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Speaker 1: What's happening? Everybody. Welcome into a Wednesday they show of

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Speaker 1: Texas All Access from Monday, Texans's radio studio. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: John Harris, Football at Sideout reporter for you. Who's Texans

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Speaker 1: So glad to be with you. We got plenty to

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Speaker 1: do on a Wednesday. We're gonna have Amari Rodgers stopping

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Speaker 1: for a deep interview we got in the lab. That's

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Speaker 1: really fun in some sense. With Drew Doherty, it's a

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Speaker 1: little sad, but we know the old ball coach, the Pirate,

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Speaker 1: would have liked what we talked about. Maybe he didn't,

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Speaker 1: but Drew stops by with me and we talked a

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Speaker 1: little bit about Mike Leach and what the impact he

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Speaker 1: had on the game on everybody. That's just amazing and

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Speaker 1: so sad that he has gone at the age of

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Speaker 1: sixty one. R I P Coach. We're also going to

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Speaker 1: have Mark stop by with me, and then we will

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Speaker 1: have Mitch Holts play by play man of the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chief's been doing it is nineteen ninety four. You've

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Speaker 1: heard his voice so often? Have you watched Mike up

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Speaker 1: shows or turning point shows because the Chiefs have been

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Speaker 1: playing in some big game. So you've heard Mitch Holzens.

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Speaker 1: He'll stop by for our men behind the Mike's a

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Speaker 1: little later in the show, but we kick it off

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Speaker 1: with general manager of Your Houston Texans, Nick Cassario. We

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Speaker 1: had a blast talking with Nick, as we do each

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Speaker 1: and every week. Let's dive in right here here on

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Speaker 1: the Hunday Texans radio studio. We're visiting with Nick Cassario,

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Speaker 1: general manager of Your Texans. Nick, great to see you

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Speaker 1: before we talk about the game and what's going on

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Speaker 1: this week. I know, Mike Leach, the passing has affected

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Speaker 1: so many people in the football world and beyond your thoughts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: incredibly sad news. I think for college football impact a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, a lot of coaches, a lot of

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Speaker 1: players at a significant impact on the college game. Going

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Speaker 1: back to you know, his time there with coach Mummy.

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Speaker 1: You know, even Valadosta University, Kentucky, Tim Couch. You've seen

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's lasted hover many years, so it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. It just kind of puts everything in perspective.

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Speaker 1: I means sixty one years old. I mean, here he was.

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Speaker 1: He came off the great win for the program, however

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Speaker 1: many weeks ago the Egg Bowl against the Old miss

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Speaker 1: it's just kind of it's shocking and it's sad. But

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Speaker 1: he impacted a lot of impact of the game in

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Speaker 1: a positive way, impact a lot of players, a lot

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Speaker 1: of coaches, and he's going to be, you know, sorely missed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt, and it's hard to transition out of

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Speaker 1: that's what we got to do. Nick can talk about

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Speaker 1: the Dallas game so close at the end there, goal line,

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Speaker 1: there's so many good things, Nick, What stood out to

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Speaker 1: you the most about the progress made in the game

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Speaker 1: against Dallas? Yeah, the effort in the consistency with which

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Speaker 1: we've competed has been there from the beginning, and I

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Speaker 1: think you saw that guys played with good energy, with

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Speaker 1: which we've talked about this in previous shows. It's a

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Speaker 1: If you don't, then you're not sure how it's going

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Speaker 1: to go. But you know, players fought hard, players competed.

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Speaker 1: We had our chance there in the end, just kind

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Speaker 1: the end was you know, just circumstantial. So I had

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Speaker 1: come down to. Well, what about certain guys taking their

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Speaker 1: nick this time of year, a lot of guys banged up.

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Speaker 1: We talk about the young guys, the rookies all the time.

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Speaker 1: Like we talked about with Chris and Tremont, no matter

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Speaker 1: like I said, kind of maneuvering around, and at times

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Speaker 1: it's really hard, you know, hard to get to him.

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Speaker 1: Nick when Mahomes was coming out where you were, you

429
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Speaker 1: weren't going to take him. But as you evaluate a

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Speaker 1: player like that, and this applies to a lot of

431
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Speaker 1: guys who would imagine he didn't come from a program

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Speaker 1: where he won't big. It wasn't like they were horrible,

433
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Speaker 1: but they weren't winning big, winning national championships. How do

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Speaker 1: you evaluate the will to win factor of what he

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Speaker 1: does along with the skill set, the amazing throws and

436
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Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah, he put it all together, and

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Speaker 1: I think kind of going back to what you talked

438
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Speaker 1: about with coach Reid, just kind of evolving. And then

439
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,080
Speaker 1: you look at their team this year. I think it's

440
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Speaker 1: a really good example. So a lot of new players,

441
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Speaker 1: a lot of new faces, and then they had a

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Speaker 1: system that they put in place kind of when Alex

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Speaker 1: was there. And then okay, once they made a decision

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Speaker 1: to go to Patrick, then all right, what are the

445
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Speaker 1: things that he does well? So it's about the player,

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Speaker 1: it's about the program, and it's about kind of what

447
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Speaker 1: you do around that player as well. So it kind

448
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Speaker 1: of all fits together. So I think sometimes we all

449
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 1: get caught up in stats and while this guy's record

450
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Speaker 1: was this and this guy had this many touchdowns in

451
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Speaker 1: this many yards. That's a part of the evaluation, but

452
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Speaker 1: though the other areas that factor in the evaluation as well,

453
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Speaker 1: that you have to consider. One of the things Patrick said,

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Speaker 1: I think in his rookiear at the end of his

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Speaker 1: rookie year, he talked about understanding defenses, understanding things that

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Speaker 1: he was seeing, and he was like, boll, I didn't

457
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Speaker 1: even know this as he was coming in. When you

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Speaker 1: get young quarterbacks in the league, Nick, how often and

459
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Speaker 1: how long does it take for them to sort of

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Speaker 1: understand Okay, I know this is at least this coverage.

461
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Speaker 1: I know it's this, I know where the soft spot is.

462
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Speaker 1: How long does that kind of take for a course?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's probably different for different guys,

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Speaker 1: but on the average, how long does it take for

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Speaker 1: a guy to kind of understand that stuff? John? It's

466
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Speaker 1: a great questions. It varies, It takes time. It takes

467
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Speaker 1: a lot of time because each team you play, their

468
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Speaker 1: coverage composition is different. So one's not one, so it's

469
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Speaker 1: just not well, it's covered one, Okay, two's not two,

470
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Speaker 1: four's not four. I think the biggest difference is the

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Speaker 1: complexity of coverage, especially I would say in the critical situations,

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Speaker 1: which are third down to red area, because I can

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Speaker 1: in our league, you allocate more time and resources try

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Speaker 1: to figure out who's the go to player, what are

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Speaker 1: they trying to do? On this coverage. Okay, if they

476
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Speaker 1: double this player, all right, where's my single? And you

477
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Speaker 1: have to process that information quickly. So as much as

478
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Speaker 1: you need to understand what's going on in the offensive

479
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Speaker 1: side of the ball, learn the playbook and my drop

480
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Speaker 1: and all that, what's going on the other side of

481
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Speaker 1: the ball is as important as anything because that allows

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Speaker 1: you to play fast and anticipate. All right, when they

483
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Speaker 1: play this technique, when he's inside leverage, all right, that's

484
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Speaker 1: a trigger to well, that's probably what the coverage is.

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Speaker 1: And the teams that kind of mix and match and

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Speaker 1: disguise they show you one thing. I'd say, you're seeing

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Speaker 1: more teams kind of play that shell coverage and then

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Speaker 1: sort of drop in. Well it looks like four, but

489
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Speaker 1: it's not. It's really buzz. Okay, where's the curl five player?

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Speaker 1: How is he positioned? Those intricacies and nuances are probably

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Speaker 1: the things that you're not gonna learn right away. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna take a little bit of time, and then it's

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Speaker 1: gonna take repetition. And then each week it's a different opponent.

494
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Speaker 1: Like there's not well, thirty two defenses all the same defense.

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Speaker 1: How Kansas City plays defense different how Tennessee plays defense different,

496
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Speaker 1: how Jacksonville plays defense, different, how Dallas plays defense, and

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Speaker 1: even go back to Dallas. When you look at what

498
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Speaker 1: DQ has done, it's not just well, this is what

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Speaker 1: they did when they're in Seattle. So they've evolved, they've modified.

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Speaker 1: So I think teams are always trying to stay a

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Speaker 1: step ahead. So playing quarterback, the best you can to

502
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Speaker 1: try to stay a step ahead and anticipate and then

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Speaker 1: trust what you see and then verify the information, and

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Speaker 1: once the game starts or at the coverage, patterns usually

505
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Speaker 1: declare about how a team is going to play. Nick

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Speaker 1: this is a very important question. We asked Lovey this

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Speaker 1: as well. I'm sure when you're working away throughout the day,

508
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Speaker 1: Christmas music is playing in your office, but we're hearing

509
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Speaker 1: it everywhere. I'm sure doing all your shopping, you're doing

510
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Speaker 1: all daylight. I'm just kidding around about that. But you

511
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Speaker 1: have to give us an MVP or two for Christmas songs,

512
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Speaker 1: and if you're wanting to put one on waivers, we'll

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Speaker 1: take that information. Because I can't believe I'm actually got so.

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Speaker 1: My daughters sometimes think that their father is the Grinch.

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Speaker 1: So we're are big fans of you're a mean one,

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00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: mister grinch. Okay, So unfortunately, I know that doesn't bring

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Speaker 1: a lot of holiday cheer to a lot of people,

518
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Speaker 1: but it's good for the team. But so I'm really

519
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Speaker 1: not as much of a grinch as they seem to think.

