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Welcome to another episode of the 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Giant Hubtle podcast, all brought to you by psc ANDNG 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Energy Efficiency For game time and anytime, visit PSEG dot 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: com slash Giants for discounts, rebates and home energy assessments. 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: John Schmalk pulled Tatino with you live in Indianapolis for 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: the NFL Combine, and now we're joined by a man 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: that's been coaching in the NFL for a very long time, 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: former offensive coordinator and Super Bowl champion for the New 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: York Football Giants. He is Charlie Weiss, who's now host 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: on the Morning Drive on Sirius x D channel channel. 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: You can hear him with the voice of the Giants 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: Bob pop Up on Sirius XM, so make sure you 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: go check that out. And Charlie a lot to talk 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: about here at the combines. So let's kind of start 17 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: very broadly here. As a coach who understands offensive football 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: as well as anyone, what's the important stuff for you 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: when you came out of here to the combine looking 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: at players and the stuff that you really took out 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: of it as a coach that made it important to you. Well, 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: the interviews, you know, because I don't need to go 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: watch a kid work out in shorts to sit there 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: and tell me too much. I'd rather watch game tape 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: that as a as a coach, that's where you're going 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: to learn about the player. I'm not going to watch 27 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: a quarterback throw routes with some guys that they don't 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: play with and make a determination whoa why I really 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: like this guy or don't like this guy. But you 30 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: get to know them more and I think that's invaluable. 31 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,279 Speaker 1: The one difference between all of us and the guys 32 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: that go interview the players is they know them. We 33 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: know of them, we don't know them. And I think 34 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: that there's a lot too that the inner workings of 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: a of a of a player as a person is 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: characters intelligence. Those are the type of things you can 37 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: get here at the Combine. Okay, you just made my 38 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: first question for me, Charlie, because I'm going to ask you, 39 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: maybe who were two of the three most interesting interviews 40 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: you've done at the Combine And if it's so interesting 41 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: that you don't want to tell us their name. That's okay, 42 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: but I've got to ask that now that you opened 43 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: up that can worm. Okay, I'll give you a pro 44 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: and a con. And with the pro, i'll give the name. 45 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: With a con, I won't give the name. So here's 46 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: a pro, Antoine randol ll remember the name an so 47 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: At RANDOLLL. So he walks into our meeting room at 48 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: the Combine at the old train station when they had 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: at the train station. He comes in for his fifteen minute, 50 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: fifteen minute interview and we hand him a hat, which 51 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: was a Super Bowl champion hat. So he gets the 52 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: hat and he goes, Now that's what I'm talking about. 53 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: That that's how the interview starts. Now here's a guy 54 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: who is a quarterback at IU that we were going 55 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: to convert to a wide receiver. But like right off 56 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: the bat, he won the room. He took over the room. 57 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: And how many these guys you think take over the 58 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: room in fifteen minutes. None of them. So he was 59 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: he was an exception to that rule on a negative one. 60 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 1: I was meeting with a tight end and I'll leave 61 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: the school out of this and I'll leave the player 62 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: out of this. But he had gotten thrown out of 63 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: school that year for setting off a multough cocktail in 64 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: his dorm. What seriously, So he's at he's at the time. 65 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 1: SU's that. Yeah, SU's at the combine. So I said something, So, 66 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: tell me, did you get thrown out of school? You know, 67 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: I asked him that question. He goes, yeah, I did. 68 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: And I said, how would you even know that? How 69 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: would you even know how to make one? And he goes, 70 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: what would you like to know? And I said I So, 71 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: I said yeah, sure. So then he starts to legitimately 72 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: answer that question, tell me how you make a bomb? 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: And I said, time out, time out. I don't really 74 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: want to know. I don't really want to know. So 75 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: I kind of wrapped up the interview. And you already 76 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: said he's off our board. You know. I don't know 77 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: about other teams, but we're certainly not taking And the 78 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: kid ended up getting drafted, drafted in the fifth round 79 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: and the draft and ended up playing in the league 80 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: for a little while. I would be like, why do 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: you think it was a good idea to light up him? Intelligence? 