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Speaker 1: like this just is this is my human technology, this

430
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: is the house of my soul. And it doesn't always

431
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: have to be about if it's attractive or not, or

432
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: how it looks or not. It's how does it feel? Yes? Yes, um,

433
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: all of that and um Like if we think about

434
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, people will talk about earth thing, right like

435
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: how important is to go stand outside in the earth

436
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: with your bare feet? Okay? So but like what if

437
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: you put your whole body on the earth, or you

438
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: put your whole body in the ocean right like, or

439
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: your whole body next to the fire, like what does

440
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: what does that feel like? To have sun on places

441
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: that don't get sun and to feel heat you know,

442
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: enveloping you. Um. I mean if I'm at home journeying,

443
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: you know by myself for myself, Like I'm a thousand

444
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: percent naked and there's not I used to like start

445
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: with clothes, and I'm like, there's no point, Like the

446
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: greatest way to drift off into the void is without

447
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: all of these attachments, these things that we that we have.

448
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: Now we'll say, I love like body adornment. Obviously, you know,

449
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: I think that, um, it's a temple, and you rarely

450
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: see an undecorated temple. So I'm here for like the

451
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: ways and which we've we've developed our expression and adornment

452
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: of the vessel um and think, jam, I love it, um.

453
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: And it's also like beyond being liberating, it's also just

454
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: like a level of vulnerability to strip away, like all

455
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: of the barriers that we put in place between us

456
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: as humans. Like we also always talk about, um, like

457
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: how important skin to skin contact is for babies, Like

458
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: babies need skin to skin contact, like we're giant babies.

459
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: So it's it's the same. Your skin didn't change as

460
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: you you know, it just got there's more of it,

461
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: so you need more contact on it. Um. So that

462
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: is huge and so beautiful. That is so so so

463
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: beautifully true, and it's it's even putting it in that

464
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: context is just so powerful because it's like, I am

465
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: still that baby. I am just still that soul wearing skin.

466
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: And so of course intimate touch from myself for others,

467
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: and by intimate I also just mean closeness, openness, acceptance,

468
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: like of course that is necessary for my spirit to

469
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: be an optimal positioning, an optimal power. That is so okay,

470
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: let me ask this for for someone listening right now

471
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: that maybe is intrigued or curious about what this kind

472
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: of medicine journey could be for them, what is a

473
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: good way to start for mean it to get started? Um.

474
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: And also, but actually before we go there, Charlotte, why

475
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: actually is this such a powerful companion with therapy or

476
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: two specifically use in service to your expansion and your

477
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: healing or to getting past maybe a barrier to healing

478
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: that has been present. Mm hmmm yeah, absolutely, so many

479
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: parts to that. So I feel like most simply, um put,

480
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: this process of colonization, which we have all been subject

481
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: to throughout history, is a process of separation. It's a

482
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: process of trying to create um binary systems of identifying

483
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: each other, oppositional systems of identifying each other um and

484
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: really just this this constant pulling apart of humanity and

485
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: sacred earth. Medicines are a direct tool of connection, of

486
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: collective connection, of like melting away the stories and the

487
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: traumas that we carry around with us that keep us

488
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: in increasing disconnection from ourselves and then therefore increasing disconnection

489
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: from everyone and everything around us, and so in in shamanism,

490
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: um sometimes talk about going from domination to dominion or

491
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen that, there's like a meme that

492
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: goes around sometimes that's like um ego, where it's a

493
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: human on top of the pyramid of a bunch of

494
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: animals versus Eco, where it's like a human in the

495
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: circle where everything is together an equal. I think the

496
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: medicines take us on an accelerated path to that place um,

497
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: to underst standing that we really are just a human race.

498
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: I know, like a lot of people, I sometimes feel

499
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: like to having this conversation, but yeah, it's and I

500
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: know where you are with it. Like it many things

501
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: are to it once are we all? Are we all

502
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: divine beings of God without hierarchy? Absolutely? Yes? Yes is

503
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: what is what's happening in the five D happening in

504
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: the three D. And this is where like, that's where

505
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: there is this tension in this conversation and why UM

506
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: at the Ancestor Project, we feel it's like so important

507
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: to create this framework of how we work with these

508
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: medicines for collective liberation. Like it is about healing yourself,

509
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: It is about coming back home to yourself. It is

510
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: about you know, UM, finding the source and giving love

511
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: to UM, you know, the traumas that have created the