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Speaker 1: But that's what they they would if you ask them,

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Speaker 1: they probably that would be their answer. It's the greatest

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Speaker 1: starts are Christmas song. I mean, he's got some pipes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My nickname at home is Ebenezer. So I'm right there

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Speaker 1: with you. Thanks a lot for joining us, Good luck,

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, you know what I mean. One mister Grench. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's right. That's about the only thing I could sing

527
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Speaker 1: is when I go down loan to base. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I like to sing every now and again, just a

529
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Speaker 1: little bit of it. You know what's coming next, you

530
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Speaker 1: know those kind of things. I just like to throw

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Speaker 1: it in there. But appreciate you guys for humor and

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Speaker 1: me speaking of what's coming up next. Markov Annam is

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Speaker 1: gonna stop by and I ask him this one simple question,

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Speaker 1: Who is the greatest quarterback since twenty fourteen the Texans

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Speaker 1: have faced? Now I used twenty fourteen because that was

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Speaker 1: my first year down on the sidelines. Who's the best

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Speaker 1: quarterback we have faced? That's next right here in Texas

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Speaker 1: All Access. Welcome back this Wednesday edition of Texans All Access.

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Speaker 1: Good catching up with Nick Cassario. Mark, I got a

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Speaker 1: different question to ask you. But when Nick brought up

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Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey, the center from Oklahoma, who's the second year

542
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Speaker 1: center arguably one of the better rookie years. Did your

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Speaker 1: years perk up? Because I know mine did. I kind

544
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Speaker 1: of went, oh, Now, I know they weren't going to

545
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Speaker 1: get him in the third round at sixty seven, but

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that he did admit how

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Speaker 1: much they did like Crete Humphrey. Yeah, no, I know

548
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Speaker 1: you liked him, Johnny, and I saw the body language

549
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: as well. That video is up on YouTube and I

550
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Speaker 1: believe Houston Texans dot com and the Texans app as well,

551
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Speaker 1: so you can watch Johnny's reaction to that. Nick Kissario

552
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Speaker 1: liking certain Look, I think these gms, like a lot

553
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Speaker 1: of players, you can't draft everybody they have who they have,

554
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Speaker 1: and that's why I like to ask about following players

555
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Speaker 1: careers and charting yourself. How good was your board three

556
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Speaker 1: years ago based on where the players are now in

557
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: their performance level around the league, not just your players,

558
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Speaker 1: but everybody else's price. We had this guy rated as

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Speaker 1: a three, and look at him. He's performing as a

560
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Speaker 1: five or as a one, or whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 1: Just so you can measure your own evaluations skills as

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Speaker 1: a department, right And I think that stuff is interesting

563
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: and it'll get a whole lot more interesting when we

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Speaker 1: get into the offseason. Right now, we have four games

565
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Speaker 1: to play, we do, and we're gonna face Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask you a question that you might

567
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Speaker 1: have to talk it out, and that's fine because we're

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Speaker 1: on radio. Okay, Mahomes is arguably, but on the sidelines,

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Speaker 1: not for nine years. You've been up in the boot

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Speaker 1: since two thousand and two. I don't even know if

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Speaker 1: it's arguable. I mean, he and Josh Allen might be

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Speaker 1: the two best that I can remember seeing. Now. We've

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Speaker 1: seen him, all seen Brady at his prime, We've seen

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in his prime in an MVP year, We've

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Speaker 1: seen we've seen the great ones. Is Mahomes on his

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Speaker 1: I should even say that way? Is he the best

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Speaker 1: that we've seen live? And I always put it since

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, since I got down on the sidelines those

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Speaker 1: nine years. Is he the best that we've seen at

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position? I think physical talent. Now you've seen

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Speaker 1: him a few times, but you have seen Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more, right, And Manning wasn't look none

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Speaker 1: of these guys. You guys saw Manning. I well, I

584
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Speaker 1: guess I caught him right at the end. It was

585
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: the preseason. You didn't see him. I missed. I missed

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Speaker 1: Manning down on the field. Yeah, thanks, because thirteen was

587
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: the last time we saw him live and he was

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Speaker 1: here and he set the record for touchdown passes in

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Speaker 1: the season with that game against the two and fourteen

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Speaker 1: Texans or who would eventually be two and fourteen. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a great question, like who's the most talented quarterback

592
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Speaker 1: the Texans have seen. It's either Aaron Rodgers or Patrick

593
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Speaker 1: Mahomes in terms of raw talent. And Rogers had that

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Speaker 1: huge game here in twenty twelve on Sunday Night Football,

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Speaker 1: and Maholmes has had some awesome moments. The twenty eighteen look,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to bring it up again. The twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen playoff game, but he was so good in that

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Speaker 1: game as it went on. You know, early on, guys

599
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: were dropping balls. There are a few missus. Texans built

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Speaker 1: the big lead, but afterwards it just felt like he

601
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Speaker 1: couldn't miss and good night. Everybody came over. You know,

602
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: they had a four point lead at the half and

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Speaker 1: it felt insurmountable based on what had just happened. It

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Speaker 1: felt like you were never going to come back from

605
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Speaker 1: a four point deficit twenty twenty four, and you didn't.

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Speaker 1: He's probably the best, but Johnny, I think Brady in

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, the Monday night game and the playoff game,

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Speaker 1: and Brady was already in the league for a decade plus, right,

609
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Speaker 1: but so a lot of people thought Brady's getting older.

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Speaker 1: Now you imagine that he's still playing. This is twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: Brady's getting older now. That offense with Tom Brady at

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Speaker 1: the controls was as hot an offense as I can

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Speaker 1: ever remember. And the way they just torched the Texans

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Speaker 1: with the quick snaps with Aaron Hernandez and Gronkowski. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, the ability to throw the ball to the backs,

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Speaker 1: the ability just to make to find your weakness, know

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Speaker 1: what it is. It exploited instantly. It hurt a lot

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Speaker 1: to see what he did to the Texans. And look,

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Speaker 1: I'll go back to Manning here for a moment, since

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Speaker 1: we're talking about quarterbacks, Manning and his prime and the

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Speaker 1: Texans had seen him plenties what eighteen and two all

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Speaker 1: time against the Texts, something like that, sixteen and two

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Speaker 1: against the Texans as a cult, Manning was so good

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00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: just torture watching him play and standing at the line

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00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: for the entire length of the play clock, almost on

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Speaker 1: every snap, and just making your defense stay in their stance,

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Speaker 1: and he was just toying with you. Third down and

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Speaker 1: six with Manning was terrifying for the defense, at least

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Speaker 1: for me calling the action as a Houston Texans announcer.

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Speaker 1: So I'll always tip my cap to those guys. But Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: in terms of raw talent, it's probably the best they've seen.

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Speaker 1: He's so talented, Johnny. He can throw any angle. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's the arms slot changes when it needs to. And

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Speaker 1: the past he threw last week was one of the

635
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: most ridiculous plays I've ever seen in the NFL. I mean,

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00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: forget it. I mean that he's just he's toying with

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Speaker 1: people at that point, and the telstraor did for KPRC,

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00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: which was see on game day, was it was maybe

639
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: maybe just a simple pass from him. But I think

640
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: it's shown how he's evolved because I remember him and

641
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: his the end of his first year, he was talking.

642
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: He did an interview I think it was actually at

643
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. He didn't interview, talking about how he

644
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: really didn't understand coverages until about halfway through the year.

645
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: He just didn't understand. And I was like, man, if

646
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: that's true, when he understands coverage and when he starts

647
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: really knowing what a defense is doing to him, holy cow, lookout. Well.

648
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: I think it was the second play of the game

649
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: against the Broncos. Chiefs had a couple receivers and stack

650
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: alignment left, they just blow off the ball. Kelsey goes

651
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: up the field and kind of runs like a sail

652
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: route or a short corner, and Pacheco just comes out

653
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: of the flat. Well. I've convinced that early in his

654
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: career he would try to hit one of those deep shots,

655
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: like I'm taking a deep shot when him Tyreek one

656
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: of them's, you know, to Marcus Robinson, who member he's

657
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna take a deep shot or he's gonna force it

658
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: to Kelsey when in fact there's a running back right there.

659
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: Just get it to him one for down and let

660
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: him see what he can do. He took that check down.

661
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: He saw the defense, He saw the two guys go

662
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: off the two corners or the two defensive backs go

663
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: off with the Chief's receivers. He knew the he knew

664
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: the safety and the linebacker had to go too far

665
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: to go get the running back. And he flips out

666
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: the Pacheco thirty five yard game, second play the game,

667
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: and it just showed Okay, yeah, that's simple, right, Heyton

668
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: Manning was doing that from jump. Yeah, Mahomes is now

669
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: learning how to do it, And that, to me is

670
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: the scary part because that's where you really have an

671
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: issue against him, Like, man, what do you do? Because

672
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: first and ten he's just taking profit that's given to him.

673
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: Third and five? Do you heat him up? Do you drop?

674
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: Do you spy? Like what do you? What do you

675
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: do against Patrick Mahomes To frustrate him, sometimes you just

676
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: have to let him, you know, kind of eat himself

677
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: up on the inside and making some dumb decisions. He

678
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: had three interceptions against le Broncos, and that's what you

679
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: hope is that he turns it over. But the one

680
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: thing we haven't seen from Patrick, at least against US,

681
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: is how would he do in a fourth quarter situation.

682
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: The only time we saw it was twenty nineteen and

683
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: they went three out. They went three out, three and

684
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: out with two drives in the fourth quarter against the defense.

685
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: That wasn't the best the Texans ever had, right right,

686
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: And but he's done it before the Chargers. So that

687
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: was gonna leave me to the question of three minutes

688
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: left in the game, team's got one time out, got

689
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: a great yards? What quarterbacks scares you the most? Who

690
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: scares at this point any point? Was it Peyton? It

691
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: would be Brady. It would be scared me the most, absolutely,

692
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: because he's done it so many times and he's Tom Brady.

693
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: And I think everybody reacts to him being Tom Brady.

694
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: The defense reacts to him being Tom Brady, the offense

695
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: reacts to him being Tom Brady. So I think, look,

696
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: it's the easy answer. You go to the greatest of

697
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: all time, Manning was time for a reason. You know,

698
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: we talk about the Rosencopter game from time to time.

699
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: That was such a rough day. They scored. It was

700
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: seventeen points they scored to cut it to ten. That's

701
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: what it was when Rosencopter occurred. Right, So Sage gets rosencopter,

702
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: ball comes out, it's returned by the defense, Gary Brackett

703
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. Now you're up three. They got the

704
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: ball back. Rosenvel's turned out the fumble again. I thought,

705
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: there's no way he's gonna fumble. But they'll go three

706
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: and out. You'll kick off to them and the Colts

707
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: will score again, at least get a field goal, send

708
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: it into overtime. Look early on, and that was later

709
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: than early on, but I remember early on Manning having

710
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: so many moments. But that first defense, and I talk

711
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: about them from time to time, they actually did a

712
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: pretty decent job. Look up the numbers. I think the

713
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: first time they met them, met the Colts at NRG,

714
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: it was like twenty to three. They held the Colts

715
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: to twenty. Yeah, but the offense only produced three. That

716
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: young Texans offense, and you know year too. Steve McNair.

