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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, every boy there, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 7: You've just been watching President Trump finish a news conference

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Speaker 7: One of the most important cases of the session. The

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Speaker 7: You know that all of us here at rap and

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Speaker 7: All right, we're going to get right to business. My

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Speaker 4: Us at the TAPA Show.

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Speaker 7: He's been so patient waiting for the President to wrap up.

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Speaker 7: He represents the great state of Wisconsin. He has been

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Speaker 8: Glad to be on the show.

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Speaker 5: And it was certainly enjoyable to sit there and watch

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Speaker 8: Right, they had a play at ten thirty.

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Speaker 7: And have his face be looked at by the justices

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Speaker 8: Well, it was good.

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Speaker 5: It's good that President Trump is shining a light on

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Speaker 8: You know, our forefathers.

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Speaker 8: Nobody would have dreamed that.

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Speaker 5: So it's good President Trump is monitoring that. Your other

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the electionary President Trump is one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 5: The viciousness which the Democrats use. Not to have photo

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Speaker 5: So it is bizarre that the Democrats are so involved

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Speaker 5: Because we want to do what we can to help

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Speaker 8: Lacking in common sense.

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Speaker 5: of If some guy hung around and went to college

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Speaker 5: for ten years, will do anything, no matter how stupid

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Speaker 5: he wants it to be.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So you spent a lot of time forcing a

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Speaker 7: conversation about issues that we often try to sweep under

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Speaker 7: the rug. The effort to the fact that the Biden

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Speaker 7: administration lost a track of all these children who came

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Speaker 7: across the border vulnerable without their parents. The Bidy administration

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Speaker 7: was supposed to take care of them. You found that

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Speaker 7: they were lost. You got them found. In the last

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Speaker 7: year with the work of Tom Homan, you've taken on

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Speaker 7: the fraudsters who steal our entitlement money and still want

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Speaker 7: to stay in the country. You think they should be deported.

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Speaker 7: You help get that bill passed. You took on another

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Speaker 7: big issue. It's probably one of the hardest. We all

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Speaker 7: have a hard time talking about mental health, the rise

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Speaker 7: and depression, the rise in suicide. You had a recent roundtable.

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Speaker 7: This is a really big crisis in America. It hardly

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Speaker 7: talked about. Tell us what went on at that roundtable.

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Speaker 7: Why it's so important to get this issue front and center.

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Speaker 5: Well, you have to look out all of the young

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Speaker 5: people who are getting powerful antidepressants, and these kids are

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Speaker 5: not told that it's very difficult once you take them

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Speaker 5: to get off of them. So you're having twelve, thirteen,

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Speaker 5: fourteen year olds getting powerful drugs that are very very difficult.

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Speaker 5: You can't just go cold turkey and get off of

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Speaker 5: these things. We heard testimony from a gal she began

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Speaker 5: to take these things when she was fourteen. She didn't

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Speaker 5: get off them until she was thirty three or thirty

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Speaker 5: four years old, and she was a very bright together gal.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if she wasn't so bright, I can imagine

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Speaker 5: people on these things forever and sometimes attempting or actually

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Speaker 5: committing suicide.

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Speaker 8: You take these drugs.

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Speaker 5: Expecting to be happier, and then you wind up being

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Speaker 5: suicidal or kill yourself.

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Speaker 4: It's just her breaking.

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Speaker 8: We've got to stand up to the.

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Speaker 5: Drug companies and educate these young people and their parents.

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Speaker 8: Be careful before you let your kids.

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Speaker 5: Even nineteen or twenty year olds, be careful before you

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Speaker 5: let them take these powerful drugs. You know, God made

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Speaker 5: your body, don't you know. Don't take powerful drugs and

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Speaker 5: change the way you think about things. That's big trouble.

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Speaker 5: And like I said, I think we should look into it.

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Speaker 5: Didn't bring up the hearing, but I think we should

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Speaker 5: look into people who some of these mass shooters and

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Speaker 5: see how many of them were on drugs of some nature.

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Speaker 5: It's not natural to want to go out with a

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Speaker 5: gun and killed.

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Speaker 8: Seven or eight people in a school.

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Speaker 5: I'd like to know how many of these mass shooters

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Speaker 5: are on some type of medications prescribed by our out

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Speaker 5: of control psychiatric profession.

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Speaker 9: Devastating, devastating topic. I'm so glad that you're having that conversation.

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Speaker 9: But let's end on something a little bit lighter. Something

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Speaker 9: you and I share a love for hunting, and as

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Speaker 9: sportsmen and women. I suppose you did something up on

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Speaker 9: Capitol Hill and House Republicans did something protecting that important

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Speaker 9: hobby that exists here in this country that contributed. E.

