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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive to the Draft Podcast. Today we

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Speaker 1: got mock draft madness. We got Danny Kelly, Todd McShay field, Gates,

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Speaker 1: Nate Tys, Trevor Sikama, Mike Red.

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Speaker 2: What do they think we're going to do?

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Speaker 1: We break it all down for you that we got

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Speaker 1: the fastest forty what's the biggest lie about the draft process?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to debunk it for you. It all starts

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Drive to the Draft Podcast. I am

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Speaker 3: just a guy, Jason here with Logan Paulson, ten year

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Speaker 3: NFL veteran, a tight end for us here at Washington

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Speaker 3: for five years. And also it's very important. I really

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Speaker 3: So I just want everyone to do that. Also, check

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that.

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Speaker 3: Just get after it, get after it and but what

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Speaker 3: I want to say to start in this podcast off

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Speaker 3: logan is that we are a draft podcast. Obviously we're

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Speaker 3: Commanders focused, but hopefully all NFL fans can get something

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Speaker 3: out of this. We don't know who the Commanders are

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Speaker 3: going to draft, we have no insight on that, so

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Speaker 3: we're going to touch on a lot of guys. So

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Speaker 3: you could be a fan of literally any team and

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Speaker 3: get something out of this. Because we're a prospect heavy.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and I think that's one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I enjoy about this show specifically, is like we

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Speaker 1: are again Commander's focus, but we're going to get you

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Speaker 1: as much information about these prospects as we can and

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Speaker 1: give you all the film that we've watched on basis.

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Speaker 3: And we're fan friendly. Leave a comment like subscribe rate

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Speaker 3: that's good for us, but also leave a comment. We

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Speaker 3: will respond. We will even let you produce a show.

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Speaker 3: Tell us a player you want us to evaluate, or

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Speaker 3: want to learn more about, and we'll take that in

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Speaker 3: consideration to make sure we try and get it in. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So that being said, we're getting ready to go down

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Speaker 3: to the shrine that's coming up real soon, Logan, we'll

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Speaker 3: have episodes every day there at the practice. But before

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Speaker 3: we get there, let's do a little mock draft madness.

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Speaker 2: Dude, love that name. Great shot by you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the first time that's ever been used, is

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Speaker 3: right here. But basically what this is, we'll do mock

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Speaker 3: drafts in the future, but that's not what we're doing today.

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Speaker 3: What we're doing is we're looking at some of the

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Speaker 3: top I would say media NFL draft experts.

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Speaker 2: I mean just some what you did. You went through

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Speaker 2: and you looked at like the Ringer, ESPN Sports, they're

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Speaker 1: Their mock drafts, and then you said, these are the

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Speaker 1: people that have been mocked the Commanders, and like, I

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Speaker 1: think you articulated that really well, Like, these people are

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Speaker 3: given us the edge rusher, Keldrick Falk from Auburn. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I took with Keldric Falk. Honestly, so he's six six,

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Speaker 3: He's still growing, right. He's number nine when Feldzman's Freak

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Speaker 3: to him. So the first one is is that his

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Speaker 3: can't deny the size that he has, that he's got

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Speaker 3: And he's a hell of a run stopper. Right, You're

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Speaker 3: definitely already got somebody that's going to help in that

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Speaker 1: And again, what is the day today. It's the twelfth

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Speaker 3: All right, so I'm going to say something, tell me

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Speaker 3: like he's not there yet. He's only twenty years old.

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Speaker 3: He can do things that we like, but we're betting

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Speaker 3: that he's going to grow into something huge here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I definitely feel that way when I watch him, Like

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say surefire developmental guy, because nothing's

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Speaker 3: I love it all right now, Todd McShay over at

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Speaker 3: This time it's David Bailey from Texas Tech. Logan, I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I think you hit it kind of nail

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Speaker 1: But again, if you said, man, we really need a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like him, so I'm going to hype him

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Speaker 1: But he let to your point. He led the FBS

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Speaker 1: He's going to get after this pretty close man. Like

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Speaker 1: Now at the moment, like where they've gotten all these

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Speaker 3: I bet. One of the reasons you're enjoying it, much

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Speaker 3: Ban junior number four. Nate Tice from the I Who

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Speaker 1: Like I talked to Keldric Falkow, it started low and

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Speaker 2: Heck of a football player.

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Speaker 1: He's a little bit older, he's twenty five, so again

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Speaker 1: But again, Bain is incredibly impressive, and so in that

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Speaker 1: He's got kind of a squatty build.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be a big talking point about him,

435
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Speaker 3: is this arm length. First off, tell me why arm

436
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Speaker 3: length matters, and then tell me when there are times

437
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Speaker 3: when you can push the arm length away.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

439
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 1: So with arm length, again, you're because you're negotiating with

440
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Speaker 1: tackles usually and so they have long arms, usually thirty

441
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Speaker 1: three inches at least, and so you want guys that

442
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Speaker 1: can kind of we talked about the long arm with

443
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Speaker 1: with Bailey, like getting that thing out touching the tackle first,

444
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Speaker 1: not letting the tackle get connected or anchored to you

445
00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,080
Speaker 1: is a big part of rushing the passer in a

446
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Speaker 1: cartoonish way.

447
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,720
Speaker 3: Think about how like if you're a dad and you

448
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Speaker 3: have a little one and he's running at you, just

449
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Speaker 3: put your hand out.

450
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Speaker 2: They can't get to you.

451
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Speaker 3: Same sort of thing you got a Really if you

452
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Speaker 3: have a really strong tackle with long arms and you've

453
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Speaker 3: got shorter arms, it's worked to get in there.

454
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

455
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so you're kind of like, well, can he

456
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Speaker 1: overcome the length?

457
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Speaker 2: Like how's his get off? It doesn't look super clean.

458
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Speaker 1: But again, the more you watch them, I think the

459
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Speaker 1: thing that sticks out to me is he does a

460
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Speaker 1: couple subtle things really well. We talk about Bailey and

461
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Speaker 1: like the like the firework pass rusher that he is

462
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Speaker 1: with Bain. The thing he does better than anybody that

463
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Speaker 1: I've seen the last couple of years is his angles

464
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Speaker 1: on the rush are excellent. So a lot of immature,

465
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Speaker 1: inexperienced pass rushers will try to run away from the tackle,

466
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Speaker 1: so they kind of run straight up the field, or

467
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Speaker 1: they run right at the tackle. He does a great

468
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Speaker 1: job of setting his angle kind of what I would

469
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Speaker 1: say is like two by one off of the tackles

470
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Speaker 1: outside foot, so he's stretching the tackle vertically. If the

471
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Speaker 1: tackle is short, he does a great job with kind

472
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Speaker 1: of this chop rip and he does and he's eascid

473
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Speaker 1: enough on the dip to get around that thing. If

474
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Speaker 1: the tackle oversets the line, he's going to attack the

475
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Speaker 1: inside shoulder with great power knock that thing back at

476
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Speaker 1: a pressure. And if the tackles right on the line,

477
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Speaker 1: he's he's got good enough pressure. So like that to

