1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Ron An aian. 2 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 2: We save samples of well of gear oyl And I 3 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: guess that's right. I guess that's what car guys do, right. 4 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: You know, it's like proud Papa's. Oh look at the 5 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: gar oil I took out of the rear end of 6 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: your truck. Wow, look at that. I've never seen anything 7 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: that dark and dirty since well, the Car Doctor, is 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 2: the light on and is it? Is it on steady? 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 2: Or is the light blinking steady? Okay, So the fact 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: that it's on steady tells me there is a problem 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: in the system. 12 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of ron Anian the Car Doctor. 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 18 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: take your calls. At eight five, five five, six nine 19 00:00:54,040 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: hundred and now he running along the way. You know 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: what a phrase? Right somewhere along the way, this vehicle 21 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: went south. And how many times a week do I 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: hear that it becomes a problem? Because you know it's 23 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: going to be a problem child. I want to go 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: in the shop right away. By the way, I want 25 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: to go in the shop courtesy of Atozone right here, 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: because this is our in the shop repair this week. 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought it's timely. We had 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: an O seven Dodge Caravan came in with a P 29 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: zero four to forty EVAP failure. P zero four forty 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: is a general EVAP emissions control failure. It's not really specific. 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 2: It will take you to various components and various things 32 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: to look for, but it's not like a P zero 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: four to fifty six or a P zero four to 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: fifty seven, where we're talking about leak size, or or 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: a four to forty nine, which is a leak detection 36 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: pump high circuit failure or something like that. A four 37 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: to forty is it's sort of like a general alert, 38 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: you know, warning, warning, real Robinson, something's wrong. And through 39 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: the course of diagnosis, I found that the leaked detection 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: pump worked, but sort of I found that the purge 41 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: valve was leaking, and that explained the four to fifty 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: six because it was a four forty and a four 43 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: to fifty six on this car. But it was a 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: very strange sequence and series of events that had me 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: doing a bit of research on this. I fixed the 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: four to fifty six first. The four to fifty six 47 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: is a small evapp leak. I was able to test 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: the purge valve we all know is in the passenger 49 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: side front corner of the engine compartment and prove that 50 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: clear cut bad mechanical failure would not hold. Uh you 51 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: know it mechanically leaked, electrically disconnected each and every time 52 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: bad valve. Change it, you know, And you got to 53 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: do that, right guys. I mean it's it's change what 54 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: you know is bad. Move on to the next thing. 55 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: There's no you know, we can't we can't decide if 56 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: where we're going here? You know where are we going? 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: You know, based on Well, I gotta fix this. I 58 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: have to do this. First fix that called up what 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: does on? They sent me a purge valve. 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 3: Done. 61 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: Now I've got to deal with the four to forty 62 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: And the four to fifty six went away, by the way, 63 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: so the four to fifty six is gone. Now I'm 64 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: dealing with the four to forty. Now, there's a function 65 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: and scan tool where you can do what I call 66 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: the service bay test. Some will refer to it as 67 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: just a leak leak detection pump monitor functionality test, but 68 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: it's a it's a bay test. You're doing it in 69 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: the shop. And we went through the bay test and 70 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: it passed, but it failed. It passed a large leak test. 71 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: But I never saw the switch, the leak detection pump 72 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: switch which is inside the leaked detection pump change from 73 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: open to closed. It never changed state. And I said, well, 74 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: what the heck is that, because it's gotta Basically, the 75 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: way a leak detection pump works is it's it's the 76 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: theory of gaseous evolution, as I call it. Right as 77 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: the vehicle sits at rest, a a liquid will give 78 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: off and develop. It will develop pressure or vacuum depending 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: upon the temperature outside, and put the system into one 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: state or the other. And that's how a leak detection 81 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: pump works. They're counting on it to either build pressure 82 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: or lose pressure and then measure to see if the 83 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: system has integrity based on that. So I never saw 84 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: the leaked detection pump switch work. So I started to 85 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: take a look at coming out of that PCM. The 86 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: power train control module on the seven Dodge Caravan which 87 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: is located by the way in a real great spot. 88 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: If I was the engineer, I got to give credit 89 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: to the guy that designed this because he put the 90 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: power train control module right outside the frame rail on 91 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: the left front bumper, So if the car gets hit 92 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: in the left front corner, that's the first thing they 93 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: get taken out. Boy, there's a And if it's missing 94 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: the cowling, you know, the splash shield underneath the computer 95 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: will rust and rot in a matter of weeks in 96 