1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. My grandmother, her name 2 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: was Pearl. Pearl Morgan is her name, and she essentially 3 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: raised me. She taught me everything I knew about our 4 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: family history, the history of where our family had come from, 5 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: the branches of our family that had settled throughout Mississippi 6 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: and South Louisiana, and I embraced that even as a 7 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: small child. Learning from her, I learned the value of 8 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: having a meal cooked by her, and certainly now at 9 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: this stage in my life, I missed that almost more 10 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: than anything I can imagine. And in her kitchen always 11 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: had a particular life of its own because that's where 12 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: the family gathered. Her sisters would come by every day 13 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: to eat lunch there. She had four of them. Her 14 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 1: brother couldn't show up because well, he was a homicide victim, 15 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: and I was named after him. But my grandmother left 16 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: something with me that I shall never forget, and that 17 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: was the soothing, gentle touch of her hand, whether it 18 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: was whether it was me being sick or needing comforting 19 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: during tough times with my parents not around. But I 20 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: remember the way her hands looked, I remember the way 21 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: they felt when she would tell me that everything was 22 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: going to be okay. Today, I'm going to talk about 23 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: another grandmother, a grandmother from my hometown of New Orleans, Louisiana, 24 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: a lady who died quite arguably one of the most 25 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: brutal deaths that we can possibly imagine, and she was 26 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: loved by her children and her grandchildren. That lady's name 27 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: is Linda Frickey. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is 28 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: body David. I don't normally do this, but I kind 29 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: of gave myself a chill and I was sitting here 30 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about my grandmother, and it draws 31 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: up such emotion for me that when you live, you 32 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: live a life that is a good life, and those 33 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: that are around you love you more than gold. You 34 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: deserve better than to be robbed of that life and 35 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: taken away from those who have so much value placed 36 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: in you in the life that you live and what 37 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: you've done for them. And I could not I've debated 38 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: about this case for several weeks. We've talked about it previously. 39 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know if I wanted to cover it, but 40 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: I just feel compelled to say something because I'm afraid 41 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: that this is going to be forgotten. And I don't 42 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: want this to be forgotten because it is so horrible. 43 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: It is a stain on my hometown. And there's a 44 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: lot that goes on down there that I know, it's 45 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: very dangerous. But this, even even with all of the 46 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: violence that weaves it so in and out of New Orleans, now, 47 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: this case, my God, Dave, this case, just it it 48 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: stands out. I don't know of anything more horrific than that. 49 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: You know, Joe, so many times in a crime story, 50 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: it's the killer that gets the attention, not the victim. 51 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 2: The victim gets lost in the shuffle. And you know, 52 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: you talking about your own grandmother with such respect and 53 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: love and dignity, and you know, Linda Frickey has children 54 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: and grandchildren that speak of her that that way, with 55 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: love and respect. And at seventy three years old, Linda 56 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: Frickey was carjacked in New Orleans. Prosecutors say it was 57 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: not a spur of the moment decision, it was a 58 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: planned crime. Four teenagers, seventeen year old John Honoree, and 59 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: three girls between the ages of fifteen and seventeen, conspired 60 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: to steal Miss Fricky's suv. Each of the four had 61 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: a role to play in the carjacking. Honoree served as 62 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: the leader of the gang, the main aggressor, the getaway driver. 63 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: He pepper sprayed, punched, kicked, and stomped in the face 64 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: of a seventy three year old woman. He then is 65 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: tasked with being the getaway driver. So he drives going 66 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: down the road, but he sees Linda Fricky as holding 67 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: on like she doesn't want to let go of her car. 68 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: She can't let go. Her arm has gotten tangled in 69 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: to the seatbelt, and so Henri is punching and kicking 70 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: and doing everything you can't get her to fall off 71 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: the car. She can't fall off the car. After two 72 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: blocks of dragging the seventy three ye old woman down 73 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: the road, punching, kicking, and screaming at her because she 74 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: can't get loose. In an effort to get her off 75 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: the car, he jumps a curb and hits the utility 76 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: pulled guy wire that severs Frickey's arm, freeing her from 77 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 2: the suv. 78 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: And you'll hear our friend Nancy Grace say this sometimes, 79 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: and it's if you take a criminal law course, even 80 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: at an unngraduate level, they'll our constitutional law. Course, they 81 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: will use the term that an event so shocked the 82 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: conscience of the court. I submit to you that this 83 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: was one of those cases that not only shocked the 84 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: conscience of Orleans Parish Court and the Prosecutor's office, but 85 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: also it's sent shockwaves through the city. And this is 86 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: a city that, unfortunately many times is numb to crime. 87 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: The fact that this this literally made people for for 88 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: a moment at least stop and draw breath, and you know, 89 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: have to do a double take, because when you know, 90 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: when you when you think that things are absolutely horrific, 91 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: you better hold on because there is always another gear that, 92 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: particularly where human depravity comes in Vidom. 