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Speaker 1: Day three with no permanent Speaker of the House and

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Speaker 1: forty three days to a possible government shutdown. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the fastest show in politics. As the race for speaker

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Speaker 1: gets underway in earnest, but the debate over funding the

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Speaker 1: government is on ice because of all of this. We're

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Speaker 1: joined ahead by Congressman Brad Sherman, the Democrat from California

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Speaker 1: serves on Financial Services as well as the Foreign Affairs committees,

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Speaker 1: and join those voting to remove Kevin McCarthy this week.

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Speaker 1: He'll be with us in just a moment. New fundraising

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Speaker 1: numbers out from the Republican campaign trail, Donald Trump out

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Speaker 1: raising Ronda Santis by threefold, and some members of the

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Speaker 1: RNC are now questioning whether to have any more debates

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Speaker 1: at all. We'll talk about it all with our panel,

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor Republican strategist Rick Davis, joined today by

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Speaker 1: Democratic analyst Alvin Jordan from Rock Solutions. Little Friday, as

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Speaker 1: we call it around here, and not a lot has

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Speaker 1: changed from this time yesterday as we consider the lack

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Speaker 1: of motion on Capitol Hill when it comes to not

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Speaker 1: only funding our government but finding another Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 1: As we prepare to talk this out with Brad Sherman,

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Speaker 1: we actually heard some advice from the other chamber. Republican

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Speaker 1: leader Mitch McConnell loath to give advice to Kevin McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: at least publicly during his tenure as speaker, and he

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Speaker 4: I have no advice the House Republicans except one. I

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Speaker 4: hope whoever the next speaker is, gets rid of the

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Speaker 4: motion to vacate I think it makes the Speaker's job impossible,

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Speaker 4: and the American people expect us to have a functioning government.

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Speaker 1: Get rid of the motion to vacate. That's where we

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Speaker 1: begin our conversation with Congressman Brad Sherman. He's with us,

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Speaker 1: of course, the Democrat from California. Back on Bloomberg. It's

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Speaker 1: good to see you, sir, and I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you about this entire process. But

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you agree with Mitch McConnell you wait

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Speaker 1: in back in January and the Speaker's fight, saying at

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Speaker 1: some point here Republicans need to work with Democrats. Can

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Speaker 1: they do that while there's still a motion to vacate?

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Speaker 5: I they will try to perhaps change the rules to

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Speaker 5: get rid of the motion to vacate. I doubt Democrats

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Speaker 5: a motion to vacate. But if they're going to ask

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Speaker 5: us to help them change the rules, we've got a

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Speaker 1: Well, there we go. So let's get into this just

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Speaker 1: a little bit here. I wonder your thoughts first, of

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Speaker 1: GOP lawmakers. Congressman, you voted to oust Kevin McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: Every Democrat voted to vacate the chair. We don't think

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Speaker 5: that Kevin McCarthy's a good speaker. We think a King

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Speaker 5: Jeffries would be an excellent speaker. If we can't get

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Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen next week?

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Speaker 1: And I know that you're looking at this from the

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being Scalise

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Speaker 5: We voted for Hakim Jeffries fifteen times last roll call

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Speaker 1: And you'll be voting for Hakim Jeffries under this scene,

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Speaker 1: according to many has been very disruptive and will be

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Speaker 5: I mean even if McCarthy had gotten what he wanted,

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Speaker 5: Speaker is willing to accept and be Maybe they moved

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Speaker 5: the only way to keep the government open is to

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Speaker 1: Congressman, I want to ask you about the economy and

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Speaker 1: the trajectory of interest rates from your perch out of

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Speaker 1: the Financial Services Committee. This is something we've discussed before,

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Speaker 7: My job as I see it, our job, as I

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Speaker 7: to watch financial conditions. Because monetary policy works. We raise

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Speaker 7: is not necessary because we don't need to boost them more.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think we're going with this, Congressman, Higher

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Speaker 1: for longer is the narrative right now, but we've seen

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Speaker 5: It'll be another one. If I knew where interest rates

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Speaker 5: were going, I wouldn't be on this TV show with you.

