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Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. This is Josh Clark. I'm with you. Alongside

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Speaker 1: me is Charles W. Chuck Bryant. We're about to take

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Speaker 1: this joint thirty three thousand feet into the air. But

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Speaker 1: it pushed some tin. Yeah, that's the lingo it is.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, I saw that movie. I assume that's the lingo.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise they probably would not have titled it be sleep.

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Speaker 1: You could also they could be about like a car

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Speaker 1: driving movie too, somebody who has like a pretty good

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Speaker 1: radio flyer wagon. There's a lot of things that they

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Speaker 1: could apply for a recycling movie. Yeah, yes, we're speaking

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Speaker 1: of the Mike Newell like with Billy Bob Thornton Man

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Speaker 1: one John Cusack Cusack. Yeah, that's where John Cusack can

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Speaker 1: Um Angelina Joelie met and ended up getting married. You

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Speaker 1: mean Billy buck Port. No, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: didn't think it was very good. Are you kidding? Did

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Speaker 1: you like it? All? Right? All right, I have to

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Speaker 1: admit that movies that I thought were awesome in the

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Speaker 1: late nineties. When I go back and watch him now,

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Speaker 1: I'm usually like, not as great. Yeah, there's very few

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Speaker 1: It wasn't Pushington, though, I don't know. I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: it for a while. Well, in the movie, they were

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Speaker 1: air traffic controllers. Yes, and um, that's what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about today. So that's how Pushington relates to this one.

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Speaker 1: I thought I cleared that up in case people were like,

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Speaker 1: what are they talking about again? That you got any

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Speaker 1: other good air traffic control movies? Well, Airplane, Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: Classic Lloyd Bridges. Looks like I picked the wrong week

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Speaker 1: and stuff difflue. Yeah. Other than that, I have nothing.

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Speaker 1: Oh what about all the real airport movies? Oh? Sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Airport seventy Airport see the Grunge Years. Um, speaking of

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Speaker 1: the Grudge Years, I've recently gotten into David Foster Wallace

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Speaker 1: and I am genuinely sad that he killed himself. He

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Speaker 1: Like from what he's shared and his writing he was

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. Well, I think a late um acknowledgement of

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Speaker 1: So welcome upboard that train, Thanks Chuck. Yes, have you

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Speaker 1: ever been to Reagan National Airport? I know you have

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Speaker 1: because I've been there with you, my friend. The sickest

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, stomach flu people actually get green, I

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Speaker 1: learned from looking at you. And hats off to me

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Speaker 1: for pitching a television show to Science Channel in between

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Speaker 1: vomiting Bob Inning episodes. That was rough. You had a

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Speaker 1: thanks for the time. Yeah, it was something. So that

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Speaker 1: was a bad flight home. Yes, well it could have

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Speaker 1: been even worse because had we been flying at night

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Speaker 1: UM about a year ago, last March, sometime between midnight

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Speaker 1: I mean he was out drunk. Because that happened in Colorado,

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Speaker 1: about air traffic controllers the end, Josh, there are approximately

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Speaker 1: So we should probably start talking about air traffic controllers. Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: as long as your flight will. Now, well, we'll go

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Speaker 1: through it all right. Let's start out with air space.

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Speaker 1: There twenty one zones in United States airspace or centers.

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Speaker 1: Each of those zones is divided into sectors, and within

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Speaker 1: But let's not, okay. Division one Air Traffic Control System

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Speaker 1: different airports, many many planes, and uh they also are

422
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Speaker 1: the ones maintaining good safe distances. It's very important. That's

423
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Speaker 1: pretty much, um because of the increasing congestion and air

424
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: traffic over the last like forty years. UM, that's like

425
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: job one of any air traffic controller is you have

426
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: so many planes, basically you want to keep them evenly

427
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: spaced following these prescribed corridors. And um, if you can

428
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Speaker 1: do that, then you can do this safely. That's right.

429
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Speaker 1: So what do you what do we have? Where are

430
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Speaker 1: we on route yet? Are we? Uh? Yeah? Once you

431
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Speaker 1: leave the track on air space which is the fifty miles,

432
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Speaker 1: and they pass you off to the center controller which

433
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: is a RTCC, and um, we're expanding out again, expanding out.

