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Speaker 1: while you're there. Hi, I'm Nora Jones. Today I'm playing

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Speaker 1: along with Sarah mcgloughlin. I'm just playing lo Wey. I'm

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Speaker 1: just playing lone Wey.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Nora Jones.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show with me, as always is Sarah Oda.

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Speaker 1: Here we are Yay. Today we have a very special

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Speaker 1: guest because I fangirled out like eighteen year olds Nora,

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Speaker 1: it was my little baby self. On this episode, we

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Speaker 1: have have.

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Speaker 3: The legendary Sara Sarah McLaughlin, Grammy winning singer songwriter who

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Speaker 3: has an unmistakable voice that certainly left an impression on

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Speaker 3: our generation, but also has connected listeners across all generations.

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Speaker 3: She also founded Lilith Fair in nineteen ninety seven, bringing

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Speaker 3: women artists together on one stage, and she continues to

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Speaker 3: inspire and uplift with her artistry and activism.

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Speaker 1: There's a great doc out now on Lilith Fair that

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Speaker 1: you should check out. It's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 3: Her new album Better Broken just came out in September.

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Speaker 1: That means you talk, Oh yes, we do.

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Speaker 4: Some songs from that album.

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Speaker 1: They're really beautiful, and it was fun to catch her

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Speaker 1: before she goes on tour because she hasn't really performed

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Speaker 1: them live that much, so it was really special to

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Speaker 1: sort of get to be there and play them with her.

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Speaker 1: Very cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she said she was very connected to those songs

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Speaker 3: right now. So yeah, in this episode, you're going to

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Speaker 3: hear about the challenge of losing a voice on tour.

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Speaker 3: You're going to hear about her music school programs, and

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Speaker 3: also about the Lilith Fair documentary which just came out

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Speaker 3: as well, and as always, there's beautiful music on the way,

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Speaker 3: some new songs, and then for me personally, a nineties

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Speaker 3: dream come true for me as well.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I got to sing one of my faves

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Speaker 1: with one of my faves. It was awesome. She's a

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Speaker 1: delight and we loved hanging with her and having her

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Speaker 1: in this way because we've met once, but we've never

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Speaker 1: Sarah McLaughlin. There is some spicy language in this episode,

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Speaker 1: so listener discretion is advised. It's not that bad, but

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Speaker 1: just so you know it's there.

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Speaker 5: True to comes. It's for.

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Speaker 6: The witch.

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Speaker 7: Game, and.

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Speaker 6: I'm running ragged through the maze.

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Speaker 5: I know the heart.

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Speaker 7: It's a tricky bee snacks Coo famrad spirit.

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Speaker 1: Of the name.

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Speaker 7: Lose you, robs your blind and leaves you bleating on

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Speaker 5: Where are you out? As arms surround you.

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Speaker 8: And a wee spering you here, saying everything's gonna be

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Speaker 6: Because you're roly human, you can only take so much

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Speaker 7: When you feel like you're drowning alone, and the way

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Speaker 5: And the circle goes round and round and round till.

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Speaker 6: You can't breathe.

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Speaker 9: That night you cannot see.

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Speaker 7: Under these rooms ease prison holds it A stumbled through

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Speaker 6: To find the devil lurking just behind the door.

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Speaker 7: I don't pretend to understand the Rosie walk till you

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Speaker 5: You bear, and all you own his arms and we

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Speaker 6: Saying everything's gonna.

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Speaker 9: And you feel like.

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Speaker 9: But that's not you cannot see. That's right, you cannot see.

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Speaker 6: So beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, that's so pretty.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for let me sing with you.

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Speaker 2: I love I love that we got to do that together.

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Speaker 2: I literally have done this twice live two months ago.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I love this song. And when I was

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Speaker 4: Have you always done your own harmonies on record pretty much?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I harmonized to everything. Yeah, listening to

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Speaker 1: But you have really interesting harmony in the way you play.

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Speaker 1: You use a lot of seconds.

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Speaker 2: And it's not so pretty, I mean, because it's it's

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Speaker 2: and I'm really drawn to that, but I like there

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Speaker 1: Where does that come from?

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Speaker 2: What? What?

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Speaker 4: How did you learn music? I don't even know your history.