478
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Speaker 1: me is something that is a very advanced coaching point. Obviously,

479
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Speaker 1: Taylor what's his his first name escapes me at the moment,

480
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Speaker 1: but great pass rusher from the Miami Dolphins is the

481
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Speaker 1: defensive line coach there, not Jason Taylor. Thank you. Yeah,

482
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Speaker 1: Jason Taylor. And I was gonna keep wanting to say Sean,

483
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: but I'm like that's not correct. So Jason Taylor coach

484
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Speaker 1: of Pastors. You can tell he's coached up well because

485
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 1: that is something that's really hard to coach. And I

486
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Speaker 1: think about Ryan Kerrigan's most productive year here in Washington,

487
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 1: and that's what the coach taught him was that line

488
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Speaker 1: and why it was so important. And when you're a

489
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Speaker 1: power rusher like him, if you can trust that line,

490
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,479
Speaker 1: you can win a lot of reps and so his

491
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Speaker 1: ability to bend the edge, which for a big guy

492
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Speaker 1: is very hard, his ability to win with power. Again,

493
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Speaker 1: I started slowly falling in love with him, and then

494
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Speaker 1: you compare him to Bailey, who again Billy's a little

495
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Speaker 1: up and down in terms of effort on first second down.

496
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Speaker 1: There is no up and up and down with Baine.

497
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Speaker 1: Like he is strong against the run, he's physical. The

498
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Speaker 1: thing that gets me is he doesn't use his hands

499
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Speaker 1: particularly well. It's a lot of shoulder contacts and elbows

500
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Speaker 1: and kind of forearm shivers.

501
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Speaker 2: But he's big.

502
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Speaker 1: He's like two seventy five, two eighty, and you can

503
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Speaker 1: really feel him on rundowns and passing downs. And the

504
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: other thing is that dude never comes off the field.

505
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Speaker 1: He's always on the field. He's in great shape. So

506
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Speaker 1: there's a lot to like about Bain. Once you get

507
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Speaker 1: past kind of the initial arm length squad of or

508
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 1: build not necessarily the most twitchy guy. When you get

509
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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of the rusher, I think you see

510
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Speaker 1: some good stuff.

511
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Speaker 3: So sometimes we talk about the exception and the rule.

512
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Speaker 3: I think in our last podcast we talked about like

513
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Speaker 3: don't get caught up in yeah, just the physicality of somebody, right,

514
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Speaker 3: Like there are rules for a reason, an arm, like

515
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Speaker 3: there's one of them. Could this be an exception? Could

516
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Speaker 3: he have an exception for this one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think with him, I think the thing is like

519
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: because he does the angle thing I'm talking about at

520
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: such a high level. Like, if you can do that

521
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Speaker 1: and be consistent with that in the NFL, you're going

522
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Speaker 1: to be a consistent pass rusher. Now, the thing that

523
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Speaker 1: you worry about is that you're going to get tackles

524
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Speaker 1: in the NFL who are a little bit bigger, a

525
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: little bit hardier, and they're going to get back to that.

526
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Speaker 1: They're going to get back to that spot. They're not

527
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Speaker 1: going to play this game where I'm short set and

528
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 1: yemming it right in the thing. They're going to invite

529
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Speaker 1: power and they're going to just underhook him, which is

530
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Speaker 1: what good tackles will do. So think about an un

531
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Speaker 1: hook from a tackle, like instead of punching straight out,

532
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Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of bring an upper cut into

533
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Speaker 1: your breastplate. So I'm lifting you out of your bul

534
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: rush and you're going to be dead. So there are

535
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Speaker 1: some good tackles that say, I know you're going to

536
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Speaker 1: bowl me on the spot. I'm just gonna underhook you,

537
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Speaker 1: and like, can he overcome that? Like Keldric Falk David

538
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 1: Bailey have more more varied pass rush moves in terms

539
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Speaker 1: of hand usage, so they can potentially overcome that. Ruben Bahm,

540
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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit unsure about. But again, like the

541
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Speaker 1: angle stuff, the bend, the burst, the timing of the snap.

542
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Speaker 1: Understanding his body type and how he can win was

543
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Speaker 1: really impressive and it's something that made me really appreciate him.

544
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Speaker 1: And I again couple that with the first and second

545
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Speaker 1: down stuff, I was like, I understand why people are

546
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Speaker 1: talking about him in this range.

547
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Speaker 3: I do pros and cons basically like green Flag's red flags.

548
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Speaker 3: When I look at these guys and there was something

549
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: that I noticed about him, I didn't know where to put.

550
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Speaker 3: But it sounds like you're kind of answering it for me,

551
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Speaker 3: But it just looked like, I have no idea how

552
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Speaker 3: to describe this.

553
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Speaker 2: It's just what my eyes saw.

554
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Speaker 3: But it looks like all his work is kind of

555
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: tight and inside. Yes, he doesn't do anything. He has

556
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 3: to get in tight in order to win. Now, I

557
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: don't know if that's a good thing or a bad

558
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 3: thing because it could be a good thing because that

559
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: means the arm length doesn't matter. You're chopping, you're getting in,

560
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 3: you're getting leverage, you're getting angles. Where it could be

561
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 3: a bad thing, being like there are bigger, stronger dudes

562
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Speaker 3: in the NFL that are just like, nope, you're not

563
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 3: doing that, and then you what do you have? So

564
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: like it, talk to me a little bit about it.

565
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Speaker 1: It's a great ice, it's a great observation, and it's

566
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Speaker 1: something like I don't know if you can hear it,

567
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: but that's like the point of consternation for me. It's like,

568
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: not even in the run game, does he really use

569
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Speaker 1: his hands? And so why, you know, like why you're

570
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: a big strong guy, right, Like, why aren't we using

571
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Speaker 1: our hands more?

572
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Speaker 2: Why are we so shoulder oriented?

573
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Speaker 3: Is this something that can be taught, so like you

574
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Speaker 3: don't sit there and go, well, we'll take them and

575
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Speaker 3: we'll teach him this.

576
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so it's something you can teach, but

577
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Speaker 1: it is kind of like it's the way he's been

578
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: playing for the last four years, so it's not going

579
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Speaker 1: to just like erase from the system right away. And

580
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Speaker 1: I have heard other analysts say, oh, I think uses

581
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Speaker 1: his hands, well, I would disagree with those people. Well,

582
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: based on what I've seen, I think as a pass rusher,

583
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: he's got three good moves that work really well for him.

584
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: That's fine. He knows how to defeat the hands in

585
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: those contexts. As a run defender. One of the reasons

586
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: that I get so excited for Keldric Falk is his

587
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: hands are excellent. He knows how to manipulate shoulders, he

588
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: knows how to use his length, he knows how to.

589
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: Attack backside pad. All that stuff is so.

590
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Speaker 1: Important, and it's one of the reasons he's so successful

591
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Speaker 1: against the run bait. And you'll see him get washed

592
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: or lost or clamped on, and he's kind of making

593
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Speaker 1: these tackles where he's falling off of blocks that are

594
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: engaged on him to make the tackle Like that works

595
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: in college because you're bigger and stronger. In the NFL,

596
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: you are going to need to have more efficient hand

597
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: use on first and second down.