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: a high salt, high high water environment because there's just 97 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: no protection for it. So good job, guys. I hope 98 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: that guy's retired, not working anymore. So went to the 99 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: power train control module and yeah, it was rusted and 100 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: creuddy looking. But what got my attention was and looking 101 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: at the leak detection pump. The wires coming down to 102 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: the LDP were green, yellow, and black, and yet my 103 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: wiring diagram called for them to be violet white, violet blue, 104 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: and black. Somewhere along the way, this vehicle got a 105 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: wiring harness change it. It was something's wrong here, and 106 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: I filed the harness all the way back to the 107 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: PCM and the left front bumper in and found that 108 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: somebody had modified and I just I don't understand the 109 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: thought process. Right, they sectioned there was four butt connect repairs, 110 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: like they spliced this whole series and gangly mess of 111 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: wires together with just open ended butt connections. And I 112 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: came to the conclusion, and it's got to be that 113 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: this vehicle was in an accident, because when I looked 114 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 2: at the body panels, I mean, it is fifteen going 115 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: on sixteen years old, and it's hard to see exactly 116 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 2: because a lot's happened in the past two hundred thousand 117 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: plus miles of this vehicle that this was just a mess. 118 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to run a new wire. I wanted to 119 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: run all new horness, and I did. I called up AutoZone. 120 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: All right, they have if you go into AutoZone, one 121 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: of the great things about the AutoZone Pro website is 122 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: and they have it on the regular website too, you 123 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: can type in the Armake model of a vehicle. I typed 124 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 2: in wiring harness repair, and they came up with They 125 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: actually came up with a trailer harness. A trailer wiring 126 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 2: harness that was long enough as if you were going 127 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: to add a trailer And I like trailer wire. Trailer 128 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: wire is very durable, right, It's designed to take the 129 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: elements designed to be in the back of a vehicle, 130 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: so it takes roadbuse and assault. And in this case 131 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: it was perfect. It was a three wire harness. I 132 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: needed three wires, bingo. I soldered myself my wires together, 133 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: except on pin thirty five at the PCM, I found 134 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: that the exposure to moisture from the previous poor repair 135 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: had left a damaged connector. The harness was corroded on 136 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: the inside, and that's why I was showing open no 137 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: state of change at the leaked detection pump switch. I 138 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: took the connector apart, little tedious, you know, took the 139 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: connector apart, snipped away at the bad part, cleaned it 140 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: away like the cancer that it was, and grafted a 141 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: new piece of wiran with a drop of soder. Then 142 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: heat shrinked right over the top made it. I mean, 143 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: it was perfect, It really was. I there's no other 144 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: way to say it. I did a great job. And 145 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: you know, one of those repairs you kind of thump 146 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: your chest and say look at me, mum, and you know, 147 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: put it together wired in the trailer harness from AutoZone 148 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: and you know, changed the end. They also had a 149 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: harnessed connector for the leak detection pump sold or that 150 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: in heat shrunk everything together, sealed. 151 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 4: It all up. 152 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: What do you know? It's fixed? And you know the 153 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: point of this becomes that you need a resource, right, 154 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: you need a resource for parts, you need a resource 155 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: for information. AutoZone gave us the parts, We had the 156 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: information through our various you know, online services. But the 157 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: degree of difficulty for repairing that that vehicle that was 158 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: in an accident just it goes up each and every time. 159 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: And I know my shop owners and my technicians out 160 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: there have been in this dog fight and sometimes. And 161 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: where I got my inspiration for some of this was 162 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: I just sat down on the AutoZone website and I 163 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: just started I just started typing in the things I 164 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: needed and looked to see what what can I find? 165 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: What is it going to be there? Because you know, 166 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: how do I fix this? I don't want to just 167 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: run three new wires and it's just more tedious and 168 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: it just makes my job that much harder and longer. 169 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: I needed a piece of wire, probably every bit of 170 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: three and a half feet long, four feet long because 171 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: it had to run from the PCM and the left 172 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: front bumper, over the top, down around and into the LdpA. 173 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: So consider the website. You know, the website is also 174 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: I think a big part of the repair process as 175 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: we go in the shop. So that's my tip for 176 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 2: this hour this week. And welcome to the Car Doctor. 177 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: Eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 178 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: Running any of the car Doctor and I'll be back 179 00:08:53,160 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: right after this. Don't go away time, ride it on 180 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 2: the wall so you don't forget to call for car advice. 