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Speaker 2: Well, I started out with you giallely when I was

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Speaker 2: four years old. Yeah, because I basically I wanted to

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Speaker 2: be Joan Biass. My mom, Yeah, my mom listened. She

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Speaker 2: and Garfunkle. So American folk was what I was steeped on,

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Speaker 2: singing lessons, And honestly, it did nothing but screw me up.

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Speaker 1: I almost took classical, like opera. I was kind of

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Speaker 2: I feel like it kind of did. I actually, really

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Speaker 2: they didn't really teach me anything. They just it was about,

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Speaker 2: out on my first tour. She's like, okay, I just

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Speaker 2: So I sprinted around the block, came back panting, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, everything was working, My diaphragm was open, my

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Speaker 2: that's how I'm supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. One of my favorite albums is Surfacing,

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Speaker 1: and I have a story to tell you later about that.

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Speaker 1: But you really seem to be drawn to these weird

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Speaker 4: Yeah, where does that come from?

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Speaker 9: Again?

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Speaker 2: Trying to create a soundscape that pulls you away from

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Speaker 2: I go. That's my that's my comfort, beautiful melodies, harmonies,

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Speaker 2: but it's it's often very pretty.

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Speaker 1: I can relate, yeah, because it's the piano singer girl exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I love that.

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Speaker 2: But I you know, when you think about why I

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Speaker 1: Totally, and I why not use it all?

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Speaker 2: So why not utilize that? And you know it it's

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Speaker 2: so many people say I just want to hear you

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Speaker 2: you understand how boring that gets for me as a listener,

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Speaker 2: Like I need I need some dissonance, I need some

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Speaker 1: It's also just it's more fun playing with others totally. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a conversation that continues to happen every

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Speaker 4: Do you have a tour coming up?

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Speaker 2: I sure do.

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Speaker 2: I actually had to cancel my tour last year. I

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Speaker 2: I was doing this thirtieth anniversary filming tour Secstasy Tour.

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Speaker 2: I did it in America. I blew out my voice. Wow,

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Speaker 2: I just you know, I came on hot, like rehearsing

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Speaker 2: I went into E and T got scope and they're

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Speaker 2: like I wasn't on the talk.

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Speaker 4: Which is how did that?

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Speaker 2: Really challenging? And I was lucky I'd finished almost all

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of things that bring me joy

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Speaker 2: and being able to sing and using that as a

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Speaker 1: Super powered.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean it was. I was pretty bommed

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Speaker 2: We're busy living our lives, gaining experience, gaining hopefully some

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Speaker 1: Now you're glad you got it out of your body.

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Speaker 2: I got it out of my body.

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Speaker 2: It was good therapy to write those songs, but nobody

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's good. I feel like that's a good

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Speaker 2: No. Well, I mean, unfortunately, it meant I didn't have

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Speaker 7: Maybe if I catch my breath, maybe I fait a little,

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Speaker 6: Before a fall. I'd forget to come apart and catch

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Speaker 5: But you come back to me, begging away to leave.

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Speaker 7: It is small and still mad, like a stone the

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Speaker 7: better broken, Some things are better broken. Luciens come flit

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Speaker 6: The edges till everything looks fine.

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Speaker 5: Our Pretend I didn't cry.

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Speaker 6: You, pretend that you're my say both remember what.

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Speaker 5: We want to get us through the night. Still come

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Speaker 13: Let it be hard.

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Speaker 7: It is small and still mad like a stone. Jackets

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Speaker 7: me smooth, chime, Let it be fart. It is small

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Speaker 7: and still better after lone. Some things are better broken,

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Speaker 7: Some things are better broken.

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Speaker 5: Let it be fall. It is small and still bad.

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Speaker 5: Be smooth by chiding.

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Speaker 7: Let it be thought. It is some moot us do.

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Speaker 7: Some things better broken. Some things are better broken. Some

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Speaker 2: Damn that feels skip to sing.

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Speaker 1: Right, See, it's the best music is Magic. We met

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Speaker 1: at the British School of Benefit. That's the only time

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Speaker 1: and that was so fun. Hangs with you then Magic,

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Speaker 1: they were.

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Speaker 2: Well I think I did three of those years, and

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Speaker 2: I remember Rail Montaigne.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know, that was a

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Speaker 2: That was like, okay, don't touch the man.

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Speaker 1: Artists are so tortured. Sometimes we have no idea. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess we do from their music sometimes, but not really.