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Speaker 9: I died in a billion dollars towards conservation every year, right.

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Speaker 8: Right, right, Well, very important.

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Speaker 5: We always have to have opportunity for young people to use.

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Speaker 8: All our lands.

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Speaker 5: And you know, in some areas the number of people

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Speaker 5: go hunting is decreasing, so we have to do all

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Speaker 5: we can to allow opportunities to go hunting, share a

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Speaker 5: heritage our ancestors enjoyed, and teach our young people about

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Speaker 5: our natural resources, which is something.

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Speaker 8: That we like to think we help protect.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so important, a lot of important work. The House

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Speaker 7: is getting a lot DOWNE. The Senate man, maybe not

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Speaker 7: so much, but the House is cranking it out. Congressman,

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Speaker 7: always a great honor. We always learned so much from

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Speaker 7: me to come on the show.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining.

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Speaker 8: Us, well, thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I always enjoy the discussion, always come away smarter,

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Speaker 7: so we certainly appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: All right, folks, quick commercial break.

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Speaker 7: When we come back, we'll discuss the situation with the

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Speaker 7: strait of our moves.

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Speaker 4: It has caused a lot of debate.

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Speaker 7: It also has I think a big impact on how

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Speaker 9: Welcome back, everybody plenty to discuss regarding the Strait of

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Speaker 9: Ramos and the wider Iran War, including NATO. The alliance

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Speaker 9: has been a prominent discussion because it seems that our

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Speaker 9: European allies are less than enthused to help us in

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Speaker 9: the conflict, even closing their airspace and military basis to

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Speaker 9: the United States. President Trump and Secretary of warpete Hegseth

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Speaker 9: have even indicated that if European nations won't help, maybe

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Speaker 9: there's no reason at all for us to be in NATO.

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Speaker 9: So joining us now to help break this all down.

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Speaker 9: Senior Research Fellow for Naval Warfare and Advanced Technology at

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Speaker 9: the Heritage Foundation. He's also a twenty six year Navy veteran.

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Speaker 9: Brent Saler, Brent, thanks so much for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good evening, thanks for having me back on.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, we love having you here. And as we were

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Speaker 9: just discussing, you know, the strongest position to be in

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Speaker 9: in a debate is the position where you are willing

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Speaker 9: to walk away and either way you win. When it

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Speaker 9: comes to NATO, this is something that President Trump has

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Speaker 9: talked about for decades. Even before he was president, he

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Speaker 9: was opining about how maybe we don't even need to

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Speaker 9: be in NATO anymore. So was that the point of

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Speaker 9: all of us, all of us to begin with, with

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Speaker 9: President Trump requesting their assistance, knowing that they would probably say, no.

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Speaker 10: I'm not so sure. I mean, the NATO countries still

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Speaker 10: offer a lot of benefit to the United States. Uh,

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Speaker 10: And there's a long history there that we share in

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Speaker 10: a lot of common interest. There's a lot of problems

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Speaker 10: that we have, and I mean vice presidents in Secretary

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Speaker 10: of State Rubio has been have been very pointed at

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Speaker 10: back actually what some of those problems are, you know,

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Speaker 10: freedom of speech and how that seems to be eroding

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Speaker 10: is something more fundamentally at risk of driving a wedge

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Speaker 10: between our NATO partners. But this recent tip about airspace,

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Speaker 10: the Spanish government's very far left socialist no fan of America,

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Speaker 10: no fan of Trump personally, but that government will change

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Speaker 10: and the common interest underneath there and the vast majority

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Speaker 10: of Spaniards who have a lot more in common with us,

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Speaker 10: will go back to a better place. Also, not the

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Speaker 10: first time that they've locked us out of airspace. Happened

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Speaker 10: in nineteen eighty six when we were executing retribution for

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Speaker 10: Libyan government, you know, under Scadafi that killed several of

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Speaker 10: our service members in Berlin, and they shut their airspace

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Speaker 10: at that time for an air it against tripling.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so we've been here.

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Speaker 4: She does repeat itself. Yeah, we have done it before.

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Speaker 7: You're right, brend I want to ask a little bit

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Speaker 7: about the optionality for the strait up her moves, which

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Speaker 7: seems to be the last sort of hang up in

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Speaker 7: this operation, which has been very successful. Iran has taken

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Speaker 7: a real beaten. Option one is we go in and

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Speaker 7: clear it. Option two we avoid it and we have

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Speaker 7: a US fire sale and try to get as many

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Speaker 7: of our allies to buy our own oil and gas.