93 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 2: You're looking at a victim of all victims, Joe. You're 94 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: looking at a woman who was doing nothing to. 95 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: Anybody, nothing, nothing at all, and it's breathing and these 96 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: are you know where this occurred. This was actually a 97 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: location that that I'm very familiar with in the city. Uh. 98 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: It was near Scott Drive in Bienville. And it's not 99 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: it's not in the French Quarter. Just so everybody understands 100 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: that this is what's this area of the city. Uh. 101 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: In Atlanta that called the middle part of the city 102 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: Midtown in New Orleans they call it mid City. And 103 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: so you're not in the central business district. You're not 104 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: in the Vookay, which is the old term that was 105 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: used for the French Quarter. You know, you're not in 106 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: the wealthy area of town where the oil millionaires and 107 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: the Mannings live and all this. You're this is truly, 108 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: uh the original working class area, you know. And this 109 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: the streets are laid out in perfect grids. There's a 110 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: lot of old neighborhoods. There was a huge Italian population. 111 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I wish I could take 112 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: you here. One of my favorite restaurants in the world 113 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: is a place called Loses and Loses is this old 114 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: fashioned Italian restaurant that I would go to every opportunity 115 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: that I possibly could. And there's several restaurants down there 116 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: that make up this area of town that you know, 117 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: it's seen good times, it's seen bad times. And you know, 118 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: even when I was there, and I lived not too 119 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: far away from where this actually occurred. When I first 120 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: started college, I lived in Midtown myself, my roommate. It 121 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: was dangerous then. I was mugged, you know before in 122 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: that area. But it's like being in any big city. 123 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: And you know, as a young man, I was really shocked. 124 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: Now as an older guy, it's like, it's not that shocking. 125 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: It's going to happen if you if you stay in 126 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: these locations, you run the risk of that happening. But 127 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: there was nothing like this. It just it hadn't It 128 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: hadn't happened. And when we begin to kind of fill 129 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: in the blanks here, I think that many of our listeners, Dave, 130 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: are going to sit back and you're going to scratch 131 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: your head and you're going to think, how, how in 132 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: the how in the world could a teenager, a group 133 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: of teenagers get to the point where they are so 134 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: depraved that they're incapable of showing mercy. They're incapable of 135 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: showing mercy, and it it it just boggles the mind. 136 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: And it let me tell you something else. And it's 137 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: not just it's not just the family of Linda Frickey 138 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: that had to go through this, but Dave, there there 139 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: were there were witnesses. There were witnesses to this event 140 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: that were screaming out for these carjackers to stop. 141 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: Just as you say, let's back up for just a second, right, there. 142 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,359 Speaker 2: It's a carjacking that takes place in front of witnesses 143 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: in an area that, as you've described, an area you 144 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: are intimately familiar with. You know these streets. You know 145 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: that it's not not rodeo drive. It is a it 146 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: would it be called a rough and tumbled neighborhood, Joe. 147 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: I guess it could be if certain areas of mid city, Okay, 148 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: but there's a quaintness to it too. 149 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: All right now, Linda Friki is in her car right yes, 150 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 2: driving down the road. There is a group of young people, teens. 151 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: The I don't want to call him the leader, John Henrie. 152 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you explained to me how to how 153 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: to pronounce his name, because I thought, what an odd name. 154 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: There is no honor in this person, John hen Ree. 155 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: He's eighteen years old. He is not the only person involved. 156 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: He's the one person who had every opportunity in the 157 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: world to stop at any time, to stop the madness, 158 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: but he took the wheel and ran with it from 159 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: the very game. 160 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: Let me stop you right here, because this is kind 161 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: of the way the thing went down, and this is 162 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: what makes it all the more shocking. These four teens 163 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: were and it's onn RE and it's three compatriots here, 164 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: and the other three are females. Right. 165 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: I was going to point out that I don't want 166 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: to appear sexist, but that doesn't strike me as a 167 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: normal occurrence. I don't know if it is. Mathematically, Maybe 168 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: it is. Maybe there are in big cities all over 169 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 2: the United States of America and groups of four people, 170 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: one guy and three girls committing crimes, physically violent crimes 171 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: that lead to death. I don't know. It just sounds 172 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: odd to me. Maybe that's the old sexist to me 173 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 2: coming out. 174 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't think there's anything sexist about it. 175 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: It's just the reality that people gravitate toward one another 176 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: and somebody's going to wind up being a leader in 177 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: that group. And I think that it probably was onn RE. 178 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: But you know, Linda Frickey had actually gone into a 179 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: store and she was picking up some items and just 180 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: kind of let me, let me just kind of set 181 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: set the The way this looks when when you're in 182 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: New Orleans, it's kind of I've always compared it to 183 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: like a miniature Manhattan in a sense that there's no 184 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: off street parking, hardly at all. People that live in 185 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: town are heavily dependent upon public transportation. The streets are old, 186 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: and if you park, you have to park on the 187 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: street if you can find a spot. And I've done 188 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: this many times. You pull up next to the curb, 189 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've ever seen these in 190 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: older towns, Dave, the curbs will have You'll have a 191 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: poured concrete curb and along the leading edge on the 192 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: top there is a metal strip that runs down the 193 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: length of it to keep the curb intact. And these 194 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: are everywhere. They're all over the place. We used to 195 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: call them tire poppers, because if you clip the thing, 196 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: it'll pop your tire and you have to be aware 197 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: of that. But Dave, you know they've got CCTV in 198 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: regards to this, and you can actually see two of 199 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: the individuals walking down street heading toward the car, and 200 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: then you've got a third and then there's Henri. And 201 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: so Henri actually shows up close to the end and 202 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: he accost Linda. Now let's just think about just for 203 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,359 Speaker 1: a second. You're bent over, your back is to the sidewalk, 204 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: you're bent over, and you're putting something in your car. 205 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: Look are you actually thinking you're going to be robbed 206 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: or carjacked or assaulted. Oh that's not what you're thinking. 207 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: You're thinking, I've been coming here to this area maybe 208 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: my entire adult life. Nothing's ever happened to me, or 209 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: I've got enough situational awareness that I can kind of 210 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: see my way around. I can tell you, at this 211 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: age in my life, I don't have the same situational 212 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: awareness that I did when I was twenty five. I 213 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: just don't, and so your skills begin to drop down 214 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: a little bit, particularly in an urban environment like this. 215 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: She was essentially attacked while she's in this very vulnerable position, 216 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: and my friend I got to tell you after she 217 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: was attacked, the initial attack was only the beginning. The 218 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: one thing that's really hard to take the measure of 219 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: when you're a citizen and you're just going about your 220 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: everyday life. Just pretend for a moment that you're out 221 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: and you're going for a walk, maybe you're jogging, maybe 222 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: you're out, you know, taking your dog outdoors so that 223 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: they can do their business. But just imagine suddenly, without 224 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: any provocation, you have no idea that it's going to happen. 225 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: You look up and arguably the most horrific thing that 226 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: you've ever born witness to, literally plays out right in 227 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: front of you, and Dave, that's what actually happened there. 228 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: There was a young lady who heard her husband live 229 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: adjacent to where the carjacking took place. Leanne and Mark Mascar. Leanne, 230 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: I think had been out doing some running or jogging 231 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: that's associated with her yoga that she daily does. And 232 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: she saw, she saw this car going down the road. 233 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: And can you imagine she hears a woman the sound 234 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: of her voice pierces the air in broad daylight, mind 235 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: you in broad daylight, and stead please stop, please stop, 236 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: And when she looks up, Dave, a seventy two year 237 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: old Linda Fricky is being drug down the road and 238 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: the only thing that is keeping her attached to the 239 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: car is her arm that is trapped in the seat 240 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: belt as she's and they can't close the door. Henria 241 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: is driving the car by the way, can't close the door. 242 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: And this lady that had been out in her yard 243 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: with her husband actually witnesses thing occur. And I can't remember. 244 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: You need to refresh my memory. I can't remember how 245 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: far was it that that she was drug I can't 246 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: recall I think I told you just a second or 247 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: two ago, two blocks, two blocks, and that's it. Can't 248 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know if any of us can fathom. 249 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I've certainly stumbled on the sidewalk, I've fallen. 250 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: I've never had my car slip out of gear and 251 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: drive away with me attached to it. How much more 252 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: so can you imagine being trapped in your car and 253 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: being drug outside of it for two blocks? How does 254 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: that even happen? 255 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 2: You have to back up to that too and realize 256 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: that before that happened you mentioned she's leaning over her 257 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: car to put stuff in her car. Henrie gets in 258 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: and starts beating her. He catches her off guard and 259 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: is beating her. I can't get past that. I'm having 260 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: trouble there, Joe, because you've got an eighteen year old 261 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: man with three girls, and he gets in the car 262 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: and beats the seventy three year old woman. She can't 263 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: even get out of the car fast enough before they're 264 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: going down the road because her arm is stuck, is 265 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: hung up in the seatbelt sling. And as they're going 266 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: down the road, you mentioned the weight of the car 267 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: and just slipping out of gear. For a little bit. 268 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: I have had that happen. I actually have hat, yes, 269 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: and maybe twenty feet and in that twenty feet I 270 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: watched the life go behind. I mean, you know, your 271 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: life passes because you can't stop. A car is really heavy, friends, 272 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: and once they get moving, they don't stop. And you're 273 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: one person you don't stick your leg out. It's not 274 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: a go cart when you're a kid. A car is 275 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: two tons of moving ballistic missile. And you're talking about 276 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 2: getting speed, You're talking about being seventy three years old. 277 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: You've just been beaten up by surprise, and now you're 278 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 2: being drugged down the street. You're being drug Your arm 279 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: is the only reason you're not falling off the car 280 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: is because your arm is hung up. Your legs are 281 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: dragging your body, your towards everything is dragging at some 282 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: point in time, and the only thing holding you in 283 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: is the seat belt that has got your like a 284 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: sling on your arm. 285 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me stop here and ask you this question. 