512
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: ego and all of that. And also it's important to

513
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: think about how we work with these medicines that show

514
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: us as possible, like that show us this limitless possibility

515
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: to make the current reality more equitable and more liberated

516
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: for all people. And so there is definitely this tension

517
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: in what I would say is like the consciousness community,

518
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: the Sacred Earth medicine community, where there are people who

519
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: want to skip straight to the we're all one race

520
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: and we're good, and then there's people who understand that,

521
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: like we can work with the medicine and with the

522
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: modalities to get us to a place where that because

523
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: of the reality, a reality of collective liberation. It's rocking

524
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: to for everyone listening that this may have some charge

525
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: with I completely understand, and I think I might dive

526
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: into this in a future episode. But you know, what

527
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: we're sharing, Um, so many things are true at once.

528
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: And what we're speaking to is the greater really God consciousness,

529
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: christ consciousness, understanding of the fact that we are all

530
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: sacred vessels of the Divine, that we are all souls

531
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: that are so much more vast and expansive than any

532
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: of the human and earthly labels or titles could express.

533
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: So our soul does not have a race. But on

534
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: Earth we are put into these systems for this experience

535
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: where we do have specific backgrounds and cultural identities, where

536
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: there are incredibly complex and oppressive systems in place, in

537
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: structures in place um that have created the dynamics that

538
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: we now are tearing down and breaking um. And so

539
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: we're kind of speaking to like this this more advanced

540
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: spiritual depth of soul unity. And we're also speaking to

541
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: the thing that we're very clear on that there is

542
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: absolutely racial divide, that there is absolutely racism, structures of oppression,

543
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: colonial past, so many things that have been I mean

544
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: just there's not even words, just utterly um, utterly destructive, mentally, physically, emotionally, experially, yeah, yeah, UM,

545
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: in all of its beauty and complication. UM. And I

546
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: think that too, like the medicine really helps you get

547
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: to this place where you can recognize the immense beauty

548
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: that there is in the human experience, UM, and that

549
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: there is in experiencing your soul in this in this place.

550
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: But to get back into like to pull it back

551
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: into the practice work with these medicines, UM. You know,

552
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: it really is like you can sit in one ceremony

553
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: and come out and it will be like having done

554
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: eight to ten years of psychotherapy in one way, and

555
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: it seems so incredibly intense while it's happening, which it is,

556
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: right and it's an incredible release and an incredible accelerant

557
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: to the path of evolution, to your own path of evolution,

558
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: And it gets you so deeply and directly connected to

559
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: your inner teacher, to your inner spirit guide that then

560
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: when you come back from a journey, you have just

561
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: so much more capacity to manage what's happening on the

562
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: day to day. UM. Will frequently talk about the medicine

563
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: gives you a pause so that you can choose how

564
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: you want to respond to your life as opposed to

565
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: being in this place in this reactionary place and reactions

566
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: that are learned from trauma and from survival. You give

567
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: yourself this gift of being able to recognize the areas

568
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: in your life that you have complete choice over, because

569
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: that's like then to take it back out to the cosmos.

570
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: Like that's the other challenging conversation to have, which is, like,

571
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: we choose our reality. Do I choose structural racism and

572
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 1: oppression and patriarchy every day? No? But I do choose

573
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: how I respond to those structures within my own life.

574
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: Um and and taking that power back little by little,

575
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: like each of us coming back into that empowered state

576
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: of being of choice means that we can ripple effect

577
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: this out and and really choose to not have these

578
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: structures anymore. Um And. So I think that a really gentle,

579
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: um and thoughtful way you just describe that, because it

580
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: is such a it's such a challenging conversation because it

581
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: really is. It's just it's it's based on the level

582
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: of acceptance you are at within your own self and

583
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: where you are in your healing and with your connection

584
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: to or relation to God, and so it's it's it's hard,

585
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: and we're learning how to have it in real time

586
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: in a way that doesn't UM convey that we are

587
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: spiritually by passing in any way or that we're creating excuses. Yeah. No, UM,

588
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: it's it's such a it's a both end and I

589
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: feel like the medicine helps you hold that as as well.

590
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: Right you said it earlier. It's many truths UM, and

591
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: being able to hold that not even duality, it's like

592
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: beyond do I, it's like multiplicity. UM. Being able to

593
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: hold that is liberating. UM. It's yeah, how can someone

594
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: use this and tandem with UM therapy mm hmm. Yeah.