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Speaker 7: That seems like we might not be able to meet

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Speaker 7: all demand. But an option option three is a negotiated settlement.

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Speaker 7: What door do you think, Manty Hall is going to.

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Speaker 4: Peck kind of this one.

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Speaker 10: It's I think it's probably going to be a mix

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Speaker 10: of those or probably none of them, and it'll surprise

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Speaker 10: us all.

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Speaker 8: In the outcome.

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Speaker 10: And it's still the hope is and the only real

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Speaker 10: enduring way American interests in American lives are safe is

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Speaker 10: if a new government in Iran comes forward that's no

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Speaker 10: longer a threat to its neighbors and Israeli United States.

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Speaker 10: But the reality is is the strait's pretty open. The

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Speaker 10: shipping is starting to pick back up. It's not that

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Speaker 10: the Iranians are attacking and sinking ships in large numbers,

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Speaker 10: or that they have the capacity, which they don't anymore.

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Speaker 10: They can still lob a missile or run a ship

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Speaker 10: into the side of it. But when you have a

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Speaker 10: strait that has over one hundred ships and before this

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Speaker 10: conflict passing through there, it means they're not able to

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Speaker 10: really do much to the actual volume of shipping on

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Speaker 10: a normal day. And it's starting to pick up again.

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Speaker 10: The attack that just happened yesterday a little over twenty

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Speaker 10: four hours ago, actually was done by a drone, didn't

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Speaker 10: cause very much damage to the ship. These are massive

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Speaker 10: ships and oh by the way, that was the first

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Speaker 10: attack in twelve days.

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Speaker 4: A great point, goodness, Grace Brent.

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Speaker 9: When it comes to our European allies and their support

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Speaker 9: for US and this mission, what brings the tightest squeeze,

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Speaker 9: That is the impetus for them to say, all right, fine, fine,

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Speaker 9: fine will help.

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Speaker 6: Well I twisted a little bit.

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Speaker 10: I mean, no nation, sovereign nations should be expected to

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Speaker 10: do something that's not in their national self interest. Quite frankly,

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Speaker 10: that's the way these European countries should be looking at this,

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Speaker 10: rather than some political cheap shots to get political points.

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Speaker 10: I mean, the former prime minister now former Prime Minister

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Speaker 10: Denmark try to play the same game over the commentary

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Speaker 10: and the rhetoric over Greenland, and she's out of office

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Speaker 10: now for it. So hopefully, you know, these countries in

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Speaker 10: Western Europe will kind of step back and say what's

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Speaker 10: in our best interest. I think the French, you're playing

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Speaker 10: this game with the Carriers Strike Group, and the Eastern

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Speaker 10: Mediterranean might make its way eventually down to the Middle East.

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Speaker 10: They do have a base in UAE that's been defending

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Speaker 10: and helping definu A, so quietly, if they just show

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Speaker 10: up and they have a presence there, and they are

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Speaker 10: protecting their own space.

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Speaker 11: It's a net positive.

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Speaker 10: Let them have that. It's certainly in alignment with our

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Speaker 10: interest too.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great point, Brent, when you look at

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Speaker 7: the dynamic that the president has set in motion. Cuba

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Speaker 7: severely destabilized, Venezuela already under new management, not perfect management,

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Speaker 7: but certainly more friendly. Iran decimated and probably soon to

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Speaker 7: be under new management. The big losers seemed to be

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Speaker 7: in the offing. The two people we don't talk about enough,

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Speaker 7: China and Russia. How are they affected by this sort

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Speaker 7: of triumpherent of successes that the president is or it's

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Speaker 7: the triumphant of actions that the President's been taking.

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Speaker 10: Well, we're far from out of the woods on Cuba, Venezuela,

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Speaker 10: and we're still in the fight on Iran. But the

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Speaker 10: key thing, the common denominator of those three is that

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Speaker 10: the United States retains significant leverage over the government's there

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Speaker 10: to try to compel them to do what's in America's

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Speaker 10: best interest and quite frankly, even the interest of their people.

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Speaker 11: We'll see how it all plays out.