286 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: Just and forgive my language, y'all, but I got to 287 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: ask this question, my friend, Dave. Dave, do you think 288 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: that if this had been a grown ass man, mister 289 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: ron Ree would have him to do this no way. 290 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: You're talking about a seventy two, seventy three year old 291 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: ground Yeah, and you're going to attack her from the 292 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: rear like this and it takes you got Let's call 293 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: it a crew because it is a crew. Yeah, it's 294 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: a it's a carjacking crew. He's got three others that 295 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: don't say oh stop and not run away. No, no, no. 296 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: They pile in. They pile in to lend his car on. 297 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: Top of it, right, and they know there's a plan. Witness, 298 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: He's merely the first one in. But you're right, they 299 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: all three pile in. They're all equal criminals. The fact 300 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 2: that they're not all being treated the same bothers me 301 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: a lot, because you're right, Joe. At no time did 302 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: any of them say stop, we can't do this. Stop please, 303 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 2: you're hurting her. Stop nobody did you know? The only 304 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 2: people who did that were the people outside, horrifically standing 305 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: by watching this happen, screaming please stop, while the seventy 306 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 2: three year old grandma is saying please stop. 307 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: Please. 308 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: You know when you mentioned that a minute ago, wo 309 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 2: man out for her jog after her yoga. Here's the 310 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: pleading of a grandma a seventy three year old woman 311 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: being drug to her death, and there's people in the 312 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 2: car that could stop it. Not one of them has 313 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: the can make it happen, It can make it stop. 314 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: An eighteen year old man did it. 315 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it goes you know, it goes back to 316 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: this idea of you know, you begin to think how 317 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: morally bankrupt would you have to be in order to 318 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: engage in this kind of behavior where you're not capable 319 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: of showing any kind of any kind of mercy for 320 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: this poor woman, some level of empathy, because certainly, in 321 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: a car like this, and it's not a big car, 322 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: you could certainly hear her screaming. You would have to 323 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: have an awareness of what happened. But this is what 324 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: I do know, and you know, per the witnesses, the 325 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: car travels two blocks down range from where they're stopped, 326 00:20:54,040 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: and Linda's arm is caught in you know, as you 327 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: you called it a sling, and I think that's kind 328 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: of accurate because the belt and I've had this happen 329 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: before on cases that I've worked, but not like this. 330 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: These were accidental events. They make no mistake. This is 331 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: no accident. Her arm was caught and it gives the 332 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: impression that it is caught up to the shoulder, and 333 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: all the while, according to witnesses, her clothing is being 334 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: twisted as well, because she's spinning kind of outside, almost 335 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: like she's in a tumble dryer. And we have to 336 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: factor this in as well, as she's going over the surface. 337 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: As she's going over this hard concrete surface, stable and 338 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: it's picking up speed. Man, she's bouncing along. She doesn't 339 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: have the benefit of sitting in a car seat. She's 340 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: not safely buckled in. She's outside the cabin of this 341 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: car and every and trust me, if New Orleans roads 342 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: are not smooth, they're horrible as a matter of fact, 343 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: notorious for pop holes and bumps, and they're always shifting. 344 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: Because everything's below sea level. It's the most uneven environment 345 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: that you could ever be in. And she's been drugged 346 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: along the surface and I can't even imagine what would 347 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: be going through her mind. But this car is just 348 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: out of control. Well, it's under his control, under Henri's 349 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: control for two blocks. And here's the thing. Witnesses see this. 350 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: As the car is traveling, the car actually hops the curb, 351 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: day hops the curb, and it doesn't stop he still 352 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: got the door open and kicking her in the head 353 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you, and I got to tell you. 354 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: I know you well enough to know this is going 355 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: to make the blood vessels on the side of your 356 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: neck poke out. He was heard to say, you gonna die, 357 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: screaming that sink in just for a second, and he's 358 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: kicking her in the head. So he's assaulting her with 359 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: his foot, blunt force trauma to the head. We have 360 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: to think that at least by this time her shoulders 361 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: at least dislocated as he's now hopping the curb. But 362 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: that's not where this ends. Where it ends is that 363 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: he passes by dave a utility pole and if any 364 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: of us and many of us can identify with this, 365 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: you have a utility pole, and they'll have this kind 366 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: of galvanized steel cable that comes down from them that 367 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: kind of anchors them in place. Apparently what had happened 368 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: is as the car passed by the utility pole, guidewire 369 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: actually tore her arm off, ripped it away, cut it off, 370 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: they're saying. Torn. Along with that, it strips every bit 371 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: of the clothing off of her body, and she winds 372 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: up Dave. You know, we we think about how helpless 373 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: she was in those moments right before this finality. Here 374 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: and there she is, Dave, lying in the middle of 375 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: the road, absent an arm, her car