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Speaker 5: I'd be on the phone with my broker. But I

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Speaker 5: would say that the recent decline and oil prices will

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Speaker 5: certainly help control inflation. Oil is not only what we

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Speaker 5: can get inflation controlled without going higher for longer. But

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Speaker 5: we'll see.

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Speaker 1: You think the FED should hike again or start preparing

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Speaker 1: but the data prices have been stubborn.

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Speaker 5: I think they have to be a data driven I

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Speaker 5: have argued for a two point three percent target rather

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Speaker 5: it's still above that number. And it's so hard to

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Speaker 1: I can't talk to you without bringing up your favorite topic,

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Speaker 1: which of course is crypto and we're watching the trial

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Speaker 1: of Sam bankman Fried unfold. Heary, you wrote on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: crypto bros will say SBF was one snake in a

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Speaker 1: crypto garden of Eden. In truth, though crypto you say

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Speaker 1: is a garden of snakes. You go on to write,

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Speaker 1: while his ghost still roams the halls of Congress today

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Speaker 1: he faces justice. How is his ghost still alive in Congress?

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Speaker 1: Are you referring to donations that have gone unreturned?

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Speaker 5: More than his advocacy for bills that would get the

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Speaker 5: SEC out of the crypto world and provide only a

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Speaker 5: and that in itself tells you we got to get

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Speaker 5: the SEC more into crypto. This is a currency that

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Speaker 5: has no advantage over the dollar except in its name.

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Speaker 5: It is literally hidden money. And when you see a

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Speaker 5: you realize just how more efficient that would be in

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Speaker 5: Hosted Wallace.

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Speaker 1: I understand there's an eviction underway in the Capital. Congressman,

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Speaker 1: I wonder your thoughts on Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer

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Speaker 1: are losing their hideaway space one of the first actions,

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Speaker 5: Patrick McHenry, I think this is an incredibly petty move.

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Speaker 5: It has no political benefit except within the Republican caucus

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Speaker 5: But it's it's a really bad face for the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being back with us, Brad Sherman, Congressman from California.

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Speaker 1: As we assemble our panel. Rick Davis is back with

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Speaker 1: Democratic Analysts. Good to see both of you here. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if you agree, Alvin, this idea of kicking Nancy

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Speaker 1: Are you surprised no new names have emerged that Republicans are.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not surprised that other names have not emerged.

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Speaker 9: speaker McCarthy's ouster. So if they had waited for the

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Speaker 9: this and say, the question isn't like can we accommodate

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Speaker 9: seeing how either one of them get to that number,

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Speaker 1: Will Donald Trump save Republicans in the House. This is

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Speaker 2: Remember, a lot of people have played speaker.

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Speaker 6: All I can say is, we'll do whatever's best world

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Speaker 8: Would you take the job?

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Speaker 10: Would you take the job?

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Speaker 6: We have some great, great people. Would you take the job?

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Speaker 6: A lot of people have asked me about it. I'm focused.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're leading.

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: Well, as we learned, they'd have to be a rule

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Speaker 4: I have no advice to give the House of Republicans

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Look, I can see the scenario where they make

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Speaker 1: This goes back to twenty eighteen. Nancy Pelosi, Alvin, we're

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Speaker 6: Again.

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Speaker 8: Who knew that Mitch McConnell, being the voice of reason,

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Speaker 1: There's not much he can do here. But it's not

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Speaker 9: No, But the entire mess on the border is not

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Speaker 9: It brings it up so that he had to deal

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Speaker 9: We need comprehensive immigration reform. We can't allow three million

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Speaker 9: This is a president who has a chance to do

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Speaker 9: something about it between now and election day. And the

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Speaker 9: idea that you just shirk it back and say I

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Speaker 9: don't agree with what Congress appropriated or I don't think

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Speaker 9: you can do anything an election year is a cop out.

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Speaker 9: Do something about immigration. It's hurting our country.

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Speaker 1: Alvin Jordan. Does the president need to come up with

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Speaker 1: a better answer than that?