598
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Speaker 3: So would you let's end on a positive them, Yeah, right,

599
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 3: Because all these guys were pointing out the goods and

600
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: the bats or nitpicking at this level because you think

601
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: all these guys are definitely first round talent. If not

602
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: top ten talent. So all that taking into consideration, maybe

603
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: it's the arm length, the hand you should saying put

604
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Speaker 3: a bow on it. Though you're happy at number seven

605
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: if he comes here to Washington.

606
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: Because absolutely, because of because of how he trusts the angle.

607
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: And if you look at pass rushers that have been

608
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Speaker 1: successful recently, I look no further than Jared Verse. That's

609
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: what Jared Verse does. I attack the angle. If you're short,

610
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn the corner. And he turns the corner

611
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: better than Jared Verse. So he has the tools to

612
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Speaker 1: be successful. Yah. His powers maybe not as sharper, as

613
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: explosive as Jared Verse, but he turns the corner way better.

614
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Speaker 1: So if you're going to give him a short corner,

615
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: he unlike Jared Verse, who was really stiff in the hips,

616
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Speaker 1: I think I remember doing the eval thing and like,

617
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he can consistently turn the corner

618
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because he's just running down people's face all

619
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Speaker 1: the time. But if you give him a short corner,

620
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: he is bendy enough and strong enough in the lower

621
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Speaker 1: half to make that play. So there is a tremendous

622
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Speaker 1: upside for this style of power Rusher. It's just like

623
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Speaker 1: there are I guess the thing is, there are limitations

624
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: to his game, which there's limitations to all three of

625
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: these guys games. And I think, like I again, like

626
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Speaker 1: I said, I fell in love with him the more

627
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Speaker 1: I watched him, because he plays hard, he's physical, and

628
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: he's got this kind of magic pixie dust that he

629
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: has in terms of trust in this angle.

630
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Speaker 2: That gets me, like, as a football.

631
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: Purist, really excited, and I know how hard that is

632
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: to block, and I see college tackles having a really

633
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: hard time with.

634
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Speaker 2: It, all right.

635
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: Number seven Trevor sikamav from PFF Friend of the Pod.

636
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Speaker 3: He has from the Great State of Ohio safety Caleb Downs.

637
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Speaker 3: I mean, logan, this dude's stud this this could be

638
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: the best player in the draft, so of the players

639
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: I've watched, and so this year you talk about changing

640
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: draft process because we always have to rank these guys.

641
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: I've been putting a number grade of like where I

642
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: think they should go.

643
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: He is the highest.

644
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Speaker 1: He's the highest grade that I've given out so far

645
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: so far, and dude's a machine man, like he is

646
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: a football player, Johnny in the purest sense of the word,

647
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: like as the nickel, he comes down and apps obliterates

648
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: you on the tackle. Like people want to compare him

649
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: to Gosh. I should look this up before a game.

650
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: But the guy that Texas drafted in the first round

651
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: last year who was kind of this nickel hybrid player,

652
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: that dude didn't want to tackle, Caleb Downs will come

653
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: knock your face off. Okay, he knows how to blitz,

654
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: he can fit runs. He stays incredibly square in man coverage,

655
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: plays with great strength, Like watching him against the tight

656
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: end for Michigan. Is going to be a draft toble

657
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: player Like that dude's six' SEVEN i think he's two

658
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: six two fifty, five and he is square as a

659
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: try as a straight. LINE i don't know even, Know

660
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: like what's something that's really? SQUARE a square is an

661
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: angle that you'd use to hang something on your. Wall

662
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: like he is as square as you could possibly, be

663
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: doesn't move his doesn't to open his, shoulders locks that dude.

664
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: Down like to see that level of man coverage from

665
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: a guy who's not a big. Guy he's five eleven

666
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: to two hundred pounds is incredibly. Impressive the physicality in

667
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: the run, again like to, me he feels like the

668
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: perfect Like Buffalo nickel hyghbred. Linebacker AND i think about

669
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: all the Issues washington's had With nickel players, here AND

670
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: i would die if that dude came here because, smart,

671
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: instinctual downhill tacks the football Stud, yeah this is what

672
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: a blue.

673
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: Chip looks like when we talk about it when you watch,

674
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: him because it's hard to find flaws really and what's

675
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: going on. Here SO i don't want to say he's

676
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: a sure. Thing they're never sure things because it's college

677
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: and you're going TO. Nfl but it looks like he

678
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: has all the tools to be helpful to any team

679
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: he goes. To almost right. AWAY i want to say

680
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: something real quick with what you, said is to super.

681
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: Smart so that's one of the things THAT i really

682
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: picked up on this that he brings to the table

683
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: is at. Smartness and WHAT i mean is that somehow

684
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: he will know when it's a run. Play it seems

685
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: like he just. Knows maybe he's just that good at studying.

686
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: Film it looks like he has the answers to the.

687
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: Test there will be a run. Play he is going

688
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: downhill before that ball is, snapped or right when that

689
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: ball is, snapped and it's not a. Blitz he's not doing.

690
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: That he's fitting his run and he is getting down there, fast,

691
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: quick and. Violently on the flip, side he's excellent in.

692
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: Coverage he rarely gets caught going downhill and then somebody

693
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: beating him over the top because he misread something that.

694
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: Happened his eyes are so good and the stats back

695
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: me up on. This zero touchdowns allowed this year with two.

696
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: Interceptions that's pretty. Good he's also tied for seventeenth in

697
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: college this year in coverage. Snaps oh, really not just among,

698
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: safeties all, dbs so he is covering players back.

699
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: There zero tds allowed this. Year so.

700
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: There's something here with this. Guy and he looks so,

701
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: fluid he's, violent his eyes are. Great it's one of

702
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: those things WHERE i feel like if you Add Caleb

703
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: downs to a, roster he's not just going to be

704
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: a piece that fits in That he's going to be

705
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: a leader on your, defense even at a young.

706
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: AGE i think that's, right AND i think you saw

707
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: that With, Alabama like he's like no one starts as

708
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: a fresh For Nick, sabit and he was one Of

709
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: he started as a as a freshman safety in a

710
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: very complicated defense down an all Of alabama For Nick

711
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: sablem before transferring To Ohio. States, so uh, yeah a

712
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: lot of fun to. WATCH i think, again like people,

713
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: SAY i had people ask me like is.

714
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: He a post? Safety is he a box. SAFETY i

715
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: just think you.

716
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: Want him near the line of scrimmage because of how

717
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: effective he. Is that like what you're, saying like diagnosing

718
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: runs and playing man coverage against tight.

719
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: Ends BUT i think you can do.

720
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: Both like he had a great PBu Versus michigan where

721
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: tight ends running a, dig he breaks on it and

722
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: like basically beats the tight end of the. Spot so

723
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: like clicking clothes is very. Good, again maybe you're a

724
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: little bit concerned about the size being five to eleven

725
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: being a box, player but he's well put.