448
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, and I know in some ways we need

449
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: that to propel us forward.

450
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

451
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: Like I I've grown up with a healthy dose of

452
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: self loathing that I think has, you know, pushed me

453
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: to to be better and to just work, work really

454
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: hard at making this your absolute best or you suck.

455
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: There's no middle ground. It's either you suck and you're

456
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: an idiot, or it's fucking great.

457
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Would you tell me a little bit more

458
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: about the music schools?

459
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 9: Yeah, sure, So.

460
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Speaker 2: It started almost twenty four years ago. I took a

461
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: big chunk of the money that I made during Lilith

462
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: Fair put it into a foundation. I mean, we gave

463
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: over seven million dollars to charities, national and local women's

464
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: charities from Lilith. YEO, that's amazing. I really wanted to

465
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: continue the legacy of giving. So I looked around trying

466
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 2: to think. At the time, I wasn't even sure what

467
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: I wanted to do with it. I just knew I

468
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: wanted to figure something out. And all the public schools

469
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: were cutting their music programs.

470
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Speaker 1: This is in Canada.

471
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: This is in Canada. Yeah, And I mean, I think

472
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: it's kind of the same everywhere. The arts are the

473
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: kind of the first thing to go. And I saw

474
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: this happening, and I thought about what music did for

475
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: me growing up, and I mean basically saved my life.

476
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd be here if I hadn't have

477
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: had that, that that medicine, that that salve, that safe

478
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: space where I could just be myself and actually have

479
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: something that I knew I was good at, and that

480
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: fed me and gave me a sense of my own worth.

481
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: So to think that kids didn't have that opportunity just

482
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: felt like, Oh, we're this whole generation is going to

483
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: be missing out on something really profoundly important, like our

484
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: social emotional growth, our sense of where we sit in

485
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: the world, and our you know, our understanding of empathy

486
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: and of each other. Like all those things come into

487
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: play when you when you create music, especially when you

488
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: work together. So making a kind of music, making a

489
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: music tools seem like the right choice.

490
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: So cool, and so it's all encompassing, it's from the

491
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: ground up, it's its own thing.

492
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: It's its own thing.

493
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

494
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: So it's it's an after school music and mentorship progress.

495
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: That's great.

496
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I opted out of working with the school system.

497
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: I thought that's smart. Going to stay out of it.

498
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: It's just there's so much bureaucracy total, so I thought,

499
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: I'm just going to do something independently of it. And

500
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: it's for at risk and our serve children youth. So

501
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: socioeconomic is the first barrier to break down, but obviously

502
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: social emotional as well. But it's completely free, always has been,

503
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: always will be. And we started with two hundred kids

504
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: in a pilot project and there's now over twelve hundred

505
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: students a year over three schools in three different cities.

506
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 6: Wow.

507
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an incredible thing to be part of. Like

508
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: I can be having the crappiest day and all going

509
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: to the school and everybody's happy and smiling and talking

510
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: and laughing and every room has different music being made

511
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: and it's just very joyful.

512
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: That's so great.

513
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: It's all over the map.

514
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: In terms of the curriculums, it's very flow like it's

515
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: depending on six kids to one teacher, and the whole

516
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 2: first year is all fundamental, so they kind of come

517
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 2: in and they learn every instrument them and just kind

518
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: of get a bit of a foundation, and then they

519
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: branch off into various instruments and if they want private lessons,

520
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: they can have that.

521
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool.

522
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 4: So you don't have to start that way? Does it

523
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 4: start at young age and go all the way?

524
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: So the school's grade four through twelve, But we have

525
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: a pretty vibrant alumni program too, because you know, eighteen

526
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: kids time out of the system total, and all of

527
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: a sudden they're adults and they're they're not and there

528
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: needs to be a bridge.

529
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: And is it at this point?

530
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 4: Is it like a nonprofit that you raise have to

531
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 4: raise money for.

532
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, our annual operating budget three point two million.

533
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 6: It's not cheap.

534
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 4: Wow, So if anybody wants to donate to it, Yeah, they're.

535
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: A school of music dot com.

536
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: That's great.

537
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: We have a five oh one C three here in

538
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: the States, Friends of Seramaclauchlands Society, which you can donate

539
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: to here in the States and you get a fully

540
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 2: refundable or tax receipt. And yeah, it's I mean, I've

541
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: been fundraising for the last twenty four years for it.