717
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: Steve McNair had a tremendous He was fourth and ten

718
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: hit Drew Bennett for the game winner on Christmas Eve

719
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: or somewhere around there in oh three, So we've seen

720
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. But yeah, Brady would scare me

721
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: the most. Mahomes would scare me a lot. Right now, Johnny,

722
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: do you agree with me on this. If you're not

723
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: getting pressure with your front four against a Mahomes, oh Mahomes,

724
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: that kind of quarterback, you've got to heat them up, right.

725
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: You've got to send people. I know and Andrea always

726
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: talks about a quarterbacks like to be blitz the good

727
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: ones because they know where the blitz was coming from. Well,

728
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: you better be creative, and you better hope that you

729
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: find a way to get after him, at least rattle

730
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: him a tiny little bit, get him off his launching point,

731
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: get him off his spot. Maybe get a strip sack.

732
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: Maybe just force an errand throw it in completion, would

733
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: be nice. Thank you very much. All Right, I'm gonna

734
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: give you. I'm gonna give you something actually that I

735
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm gonna say this, but it's actually Frank Clark.

736
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Frank Clark had taught me and I didn't get it

737
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: directly from him, but it was actually having to do

738
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: with the shan It was the twenty nineteen playoff game.

739
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: After the game, everybody's talking about how they eventually slowed

740
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: the Texas down. What was different in this game than

741
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: was different in October, et cetera, et cetera. And Frank

742
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: Clark said something I thought was interesting, And I do

743
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: think this would be something I would consider against a quarterback,

744
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: especially like Mahomes, because he does like to do this.

745
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: What Clark was saying was that they knew that the

746
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: Shawn with a highside rush in his face, so from

747
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: his right side, the defense has left, that defensive end

748
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: would just fly a field and the Sean would see that.

749
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: And so what do you do if you're a quarterback?

750
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: You duck in and you duck out. Well, the Chiefs

751
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: played into that. They would invite him to do that.

752
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: They would go up the field knowing, oh, and he's

753
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: gonna duck in and duck out, ducked out, they would

754
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: loop somebody around and all of a sudden, whoa, And

755
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: it happened a couple times. I remember the second half,

756
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: and I thought, that's kind of interesting. That's genius. Yeah, well,

757
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: that's what Mahomes likes to do too. Mahomes likes to

758
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: get in and get out. And what I've I haven't

759
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: understood why a team doesn't do sort of what Frank

760
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: Clark has talked about, and that is, invite him to

761
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: go where he is used to going. He likes to

762
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: go up and out, So take your defensive end, rush

763
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: him highside, and then immediately direct him back. But then

764
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: take your line and loop it that way. But then

765
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: also play your coverage that way too. So if he's

766
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna loop out, or if he's gonna dart out, then

767
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: why doesn't your coverage shift too. Let him throw the

768
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: ball fifty yards back across the field. That's fine, but

769
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: basically play half field football with him, force him to

770
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: one side, and then keep him there. It's like it's

771
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: like a press in basketball in some sense I haven't

772
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: seen now, Listen, it's a lot easier said than done.

773
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: But if that's what he likes to do, then invite

774
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: him to do it, but then adapt your defense to

775
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: do it. Don't play like a middle of the field defense.

776
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: As he's rolling to the right, now he can throw

777
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: back to the middle of those kind of things. But

778
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: if you kind of shift as he does, and you

779
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: plan that, you invite it, and then you do it,

780
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: maybe you have an opportunity. I don't know. This is

781
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: the way he is evolving as a quarterback is very troublesome.

782
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: And I thought that with no Tyreek that Okay, the

783
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: rest these guys are just guys. Don't make a catch

784
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: here there, Mahomes will make him a little bit better.

785
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: I feel like Mahomes has gotten better. He's been forced

786
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: to be better because there is no Tyreek. He can't

787
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: just rely on Tyreek to go the one hundred miles

788
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: an hour down the field, stop, pivot, turn around a

789
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: curl rod and he can hit him. He is now

790
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: using everybody and obviously he goes to Kelsey a Ton

791
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: and I think that's where he'll try and go in

792
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: this game because I think our underneath coverage is not

793
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: what it needs to be. But when it comes to

794
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: what he can do at the end of the game,

795
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that part. We unfortunately experienced Dak last week.

796
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: But it is something Mahomes does well. But I'm with you.

797
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: I think Brady is the one that I would absolutely,

798
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: without question, I think I would still fear him at

799
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: four to five. I don't care what's going on with

800
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: the but I was still fearing him. He's done it

801
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: this year, Johnny Mahomes this year. You know what on

802
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: paced guy has to say about all this With four

803
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: games left in the season and them chasing a potential

804
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: one seed. I know that they have issues with the

805
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: head to head, but you never know. So he has

806
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: eleven picks after that three interception performance, so he's on

807
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: pace to have the most interceptions of his career. Wo. Yeah,

808
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: but again he's playing better than he has no, no,

809
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: he's He's also on pacedown the most touchdown passes he's

810
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: had since twenty eighteen when he had fifty, right, so

811
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: this will be second as long as he keeps this

812
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: pace going because the high other than that was thirty

813
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: eighty at thirty seven last year, thirty He has thirty

814
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: three right now with four games to go. If he

815
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: averages you know, if her averages one and a half

816
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: per game, he'll smash his second best performance, and I

817
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: think he's in good shape to do that. He's also

818
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: on pace to take the most sacks he's ever taken,

819
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: but not by much, not by much. So there's some

820
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: of that going on here. And Nick Casserio said it himself.

821
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, they don't run the ball that much or

822
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: that well or as well as they want. But Pacheco

823
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: is playing well and and Mitch holtles we'll have him

824
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: on later, right. Absolutely. He said something about Pacheco that's

825
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: gonna give some people. I wouldn't say chills, but it'll

826
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: certainly be notable that Pacheco reminds him a little bit

827
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: of Damian Pierce in terms of the angry running style.

828
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: They're not exactly the same, but Pacheco will make you

829
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: feel it. Yeah, And there's no doubt he is. He's

830
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: compact and strong. I was one of the things I

831
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: remember it about watching him. I wasn't sure exactly where

832
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: he's gonna fit. He's five ten. You look at him

833
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: and you see at number ten, you immediately think Tyreek

834
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: because that's what you've seen. But then you see him

835
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: turning into jets and you're like that's Tyreek, and you're like, no, no, no, no,

836
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: that's Pacheco. He's two hundred and sixteen pounds too. He

837
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: hits it hard. I think they've actually found a better

838
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: combination with Pacheco and McKinnon than they had with Edwards,

839
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: Hilaire and McKinnon. I think I think it's a better

840
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: combination because when McKinney comes in the game, he's scary

841
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: good man. He is scary scary good So you got

842
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: those two. I don't think the receivers are great. I

843
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: don't know if they need to be with Mahomes the

844
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: way that he's playing. But I think that the addition

845
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: of Pacheco has changed things because that's what they thought

846
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire would give them, but they didn't really get

847
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: that from him, kind of up and down, injured at times.

848
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: But they're getting it from Pacheco, a guy that ended

849
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: up going in the what are you go in the

850
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: seventh round? I think he went. He was a seventh

851
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: round he was picked two fifty one, yep, and look

852
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Well, what's the other thing. The Texans

853
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: are first in the NFL and rookie starts. The Chiefs

854
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: are second in the NFL and rookie starts. That's amazing

855
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: are rookies right? So you have a lot of young players.

856
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: Justin Reid is their old buddy as well. On pace,

857
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: Guy also points out that rushing yards this will be

858
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: at least his second most ever in his career, and

859
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: he'll have the most rushing touchdowns in his career is

860
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: currently tied with everything else. He's had two each of

861
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: the first whatever, what is it six years as a starter,

862
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: so we'll go for it's five years as a starter.

863
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: So we'll go from there and assume that he's gonna

864
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: get at least one more. And this is something I

865
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: like to point out about Mahomes. He does run with

866
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: the ball. You know, I always talk about this whenever

867
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: we bring him up. It's not like he's Lamar Jackson.

868
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: He's not one of these guys. He's not just in fields.

869
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: But what he will do is, I don't mind taking

870
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: it for fifteen yards. Whoop up the sideline and line

871
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: him up again, and let's snap it first and ten.

872
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: I just moved the sticks because nothing else was open,

873
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: and I'm going to do that. He's always hovered around

874
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: sixty five percent, very solid obviously, and throwing a gazillion touchdowns.

875
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: But it's interesting to see where he's at right now

876
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: with this Chiefs team and where he is his right

877
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: in the MVP conversation along with Jalen Hurts the Phildelphia Eagles.

878
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: Josh Alan, Maybe, Josh, you gotta have a good finish

879
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: to be in there. But it feels like it's Mahomes

880
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: and hurts down the stretch. All rightlet's go round the

881
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: NFL hit Texans injury report. Get you updated for this

882
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: one against Mahomes in the Chiefs. Next righting on Texans

883
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: Axis Welo Mac this Wednesday edition of Texans All Access.

884
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm John Harris, your host, and let's get a little

885
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: bit of news, especially this one. If you have been

886
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: picking up Brock Purty on your fantasy team, yeah, I

887
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: don't know about this one. He is questionable with an

888
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: oblique slash rib issue for the game against the Seattle Seahawks.

889
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: Purty was a limited participant in practice a week due

890
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: to those injuries, and head coach Kyle Shannihan told reporters

891
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: on Tuesday he expects the staff will have its best

892
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: understanding of pretty status on game day. I eat game

893
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: day decision, so keep that in mind. Zach Wilson had

894
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: a promotion. He's with the number two quarterback. With some

895
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: of the injuries that are happening there in New York,

896
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: we'll see if he gets to get back on the field.

897
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: But Mike white Man, he took a beating the other

898
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: day against Buffalo, but it sounds like Mike White still

899
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: ready to go. Weird situation in Atlanta where Marcus Mariota

900
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: is going on injured reserve because he's gonna undergo knee surgery.