726
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: Together, yeah he can get eaten up by a tight

727
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: end in the run game sometimes HE'S i put this

728
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: in the. NEGATIVE i don't know if it's a. Negative

729
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: to be, honest he can. Gamble, yeah he goes for

730
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: things right to try and get that, ball and sometimes

731
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: most of the time it works. Out but like he does,

732
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: GAMBLE i don't not everybody he wants.

733
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: THAT i don't.

734
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: Know, man THAT i, HEARD i think it was kind

735
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: Of rogers on one of the pods say this about

736
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: him is like some people are gonna he's gonna fall

737
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: in the. Draft probably kind Of rodgers was, saying this

738
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: is the best player in the draft of, him but

739
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: he's not gonna go number one. Overall why, well because

740
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: of position. Value but at the end of the, day

741
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: at some, point make up your, mind, like, OH i

742
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: don't want to draft a safety in the top five

743
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: or at number seven or in the top ten or.

744
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 3: Whatever but, man if you get the best player in

745
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: the draft that could come out and be a leader,

746
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: immediately that has all the tools you, need who cares

747
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: about position value at that?

748
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: Point, YEAH i mean it would be very high to

749
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: traditionally take it to a safety at. Seven but, like

750
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: when you see a guy that's this, good it just

751
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: gives you a lot of confidence that he's going to

752
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: make your. Team but like you, said make your team instantly,

753
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: better and so not a lot of. Negatives, again like

754
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: people can, say, oh he gets kind of locked up

755
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: in the run game or, whatever he's not a.

756
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: Thing, man he goes for a big hit and doesn't.

757
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: Wrap but, again like all these, guys we're kind of,

758
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: Nitpicking but.

759
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: That's what safeties. Do they're gonna have a hard time

760
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: in the run game against bigger body tight. Ends but,

761
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: again like he's a, Stud i'd love to see him

762
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: here in The burgundy And golden all.

763
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: Right the next one that we have Is Mike renner

764
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: over AT Cbs. Sports this one's a, DEPARTURE i think

765
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: from what a lot of people are, doing WHICH i

766
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: kind of, like, yeah, again we're staying in the great

767
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: state Of ohio. State this is wide Receiver Carneal. TAIT

768
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: a lot of people have him as the top wide

769
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: receiver in this, draft if not one, two where do

770
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: you have? Him what do you think about?

771
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: Him so right, NOW i think HE i definitely think

772
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: he's a first round. Player i'm having a hard time categorizing,

773
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: him And i've always, been to be, Fair i've always

774
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: had a hard time Categorizing ohio state wide receivers because

775
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: they're just so much, Better like the offense is so much,

776
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: better the team is so much better than a lot

777
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: of guys they play they play. Against and so he's,

778
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: tall he's six. THREE i want to say he's like

779
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: two hundred, pounds two of five something.

780
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: Like, yeah right, there one ninety.

781
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: One, yeah so big, guy good, frame litle bit of

782
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: a long. STRIDER i don't see like this great short

783
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: area burst with. Him he is a kind of build

784
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: up speed type of. Guy you, know his drop rate

785
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: decreased dramatically from two thousand and four to twenty twenty,

786
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: five so obviously worked on that got significantly. Better thank

787
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: he only two drops this last, year has become significantly

788
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: better in contested catch. SITUATIONS i feel like he needs

789
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: to lean on that skill set a little bit. More He,

790
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: AGAIN i think the Reason i'm having a hard time

791
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: with him is because traditionally he's A he's the body

792
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: type of a receiver THAT i really. Like but ALSO

793
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: i understand that the type of body type that's winning

794
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: in THE nfl is not necessarily. That it's more like

795
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: these guys that are excellent, accelerators decelerators in and out of,

796
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: cuts super. CLEAN i, think like strong lower half Like

797
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: Jackson smith And. Jig But pukunukua that type of, Guy

798
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: and so he's a little bit of a more traditional,

799
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: mold AND i just, wonder and again this is where the.

800
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: COMBINE i don't even know if he's gonna, run BUT

801
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: i just wonder how fast he. Is that's the thing

802
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: that comes out to me is LIKE i think he

803
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: ran like a four to seven coming out of high,

804
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: school which again is not people, grow they. Change i'm

805
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: not saying that's the, thing but not a super fast.

806
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: Player and so to, me he feels like a really

807
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: good number. Two and maybe here In washington that's fine

808
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: because you Have terry McLaurin and you just have another weapon.

809
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: Here BUT i AM i don't see him as a

810
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: GUY i would at right, now right, now a GUY

811
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: i would take it.

812
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 3: Seven in last year's, draft where would you.

813
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: Put him with the receivers last, YE i don't even,

814
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: Remember like it's let me pull up the.

815
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: Order, yeah but, again like he like, so he's, talented

816
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about. It but it's just LIKE i

817
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: don't know exactly like where he. Fits oh so it

818
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: was uh it Was tetro McMillan And golden right with

819
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: the two other, Guys i'd probably have him behind both

820
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: those players And mecca And buka with the other. One

821
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: LIKE i like him more than A mecca And. BUKA

822
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: i don't like him as much AS i Did golden

823
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: And tetro. McMillan i think a little bit of is

824
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i Love tetro McMillan's like ball. CONTROL i, Thought, god,

825
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah golden could run every single. Route but, YEAH i

826
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: think he'd probably the third guy for me in that.

827
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: Class, okay so it feels like maybe number seven is.

828
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: A little but, again like, we like you, said we

829
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: just started watching these, guys so LIKE i want to

830
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: GIVE i want to give myself that out is like

831
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: half like because you, know LIKE i, said like the

832
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: first watching Of Ruben, BAIN i was, like, EH i

833
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: THINK i even had them like at a five and a,

834
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: half which is not. Great and Then i've changed it

835
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: to a seven and a, half Like i've moved up

836
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Because I've i've watched. MORE i like, HIM i understand

837
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: his game a little bit. Better and So i'm going

838
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: to give myself a little bit of time here With carnel.

839
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Tape but right now doesn't feel like a guy would ticket.

840
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: Seven, WELL i don't want it to feel like we're

841
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: down on this. Guy So i'm going to say just

842
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: a couple of, things not that you are down, There

843
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: but like you, said he is smooth when he runs,

844
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: right he looks like a prototypical wide. Receiver that you

845
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: would want kind of on the outside, right because your

846
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: ex wide receiver it's built like. That you don't always

847
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: get those guys coming around a. Lot like WHEN i

848
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 3: was going through watching all the, RECEIVERS i got through

849
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: all of them that are at A Trin, bowl half

850
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: that are going to be at The Senior. Bowl there's

851
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: a lot lot of guys at the same general like

852
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: between five ten and six foot one eighty ish right

853
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: somewhere in there that are slot guys that are cutting it.

