no humanly detectable way of differentiating the two. I'm 631 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: not going to go into that too much because it's 632 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: it's frankly, it's something that I would need to see 633 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: a lot more studies on because there are lots of 634 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: different arguments to either side, and there are certain people 635 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: out there who have very very finely attuned senses of 636 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: hearing that might be able to detect those differences. I'm 637 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: not one of them. I do not have a great 638 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: sense of hearing, So perhaps the fault is on my 639 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: me and not on the technolog G. But still it's 640 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: interesting to me that vinyl has never really gone away, 641 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: considering that a lot of the the trend has been 642 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: to favor convenience over perceived quality, right because when MP 643 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: three's got really popular, a lot of them were recorded 644 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: at terrible bit rates and you were losing a lot 645 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: of information and in some cases that was detectable, and 646 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: you could tell that you were losing some of the 647 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: highs and lows. There wasn't a whole lot of variation 648 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: between the lowest of the lows and the highest of 649 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: the highest, so you weren't getting a really dynamic sound 650 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: like you could with a better recording. But today that's 651 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: not as big an issue. Right. Well, with people having 652 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: higher bandwidth connections, Uh, they're more willing to do that 653 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: because you're you're able to include some of the frequencies that, um, 654 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: you know make this sound richer. Um. But yeah, that's 655 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: one of those where I'm just surprised now that being said, 656 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: I own a lot of vinyl folks, well, a vinyl fan, 657 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: and there's a UM there's a been a resurgence in 658 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: manufacturing final Yeah, which is funny because the equipment almost 659 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: completely died out. Yeah, there was a there was a 660 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: time in the late eighties and into the nineties where 661 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: finding a turntable was if you weren't if you weren't 662 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: buying DJ equipment, it was pretty much. Yeah, it was 663 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: you had to go to like some sort of hobby 664 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: store or like an audio Yeah. And now now you 665 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: can find them all over the place. In fact, I 666 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: see them like I've seen plenty of ones that you 667 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: plug in via USB to a computer where you can 668 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: rip things too MP three or you can actually just 669 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: listen to it over a computer or plug it into 670 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,479 Speaker 1: another sound system. Yeah, it's so it's started to it's 671 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: been enjoying a resurgence, nowhere near what it was when 672 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: that was the way to listen to music. Yeah. You know, 673 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to give the wrong impression, but it 674 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: has come back from what look like it was. It 675 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: looked like it was going to go extinct. Yeah, and 676 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of independent bands have been 677 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: recording and releasing their records on vinyl pressing because truth 678 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: be told, it's not as as expensive as you might think. 679 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: Um so, uh, you know, it's it's enjoyed a resurgence 680 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: in in popularity for bands as a you know, hey, 681 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: look how cool we are we have a final record. Yeah, 682 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of a gimmick almost, by the way, Yeah 683 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: for some folks. Yeah. Yeah. I also wrote down typewriters 684 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: because they still have not died away. I haven't seen 685 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: a typewriter in public in a long time. No, but 686 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: I used to work in an office that still used 687 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: typewriters to fill out forms instead of trying to create 688 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 1: digital forms. They still had physical forms and physical typewriters 689 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: that you had to use to fill out the forms. 690 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: It was not that long ago, so I have them 691 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: down here. I mean, maybe they've died out in the 692 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 1: five years since I joined how Stuff Works. It's possible. 693 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: That's that's long enough. But I have a feeling that 694 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: if I went back to this office, I'd still find 695 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: that typewriter and it would be mocking me as it 696 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: always did. Um and and let's see to have anything else, like, yes, 697 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: there is something else I have, uh scheduled television? Yeah, 698 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: because now we've reached a point where with the the 699 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: invention of DVRs and with streaming services like Hulu and Netflix. 700 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: The the importance of a TV schedule has decreased dramatically, 701 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: right like back in back in the day, you would 702 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: have to plan your night around around your stories if 703 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: you wanted to watch television. So if you wanted to watch, 704 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, a particular sitcom, you had to be there 705 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: in front your TV at eight pm on a Thursday night, 706 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: or else you weren't going to see it, or you 707 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: had to set a VCR to tape it later on. 708 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: You could do that. But before that, you know, before 709 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: VCRs became household items, you know. Yeah, and that's another 710 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: one too, But VCRs are pretty much on that. They're 711 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: pretty m dead. Yeah, VCRs are almost dead. So but yeah, 712 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: the scheduled television stuff. Before there were VCRs, the only 713 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: other option you had was to set your kid down 714 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: until have the kid just act out the entire episode 715 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: when you got home so you could find out what 716 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: happened on Mash I know, I know season seasons two 717 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: through four like the back of my hand. Anyway, uh yeah, 718 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: the but yeah that Now we have DVRs and we 719 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: have streaming services. Even DVRs now are starting to kind 720 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: of reach a point where I think a lot of 721 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: people are are moving away entirely from worrying about recording 722 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: stuff that's on the air right now. For one thing, 723 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: so many of them come out on DVD later or 724 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 1: or in some other form is a collection, so you 725 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 1: can catch up on an entire series all at once 726 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: if you wanted to. Yeah, So I think, uh, I 727 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: think that's one of those dying technologies. And you know, 728 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: that's a tough one because again that's that's another one 729 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: that's industry that that will completely change industries, And anything 730 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: that's going to completely change an industry, it's going to 731 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: be a tumultuous and and and drawn out of fair 732 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: It's not something that happens very quickly usually unless it's catastrophic, 733 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: but normally it's gonna take a while. There's gonna be 734 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: a lot of resistance. We're seeing that there's a lot 735 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: of resistance to it for a good reason. Again, because 736 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: the economies that are involved are huge, and the considerations 737 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: you have to make are enormous, and you know the 738 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: fact that there's just not as much there's not as 739 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: much money streaming to the to the Internet as there 740 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: would be going through a cable or broadcast approach. Right, 741 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 1: it's just it's that's the truth. There's not as much 742 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: money there. And if you've got a big corporation that 743 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 1: requires a lot of money to to generate the content 744 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: that it makes, that raises some very tough questions where 745 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: do you start making cuts? Do you do you make 746 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: huge cuts in the corporate personnel, do you also have 747 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: to make huge cuts and the production costs for your 748 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: shows or your movies. There's been a lot of discussion 749 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: about that recently with with movie blockbusters, about whether or 750 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: not the blockbuster itself is perhaps an outdated concept, and 751 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: perhaps it's we've we've really pushed the concept of blockbusters 752 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: so far that they are having these massive, overinflated budgets, 753 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 1: and maybe it's time to stop that and really focus 754 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: on making movies a different way where it's more efficient 755 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: and economical, and maybe the focus isn't so much unspectacle. 756 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: Now that's a totally separate argument, but it does at 757 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: least tangentially tie into this idea of the scheduled TV 758 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: event where we don't have to be in front of 759 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: our sets at a set time and place anymore, you know, 760 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: we can we have a lot more flexibility to get 761 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: entertainment on demand, with the exception of things like live events, 762 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: like sports, things like that. So I think that that 763 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: is definitely on the bubble, you know, in a in 764 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: another maybe five or ten years, UH, scheduled TV is 765 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: going to be kind of a thing of the past, 766 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: um with the exception of live events. Well, I think 767 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 1: too that that's gonna require um more people to have 768 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 1: availability of the technology, you know, because not everyone can 769 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: afford a DVR or even broadband Internet. But we're starting 770 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: to see that stuff being built into the television sets themselves. 771 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: So again, in five or ten years, you're going to 772 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: have the average TV set sold at whatever store you 773 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: go to is going to have a lot of Internet 774 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: connectivity stuff built into it. Now, that doesn't solve the 775 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: problem of broadband penetration. If you don't have broadband penetration, 776 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how advance your TV is, you're not 777 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: gonna be able to get that content. But assuming that 778 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: the broadband penetration problem has been addressed enough so that 779 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,720 Speaker 1: there is this transition, then I think we do see 780 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: UH an end to the scheduled t V approach. And 781 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: you just want your Louis, you turn your television on, 782 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: you say I want to watch this one particular program. 783 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: I want to watch this one particular episode, and it 784 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: pulls it up and it may be that it's a 785 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: subscription based thing, and maybe it's a per episode payment thing. 786 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's gonna be free all the time, 787 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: but it's definitely gonna be a different model than what 788 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,839 Speaker 1: we're used to right now. It will, you know, it'll 789 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: no longer be like, you know, oh, it's Thursday night. 790 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: This is when these my my favorite three shows come on. 791 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: It'll be hey, I got home, It's time to watch 792 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: my favorite show. Okay, So and I think that's let 793 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: me look and did I miss anything on my list? No, 794 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: that's all the things I have on my list. Not 795 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: that not to suggest that that's the only outdated technology 796 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: we have that we rely on on a day to 797 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: day basis. Well, if people have their you know, a 798 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: favorite outdated technology that they didn't I think made our 799 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: list for good reason, then they should write us and 800 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: let us know. I mean, there's plenty of other stuff 801 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: we can talk about, like like cold powered power plants, 802 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff right where we could say, look, 803 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: there are alternatives that we could look into that maybe 804 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: more environmentally friendly. But even so, these have their own 805 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: sets of restrictions and problems. Um. But yeah, you could 806 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: argue that saying like, hey, look at the state of 807 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: the world. Isn't isn't like anything that burns fossil fuels 808 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: isn't that outdated? And I would agree with you in 809 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: the sense that I think we really need to move 810 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: to things that aren't going to be as as dangerous 811 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: to the environment. But the reality of the situation is 812 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: a bit more complex than just saying, hey, this is 813 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: an old way of doing things. There there such complex 814 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,399 Speaker 1: issues with that, um that it's not it's not an 815 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: easy thing to solve. If it were easy to solve, 816 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: we would have solved it already. But the truth is 817 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,879 Speaker 1: life is complicated, moves pretty fast. You don't stop look around, 818 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: you might miss it. And with that, we're going to 819 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: conclude this episode of tech Stuff. 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