901
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: Now the Falcons were going to replace him anyways, and

902
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: then he decided to have nice jury. Arthur Smith was

903
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: not too happy about that earlier this week. But Desmond

904
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: Ritter making his first start this weekend for the Atlanta Falcon.

905
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: So if you want a quarterback with some mobility with

906
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: some yards for your fantasy team, there you go. All right.

907
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: Injury report way way too long, way too long. Mario Addison,

908
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: Lee Collins, Dico Collins, Brandon Cooks, Jerry Hughes, Justin McCray,

909
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: Stephen Nelson, Damian Peers, Barracks Tingley Junior, Larmy Tunso all

910
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: missed practice today. Kenny Green limited participant with an ankle injury.

911
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to see him on Sunday,

912
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: but that's just me. Kurt Hiness, Roy Lopez, Taylor Starworth,

913
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: other defensive tackles back in action but limited, and then

914
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: Troy Harrison was a full participant. Can't say a chief

915
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: not as bad. They got a bunch of dudes, back.

916
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: So don't like the looks of that, but I do

917
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: like the looks of Mitch Holtis, played by play man

918
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: for the chief. Let's go maybe hand of mikes with

919
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: Mark Vandermurnack San Texans All Access. Oh yeah, you're not

920
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: a mean one, mister Inch. You're the best fans anybody

921
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: could have out there. I appreciate you being with me

922
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: right here on a Wednesday edition of Texas All Access.

923
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm John Harris, your host. It's time to go. Men

924
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: behind the mics, that's right, the two gentlemen I'll be

925
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: making the calls for their respective sides. For these Texans,

926
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: well you know, it's the voice lavos of lost Houston

927
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: tex sons Mark Vandamir, And for the Kansas City Chiefs,

928
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: it's the vanneraball Mitch Holtis, who's been doing it since

929
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety forty, took over for Kevin Harlan. How about

930
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: that they went from Harlan to Mitch Holtis, and both

931
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: these gentlemen do a great job. And I love it

932
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: when they get together. So will men behind the mikes,

933
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: Mark take it away? Joining us right now in Texans

934
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: Radio Real treat here. Mitch Holtis, the voice of the

935
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, Mitch, great to have you with us.

936
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: It's been a little bit since we've met. But here

937
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: we are, these two teams in different spots. Tell me

938
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: about the campaign for the Chiefs. Everyone from the outside

939
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: looking in making such a big deal about not Tyree Hill,

940
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: and clearly the Chiefs have moved on and moved on. Well,

941
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: what do you make of the evolution of the offense

942
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: and and everything really in twenty twenty two here March

943
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: is one of the underrated stories of the entire league

944
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two in the fact that, yes, after

945
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: the Tyreek He'll trade. Everybody thought the Twos would be

946
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: covered in molten lava by this time. And truthfully, they're

947
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: number one in the league again in passes of twenty

948
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: plus yards, and yet they've done it with twelve different guys.

949
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a reinvention here, not just the

950
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: offensive of Patrick Mahomes. He's so well known for, I

951
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: mean his crazy throw last week, the six yard touchdown

952
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: against the broadcast, but it is winging it down field

953
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: for sixty or seventy yards. He has taken the next

954
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: step of his career, which is, if you're going to

955
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: give him eight yard hitch routes he'll throw him. And

956
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: then you get to Juju Smith schuster the table to

957
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: take an eight yard hitch er out and making a

958
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: forty yard run. And now you've got a different team

959
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: that's still explosive, but just doing it in different ways.

960
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a great question because it's it's really

961
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: the crux of the matter here and why this team

962
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: still has a chance to maybe get it all done

963
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: for the big show and they're racing for a one

964
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: seed here against Buffalo. Mitch, take me through that transition

965
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: from Alex Smith to Patrick Mahomes, because the Texans and

966
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: the Chiefs met what four times between twenty fifteen and

967
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, including the playoff game here in Houston, and

968
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: the Chiefs were doing pretty well with Alex Smith, but

969
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: not well enough, and then Mahomes comes in and it's

970
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: a complete transformation. What about the coaching staff and Mahomes

971
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: himself the ability to go from one look to another

972
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: and get so much out of it. Well, you're on

973
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: fire with these questions because this is another one hundred

974
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: added question when you look at the ten years that

975
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have experience with Andy Reid, which have been

976
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: ten winning seasons, and he just got his eighth consecutive

977
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: ten plus win season. That's the second all time in

978
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: NFL behind Belichick hides with George Seyfert. Now, I say

979
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: that because the catalyst of that run is the transition

980
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: basically from Alex Smith to Patrick Mahomes. A couple of

981
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: different things here. One is a macro answer, meaning the

982
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: organization went through a complete transformation when Andy Reid game

983
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: head coach, much more accountability from the ownership group into

984
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: mcclark hunt to chairman and CEO both article and horizontally.

985
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: Now that communication line kept everything blown and everyone on

986
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: the same page. Second piece, his humility. Alex Smith was

987
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: humble enough he won fifty games. Now his the chief's quarterback,

988
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: was humble enough to praying Patrick Mahomes in an apprentice

989
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: year of twenty seventeen. Maholmes was humble enough to realize

990
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: when he came in as a rookie he didn't have

991
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: everything figured out. He was explosive a Texas Tech, but

992
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: he lost a lot of games and realized, hey, I've

993
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: got to learn, and he absorbed everything from read Eric

994
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: Bienemy at the time Matt Naggie now Naggie's back and

995
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: from Alex Smith because it was such a seamless transition

996
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: and actually was an elevation because Mahomes is more of

997
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 1: a complete quarterback than Alex Smith. Now they were able

998
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: to not take some backward step. A lot of teams

999
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: are trying to replicate that. Mark got to find the

1000
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: right pieces, and the pieces include the ownership, your general manager,

1001
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: your head coach, a humble veteran quarterback, and a humble

1002
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback, and all those pieces have led to what

1003
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have been the last decade. What do you

1004
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: think would have happened if they weren't able to move

1005
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: up and get Patrick Mahomes. That was a daring move

1006
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: at the time, and a lot of people passed on

1007
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. He didn't win huge in college, but you

1008
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: saw the ability. Where would we be at now, Mitch

1009
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: with no Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City? Hey, well, this

1010
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: answer in December of twenty two will sound weird, but

1011
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: guess who was right behind him? Yea? So do they

1012
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: trade the next step or if they can't do that,

1013
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: then do they stay with Alex and then try to

1014
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: go for the next quarterback class. But I'm just glad

1015
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: that did not happen. But yes, I mean, and the

1016
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: irony here is the Buffalo Bills that did the deal.

1017
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: First of all, the Bears had to pass up on

1018
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: ma Homes to get Traubisky. But let's go back in

1019
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: a time machine the March of twenty twelve or twenty seventeen,

1020
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: I should say, and Mahomes was there was this mix

1021
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: of view about Patrick. Oh, he's crazy, he runs around

1022
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: and he'll get seven hundred yards in the game in

1023
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: tech lose sixty five to fifty nine. I mean, that

1024
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: was the thought. But the Chiefs did a ton of

1025
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: due diligence on him, a ton, and Brett Veach, he's

1026
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: now the general manager, kind of took him on as

1027
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: a special project. And now it's famous because Andy read

1028
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: grilled him Andy, and he reads the brilliance. He's so

1029
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: underrated Mark as the head coach. And when he retires

1030
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: probably is when everything will come out. It really is

1031
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: going to be one of the top three or four

1032
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: head coaches in NFL history. But he's so brilliant. He

1033
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: was putting all this, all these challenges that Mahomes and

1034
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: Mahomes was passing every one of him. Now, Mahomes says

1035
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: that Nankie gave him the answers to the test that

1036
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: came out on Kelsey's podcast, But that's been a haha.

1037
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: But still, Andy Reid had to be convinced, and he

1038
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: was convinced after he put the hot lights on Patrick

1039
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: Mahomes and grilled that kid. That's beautiful. Well, I saw

1040
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, as everyone has in the State Farm commercial,

1041
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: drawing on people's faces with magic marker, and that's a

1042
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: side of his personality. Look, I'm not around him all

1043
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: the time. That's a side I haven't seen. Do you

1044
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: see that a lot around the building? I know it's football,

1045
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: it's serious, especially during the season. There's in season and

1046
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: offseason mode with a lot of coaches. What about his

1047
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: personality away from the football field? Match? Oh, I do

1048
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: see that, and I love the fact that. And Patrick

1049
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: it was his idea to have Andy in the commercial

1050
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: and Andy had to think about it a while. But

1051
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad Andy did it because yes, smart, Truthfully, that's

1052
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: the sight of Andy Reid that I can see with frequency,

1053
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: and I love it. The greatest attribute of Andy Reid

1054
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: as a head coach and a leader, and he could

1055
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: be CEO. I'm telling you, he could be CEO of

1056
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: any major corporation in Houston. Telling you straight up, the

1057
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: guy's wicked smart. He's also wicked funny and he gets

1058
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: the human spirit. But he gets in that state farm

1059
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: mode and he'll get in there. Oh, I don't know,

1060
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: maybe once every couple of weeks. You're just you just

1061
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: wanted this is so good man just lived there for

1062
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: a second. But yes, he's hilarious. He's got his own

1063
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: unique front him and tribute to the late Mike Leach,

1064
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: there's some of that with Andy. He's just he's he's

1065
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: so smart, so funny that he's a very unique human being.

1066
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: Mitch Holtless, voice of the Kansas City Chiefs with us

1067
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: and Mitch, you've had the job for a long time.

1068
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: How long did it take you to know that touchdown

1069
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: Kansas City. I'm not going to say it the way

1070
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: you do, but that that was going to be a staple,

1071
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: a signature that that was going to be a thing.

1072
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: That it happened naturally and you just sort of caught on.

1073
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: You just decided I'm going to keep doing it this way.

1074
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: How did that work? Some of it was or very

1075
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: organic as you've alluded to. Then parts of it was wow,

1076
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: three heart confidents. It's like any percussionists and maybe go

1077
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: to the Houston Symphony and ask that percussionists that like,

1078
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's three hard three hard symbol crashes right there,

1079
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: man for sure, So I just just go with the count.