disappearing down the road, 376 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: and she's nude. The force of the scene actually ripped 377 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: her clothes off. It's a final indignity, Dave. And for 378 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: the witnesses, one of these ladies had run back into 379 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: her home. I don't know about you, but I know 380 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: that it would be me. I'd be frozen in the yard. 381 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe what my eyes were telling me. Ran 382 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: into the home and grabbed a pink cover that she had, 383 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: she called it pink, ran out beside Linda as she 384 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: lay in the street, nude, covered her with a with 385 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: this pink covering, and looked at her. And the final 386 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: thing that Linda Fricky heard was them saying or praying, 387 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: a case like this from a forensics perspective, you you 388 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: would believe that we would have a very specific cause 389 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: of death. And I'm sure that many of you all 390 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: that are listening to Dave and I right now are thinking, well, 391 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: I know precisely what killed her. Well, I got to 392 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: tell you this is such a dynamic event, Dave, that 393 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: it's one of these things kind of you know, kind 394 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: of you make a choice. There's there's a list of 395 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 1: things that you can kind of call upon to to 396 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: say what the cause of death is. 397 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about this because there was 398 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: a story out of Florida a couple of years ago 399 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: where a police officer was being drug He was right 400 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 2: and he was holding onto the driver's side door as 401 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: the criminal took off, and because of bodycam footage you 402 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 2: could actually see him holding on him from CCT cameras. 403 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: How he was able to hold himself up. This is 404 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: a man who's in shape and everything else. And what 405 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 2: I noticed in that compared to this okay, right, right, 406 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 2: right and in shape police officer wearing his uniform and 407 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: having shoes and all that that being drug as far 408 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: as he was, which was not a whole lot further 409 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 2: than Miss Fricky was. 410 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: His shoes. 411 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: The souls have been worn all the way down to 412 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: the bunk to where it cut into his feet. The 413 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: asphalt was cutting. You can see bone on his feet. 414 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: That's how bad that is. 415 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: Cool. 416 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 2: It showed where other parts where he had lost his 417 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: balance briefly and was drugged along the pavement where it 418 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: scraped skin off, just you know, and it ripped clothing first, 419 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 2: and the skin right with I mean, and it showed 420 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: he was out of work for a year or so 421 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: recovering from and he survived. He did not get beaten 422 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: ahead of time. He did not have his arm tore off. 423 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: He got you know, he actually did finally get off 424 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: the car. But I was thinking about that when you 425 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: were describing what this seventy three year old grandmother went 426 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: through after getting beaten in the car by the eighteen 427 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: year old John Henrie. Beats her and he keeps beating her, 428 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: that's the whole thing. He keeps beating She can't get 429 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: out fast enough. He's beating her and beating her as 430 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: they're going on the road. She can't get out of 431 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 2: his way. 432 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: She can't. 433 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 2: She's hung up in this seatbelt. She can't get he's 434 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: still beating her. He's and I like pictures of the 435 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: other three women, they're cheerly eating him on. But I'm 436 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: thinking about that police officer and how the damage that 437 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: he had to his legs and feet, how much worse 438 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: it was for a seventy three year old grandmother not 439 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 2: in the best shape of her life, you know, I mean, 440 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 2: my goodness, I'm not in the shape I was ten 441 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 2: years ago. And all I like in picture is when 442 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 2: you talk about the neighbor bringing a blanket out just 443 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: after seeing such a horrific thing, at least there is 444 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: some humanity to leave her with a little sense of 445 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: dignity about herself in this horrific time. 446 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: Oh and you know I was I'm glad you said this, Dave, 447 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: because I was thinking about this before we started taping today. 448 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, there would be days when 449 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: we would go into the Morgan and there would be 450 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: so many bodies that we would have to do. Many 451 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: times you'd walk in and each you know you have 452 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: sometimes you'll in some of the morgus I worked in, 453 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: you had multiple tables that were pushed up to the sinks. 454 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: I think the biggest one I ever worked in, we 455 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: had like eight bodies on movable trays that were sitting 456 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: there and each body was waiting to be autopsy, and 457 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: then there were more in the cooler that had to 458 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: come out and be autopsy that day. So you would 459 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: just start going down the line, and in that environment 460 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: it is it's it gets, it gets, there's redundancy with it, 461 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: there's tedium with it sometimes. But Dave, even even in 462 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: that environment, you would stand over, you know, Miss Fricky's 463 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: remains and you would look at them, and this would 464 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: give even the most hardened medical legal personnel pause because 465 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: as you you you see her laid there before you, 466 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: and the trauma that she had sustained. You mentioned the 467 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: police officer down in Florida, and this is an excellent point. 