WEBVTT - The Screen

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<v Speaker 1>In the late eighteen hundreds, before anybody in rural East

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<v Speaker 1>Asia had ever heard the name Karl Marx. The Kim

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<v Speaker 1>family was like any other, a family of hard working

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<v Speaker 1>farmers living among a close neck clan of villagers. The

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<v Speaker 1>Kims were poor. Their dinners consisted of gruel, with meat

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<v Speaker 1>and fruit as rare luxuries. The family didn't even own

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<v Speaker 1>a clock. If anybody wanted to know the time, someone

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<v Speaker 1>would have to run over to the neighbor's house. The

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<v Speaker 1>kids found solace in Christianity and attended church every Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>The family also prized education, and around the turn of

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<v Speaker 1>the century, Kim Il Sung's father, then just a small boy,

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<v Speaker 1>enrolled in class at a modest one room schoolhouse topped

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<v Speaker 1>with a thatched roof. The young Kim was the class monitor,

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<v Speaker 1>something of a teacher's pet. His lecturer, however, was a

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<v Speaker 1>notorious drunk. Each day, the teacher held court in front

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<v Speaker 1>of class, swaying back and forth as he drained the

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<v Speaker 1>bottles of wine. He'd frequently finished the glass and point

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<v Speaker 1>at the young Kim, sending him to fetch more. Kimil

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<v Speaker 1>Song's father meekly obliged, but one day after class, the

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<v Speaker 1>young boy spied his teacher walking down the street. The

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<v Speaker 1>man could barely stand, his legs wobbling as he tried

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain balance. Suddenly, the teacher swayed forward, his legs

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<v Speaker 1>unable to keep up, and he tumbled base first into

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<v Speaker 1>a muddy ditch. The boy blushed an embarrassment. A few

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<v Speaker 1>days later, as the young Kim sat in class, the

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<v Speaker 1>teacher point it in his direction and asked him to

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<v Speaker 1>make the familiar trip for wine. The customary filial piety

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<v Speaker 1>extended to teachers after all. Kim collected his instructor's money

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<v Speaker 1>and slipped out for the market. But Kim couldn't shake

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<v Speaker 1>the shameful image of his drunken teacher lying on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>face soaked in mud, and then an idea. He gripped

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<v Speaker 1>his teacher's bottle and heaved it against the rock. Shards

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<v Speaker 1>of glass burst over the dirt. The boy returned to class,

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<v Speaker 1>broken bottle in hand, clothing stained with wine, gasping for air,

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<v Speaker 1>and told the teacher an elaborate story about how he

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<v Speaker 1>had been chased by a tiger. He had run for

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<v Speaker 1>his life and tripped, shattering the bottle who the teacher

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<v Speaker 1>listened with horror. This time, he turned red and shame.

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<v Speaker 1>Later that day, the young Kim returned home and told

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<v Speaker 1>his father what had happened. The family elder listened to

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<v Speaker 1>his son's story and nodded in pride. Then he leaned

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<v Speaker 1>forward and said something that would cement itself into North

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<v Speaker 1>Korean lore. If pupils peep into their teacher's private life frequently,

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<v Speaker 1>they lose their awe of him. The teacher must give

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<v Speaker 1>his pupils a firm belief that their teacher neither eats

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<v Speaker 1>nor urinates. Only then can he maintain his authority at school.

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<v Speaker 1>So teachers should set up a screen and live behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>Set up a screen and live behind it. Years later,

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<v Speaker 1>the young Kim would share that advice with his own son,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim il Sung, the future Supreme Leader, would find the

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<v Speaker 1>anecdote so stirring, so wise, that he had included in

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<v Speaker 1>his official memoirs. Its lessons would become central to his

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy on life and leadership. Today, the story of the

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<v Speaker 1>teacher still serves as a model for the Kim family.