82 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: Amazing again, my new jersey and upbringing. I said, well, 83 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: tell me how you do this? Sarcastically figuring he wasn't 84 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: gonna tell me, and there he starts telling me how 85 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: you do it is a timeout. I really don't need 86 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,559 Speaker 1: to know. I really don't want to know. Go ahead, 87 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: and you know we wrapped it up and we moved on. 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: So how deep have you, you know, done your dive 89 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: into some of these prospects, especially on you know, the 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: offensive side of the bull quarterbacks, receivers out. Yeah, I've 91 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: spent more time on the quarterbacks so far. I'm always 92 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: ahead on the quarterbacks and the receivers. I was just 93 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: having this conversation a couple of minutes ago before I 94 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: came over here, because I was going over you know, 95 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: a half dozen of them or so that you know 96 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: that everyone wants to talk about. I said, what people 97 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: don't factor in is not only how good the players 98 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: are and would they fit your system, but the other 99 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: thing they don't factor in is how ready are they 100 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: to play. So if you're going to take a guy 101 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: in the first round of the draft relatively high in 102 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: today's world, that means he's going to play as quickly 103 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: as you could play. He might not start right off 104 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: the bat, but he's going to play relatively quickly. So 105 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: which guys are playing in systems that prepare a guy 106 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: like an NFL player. So I take Bryce Young for example, 107 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: Billy O'Brien was as offensive coordinator. Nick Saban was his 108 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: head coach. Okay, so forget about everything else. We talked 109 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: about his size, we you know, we talked about injury concerns, 110 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: like how many guys in the draft have an NFL 111 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator that was your coordinator and Nick Saban is 112 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: your head coach. One. So to me, when I'm looking 113 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: at all those quarterbacks, there's him and then there's the rest. 114 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: You know. So now that doesn't mean those other guys 115 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: aren't good, But I mean most of those guys stood 116 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage and the offensive coordinator called 117 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: to play everyone at the side. Everyone's looking at him. 118 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: So they got him line, they looked over, got helped 119 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: get everyone lined up. Then what do you want me 120 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: to play? Or what do you want me to do? Now? 121 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: Some of them had a check off plays, you know, 122 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: more than others. But a lot of these guys, when 123 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: you bring them in, you put them in a huddle, 124 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: it's the first time they were in the huddle, sure, 125 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: or the first time you put them under center. They 126 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: were never under center. So you know, I think that 127 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: if you're going to take a guy early in the draft, 128 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: you know you don't want to be spending a lot 129 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: of time just teach him how to call playing that 130 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: you want them to be able to run the whole operation. 131 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: So for you, we're a big red flag at Anthony Richardson, 132 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: then no, I'm just no, I'm saying for me, it's 133 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: not a red flag. It's just not a guy that 134 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: I would want to take. Understand, I got you. But 135 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: but Charlie, from a pro coach's perspective, because in Banks 136 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: by the way, La Carl Banks likes to call those 137 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: guys to just add water guys, by the way, you 138 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: who have that old pro system in style already ingrained 139 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: in him. But for a pro coach who's sitting down 140 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: in one of these interviews and he knows it's not 141 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: a just add water player, knowing that there's not a 142 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: lot of patience these days and coaches can get fired 143 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: very quickly, what is the pro coach's mentality when talking 144 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: to a player like that, knowing he's going to have 145 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: to be patient and have to give that guy a 146 00:07:55,080 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: lot of time. It depends on the head coach's job status. 147 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: I hate to be honest, but it does answer at 148 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: the head. You know, you take a team that the 149 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: head coach's job sadist is in question. You want to 150 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: take a risk on a guy like that because you 151 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: might not be there. You might you might be getting 152 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: you might be training them for somebody else. Okay, Now, 153 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: if you have good your job saddus is secure. So 154 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: he's you're taking somebody like that, sure, because now you 155 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: could groom him to be the guy rather than just 156 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: have to throw him in there. How about wide receivers? Um, 157 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: we see you talk about quarterbacks not coming from pro systems, right. 