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Speaker 8: I think so what's happening right now is so reactionary

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Speaker 8: know the former President Trump, like, what else do you

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Speaker 8: President Biden is completing my project. But I do think

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Speaker 8: it shines a light on the larger problem that we're seeing,

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Speaker 8: whether it be in places like Egle Pass, Texas or

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Speaker 8: while you know, I can understand a bit of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you better believe there'll be a lot more to

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Speaker 1: follow on this. Alvin Jordan and Rick Davis are panel today.

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Speaker 1: As we turn next to the latest fundraising hall by

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, triple that of Ronda Santis, will take a

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Speaker 1: look at the numbers on the GOP trailer.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch us

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Speaker 1: Is there any point in calling Ronda Santis the second

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Speaker 1: place candidate any longer? It's not just the polls, it's

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Speaker 1: the money. As the Trump campaign and the DeSantis campaign

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Speaker 1: report fundraising from the last quarter, and there's really no

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Speaker 1: comparison Donald Trump. And this is according to the campaign,

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Speaker 1: declining for Ronda Santis. By the way, three million of

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Speaker 1: that forty five was from the mug shot. We finally

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Speaker 1: can put a number on this. Three million dollars from

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Speaker 1: T shirts, coffee mugs, posters of the menacing mug shot

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Speaker 1: Trump thirty seven and a half to Santis five. As

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Speaker 1: we reassemble our panel for their take and new polling

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Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Alvin Jordan. Rick Davis, Republican strategist of course,

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor Alvin is a Democratic analyst with us

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Speaker 1: from Rock Solutions. Great to have you both here. Your

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Speaker 1: thought on the fundraising here, Rick, RNC members are apparently

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Speaker 1: questioning whether it even continued debates. How would you describe

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Speaker 1: the state of this race?

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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, I mean, the ever shrinking Rond

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Speaker 9: he raised twenty million, This quarter he raised fifteen. Next quarter,

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Speaker 9: what is it going to be ten? It's not a

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Speaker 9: great trajectory to be on if you're trying to surmount

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Speaker 9: a really what seems like today unsurmountable lead by Donald

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Speaker 9: trying to, you know, get to where he is. Ron

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Speaker 9: de Santis, you might want to rethink your spending strategy

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Speaker 9: because every dollar you're putting in, you're going down. I mean,

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Speaker 9: it's it's not a good place to be. I've been there.

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Speaker 9: It's not a good place to be. And it'll be

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Speaker 9: interesting to see how the rest of the field does

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Speaker 9: the reality is that I'm kind of curious whether or

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Speaker 9: not Nicky Haley has been able to convert a couple

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Speaker 9: of good debate performances into more cash, which she desperately

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Speaker 9: this this is a very important report and I think

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Speaker 1: Interesting you mentioned Nicki Haley. She comes in second in

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Speaker 1: the most recent USA Today Suffolk poll in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis in that same pole. Marquette is out today

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Speaker 1: as well. This a national poll, Trump fifty six to

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Speaker 1: Santas twelve, Haley six. What do you make of this, Alvin,

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Speaker 1: specifically when it comes to the money, is this conversation

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Speaker 1: to Nicki Haley?

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Speaker 8: Well, I've used succession references here on Bloomberg Programming before,

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Speaker 8: is money wins and in America that is you know,

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Speaker 8: double true. And so I think it is exactly what

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Speaker 8: it shows is, which is this is a demoralizing report

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Speaker 8: if you're Governor DeSantis or Nicky Haley in this way,

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Speaker 8: because you truly are you know, facing what seems like

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Speaker 8: an insurmountable kind of you know, climb up the mountain

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Speaker 8: in that way. And I think as as the money

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Speaker 8: of record months and quarters for the others. Again, I

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Speaker 8: which was it truly you know, seemed like it was

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Speaker 8: a race for a second, And now we're learning that

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Speaker 8: a race per second truly means, you know, paces and

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Speaker 8: paces behind former President Trump in that way. And so

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Speaker 8: I think you have to, truly, you know, at this point,

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Speaker 8: not only we look at the spending that you've done

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Speaker 8: even possible to close the gap at all, which, in

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Speaker 8: my opinion, I think is close to impossible at.

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Speaker 1: This point, close to impossible. Rick, talk to us about

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Speaker 1: the debates here. Next one is November eighth in Miami.

