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Speaker 1: May tenth, twenty twenty, Suzanne Morphew was last seen alive.

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Speaker 1: Her bicycle was missing, later found down a steep ravine.

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Speaker 1: Her home security cameras had been disabled, her daughters were

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Speaker 1: don't know, five hours away or four hours away, and

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Speaker 1: she goes missing and it's Mother's Day. So lots of

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Speaker 1: red flags for me immediately. But y'all, tonight we have

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Joe jack Alone, retired NYPD. Y'all, he ran homicide

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Speaker 1: in the Bronx. He ran the homicide school Medal of Valor.

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Speaker 1: Y'all know him, and he is going to help me

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Speaker 1: on this thing. Because when I tell you there are

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Speaker 1: and the updates are red flags to me, Sergeant.

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Speaker 2: How are you good? How are you Cheryl?

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Speaker 3: I am great.

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Speaker 1: I tell you I've been looking forward to talking to

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Speaker 1: you all day. This is one of those cases that just,

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Speaker 1: you know, it baffles me how he wasn't arrested sooner.

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Speaker 1: And I understand they wanted to wait for a body.

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Speaker 1: I get that part. But talk to me a little

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Speaker 1: bit about his movements on that day and again y'all.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep saying it. It was Mother's Day, It

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Speaker 3: was Mother's Day. It was Mother's Day.

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Speaker 1: There should have been a phone call, some flowers, a

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Speaker 3: There was none of that.

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Speaker 1: So to me, that's one of those things I can't

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Speaker 2: Well, I just when I know, you're talking about red flags,

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Speaker 2: and I always, you know, talk about red flags. This

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Speaker 2: is the fact that she was reported missing by a neighbor,

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Speaker 2: neighbor that that that that that started this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: And Sarge, it goes a little bit deeper. He told

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Speaker 1: and if it's not, you call that one one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, in her vehicle was in the garage,

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Speaker 2: Her her bicycle was missing, you know. And then it

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Speaker 2: really originally was arrested, right, and then they had to

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Speaker 2: took a long time to put this together. But you

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Speaker 2: know what, I think they have the right guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too.

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Speaker 1: And there's somebody cam that I want you to weigh

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Speaker 1: He pulls up, he gets out of the truck, serge.

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Speaker 2: Yes? Did a mountain lion getter? I guess well, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I never had to worry about mountain lions

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Speaker 1: Right, Because again, if you and I were in a room,

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Speaker 2: Well, like you said, it was, it was pretty clear

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Speaker 1: So when he goes out of town for a work

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing I love about you. Listen, not

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, Walt McCollum ever, says that he's going to say

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Speaker 3: Who would have heard her? Who? Was it a hit

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I alway, you can your listeners. Now,

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Speaker 2: So it's not we're not we're not having the best

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Speaker 3: That's right, Scott Peterson. It was glorious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, the superlatigy, you know, because people

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Speaker 3: She's good. Well, it's good. Everybody's good.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's good. Yeah, we're breathing. That means we're good. Yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: Well then you know they've got the video of him

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about red flags.

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Speaker 2: And it's just part of the nature of the beast.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you start looking at it, just

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Speaker 3: Had a tranquilizer.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's put it this way. I give a credit

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Speaker 1: And listen, his excuse is the greatest I've ever heard.

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Speaker 3: Now, Sargs.

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Speaker 1: I've got them all around the lake where we live.

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Speaker 1: There ain't no way he's hunting titmunks. So his lines

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Speaker 2: I find it amusing that you know, men who kill

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Speaker 2: The best part of it, he said, he was taking

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah he was sound sleep.

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Speaker 3: Yeap, nobody saw me, Nobody else was there. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's all you got.

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Speaker 1: And you know for you and I I know for

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Speaker 1: you didn't call her. Then you didn't start calling her

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Speaker 3: So I'm just.