595
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of conversation right now UM around

596
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: psychedelic assist in therapy, which some of that is is

597
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: actually accessible now. UM really only kindamine assist that there

598
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: RP is what is like legal and available to the public. UM.

599
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: Oregon will be the first date to have psilocybin assisted

600
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: therapy MAPS, which is the Multi Disciplinary Association for psycho

601
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: Psychedelic Studies is pushing m d m A through FDA

602
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: approval process UM for PTSD. I think this is also

603
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: a sort of a challenging crux of the conversation. So

604
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: the work that UM I do and we do with

605
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: the ancestor project predominantly is outside of the medical model.

606
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: We're very much like in the grassroots community based ceremonial

607
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: um relationship with the medicine and also recognized that that

608
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: is not this space for all folks, but for bipop

609
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: folks in our community. There is like this um tension

610
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: in that through history we've had a very um like

611
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: evidence based distrustful relationship with medical institution revenues as testing

612
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: grounds for centuries, and so thinking about then stepping into

613
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: work that is so physically, spiritually and mentally puts you

614
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: in a in a vulnerable place. Um, there's definitely like

615
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: larger conversations around what competencies providers will need to have

616
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: in order to hold space for folks who are working

617
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: through racialized cultural historical trauma. But I mean in tandem

618
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: with psychotherapy or therapy. If you are doing um like

619
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: really deep shadow work or work work around I know

620
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: you talk a lot about inner child work and reparenting,

621
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: that's a huge Any any type of work that you

622
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: doing in therapy or conversations that are being had in

623
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: therapy can be amplified and sort of accelerated and blown

624
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: wide or open when working with the medicine as well.

625
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: And then I also think that working with the medicine

626
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: gives you a much greater access to compassion, both for

627
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: yourself and for those around you. So I know one

628
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: of the things that I had been sort of just

629
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: like talking about and around for you know, two years

630
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: in therapy was like, how do I forgive my parents

631
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: for whatever you know they did? Um, And just like, well,

632
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: first you it was almost like twelve step, like first

633
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: you do this process of the forgiveness and then you

634
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: do this. You know. I took like one journey with

635
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: an intention to learn about freanism compassion and have been

636
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: able to you know, it's not like you come out

637
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: of it and you're like over it, but it's gotten

638
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: to this place where you're able to like revisit the

639
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: past and revisit these stories and narratives that we have

640
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: without the emotionality connected to it always and to just

641
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: like look at it and see it and sort of

642
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: re route how you want to think about it. Um,

643
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: Like you expressed that so beautifully. Yeah, That's exactly how

644
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: it was felt by me um in my first journey,

645
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: and it was really with that same intention. It was like,

646
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: you know, there are some things that you're like, I

647
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: have approached this from absolutely every vantage point possible, from

648
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: every perspective possible, UM. And I think especially for some

649
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: of us that are really these highly processed beans that

650
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: are sometimes really emotionally literate and also very cerebral, you

651
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: can hit a standstill with yourself, like you can actually

652
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: understand it too well that you forget to feel it.

653
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: And that is what this journey for me working with

654
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: the medicines has been. It is what has allowed me

655
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: to come into a softness about my life and experience

656
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: UM in a way that I never even thought was

657
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: possible UM, and definitely in a way that I could

658
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: not have gotten to by myself. You know. UM, it's

659
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: that felt expression. It really is that ability to release

660
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: what the feeling is, and then that's what helps us

661
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: reprogram and actually make the life we're seeking our actual

662
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: lives and make it sustainable and make it something that

663
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: serves us in a moment to moment basis. UM. And

664
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: I did something really similar to what you just said

665
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: where the way I approach UM, I was really interested

666
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: in what that connection is. But what you said, especially

667
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: around the vulnerability, HiT's so hard for me and hearing

668
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: that because all of the ways in which I've used

669
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: medicines one across the board is ceremonial or it's through

670
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: shamanic journeys. Um. And that for me is what I

671
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: needed to because I needed to completely disconnect from these

672
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: societal structures of how we're supposed to are allowed to

673
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: experience our lives and ourselves, and I needed to bring

674
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: it into a sacred container. I needed to exist in

675
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: this kind of divine womb um and be able to

676
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: experience myself truly as that spiritual being, disconnected from medicine,

677
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: from society, from all of the structures, all of the opinions,

678
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: all of the perceptions, all of the thinking yes, yes, yes,

679
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: yes to all that. Yeah. This morning, I um sat