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Speaker 1: They're begging Trump to show up. He won't. And now

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Speaker 1: Politico is up with the story today saying that actual

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Speaker 1: members of the RNC are questioning whether to continue in

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Speaker 1: this format or at all, because it's starting to embarrass

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Speaker 1: the candidates and the parties. Are we going to do

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Speaker 1: all of these still?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? I mean look, I mean part of it you

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Speaker 9: last debate was boring, a bunch of guys and galls

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Speaker 9: snapping at each other, no real focus on the front runner.

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Speaker 9: Nobody really answered a lot of inspirational you know, questions

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Speaker 9: just it was just kind of junk TV. And yeah,

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Speaker 9: if that's what you're going to get, then you ought

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Speaker 9: to quit doing it because it's not helping the Republican

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Speaker 9: reality is, I don't see the rn C putting any

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Speaker 9: pressure on Donald Trump to join these debates when they

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Speaker 9: put enormous pressure on everybody to qualify to be in

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Speaker 9: these debates. So what what bargain are you getting for

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Speaker 9: the RNC has really botched this. They look like, you know,

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Speaker 9: they were setting up this thing for like, oh, we're

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Speaker 9: going to win the field. Really quickly, and it turns

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Speaker 9: and everybody else on the fringes are, like, you know,

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Speaker 9: making it all look bad. So I think the RNC

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Speaker 9: chairman needs to sit down and say what am I

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Speaker 9: doing to the party here and change the whole format

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Speaker 9: of these things, or or or just quit.

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Speaker 1: Having What if this was the d n C. Alvin,

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Speaker 1: I realize it's not, but I'm just curious your view

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Speaker 1: on this as a matter of principle, a party in

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Speaker 1: a situation like this, a bunch of scheduled debates, a

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Speaker 8: I think you gotta I mean, you have to find

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Speaker 8: a way to get what seems you're very clear, uh,

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Speaker 8: Toker Carlson or just his kind of post trial interviews

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Speaker 8: or press conferences if you will. I think these are

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Speaker 8: are definitely eclipsing the efforts that they're trying to do,

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Speaker 8: and you know, in the conversation about money wasting it essentially,

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Speaker 8: so I think they have to have that real conversation

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Speaker 8: behind he or she, in this case the former president.

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Speaker 8: But I don't think that they can continue, regardless of

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Speaker 8: whether it was the DNC or not, to move forward

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Speaker 8: with a pace that is is not benefiting them in any.

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Speaker 1: That is absolutely incredible. Does it even matter? Does Trump

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Speaker 1: counterprogram these again, Rick, we only have thirty seconds, or

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Speaker 1: does he just kind of ignore it like everybody else.

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Speaker 9: No, he'll count a program it. I mean, he loves

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Speaker 9: to like sort of poke fun at these guys. So yeah,

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Speaker 9: I can't wait to see where he shows up next

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Speaker 9: to Bate me too.

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Speaker 1: November eighth. I can't imagine. I guess they'll be nearby.

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Speaker 1: They'll all be in Florida. By God. I'm Joe Matthew

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Speaker 1: and Washington with our panel today, Rick Davis and Alvin

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Speaker 1: Not a lot has changed since we spoke this time yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It's still on Capitol Hill the same situation. Steve Scalise

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan the only two to really raise their hands

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Speaker 1: on a formal level to run for Speaker, and the

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Speaker 1: funding debate is on ice until this is solved.

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Speaker 12: Oh, complete paralysis at the moment, because what is Speaker

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Speaker 12: pro temporary Patrick mcckenry able to do?

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Speaker 3: We think not much.

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Speaker 12: Do we know for sure that it's a little bit buzzy.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if we need to see.

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Speaker 12: But the popular thinking is that really all that he's

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Speaker 12: going to be able to preside over is a speaker vote,

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Speaker 12: and that's not going to happen until next Wednesday, and

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Speaker 12: between now and then we could maybe see more hats

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Speaker 12: tossed in the ring, But it does seem like it's

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Speaker 12: these two candidates really leading right now.

