WEBVTT - Sarah McLachlan 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.840 This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:06.440 can visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.840 while you're there. Hi, I'm Nora Jones. Today I'm playing 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:18.560 along with Sarah mcgloughlin. I'm just playing lo Wey. I'm 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.439 just playing lone Wey. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:25.520 Hi, I'm Nora Jones. 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.720 Welcome to the show with me, as always is Sarah Oda. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.640 Here we are Yay. Today we have a very special 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:37.920 guest because I fangirled out like eighteen year olds Nora, 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.479 it was my little baby self. On this episode, we 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:43.479 have have. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:50.159 The legendary Sara Sarah McLaughlin, Grammy winning singer songwriter who 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.640 has an unmistakable voice that certainly left an impression on 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:58.240 our generation, but also has connected listeners across all generations. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.320 She also founded Lilith Fair in nineteen ninety seven, bringing 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.400 women artists together on one stage, and she continues to 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.839 inspire and uplift with her artistry and activism. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.840 There's a great doc out now on Lilith Fair that 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.360 you should check out. It's pretty awesome. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.800 Her new album Better Broken just came out in September. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.160 That means you talk, Oh yes, we do. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:25.440 Some songs from that album. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.240 They're really beautiful, and it was fun to catch her 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.640 before she goes on tour because she hasn't really performed 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.280 them live that much, so it was really special to 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.680 sort of get to be there and play them with her. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:37.680 Very cool. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.440 Yeah, she said she was very connected to those songs 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.680 right now. So yeah, in this episode, you're going to 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:44.880 hear about the challenge of losing a voice on tour. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.040 You're going to hear about her music school programs, and 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.200 also about the Lilith Fair documentary which just came out 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.960 as well, and as always, there's beautiful music on the way, 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.600 some new songs, and then for me personally, a nineties 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.480 dream come true for me as well. 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.520 Yes, yes, I got to sing one of my faves 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.919 with one of my faves. It was awesome. She's a 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.560 delight and we loved hanging with her and having her 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.360 on the show. I loved getting to connect with her 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.960 in this way because we've met once, but we've never 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.400 really got to hang out much. So here she is 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.560 Sarah McLaughlin. There is some spicy language in this episode, 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.079 so listener discretion is advised. It's not that bad, but 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.280 just so you know it's there. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.400 True to comes. It's for. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:58.399 The witch. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:01.440 Game, and. 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.120 I'm running ragged through the maze. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:12.519 I know the heart. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:19.120 It's a tricky bee snacks Coo famrad spirit. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.040 Of the name. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.919 Lose you, robs your blind and leaves you bleating on 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:26.680 the street. 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:32.360 Where are you out? As arms surround you. 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:40.840 And a wee spering you here, saying everything's gonna be 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:45.480 all right, eatling if it's not. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:53.800 Because you're roly human, you can only take so much 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.040 before it break. 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.880 When you feel like you're drowning alone, and the way 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.760 escape on coming, and all you. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:10.520 And the circle goes round and round and round till. 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:11.680 You can't breathe. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.320 That night you cannot see. 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:27.000 Under these rooms ease prison holds it A stumbled through 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.320 some many times before. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:35.760 To find the devil lurking just behind the door. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:46.160 I don't pretend to understand the Rosie walk till you 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:47.560 see your stay. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:52.640 In the day, want to tried or left some of 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.080 the burdens that. 0:04:54.320 --> 0:05:02.520 You bear, and all you own his arms and we 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:04.760 spiney read. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.120 Saying everything's gonna. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:17.919 Be already, even if it's not. Because you're all only human, 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.520 you can only take so much before we break. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:25.599 And you feel like. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:30.800 You're trowling alone, and the wate keep on coming out 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:36.800 the time, and the circle goes round and round and 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.000 round until you can't breathe. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:53.760 But that's not you cannot see. That's right, you cannot see. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:01.920 So beautiful. 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:03.480 Thank you, that's so pretty. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:06.840 Thank you for let me sing with you. 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.440 I love I love that we got to do that together. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:14.160 I literally have done this twice live two months ago. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.480 Okay, Yeah, I love this song. And when I was 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.560 listening to the new album, I was like, the harmonies 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:19.120 are beautiful. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:19.600 Thank you. 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.320 Have you always done your own harmonies on record pretty much? 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.000 Yeah? I mean I harmonized to everything. Yeah, listening to 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.159 anything on the radio in the car, I just instantly 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:29.760 go to the third or the fifth or the fourth, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.760 or you know, try and find another place because I 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:33.839 just I want to sing with everything. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:34.840 Yeah, I get it. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:40.000 But you have really interesting harmony in the way you play. 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:41.719 You use a lot of seconds. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.919 Yeah, sort of. I like a little bit of dissonance. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:44.600 I like that. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.600 And it's not so pretty, I mean, because it's it's 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:48.600 as you said, it was really pretty and it is 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.880 and I'm really drawn to that, but I like there 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:52.800 needs to be some rubs. 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:53.840 Where does that come from? 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:54.160 What? What? 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:54.480 Like? 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.039 How did you learn music? I don't even know your history. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.040 Well, I started out with you giallely when I was 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.120 four years old. Yeah, because I basically I wanted to 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.560 be Joan Biass. My mom, Yeah, my mom listened. She 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.919 had a couple records, Joe by Ass, Kat, Steven Simon, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.960 and Garfunkle. So American folk was what I was steeped on, 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.280 you know, and that's what I grew up with. And 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.240 so I got a ukulele when I was four. And 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.800 then we moved to the big city, and I started 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.360 taking classical guitar lessons because that was kind of the 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.200 only thing that was available to be taught. Then moved 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.920 from that. I kept taking guitar. Then I started taking piano, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.000 and it took opera for a couple of years, which 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.760 so was not my cupite. But you know, it's like, oh, 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.120 you sing, you want to sing, let's give you some 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.560 singing lessons, And honestly, it did nothing but screw me up. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.400 I almost took classical, like opera. I was kind of 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.520 dabbling in that when I was in high school, and 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.720 I was afraid that it would train me the wrong way. 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:48.600 I feel like it kind of did. I actually, really 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.800 I had to unlearn some things because one of them 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.880 they taught you to stand really rigidly, and they mentioned 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.160 the diaphragm. But I was, you know, I'm really good 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.200 at faking stuff. I can mimic pretty much anything, so 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.840 I would just pretend to be an opera singer and 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.480 they didn't really teach me anything. They just it was about, 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.040 you know, staying in tune and had it hitting all 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:12.120 those notes. But I was stiff because of it. I 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.480 actually had to remind myself to loosen up. That was 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.560 one of the very first things when I started working 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.680 with a vocal court coach. After I blew my voice 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:22.800 out on my first tour. She's like, okay, I just 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.320 sang for her. She goes, go run around the block 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:26.600 as fast as you can and come back. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:27.320 Are you serious? 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.000 So I sprinted around the block, came back panting, and 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:31.640 she says, light out on the floor. So I lay 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.719 it on the floor. She goes now sing that same part. 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.040 I'm like, everything was working, My diaphragm was open, my 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:41.679 lungs were opening up, and I just loosened. I was loose, like, oh, 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:43.520 that's how I'm supposed to do. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.360 That's so cool. One of my favorite albums is Surfacing, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:49.599 and I have a story to tell you later about that. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.760 But you really seem to be drawn to these weird 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.240 sounds as well on the recordings, Like I don't even 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.960 know if they're sense or they don't sound like typical sense, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.880 but whatever they are, they're very like organic but electronic. 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:04.319 Yeah, where does that come from? 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:05.080 Again? 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:09.120 Trying to create a soundscape that pulls you away from 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.640 that sort of traditional prettiness, because you know that's where 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:18.559 I go. That's my that's my comfort, beautiful melodies, harmonies, 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.040 but it's it's often very pretty. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:25.199 I can relate, yeah, because it's the piano singer girl exactly. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:26.640 And I love that. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:27.079 Yeah. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.160 But I you know, when you think about why I 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.400 love production, why I love going in the studio, there's 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.280 an elevation that happens when you bring other musicians together 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.679 and they create and bring colors to it that you 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.839 wouldn't be able to think of on your own. That's 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.200 why you collaborate. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.079 Totally, and I why not use it all? 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.800 So why not utilize that? And you know it it's 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.400 sort of a sometimes a singular argument because I have 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.240 so many people say I just want to hear you 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.199 play and sing on the piano and to go. Do 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.480 you understand how boring that gets for me as a listener, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.559 Like I need I need some dissonance, I need some 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.040 I need something to rub up against that came out 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:09.920 the wrong. Yeah, there needs to be a conflict in there. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.160 It's also just it's more fun playing with others totally. Yeah, 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.040 because you never know what they're gonna come up with 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.360 that makes you come up with something different. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.199 Yeah, it's it's a conversation that continues to happen every 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.720 time you work together, every time you're experimenting and trying 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.640 something different. It's like that's where the magic happens. Totally. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.760 Do you have a tour coming up? 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:32.000 I sure do. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:33.000 Yeah. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.040 I actually had to cancel my tour last year. I 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.079 got a wicked virus right at the onset of my 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.760 I was doing this thirtieth anniversary filming tour Secstasy Tour. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.280 I did it in America. I blew out my voice. Wow, 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.640 I just you know, I came on hot, like rehearsing 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.880 seven hours a day, going right into the shows and 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.880 kind of did some damage. So on steroids the entire tour. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.800 Oh god, and you often put yourself in a bit 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:01.839 of a false sense of security with those. And I 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.480 did more damage on tour, and then I took the 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.000 summer off thinking that that would be enough to recuperate. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:09.360 And then I went back out in the fall and 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.280 got a wicked virus like day two and lost my 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.640 voice completely and it was gone for three months. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:15.880 That's insane. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.240 I went into E and T got scope and they're 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.439 worried I wouldn't come back. Oh yeah, I spent the 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.640 whole I spent most of the winter on vocal rest, 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:23.679 like I wasn't on the talk. 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:25.199 Which is how did that? 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.679 Really challenging? And I was lucky I'd finished almost all 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.959 the vocals for the record, but I went through this 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.480 last winter thinking oh, I might not be able to 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.480 sing this album, which was you know, I'm very lucky. 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:44.760 I have a lot of things that bring me joy 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.440 in my life, but I am to a large degree 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.080 defined in my own sense of self around my voice 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.040 and being able to sing and using that as a 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:56.920 you know, a form of expression. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:58.080 Super powered. 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.959 Well yeah, I mean it was. I was pretty bommed 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.360 thinking that it might be gone. But I just you know, 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.559 you have to think positively. So I did everything the 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:05.240 doctor told. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:05.360 Me to do. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.080 I sound terribly hoarse right now because I've been talking 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.600 for the last seven days straight, which isn't the greatest 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.760 thing for a singer, but it is back. I got 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.480 it back. I got a clean bill of health, and 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.679 I did all the vocal rehab and everything, and I'm 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.280 going back out to do the same tour that I 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.280 didn't do last year, starting on the exact same date, 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.560 almost October fifteenth, but with a new album. Well yeah, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:30.280 and so for me, it's like, oh, this is a 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.360 great opportunity, a soft launch. I'm going to do the 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.320 fumbling tour, but I'm going to add in not all 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.560 of but a few of the new songs. I'm fully 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.400 aware that people, you know, aren't familiar with this material 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.760 and they want the old stuff, and they're paying good 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.160 money to come see me, so I'm going to give 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:45.559 them what I want. But yeah, I'm also going to 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.280 do a little bit of what I want as well. 