680
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: with rape yes oh yes, um yeah. And and I

681
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: call that my blank slate medicine because it's like it

682
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: just shuts down the monkey mind. Like we have this

683
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: mind that's like all the time chatter, chatter, chatter, chatter, chatter,

684
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: chatter about a lot of stuff that really doesn't matter

685
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: that much. Like we expend a lot of energy thinking

686
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: about things that are either completely out of our control

687
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: or really carry very little weight in the grand scheme

688
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: of our lives and um, you can certainly get there

689
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: with with meditation as well, but some of these medicines

690
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: is just like okay, child to chatz down, listen to

691
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: these teachings. But this thing, UM, so I'm yeah, I mean,

692
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm just forever grateful, um for the ways in which

693
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: the medicine has allowed me to accelerate this path of

694
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: understanding myself. And I think, what's so important what you said?

695
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: Like my therapist used to my ow therapists used to say, like, okay,

696
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: so if you stop intellectualizing this situation and you actually

697
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: write like what's happening? And that was a very hard

698
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: question for me to answer. I mean, even in this

699
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: last UM, this transpersonal psychology retreat medicine retreat that I

700
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: was just on, you know, the levels or the ways

701
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: in which we perpetuate our disconnection from ourselves, which perpetuates

702
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: our disconnection from from everyone around us, everything around us,

703
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: from this understanding that we are everything and everyone at

704
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: all moments um, which can be a like also an

705
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: overwhelming sort of reality to welcome into your into your

706
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: mindset um, but is an expansive and liberating one as well.

707
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: To know that you know, everyone is a reflection of

708
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: you and your reflection of everyone. Um. So yeah, yeah,

709
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: it's it's ah. And you you said the about taking

710
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: it out of the this Western context into a ceremonial context,

711
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: which is you know, I think for me and my

712
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: experience with the medicine has been the greatest sort of

713
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: shift in in this intentional path and living life as

714
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: ceremony or life as a ritual um. And we do

715
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: have these new modalities and tools, right and like science

716
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: and research and cool things that we can you know,

717
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: combine with ancestral practice. So in our practice, part of

718
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: the way in which we do keep our community safe

719
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: and we do ensure that this is an intentional practice

720
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: is by weaving in preparation for the journey and talking

721
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: to you about your physical, mental, spiritual, environmental and communal

722
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: health and what are your support networks look like, and

723
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: what are your existent practices and where can we, you know,

724
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: support you more, enhance your practices or have you dig

725
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: and think a little bit deeper so that when you

726
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: get to the place of the journey, which is really

727
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: the awakening the awareness um like, you have more tools

728
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: to navigate that space and you get more out of

729
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: it like it is going to be an intense six

730
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: to eight to ten hours, depending on what the medicine

731
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: you're working with is. So you need like the stamina

732
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: and the tools and the feeling of support and safety

733
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: to really allow yourself to surrender into that space. So

734
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: you can get those eight to ten years of therapy

735
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: in one night, um, and then you need folks to

736
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: support you after and check in and hold you accountable.

737
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: What are the insights that you gained, what are the

738
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: patterns that you see repeating that you want to shift,

739
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: and what are the what steps are you going to

740
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: take to do that? So that's that's what we referred

741
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: to as the integration period, and like that period is

742
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: just as important, if not more important, than the journey itself,

743
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: Like how are you taking your downloads from your journey

744
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: and turning it into daily action, Like how are you

745
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: embodying the medicine in your day to day life to

746
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: actually shift your being and contribute to our collective liberation,

747
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: Because otherwise you're really just like on a mental playground

748
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: for a couple of hours and then you come back

749
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: to earth. Right, if you can figure out how you

750
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: work with the medicine, how you exist in relationship with

751
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: this ally to shift your life, to really bring intentionality

752
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: into your every moment. That's how we begin seeing these

753
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: really big shifts on personal and collective level. Oh my goodness,

754
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: thank you m hm, so beautifully perfectly fully shared. How

755
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: can everyone connect with your work, Charlotte. So you can

756
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: find a lot of this medicine work at the Ancestor

757
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: Project UM, the Ancestor Project on Instagram and Facebook, the

758
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Ancestor Project dot com. UM. If you want to come

759
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: sit in ceremony, we got you. UM. We work with

760
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: Combo Medicine and some others UM that we are really

761
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: privileged to to share with with our community. If you're

762
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: into the neked things Instagram and Facebook, we are naked UM.