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Speaker 1: I just want to know I they're going to change

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Speaker 1: the rules for Donald Trump. We talked about this last

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Speaker 1: hour when it was the Messenger. Now we can tell

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Speaker 1: you there's a terminal headline. NBC is also reporting that

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Speaker 1: he's considering a visit to the Capitol amid the race

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Speaker 1: for speaker. He said yesterday a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: asking The Messenger said he's obsessed with this right now,

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Speaker 1: and his phone is burning up with Republicans asking him

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Speaker 1: to come to town.

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Speaker 12: Well, we know he can't be a speaker, right Republican

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Speaker 12: constants us at the moment they can do if you're

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Speaker 12: under indictment, you cannot. The thing is that one of

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Speaker 12: these individuals we're talking about who has already tossed their

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Speaker 12: hat in formally, Jim Jordan is a very close ally

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Speaker 12: of Donald Trump. So I wonder if he does make

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Speaker 12: an appearance, if it really is going to be to

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Speaker 12: support him over Steve Scaleze or what exactly he would say.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Messenger reported that he's been having this fantasy

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Speaker 1: of actually having the job for a couple of months.

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Speaker 1: You come in here, you hold the gavel. I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe he could slam that gavel even harder than Patrick

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Speaker 1: McHenry did and sort of run the thing, take the lap,

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Speaker 1: and then you just go down the other end of

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Avenue and become president.

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Speaker 12: So be speaker until November twenty four, the secret until Iowa.

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Speaker 1: He said, a few months until the campaign, till the

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Speaker 1: first Yeah, maybe Iowa. We'll call it maybe the first

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Speaker 1: trial of well, I don't know. As he put it yesterday,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are asking a lot of people.

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Speaker 6: Speaker. All I can say is, will whatever's best world.

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Speaker 12: Republic?

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Speaker 6: Would you take the job? Would you take the joh

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Speaker 6: we have some great, great people, would you take the job?

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Speaker 6: A lot of people have asked me about it. I'm focused.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are asking me about it. The

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Speaker 1: phone's burning up. I don't know what's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: but they're asking. And we'll see, of course, if I

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Speaker 1: find you're going to be down there with you. Imagine

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Speaker 1: the media horde on that day when Donald Trump comes

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Speaker 1: to the House sneakers. I don't think he can resist it.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that right now, this has to happen. He's

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Speaker 1: not going to be able to resist it, so uh elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell says, if you want to do this right,

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Speaker 1: lose the motion to vacate. So we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: complete do look at rules and everything. When this it'll

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Speaker 1: be a brand new day.

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Speaker 12: I guess next week well, and McConnell's not the only one.

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Speaker 12: You have members of the House, Republican members of the

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Speaker 12: House saying, whoever, we're not going to vote for anyone

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Speaker 12: for speaker if they don't change the rules, because the

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Speaker 12: idea is if you leave it where one individual can

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Speaker 12: decide to move on the motion to vacate, we could

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Speaker 12: very well be in a repeat scenario a few months

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Speaker 12: from now. If there's one person who doesn't like what

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Speaker 12: whoever the new speaker becomes is doing, we'll just be.

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Speaker 1: On be a revolving door and then no one will

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Speaker 1: really ever want the job. Not that they're taking Mitch

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Speaker 1: McConnell's advice right now, but we have to talk about

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Speaker 1: this with Eli. I'm glad to say Eli Oakley is

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Speaker 1: back US politics analyst at Morning Consults. Eli, it's good

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Speaker 1: to see you. You're gonna start running numbers here on

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Speaker 1: this race like you would a presidential campaign.

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Speaker 10: I think we are checked back in next week. I mean,

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Speaker 10: all this situation needed was dal Trump to insert himself

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Speaker 10: into it.

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Speaker 12: Okay, well, when we're t talking about Donald Trump, obviously

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Speaker 12: he is writing just a continued wave of support and

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Speaker 12: it just his lead keeps on growing and growing and growing,

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Speaker 12: and maybe someone feeling that invincible might think, yeah, I

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Speaker 12: could be Speaker of the House. There's no real sign

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Speaker 12: of that fading, right, Eli.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I mean, his level of support is incredible. It's like

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Speaker 10: three and five potential Republican primary voter support has bid.