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Speaker 1: Saying he didn't call her. Then he texts her and says,

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Speaker 2: Most of us, either it's one or the other, you're

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Speaker 2: even just to check up on people, say hey, how

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Speaker 2: going today? I mean, all those different little tidbits and

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Speaker 2: got to look at and say, like, why is this

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Speaker 2: huge gap? Yes, it could be a good reason that

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Speaker 2: in the text here or there and go that I mean, listen,

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Speaker 3: Excellent point.

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Speaker 1: So talk a little bit about the people that may

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Speaker 2: Right. So, they did find her remains buried in a

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Speaker 2: shallow grave. And then an anthropologist who is you know,

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Speaker 1: And like you said, the toxicology showed she had that

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Speaker 2: I'm not even going to try to pronounce the track

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Speaker 2: Another good observation by the Grandston text or the investigators

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Speaker 2: So that's the kind of things that you look for.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I know you love coffee, and that's

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Speaker 1: You can prove it about five minutes when I watched

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Speaker 1: Maybe she got back after the bike accident and her

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Speaker 2: That's what this is what happened. So he's getting rid

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Speaker 1: High school, and y'all, they're a beautiful couple. I mean,

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Speaker 2: And but we know the relationship is not all right

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Speaker 2: But they find this this spy pin, and it's just

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Speaker 2: firmly gets in the crossairs of law enforcement when they

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Speaker 2: finally track him down and find it out. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: they wasted a lot of time on him. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they weren't happy about that, but you know, they ended

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Speaker 2: up he was He had a rock solid alibi that

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Speaker 2: they that they found out that he was not even

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Speaker 2: in the state I think when it happened, so.

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Speaker 1: Right, so he lived in another state and they would

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Speaker 1: go to other states to have these little trysts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she knew him from high school too, so you know,

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people, high school never ends. So

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Speaker 1: Barry was supposedly, you know, a big athlete in his

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Speaker 1: high school. He got the cheerleader, he got the beautiful girl.

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Speaker 1: To find out that she's having an affair with somebody

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Speaker 1: from their high school. That is motive people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean she's not only she's having this

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Speaker 2: affair with this guy, but this guy he makes a

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Speaker 2: statement like like, why didn't you like help? You know,

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Speaker 2: why didn't you say something? He's like, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm married, I don't want to. You know, my wife

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Speaker 2: doesn't know about it. I didn't want to my children

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Speaker 2: and all the other stuff. And well, dude, now everyone

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Speaker 2: knows you now, the entire the entire world knows you now.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you would have, if you would have

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Speaker 2: just come forward from the very beginning, maybe they could

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Speaker 2: have kept it under wraps. You know, maybe they could

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Speaker 2: have done that. But since they had to find out

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Speaker 2: who you were and took them like six months to do, so,

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Speaker 2: the cats out of the bag, so to speak at

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Speaker 2: that point. So it sucks to beat him.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you're interviewing somebody's sarge, and you

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Speaker 1: interview them multiple times and ninety five separate times, they say,

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Speaker 1: I don't recall, I don't remember, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Is that a problem for you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I Actually, the worst words I think people could

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Speaker 2: say is I have no recollection of that, like, no

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Speaker 2: talks like that. I have no you know, you watch

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Speaker 2: your politicians say this thing, I don't recall, I don't

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Speaker 2: have rec We train our detectives in New York City

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Speaker 2: to never say that in court. You just if you

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Speaker 2: don't know, you say, I don't know. It's just you know,

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Speaker 2: because even though you're not saying anything wrong, so to speak,

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Speaker 2: when you say I do not recall or I don't recall,

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Speaker 2: people will think or speculate that you're trying to hide

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Speaker 2: something if you don't if you don't know the answer,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know that, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We have no independent I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like a lie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even though it doesn't you know, it

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Speaker 2: could be the truth, right, I don't recall, I don't remember,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, but it's you're better off saying.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because again, in a normal conversation, if

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Speaker 1: you're panicked and your wife is missing, you would say,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never heard that tranquilized, or I

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Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about, like you would move

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Speaker 1: from that. You wouldn't go I have no independent recollection

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Speaker 1: of a tranquilizer.