158 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: I look at two wide receivers in this draft. You know, 159 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: Jalen Hiltt comes from Tennessee where there's so much space 160 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: with the way they spread the field with the hashes 161 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: and just good. He's really good. But you know he 162 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: doesn't run the full route tree and he's kind of 163 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: a speA guy than you, Quentin Johnson. You know the 164 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: history of big toll wide receivers is not awesome, and 165 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: he's getting more of a goal route stock he's really 166 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: good at. Isn't why I'm asking a question, right, So 167 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: they're really good. So if you're a team, how much 168 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: do you trust your staff and your wide receivers coach 169 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: to turn these guys that are really good into NFL 170 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: wide receivers that can do everything you need them to do? 171 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: And do you have to consider that a process? So 172 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: maybe you only use them what they're good at early 173 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: and then you expand them as they go along. All right, well, 174 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: I'll give you two parts of that question. Number one, 175 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: those Ohio state wide receivers that played in the league 176 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: last year, those two rookie wide RESI pretty good. That's 177 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: the same thing for them, and how they do They're 178 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: only the best two wide receivers the rookie class in 179 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: the league, so you know, so that's that refutes that argument. 180 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: On the other hand, I remember going to a workout 181 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: from this guy by the name of Terrell Owens. There 182 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: was a University of Tennessee at Chattanooga, and I was 183 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: there for his workout, and who was about seventeen of 184 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: us there for this workout because it was only gonna 185 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: be one workout and you weren't going back there for 186 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: another workout. And I went there for the workout and 187 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: he couldn't run any routes. I mean, he was a big, 188 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: strong guy who's athletic. He could do everything. He couldn't 189 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: run around. How did that work out? I think pretty good. 190 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: So I mean, so I'm showing you both sides of defense. 191 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: You can't have preconceived notion. If it guy's got got 192 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: very good athletic skills. It goes back to trace you 193 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: can figure out, you can figure out how to move 194 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: forward with them. Okay, supplemental question to that, we all 195 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: know the Giants need help in the wide receiver room. 196 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: They were hurt a lot last year. They certainly need 197 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: some big play guys, Charlie. We were told by Joe Shane, 198 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: the general manager, and his media availability yesterday that separation 199 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: is the number one quality that he wants to see 200 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: in a wide receiver and basically the rest of it 201 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: isn't as important because Brian Dable will find out how 202 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: to use a guy who can get separation. From your 203 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: perspective as a guy who was an offensive coordinator, how 204 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: would you try to construct the rest of this Giant's 205 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: wide receiver room knowing that Wandale Robinson and Isaiah Hodgens 206 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: or at least going to be part of it. Well, 207 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: there's two different ways of getting separation. One way of 208 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: getting separation is just you're you're faster or you're more 209 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: athletic than the guy you're going against. The other way 210 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: is using your physicality. So there's two different styles that 211 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: you were talking about here. I remember when we went 212 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: to the Jets. You know, we went to the Jets 213 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: and Keishaan Johnson had just had his rookie year and 214 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: there was a lot of plays when I watched from 215 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: his first year where he was it's like glue. So 216 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: here's a big, physical, strong guy that we added a 217 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: few things to his repertoire to using his physicality to 218 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: help create separation. So creating separation is one issue, because 219 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: there's more than one way to get separation. So now 220 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: assuming that whether it's a big physical guy getting separation 221 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: or whether it's a really athletic guy, you know, getting separation, 222 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: either one of those guys, as long as you have 223 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: a guy that you know can can get off get 224 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: off the you know, can create some open space for 225 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: the