542
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: You know, some years it's like all the gigs I do,

543
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: money goes into the fund in the foundation goes like

544
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: oh sure, okay, I gotta go do another gig.

545
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 4: Yeah that sounds amazing.

546
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really fun.

547
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: To be part of the school next time.

548
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: I'm oh there please, Yeah, if you want to come

549
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: do a little workshop or anything like that, I would

550
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: hook you up in a hot second. I'm not a

551
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: great teacher.

552
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd be a good teacher.

553
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: I'm a terrible teacher.

554
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: Too fun to do something.

555
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: Just talk to kids, talk to some of the high

556
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: school or as I said, like, there's a few who

557
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: really do want to pursue music and it's really good

558
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: for them to be able to talk to someone who's

559
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: in the industry and you know, understands the challenges and

560
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: just you know, have someone to shoot the ship with.

561
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 4: Totally.

562
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, most of the kids just they just want a

563
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: safe place to come and they get fed every day

564
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: and and have.

565
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: A community, to have a place to go after school.

566
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of their parents, if they have two parents,

567
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: they're both working, you know, and they come home to

568
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: an empty house and there's no food sometimes. And you know,

569
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: we had a couple of years ago there was a mom.

570
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: We didn't know what was going on, and she was

571
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: living in the car, living in her car with her daughter.

572
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 11: You know.

573
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: So one of the cool things as well as we

574
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: have a lot of community partners and we're able to

575
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: offer assistance in other ways.

576
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: It's a community.

577
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: It's very much about the music even it's very much

578
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: a communi community safe place.

579
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard being a teenager. It's isolating and lonely,

580
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: and entire social media is awful.

581
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: I'm terrified of my kids getting to that place.

582
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's so scary. There's so besieged. Yea

583
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: constantly with negativity and misinformation.

584
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: And you raised two girls, raised two daughters, and they

585
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: were right at the perfect age for it to be

586
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: extra Yeah.

587
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: So my firstborn was just it was at the beginning

588
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: of social media, and she was deeply affected.

589
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: The wild West.

590
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: It was well, it still is, honestly it still is.

591
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: And my little one, because I think she had dance,

592
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: she was just too busy to be so involved in it.

593
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: But my my firstborn for sure got taken a little

594
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: bit more by it and was really influenced by it,

595
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: and you know, felt judged, and which is the social

596
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: media is a rating system, right, So post your picture

597
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: in a bikini, you get a hundred likes. You post

598
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: a picture in a turtleneck and you're like, oh, why

599
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: are you so boring, like so messed up. Oh god,

600
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: you know, I just think about how easily influenced I

601
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: was as a teenager and as a young adult. I'm

602
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: so thankful I didn't have.

603
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: To deal with that same The Lilith Fair documentary is

604
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: that out?

605
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's yeah, premunitate a tiff last week, okay,

606
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: last Sunday, I think, and which was super exciting. It's amazing,

607
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: Like I obviously have seen all the iterations of it

608
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: as we were editing, but to watch it on the

609
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: big screen, Yeah, there's this weird kind of disconnect for me.

610
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: Of like, I know that's me.

611
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 4: I was wondering how that felt.

612
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: Obviously this like massive pride and like just I still

613
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: can't quite put into words how cool it is to

614
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: have something that you were part of encapsulated and in

615
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: such a beautiful, succinct manner in a motion picture, basically

616
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: a talking ventry for all to see. And it's so

617
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: joyful and beautiful and you know, and of course, you

618
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: know you talked about all we talked about, all the challenges,

619
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: all the things that people wanted it to be or

620
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: didn't want it to be.

621
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you have to fight through a lot?

622
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had to defend it every step

623
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: of the way every day.

624
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: What year was the first little nineteen ninety seven, so

625
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: it was the year Surfacing came out.

626
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, literally the Servicing came out I think a

627
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: week after the first show at the Gorge.

628
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: Wow.

629
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, which was crazy because I had never you know,

630
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: didn't really know how to headline a festival. And I

631
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: was so excited about the new record that we played

632
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: the whole new record at the end of a long

633
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: day of music. Now you as a musician, well, no,

634
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: that probably didn't go over very well because it didn't

635
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: nobody knew.

636
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: But they were so excited and they're such great songs.

637
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, but.