468 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: Linda would have had what's referred to as road road rash. 469 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: Literally you people hear that and they don't really know 470 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: what it is, but it's a when you're on this 471 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: surface and you can imagine like a poored asshalt or 472 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: you know, some kind of cement surface and you're being 473 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: drug across it, you're gonna have these deep you're gonna 474 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: have superficial, and you're gonna have even deeper upbraided areas 475 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: where your skin is actually being peeled off. In the 476 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: dynamics of this event, Dave, it sounds as though, man, 477 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: that she is almost spinning on her axis, you know, 478 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: like this, So it's not just going to be like 479 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: on the back or on the side or on the abdomen. 480 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna have evidence of this because they went for 481 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: two blocks and she's she's alive. She's a live Remember 482 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: remember what I said. They said they heard her say 483 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: please stop, please, She's begging for her life. 484 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 2: That was one of the things that came up in court. 485 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: You could have stopped anytime, anytime, anytime. You could have 486 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: stopped in the car when you realized it was an 487 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: old woman. You could have stopped. 488 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 489 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: Any of the three women could have could have jumped 490 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: out as it stopped. They could have stopped it. Anything 491 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: could have happened that didn't happen. And that's where you 492 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: want to know where evil lives in the heart of 493 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: this soul that could do this. 494 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. You know. You know you think, well, 495 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: if he has a grandma, would he have done this 496 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: to his grandma? Yeah? You know, And that gives you pause. 497 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: But when an interesting point was made. You remember how 498 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: I mentioned the lady that came out with a blanket, Yeah, 499 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: to try to aid her. One of the things that 500 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: she recalled, and this is very powerful. She sits there 501 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: and she says, I was looking at her. I was 502 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: thinking where's the blood? Because the one thing she did 503 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: recognize that I'm revealing right now is that Linda's arm, 504 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: along with her clothing had been torn away, torn away, 505 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: and you would think that you would see a copious 506 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: amount of blood pouring from her boy even if she 507 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: was not still alive. There is a report that said 508 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: that she was not deceased immediately that there, you know, 509 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: she's still there. And they literally watched her pass away 510 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: in the middle of this dirty street in mid city 511 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: New Orleans. And you know, they're hovering over her telling 512 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: her that we're we're praying for you. But her arm 513 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: was actually torn away, but she wasn't presenting with a 514 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: lot of blood. And you know, this this trial, the 515 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: sentencing just has wrapped up, and we'll get to that 516 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: moment for Henri. The other individuals, the other three individuals 517 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,959 Speaker 1: have previously been sent because they played guilty immediately. Not Henri. 518 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: Not Henri. He did not. He did not. He wanted 519 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: to go to trial and his trial wound up lasting 520 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: one day. But the pathologist for the Orleans Parish Corners 521 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: Office testified in this case, Dave, and let me, if 522 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: you'll permit me, just let me tell you what her 523 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: primary injuries were. First off, they classified her death the 524 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: immediate cause of death as blunt force injuries or blunt 525 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: force trauma, and that does make sense because she's being pummeled, 526 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, going down the road, being drug along. But 527 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: her aorda is torn, which is, if you'll think about 528 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: your heart and the position of your heart, off of 529 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: the very top of your heart, the largest vessel in 530 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: human body, the root of it is in the top 531 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: of the heart. Essentially it comes off and kind of 532 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: arches down. One of the things we look for at 533 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: autopsy and particularly in car accidents, is the most fragile 534 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: part of the orda is what's referred to as the 535 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: order arch. It's very fragile, so where it actually makes 536 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: the curve where it's going to drop down and travels 537 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: down the spine then eventually splits into the femoral arteries 538 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: and all that. That's one of the most fragile spots, 539 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: particularly in car accidents or blunt force trauma to the chest, 540 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: and so you can get this ripping that takes place there. 541 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: And in addition to that, Linda suffered a fractured collar bone. 542 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: Makes sense if you're driving up on a curb and 543 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: she's being drug along. You can imagine, I've broken my 544 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: collarbone before, very painful. She also had multiple fractured ribs, 545 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: which again goes along with blunt force trauma where she's 546 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: being banged around. And then finally she had fractured for 547 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: tebral bodies as well. So she's all of this is occurring, 548 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: this dynamic is occurring all in her upper body. That 549 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: doesn't mean there's not injuries to her lower body. But 550 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: back to the order. Remember what I said about the 551 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: lady not seeing any blood. You recall that when she 552 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 1: got there and she's looking down. Can you imagine looking 553 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: down and you see this location where Linda's arm used 554 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: to be, you know, the one that used to hold 555 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: her grandchildren, and she's thinking, I can only imagine there's 556 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: there's no blood here. And I think personally that the 557 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: reason she didn't see a lot of blood is probably 558 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: due to the fact that she had this ruptured day order. 