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<v Speaker 1>If an authority wants to maintain his grip on power,

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<v Speaker 1>his divine god given right to rule over others, then

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<v Speaker 1>he must find a way to hide all faults. Anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who compromises or desecrates that carefully calibrated image, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>a journalist or a movie made by Sony or even

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<v Speaker 1>your own son, is threatening to do more than merely

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<v Speaker 1>damage a man's ego. They challenge the very structure, the

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<v Speaker 1>very foundation of authority itself. The screen, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>must be protected at all costs. I'm eaten Lee, and

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode we explore the extreme lengths the North

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<v Speaker 1>Korean regime will go to to protect its image, and

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<v Speaker 1>how the country's obsession with that very image led not

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<v Speaker 1>only to its downfall but to Kim Jong nams as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But what the North Korean regime did is they really

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<v Speaker 1>emphasized Korean as. They said, we are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the most Korean of the two Koreas. These people would

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<v Speaker 1>be publicly executed and their families sent to labor in

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<v Speaker 1>central political detention facilities. Many North Korean defectors say the leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the sun. You don't want to get too

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<v Speaker 1>close because you're room. You don't want to get too

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<v Speaker 1>far because you'll be freezing. And he was too close

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<v Speaker 1>and was scorched by it. This is big brother after

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<v Speaker 1>the Tokyo Disneyland incident, pundits and went wild with speculation

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Nam, who was being groomed to inherit North

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<v Speaker 1>Korea's communist dynasty, was unceremoniously kicked out of Japan yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>after he tried to sneak into the country with his

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<v Speaker 1>family for a trip to Tokyo Disneyland. It was two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one. This was one of the first times

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<v Speaker 1>a member of North Korea's royal family had been seen

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<v Speaker 1>outside the country in public Journalists flocked to Tokyo and

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<v Speaker 1>analysts poured over images, searching for hidden meaning in everything

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<v Speaker 1>from Kim Jong Nam's goal to wristwatch to his trendy

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<v Speaker 1>around glasses. Years later, analysts would suggest that Kim Jong

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<v Speaker 1>Nam was kicked out of North Korea and sent to

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<v Speaker 1>the gambling mecca of Macau all because of the Tokyo

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<v Speaker 1>Disneyland incident. It was, after all, an international embarrassment. Here

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<v Speaker 1>was the son of the world's most famous living communist

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<v Speaker 1>dictator trying to cross international borders to visit what is

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<v Speaker 1>probably the most unabashedly capitalist organization on the planet. But

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<v Speaker 1>many experts we interviewed, including the North Korea watcher Michael Madden,

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<v Speaker 1>I think these pundits are wrong. You know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an easier narrative. I think for some people to

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<v Speaker 1>say that Kim jong nam was the successor and because

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<v Speaker 1>he happened to want to go to Tokyo Disney Resort

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<v Speaker 1>with his family in two thousand one, well, lo and

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<v Speaker 1>behold he got passed over for succession. Then that's just

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<v Speaker 1>not true. Why. Well, because the Kims are frankly hypocrites.

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<v Speaker 1>The royal family has been visiting disney resorts for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Years before the incident, Kim Jong un and his mother

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<v Speaker 1>went to Tokyo to ride those same teacups. Nor was

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<v Speaker 1>Kim jong nam exiled for using a fake Dominican passport.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong un and his immediate family routinely use fake

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<v Speaker 1>Brazilian passports to travel abroad all the time, so did

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of a family. Kim Jong Il wasn't angry

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<v Speaker 1>that his son went to Japan or that he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Disney. He was angry that his son

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<v Speaker 1>got caught. Kim Jong Il was obsessed with the family's privacy.

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<v Speaker 1>He sincerely felt that his legitimacy depended on maintaining the

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<v Speaker 1>so called screen. In fact, most North Koreans didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know that dear Leader had children at all. The fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Kim jong Nam attracted so much attention to himself

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<v Speaker 1>did more than puncture the all powerful, very private world

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<v Speaker 1>of Kim Jong Il. It had broken precedent. Kim children

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<v Speaker 1>historically were neither seen nor heard, but Kim jong Nam

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<v Speaker 1>had drawn attention to himself and had essentially snubbed the leader.