181 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: Done right? Eight five five five six zero nine nine 182 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: zero zero. Now back to Rod. Hey, let's wander down 183 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: to Delaware and talk to Mike. Mike, Welcome to the 184 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: car Doctor. Sir, how can I help. 185 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 5: A you doing wrong? 186 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: I'm doing great even, yes, sir, good? What's going on? 187 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 5: Kind of question? I need your opinion. I've got a 188 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 5: two thousand and nine Ford Escape and I'm gonna get 189 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 5: the whole break job rotors and everything. Should I get 190 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 5: oem forward parts if they still't make them, or go 191 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 5: to all those zone Now I did stop at all 192 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 5: those in the last week and just checked on like 193 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 5: if they had rotors for it, they said, door less 194 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 5: has a coated rot Do you recommend coder? 195 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? I like and I like the Doura last line 196 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: of break I really do. I like the dour last 197 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: line of parts. But they're their brakes are really great. 198 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: Their rotors are oem spec. Uh they're coded. Their their 199 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: coat their coat. Yeah, they're coded rotors. Are you know 200 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: they're I mean it's the only way to their slick. 201 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 5: What's that mean? Run? They got some kind of thing 202 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: over the castor. 203 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, a coded rotor has a protective coating, uh, 204 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: onto the rotor itself so that it won't rot and rust. 205 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: The parts that aren't you know, not the brekepad area, 206 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: but the non breakpad area, so the hub, the flanges, 207 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: the edges, they don't rust or rot as fast. And 208 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: living in Delaware, you're in the you know, you're in 209 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: the You're you're in Salt Central. Uh, you know, so 210 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: they tend not to rust as fast. They're calipers. They're 211 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 2: break calipers. Their dural ass break calipers are like works 212 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: of art. They really are. They're gorgeous. They're they're they're 213 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: they're they're plated and protected. There's everything's in the box. 214 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: You know, it's like this way you don't open the 215 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: box and it's not been picked through, and oh g 216 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: do I have this spring? And do I need this clip? 217 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: And where is this? They give you the little copper 218 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: gaskets for the you know, for the for the hoses 219 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: to seal against. Yeah, good stuff, absolutely good stuff. And 220 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: it's from adels On. So it has a really great warranty, 221 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it should there be a problem, 222 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 2: which there won't be. But yeah, yeah, absolutely no, you 223 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: don't need to use fort stuff, not for that, not 224 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: at all. 225 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 5: Oh okay, Now the question is when I take it 226 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 5: to my mechanic and should I get we O barons 227 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 5: for it? It's got one hundred and seventeen down. I mean, 228 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 5: I don't hear. 229 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: No ro. 230 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: Right no, because if we if we you know, if 231 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: we worry about that or what else are we going 232 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: to start changing fifteen years old? Hundred seventeen, you know 233 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: we're gonna start We're gonna jack up the radiator cap 234 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: and drive a new car. Underneath that being said, you know, 235 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: no guarantee. But for all the escapes we work on, 236 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: and we work on more than a few, all right, Uh, 237 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: you know I can honestly say, I'm thinking maybe we've 238 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: done two wheel bearings. Maybe, and it's it's been, it's 239 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: been rears. It's for some reason they wear out rear 240 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 2: wheel bearings before. And I think one of the ones 241 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: we did rear wheel bearings on it's because we were 242 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 2: doing the differential and that car had one hundred and 243 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: sixty five thousand miles on it. So we were like, 244 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: you know, hey, we're already there, we're changing. Let's just 245 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: you know, we did we were doing I know what 246 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: it was. We were doing breaks, we were doing shocks, 247 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: we were doing the diff because the diff it failed, 248 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: Let's just do wheel bearings and then we never have 249 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: to look at the back of the car again. And 250 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: it was there wasn't obviously a labor savings. But no, 251 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: I think, you know, one hundred and seventeen thousand miles 252 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: on a modern car with reasonable care is not high 253 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 2: mileage anymore, you know, I think I think three hundred 254 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: thousand miles is the life expectancy of a typical vehicle today. 255 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's but then again, you know, if 256 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 2: if at one hundred and thirty thousand miles the transmission failed, 257 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: all right, would you put a trans in it, and 258 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 2: it'll come down to you know, but but but would 259 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: you write and I and I think if you've given 260 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: the car care and caution and respect, you know, if 261 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: the trans was six or seven thousand dollars, six or 262 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars for the trans is cheaper than sixty 263 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 2: for a new one or thirty for a new one 264 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: or you know, it's it's you know, we we we've 265 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: we've got a weird mindset towards vehicles. I don't want 266 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: to spend any money on this one, so I'm gonna 267 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: go out and buy a new one, which is a 268 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: whole nother conversation. 269 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 5: So that's another question you just brought up. Should I 270 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 5: go ahead and stock Paul Parks for it likes or something? 