638
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: You know, they were tired and they wanted the stuff

639
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: that they were familiar with. So it fell flat on

640
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: his face, and I was like, I just really I

641
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: felt I just just my part my performance at the

642
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: end of the night. I think I was probably exhausted too,

643
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: because you know, you're trying to maintain your energy over

644
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: the entire day and you're basically you know, you're up

645
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: in the morning, it's go, go, go the whole day.

646
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, we quickly pivoted and put a bunch of

647
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: older material back in and then it was off to

648
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: the races. But yeah, that it was an incredible time

649
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 2: that that record just I think very much because of

650
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: Lilith and just getting out to this massive audience that

651
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: I would never have been able to play in front

652
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: of it if it hadn't been for all of us

653
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: agreeing and sharing our audiences and bringing our you know,

654
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: bringing ourselves together and to have way bigger audiences. What

655
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: was your moment where you had the idea the year

656
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: before I wanted to do some shows in the summer.

657
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: I felt like, I don't want to have all the responsibility.

658
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to do a big tour. Wouldn't it

659
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: be nice if maybe we have Paula Cole come again.

660
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: Guy had opened up, Paula Cold opened up for me,

661
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: and there's all these other artists that are so cool.

662
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: You just want to hang out.

663
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: I just want to hang out. Like it's a weird business, right,

664
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: you know. We're surrounded by men and I love I

665
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: love my guys, I love my band, I love my crew,

666
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: But I just thought this is I missed that that

667
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: community that I think exists out there, and I want

668
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: to be able to talk to my peers about this

669
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: crazy job that we have and I want to sing

670
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: with him too, so let's be honest. So, you know,

671
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: putting it together, there was like we talked to a

672
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: couple of promoters that we knew really well, and they're like, well, okay,

673
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is going to work because

674
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to put to and back to back

675
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: on a tour. I'm like, well, I yeah, you laugh

676
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: out loud, but I already had done that.

677
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 11: I had to fight.

678
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: That's what I had to fight is. So we we

679
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: incurred all the risk, the financial risk. We did four shows,

680
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: everyone sold out and it was very successful. So then

681
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: we went, this is amazing, this is so much fun.

682
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: Let's do it next summer as a full, full tour. Okay,

683
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: like all these other you know, festivals are completely male dominated,

684
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: Like why are women being represented there? You know, there's

685
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: all these women having huge success in their own genres

686
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: of music, So we'll just do it ourselves.

687
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: It was massive, and then all.

688
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: The promoters were like, oh no, no, no, you can't

689
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: do that. I'm like, well, we just did, and we

690
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: sold out all these you sold out these four markets

691
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: as a test run, and like, well, yeah, but no,

692
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: I don't think you can. I'm like, you know, so

693
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: when someone tells me I can't.

694
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: Eight, wow, yeah, that's amazing.

695
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: And you know that was my mother, you know, in

696
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: the back of my head, going why would you even try?

697
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: You're going to fail? You know, you can't, you can't

698
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: do this. Don't don't go thinking anything special. And honestly,

699
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: that was the thing that propelled me, is like, I'm

700
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: gonna prove I want to prove my mother wrong that

701
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna with my record late, with my record contract,

702
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to come home pregnant or on drugs.

703
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: And you know, because that was her thing. It's like, well,

704
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 2: you're just gonna you're gonna fail and you're gonna, oh,

705
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: you're going to mess up your life. And yeah, I

706
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: mean that that language that was her cross to bear,

707
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: you know, like she was just very afraid for me,

708
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: and that's how it was articulated. But I wanted to

709
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: prove her wrong. And I came back ninety later with

710
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: a record.

711
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 12: Now look, no no needle marks, moms still good, oh man.

712
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: But so the same thing with all these guys saying

713
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: you can't do that, I'm like, well we just did

714
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: and fuck you.

715
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: So the year is nineteen ninety seven and I got

716
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: dropped off at college in Denton, Texas, and I'm have

717
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: gone out for food or something, and I didn't know anybody,

718
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: and I, well, that's a lie.

719
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 4: I didn't know people.