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Speaker 10: There's not a lot of opposition to his assent to

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Speaker 10: the Republican presidential nomination next year. We have not yet

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Speaker 10: asked voters where they are on him being Speaker of

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Speaker 10: the House. It's hard to see him doing it, honestly.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's kind of an insular, real job that

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Speaker 10: you have to get legislation done, you have to plan votes,

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Speaker 10: you have to heard the cats of the House Republican conference.

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Speaker 10: But it's gonna be a tough job for whoever gets it.

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Speaker 10: I Mean, one of the things we noticed that really

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Speaker 10: stuck out to us in the last few weeks is

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Speaker 10: there wasn't just like a popular uprising in the Republic

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Speaker 10: can electure it against Kevin McCarthy. Since the beginning of September,

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Speaker 10: his standing with Republican voters who have views about him

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Speaker 10: hasn't really changed. He's kind of popular, about twice as

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Speaker 10: popular that unpopular with your Republican electorate. Clearly, this was

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Speaker 10: an insular personal attack on Kevin McCarthy among these eight

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Speaker 10: House Republicans who just didn't like him. That motion of

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Speaker 10: a Kate, You're right is a big, big gun over

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Speaker 10: the heads of anybody who takes this job. And this

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Speaker 10: could be pretty consequential in the coming weeks.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's true, and the idea of eliminating the motion

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Speaker 1: to vacate is compelling. You see, Matt Gates tweeted about this.

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Speaker 1: Kayley producer James just sent this along. He says, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's negotiate, and he retweeted something from Rocanna. Actually was

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Speaker 1: about Rocanna and an anti corruption plan that he put forth,

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Speaker 1: a ban on congressional stock trading, twelve year limit for Congress,

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Speaker 1: and ban on political donations from lobbyists or packs. Matt

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Speaker 1: Gates says, if we enact the reforms Rocanna lays out there,

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Speaker 1: I'll basically give you whatever you want on the motion

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Speaker 1: to vacate for this stuff. Maybe we run numbers on

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Speaker 1: this too. ELI does this all get renegotiated after what

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Speaker 1: we saw a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 6: We'll see.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's a pretty good card to have if

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Speaker 10: you're some of these conservative rabble rousers. I think looking forward,

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Speaker 10: the challenge for the Republican Party is that it's made

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Speaker 10: some gains since twenty sixteen and since twenty twenty. When

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Speaker 10: you ask voters about its capability to govern, it has

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Speaker 10: advantage on this question over the Democratic Party. We're going

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Speaker 10: to see how much some of this stuff in Capitol

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Speaker 10: Hill breaks to the electorate. I mean, it's always important

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Speaker 10: to remember some of these stories that we obsessed with

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Speaker 10: here in Washington don't really break through. I assume the

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Speaker 10: speaker being ousted probably will, and I think that plus

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Speaker 10: this prospect of another government shutdown, this continued spending debate,

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Speaker 10: could do something to put a drag on the Republican

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Speaker 10: Party when voters think about its ability to do the job.

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Speaker 12: Moving forward, Yeah, we're staring down that November seventeenth deadline.

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Speaker 12: It's going to come up pretty quickly, especially if we

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Speaker 12: potentially could be looking at a prolonged speaker fight. Eli.

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Speaker 12: When we talk about though, the issues on Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 12: a lot of the issues that are going to be

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Speaker 12: relevant in this speaker's race, whoever ultimately is buying to

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Speaker 12: get the majority votes that they need include Ukraine funding

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Speaker 12: big one. This is something that Jim Jordan told reporters yesterday.

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Speaker 12: He is not in supportive of doing any further despite

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Speaker 12: what the Senate and Administration may be seeing. Where are

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Speaker 12: Americans on the issue of Ukraine funding.

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Speaker 10: Eli, Yeah, I mean the electricates funding Ukraine is still

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Speaker 10: pretty popular among voters. It's less popular than it used

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Speaker 10: to be, but I mean part of that is just

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Speaker 10: the American people aren't paying attention to the war like

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Speaker 10: they did at the beginning of it. There's still a

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Speaker 10: good chunk of voters who back supporting Ukraine, but you're right,

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Speaker 10: it's divisive among Republican voters, and it's very divisive among

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Speaker 10: Republicans on Capitol Hill. I mean, even Mitch McConnell's out

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Speaker 10: there supporting it. There's a chunk of the Republican elector

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Speaker 10: who is still on board with sort of the old

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Speaker 10: school of American strength abroad. And then there's these new dissenters,

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Speaker 10: but they have all the cards right now.