quarterback. The quarterbacks in the NFL don't need as 226 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: big open spaces as those kids in college too, you know. 227 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: And how many times do we watch games where you 228 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: say that's a small window. That's a small window. Well, 229 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: those quarter gap backs are getting paid a lot of 230 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: money to throw the ball into those small windows. So 231 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: I think you'll have plenty opportunity. And the great thing 232 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: about the draft is you can take really good ones 233 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: early in the draft, but you could still find really 234 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: good ones as the draft matriculates. You still can find 235 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: guys to can that fit that bill. And I think 236 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: if you go into the draft knowing that that's one 237 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: area you want to help yourself, you'll be able to 238 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: help yourself because there's plenty of options. Sometimes you run 239 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: out of candidates, receivers usually not one of them. Okay, 240 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: let me ask you this because you just mentioned about 241 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: the kinds of separation or the styles that you can 242 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: used to get it. Speed. Guys, they got the speed. 243 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: But in terms of how easy is it to coach 244 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: separation to a physical guy like you just mentioned Keyshawn Johnson, 245 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: how hard is that to do? Well, it's really not 246 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: that hard to do. No, not that hard to how 247 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: to teach them how to get how to get open 248 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: if that's what you're asking, I mean, I'm not talking 249 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: about getting open by five yards now, but you don't 250 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: need five yards. But you you have to teach them 251 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: how to use their body and their hands and they're arms. 252 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever heard of a block release? 253 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Probably not, I could tell by look on your face. Okay, 254 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: so here's a block release. You got a guy up 255 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: in your face. He's jamming you, so I know. Okay, 256 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: So instead of trying to go to the inside or 257 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: give them a little juke, what happens when you run 258 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: right off and hit them right in the face. You 259 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: just go through them and create Okay, Well, now they're 260 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: backing up because normally they're stepping forward. Now all of 261 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: a sudden, you got them on the defensive right instead 262 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: of them attacking you, you were acronym. So now you've 263 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: already gained control. Now your next move whatever happens now, 264 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: whether you throw them okay, whether you slap them, whether 265 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: you rip them, or whether you just take them and 266 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: just manhandle them, you're already open. Okay, there you go. 267 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: I want to continue keating this on the giants. Then, Charlie, 268 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: A lot of people will talk about them trying to 269 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: get more weapons for Daniel Jones makes sense. Wide receiver 270 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: end of the first round. Great, would you consider looking 271 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: at the tight ends in the straft at that spot too. 272 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: I know Brian Davel and Mike Halfca come from systems 273 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: that were primarily eleven personnel. They had Daniel Bellinger last year, 274 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: but the way the NFL's trending now, with these tight 275 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: ends being such big weapons in the passing game, would 276 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: that be a consideration for you to help Daniel adding 277 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: a more receiving leaning tight end instead of a wide receiver. Well, Brian, 278 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: remember had multiple years coaching tight ends with the Patriot right. 279 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean, so if you don't think he has an 280 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: affinity towards you're wrong. And we use plenty of twelve people, 281 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: which we used to call Detroit, which I don't know 282 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: whether they call Detroit or not, but we used to 283 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: use plenty of twelve people in the past. So it 284 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me at all if if the right tight 285 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: end came along, if they went ahead and jumped on them. 286 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you about Daniel Jones and 287 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: say Quon Barkley in a combo question. Giants are trying 288 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: to retain both players. They've made that very clear from 289 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: your offensive coordinator's perspective. How important is it for those 290 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: two guys to stay together because they seemed to feed 291 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: off each other. They made each other better over the 292 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: course of this last season. I think that I hate 293 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: to say this, but the quarterback is always way more 294 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: important than the running back, no doubt. It's not close 295 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: for a second. So the first thing you have to 296 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: do is you have to secure the quarterback. So they're 297 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: going to secure the quarterback. So one or two things 298 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: is going to happen. Either's going to sign a multi 299 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: year contract or as they're going to tag him. That's 300 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: just the way it's gonna be. And then so there'll 301 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: be a trickle down effect with say Quad, there'll be 302 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: a trickle down effect. Now they're trying to do contracts 303 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: with both of them right now, right, they'd rather not 304 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: use a tag on either one of them, but they 305 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: much rather if they had their druthers, they much rather 306 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: tag sae Quon because the only cost ten million dollars. 