271 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: No, and I don't. I don't think it's practical. I 272 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: think there's enough of those cars out there that they'll 273 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: be around. You know, I think you should probably see 274 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: another sixty seven years of parts availability for that vehicle 275 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: in terms of product. You know, that's the that's the 276 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: old square body escape and yeah, those those I've had. 277 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 5: The trans fluid just changed, yeah, tennessee, right, you know, well, 278 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 5: I'm the second owner, so he had it when he 279 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 5: had he had the trans fluid change right. 280 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, as long as you as long as 281 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: you're doing fluids, you know, you got to follow the rule. 282 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: At sixty ninety one hundred and twenty one hundred and fifty, 283 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: every thirty thousand miles, it's going to need fluids or 284 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: service or something. Not all of them, but just you know, 285 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: stay in sync. Typically every typically every sixty you're going 286 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: to do all the fluids or sooner every fifty to sixty. 287 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's not unreasonable. 288 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 5: I was hearing on the radio you were talking about 289 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 5: the apsh wh're not taking in. I want to have 290 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 5: him to change the break fluid. He don't have to. 291 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 5: Does he have to unhook the lines or anything to 292 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 5: change the break fluid? Or is just a straight fl uh? 293 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: No, it should be a straight it should be a 294 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: straight fluid exchange. It's not. It's not a drain. 295 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 5: I don't have knock on wood. I don't have no 296 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 5: problem with abs on it. 297 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's not. It's not a fluid. 298 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: It's not a drain. It's a fluid exchange. And you 299 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: know you know what you may want to consider on 300 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: an older vehicle, and this is a little extreme, but 301 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: you know, how far do we want to go? It's 302 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: not the worst way to go. But at one hundred 303 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: and seventeen miles fifteen years old, how dirty is the 304 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: break fluid? If the master cylinder is really scrungy and 305 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: the fluid's really discolored. 306 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 5: The first genre must have had it changed or something, 307 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 5: you know, because it looks like, you know, the orange 308 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 5: reddish color right right? 309 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, then you shot. 310 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 5: Your you know, I mean, then you like it's new. 311 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: You should be Yeah, you should be. Okay, then, Mike, 312 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't anticipate a problem. You know, there's 313 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: there's there's not. 314 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 5: A lot of thing. I'd let you go. You bring 315 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 5: back memories when you're seventy two minding color and you're 316 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 5: fifty five. If I win the power Ball, can I 317 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 5: buy them from you? 318 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: No? 319 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 5: I had to when I in my younger dage. 320 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: I'll help you. I'll help you build one of each though. Okay, 321 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: you know, but like like I tell my kids, ron 322 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: doesn't come cheap, but we'll have a whole lot of 323 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: fun doing it. So you're very welcome. Mike, you know, yeah, 324 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: it's funny, right, you start talking about older cars and 325 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: the wave of emotion that comes over people, and you 326 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: know there's no there's no replacement for it. Have you 327 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: seen on YouTube there's a there's a series now I'm watching, 328 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: you know, Fridays with Frank about the Penal County Officer 329 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: Peedle County Sheriff's Deputy Frank in Frank's sloop out in 330 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: Arizona and he's pulling people over, and he's pulling over 331 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: the younger kids. He pulled over a kid in a 332 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: newer Mustang clock at one hundred and twenty one miles 333 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: an hour speeding right, and like he just arrested him. 334 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: You know, you're going to jail. This is criminal. And 335 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: you can see the look on officer sloops face or 336 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: deputy sloops face. I'm sorry. You know that he's just 337 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: disgusted because they just don't respect the speed and the power. 338 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: One thing you can say about older muscle cars is 339 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: you always had to respect them, because if you didn't, 340 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: you know, you kind of learned the hard way real quick. 341 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 3: Uh. 342 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: You know it's it's the newer cars are just it's 343 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: it's not a big deal. To go fast than the 344 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: newer cars because it's so easy to do in the 345 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: older cars. It took a little bit of you know, 346 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: hang on to the wheel and you know, grip this 347 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: and a white knuckle ride. And I think I think 348 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: that's you know, I think that's missing. But you you 349 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: always see people get a little emotional when you talk 350 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: about older cars and muscle cars and hot rods, and 351 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: because it was a simpler time. You know, there's a 352 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: reason American Graffiti as a movie is still so popular. 