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<v Speaker 1>This put the entire system at risk, and that's because

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<v Speaker 1>the Kim regime controls the flow of information. Every radio,

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<v Speaker 1>every television must be registered with the police and can

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<v Speaker 1>only pick up domestics state sponsored channels. Loudspeakers are sprinkled

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<v Speaker 1>across cities and towns, playing patriotic Kim's every morning and

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<v Speaker 1>relaying public service announcements. Of course, activists outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>country try to break through this wall of propaganda. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why the thirty parallel the line separating North and South

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<v Speaker 1>Korea see some of the most intense radio jamming activity

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. In two thousand one, as news agencies

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<v Speaker 1>buzzed about Kim Jong Nam's deportation, Kim Jong Il could

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<v Speaker 1>do little more than cross his fingers and hope this

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<v Speaker 1>barricade of propaganda would hold. In other words, the Tokyo

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<v Speaker 1>Disneyland incident created a lot of unnecessary stress for Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Jong NAMA's father. But was that the reason he was

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<v Speaker 1>passed over as successor? Was that why he was kicked

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<v Speaker 1>out of the country. Maybe, But there's another theory, because

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<v Speaker 1>a few years earlier, the people who had raised Kim

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<v Speaker 1>jong nam had done the unthinkable, and then he began

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<v Speaker 1>having ideas that not only threatened the stability of the regime,

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<v Speaker 1>it threatened the life of his father. In the early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties, just as Kim jong Nam was gaining prominence

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<v Speaker 1>in the regime, Residence Number fifteen was in turmoil. All over.

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<v Speaker 1>Members of Cheng Nam's family were defecting at an alarming rate.

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<v Speaker 1>The exodus started in two when Kim's cousin I Hanyon

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<v Speaker 1>had been studying in Switzerland. One day, the cousin made

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<v Speaker 1>a fateful call to the South Korean embassy and asked

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<v Speaker 1>for asylum. According to Dr Sung Yun Lee, he would

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<v Speaker 1>do everything to hide from the game. This person changed

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<v Speaker 1>his name, underwent cosmetic surgery so that he would not

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<v Speaker 1>be recognized by North Korean spies and the North Korean state.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in Kiongyang, news of ease defection became a closely

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<v Speaker 1>guarded secret. A member of the royal family defecting to

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<v Speaker 1>the South. It was an embarrassing disgrace, the kind that

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<v Speaker 1>could stay Kim Jong Il's reputation. The problem was he

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<v Speaker 1>did not keep a low profile. By the nineties, he

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<v Speaker 1>was struggling to make money, so he began leaking news

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<v Speaker 1>to the press, earning an income by telling stories about

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<v Speaker 1>the regime. He often talked about Kim Jong Nam's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been exiled to Russia. He was also making

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<v Speaker 1>regular calls to his mother, Kim Jong Nam's aunt, and

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<v Speaker 1>after just two months of conversations, he convinced her to

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<v Speaker 1>defect as well. And then sometime in the mid ninety nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>this nephew of Kim Jong wrote an expose a book

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<v Speaker 1>on the royal family, which embarrassed Kim Jong. He published

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<v Speaker 1>a tell all book about life behind the palace walls,

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<v Speaker 1>a book you should know that became the source for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of palace intrigue you've heard in this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite changing his name and his appearance, he could

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<v Speaker 1>not escape the regime's wrath. He was standing outside his

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<v Speaker 1>home when gunshots reign. He was assassinated by North Korean

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<v Speaker 1>agents in Seoul, just one day before Kim Jong his birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a major national holiday. News of his murder

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<v Speaker 1>shocked everybody who had once lived in Residence Number fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>He's mother, who had defected while visiting Geneva a year earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>went into hiding in the European countryside. Like her son,

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<v Speaker 1>she too would write a book that embarrassed the regime.

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<v Speaker 1>In it, she compared palace life to jail. Even if

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<v Speaker 1>there were plenty of books and I could take twelve

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<v Speaker 1>baths a day and eat all kinds of delicacies, the

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<v Speaker 1>residents was a prison to me. To this day, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>knows where she is or if she's dead or alive.

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<v Speaker 1>But the most shocking defection was the escape of Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Jong Nam's childhood playmate Inamo. She fled the country and

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<v Speaker 1>in a great risk to her own life, she too

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a memoir detailing the ins and outs of palace life.

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<v Speaker 1>I was terrified of being found and taken back to

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea, of being taken home in the bag. I

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<v Speaker 1>would have preferred to be killed on the spot rather

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<v Speaker 1>than suffer alife in the minds or the countryside. By

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<v Speaker 1>the countryside, she means a prison camp. As far as

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<v Speaker 1>we know, Ena Walk remains in hiding, probably somewhere in France.