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Speaker 10: Venezuela is probably the best case right now, but again,

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Speaker 10: it's far from done China and Russia. I think it's

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Speaker 10: really China that all of this is centered on, and

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Speaker 10: a grand strategic calculus. China before Maduro Christmas last year,

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Speaker 10: China was the beneficiary of a lot of cheap oil

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Speaker 10: in terms of trade that it dictated. Now over twenty

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Speaker 10: percent of its oil that it imports, it's going to

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Speaker 10: have to pay a fair market price greatly higher than

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Speaker 10: what it did before. And oh, by the way, their

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Speaker 10: foe in DC is the one that controls it. So

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Speaker 10: a lot of strong power play made by the United

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Speaker 10: States under President Trump, I think leading up to perhaps

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Speaker 10: the summit that might happen later part of April.

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Speaker 4: Brent.

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Speaker 9: Before we let you go, a few weeks ago, we

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Speaker 9: were discussing how diminished the number of missiles coming out

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Speaker 9: of the regime and coming out of Iran. Was that

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Speaker 9: has picked up since then? What do you make of that?

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Speaker 9: Did they all of a sudden get an influx of

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Speaker 9: inventory or was that a result of what I mean

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Speaker 9: some people might consider victory lap when they were saying,

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Speaker 9: look at how diminished this is.

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Speaker 10: Well, we do know they are getting intelligence from satellite

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Speaker 10: imagery from Russia and Beijing, and so that helps them

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Speaker 10: with their limited arsenal what's left of it to make

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Speaker 10: sure every shot counts, at least the missiles that do work.

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Speaker 10: So again, the fact that they got over the weekend

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Speaker 10: where they destroyed one of our electronics warfare aircraft, very

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Speaker 10: expensive piece of gear, but also injured a lot of

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Speaker 10: soldiers and airmen.

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Speaker 11: I mean, this is what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: They are holding.

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Speaker 10: Back and waiting until that's the right time to use

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Speaker 10: their weapons. They're not doing the mass fires that we

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Speaker 10: saw in the first week. I think that's largely because

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Speaker 10: we've degraded their capacity, but it's also they know they're

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Speaker 10: trying to string this game out as long as possible

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Speaker 10: to get the best deal they can. The reality is

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Speaker 10: there's nothing in the United States position on this that

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Speaker 10: we should give or seed. It's the Iranians that have

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Speaker 10: the losing hand, even though they still have the chance

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Speaker 10: to cause damage every once in a while.

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Speaker 9: Brenzeler, we always love having you here. I love the

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Speaker 9: wisdom that you bring. Senior Research Fellow for Naval Warfare

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Speaker 9: and Advanced Technology over at the Heritage Foundation. Thanks for

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Speaker 9: being with us, Brent.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Have a good night you too.

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Speaker 9: All Right, everybody, We're going to take a very quick break,

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Speaker 9: but we'll be back on the other side.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to America.

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Speaker 7: Everybody who knows me knows I'm a giant space nut.

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Speaker 7: I love space exploration and I can remember sitting on

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Speaker 7: my mom's last lap watching the early Apollo missions as

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Speaker 7: a young boy. My wife happened to be born on

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Speaker 7: the very day man walk down the Moon, so we

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Speaker 7: have all of these incredible connections. For the first time

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Speaker 7: in a half century, American astronauts are going to be

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Speaker 7: headed towards the Moon. NASA's Artemis two mission is set

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Speaker 7: to carry four astronauts around the Moon.

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Speaker 4: They leave tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: It's going to mark you Mannie's first crude journey beyond

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Speaker 7: Low Herbert Earth in more.

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Speaker 4: Than a half century. Joining me right now to.

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Speaker 7: Discuss all of that is kind of Mike Herodopolis, who's

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Speaker 7: right there in the middle of all the excitement in Florida.

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Speaker 4: So good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you, John, great to beyond great to see

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Speaker 6: as well, Amanda.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, great, great to have you on. You chair the

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Speaker 7: Subcommittee for Space Exploration. This is a big moment, a

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Speaker 7: long time coming. We've been talking about getting back in

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Speaker 7: the game on Moon on the Moon. Now we got

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Speaker 7: a plan to go Moon and then Moon to Mars.

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Speaker 7: How big a moment is tomorrow's liftoff.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's just absolutely huge. There's no other way to

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Speaker 6: put it. America is dominant in space once again. As

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Speaker 6: you know, almost every day we launch rockets right at

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Speaker 6: a Florida with whether it be SpaceX or Blue Origin,

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Speaker 6: And of course NASA is taking the lead now with

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Speaker 6: Artemis two putting astronauts around the Moon for the first

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Speaker 6: time since nineteen seventy two and the furthest we've ever

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Speaker 6: been away from Earth. I was on campus today taking

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Speaker 6: a look at the SLS rocket and of course the

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Speaker 6: Orion spacecraft. We're ready to go, and I think we're

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Speaker 6: probably eighty plus percent chance of launching on all day's

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Speaker 6: April Ferls Day. It's going to be an exciting to

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Speaker 6: accade the Space Center and a big day for America.