763
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: And then personally, I am at creative by Charlotte uh

764
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: and you can find me in all those places. Let

765
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: everyone go, go go Charlotte James. I am so grateful

766
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: for your time today. Thank you for just the beauty

767
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: that you expressed this profound work with UM in the

768
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: way that you allowed us all to go a little

769
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: deeper into our own minds and hearts and really investigate

770
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: and and see what's on the table for us, what's

771
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: that this buffet. What are some new tools you can

772
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: try on, you know, what are some new surrenders we

773
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: can make for ourselves some spaces. I am really grateful.

774
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: I am going to be hitting you up separately because

775
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: we're going to go be naked and ceremony somewhere. Also,

776
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: if I could offer you asked I was listening to

777
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: another UM one of your podcasts and you asked for

778
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: like a practice or give us some work. Yes, so work,

779
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: um So. One of my favorite activities that we share

780
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: with folks is this questioning what you know. So take

781
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: a sheet of paper and you make like a tea graph,

782
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, like a horizontal line across the top, vertical

783
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: line down the center, and in the left column you

784
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: write everything you know because you've been told, whether it's

785
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: from a parent, a teacher, a religious leader, the news, UM,

786
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: your peers, whatever it is, everything that you know because

787
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: somebody has told you. And on the right side, UM,

788
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: in the right column, right, everything that you know because

789
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: you have experienced it, and you start to really peel

790
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: back the layers of truth in your own existence. So

791
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: that would be my offering m H for the collective.

792
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: That is good. Thank you, Thank you, for that, thank

793
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: you for this time, Thank you so much for having me.

794
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: Has been a blessing sister. And again you can connect

795
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: with Charlotte James on Instagram at Charlotte James and also

796
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: the Ancestor Project. And Charlotte shared some really powerful, powerful,

797
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: beautiful expressions on how to look at this work, how

798
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: to utilize this work, how to incorporate and integrate this

799
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: work into your spiritual practice or into the healing journey

800
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: that you are currently on. Uh And I want to share,

801
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: and I said this at the top of the episode,

802
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: but when it comes to working with these type of

803
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: ancient sacred tools of the earth, I am a purist

804
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: and I believe um and really creating a sacred container

805
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: around how you're experience this now this is my opinion,

806
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: and move through the world as you see fit based

807
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: on your intuition and your life experiences. But I personally

808
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: don't use these medicines for a turn up in any way.

809
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't use them for fun. I use them with

810
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: a deep gratitude and a deep reverence. And I set

811
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: up a ceremony for myself, whether that is me working

812
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: with mushroom, me working with cannabis, UH, me working with

813
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: some of the other medicines that are available. I spend

814
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot of time in meditation before I go into

815
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: this practice, and I set myself up to make sure

816
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: that I'm safe, that I'm hydrated, um that I can

817
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: be cared for. And then I also do quite a

818
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: bit of intention setting before I go into one of

819
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: these journeys. And so that can really look like taking

820
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: a moment to take in some deep breaths, getting a

821
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: journal and writing them down. What are you currently walking through,

822
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: what are you currently looking to be liberated from? Where

823
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: are you looking to be nourished, enhanced and healed, and

824
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: committing it to paper, committing to your heart, placing a

825
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: hand over your heart, and then saying a prayer for

826
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: your journey, and as you come out of that journey,

827
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: really allowing yourself to integrate the process. What did I learn,

828
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: what was I shown? How can I use this information?

829
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: How am I relating to myself in this moment? And

830
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: writing those things down and then really spending time after

831
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: the experience, not just like oh yeah, I did this,

832
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: I did that, you know, not as like this kind

833
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: of spiritual tokenism, but really allowing the medicine to inform

834
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: you over the coming days and weeks, and then continuing

835
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: to meditate on what came up for you, continuing to

836
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: journal to what came up for you. UM. I believe

837
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: that is how to use these tools and these sacred

838
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: gifts at the highest level of service for yourself. So

839
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Speaker 1: I hope you will take that under consideration. And if

840
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: you feel called in a way that is safe, um

841
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: and really serving for you, start researching this work, see

842
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: if it's a fit, and see where it takes you. Okay,

843
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: we'll be back next week. Big Love not a stay. Hey,

844
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: find me on social Let's connect at deVie Brown that

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00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, or go to my website Debbie Brown

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Speaker 1: dot com. And if you're listening to the show on

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