353 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: There's a reason why two Lane Blacktop as a movie 354 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 2: is referred to as a little bit of a cult 355 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: icon period of Americana. Right. You don't see anybody talking 356 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: about I had my five Nissan Versa out and I 357 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: was cruising the boulevard. You know that just that stuff 358 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: just doesn't exist, right, It's just just a different time. 359 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: So but I'm glad I was able to stir up 360 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: some memories in your mic, and hopefully they were all 361 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: good ones. We all have our good memories of cruising 362 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: around the old days for all us old timers. So anyway, 363 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero 364 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero, 365 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: There I said it twice. I'm running an in the 366 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: car doctor Hall be back right after this. Welcome back, 367 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: running any of the Card Doctor here at eight five 368 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: five five six zero nine nine zero zero. By the way, 369 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 2: more information. We're building our YouTube channel. You can get 370 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: out there. Look for ronin Anie and the Card Doctor 371 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 2: or Ron and Ayan on YouTube. We're trying to get 372 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: some more videos up and we've gotten a couple of 373 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 2: requests for certain things like one break fluid bleeding, break 374 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: fluid flushing. We're gonna get a video up on that 375 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks, I promise. We're just backed 376 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: up on the production schedule, sou And you know, a 377 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: lot of these things are just we're in the shop 378 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: and I'm okay, let's do this real quick, and I'll 379 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: grab Danny and well, you know, and a lot of 380 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: it's just off the top of my head. So if 381 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: it doesn't look professional, guess what it's not. It's not scripted. 382 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: It's just you know, in the shop, bang zoom, uh. 383 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 2: You know, we drop things with things are out of place, 384 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: the camera's not focused for a minute. You know, that's 385 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: just real in the shop, guys. That's the way we 386 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: keep it so we're just trying to give you information, 387 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: you know, take it as that. So anyway, but you 388 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 2: have more to come. Let's go over and talk to 389 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 2: Joe in North Carolina at twelve Chevy Equinox. Joe, Welcome 390 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: to the car doctor, sir, how can I help? Hey? 391 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 6: Thanks, you're welcome. Hello, yes, sir, Hey, how's it going good? 392 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 6: But it's my it's my daughter's car. And when you 393 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 6: come up to a stop sign or stop like, it'll 394 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 6: start surgeon and opium opiums go from like a thousand 395 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 6: to five hundred. And we just had. 396 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 7: Had the mechanic random scanner on it and it came 397 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 7: up as a high high fuel pressure sensor, okay, and 398 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 7: we replaced that and that still didn't do it. And 399 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 7: our next thing he was going to replace is a 400 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 7: time chain, all. 401 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: Right, before he does that, all right, just because that 402 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: fuel pressure sensor is a five vault reference device. You 403 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: got a pencil and paper. 404 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 7: I do not. 405 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 6: I'm actually totally on the side of the road. 406 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: Right all right, Try and remember this GM has a 407 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: they call it a PIP, Preliminary Information for repair p IP. 408 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: It's a pit five oh one three and they talk 409 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: about five vault references, of which I believe that fuel 410 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 2: pressure sensor is on that list. And they start talking 411 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: about having intermittent or random failures of components based on 412 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: potential five vault sensor feeds you see on that vehicle, 413 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: like a lot of vehicles, you know that that particular 414 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: sensor would use a five vault reference that a lot 415 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: of sensors use. And you know, if you if you 416 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: follow the scan tool and look at the code, if 417 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 2: you live by the code, you die by the code. 418 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: You know, you'll say it'll it'll have a fault code 419 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: for a fuel pressure sensor. But it's not that it's 420 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 2: a CAM actuator, or it's a trans control uh switch, 421 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: or it's a so read read PIP five oh one three, 422 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: And he'll get an idea of you know, possibly could 423 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: this just be a five vault reference problem, not necessarily 424 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: a failed component? In other words, is it wiring more 425 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: than it's a bad component if you follow what I'm saying, 426 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: all right now, that's number one. Number two, uh, the 427 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: fact that it it it drops, You know that it 428 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 2: drops down to five hundred from one thousand. You know, 429 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: if you pop it into neutral, does it stay at 430 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: a thousand. Is it the weight of the transmission so 431 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: to speak, that's pulling it down or is it just 432 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: gonna thank you go. 433 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 6: Ahead, Yeah you can. 434 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 7: You can put it in neutral and it'll pretty much stop. 435 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: Okay, So that you know, maybe do we do we 436 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: have a problem developing in the trends? Is the converter 437 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: hanging up and not releasing? Does the Is the problem 438 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 2: always there regardless of temperature? Or is it better when 439 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: it's cold and it does it worse when it's hot? 440 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 6: I would think more when is hot? 441 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: Okay? 442 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 7: I drove it after after I got it from the panic. 443 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 7: I drove it for two hours round trip two hours, 444 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 7: and on the way back it started doing it. It 445 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 7: did bind the whole way right? 