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Speaker 9: So so exciting. And my family actually has a connection

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Speaker 9: to My parents' first date was watching the Moon landing

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Speaker 9: and watching Neil Armstrong walk on the Moon, and speaking

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Speaker 9: of that, speaking of the Apollo missions, you know, we

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Speaker 9: have advanced so far beyond the technology of that, and

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Speaker 9: I remember hearing from my parents about Mike Collins being

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Speaker 9: referred to as the loneliest man in the universe because

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Speaker 9: he was on the far side of the moon. Do

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Speaker 9: we now have the capability with communications that we're going

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Speaker 9: to be able to hear from them throughout the entire orbit,

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Speaker 9: even on the far side of the Moon.

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Speaker 6: I believe we will. I think that there'll be a

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Speaker 6: slight knockout. But in general, we are looking at new

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Speaker 6: technologies and as you know, landing on a moon is

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Speaker 6: not just hard, but it's a big deal. We're not

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Speaker 6: quite there yet with the landers. SpaceX and Blue Origin

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Speaker 6: are actually leading that. But what we're looking at now

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Speaker 6: is actually having a Moon colony so that we can eventually,

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Speaker 6: of course launchs as John mentioned earlier, eventually going to

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Speaker 6: Mars from the Moon. It's a huge endeavor. And again

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Speaker 6: this is about not just going on an adventure. This

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Speaker 6: is also of course a commercial mission, and ultimately we

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Speaker 6: face a threat from China, so it's a military reality

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Speaker 6: as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now it is.

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Speaker 7: There's so many different implications for this. Obviously ingenuity on

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Speaker 7: display national security at play. There also is a potential

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Speaker 7: to set a record here. Now we're not going to

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Speaker 7: set foot.

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Speaker 4: On the Moon. This time we're going to orbit around it.

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Speaker 7: But this could be the furthest we've gone into space

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Speaker 7: ever in our world history.

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Speaker 6: Correct, that's exactly right. We go as a man to

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Speaker 6: put to the far side. We're going to be out

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Speaker 6: there so far further than ever been before. And again

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Speaker 6: it's a testament to the heroic efforts of these astronauts.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you talk about taking a mission on full force,

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Speaker 6: they're doing it, and we have four astronauts going there.

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Speaker 6: Of course, it's going to be a challenging ten days

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Speaker 6: out in space, but we're going to learn the things

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Speaker 6: necessary to to midland in the Moon, hopefully by twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty eight. Jared Isaacman, our incredible new NASA administrator, has

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Speaker 6: really hit the ground running. He has a plan for

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Speaker 6: us to get back to the Moon and beat the

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Speaker 6: Chinese with two landings potentially in twenty twenty eight, establishing

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Speaker 6: a moon base, because there's the potential actually launched from

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Speaker 6: the Moon, because there is we believe water on the

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Speaker 6: south side of the Moon, and that means means hydrogens there,

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Speaker 6: which of course is the great propellant that puts us

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Speaker 6: into space as well.

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Speaker 9: Sar, I want to ask you, speaking of Jared Isaacman,

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Speaker 9: I know that he is leaning on some companies, private

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Speaker 9: companies like Blue Origin and SpaceX to fulfill a lot

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Speaker 9: of NASA's long term goals, one of which is putting

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Speaker 9: a base on the Moon. And I've heard a lot

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Speaker 9: of people out there floating the idea of naming it

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Speaker 9: the Donald J. Trump Moon Base. But is a moon

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Speaker 9: base something militarily that you think is pretty soon on

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Speaker 9: the horizon.

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Speaker 6: I do, as you know, even before he put astronauts there,

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Speaker 6: hopefully in twenty twenty eight, will be the landings and cargo,

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Speaker 6: I believe on the Moon ahead of time, so they

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Speaker 6: have things to work on once they get there. We

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Speaker 6: want to beat the Chinese there for the simple reason

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Speaker 6: that they simply do not respect life like we do.