307 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: Sure you know, then cost thirty two thirty two million dollars. 308 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: Now Daniel is going to make more than thirty two 309 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: million dollars a year over the next five years, but 310 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: he might not this year. This year that might be. 311 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: He might say, well, look at I want, Oh, look 312 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: at I don't know what he wants. We've all we've 313 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: all read the stories. You know he wants forty five million. 314 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: We've we don't we don't know, you know, unless unless 315 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: you're his agent, his new agent by the way, So 316 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: unless you're the agent, or unless you're Joe and meaning 317 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: Joe Shing, we don't know what they really want. But 318 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the Giants would like 319 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: both those players to be on the team. But if 320 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: neither one of them will do a contract and you 321 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: only can tag one, you have to tag the quarterback. 322 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: And if that means you end up losing the sea que, 323 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: which no one wants to do, right, But if it 324 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: means you have losing seque, you'll lose sque. How much 325 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: of an impediment do you think that would be? Though 326 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: d Daniel Jones has continued growth, if he had to 327 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: start with a new running back, potentially even a draft 328 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: choice running back, Yeah, but that's true with everybody. I mean, 329 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: it's just you know, there's a state of flux in 330 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: the league. I mean, with as much money as quarterbacks 331 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: are getting paid and as much of the salary cap 332 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: quarterbacks take from right now. I mean, there's got to 333 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: be priorities. And I mean that's a rhetorical question you 334 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: just asked me, because everyone knows that you'd rather have 335 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: him than not he doubt. But if you don't have him, 336 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: you don't have him. You know what it would be 337 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: like Belichick coming into me and saying, well, you have 338 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: this guy, but you don't have that guy. Okay, if 339 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: you're waiting for a reaction, you're not going to get one, 340 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: because whatever it is, it is. I mean, what are 341 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: you gonna sit there and say, no, that's not the 342 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: way I want it. Whoever, whatever cards you got, that's 343 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: the card you got, you know, So it's you know, 344 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: it's just it's not as hard as you guys make 345 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: it sound. You know, once to once you you got 346 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: to set a card, you go ahead and play them. Now, 347 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if somebody hands you a joker 348 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: over there, you know that, you know, all of a sudden, 349 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: the joker comes walking through the door. You change, You 350 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: change what you got in your in your deck right there, 351 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: you make, you make a couple of tweaks, and you 352 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: keep that poker face because you can keep it that's 353 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: a little wrinkled to what we have right there, and 354 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: you go ahead and change accordingly. It's you know, hey, 355 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: it depends on the style of play. You know, the 356 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: Giants this year one playing complimentary football. That's the game 357 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: that I'm very familiar with, no doubt, complimentary football. But 358 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: in today's game, not very many teens play complimentary found 359 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: It's offense tries to score as many points as they 360 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: can and the defense tries to survive. Yeah, they hold on. Yeah, 361 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: that's that's that's the game we're playing in now. Yeah, 362 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: I think we saw that in the Super Bowl right 363 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: between the Eagles and the Chiefs. Well, neither one want 364 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: to influence, want to influence exactly. So as someone that 365 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: evaluates quarterbacks, you know, for for a living, just getting 366 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: the year overall evaluation of Daniel, where you think he improved, 367 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: what do you think he's really good at, and where 368 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: you think maybe the next step would come for him? Well, 369 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: I just thought he too made such a huge step 370 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: from last year that this year of taking care of 371 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: the football. I mean that was I watched him and said, 372 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: how can you have this guy? I mean, every time 373 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: you're turning around, he's fumble one and if he's not 374 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: fun when he's throwing an interception, it was tough, you know. So, uh, 375 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: you'd like to have bigger numbers as far as touchdowns. 