559 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: And when you get a ruptured day order and your 560 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: heart is still pumping, your chest cavity is literally filling 561 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: up with blood. Now, this to me, if you're if 562 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: you're if you're seeking some shred of comfort or mercy 563 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: when you hear this horrible tale of Linda's death. You're 564 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: thinking that if the aorda is compromised, if it's blown 565 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: out or torn, perhaps just perhaps she's sinking away. She's 566 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: sinking away and she's losing consciousness. She didn't have to 567 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: feel the pain, because I can tell you, David, I 568 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: don't know of anything that could potentially be more painful 569 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: than this, with these multiple broken bones and certainly an 570 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: arm that's been torn away. 571 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm thinking where you said there was the woman 572 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 2: didn't see blood. She's expecting to see blood. I expect 573 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 2: to see blood. Then you mentioned the order. So the 574 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 2: blood is in the chest cavity, but it's not going 575 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 2: to come out from where the arm. It's not going 576 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 2: to come out from other parts of the body that 577 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 2: have been damaged. Is it because the blood isn't the 578 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 2: heart's not pumping anymore, it just can't come out, right. 579 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: That's that's my theory and what happens. 580 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: That actually makes sense, though, Joe, it really does. I 581 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 2: couldn't figure that out when you told me earlier that 582 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: the question was where's the blood? She covered her with 583 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 2: a pink blanket, but where's the blood? 584 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: And that with that whatever that tear was in her 585 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 1: order is pumping out blood. First off, it'll go into 586 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: the pair cardial sack perhaps that surrounds the heart UH, 587 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: and that's called a Tampa nod. But if it if 588 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: other elements within the anatomy are ripped away, that her 589 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: chest would be filling with blood. Her lungs would literally 590 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: be floating blood. And you know, when you do a 591 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: case like this and you open the body at autopsy, 592 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: it is not uncommon to see the lungs actually floating 593 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: in the chest in blood. And this is one of 594 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: the reasons like when you if if you've ever seen 595 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: somebody that has to go into the emergency room and 596 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: they have what's referred to as like a flail chest, 597 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: like blunt impact in a car accident, one of the 598 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: things that will occur is that in between in the 599 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: intercostal spaces in the UH in the chest, that's the 600 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: the muscle in between the ribs. They'll cut a hole 601 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: in there and they'll put a tube and the tube 602 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: will drain out all of that blood because one of 603 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 1: the things that happens is that you're suffocating because your 604 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: your lungs can't expand to take on more air and 605 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: of course, they'll have to surgically repair this if it's possible. 606 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: A order is a very tricky thing, so you would 607 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: have to have a cardiothoracic surgeon standing by right there 608 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: in order to facilitate this to save her life. And 609 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: my only hope here, Dave, is that is that she 610 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: didn't feel any any more pain than she had already. 611 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that she didn't suffer, is what I'm saying, 612 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: any more than she had to, because God knows her 613 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: family suffered. Her family suffered in you know, those people 614 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: that bore witness to this suffered. 615 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 2: When it comes down to having to make a decision 616 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: on what cause of death really was, do you have 617 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: to go through each injury and kind of build a 618 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 2: timetable of when it took place so that you can 619 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: get to because you can certainly suffer a lot, a 620 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 2: lot of injuries in like this. I mean, you you're 621 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 2: suffering injuries when you're getting beaten in the front of 622 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 2: the car. Any one of those, any one of those 623 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 2: shots to her head her body could have been a 624 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 2: could have caused your death. And I'm just wondering, do 625 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 2: you have to build that timeline of injury from the 626 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 2: very first injury to the very last one and decide 627 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 2: which one of these was the fatal one or how 628 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: many were fatal. 629 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: I guess this is a fantastic question because in forensics, 630 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: one of the things that investigators will ask us to 631 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: do is sequence injuries. You know what injuries came first. 632 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: But from our perspective, in our analysis, from a scientific standpoint, 633 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: we're thinking which injuries are the most impactful, what's going 634 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: to have the highest probability of bringing about death, What 635 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: is the most catastrophic thing that she suffered. And I'm 636 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: very interested in the fact that the aorda was listed, 637 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised because out of all of my 638 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: years of working in the Morgan certainly investigating cases out 639 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: on the streets, aortas are one of those things that 640 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: is it's almost one hundred percent surety that you're going 641 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: to die. If you can't be meta act way to 642 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: a hospital that has the level of treatment trauma treatment 643 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 1: that would be available that could stem this, you don't 644 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: have any chance whatsoever of surviving. And certainly that's the 645 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: case with Linda Frickey. But do they know when that happened? 646 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: Do they know when that happens. 647 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 2: I know, we've got video. We have video of the 648 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 2: beating that took place in the car. We've got different 649 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 2: camera angles going from the very beginning to the end, 650 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 2: which is I cannot imagine how horrific that was and 651 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 2: is for the family as well, as You've mentioned the 652 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 2: witnesses several times. And I'm glad sometimes we forget that. Yeah, 653 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 2: family hurts, Those closest hurt. But when you're a part 654 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 2: of something, you cannot affect change, You cannot help this person. 