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Speaker 6: And second, they don't respect the environment either. As I said,

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Speaker 6: when you have water potentially on the Moon as a

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Speaker 6: potential energy source, we want to make sure that it's

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Speaker 6: not destroyed by some of the chemical contaminants that sometimes

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Speaker 6: come out of China. And how they don't respect the environment,

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Speaker 6: it's one of the reasons why so challenge him the

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Speaker 6: trade with him, because they just don't comply with basic

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Speaker 6: standards for keeping this water pure. So we want to

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Speaker 6: get there first. We want to establish that moon base

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Speaker 6: and build upon, of course, our strong position already with

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Speaker 6: the satellites that circle the world. And the Chinese are

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Speaker 6: there not look out for the investentes of the United States, obviously,

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Speaker 6: and I don't think for the world. America is the

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Speaker 6: land of free and we have respected the treaty that

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Speaker 6: was put back in place in the nineteen sixties. Where

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Speaker 6: where's afraid that the Chinese get there first? Who knows

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Speaker 6: what they might do, and as you know, they simply

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Speaker 6: don't play by the rules. So let's make sure it's America,

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Speaker 6: not the Chinese, setting the rule book for our new

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Speaker 6: operations on the moon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty exciting.

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Speaker 7: This is a big moment for Florida, your home state,

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Speaker 7: which has been home to our space program from its

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Speaker 7: very beginnings. But there's also a lot of new technology here.

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Speaker 7: The old Apollo capsules had three astronauts. We got four

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Speaker 7: this time. There's all sorts of new capabilities in this

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Speaker 7: rocket system that will allow for the future building of

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Speaker 7: a moon base. Tell us what are some of the

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Speaker 7: benchmarks the key moments on this mission? You're going to

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Speaker 7: be watching as an oversight chairman to make sure that

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Speaker 7: we're meeting our new goals for moon exploration.

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Speaker 6: Well again, John, this is a challenging thing. As we

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Speaker 6: sometimes say, space is hard. There's a reason why only

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Speaker 6: America has been successful in landing at astronaut on the Moon.

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Speaker 6: We'd have done it six times, and now we want

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Speaker 6: to go to the next level. You know, it's one

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Speaker 6: thing the land in the Moon, it's a whole another

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Speaker 6: thing to colonize it, and so these rocket systems are

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Speaker 6: central defining that success. It's again the precursor to eventually

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Speaker 6: a moon landing in twenty twenty eight, and we're going

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Speaker 6: to be running all the systems here Artemis two, three,

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Speaker 6: and four will be setting up for that moon landing eventually.

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Speaker 6: As Amanda asked about the private companies, we're relying on

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Speaker 6: SpaceX and Blue Origin to establish those landers that are

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Speaker 6: not ready yet, and it's going to be very different

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Speaker 6: look than the lander we saw back in nineteen sixty nine.

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Speaker 6: Little in the last lander in nineteen seventy two, especially

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Speaker 6: the SpaceX model, which is a much taller configuration, but

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Speaker 6: it would hold a lot more car for us to

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Speaker 6: establish the Moon base more succinctly, but as a man

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Speaker 6: to ask, I think the real question is is when

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Speaker 6: they go to that far side, further than any astronaut's

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Speaker 6: been before, what communication links do we have in place?

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Speaker 6: How can we make sure we're making the visual images

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Speaker 6: best so when we do land in the Moon, we

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Speaker 6: landed the right place, because the ultimate goal is getting

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Speaker 6: down to the South Pole and make sure we establish

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Speaker 6: that with American let's just say dominance, because we want

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Speaker 6: to make sure we protect that potential energy and water

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Speaker 6: source in the future, which is so vital if we're

882
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Speaker 6: really going to colonize the Moon successfully and ultimately send

883
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Speaker 6: rockets from the Moon off to Mars.

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Speaker 4: Very cool, sir.

885
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Speaker 9: Just a few years ago, we had a bit of

886
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Speaker 9: a national drama as we were watching Sonny Williams and

887
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Speaker 9: Butch Wilmore I think was his name, stranded up in

888
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 9: space and Joe Biden, I think unfairly got blamed for that.

889
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 9: But for President Trump, this is a notch for him.

890
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 9: This is a success for his administration, isn't it.

891
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 6: I really believe so. I remember that President's all in

892
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Speaker 6: on this one, Amanda. I mean, he created the Space

893
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Speaker 6: Force and he is all in. And remember he's the

894
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Speaker 6: one who put the largest funding ever for NASA. We're

895
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Speaker 6: not only maxed out the budget this year at over

896
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Speaker 6: twenty four billion, but we added almost ten billion dollars

897
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Speaker 6: in the Big Bill back in July. So he's putting

898
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Speaker 6: his money where his mouth is. The Congress is supporting

899
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Speaker 6: that endeavor, and we know we can't be number one

900
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Speaker 6: on Earth if we're number two in space. And the

901
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 6: President and so far as course mentioning space in his

902
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 6: inaugural address, the president to do so since Ronald Reagan.