434
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Speaker 1: And it's important to note every time you get passed along,

435
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna pass along and updated progress slip that says, yeah,

436
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: we thought they were going to be actually about fifty

437
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: miles further west, but because of bad weather or whatever,

438
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: we altered their flight path. And so here's what you

439
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: need to know, right or um they were they hit

440
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Speaker 1: some headwind, so they're a little further back. There's holl

441
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Speaker 1: And butt through the year. Yeah, but you're my favorite flights.

442
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Speaker 1: And so these guys in the UM, the radar associate

443
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Speaker 1: controller and the radar controller at the error route traffic

444
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Speaker 1: control centers, the rural ones, the regional ones, they UM

445
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Speaker 1: are the ones who say, well, they're just tracking your

446
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: plane throughout its flight, but then they're also directing it

447
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: to say, UM, like there is some weather up ahead,

448
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Speaker 1: there's some turbulence, we advise you to increase your altitude UM.

449
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: And then as they pass through air traffic air out

450
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: traffic control center after air route traffic control center, UM,

451
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: your plane is just going to be passed off from

452
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Speaker 1: one controller to another. You go, Bobby, thanks, Jimmy. I

453
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Speaker 1: wonder what they say. I think that's what they say.

454
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's what It's probably a little more

455
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: technical than that. UM. And then there's also a radar

456
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Speaker 1: handoff controller and they assist the the two other controllers.

457
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Speaker 1: When there's a lot of heavy traffic, they'll they'll come

458
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Speaker 1: in and say, hey, let me let me lighten the

459
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Speaker 1: load here. But which is significant. So you've got three

460
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Speaker 1: controllers all working together. Two of them are assisting the

461
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Speaker 1: radar controller. You have the radar associate controller who alerts

462
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Speaker 1: the radar controller that they have new stuff. And then

463
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: the radar handoff controller is basically just looking over both

464
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: their shoulders, like, don't forget that one, right, that's a

465
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: big one. Yeah, I like that one that's red look

466
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: out that one's going right towards that one, right exactly. Yeah, Yeah,

467
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: let's hope that doesn't happen very often. Remember that was

468
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: well because they were all a flitter over Angelina and Jolie.

469
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: Oh is that what caused that? Yeah, they weren't paying

470
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: attention to their jobs, got you because they were concentrating

471
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Speaker 1: on that leg. It's like a bold Dirham. Emily was

472
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: just watching that today in her sick bed. Weird. It's

473
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: very weird. Good movie. All right, So this is all

474
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Speaker 1: going on until you're about a hundred and fifty miles

475
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: out um from your destination, and then the center controller

476
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: will jump on board and do what you were talking

477
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: about earlier and get everyone coming in in a nice

478
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Speaker 1: tidy little line for landing, like from ten miles out,

479
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: like when you were ten miles away from the airport. Okay,

480
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: they start to get them in line. So then you

481
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 1: haven't hit trackon airspace yet, have you know? That's the

482
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: next stop as you go back into someone else's tray

483
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: coon following these prescribed corridors, and these things are not

484
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: just like easy straight lines like they're really you know

485
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: how like when you fly up, you're like, what we're

486
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: going the wrong way and then your pilot banks hard

487
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: and then you go back. That's the corridor and you're going, Yeah,

488
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: they curve like that corridors to it's really neat um

489
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: and we should mention too. If there's something wrong and

490
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: it's too congested or your runway is uh is not

491
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: working like the lights are off like an airplane. Uh,

492
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: they will put you in the in the dreaded holding pattern,

493
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: which is not Hey, just fly around up there for

494
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: a while. It's specific to each airport. You know what

495
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: the holding pattern is and you stay there and I

496
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: think it's like a big circle or it doesn't vary

497
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: pretty much. All right. So now you were within fifty

498
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: miles trackon's got ahold of you again? Um. They are

499
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: advising the pilot on heading, speed, altitude. And then when

500
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: you were ten miles out, the approach controller passes you

501
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: back to the local controller and it's all just a

502
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: big glorious dance. And then you land and the local

503
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: controller says, hey, go out this way, and you do,

504
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: and the ground controller takes over and then you were

505
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: directed via the ground controller to your gate and that's it.