854
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 3: Up there's not a lot of guys that are built like,

855
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 3: this that run like, This so it's hard to find

856
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: this kind of STEREOTYPICAL x receiver just in. GENERAL i

857
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: think he runs routes really nice and cleanly for as

858
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 3: big as he. Is you're, RIGHT i don't know how

859
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: fast he. Is it seems like you can get caught from,

860
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: behind BUT i think he's.

861
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: But he does his.

862
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: Thing utilization is important with a, play like if you

863
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: know what he, is, like it's, okay.

864
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: He does this thing THAT i really like that not

865
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: a lot of receivers at The college leveill do. That

866
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: WHEN i watch is that if there's if the defense

867
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: is in a zone and he's running through a, zone

868
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: he will change his. Acceleration there are a lot of

869
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: young guys that'll get going and they're just one speed

870
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: through it and it's like hit me in this. Window

871
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: but he will slow down and speed up based on

872
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 3: the zone and what he's seeing around.

873
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: Him with it makes me think he's he's seeing. It he's.

874
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: Smart he knows like there's something there to. That and

875
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: maybe that's like An Ohio state and sav.

876
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: Experience remember last, year like people weren't super stoked on

877
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: A mecca And. Buka but he obviously is a good

878
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: separator and very productive at THE nfl.

879
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: Level here's here's the thing that really stuck out. THOUGH

880
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: i want you to talk about the importance of, it

881
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: and then also how does this translate to THE. Nfl

882
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: he can go get the, ball right like the jump

883
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: balls to contested, balls he can go get. That he

884
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: has an eighty five point seven percent contested rate. Catch

885
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: that means it's not a fifty to fifty ball when

886
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: it's up. There he can go get that. Sucker, so,

887
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 3: like how does THAT i know that that's kind of

888
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: like a up there Stat like it's there's a lot

889
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: of variables to. That but we have a guy In

890
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: terry where people have been, saying, oh that's a fifty

891
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: to fifty ball and you get sometimes you get it

892
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: more lucky than, others.

893
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: But there's there's a skill to. It we see it With.

894
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: Terry so how do you take that a guy that

895
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: can go get the ball and when the fifty to

896
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: fifty ball and SAY i can expect something like this

897
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 3: in THE.

898
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: Nfl, YEAH i think That's that's the thing for me

899
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: is like another guy is Like Denzel, boston who is another,

900
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: fifty very very high contested catch. Receiver and the thing

901
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: about college receivers traditionally for me is that if you're

902
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: not a great, separator the contested catch number tends to

903
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: come down because you get dbs at THE nfl who

904
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: are better at playing the. Ball they're, bigger they're, stronger they're,

905
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: faster they're more, physical they play through the hands. Better

906
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: and SO i always get a little bit nervous WHEN

907
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: i see big receivers who aren't great. Separators they got

908
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: to be, both, right because, again like there are guys

909
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: who are just Like terry's a great example who can

910
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: bring that skill set and keep cultivating it at THE nfl,

911
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: Level BUT i do think that that's something that it's.

912
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: Awesome LIKE i love the concentration because the ultimate thing

913
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: you have to do a receiver is catch the daggum,

914
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: Football so catch the. Ball love, that but also like

915
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: what is our separation? Rate like the one of the

916
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: REASONS i Think Jordan tyson might be number one for

917
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: me is like WHEN i watch, him he's got all the, tricks,

918
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: stems double, sticks you, know the whole thing in terms

919
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: of running. Routes now that dude's been hurt four consecutive.

920
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: Years so, like nobody's a perfect. Prospect Denzel boston little stiff,

921
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: again some of the same things you're running To Cornel

922
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: Taits so is there that? True like one one receiver

923
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: in this? Class, No and does that help a guy like, This,

924
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: yes who's incredibly, consistent very, solid gonna make the play

925
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: when you need to make. It, LIKE i think there

926
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: is value to that type of, player and especially in

927
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: a year that's kind of down at the top end

928
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: of the receiving, CLASS i think it becomes even more.

929
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: VALUABLE i think the biggest thing for this kid That

930
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: i'm gonna want to see IS i hope he runs

931
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 3: at the. Combine but if it's a spready or, whatever

932
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: if he runs a good forty, right.

933
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: It's a good forty four year for, him like four,

934
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: five four or five five.

935
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: You have four or, FIVE i would say four or

936
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: five if he can run in, There, LIKE i think

937
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: he's number one wide receiver prospect if he does. That

938
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: and then the other thing THAT i just won't know

939
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: is if he interviews well and is a self starter

940
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: and is like that dude in that, sense like once.

941
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: It if he does those two, things, LIKE i think

942
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: this kid could be the real deal happy Meal, Hobnestly

943
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 3: like he. COULD i know you're saying he could potentially

944
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: be a number two if he checks these boxes That i'm,

945
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: MENTIONING i think he could be a number one receiver

946
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: on the. Team he's just got that, size that, movement

947
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: the hands, right all the things that you want in

948
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: a wide. Receiver he's got. Those not all super, polished

949
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: but he's going to develop into. That so if he

950
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: can check off these, boxes it's worth that higher pick to.

951
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: Me but what DO i?

952
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Know, yeah and we're gonna you, know be at the

953
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: combine and talk to people out there and sometimes they're, like, oh,

954
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: yeah you interviewed really, well or he's, this or is,

955
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: that and so we'll be able to give you more

956
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: insight on that once we get to the, combine which

957
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: will be later in the.

958
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: Process all, right we're gonna do two more, here logan

959
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: before we get to our fastest. Forty the two THAT

960
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: i have one. Here nobody is mocked to, us but really, there,

961
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: well nobody THAT i. Saw i'm sure that there's somebody out.

962
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: There there's so many mock, drafts but none of the

963
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: big ones. Yet but they're floating right in that, area,

964
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: Right they're right around where we. Were so let's say

965
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: somebody declares for the draft that we aren't expecting at

966
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: a quarterback position or, something maybe gets knocked back a

967
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: little bit and the draft ball is a little. Different

968
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 3: these guys are in that SEVEN i would, say six

969
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: seven eight ish area as of, now. Right so the

970
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: first one is running back From Notre, Dame Jeremiah. Love

971
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: he is considered to be the best running back in this.

972
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: Class i've heard from others that he's the best running

973
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: back process prospect maybe Since. Bejeon so what do you

974
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: think about? That that's lofty. Comparison we Watched bijon at

975
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: The combine a couple of years, ago and that was

976
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: like silky smooth water run It like does.

977
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: He look like that to?

978
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: You is?

979
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: RIGHT i mean, Honestly like you, Know bejeon was very,

980
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: Talented so don't get don't misconstrued What i'm about to.

981
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: Say but he has a physicality to, him like when

982
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: he runs a little bit of a wild horse to,

983
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: Him like is he Jere? Love?

984
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah love what they say his first Name, Jeremiah Jeremiah.

985
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: Love and he's got a wildness to, him like a

986
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: he can't be. Contained he seems like he's a much

987
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: more explosive physical. Athlete and he's you, know he's what

988
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: is he six to, one six foot two hundred and

989
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: twenty pounds something like.

990
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: That he's listening six foot two oh.