1080
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it was mostly organic. It wasn't contrived.

1081
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: But once it kind of got out there, it was like, yeah,

1082
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: this will work. And now what's funny is people ask

1083
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: you to do it in the grocery store. I've had

1084
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: people in the church behind me and go, hey, do it.

1085
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: Do it like I'm not going to do it, sure,

1086
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: and the grocery store. What's fun. What's fun though, is

1087
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: I'll see little kids, like maybe out tailgating or I'll

1088
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: walk I'm walking through the and you know what tailgating's

1089
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: like here, it's incredible. But you'll see little kids playing

1090
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: a little pickup game or messing around and they'll say

1091
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: it and they don't know I'm there. Yeah, but I'll

1092
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: hear it, but my heart will get warm because I thought,

1093
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: you know what, my work is done here, I can

1094
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: move on. That's the beauty of being the voice of

1095
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: a team. There's no question about that. Mitch. Tell me

1096
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: something about these Chiefs, the twenty twenty two Chiefs that

1097
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: people don't talk about, but you really like, whether it's offense, defense,

1098
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: special teams, some facet, some aspect of the Chiefs game,

1099
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: of their performance. That's just not getting a lot of ink.

1100
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: The number one team in the National Football League with

1101
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 1: rookie starts are the Houston Texas. The number two team

1102
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: are the Kansas City Chiefs. But people do not realize

1103
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: because of the bright lights of Kelsey and and the

1104
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: other thing. I'm gonna get to Kelsey in a second

1105
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: if you'd let me do it. Sure, this is a

1106
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: very young team, a young team, and because they have

1107
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: such a strong superstar presence with Mahomes and Kelsey, I

1108
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: think that those bright lights over shadow that a team

1109
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: is sitting here at ten and three, can challenge for

1110
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: a bye week, and yet is just behind you guys

1111
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: in the rookie starts. Yeah, there's a lot of rookies

1112
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: that are making impacts on the team. The most notably

1113
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: is Isaiah Pacheco, the seventh round running back. Who's who's

1114
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: got a little Damien Pearson him. You know when you

1115
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: talk about the rookie class of the running backs, Damien's valedictorian.

1116
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: He might be Lap on the field feel badly about

1117
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: his ankle injury, but not far behind his Damien is

1118
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Isaiah Pacheco and he doesn't get as much love, but

1119
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: he might soon if he starts making plays like he

1120
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: did against Denver, which sealed the game on a second

1121
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: and ten where they have ten in the box and

1122
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: it didn't matter, and he went Christian A Koya on him.

1123
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: So there's more here than just Mahomes and Kelsey and

1124
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: Reid and the second lap Patrick's career meaning a second contract,

1125
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: you had to get younger you had. Your roster must

1126
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: change because of the cap, and the Chiefs are changing.

1127
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: They're in this kind of metamorphosis, and that part of

1128
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: that is these young players who are getting a lot

1129
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: of experience in playing time and many cases are performing

1130
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: very well. And then Kelsey's so underrated. I can't believe it.

1131
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: I would go to the Supreme Court now, Mark, and

1132
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: this is going to sound provenci All as the voice

1133
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: of the Chiefs, but I'm just I'm gonna yield this

1134
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: to any neutral court. Nobody at the tight end position

1135
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: has come close to what Travis Kelsey is doing. He

1136
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: just won over ten thousand yards. Five tight ends have

1137
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: done it. He did it thirty seven games faster than

1138
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: the second closest. Oh who, by the way, he's Tony Gonzalez.

1139
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: Seven straight one thousand yards seasons. Nobody's close when yards

1140
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: after catch, which is a very tight end running back metric.

1141
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: He's number one in NFL history in nine seasons. He

1142
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: didn't play his first year. He played one game on

1143
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: special teams, then he got hurt, and the others did that.

1144
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: Yack Yard and Shannon Sharpe is second. He did in

1145
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: a span of like fifteen seasons. It just it blows

1146
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: me away where nationally the people aren't going, you know,

1147
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: hands down, Okay, Gronks right there, Gronks there, But no,

1148
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: he blows away Gronk because now he's passing gronkum like

1149
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: the car at the Houston NASCAR race, just passing cars

1150
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: like crazy. Chelsea's way way way underrated what he's done.

1151
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: He's the best at that position by far. Yeah, I'll

1152
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: I'll concur I mean, the guy is amazing. Against the

1153
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: Houston Texans, They've had maybe one good game against him.

1154
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: I think that was the week two outing in twenty sixteen,

1155
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: putting a corner on him who did pretty well a

1156
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: j boyer at the time, but even then he had

1157
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of catches still and it was a hotly

1158
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: contested affair, and no Maholmes in that one. So I

1159
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: know there are gonna be some Kansas to your point,

1160
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: to your point, to your point. He makes he beat.

1161
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: He beats Jalen Ramsey on a crossing pattern one on

1162
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: one and out runs into the end zone for a touchdown.

1163
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: Last year. Today beats corners, he beats elite corners. Yeah,

1164
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: in the league, and Gronk wasn't doing that. I'm sorry

1165
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: now now. And Kelsey's out there for you more often

1166
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: than not. So that's that's the thing. Gronk obviously had

1167
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: health issue and everything else. Mitch Holtless, voice of the

1168
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs joining us. I know they're going to

1169
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: be some chiefs in the buildings, some chiefs, fans, chiefs,

1170
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: kingdom travels, and they'll come to Houston. There a lot

1171
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: of them in Houston. I was joking we should make

1172
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: it battle Red Day for the Houston Texans Part two.

1173
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: So it sort of blends in But give me an

1174
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: idea about how big the fan base is, Mitch, because

1175
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: I know that it's not just the numbers, it's geography.

1176
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: It's the middle of the country. So try to paint

1177
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: that picture for me if you could. Yeah, that's another

1178
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: great question. And that's where I mean the Kingdom. And

1179
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: it's a unique market. It's very similar to Green Bay.

1180
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: It's this rural urban mix. Kansas City is the thirty

1181
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: one second market overall, but it's surrounded by all these

1182
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: markets that are sixty five to seventy. When you look

1183
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: at the Springfield and Lincoln and Omaha and at Topeka

1184
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: and and so there is this regional appeal. But let

1185
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: me tell you what's gone on since Mahomes has become quarterback.

1186
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: And let's be honest, Mahomes his appeal goes way beyond

1187
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: Chiefs fans. The Chiefs are one of the fastest growing

1188
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL major metrics of popularity, and one

1189
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: of those metrics is second favorite team. For example, I

1190
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: live in Houston. I love the Texans. Let's go man.

1191
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: I love Jalen Patriot safety. But who's your second favorite team? Well,

1192
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: I love the Chiefs. If I can't keep my eyes

1193
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: off them. I gotta watch my homes and mahomes is

1194
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods of nineteen ninety nine. Sorry, he's just had

1195
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: popular in that big I'll tell you where else the

1196
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: big growth is is international. Our sales of apparel, you

1197
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: know they the watch attend listen metric. The numbers of

1198
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: females have gone up. So there's this epicenter of the kingdom,

1199
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: which is this basically five hundred mile north to southeast

1200
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: to west. You run into the Broncos west and east.

1201
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: It's a battleground all the way to you get to Indianapolis.

1202
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: But it's now this tertiary market that is growing exponentially

1203
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: throughout the country who are just intrigued by mainly mahomes,

1204
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: but internationally it's become a deal. It's become a big deal.

1205
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: And sales of jerseys, and I mean, it's it's crazy

1206
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: to see how that young man has become in many

1207
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: ways one of these a few strong faces, maybe a

1208
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: mount rushmore current face of the NFL, even on an

1209
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: international scale. Amazing, well match, We look forward to seeing you.

1210
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: I know that you enjoyed coming to Texas and we've

1211
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: seen you here a bunch not just doing games, but

1212
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: for other events as well, and we really appreciate the visit.

1213
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: Look forward to seeing you in the booth on Sunday. Yeah,

1214
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: I love and I love the city. Um and yeah,

1215
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: we will have tons of fans there and it'll be

1216
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: it'll be great. But I do love coming there. And

1217
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that to just accommodate your your audience.

1218
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: It's it's, uh, you look forward to that trip. As

1219
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, in the NFL, there's some trips you're going

1220
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: to U not Houston. And I got such fun memories.

1221
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,959
Speaker 1: I remember when Jamal Charles was inducted into the Port

1222
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: Arthur Hall of Fame. Yeah, and uh, we had several

1223
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: days in Houston, but um, I was kind of chopping

1224
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: it up with our running backs. And but I saw

1225
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: just in the triangle over there east of you guys

1226
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: and that Beaumont Port Arthur area, just how how big

1227
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: that area is for you guys too, So UM, I

1228
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: know it's I'm looking forward to. Quite honestly, you and

1229
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: I once did a Bear Bryan Award dinner and I

1230
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: don't know if I was m seeing it or you were.

1231
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: We both were something was happening there. But I remember

1232
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: sitting and having a nice dinner with you at the

1233
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: head table. Well, and mac Brown was he got like

1234
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: National Coach of the Year and it was like the

1235
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: Touchdown Club of Houston or something. I don't know, but

1236
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was awesome. And Estonians get it.

1237
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they're so passionate about their sports. And the

1238
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: Texans will be back. I see pieces and I like

1239
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing when I studied do the deep dive

1240
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: into your team this week and quite frankly, it reminded

1241
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: me of where we were ten years ago this month,

1242
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: which it was just it was much more bleak than

1243
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: you guys because we had off the field issues. It

1244
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: was just a bad environment. So you'll be back. But

1245
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: I also see how you Estonians react to not just

1246
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: professional sports, for college sports. And I love Texas sports.

1247
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: I love Texas high school football and my son coached

1248
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: in Belton for years. I still get his hel He

1249
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: knows what to get me for my birthday every year,

1250
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: which is in the summertime. He gets me the Dave

1251
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: Campbell High School football yearbook. So if I need to

1252
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: check out psy Fair or Fort Bend or you know,

1253
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: the Texas City Stinger, ease I'll be checking it out.

1254
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: But I love that area. I love their passion for sports,

1255
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: So yes, I have a great appreciation for your area.

1256
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: The Mitch Holts just drop a Texas City stinger ease.