720
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: But at that night, that night, I was alone, and

721
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: I came back and I remember being in the parking

722
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: lot of my new dorm in my car and I

723
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: was listening to the college radio and Angel comes on

724
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: and I will never forget hearing a song for the

725
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: first time as much as that song Wow, because it

726
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: was it was like the stars were out. It was

727
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: just a crazy moment in my life. And the song

728
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: is just, you know, one of the best songs I think,

729
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, it's just I love it. It's such

730
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: a beautiful song, thank You. And I don't you know,

731
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about how it came to be

732
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: or how you recorded it. I I just knew that

733
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: it hit me right right in the heart that night,

734
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: and I've just always loved you since then.

735
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 9: Oh thank you.

736
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, that's kind of how it came out. That's

737
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: that's what it sounds like. I have never been prolific

738
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: at all. My writing is slow, painful process, especially lyrics.

739
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: And I had, actually I had read a Rolling Stone

740
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: article about Jonathan Melvoyn, the keyboard player from Smashing Pumpkins

741
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: who died odid on Heroin, and I had just come

742
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: off the road of two and a half years. I

743
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: was exhausted. The record label was screaming for a new record,

744
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: and so I sequestered myself away in a little cotage

745
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: in the Laurentis Kitana mcgarrigle's cottage and tried to write.

746
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: And you know, I couldn't or I was blocked. So

747
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: I went and got a bunch of magazines and started reading. Anyway,

748
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: so I read this article and I just had this

749
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: flood of overwhelm and empathy and sadness and understanding. I've

750
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: never done Heroin, I never will, but just that desperate

751
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: need to find some kind of release and some kind

752
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: of escape. And that song came out in like a

753
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: day and a half start to finish, and the best

754
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 2: one is, don't you think opened? I was merely a vessel,

755
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: you know, I just the universe opened up and I

756
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: got to be the conduit. And it's it's still one

757
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: of my very favorite songs, like I never tire of

758
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: playing it, I'm tired of hearing it. I think the

759
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: energy that has been created by going out in the

760
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: world like I've had over the years sick so many

761
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: people like connect with it and so many different profound levels,

762
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, and hard times in their life when it's

763
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: like this was this is what we played when my

764
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: mother passed, and as hard as it was, it gave

765
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: us comfort. And you know that's I could see that

766
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: amazing validation as an artist, to know that you've created

767
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: something that has gone out in the world and in

768
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: some small way made someone's really tough time a little easier.

769
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it has for so many people. And of course

770
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: the ASPCA can a.

771
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: Whole lot of dogs and cats, a whole lot of animals.

772
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: They raised so much money with that campaign.

773
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it kind of changed the face of

774
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: fundraising a little bit. I had no idea, honestly, you know,

775
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 2: I had a couple of hours free and my friend

776
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 2: was on the board said, hey, totally, you're thinking about

777
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: having a celebrity endorsemen.

778
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 5: You want to do this?

779
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love animals, I'll do this, Honestly, I had

780
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: and then you pair the song with those images. It's

781
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: like just and I remember, you know, I was this

782
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: is what I'm like, I'm kind of a goofball, and

783
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 2: I remember the director just going I'm just a little

784
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: more earnest, you know. I'm like, oh, fuck, this is

785
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: killing me, you know. And then of course memes are created.

786
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I didn't. I didn't say the memes.

787
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: But no, it's funny, you know. It's like, you know,

788
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: I remember someone said, oh, I'm Sara McLaughlin and I'm

789
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: about to ruin your day.

790
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

791
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: No, that's funny, but you gotta take it.

792
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 14: Damn.

793
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: You got to take it because it worked.

794
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: Yep, it worked really really well.

795
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I love this song, and I asked you

796
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: if you would, if you would consider doing a song

797
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: from that album. You could.

798
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 4: You could have said any song from that album. I

799
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 4: know them all so well. So I'm glad you picked

800
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 4: this song.

801
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 11: Yeah.

802
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: Do you wanna do you want to sing the second verse?

803
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: Sure?

804
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, do the whole second verse for me.

805
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I might cry, but I'm gonna try not to. Okay,

806
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: what about the last chorus? Do you want to? Do

807
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: you mind if I sneak in on a harmony, okay,

808
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: because I've only practiced that harmony, you know, for a

809
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: few times twenty something else.

810
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: I want to hear you sing wherever you want to sing.

811
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: It's in D flat, also a key.

812
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: Do you do it lower?

813
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've dumbed it down to D because

814
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: oh that's up even yeah, dang girl, Yeah, yeah, I

815
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: don't know what the hell I was thinking.