991
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: Six, yeah so he's a big old hoss man and

992
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: he runs that way like he gets, downhill he can.

993
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: Catch the football out of the.

994
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: Backfield LIKE i really really like him as a prospect,

995
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: again like we're talking about the, Grade like he's kind

996
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: of in That Caleb downs area in terms of.

997
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: Like he's just is very very.

998
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: Good he's, physical he runs, hard he's, fast he's. EXPLOSIVE

999
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: i don't see him have a hard time catching the.

1000
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: Football the thing THAT i have with running back is

1001
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: you better have the infrastructure to support. Him, now In,

1002
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: WASHINGTON i would argue that we do because, again like

1003
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: we have an excellent offensive, Line we've got a great

1004
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: blocking tight, End we've got a senate who again can

1005
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: kind of play that f full back kind of.

1006
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 3: Role don't Discount daniels in his running, ability.

1007
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: Correct and so maybe you bring him in here and, say,

1008
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: like let this dude rush for fifteen hundred yards BECAUSE

1009
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: i think he's capable of.

1010
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: That and when you look At.

1011
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: Ben johnson's, offense you, know Obviously David blow is so familiar,

1012
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: there like the way they use running backs to create.

1013
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: Mismatches that's a really interesting proposition for me here In

1014
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: washington with a guy WHO i think is maybe the

1015
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: best offensive skill player in the. DRAFT i actually not even.

1016
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: MAYBE i think as of the People i've watched right,

1017
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: now that would be one hundred percent. True so, yeah

1018
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: outside of, quarterback, obviously.

1019
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: Again what DO i.

1020
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: Know i'm just a guy that watches. FOOTBALL i have

1021
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: no you, KNOW i didn't play football at. HIGHLIGHT i

1022
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: don't know Anything i'd rate him higher Than jent last

1023
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: year person. Too, yeah, YEAH i looking at him so

1024
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: like he is he's the other blue chat Right kalem

1025
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: Downs Jeremiah love WHEN i watch, him, like, man you're

1026
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 3: right like. Wild the WAY i described it is, creative

1027
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: right like in a way like he's. Violent he runs, hard.

1028
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: But reminds me a little bit Of adrian P.

1029
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: Wiggly hips right hard to get Him, like he has

1030
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: a couple of runs where we're gonna say muddy a

1031
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: lot with running, backs but he just like veers just

1032
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: enough and just a little bit so it's still a straight,

1033
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: line so he's maintaining that, acceleration but he's wiggling in

1034
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 3: it just enough that it's people are missing or bouncing

1035
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: off of. Him and it's really super. Impressive he's got the.

1036
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: Hands he's gonna be excellent in the passing. Area it's

1037
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: not just a one trick pony. There doesn't come off

1038
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: the field all that. Much, Here i'm gonna give you some.

1039
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 3: Stats you, Know i'm a guy that likes steps. Stats

1040
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: so he's In missouri state one hundred meter. Champ love

1041
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: that ten point seven to six. Seconds pretty, Good pretty,

1042
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: good all, RIGHT pff grades not everything in the, world

1043
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: but they tell you a. STORY a one twenty three

1044
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: point five elusive rating that's the best in the. Class

1045
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: he is eighth and carries of fifteen plus yards twelve

1046
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: in yards after. Contact you want to guess how many

1047
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: yards after contact he's had this.

1048
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: Year i'm going to say a.

1049
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: Lot it's eight hundred and ninety. Six so you touch,

1050
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: him it doesn't. Matter you'll still have a thousand yard.

1051
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: Season and then he's been. Consistent this is the one

1052
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: THAT i really. Love in twenty twenty four and twenty

1053
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: four rushing, yards seventeen touchdowns on the ground this, year

1054
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: eighteen touchdowns on the, ground one hundred yards more, like

1055
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 3: just consistent And Notre dame played good talent this year

1056
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: and they know this is the. Guy defenses know this the,

1057
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: guy and you just can't stop.

1058
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: HIM i was about to bring that, up but it's

1059
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: not like gent where he's playing a bunch of smaller

1060
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: schools and really rocking up the. Yards they Played miami

1061
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: this year and there were some absolutely terrible looks strawing

1062
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: the football intwo and this dude was a master of.

1063
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: Creating whether he's breaking, tackles making people miss for five

1064
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: yard runs that just kept the offense on. Schedule SO

1065
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: i think he's an absolute stud and, again like not

1066
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: the right fit for. Everybody but if you, said, hey

1067
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: we're going to take him at, seven, DUDE i would

1068
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: get pretty excited about.

1069
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: THAT i think any team would have a hard time

1070
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 3: not like getting excited about you being on your. Roster like, again,

1071
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 3: NITPICK i want to nitpick everybody and make it seem

1072
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: like we're just glossing over. EVERYBODY i think he could

1073
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: work on pass pro a little.

1074
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: BIT i mean THAT'S i, mean you just described every

1075
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 2: college running back you, know but you know his route

1076
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 2: running is, Okay, yeah it's not great to tighten it. Up, yeah.

1077
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: Right and THEN i thought he could be just a

1078
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: little too aggressive towards a. Whole if he's just a.

1079
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: Hair, patient he is a.

1080
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: Cycle it opens a little more easy to say, it

1081
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: but he's a cycle to the long, times it just.

1082
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: Doesn't sometimes you're asking to take away from this to

1083
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: add to, this and maybe that's pulling away a super

1084
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: LIKE i Don't, AGAIN i don't know What i'm talking.

1085
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: About those are just LITTLE i think you're, right AND

1086
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: i think like when like the rout running things an

1087
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: interesting talking point because he runs good routes for a,

1088
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: back but not necessarily good, routes and so like that's

1089
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: something that you're always. Negotiating that's one thing that Makes

1090
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: christian McCaffrey christian McCaffrey is he runs good, routes. Period, yeah,

1091
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: Right AND i do think that he and B John

1092
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: robinson runs good routes, period. RIGHT i think he can

1093
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: get there under the right. Coaching AND i think about

1094
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: what that weapon does for an offense if you can

1095
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: get him to that, level because he is, explosive he's. Dexterous,

1096
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: gosh can he run? Hard special football player for?

1097
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 3: Sure all, right last one, here man back To Ohio state.

1098
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: Defenses, YEAH i, know.

1099
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: So the linebacker Rvel reese tell me a little bit

1100
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 3: about Rvel.

1101
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: Reese so this one was tough for. ME i THINK

1102
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: i texted g yesterday that it's been tough for me

1103
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: to watch. Him SO i think when you watch the,

1104
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: highlights when you watch him spying a, quarterback running that

1105
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: dude down like a, wolf chasing down like a bit air,

1106
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: lion chasing down at, gazelle.

1107
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: Like he looks the.

1108
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: Part he is a stand up outside linebacker predominantly in

1109
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: the scheme At Ohio.

1110
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: State he's just real, quickly give you a. Pitcher he's.

1111
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: Big he's six four two forty. Three he can move like.

1112
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: You, said, right he can absolutely haul like and again

1113
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: like most of his stuff of him as a, spy,

1114
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: right he plays an on the ball kind of sam.