1257
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: That's nice, very well done tip of a cab. Mitch

1258
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: really really appreciate that, and we really appreciate guys making place.

1259
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: And the guy who may plays on Sunday was a

1260
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: Mari Rodgers. Mary Rogers will step in to the Deep

1261
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: Slant hot seat. Next is Deep Slant Interview of the

1262
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: Week with a Mari Rodgers and Dpcity right here on

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Speaker 1: Texas All Access. It's time for this week's Stats Challenge,

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Speaker 1: good friends at s LB would really like this number.

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Speaker 1: That is point six four point six. Now, going into

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys game, Tony Pollard was averaging six point four

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Speaker 1: yards a touch, but on Sunday the Texas held him

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Speaker 1: to a full two yards under his touch yardage average

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Speaker 1: and he got a few early but after he got

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Speaker 1: a few early on that first drive. He didn't get

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Speaker 1: much more for the rest of the game. But two

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Speaker 1: yards difference per touch for Tony Pollard last week against

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. That is a pretty good number. And that

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Speaker 1: is the stats challenge brought to you by s l B.

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Speaker 1: Now here's another number for the SLB stats Challenge. That's four.

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Speaker 1: Mary Rodgers had four catches on Sunday against the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: one of them a tremendous touchdown, two of them just

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Speaker 1: snatched football out of the air for first down. He

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Speaker 1: was outstanding. He's outstanding. In an interview with Deep Sitting

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Speaker 1: its Deep Time with a Marie Rogers, deepe take it away.

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Speaker 1: It's a deep Slant one one presented by Vixfinity. My

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Speaker 1: guests this week Wide receiver Amari Rodgers. Amari, I think

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Speaker 1: the most unlikely thing that I tweeted during Sunday's game

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Speaker 1: was that Jeff Driscol through a touchdown pass to Maray Rogers.

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Speaker 1: Your first reception as a Texan and it's a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how how was that? It was amazing? Just

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Speaker 1: being ready, man, Honestly, the place where the play wasn't

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Speaker 1: supposed to come to me. You know just now, I

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Speaker 1: was just doing my job and clearing out the safety

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Speaker 1: and you know, Jeff Saw did a good job and

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Speaker 1: realizing that the safeties back was turned, so you know,

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Speaker 1: he couldn't really see the balls. So you just put

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Speaker 1: it up and he just gave me a chance. And

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Speaker 1: you know that hats off the Harem for just trusting

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Speaker 1: me and having that faith in me to be able

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Speaker 1: to make that play for him. All right, So when

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Speaker 1: he improvises and it's now you at what point do

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Speaker 1: you realize the ball is coming my way? When I

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Speaker 1: look back. When I looked back, I saw the ball

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Speaker 1: in the air. I was like, oh snap. I had

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Speaker 1: to react real quick, and you saw he reacted. Kind

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Speaker 1: of funny too, because it's kind of like we both

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Speaker 1: wasn't expecting the ball to come. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: just happened to react faster and you know, put my

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Speaker 1: hands up and make the play. So it was his

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Speaker 1: first touchdown pass as a quarterback for the Texas, your

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Speaker 1: first catch as a Texan. Who got to keep the ball?

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Speaker 1: I caught it, I got to keep it. That's actually

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Speaker 1: your first NFL touchdown, right, your first b okay, So

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Speaker 1: you got to keep the ball where is it now?

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Speaker 1: I was getting painted, so I wanted I want to

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Speaker 1: paint it, you know, just so I can put it

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Speaker 1: in my room or something so I can look at

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Speaker 1: and be able to know, you know, where it came

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Speaker 1: from every time. So okay, well you I mean you

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Speaker 1: started obviously, you started your career with Green Bay, played

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Speaker 1: the first ten games of the season there, the team

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Speaker 1: that actually traded up and drafted you, then cuts you,

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Speaker 1: and the Texans scoop you up off waivers right away.

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Speaker 1: So what was that journey like for you? I imagine

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Speaker 1: that's not where you thought this season would go for you.

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Speaker 1: Definitely definitely not. It wasn't It sucked, But you know,

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Speaker 1: I was just appreciative as the opportunity, you know, just

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Speaker 1: coming in here. You know, they were the first team

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Speaker 1: on waivers to claim me, so obviously that that let

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Speaker 1: myself know that, you know, the teams want me, you know,

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Speaker 1: they see the talent in me, they see the potential.

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Speaker 1: So I was just grateful for into the opportunity, a

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Speaker 1: fresh start to come in, you know, earn own the

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Speaker 1: trust of the coaching staff and the quarterbacks and just

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Speaker 1: my teammates all in all, just coming in with that

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Speaker 1: flesh state. I feel like it's kind of like being

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Speaker 1: a fre all over again. So you know, I just

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Speaker 1: took it all in, man, just came in with my

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Speaker 1: head down, just grinded, learn to play book. And then

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Speaker 1: when I got the opportunity, you know, I was ready

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Speaker 1: to play. All right, So you get here, but it

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Speaker 1: seemed like it took a while for you to get

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Speaker 1: on the field. You were inactive for the first two games,

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Speaker 1: and then there's a game that you played against Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: but you didn't really have any targets right mentally, what's

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Speaker 1: going on in your mind when when that's happening, Because

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Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of us thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: Amari Rodgers is here, He's going to be part of

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Speaker 1: the wide receiving corps. But the process is a little

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Speaker 1: bit slower than that. Is it frustrating for you? Is

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Speaker 1: it a test in patience? You know what's kind of

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Speaker 1: going through your mind? I think there's this test of patience,

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Speaker 1: um and just knowing that you know, you gotta learn

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Speaker 1: to playbook. You can't just come in and just get

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Speaker 1: thrown out there because you look stupid and not know

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Speaker 1: what to do. So, you know, that was just one

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Speaker 1: of those things I knew coming in that you know,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna take some time to learn to play a book,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, just earning the trust of their

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Speaker 1: coaches so they're they're able to trust that I can

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Speaker 1: go out there and make the plays and be able

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Speaker 1: to be where I need to be. So I knew

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Speaker 1: it was gonna take some time, you know, and acted

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Speaker 1: the first two weeks just being getting the field of

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Speaker 1: the home atmosphere, you know, the first home games Commanders,

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Speaker 1: and then in the way atmosphere versus Miami is getting

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Speaker 1: to feel of both, to see how the team moves,

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Speaker 1: how to coaches move, the meetings and away games and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. And then you know, when I was active,

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Speaker 1: you know I was ready to go and not just

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Speaker 1: fed right in. All right, So your number finally gets

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Speaker 1: called when both Brandon Cooks and Nico Collins go down

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Speaker 1: with injury and you step up. But you've got two

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Speaker 1: different quarterbacks throwing to you. So how do you develop

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Speaker 1: that chemistry, because I think it'd be hard as a receiver,

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Speaker 1: developed that chemistry in a normal week when you've had

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Speaker 1: training camp in the off season, you had neither of those,

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Speaker 1: but you were catching passes from both Davis Mills and

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Speaker 1: Jeff to a school in the game. Sure, I think

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Speaker 1: it's just practice, rests man, just going in practice and

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Speaker 1: just being able to connect to seven or seven, you know,

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Speaker 1: just rva, you know, just having a time and down

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Speaker 1: just so that in the game you know that they're

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Speaker 1: able to trust that you're going to be in the

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Speaker 1: right place at the right time. And it's just as

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Speaker 1: a receiver, honestly, as a receiver or monster should always be.

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Speaker 1: It shouldn't matter what the quarterback is. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: going to get open and if the balls in your

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Speaker 1: in your area, your job you have to catch it exactly.

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Speaker 1: So that's really my mindset. Doesn't matter who's out there.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just trying to do my job. You know,

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Speaker 1: get open for the quarterback and you know, if there's

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Speaker 1: a run play, you know block for the running back.

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Speaker 1: So what is your skill set as a wide receiver?

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Speaker 1: Like if you had to describe your skill set, what

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Speaker 1: do you bring to this offense? I think I can

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Speaker 1: do a lot of things. You know, I'm jet sweep guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm in the slot. You know, jittery guy,

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Speaker 1: can run routes on linebackers and safeties and Nichols. I

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Speaker 1: can play out wide too with the Z position, and

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Speaker 1: you can put me in the backfield as well. You know,

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Speaker 1: I have background. I played running back my whole life

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Speaker 1: into it might need you too. At this point the season,

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Speaker 1: the injuries are piling up. Yeah, man, it sucks, but

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Speaker 1: yeah I have background in the backfield too, So I

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Speaker 1: honestly thing I can do at all. You know, I

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Speaker 1: just like getting the balls in my hands and just

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Speaker 1: help my team win. I'm just getting the ball in

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Speaker 1: space and just you know, getting active. So all right,

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Speaker 1: so when you look up your name, I think one

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Speaker 1: of the first things that pops up is your dad.

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Speaker 1: You have a very famous dad, T Martin. I remember

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Speaker 1: him playing for Tennessee, led them do a FEWSTA Bowl championship.

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Speaker 1: They went thirteen to OZ in nineteen ninety eight. Now

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Speaker 1: he's a wide receivers coach for the Baltimore Ravens. All Right,

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Speaker 1: So growing up with a famous dad like that, did

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Speaker 1: he push you to be a quarterback? Nah? He didn't.

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Speaker 1: Actually he was, like I said, I played running back,

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Speaker 1: So when I started playing running back, he just saw

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Speaker 1: I was good at it. So he's just like, whatever,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want. To play something, just play it. But

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Speaker 1: then he's actually the reason I switched the receiver as well,

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Speaker 1: because I was playing running back. He was that Southern

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Speaker 1: colth receivers coach and I went out there for their

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Speaker 1: camp um and he and I want to be coached

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Speaker 1: by him, but I was playing. I was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna play receiver just to see what it's like,

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Speaker 1: just because I want to be coached by my dad.

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Speaker 1: And I did very well and they offered me that camp.

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Speaker 1: And that's really why I changed your receivers because of

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Speaker 1: that camp. Just being able to play under my dad

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Speaker 1: and taking coaches from him and just making plays in

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Speaker 1: that camp. So that's really why I changed your receiver too.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of kids either want to be

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Speaker 1: coached by their dad or they definitely don't want to

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Speaker 1: be coached by your dad. But you actually liked you

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Speaker 1: took the coaching. Well, what what what is it about

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Speaker 1: being coached by your dad that you really enjoyed? Oh,

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Speaker 1: you just know he wants the best for me. You know,

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Speaker 1: any parent wants the best for her son or that child.