446 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: Does it? Does it? Does it start to stutter or shudder? Joe? 447 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: Is it? Is it like a manual transmission vehicle you 448 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: left in gear as you pulled up to a stop sign, 449 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: didn't push, didn't push in the clutch? Is it that 450 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 2: kind of. 451 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 7: A almost like you're giving a gas and then like 452 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 7: you're power breaking it almost you know, it's brushing the. 453 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: Head right, you know? And then could it be something 454 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 2: as simple? I don't think so, but I want to 455 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: mention this simple stuff too. Could we just have a 456 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: dirty throttle body? We have a throttle body that's just 457 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 2: you know, filthy dirty. It closes, it's choking for air 458 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: and the computer can't compensate and keep up for it. 459 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: How many miles are on this. 460 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 6: About about one hundred and seventy Yeah. 461 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 2: Four cylinder, six cylinder, four cylinder, Yeah, you know, can 462 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: we just have a dirty throttle body? 463 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: You know? 464 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: One of the things, you know, when people call me 465 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: for help, not here, but at the shop, when other 466 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: shops call me for help. You know, I don't just 467 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: give out information, not like I do here. It's easier 468 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: to talk to me here than it is in the shop, 469 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: because otherwise I'd spend all day on the phone. I 470 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: never get anything done, and I always require them. You know. 471 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: It's like I got the filthy five that I like 472 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: to call it. You know, it's I want them to 473 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: give me. You know, what's mass air flouid idol, what's 474 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 2: engine vacuum, what's relative throttle angle? Did they do a 475 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: volumetric efficiency test? You know, there's a lot of basic 476 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: little things that you or your mechanic, your mechanic hopefully 477 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: could do you know, and I encourage you or him, 478 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: I encourage all everybody. Don't just look for that probably, 479 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 2: you know, don't. Everybody says to me what he thinks wrong? Well, 480 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's figure out what's right, what's working, 481 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: because I've got to tell you, in all my years, 482 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: and especially in the last eight eight or ten, I've 483 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,239 Speaker 2: learned that looking for what's good will usually lead you 484 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 2: to what's bad a lot faster if you get my 485 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: If you get my meaning, So you know, maybe maybe 486 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: looking at throttle angle cold, throttle angle hot does something change. 487 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 2: Maybe looking at you know, mass airflow at idle, like 488 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: for example, that's got a mass airflow sensor on it, 489 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 2: and you can get a reading of grams per second. 490 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: Forget the technical side of it. But that's a two 491 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: point four lead four cylinder, right, Yeah, Typically at idle 492 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: on a warmed up engine, on a two point four, 493 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: you're going to see wait for it, two point four 494 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 2: two point five grams of airflow. Right if if you're 495 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: seeing three grams, if you're seeing four grams, tells me 496 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: I got an airflow problem. Wouldn't that give me a 497 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: better indication than hoping for a code? Right? You know 498 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: it tells me something's over. You know, not to make this, 499 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: you know, cliche, because this is the card Doctor. But 500 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: it's like going to the doctor, you know, heart rate, 501 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: blood pressure, aches, pains, moans, groans, look for the obvious. 502 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: Don't let the patient tell you that kind of thing. 503 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: So all right, check those things out. And if your 504 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: mechanic wants to listen to any of this, God bless him. 505 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: He can pick it up on the podcast. Just Google 506 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: search r on an Indium Card Doctor podcast. This is 507 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: going to be hour two whatever today's day is, what 508 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: is today day? Today is the seventeenth. 509 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 4: I think. 510 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: That's the weekend. I know that, you know, this will 511 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 2: be hour two after the bottom of the hour, and 512 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: he can pick it up here. And if he has 513 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 2: any questions, I'd be glad to talk to him. We 514 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: can kind of walk through it, all right, sir. 515 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 6: Okay, great, thanks for your help. 516 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: You're very welcome. Joe. Yeah. Stop, you know I say 517 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 2: this all the time. You can't look for what's bet 518 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: If we knew it was bad, why would be having 519 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: the conversation? Right, tell me what's good, tell me what's good. 520 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what's bad. The Filthy five we go 521 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: through it all the time. So anyway, eight five five 522 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 2: five six zero nine nine zero zero running any of 523 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 2: the Car Doctor. I'm back right after this. 524 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 4: Don't go away. 525 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 2: Welcome back, Running the Car Doctor. Let's let's go to 526 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: Is that Toby in Pennsylvania? Toby, Welcome to the Car Doctor. Sir, 527 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 2: how can I help? 528 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: Hey man, I appreciate the show. 529 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 6: Thank you what you do. 530 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 3: Thank you. I have a twenty twenty one Ford Bronco convertible. 531 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: Although I'm not sure if that matters, but when you 532 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: put the window down a little bit, you know, just 533 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 3: to let some air in, it has a rattle. When 534 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: you hit bumps or any sort of anything. It has 535 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 3: a very loud, obnoxious rattle that happens. 536 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 2: Okay, I've looked. 537 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: Online for like, and I've found codes that say to 538 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 3: fix it. I've taken it to the dealership and told 539 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 3: them about the codes, and they kind of kind of 540 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 3: blew off and said, you know, hey, we don't wait 541 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 3: till there's a recall or something like that. And I'm 542 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: just wondering if there's any way that I can mitigate 543 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: that rattle before you know, any sort of official recalling. 