903
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Speaker 6: And so we're optimistic about what we can accomplish here.

904
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Speaker 6: And I remember the new technologies that will come for

905
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Speaker 6: landing on the Moon and the sustaining life on the

906
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Speaker 6: Moon is going to help our everyday lives here on Earth.

907
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Speaker 6: So it's a win win, and we're going to have

908
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Speaker 6: that ultimate high ground because we know the Chinese just

909
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Speaker 6: don't play by the rules. They've been doing the fariest

910
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Speaker 6: things in space for their satellites, and we even though

911
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 6: the Russians collided some of those satellites in space, which

912
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Speaker 6: has caused a lot of space debris, which diminishes the

913
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Speaker 6: life of a satellite. Because they always have to maneuver

914
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Speaker 6: around some of the larger chunks, so it's a big

915
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 6: battle out to be the chairman of this committee, and

916
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Speaker 6: we're really optimistic Tomorrow will be a start of an

917
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 6: incredible ten day journey in which we'll learn a lot

918
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Speaker 6: so we can land on the moon with more success.

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Speaker 7: Pretty darn cool and Congressman, you're a big part of

920
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Speaker 7: this year. Committee has been shepherding us all along. It's

921
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Speaker 7: a great honor to have you in the show the

922
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Speaker 7: eve of such a big day.

923
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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining.

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Speaker 6: Thanks you non takes a man.

925
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Speaker 11: I feel like you to see us soon.

926
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Speaker 7: Hey, folks, Tomorrow night, that moonshot most likely will happen

927
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Speaker 7: here during our show.

928
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Speaker 4: We'll have live coverage all throughout the night. We're gona

929
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Speaker 4: take a quick rumerce for break when we come back.

930
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Speaker 4: One of the most famous and accomplished.

931
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Speaker 7: Editor agents in the history of the FBI going to

932
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Speaker 7: join us, a good friend, Wayne Barnes. He's got a

933
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Speaker 7: new book out. You're going to want to read it

934
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Speaker 7: right after these messages.

935
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Speaker 9: Welcome back, everybody. You've heard us talk plenty about the

936
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Speaker 9: deep state, but it's actually not a new phenomenon. Deception

937
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 9: even amongst America's own intelligence and law enforcement agencies goes

938
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Speaker 9: back a very long way. For example, we now have

939
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Speaker 9: an account from an FBI counter intelligence agent who was

940
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Speaker 9: recruited to find a Russian mole inside the bureau. However,

941
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Speaker 9: when he found the mole, FBI leadership buried it. So

942
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 9: why would they do that? Well, we're going to ask

943
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 9: that counter intelligence agent himself. Joining us now to put

944
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 9: this in perspective is a former FBI counter intel agent

945
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Speaker 9: and author of the book A Trader in the FBI,

946
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Speaker 9: Wayne Barnes. Wayne, thank you so much for being with us.

947
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 11: My pleasure. It's good to see you.

948
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 9: Absolutely, you know, I think for a lot of our

949
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 9: audience they let's just say, the FBI has suffered some

950
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 9: damage because of corruption within its ranks. Were you surprised

951
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 9: when this happened? And could things like this still be happening?

952
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 11: Well, it's a more complicated story then. Well it was

953
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 11: in nineteen ninety eight, it's the end of the Cold

954
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 11: War and all along when people are now talking about

955
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 11: it as the Hanson case, we did not know what

956
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 11: was Robert Hanson. We just had an unknown subject who

957
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 11: we had learned there was a Soviet coming to the

958
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 11: US former Soviet official who knew the identity of the

959
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 11: unknown subject in the FBI, and the goal was to

960
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Speaker 11: try to recruit him. He was going to a film

961
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Speaker 11: festival in Santa Monica. I was given the assignment to

962
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Speaker 11: go there, find him, meet him, befriend and recruit him,

963
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Speaker 11: and then show him photo of a dozen senior FBI

964
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Speaker 11: agents who were suspected any of one who was suspected

965
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Speaker 11: of being the trader in the FBI giving our secrets

966
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Speaker 11: to the Russians. It turned out to be Robert Hanson,

967
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Speaker 11: but the fellow I was involved with did actually point

968
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 11: out a photo. But then the goal in the FBI

969
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 11: is not just do I know the identity, but it

970
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 11: is to find someone catch them in the active classing

971
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 11: passing classified documents. And that was the goal. That's one

972
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 11: thing that made it take so long.