376 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: You like the ratio with three to one, fifteen to five. 377 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: You like that ratio, But you'd like to have more touchdowns. 378 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: But it would help when you have better guys to 379 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: throw too, too, and better guys blocking, and all that 380 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: other stuff comes into play, but they all kind of 381 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: grow together. So if you're asking me, you know, what 382 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: I liked the most about him was his improve of 383 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: ball security. I thought that that was the most significant 384 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: step that he took. Now, the question, the question is 385 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, and I listen. I followed the giants as 386 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: you guys know, I follow the giants. And there is 387 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: a walk away number. There is a number where you say, look, 388 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: we're not pay we're not paying you that. But it 389 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be this year, right, because that's what 390 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: the tag number. This year is a very reasonable number 391 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: to be dealing with. It's a very you know, it's 392 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: it's not a through the roof number. It's a very 393 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: reasonable number. Really, that decision might be more for next 394 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: year than it is for this year by one more. Yeah, 395 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: you know, Charlie about the defense. You guys are reaching 396 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: here now you're just you're just looking to come up 397 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: with more questions. J We could talk about the old 398 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: days for five hours, trust me, I want really, I 399 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: did want to ask you. I did want to ask 400 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: you about Wink Martin. Yeah, I'm shocked down again an 401 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: eighties questions out of That's all right, that's all right, 402 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: because I know our audience wants to you about this 403 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: current Giants team. I want to ask you about Wink Martindale. 404 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: I think it was a bit much bigger loss, as 405 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: much as a nice job KLFT has done with Brian 406 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: being an offensive guy. If Kafka would have got a 407 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: head coaching job and left, it wouldn't have been nearly 408 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: a big as big a blow as Wink leaving. Yeah, 409 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: if Wink would have gotten a job, because you know, 410 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: now you totally the mentality from you know, from Patrick Graham, 411 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: who I love, by the way, But Patrick Gamm leaves, 412 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: Wink comes in. They change the style of how they play. 413 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: They made a lot of progress. They're far from a 414 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: polished machine, but they made a lot of progress. I 415 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: think that if you lost your defensive coordinator and had 416 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: to start over again with another defensive coordinator. That would 417 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: have been a bigger blow to the Giant organization to 418 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: have a polished, veteran guy. I when you're when you're 419 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: a head coach that wants to run run the team, 420 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: but you're expertise's offense, and you could hire a polished 421 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: guy on the other side of the ball that's a veteran. 422 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: It just it just works very well. Wacky to have him. Absolutely, 423 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: I just realized that we're like in trolley Weiss landing. 424 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: He got the Jets in front of us. We have 425 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: the Patriots behind us. Here. This is like the trolley 426 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: Weiss circle area of the last time I checked, there 427 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: was no going away party for Weiss with the Giants. 428 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: They couldn't get rid of me fast enough. The Jets 429 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: it was faster than that and the Patriots. I worked 430 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: here for nine years. I'm still waiting for my going 431 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: away party. And by the way, you're welcome frond of 432 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: having Lance on the show today. Happy to help you 433 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: on that front. I think he would measure well at 434 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: the combine. By the way, he would fail that the 435 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: high test. I'm not saying anything derogatory. You guys. The 436 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: bait is there. The bait is there. You're just you're 437 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: just begging for me to say something. And I've learned, 438 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: as I've mellowed and got older, to take the high road, 439 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: So I'll take the high road. Well, Lance is never 440 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: on the high road, so it makes sense that that 441 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: that's the road you would take. Charlie, weis you. Thank 442 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: you for joining us at the Giants on the podcast. Charlie, 443 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: great stuff. We really appreciate it. Checking out on airing 444 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: it out on Sirius XM for Paul Datino. I'm John 445 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: smulcol for Charlie. We'll see you next time.