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Speaker 1: On Capitol Hill talk with the Yoakley at morning consult.

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Speaker 1: I know you have new numbers on impeachment and this

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Speaker 1: is important because you're showing a backing actually increase among

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Speaker 1: Republican voters. But we have really no way to move

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Speaker 1: this forward until there's a speaker either. It's just one

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Speaker 1: of the big points of business that will have to

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Speaker 1: wait until this is solved. What are you learning.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, about seventy percent of Republican voters support the current

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Speaker 10: impeachment inquiry. Top line support hasn't really shifted.

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Speaker 8: About half of.

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Speaker 10: The American elector it supports the impeachment inquiry and the

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Speaker 10: President Biden. I think that what we've seen in recent weeks,

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Speaker 10: as you know, House Republicans have their first hearing, is

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Speaker 10: this is something that excites the Republican base. This is

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Speaker 10: sort of a rallying cry on among the average Republican

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Speaker 10: voter and probably among some on Capital Hill. I mean,

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Speaker 10: it's a good thing to fall back on whenever you're

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Speaker 10: having these spending debates. You know, ask people to take

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Speaker 10: a hard vote on something, then go after Joe Biden

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Speaker 10: the next day. It's always pretty popular to go after

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Speaker 10: your opponent. This is something that riles up the republic

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Speaker 10: Republican electric and I think it probably does too with

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Speaker 10: a number of Republicans.

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Speaker 9: On Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 12: Does it have a galvanizing force for Democrats?

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Speaker 8: Though?

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Speaker 12: On the other end, do you? I?

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Speaker 10: I mean, what we're seeing is a bit of dissension

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Speaker 10: among the Democratic electorate. About three and ten Democratic voters

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Speaker 10: support the current impeachment inquiry. That lines up pretty well

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Speaker 10: with the level of opposition to President Joe Biden in

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Speaker 10: a Democratic primary. I think clearly he is in the

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Speaker 10: driver's seat of this primary and the Democratic Party. He's

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Speaker 10: the face of the Democratic Party. There's no chance of

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Speaker 10: unseating him, but he does face some level of weakness

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Speaker 10: and support among the Democratic base. I think one of

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Speaker 10: the big things we're going to be watching in twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty four is you have two likely nominees for president

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Speaker 10: who have very unique vulnerabilities via Joe Biden's age, via

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump's criminal liability. That sets up the prospect of

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Speaker 10: maybe a low energy election in terms of voters showing

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Speaker 10: up to the poll's next Sovember.

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Speaker 1: Just don't tell Donald Trump you said low energy he

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Speaker 1: just bagged forty five and a half million dollars in

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Speaker 1: the last quarter. Eli the fundraising numbers are starting to emerge.

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Speaker 1: That's triple what Ron DeSantis pulled. His numbers went down

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Speaker 1: as his polling also goes down. And I wonder what

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Speaker 1: the view is now from your perch at morning consult as.

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Speaker 1: Some members of the RNC question even continuing debates after

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Speaker 1: next month.

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Speaker 10: I mean, what's the point of them at this point.

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Speaker 10: I mean, you have the front runner with three and five.

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Speaker 1: That's what Donald Trump.

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Speaker 10: Says among the electorate, that is what he says, and

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Speaker 10: the Republican base is tuning this out too. I mean,

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Speaker 10: there was less interest in the second debate than there

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Speaker 10: was in the first. There was no increase in support

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Speaker 10: for any I mean after the first Republican debate, we

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Speaker 10: saw NICKI Haley's support double, but it was from three

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Speaker 10: percent to seven percent. I mean, why does that even

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Speaker 10: matter until the Republican candidates consolidate. If they are willing

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Speaker 10: to consolidate, this is Donald Trump's to lose. The support

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Speaker 10: is just too divided. If there are forces in the

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Speaker 10: Republican Party who want to unsee Donald Trump, this race

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Speaker 10: is going after to narrow dramatically in.