655 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 2: It's done, and you're just what you become a victim 656 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 2: of the crime by extension. Yes, And I'm just curious, 657 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 2: you know, in that we get to see all of 658 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 2: this as you put it together. Could that have happened 659 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 2: early on or at the end. 660 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: I think that if you're this could be one of 661 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: two things. This could either be what's referred to as 662 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: a torquing or torsion injury, where she's twisted to the 663 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 1: point that the a order would tear. My suspicion is 664 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,320 Speaker 1: is that she probably sustained literal blunt force trauma. Perhaps 665 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: if people at home will put your your fingertips right 666 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: on top of your sternum, like really near the top 667 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: that approximates the area where your aor to sit. So 668 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: she was impacted, say, for instance, on that curb when 669 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: he jumped the curb, that could be when this started. 670 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: And remember her arm was not, according to what the 671 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: witnesses were saying, was not torn away until after he 672 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: hit that post or after he hit that guide wire, 673 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: I guess, is how we could actually call it. And 674 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: it was clipped away, and her clothing was all twisted 675 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: up in there along with the arm as well, and 676 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 1: so but yeah, to say that it actually happened at 677 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: this precise moment that I think that that would be very, 678 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: very difficult. It's not you know, if you had somebody, 679 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: like if you had a static event with like a shooting, 680 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: and you had it on video and you could see 681 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: the shooting where somebody's actually struck in the chest and 682 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: they died and you open their body and they were 683 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: clipped in the order, you could say it then. But 684 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: everything so, even though we have CCTV footage, you can't 685 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: see what's going on internally, and they were not able 686 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 1: to appreciate that until they got her to the morgue. 687 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: Even though you knew that it was going to be 688 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: bad based on what you were seeing externally. 689 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 2: So what happens now, Joe, when you have something like 690 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 2: this where it gets to this point where you're you 691 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 2: you've got this laundry list of medical issues when you 692 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 2: go to court, do you have to explain all of 693 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 2: these things to jury so they understand Do they have 694 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 2: to know what happened from the very beginning of the 695 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 2: attack till the very end or can you gain planet differently? 696 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,439 Speaker 1: No? I think in this case, and my understanding, this 697 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: is what the prosecutor did. They laid this thing out 698 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: very very precisely. And the two key witnesses here are 699 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: going to be those eyewitnesses, the man and the woman. 700 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: There were other ones, but there were two in particular 701 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: that are constantly quoted in the news, and of course 702 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: the forensic pathologist. I think that the fact that such 703 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: horror could be painted and I can only imagine, and 704 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just kind of projecting here, but when that 705 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: forensic pathologist begins to give her testimony in this trial, 706 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: and that is coupled with what the eyewitnesses saw, can't 707 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: you just see that jury cutting their eyes over there 708 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: at that table where Henri is sitting. Because I can 709 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: tell you a lot of those the jury members, probably 710 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: the Lionship. Many people don't leave New Orleans. New Orleanians 711 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: through and through these people have lived. They're very familiar 712 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: with this area of town. It's not like New Orleans 713 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: is this gigantic place. They know where mid City is, 714 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: they know where Scott Boulevard is, all right, they know 715 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: where Bnville is. 716 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 2: Just like you did when you were explaining it to me, 717 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 2: even though you've been gone from there for years, you 718 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 2: were able to explain to me where we were talking about. 719 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: And that's part of being from New Orleans and understanding 720 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: the fine detail. Because they know all those people in 721 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: the jury. They know what the streets are like, they 722 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: know what those curves are like, they know what violence 723 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: is like. They've borne witness to it or had family members. 724 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: But I don't know that any of them walked into 725 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: that court thinking that they were going to see something 726 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: so barbaric. And that's really the only way I think, 727 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: you know, on one level, this would make Romans blush, 728 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: you know, when you think about what that neighborhood had 729 00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: to bear witness to with Missus Fricky's murder, and in 730 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: this particular case, I think that I'm hoping, Dave and 731 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,959 Speaker 1: I try to really be very positive about these sorts 732 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: of things, because look, I could chime in and be 733 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: just as negative as everybody else. I'm hoping that Miss 734 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,719 Speaker 1: Fricky's death will actually be a moment in time where 735 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: people will look back and say, we can do better 736 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: than this. We're going to do better than this. We're 737 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: going to keep control over our kids, We're going to 738 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: know where they're at, and we're going to try to 739 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: teach them right for wrong. Because I got to tell you, Dave, 740 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,359 Speaker 1: if this is the direction that we're all going in, 741 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: it's very very grim. I think that it's important to 742 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: note that John Henri was actually found guilty after a 743 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: one day trial of second degree murder, and he has 744 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,799 Speaker 1: been sentenced to spend at least the next twenty five 745 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: years in prison Angola. The only reason he was spared 746 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: the death penalty was that he was seventeen years old 747 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: when he committed this. Holy Side, I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, 748 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: and this is body batt