544 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: So are you saying I wouldn't wait for the recall. 545 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: I would, I would, I would increase the volume of 546 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: my voice. Are you saying, if you grab the window 547 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: when it's down partially, Toby, you can make this noise 548 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: go away? 549 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, So in other words, yeah, if I roll 550 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 3: it out the window just you know, like a quarter inch, 551 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: half inch maybe you know, an inch, once you roll 552 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: it down past that, it doesn't rattle. But when you 553 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 3: roll it down just a little bit, if you hit 554 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: a bump, at rattles. But if I put pressure on 555 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 3: it as I'm driving and it hit a bump, it 556 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: does not rattle. 557 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: Kind of how many miles on this car? 558 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: About about the twenty. 559 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: Thousand, Okay, so it's still under warranty, right. 560 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 3: Uh yeah yeah yeah yeah but again and I've looked 561 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 3: online and everyone seems to have this issue. So I 562 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: think it's it's maybe just by function of the nine 563 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: of the of the windows, because there's not like a frame, 564 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: because it is you know, when you put the window up, there's. 565 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: No edge, right, it's it's it's it's because it's because 566 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: the regulator isn't holding it correctly because the guide down bottom. 567 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 2: You know, if you were to take the door panel off. 568 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 2: There's this is likely and I believe it is a 569 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: how can I say it? It's a it's a reel 570 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 2: and cable, uh, window regulator. It's there's not a lot 571 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: of metal here, you know, it's a spool and cable. 572 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Uh, you know, And there's gonna be a guide. 573 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: There's gonna be some sort of a metal guide on 574 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: the door pillar or the doorframe that has to kind 575 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 2: of guide the window up as it goes up. They 576 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: probably have to increase tension on that. It's it's just 577 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: at that moment. But I wouldn't wait. I don't know 578 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: that I would wait for, you know, this alleged recall 579 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: to come through. And I don't. I don't like that 580 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: answer from a dealership that tells me somebody doesn't want 581 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: to do their job. You know what, how cheap was 582 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: that car? Let's start there. 583 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: Uh, it wasn't cheap product during COVID H So I 584 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: probably overpaid by about five thousand, right, Uh. 585 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: So that was a sixty thousand dollars view what I wanted? 586 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, right, so are you are you sixty thousand 587 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: dollars worth of angry? I? You know, I let's fix 588 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: it right. 589 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, not quite that, but but yeah, yeah, right, you 590 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: know it's uh, I love the vehicle. The only that's 591 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: the only issue I have really is the window rattle. 592 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 6: And like I said, I've I've. 593 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: Seen online that you know, many many people have this issue. 594 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: And and some people have said there's like a plug 595 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 3: underneath the door or something that you can do something 596 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 3: with or I don't know, but yeah, I mean there has. 597 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: To be take take your take your thumb and forefinger 598 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: and put them together. Are you doing that? Okay? Now 599 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: spread them apart? Now spread them apart. The thickness of 600 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: the glass. Okay, that's that's there. There's got to be 601 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: something like that holding the glass inside the door. And 602 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: if there isn't, there should If there isn't, there should be, 603 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 2: right because if they're telling, if you're if they up 604 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: that they support that glass completely off the regulator, that's 605 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: that's that's just stupid, all right. There's got to be 606 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: some sort of structural support. So in my mind that 607 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: that thumb and four finger clamp wherever that is, has 608 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: to be tightened up. But I wouldn't I wouldn't wait 609 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: for the Ford dealer to you know, come up with 610 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: the magical recall. I'd be calling Ford Corporate. You can 611 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: elevate the case, ask for a field supervisor, ask for 612 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: somebody to come out and look at it. This is 613 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: a this is a big deal to you. This isn't 614 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: something you want to live with and see what they say. Uh, 615 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: you know, you know this is this Listen. I went 616 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: through this, and here's why I took my wife's explorer 617 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: that I no longer own to the dealership because I 618 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: wanted to have this experience. But I've been through this. 619 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: I'd seen customers go through this. I went through this. 620 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: You've got to elevate it. When the dealer doesn't want 621 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: to do anything, you've got to elevate the case and 622 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: and get Ford Corporate involved, because then they will do something. 623 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: It may take a while, but something will get accomplished. 624 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 2: And the first thing is a field engineer quote unquote 625 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: has to come out and look at it, and they 626 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: will tell you, yeah, there's a problem, and then how 627 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: are they going to fix it? All right? 628 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: Gotcha? 629 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: So gotcha? 