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Speaker 2: When you say another thing too, about this, I don't recall,

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Speaker 2: I used to say to people when they say, well,

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Speaker 2: I don't recall the moment, so what what makes what?

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Speaker 2: What do I need to say to you to help

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Speaker 2: you recall to remember? What's going to make you remember then? Right?

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Speaker 2: So that's the why people, if you get in front

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Speaker 2: of the wrong person, then you start talking that kind

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Speaker 2: of trash, they're gonna call you out on it, and

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Speaker 2: then you're gonna make you They're gonna make you look silly.

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Speaker 2: That's why when people say I don't know, it's difficult

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Speaker 2: to come back at them.

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Speaker 1: When they released him the first time, I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people were just beside themselves, but they had

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Speaker 1: to do that to do it right. Well, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: they waited and then they recovered her, so I mean

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Speaker 1: they did get more solid evidence.

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Speaker 2: Well exactly, and and you know, not to change subjects.

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Speaker 2: But there's other case that's going on now with this

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Speaker 2: young girl that's missing, Melody Buzzard, right. They to me,

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Speaker 2: I think the cops kind of moved too fast on

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Speaker 2: her to put her in jail for this other case

514
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Speaker 2: about you know, this kidnapping case whatever, just to hold

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Speaker 2: her and then the case falls apart today and they

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Speaker 2: have to release her. So The point is social media

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Speaker 2: and news agency the media in general sometimes can can

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Speaker 2: force the hand for law enforcement, like saying, let's you

519
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: do something and you end up kind of screwing up.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I didn't have to work under these kind

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Speaker 2: of conditions that these investigators have to work under today,

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Speaker 2: where you know, the social media and the TikTokers and

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Speaker 2: all everybody else that's going around while you're trying to

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Speaker 2: investigate the case. Could you imagine how annoying that must be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a different world when you've got anybody

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Speaker 1: that can now be a reporter, anybody. Anybody can start

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Speaker 1: a podcast, anybody can start a TikTok, anybody can go

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Speaker 1: live on Facebook while something's unfolding. And you know, some

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Speaker 1: of it may be good, like some of these child

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Speaker 1: abuse situations. You know, you're putting it out there, live

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Speaker 1: for God and country. Then something's going to get done.

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Speaker 1: But then on the other hand, you've got some people

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Speaker 1: whose lives are being ruined when it turns out they

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Speaker 1: didn't really do anything and some things were missed or misread.

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Speaker 3: So let's just say this sometimes in the wrong hands, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a.

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Speaker 2: New world right there. For investigators. There's a lot to

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Speaker 2: be excited about, like you know, IgG and all these

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00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: other things here. But the flip side of that is

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Speaker 2: the social media angle. It becomes a real burden I

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Speaker 2: think for police departments, and I just hope that we

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Speaker 2: don't see things where they're reacting in a way that

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Speaker 2: they normally wouldn't react just to try to get an

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Speaker 2: answer out to the public.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you one funny thing, so we'll end

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Speaker 1: on something funny. My department, we made a mistake and

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Speaker 1: gave a prisoner back some property that was illegal for

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Speaker 1: him to possess.

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Speaker 3: It was just a mistake. We handed him the wrong bag.

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Speaker 1: He was so thrilled he wrote it in one of

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Speaker 1: his rap songs.

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Speaker 2: Hey listen, something's happened, right. Mistakes happened. Things happened, and

553
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Speaker 2: you had to own them. But the thing that comes

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00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: down to is that you just never want to respond

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00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: to unfounded speculation to try to run your investigation. That's

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Speaker 2: what that's might main concerned going forward.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point, Sarge.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: You are one of my go to people when I

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00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: have a need for advice, if I need somebody to

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00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 1: look at something, to tell me what I've missed. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it more than you know, and I cannot wait

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Speaker 1: to sit down with you again when this trial gets going.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a plan tonight, I'm gonna let Sarge leave.

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Speaker 2: The quote Mark Tween said, Eke, your mouth shouldn't be

566
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: assumed the fool, then open it and leave no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately Berry never heard of that one.

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Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is own seven