1115
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: Linebacker as a run, defender he's got good, physicality doesn't

1116
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: always use his hands the. Best there are reps of

1117
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: him rushing the passer at a high, level but like

1118
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: so for, example Like Jayalen walker last year From, Georgia,

1119
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: yeah he would rush the passer a lot and he

1120
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: would spy the quarterback a, lot and there was enough

1121
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 1: there WHERE i was, like he will be a good

1122
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: full time edge in the. End maybe not a good

1123
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: but he will be a solid full time.

1124
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: Edge in THE. Nfl.

1125
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: YEAH i don't know If i've seen enough of that

1126
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: from r Vel reese to be like he will be

1127
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: a GOOD nfl?

1128
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: Edge is that coaching not coaching holding them? Back but

1129
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 3: They're WHAT i mean by coaching is, like we're putting

1130
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: him in these positions here and you would rather see

1131
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: him over. Here But Ohio saint's going to do What

1132
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 3: ohios you needs to do with? Defense but you just

1133
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: wanted to see more here and you wish to coach

1134
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: and gave him where of that? Chance or do you

1135
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: think it's, like, well maybe he's limited there so we

1136
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 3: have to put.

1137
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: Them, yes SO i think they just didn't rush him a,

1138
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: lot and SO i just want to see him on

1139
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: straight pass.

1140
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 3: Rushing, yeah BUT i masking, like do you think that's

1141
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: because he doesn't have the juice era do you think

1142
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 3: that's just because hats How Ohio state needed to under?

1143
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 3: Defense maybe chicken or the. EGG i think it was.

1144
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: More of a defensive, thing. Honestly but he does have.

1145
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: Juice he does have a good get, off he does

1146
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: have a good closing. Speed he has elements of the

1147
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: things you're talking. About it's just interesting to hear people

1148
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: talk about him and maybe this is where expectations are,

1149
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: important or not meeting expectations. Important like people were talking

1150
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: about him as the best defensive player in the, class

1151
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: AND i was, like he's a guy that doesn't do

1152
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: the thing you're projecting him to. Do he doesn't rush

1153
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: the passer consistently in the. Defense there are reps of

1154
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: him doing, it but it's definitely Not Jalen, walker where

1155
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: it's like he's rushing the, passer he's working against. Tackles

1156
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: you see the, bend you see the, moves you see

1157
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: what he's. Got that's not what ar Val rees. Does

1158
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: like his sacks come on blitzes from the interior and

1159
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: him spying a quarterback and then chasing the guy. Down

1160
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: it's the athlete is one hundred percent.

1161
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: There can you make.

1162
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 3: A comp to THE nfl and who does? That maybe

1163
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 3: not the size or anything like, that but that type of.

1164
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: Position, yeah it's it's kind of Like Frankie luvu a

1165
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: little bit, Right like he's he's a better. Blitzer, internally

1166
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna use him as a. Spy he's got a

1167
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: good closing. Speed but and this is not necessarily the

1168
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: case For, frankie but WITH Rvl, reese when you put

1169
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: him at off ball backer next To Sunny, styles WHO

1170
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: i think is an absolute.

1171
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: Stud by the, way the other.

1172
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: Linebacker there WHO i am surprised is not in the

1173
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: conversation here at. Seven maybe because he's an off ball

1174
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: linebacker position of. Value that's a conversation for another. Day

1175
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: but he doesn't look as locked in in those moments,

1176
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: right it looks like the space is befuddling to, him

1177
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: so you can't really play him off the. Ball you

1178
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: gotta to play him on the. Ball he hasn't rushed

1179
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: passer a, Ton so, like DO i think he's a

1180
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: first round, player first round?

1181
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: Athlete absolutely?

1182
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: Do is that SOMEONE i want take to take in

1183
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: the top fifteen or twenty picks of the. Draft, Like

1184
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: i'm still on the fence about, it AND i got

1185
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: to watch way more.

1186
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: Film on him to get some level of comfort with.

1187
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 3: It this is a Guy i'm going to go back

1188
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: and rewatch a lot during this process BECAUSE i wrote

1189
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: in here my, NOTES i don't. KNOW i don't even

1190
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 3: know What i'm looking for with this. GUY i can't

1191
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: figure it out just watching. It like the production's kind

1192
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: of there with six and a half, sacks and he

1193
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 3: just doesn't feel like he dominates, Correct but you can

1194
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 3: tell he's freakish, athletic and, LIKE i don't, KNOW i

1195
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: see all the, goods.

1196
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: But when you watch the highlights of, him like the,

1197
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: pressures the, sacks you, say okay it just when you're

1198
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: in game Watching Ohio. State there are other players that

1199
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: are way more impactful to that, defense and for a

1200
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: guy that's supposed to be again a top ten. Pick

1201
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: but that's that's the Assertion i've heard from a lot of.

1202
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: People like people aren't Saying washington's not going to take

1203
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: him at seven because he's not going. High people are

1204
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: saying he's going to go Before washington picks at. Seven,

1205
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: Right SO i JUST i have not seen that, player

1206
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: like for, example like WHEN i Watched Jalen, walker you

1207
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: know who got drafted out Of georgia a couple years,

1208
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: ago the defensive, end like he didn't play a, lot

1209
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: but like he did the thing you wanted him to.

1210
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: Do he just wasn't overly productive Like Rvel reese doesn't

1211
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: do the thing you're expecting him to do and isn't crazy.

1212
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: Productive so, again the athlete is one hundred percent. There

1213
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: if you were coming TO Wa, WASHING i have one

1214
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: hundred percent confidence at the staff and a people figure

1215
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: out what to do with. Him but right, now to your,

1216
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: point it's not clear that this is the dominant piece

1217
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: of the defense that everyone's kind of.

1218
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 3: Touting he doesn't jump off Like KLi Caleb downs does

1219
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: in the same. Offense, yes it just doesn't jump sorry. Defense,

1220
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah SO i don't. KNOW i think he's a really good.

1221
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: PLAYER i see why people are projecting him to be

1222
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: because this is All you're not drafting the player, currently

1223
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 3: you're drafting what you project them to. Be so IT

1224
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: i can see how people are projecting, them, yeah to,

1225
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: be but with.

1226
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: Projections so that's the thing with, Projections i'm always, like

1227
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: usually you dock people points for that because it's a.

1228
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: Projection it's one of the Reasons Jalen walker fell a

1229
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: little bit in the draft last. YEAR i feel like

1230
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: they're pumping him up this year compared to last year

1231
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: with this very similar type of.

1232
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: Player well maybe Because Jalen walker had a good season,

1233
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 3: maybe and it's, like, well we're going to learn something.

1234
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: Here but this falls into that risk management thing for,

1235
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: me like there are a lot of. Positives there are

1236
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: a lot of, positives but WHEN i watch, them like

1237
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: If i'm GONNA i don't know.

1238
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: Like the other players like, That, like quite, HONESTLY i

1239
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: would Take Keldric, Falk David, Bailey Ruben, bain AND i

1240
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: would definitely take downs BEFORE i would take.