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Speaker 9: The coming weeks.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and Neela, I think it's interesting looking at Morning

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Speaker 12: consolets pulling data because some of the candidates that were

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Speaker 12: more well known, like Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina

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Speaker 12: is pulling it, I believe right now one percent. So

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Speaker 12: it seems like whatever gained someone like Nicki Haley may

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Speaker 12: get is coming from kind of those lower tier candidates.

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Speaker 12: It's not eating it all into Trump's lead, it's just

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Speaker 12: kind of winnowing out the field at the bottom. Is

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Speaker 12: that Is that a right assessment?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean we've seen a little bit of growth

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Speaker 10: But yeah, I mean Tim Scott barely make the first

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Speaker 10: probably be surprising to a lot of folks if you

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Speaker 10: asked them six months ago. He was supposed to be

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Speaker 10: sort of the star in the in line for the

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Speaker 10: for the nomination that there's just no energy for him right now.

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Speaker 10: We'll see what happens with Rod de Santas. He did

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Speaker 10: raise money, he has money to spend. Donald Trump obviously

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Speaker 10: outraised him coming in the coming weeks and months as

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Speaker 10: Rond De Santis pushes to narrow the debate stage, maybe

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Speaker 10: to try to get some consolidation up there for voters

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Speaker 10: to see.

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Speaker 1: Eli I had a conversation last evening with a Democratic

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Speaker 1: operative here in Washington, who was more concerned about no labels,

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Speaker 1: was more concerned about RFK Junior, was more concerned about

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Speaker 1: even Cornell West disrupting this election cycle, uh in Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump or whomever's favored, than he was about any specific

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Speaker 1: Republican candidate.

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Speaker 10: What do you think, Yeah, I mean, look, Joe Biden

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Speaker 10: does have these vulnerabilities. There is a chunk, a small chunk,

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Speaker 10: but a chunk of the electorate who wants to see

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Speaker 10: somebody else. It's the same on the Republican side. That

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Speaker 10: seemed like the kind of scenario that could set up

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Speaker 10: some of these defectors. And you don't need that many.

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Speaker 10: Just ask Hillary Clinton what happened to her in Michigan

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Speaker 10: in twenty sixteen. Clearly that is something that the Biden

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Speaker 10: campaign is concerned about. But he still has a modest

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Speaker 10: advantage or tied with President Trump when you ask a

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Speaker 10: head to head question for the generic ballot. But there

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Speaker 10: is still good chunk of the electorate, a meaningful chunk

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Speaker 10: of the elector that is undecided on this race, and

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Speaker 10: lack enthusiasm for either Trump or Biden. The American people

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Speaker 10: just many folks don't want these candidates to be the

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Speaker 10: nominees next year.

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Speaker 12: That's all at the presidential eli. But to circle back

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Speaker 12: to where we started this conversation and just the sheer

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Speaker 12: dysfunction we are seeing in the Republican side of the

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Speaker 12: House of Representatives right now. When we think about the

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Speaker 12: down ballot races, how do you think this impacts Republicans'

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Speaker 12: chances to hang on to the House in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 10: I mean, right now, the race for the House lines

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Speaker 10: up pretty closely with the race for the White House

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Speaker 10: and pulling you do something called the generic congressional ballot,

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Speaker 10: and those numbers mirror Biden and Trump's pretty closely among

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Speaker 10: Democrats and Republicans, especially in an era of fewer tickets splitters,

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Speaker 10: I think the twenty twenty four race for Congress is

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Speaker 10: gonna oline pretty closely with what's happening at the presidential level.

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Speaker 10: I think this dysfunction on Capitol Hill it'll be interesting

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Speaker 10: to see if that feeds into how voters even thinking

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Speaker 10: about the White House next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, another snapshot from Eli Yoakley. It's great to have

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Speaker 1: you back. Eli. Politics analysts that morning consult with myself

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Speaker 1: and Kaylee Lines. Don't be a stranger. Eli will do

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Speaker 1: this again soon when you have some new research for us.

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