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Speaker 1: So you just take it all in and just know

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Speaker 1: that anything he says, it's because he wants to see

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Speaker 1: me do well. So that's what I love the most

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Speaker 1: about it. He's not going to shoot a coat anything.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be straight up with me and just

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Speaker 1: let me know, you know what it is, um, And

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Speaker 1: that's that's something that I love. You know, I love

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Speaker 1: even as a real coach, a coach that's not my father,

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Speaker 1: just a coach that's able to be real with you,

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Speaker 1: transparent and you know, let you know what you need

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Speaker 1: to work on when it's need to be worked on.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he's that type of dad, and he's

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Speaker 1: that type of coach too, so you gotta love it.

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Speaker 1: Does he watch your film now? Like? Did he watch

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Speaker 1: the touchdown catch? Like? What does he think about you?

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Speaker 1: Does he give you little little notes? Is he nag?

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Speaker 1: He's busy, but you're still a son. Not right after

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Speaker 1: every game, you know, he has access to all the

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Speaker 1: NFL film, so he watched He watched the game on

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Speaker 1: his iPad, and then he has sent me some text

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Speaker 1: messages just to you know, some things I can clean

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Speaker 1: up and stuff like that. So I'm always looking out

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Speaker 1: for that, you know, And even in the game, you know,

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Speaker 1: if I'm a mess up, I'm like, dang, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, but now it's just a good relationship,

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Speaker 1: you know. I'm definitely thankful for it and just being

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Speaker 1: able to have that that relationship with my dad and

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Speaker 1: so he can still coach me up even though he's

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Speaker 1: not my my real coach. Your dad was also back

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Speaker 1: up to Peyton Manning for the first two years, So

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Speaker 1: did he have some good Peyton Manning stories growing up?

1472
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: He hasn't told me any, really, he hasn't told me.

1473
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: I haven't really asked. You must have such a close

1474
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: relationship with God. Yeah, definitely that they definitely have a

1475
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: good relationship, but not that's a good question though. I

1476
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: haven't asked about any stories really, Okay, I'd be very

1477
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: curious because I'm sure he's got a ten. All right,

1478
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: what about you for fans that want to get to

1479
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: know a little bit more about you? You know, what

1480
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,839
Speaker 1: do you do in your free time? What are your hobbies?

1481
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: Free time? Hobbies? I'm a big movie head, so I

1482
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: go every off day. I go to the movies boy

1483
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: myself or with my girlfriend, my family. We go to

1484
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: movies once a week. Whatever movies coming out, I'm going

1485
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: to see it. What's the last movie you saw that

1486
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: you'd recommend. The last movie I saw that I recommend

1487
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: was Black Panther. Okay, Black Panther, the new one. Yeah, wow,

1488
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: you really are on top of the new Black Panther.

1489
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: The first Day came out, not Friday. I saw a

1490
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: Thursday night and saw it. All right, So what about

1491
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: TV shows? TV shows? It's a lot of good American vandal,

1492
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: even though it's old. I just watched it and I

1493
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: liked it a lot. I haven't seen that one. You

1494
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: should check it out. It's very funny as humorous. Okay,

1495
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: so you're a big TV movie I can appreciate that

1496
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: holidays are coming up to have a famous favorite holiday movie,

1497
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: favorite holiday shoot. Good. I don't know if there's any

1498
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 1: new home alone Okay, classic, he goes with the classics.

1499
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: You know now that you're here in Texas, it's obviously

1500
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: very different from Green Bay. Have you been able to

1501
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: check out the city or the town at all a

1502
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: little bit, But I'm waiting to the off season kinda Yeah,

1503
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay a couple of months after the season ends,

1504
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: just so I can get a field for the CD

1505
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: and just moving around and be able to do stuff

1506
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: with my family. But a little bit. I've been able

1507
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: to move around just on the interstate, just looking around.

1508
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: It is way different than things. There's no snow right now,

1509
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 1: so it's sixty is is like a summer day. So

1510
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: it's perfect. Man. I love the city, I love you

1511
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: know the people here, and you know, hopefully I can

1512
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: be here for a while. All right, Well, it was

1513
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: a pleasure getting to know you, Mari. Best of luck

1514
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. Thank you, good dude,

1515
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: good player. Good DNA's the son of t Martin, who

1516
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: played quarterback at the University of Tennessee. So hopefully we're

1517
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: going to see more from Amari Rogers the rest of

1518
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: this year. Unfortunately, one person we will not see is

1519
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: Mike Leach and that is one of the saddest things

1520
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: that I could possibly have even thought about saying. You

1521
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: told me that a week ago out and said, come on, man,

1522
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: that guy has got a long life to live and

1523
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna need him. Well, Unfortunately he passed. Drew Dougherty

1524
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with him in Lubbock when

1525
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: he was the coach at Texas Tech and Drew was

1526
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: working with the TV station there. We'll talk and share

1527
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: some Mike Leach stories going in the Lab. Next right

1528
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: here on Texas All Access, we're going to find a

1529
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: segment of this edition of Texas All Access from Monday,

1530
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: Texans Radio Studio. I am John Harris football and a

1531
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: sideline reporter. I'm also one half of the In the

1532
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: Lab podcast crew, and typically Drew and I will sit

1533
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: down before we do the podcast, we'll talk about, Okay,

1534
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna have these things, these things, these things. All

1535
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Drew hit the button, started talking, and

1536
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,560
Speaker 1: I knew exactly where we were gonna go with this

1537
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: week's episode, because unfortunately we lost one of the greats,

1538
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: one of the absolute greats at the MIC as a coach,

1539
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: human being, Mike Leech. Drew worked in Lubbick when Mike

1540
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: was a head coach at Texas Tech, and he's got many,

1541
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: many stories, but he starts off with one of the

1542
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: best ones here on in the Lab. I don't know

1543
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: that I'd be sitting in this chair where not for

1544
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: Mike Leach, being around him and seeing him on a

1545
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: daily basis, I got better as an interviewer, better as

1546
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: I think a media person. And then he was one

1547
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: of my three references for this job and he said

1548
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: some very nice things for me. My first boss here

1549
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: with the Texans, a guy, good friend Nick Shank at

1550
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: the interview with him in early August of OZ nine

1551
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: and as I was finishing, it went well, and as

1552
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: it was finishing, Nick said, Hey, Mike Leach is your

1553
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: third reference? Is this real? I was like, really, yeah?

1554
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: And I just said give him a call. And I didn't.

1555
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know exactly what Leech would say, but you know,

1556
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: he had said, hey, if I can help you, just

1557
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: letting me know. So I literally took him up on it,

1558
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: and Shank later that afternoon called him at three twenty

1559
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: seven pm. It's August, so Tech, every other college football team,

1560
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: every other NFL team, high school team, they're going through

1561
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: two days or they're going through practices, their their fall camp,

1562
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: and you're trying to get a job. I'm just trying

1563
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: to get a job, man. I'd been out of work

1564
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: for about five six days, so that was it was

1565
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: still fresh, but it was you know, you're looking for stuff, Sure,

1566
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 1: he says. Leech picked up at three twenty seven, explained

1567
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: who he was, and Leach said, yeah, Pat bay to talk,

1568
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: but I gotta go to practice in three minutes, so

1569
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: we gotta make it quick. Well, three fifty two comes

1570
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: and Nick says, uh, coach, I think I've got enough.

1571
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. And Leech said, yeah, okay, thanks

1572
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: a lot by and just hung up. But he said

1573
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: some nice things on my behalf. And you know I

1574
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: sent him a thank you letter obviously. Yeah. I saw

1575
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: him through the years, saw him in Mobile one time

1576
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl between he was in between jobs.

1577
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: I saw him at the draft last spring, but when

1578
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: they played here, when Washington State played here, so he's

1579
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: been at Missispis years, but he was at Washington State

1580
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: before that. They played you of h to start the

1581
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season, correct, yea. And our good buddy Brian Peden,

1582
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: who works up in sales. He always rides with one

1583
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: of the coaches from the hotel to the game in

1584
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: case the coach has a question about Houston, about the stadium,

1585
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: anything Srian can kind of help Mountain. Brian's a good,

1586
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: strong Red Raider, so he rode with Leach. And when

1587
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: I found that out, I said, Brian, I'm gonna give

1588
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: you a letter. Can you please give it to Leach?

1589
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: He said sure, no problem. So I wrote a thank

1590
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: you letter, kind of updating coach because I didn't talk

1591
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: to him all the time, but just say, hey, man,

1592
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: you know I've got four kids, I'm married now five kids,

1593
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm married, great life, got a dream job. You really

1594
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: helped me out with that, and I just want you

1595
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: to know how preshative I am. Yeah. So I saw

1596
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: him at the game as they were walking in. I

1597
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: shook his hand. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, goodness, see you.

1598
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: And that was a Saturday. Sunday comes and it's Texans Jaguars.

1599
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: His old quarterback Gardner Minshew darn Near led the Jaguars

1600
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: to a little bit of an upset win. And then Monday,

1601
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm standing next to you in your office. We're talking

1602
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: about three thirty in the afternoon, funny enough, and my

1603
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: phone buzzes and I look at it and you're in

1604
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: the middle of some story and I just show you

1605
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,560
Speaker 1: who it is, and you just start laughing, and I

1606
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: picked up. Yeah, I went next to I talked to

1607
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: a Leech for just about an hour. It was awesome.