630 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 3: Do you do you? In quick question? Do you have 631 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 3: any like I mean, these are relatively new vehicles. Have 632 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: you heard anything good, bad or otherwise in terms of 633 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 3: you know, longevity and everything else. Mostly I have a 634 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 3: two point three. 635 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, mostly most most of it. Most of that vehicle 636 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: is built on a on the escape platform or was 637 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 2: prior to the body changeover. So I've heard a lot 638 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: of good things about it. But yeah, you're right, they're 639 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: they're too new, so we have no longevity idea. But uh, 640 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: you know, if the window indicator and how well they 641 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,479 Speaker 2: respond to it as any indication, we'll see, so let 642 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: us know what happens. Toby, I'm kind of curious and uh, well, 643 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: you know, if I talk to anybody at four it, 644 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: I'll kind of try and put some pressure on from 645 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 2: my side. But your voice needs to be heard. They 646 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: need to know what's going on because that will help 647 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: motivate anything to get done. So as well as anybody 648 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: else listening that has that particular problem, I appreciate the call. 649 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: I'm ronning any in the car, doctor, I'm back right 650 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: after this. 651 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 8: Stop. 652 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back. Let's real quick get over to Troy from Tennessee. Troy, 653 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: I got about two minutes, babe. What's going on all right? 654 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 8: Uh? Dollar's car two thousand and four PT cruiser right. 655 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 8: The blinkers they'll work for about ten seconds and then quit. 656 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 8: I've replaced the fuses, the flasher. The hazards will work 657 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 8: as long as you leave them moment, just blink flashes, 658 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 8: flashes flashes. Okay, but the blinkers, I mean, I don't 659 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 8: understand it. It'll work like I say, you're sitting at 660 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 8: a red light or a you know, a turn turn 661 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 8: signal comes on and stays on for ten seconds and 662 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 8: then cuts off. Okay, you can't manually make them mark either. 663 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: All right. So so when the turn signals stop working, 664 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 2: does the does the heater work? 665 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 8: Yes? 666 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: And the windows work yep. The only thing that's failed 667 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: is the turn signal. Even the hazards, okay, the only 668 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: because they did have a problem with connector one O 669 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 2: six where it would melt and but you would see 670 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 2: other things. So everything else in the car works electrically, right, Okay, 671 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: So you know my first place I would stop is 672 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: the multifunction switch itself. But I would pin it out. 673 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: I wouldn't just change it, all right, I would grab 674 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: a wiring diagram. There's two powers in Do I have 675 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: power in from both fuses? And the only way you're 676 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 2: gonna know is that pin it out with a vault meter. 677 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to go down the base of the 678 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: steering column and pull the connector apart. You know, do 679 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: I have power in? And then do I have signal 680 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: coming out? All right? My guess is it's going to 681 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 2: be internal and the multifunction switch for the turn signals. 682 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 2: If you were to turn the turn signals off, I 683 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 2: don't know, give it two minutes to cool down and 684 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: try turning them back on again. Do they work? 685 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: No? 686 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 8: You just about have to shut the car off and 687 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 8: you know, go back out tomorrow, you know, hours later. 688 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: Right. So it's it's because to me, it sounds like 689 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: something's getting hot and is opening electrically, and that makes 690 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: me think that that that multifunction switch the actual turn 691 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: lever itself. Have you tried, you know, kind of gently 692 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: massaging the switch just to get it to move a 693 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 2: little bit? Does it? 694 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 8: You know? 695 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: And it has no difference whatsoever? And the hazards still work? Yeah, okay, 696 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: well I can save you the trouble. Then if the 697 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: hazards work, we know we've got power coming in because 698 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 2: the two fuses that supply hazards also supply turn signal. 699 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 2: All right, that's what I right, So so I can 700 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 2: save you that step there. So then my next question 701 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 2: is do we have you know? Well, well, here's the 702 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 2: catch though, the ground for the turn signals is different 703 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: than for the hazards. Okay, all right, so you know, 704 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,479 Speaker 2: get yourself a wiring diagram and start to separate the two. 705 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 2: Because your first clue is, you know the hazards are working. 706 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 2: What's what's the difference between hazards and turn signal? And 707 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: I believe the ground for the turn signal is going 708 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: to be different, I would go, I would go chase that. 709 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 2: As you know, you're getting power out to the bulbs, 710 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 2: you just may not necessarily be getting ground for the 711 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 2: ground circuit to work on the turn signal side of it. 712 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 2: So do that. If you need more, if you need 713 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 2: a wiring diagram, send me an email Ron at cardoctorshow 714 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: dot com Troy, and I'll be glad to get something 715 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: out to you. I'm running ay in the car doctor 716 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: till the next time, reminding all of you good mechanics 717 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 2: aren't expensive, They're priceless. 718 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 4: See you