506
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: And then once you get to the gate, obviously you

507
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: have the men and women with the orange flashlights. They

508
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: are airline employees, not f A. I did not realize

509
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: that until I read this. Once I read it, I

510
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, they're all wearing like Delta air

511
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: train or something like that. All right, so I know

512
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Speaker 1: you want to be an air traffic controller, Josh, how

513
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: would you go about that? Well? I would go study

514
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: very hard school and earn a bachelor's degree for your degree,

515
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: which you don't need, or you could work somewhere for

516
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: three years. Yeah, it's actually one of the higher paying

517
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: jobs you can get without a college degree, they say. Um.

518
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: I would also probably focus on my UM spatial vision

519
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Speaker 1: spatial visualization UH skills, so I could visualize things in

520
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: three dimensions. Yeah, look on your concentration. I'm doing it

521
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: right now. Is that what you're doing? So? Uh? Like

522
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: we said, you were employed by the f a A

523
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Speaker 1: and you have to apply through the Federal Civil Civil

524
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Speaker 1: Service system pass the test. That is. I read an

525
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: article from a guy that was on Wall Street, very

526
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: strectial job being decided I'm gonna go be an air

527
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Speaker 1: traffic controller because I just dig this stuff, and he

528
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: said the test is timed and very very hard, So

529
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: they want to put the pressure on you. Oh it

530
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: should be and the clock is ticking three d uh

531
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: spatial visible visualization on the exam reasoning, abstract reasoning. It's

532
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: like it's tough stuff. So they say, all right, you

533
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: can be a trainee. You're gonna move to Oklahoma City

534
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: for seven months, and not many of you are going

535
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: to make it through training. We're gonna call the majority

536
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: of you to know that going in you might not

537
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: get through because they want the cream of the crop.

538
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: But then let's say you did, and then what happens.

539
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: Then you go, uh, you know, you walk up in

540
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: front of an airport with your resume, I'm here, kind

541
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: of start landing lights. Yeah, um, pretty much do you? Uh,

542
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: you start working and then uh, I guess to become

543
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: uh certain kinds of air traffic controllers, right, like I

544
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: think trade cons um or the air route traffic control centers,

545
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: the regional ones. Um. You have to be certified yeah

546
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: for each little different job. Yeah yeah. And then as

547
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: you get better and better, you move up and up,

548
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you realize, like you're

549
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: the president of the United States, Uh, you can make

550
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: the average starting pay twenty eight bucks an hour. Is

551
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: that right? Not bad? And so it's not a salaried Huh, well,

552
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: it gets to be salary at a certain point. I think,

553
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: um the average starting pay. Yeah, that's good money. Uh.

554
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: And controllers can earn um up to an over a

555
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: hundred thousand per year after just a few years. They say,

556
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: but you're gonna be working long shift duties. You can

557
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: be working on Christmas maybe working from midnight to eight am.

558
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's inten midnight to six it's intensely stressful. What

559
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: do you mean midnight, that's that's a shift. Oh I

560
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: thought they were eight hour shift. I think there's six

561
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: hour shifts. Oh. They cut that back then, which is good. Yeah,

562
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: because one of the things when they went on strike

563
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: they were lobbying for was reduced shift hours. Well what

564
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: happened when they all went on strike? Do you know

565
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: about this? Are you being quite I mean vaguely? Uh. Well,

566
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: they went on strike in August. Uh, and they wanted

567
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: better wages. They wanted a thirty two hour work week

568
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: because remember these are f A employees. Yeah, so they're

569
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: federal civil servants, which is a big problem because you're

570
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: not allowed to go on strike if you're a union,

571
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: federal union member. Yeah, so they violated the law. Ronald Reagan,

572
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: President Ronald Reagan ordered them back to work, said you

573
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: gotta go back to work right now. That was that.

574
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: I didn't even try to do Reagan. They should try

575
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: to get No dude, Nixon doing Reagan. No. H Only

576
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: thirte hundred of the thirteen thousand went back to work.

577
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: He says, you've got forty eight hours. And then, uh,

578
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: in forty eight hours, they did not come back to work.

579
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: And he says, you know what, all eleven thousand plus

580
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: of you are fired by me, the president. I'm firing

581
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: all of you. And he did, and they had to

582
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: cut the flights back to for a while. And uh.