1241
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 3: Him, well let me ask you an interesting, question because

1242
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: it's in my, Mind i'm trying to think about how

1243
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: it would be If i'm listening to this And i'm

1244
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: not in the, process and it's, like, man you, guys

1245
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: you guys are haters ON rvl. Rees you don't think

1246
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 3: he's going to be any if you were picking at

1247
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 3: if you were picking at, ten is he?

1248
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: In the conversation comes a little bit more appetizing, THERE i,

1249
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: think to.

1250
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 3: Me so we're talking about the three spots in the,

1251
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: draft that's barely he's going to be in the top

1252
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 3: tier for, you right or not the, top.

1253
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 2: But up, THERE i think it'll be a first round.

1254
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: Player, like so to, ME i see a guy That i'm, like,

1255
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: Probably i'd say twelve to. Twenty, again is kind of

1256
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: where we're talking in terms of. Risk and again the

1257
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: draft is, funny like if he's your best rated, PLAYER

1258
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: i draft him at.

1259
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: SEVEN i don't. Care but it just when you watch the.

1260
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: FILM i, again probably because everyone was hyping him up so,

1261
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: MUCH i don't see that. Player AND i haven't come

1262
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: around on him, yet Like i've come around On Kendrick

1263
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: keldric Falk on Ruben, Bain LIKE i see what people

1264
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: are talking about. Here i'm still trying to figure out

1265
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: exactly what we're talking about outside of the. Athlete that's

1266
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: the Thing i'm having our.

1267
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: TIME i feel like he's going to be My Mike

1268
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 3: green this year because last Year Mike green From, MARSHALL

1269
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 3: i was super high on him from the, beginning and

1270
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 3: Then Senior bowl. HAPPENED i was a little low and

1271
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: THEN i came back, around and then WHEN i ended

1272
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 3: the show last, YEAR i was.

1273
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: LIKE i Love, Michael yeah that was your PICK.

1274
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: R it was just. Yep it was just around and

1275
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 3: around and. Around AND i feel like this Is reese

1276
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 3: is going to do this to. Me he's going to

1277
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 3: be The he's going to be the guy That i'm constantly.

1278
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: CHASING i just can't put a finger on. It but

1279
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: there's he does have an it Where i'm intrigued AND i,

1280
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: REALLY i really want this kind of. Thing So i'm

1281
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: going to keep investing in watching him and trying to

1282
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: learn and evaluate him because there's, something there's an it

1283
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 3: there that makes me want to do. That BUT i

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00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: don't know THAT i Personally jason will be able to

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00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 3: put a finger on.

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Speaker 1: It, YEAH i definitely have not watched my last clip

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00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: of our bell. Rees you, know as of this, date

1288
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: like he's a guy that you just need to get in.

1289
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: On Dug in probably watch you, know five or six

1290
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: games on just to get just to get a feel for.

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Speaker 3: It all, right, logan let's do our fastest forty then

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00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: get out of, here, right all? Right all, Right so

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00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: our little segment here is the fastest. Forty when we

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00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: get to the combine will be super fast at. This

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00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: but right now we're just trying to get her our.

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00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: Feet weay a little, stretch a couple of, skips if you.

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Speaker 2: Will, yeah that's right.

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00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 3: Right get the hamstring nice and.

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Speaker 2: Loose all.

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Speaker 3: Right so what this is is that you're gonna have forty.

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Speaker 3: Seconds forty. SECONDS i have a topic forty seconds to

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00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 3: convince me one thing or. Another the topic is when

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00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: is the biggest lie about the draft process that everybody

1304
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: seems to? Believe the biggest? Lie are you?

1305
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: Ready? Set? Go?

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00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: Okay the biggest, lie in my, opinion is that this

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00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: is a. Science it is more. Science it is more

1308
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: art than science one hundred. Percent AND i think this

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00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: first segment that we did here in terms of mock draft,

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00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: madness exemplifies that. Perfectly it's like everybody does it a

1311
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: little bit. Differently there's no archetype for the. Position there

1312
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: are rules you try to give, yourself, measurables you try

1313
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: to give, yourself but ultimately sometimes you're just looking for

1314
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: a heck of a. Ballplayer AND i think that's something

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00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: that every year you have to fight right what the establishment,

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00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: says what the science is, saying and what the film

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00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: whats Your heart is telling. You AND i think the

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00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: idea that someone can be number one on your board

1319
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: and number thirty on my board is what makes this

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Speaker 1: parts so.

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Speaker 3: Fun forty one point forty five, seconds we're getting there

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Speaker 3: in the fastest Forty just to follow up on, THAT

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Speaker 3: i actually was listening to The RINGER Nfl Draft show.

1324
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 3: PODCAST i really like those. Guys one of, Them Danny,

1325
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 3: horwitz was here In washington for a little bit of.

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00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: TIME i think he was an intern at one, point but, anyway,

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00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: THERE i like. Them they're fun to listen, to AND

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00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: i listened to as much draft content AS i possibly.

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00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 3: Can one of the things they were talking about is

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00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: just kind of an. Aside is they there's some sort

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00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: of competition that you can enter to guess draft picks

1332
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: right in the first round who's going, where and you

1333
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: get points where if you nail THE exac team and

1334
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 3: the and the spot and you get points where if

1335
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: they were drafted in The frost, round, Right and what

1336
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: they were joking about is that one of the guys

1337
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: forgot to submit it in, time but he was on

1338
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: a flight and he was like looking for something to.

1339
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: Do he was, like, yeah i'll do one real quick thirty,

1340
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 3: minutes knocked one out and he got one wrong and.

1341
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: He would have won the all.

1342
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 3: Thing but the point that they were making is that's

1343
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 3: how unscientific this thing. Is is, like, yeah he studied or,

1344
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: whatever and he just kind of sat down and was

1345
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: like this kind of threw pain at the wall and

1346
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 3: it was A picasso and, like sometimes it looks like

1347
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: my two year old's finger. Painting sometimes it looks Like Jackson.

1348
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: Pollock like we're all just throwing paint.

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00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: At the wall.

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Speaker 1: Here, NO i think that's absolutely. Right and so again

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00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: like that's what this. Show hopefully we can kind of

1352
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: give you some insight on some of that. Stuff and

1353
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: that's why we do this exercise with the Mock Draft

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00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: madness and The fastest forty to got to bring up

1355
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,479
Speaker 1: some topics that we think are relevant to the draft.

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00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: Process they're just important reminders for on that draft night

1357
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: when someone drafts a, name you're, like who the heck is?

1358
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: That it's like that person you know for that, team

1359
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: that person fit the bill of that.

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Speaker 3: Moment thanks for doing this pod with me, Today, Logan

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00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 3: you're my. FRIEND i love painting with you, here AND

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00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: i think today we put together a, nice Beautiful burgundian

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Speaker 3: gold little portrait for our.

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Speaker 2: FANS i, hope hope, SO i hope. So if we did,

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Speaker 2: that please leave a. Comment but that's. It