1608
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: It was a good, like good conversation. So needless to say,

1609
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: I have six zillion Mike Leach stories and I know

1610
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: you do too. You interviewed him over the years. Job, Yeah,

1611
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: we interviewed him over the years. The first year that

1612
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: we had a chance to interview him was the magical

1613
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: year of two thousand and eight. You know, for Texas

1614
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: Tech fans that go back that far, two thousand and

1615
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: eight was a magical, magical year. I mean, you know,

1616
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: Harold A Crabtree to beat Texas was I mean, it's

1617
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: a memory that that Texas Tech fans are going to

1618
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: have for eons. And Leech was the architect of all

1619
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 1: of that, and it was. It was such a great

1620
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: year obviously minus one trip to Norman. So we had

1621
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: an opportunity with the Bear Bryan Awards to be able

1622
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: to interview Mike that that was a rock star year

1623
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: because we got all three coaches from the Big twelve,

1624
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: Bob Stoops, Mac Brown, and we got Mike Leach. And

1625
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: so because they finished that year that regular season, they

1626
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: finished in a three way time, right, finished the three

1627
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,560
Speaker 1: way of time and they all beat each other and

1628
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: so it ended up that Oklahoma got no. Yeah, Oklahoma

1629
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: ended up I guess because they're raining this they were

1630
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: the highest ranked team. I guess they won to They

1631
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: won the South and I can't remember who they beat

1632
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: in the North, but then they went on to play

1633
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: for a national championship. Um, I guess University Florida Tim

1634
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: tebow team they were not going to beat, but just

1635
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: one little interruption there. So because of that three way tie, Leech,

1636
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: you know, the day after that that came out that

1637
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: they're all tied, Leech said, well, I've got an easy

1638
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: tie breaker. Why don't we if we're such such a

1639
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: big proponent of beings, you know, support of student athletes,

1640
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: why don't we just go by the highest team GPA. Well,

1641
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: we have the highest team GPA go back. So we

1642
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: get to the event, and it was also Barry Switzer

1643
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: Lifetime Achievement Award nights, so Stoops was there, and so

1644
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: we had all these great guests. We actually that was

1645
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: the first night that we met Jim Ross and so

1646
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: that started a friendship between Jim Ross and Seanie and I.

1647
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: And so we interview all these coaches and so the

1648
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: one thing we really were excited about interviewing was Mike Leach.

1649
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: And we had seen an interview that you did. We

1650
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: didn't know you at the time, but we see we

1651
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: saw an interview that you did and we just recackled

1652
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: at it. We loved it. I mean that was kind

1653
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: of our show. I mean we were always kind of

1654
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: looking for the yeah and the dating advice, and we

1655
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: had we had a fuel day. We probably got two

1656
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: segments out of that. And at the time I didn't

1657
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: realize it was you. Until I met you. I'm like, oh,

1658
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 1: my god, that was you. Anyways, So he sits down,

1659
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: and he was the type of guy that he was.

1660
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: It was a little bit intimidating because he was so

1661
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: forthcoming with his time. But yet when you would first

1662
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: kind of meet him, you're like, oh, does he really

1663
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: want to be here? And he sat down. It could

1664
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: not have been more awesome. I mean, he was just

1665
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: he had a tie on, and I'm telling you, the

1666
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: tie went halfway down his chest. Yeah, it didn't go

1667
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: like a normal tie does down to your belt. It

1668
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: went like halfway done his chest. And I'll never forget

1669
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: seeing that. And I just cackled and and I said

1670
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: to him, you know, coach, I know, I know a

1671
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: good friend of yours, a guy you coached with for

1672
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: a long time about Austin State. He's a good friend

1673
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: of mine. Brady Ackerman. Oh, how's good old Brady doing.

1674
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you can do it better than me. How's

1675
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: Brady doing? Well? You know, he's in Florida, And I

1676
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: said he got into you know, media, and yeah, yeah,

1677
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 1: he's And he just kind of went on for five

1678
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: minutes or so about Brady and and I just and

1679
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: that was really kind of my first introduction to him

1680
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: because when I was in Jacksonville, my third year I

1681
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: was in Jacksonville, I moved over to the school called

1682
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: Bishop Kenny for a year and they had just hired

1683
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 1: I got named Brady Ackerman. And Brady had been at

1684
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: the State that's where he had come from. And that

1685
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: coaching staff was how mummy it's a head coach as

1686
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: the head coach, and he eventually would go to Kentucky.

1687
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: The Ovids coordinator was Mike Leach. The Ovids and line

1688
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: coach was Guy Morris, who had played in the league

1689
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: and then was head coach ed Baylor in Kentucky. The

1690
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: wider series coach is a guy named Dana Holgerson, Yeah,

1691
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 1: who ended up being pretty good. And the running backs

1692
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: coach and recruit re coordinator was my buddy, Brady Ackerman.

1693
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: And that was at a Division two school. About us

1694
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: a state and they put in the air raid there

1695
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: and they threw it around. And the irony was they

1696
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: had a running back that also ran for a thousand

1697
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: yards and my buddy Brady, I was talking about that. Yeah,

1698
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: we run an a ray, but we ran for a

1699
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: thousand yards too. So Brady was He was awesome. He's

1700
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: a great friend of mine, and he's coached at different places,

1701
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: and he's the media. He was a Florida Gator sideline

1702
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 1: reporter for a while, so he had a successful career.

1703
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: But I used to always say, hey, man, these guys

1704
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: did well, what did you do? I was messling with that,

1705
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: and so so Leech was always poking at He was

1706
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: always kind of poke too. But I just loved the

1707
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: fact with coach Leech that I don't know that you know,

1708
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,560
Speaker 1: all coaches kind of come out of, you know, the

1709
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: cookie cutter coach factory. But I do know he didn't

1710
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: come out of any normal factory. And he was a

1711
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: rugby player at BYU. He didn't play football. He learned

1712
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: the game, and he was always one of those guys

1713
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: that you know when you hear people say, oh, he

1714
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: didn't play the game, he didn't know anything. I'm like

1715
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 1: that guy seems to know a whole hell of a

1716
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: lot about football and everything else. It's funny, say, you know,

1717
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: most coaches come from are not coaches come from like

1718
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: a cookie cutter factor, And there are many cookie cutters

1719
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: will leech parachuted in from the Kiwi fat you know

1720
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: he was from. He was totally different. Yeah right, and

1721
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: for him too, he was I don't know. I never

1722
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to him about did he

1723
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: ever feel insecure about the fact that he didn't play

1724
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: the game and now he's coaching the game. He never

1725
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: struck me that way. He struck me as a guy

1726
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: that did what he did, and they did that air raid.

1727
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: Yet they would make subtle adjustments, they would make changes.

1728
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: You know. There's one year a Texas Tech I remember

1729
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: seeing him. They had these massive, massive splits in their

1730
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: offensive line, as split as the distance between one offensive

1731
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: lineman to the next, and so you can have narrow splits,

1732
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: you know why these guys were extra three times as

1733
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: wide splits. And then a couple years later you'd see

1734
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: them narrow the splits down and they were doing some

1735
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: some different stuff. He was always unique. But the one

1736
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: thing and as a you know, a former play caller.

1737
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: I always always I'm curious how coaches where are their plays?

1738
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: Do they they have them on a you know this

1739
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: big you know, Gary Kubiak, I have menu card? Do

1740
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 1: they put them on a like? I put mine on

1741
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: a Manila folder? So I felt like that was good enough,

1742
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: just front back. I got a point where I cut

1743
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 1: it down. I used to have both sides, like all

1744
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: four sides of the folder film, like I can't they

1745
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: can't do that. Mike Leach would have that little piece

1746
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: of paper. It was like like a notepads, like a

1747
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: notepads like not even it was like a long yeah

1748
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: if that and you could just see him writing those

1749
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: notes on that piece of play. He had about nine plays.

1750
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: They'd go into a game with essentially nine plays. Now

1751
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: they'd run them out of you know, X number of formation.

1752
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: So really it was it was like, you know, three

1753
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 1: thousand plays, but essentially it was nine plays and it

1754
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: was just on a piece of paper. And he didn't

1755
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: have a playbook. He did not have a playbook because

1756
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: his theory was if you give him a playbook, it's

1757
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: just something that they won't look at and they'll forget.

1758
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,839
Speaker 1: So he kept it very very simple in that regard,

1759
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: and you know, you talk about how he didn't play

1760
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: the game, and he was fueled and powered by an

1761
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: inquisitiveness that I think all coaches sort of respected. Because

1762
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: he would go to Green Bay, Wisconsin when he was

1763
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 1: at Iowa Wesleyan and asked to sit in on whoever

1764
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: the head coach was back then. I don't like, maybe

1765
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: it was Homegren, it might have been something else. I

1766
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 1: can't remember when exactly that lines up when he was,

1767
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: but he'd go up there and he just wanted to

1768
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: want to hang around. He went to Finland and coached

1769
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: in Finland because he just wanted the opportunity to coach.

1770
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 1: You know, this time passes a lot of these younger

1771
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: folks don't know as much about him. He's got a

1772
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: law degree from he had a lot from Pepperdine, and

1773
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,560
Speaker 1: he just didn't want to be a lawyer. So he

1774
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 1: was just such a fascinating, fascinating guy. He's an eagle scout.

1775
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 1: I remember going one morning when I was in Lubbock

1776
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 1: in the summertime. There was a breakfast for a bunch

1777
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: of kids who had just got an eagle scout, and

1778
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 1: he was in there with about thirty people the Eagle

1779
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: Scouts and their dads, and he was talking about his

1780
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: days growing up in the Northwest. His dad was a

1781
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: I think a forest stranger. They lived in Cody, Wyoming,

1782
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: they lived in some other spots near Reno, and just

1783
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 1: telling funny stories about growing up, having a tent with

1784
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: his dog that used to pee on the tent and yeah,

1785
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: he was great. And I remember one of the first

1786
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: times I interviewed him, he was after a game and

1787
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: he looks down at my shoes and back in like

1788
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 1: the mid Oughts. You don't think that, does Steve Madden

1789
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 1: shoes sort of looked like bowling shoes that were dressed up,

1790
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: and you can kind of wear him, Yeah, you kind

1791
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: of wear him to something semi dressing. You can kind

1792
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: of wear him casually. And he looks down. He's he's

1793
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: just with disdain and he goes, you know, you're not

1794
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: really fooling anybody with that. You're trying to be sporty,

1795
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: you're trying to be casual, but you're actually being neither.

1796
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: And so that was on a Saturday night, and then

1797
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: on Monday, one of the equipment guys kind of called

1798
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: me over, was like, hey, coach, wanted you to have

1799
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: these and it was just some like new balanced running shoes.

1800
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 1: Guy was an absolute JEM. Mike Leech rip big thanks

1801
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 1: to Drew Dpmari Rodgers, to Mark, to Nick Casserio, Mitch Holt.

1802
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: This to all you for listen. We'll see you next

1803
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: time and it's always go Texans