583
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: They were also banned from any federal service for life,

584
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: but Clinton rescinded that. And then they say it took

585
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: a full decade to restore the program back to its

586
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: original staffing numbers. That's crazy. Although they got up and

587
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: running and you know, doing the best I can within

588
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: a few years. It seems a little rash, but think

589
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: what you want, striking man. No, I agree, but wow, yeah,

590
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: you're you're all fired. Uh, And I thought it was

591
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: always one of the top stressful jobs, but the list

592
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: of twelve doesn't have it in the top ten. Well,

593
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: let's hear that list. Do you wanna hear it? Number

594
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: ten cab driver, Wow, yeah, okay, don't go this way,

595
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: go that way. Don't take third, take fourth. What are

596
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: you doing, stupid cabby? Don't take credit cards. That's more

597
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: stressful than I don't know. Number nine photojournalists. I guess

598
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: in you know Ward one countries. Sure, yeah, we're on safari.

599
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: They're dangerous. To number eight CEO like big corporate exact,

600
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: Number seven pr executive double really yeah, who made this list?

601
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: It's the list. I don't know who makes it alright.

602
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: Um number six event coordinator like a wedding planners and

603
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's stressful. You gotta deal with those

604
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: crazy bridezillas. No, Jerry snicker to that. Um Number five

605
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: cop of course. Number four army general or military general.

606
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: This thing was put together by a six year old boy,

607
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: and I'll bet it was originally written in crane. Number three, cowboy,

608
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: you're number three. Number three is actually airline pilot. Number

609
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: two is firefighter. Number one is enlisted soldier. Yeah, so

610
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: there you have it. No air traffic control, which I

611
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: think is a bit tinky. I think that list is

612
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: hinky podcasters. Now we're on there. Sure, I'm so stressed.

613
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: All right now it's gotta be top fifteen. Um, you

614
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: got anything else? I don't. We already talked about the movies.

615
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: Uh mentioned the articles there. Yeah, I think we're good.

616
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: If you want to know more about air traffic control,

617
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: you can type that into the search bar house to

618
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: works dot com. You can also listen to the companion

619
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Speaker 1: piece to this episode how air Traffic Control Works at

620
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Speaker 1: tech Stuff. Their episode is called how Traffic Control Works.

621
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Speaker 1: Check it out? So they did one? See who did

622
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: it better? I'm sure they don't believe they did it? Okay, Um,

623
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Speaker 1: and I think in there somewhere I said search bar, handy,

624
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: search bar the like. So it's time for listener mail.

625
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Speaker 1: I know this because Chuck has it in his own hand. Yeah,

626
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this one. Um our listener read it

627
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Speaker 1: us out to Michael Moore? Did you see this? This

628
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Speaker 1: just scheme in? Oh? No, I remember in the Tipping

629
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Speaker 1: podcast we said Michael Moore reportedly was a bad to.

630
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Speaker 1: Some people wrote in and and verified there with their

631
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Speaker 1: own stories too, not about Michael Moore that is, oh really,

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Speaker 1: we'll tell me that first. I didn't see that one.

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Speaker 1: all right. Well I felt bad for a half a

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Speaker 1: second because um Ian of Brooklyn, New York tweeted Michael

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Speaker 1: tipper last week? Say it ain't so so he totally

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Speaker 1: add that to all the great fiction I've collected about myself.

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Speaker 1: is in the face of what we've been hearing. We

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Speaker 1: got to clear this up somehow, I know. And then

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Speaker 1: I felt bad because I didn't see those other emails,

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Speaker 1: and I said, hey, listen, dude, tell the tell Michael

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Speaker 1: this and that we'll clear it all up on the show.

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Speaker 1: But I guess we just didn't. We just muddied the

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Speaker 1: water even further. And Ian of Brooklyn said, can I

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Speaker 1: also hear Chuck and reenact his exasperated what? It's had

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Speaker 1: me cracking up all week? So there you have it?

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Speaker 1: What it was a pretty lame reenact? What's he looking for? Josh? Um? What? What? What?

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Speaker 1: What there? Okay, that's that's kind of yours to begin with.

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Speaker 1: most is la it's really good at what that guy? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's good. Um, so I guess that's it. Yeah, Michael

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Speaker 1: Moore good tipper or not? We shall never know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for a week and watch you tip. But don't try

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Speaker 1: to put on in a show for us. Okay, up

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