816
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: It's really hard because you have a very high crystal voice,

817
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: and I was actually singing along. I was like, I

818
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: don't know if my voice can go that high.

819
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: Anyway, if I can anymore.

820
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 4: But also I was wondering, like that break in your voice,

821
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: you know that, I don't know what you call it.

822
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: It it's like a glottal stop or whatever goes from

823
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: It's not a yodel, but it's it kind of is though,

824
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: pushing from from chest into head.

825
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: Have you always had that? Is that something you sort

826
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: of like worked on at a sort of.

827
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 2: You know, quite honestly, I stole that from Peter Gabriel. Yeah,

828
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: that's awesome, not gonna lie. I was like, how does

829
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: he do that? And I just found a way and like,

830
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: oh I can do that too. That's cultivated. Yeah, I

831
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: tucked it.

832
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 4: I asked Gillian Welsh once where her yodel came from.

833
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: She said, she said she taught herself to do that

834
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: on a long cross country trip. Once.

835
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I didn't know I could like

836
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 4: learn to do that. I guess it's a muscle.

837
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: You just got to chain it.

838
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: You just got It's like pushing and pulling in there.

839
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: I don't know quite how I was to describe it,

840
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: but all right, I don't know how I would explain it.

841
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 6: But no, you don't need to.

842
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: Also, you know you don't want to force it.

843
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: It's natural.

844
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 5: You spend a higher time waiting.

845
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 11: For that second chance, for the bright thown may it okay?

846
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 6: So it's some reason.

847
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 5: To feel luck good enough, And it's hard be.

848
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 8: And day.

849
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 5: Needs serve distraction.

850
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 8: Hard beautiful release.

851
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 5: The receep from her veins.

852
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 9: They empty.

853
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 5: Hot Samby for.

854
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 6: Some peace and name.

855
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 5: In thesly agent.

856
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 14: W free.

857
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 13: On miss too Chi.

858
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 5: In Thestness stache Fee.

859
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 11: You are.

860
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 5: From the Rickae on your sign three. You're in the

861
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 5: Arsly Angel for.

862
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 11: So comfort, so tired along the straight line.

863
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 6: And every way.

864
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: There's vultures and thieves at your back. The storm keeps

865
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 5: some twist.

866
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 11: You keep on building lines that you make up for

867
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 11: all that you lack.

868
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 5: You don't make all.

869
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 14: Difference escaping one last, it's easier to believe in this

870
00:43:50,760 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 14: sweet mans on its body saddays that brings me to Manies.

871
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 10: In the arms of the age.

872
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 13: Free from this time, cor Holital.

873
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: And we.

874
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 5: Set sach fig.

875
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 14: Ah.

876
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 11: You are.

877
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 5: From ang the wreckage. We have sun.

878
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 13: Round three, you're in themsy ancient.

879
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: We f.

880
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 5: So comfort.

881
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 13: Yeah, so.

882
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 12: He thank you so much, beautiful, thank you, oh, thank you.

883
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 9: I love you.

884
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say it.

885
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: I know we've only met once before, but okay, we

886
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: got I love you so much shared, thanks for doing

887
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: shared things. Yes, thank you.

888
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, my pleasure. Your dream really fun good good?

889
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: Oh that was so fun, God, so beautiful, what a dream?

890
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: That was amazing. That was a high up song. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I might have cried a little, did you one single?

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Speaker 4: Tier down my cheek just a wonder. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 4: a real honor. You know, she wanted to do songs

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Speaker 4: from her new album.

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Speaker 1: And I was totally stoked, and I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: if there's any way you could maybe do something from

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Speaker 1: surfacing with me. It was just a really huge album

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Speaker 1: for me at that time. She was like, oh cool,

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Speaker 1: I think Angel makes the most sense and I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, I was so happy.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Sarah. If you'd like to know what songs we

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Speaker 1: played in this episode, the first one was called Only

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Speaker 1: Human from Sarah's album Better Broken, released in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: The second song was the title track from that same album,

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Speaker 1: Better Broken. The third song was Angel from the album Surfacing,

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Speaker 1: released in nineteen ninety seven. Special thanks to Sarah McLaughlin

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Speaker 1: for joining us today. Nor Jones Is Playing Along is

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Podcasts. I'm your host Nora Jones.

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Speaker 1: by Jamie Landry, Audio post production and mastering by Greg Tobler.

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