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.480 You could just do a balance, you do, try to 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:49.960 do balance. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.240 I'll probably do four new songs. Okay, it's a two 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:54.839 and a half hour show, so oh yeah, they're just 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:55.640 going to have to put up with it. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.400 They're going to be happy. They're beautiful songs. Oh yeah, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.680 that's such a balance, trying to trying to do. 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:02.880 What you think people want. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.920 But also yeah, I mean I'm not getting stale, you know, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.880 lucky that I for the most part, I still really 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.280 love all these songs. Like I'm not sick of them yet. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.520 That's great. Yeah, yeah, I mean you should be proud 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:15.240 of them, you know. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.640 I am, you know, But I don't know about you, But, like, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:21.320 you know, the older stuff, for me, I have less 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.520 of an attachment to and less sort of an association. Yes, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.559 and if it feels disingenuous to sing it, if I 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.000 don't feel attached to it. 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.040 Do you want to try the other song from the 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:31.600 new record? 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:32.280 Yeah? 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:33.120 What was the other song? 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:33.559 We go? 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.520 I think we talked about doing better broken? This is 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.560 also the title try. Okay, has it been a while 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:40.839 since you released an album? 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.040 Eleven years? That feels like a well timed eleven years 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:45.600 since since new material? 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:46.040 Yeah. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.120 So I did a Christmas record maybe six or seven 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.439 years ago, because I had a two album contract on 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.079 my last It's usually. 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:53.760 White people do Christmas. 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:59.000 It's like hmm, shall I press easy button? Yeah? Yes, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.600 all the song's already written. It is great, but yeah, 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.400 eleven years since new material. And I mean, I've been busy. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.160 I raised two totally daughters. I've just dropped off my 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.960 little one at university weeks ago. Yeah, so I'm an 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:11.520 empty nester. 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:12.520 How does that feel? 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.160 Well, I haven't been home, so I think I'm okay. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.920 You're busy, honestly busy enough. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.400 I mourned it for probably the last six months before 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:25.400 she left. We're super tight, and honestly, every time anybody 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:30.480 brought it up to me, I started leaking like okay, like, 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.000 oh my god, I'm going to be such a mess. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.960 But I think when you know something is coming, you 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.080 can kind of. I was kind of grieving it along 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:37.400 the way. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:38.360 And then when I. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.560 Got there and I moved her in and she was 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.400 so ready and so excited, and I walked downstairs said 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:46.440 I've got to go. I got to go get on 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.440 the plane and go home, and she's like, I got this, Mom, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.240 I'm good. And I said, well, then I'm good too, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:55.640 and gave her a big HUGHESSID, I'll see you in 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.920 a couple of weeks because I'm going to La in 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.920 a couple of days. So it's been like, you know, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.400 month and then it's not like a year. It's not 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.400 And you know, I think in the winter when I'm 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.960 home by myself and it's a big old house and 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.720 you know, there's not the noise of her music or 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.680 just she's a big presence. Like, yeah, I'll definitely I'll 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.920 miss her, and I already miss her. But here's the 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.160 other cool thing, Like she facetimes me almost every day. 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.000 Oh that's great, so she misses me. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.120 But it's not like I want to come home, yeah 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:22.480 miss you. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.600 It was just like, hi, Mom, how are you? Yeah, okay, 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.080 but I gotta go. Yeah, just check it in And 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.400 I'm sure that will lessen over time. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.360 But it's such an interesting dynamic. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:32.040 Yeah. 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.760 Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm so grateful that I 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.560 kind of semi retired like COVID happened, and it was 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.320 as awful as it was, it was in some ways 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.400 a gift for me to just be able to slow 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.520 down and realize how introverted I actually am. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.080 Yeah, it's a funny thing. 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.760 Yeah, And it's just I was like, okay, I'm just 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:52.520 just going to be a mom I've got a couple 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.520 of years left. I really want to enjoy this. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:54.960 Yeah. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.400 My youngest also is a big dancer, so I was 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.960 full on dance mom, all the hair and makeup till 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.760 about fourteen when she's like, no, I got it moment. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:04.560 Yeah. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.840 And I was fundraising off the side of my desk too, 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.800 form my free music schools, and I'm very actively involved 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.880 in those, so, and I was continuing to tour a 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.080 little bit, so writing just it kind of took a 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.920 backseat for chunk years. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.960 So but it probably doesn't feel like that long to you. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:21.440 It does doesn't. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.080 Yeah, that's the thing I think people think people have 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:28.200 a perception of that between album things being much different 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:29.360 than the person. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.000 Yeah, because they're they're on the outside just waiting for 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.120 the new material or waiting for something new, and. 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:35.920 We're you know, it's like what have you been doing? 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.240 What have I been doing? 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.200 We're busy living our lives, gaining experience, gaining hopefully some 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:45.800 wisdoms so that we can write and have some perspective 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.480 and feel like we have something to say. So bet 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.480 or broken. Yeah, this is the title track. Actually this 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:51.360 is fourteen years old. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:52.160 Really. Yeah. 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:53.760 It was a song that was meant to go on 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.120 my last record, and I think I didn't have a 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.680 bridge at the time, and kind of we ran out 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.080 of times, so I just archived it. And then when 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.399 we were thinking about material for this new record, I 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.560 sort of was I had seven songs about a really 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.320 ugly breakup that I went through, and that was like, 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.640 you know, six or seven years ago. When I pulled 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.120 them back out and I realized that, A they weren't 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.520 that good and b Oh my god, I don't want 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.280 to give that any energy. I'm so over it. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.560 Now you're glad you got it out of your body. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:24.600 I got it out of my body. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:24.920 Done. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.600 It was good therapy to write those songs, but nobody 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:28.360 needs to hear them. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.840 Yeah, well that's good. I feel like that's a good 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.400 self awareness. The self editing is not always Yeah, people 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:36.240 aren't always good at that. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.159 No. Well, I mean, unfortunately, it meant I didn't have 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.560 enough material for the record, But I you know, getting 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.320 into the studio creativity be gets more creativity, and it 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.479 was easy to There was a bunch of other ideas 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.720 that just kind of you know, came to fruition quite 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.320 quickly being in that kind of environment. But better Broken 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.680 was yeah, the very first song, and it's funny that 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.680 it ended up being the title track and the title 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.280 of the record. But it kind of is really apt, 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.159 you know, for getting to fifty seven. You know, all 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.320 the challenges and struggles that we all face as humans. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.439 Loss of both my parents and my brother to cancer, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.399 you know, disastrous failed marriage and relationships, you know, and 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:22.119 challenges with my children like normal things. Look, I'm really 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.720 I'm lucky and blessed. I live this ridiculous life because 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.960 of music. But you know, we still you have a 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.480 lot of hard shit we have to deal with, and 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.880 it's all relative. So having music has been an incredible 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:39.160 outlet and the idea of being better from all those 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.200 challenges that we face. You know, you have to pick 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.760 yourself back up and keep moving forward and figure out 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:45.840 how to do better and be better. 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:46.320 Yeah. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.640 So resilience, that's right, That is the name of the game. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:50.040 Amen. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.000 You know what, I'm gonna put the dan broon because 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:55.520 it just subtles it a little bit. I kind of 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:56.120 like that mute. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:16.280 Maybe if I catch my breath, maybe I fait a little, 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.680 I'd remember how it hurts and stop. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:27.040 Before a fall. I'd forget to come apart and catch 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:33.520 myself and hold on tadley. Let memory wash over me. Forgive, 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:34.680 but don't forget. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.840 But you come back to me, begging away to leave. 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:43.440 Tell me why how could you let this go? Let 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:45.080