973
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Speaker 7: Amazing why you're doing that. You're starting to get a

974
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 7: beat on the subject and you run into some pretty

975
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 7: serious well what we say interference.

976
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: Tell us what.

977
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 11: Happened in the case itself trying to find him and

978
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 11: meet him, or later on in publishing the book, Well, for.

979
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 7: I want to get to the later publishers book. But first,

980
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 7: as you were trying to solve the case. The brass

981
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 7: got cold fee, didn't they.

982
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 11: Yeah, it was difficult. In ninety eight, I had been

983
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Speaker 11: in San Diego for eight years. I had been previously

984
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Speaker 11: in the Washington Field Office for eighteen years, so I

985
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 11: did a lot of counter intelligence work against Russians and

986
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Speaker 11: all the Eastern Bloc countries, and I'd recruited individuals. So

987
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 11: when it was learned that there was a trader in

988
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Speaker 11: the FBI, the question is who they would spend send

989
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 11: to go to try to recruit a Russian who could

990
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 11: identify him, because everybody in the FBI at that point

991
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Speaker 11: was a suspect, including me. But as it turns out,

992
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Speaker 11: because I arrived in San Diego nineteen ninety and the

993
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Speaker 11: trader was active in ninety two to ninety three, I

994
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 11: wasn't the bad guy. So three agents flew out there

995
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Speaker 11: literally under cover of darkness on a Tuesday afternoon, telling me,

996
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 11: don't tell anyone else in the Field office, not in

997
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 11: your wife, no one at all, what we're doing. That

998
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 11: we're here at all, and we want you to go

999
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 11: to the film festival and read this man and try

1000
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Speaker 11: to recruit him. And when a Soviet official is assigned

1001
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Speaker 11: to DC in the embassy for four years, it's almost

1002
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Speaker 11: impossible to recruit them. But so I asked how long

1003
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Speaker 11: I had this? And the festival was eight days long,

1004
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 11: so this stetu of eight days. So Tom Cruise had

1005
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 11: his mission of possible movies, but his missions were jumping

1006
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 11: out of airplanes and scaling buildings, but they were physical obscles. I, however,

1007
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 11: had a psychological obstacle. The Soviets believe there were two superpowers,

1008
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Speaker 11: that they were the member of the best superpowers, so

1009
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Speaker 11: why would that guy want to talk to me? So

1010
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 11: it took all of the profiling. I attribute part of

1011
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Speaker 11: this to my old friend John Douglas, who did profiling

1012
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Speaker 11: in the criminal field with serial murderers and the like.

1013
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 11: And we also use the same kind of profiling, kindter intelligence,

1014
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 11: but ours was all classified, so it wouldn't have made

1015
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 11: it into the public sphere. But it was the same way.

1016
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Speaker 11: What would it take to have the man agree to

1017
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Speaker 11: talk to someone from the FBI, And that therein lies

1018
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 11: the big difficulty we had to surmount, But it worked

1019
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 11: out well in the end.

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Speaker 9: Wayne, very quickly, we've just got about thirty seconds left

1021
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Speaker 9: talk to us about the pushback that you've gotten in

1022
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 9: actually getting this book out.

1023
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

1024
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Speaker 11: Well, to have any kind of a book published, whether

1025
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Speaker 11: it's poetry or fly fishing in West Virginia, you have

1026
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Speaker 11: to say through the pre publication review unit in Washington.

1027
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Speaker 11: And they had never had a book submitted to them

1028
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Speaker 11: which was a non fiction counterintelligence book. And I was

1029
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 11: the first one who did that. If you want to

1030
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 11: write about one big drug case you're having destroyed, or

1031
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 11: kidnapping in Tampa, you know have ad it. But this

1032
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 11: was all what they consider sources and methods. And it

1033
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 11: took me seven years. I sent it to them at

1034
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 11: three so in twenty sixteen they have forty to five

1035
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 11: days to review a book. Three years later it came

1036
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Speaker 11: back to me completely redacted. I flew to Washington three

1037
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 11: times to argue out and finally, after a full seven years,

1038
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Speaker 11: they released it.

1039
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 9: We are so glad. I'm so sorry, we're up against

1040
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 9: the heartbreak. We are so glad that it's out. Everybody,

1041
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 9: go get it. A Trader in the FBI by Wayne

1042
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 9: Barnes is out officially April seventh, a week from today,

1043
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 9: but you can pre order it now, so go do

1044
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 9: that again. A Trader in the FBI by Wayne Barnes.

1045
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 9: That's going to do it for us and I have

1046
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 9: a great one. We'll be back tomorrow, same time, same place,