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<v Speaker 1>Even sleuthing journalists like Na Fifield have had trouble reaching her.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not able to speak with Na Mock. She

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<v Speaker 1>declined to talk to me. I did speak to her

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<v Speaker 1>husband several times, who said to me, you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>fears for her life. Her half or her cousin, who

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<v Speaker 1>was really like her brother, has been assassinated. Her own

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<v Speaker 1>brother had been assassinated in South Korea, so she did

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<v Speaker 1>not see any benefit to speaking about the North Korean

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<v Speaker 1>regime in public. As Ena Walk put in her last

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<v Speaker 1>public interview, being exposed means death to our family way,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's right. In North Korea, having a single defector

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<v Speaker 1>in your family can leave a deadly stain one your

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<v Speaker 1>family cannot escape, and by the late nineties, Kim Jong

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<v Speaker 1>Nam had at least three. If you do something that's wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>your entire family will also pay the price. That's Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Sandra Fahey, I'm an associate professor at Carlton University. She's

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<v Speaker 1>been studying North Korea's human rights abuses for decades, and

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<v Speaker 1>as she explains, it punishes and prevents defectors in a

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<v Speaker 1>unique way. North Korea operates something that others produous love abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>They will take the fact that you care for others

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<v Speaker 1>and they will use that against you. So you care

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<v Speaker 1>for your family, and that is a great way to

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<v Speaker 1>control what you do. So you might want to leave

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea, but you can't do that because if you do,

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<v Speaker 1>your freedom comes at the cost of the life sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>of others. In other words, if you defect, your loved

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<v Speaker 1>ones will get sent to a prison camp. It will

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<v Speaker 1>also tarnish your entire bloodline. Thanks to a cast system

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<v Speaker 1>invented by Kim Il sung. This houngboon system I translated

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<v Speaker 1>to mean like political ingredients, as if your politics is

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<v Speaker 1>in your DNA and it's something that you inherit. This

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<v Speaker 1>Houngboon is a system of classification. Rather than separating people

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<v Speaker 1>by economic class, it separates citizens by their loyalty to

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<v Speaker 1>the regime, and it's treated as natural as if it's

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<v Speaker 1>ingrained in your DNA. This DNA cannot be altered, no

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<v Speaker 1>amount of bribing, no amount of connections. Today, a computer

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<v Speaker 1>database tracks every single person in North Korea, classifying them

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<v Speaker 1>into fifty one different categories which determine whether they are loyal, wavering,

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<v Speaker 1>or hostile. You're a place within this hungboun determines everything.

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<v Speaker 1>This sung bun system determines what type of job you

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<v Speaker 1>can get, what individuals you can marry, where you can live,

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<v Speaker 1>and the worst part is people can do little to

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<v Speaker 1>change their Basically, if your family had any connections with

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<v Speaker 1>the South Koreans um or with the Japanese the Americans

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<v Speaker 1>during the Korean War, then you are considered a collaborator,

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<v Speaker 1>a trader, suspicious and of course your children would inherit

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<v Speaker 1>this classification too. Today, most North Koreans live in the

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<v Speaker 1>terrifying middle zone. Classified as wavering, who are considered hostile

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<v Speaker 1>are sent straight to re education camps or to prison camps.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim jong Nam was lucky. He was born to the

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<v Speaker 1>strongest hungband possible. But after three close family members, especially

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<v Speaker 1>those who had raised him as a child, had defected,

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<v Speaker 1>his hungband status was permanently marked by an asterisk if

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<v Speaker 1>loyalty was ingrained in DNA. What did that say about

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Nam? If his family could not be trusted.

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<v Speaker 1>Could anybody trust the prince himself? It appears that in

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<v Speaker 1>the upper echelons of North Korean society the answer was no.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been trying. I've been trying to get this out

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<v Speaker 1>for years. That again is Michael Madden, the North Korea Watcher,

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<v Speaker 1>and he claims that in the early two thousand's rumor

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<v Speaker 1>spread that somebody in the regime was out to get

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong nams first assassination plot against Kim Jong nab

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<v Speaker 1>the first credible threat on his life was in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand four, okay, And so that basically tells us that

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<v Speaker 1>there were other North Korean elites that were a threat.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the question. Who were these elites trying to

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<v Speaker 1>kill Kim Jong nam? And why? Was it because his

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<v Speaker 1>trip to Disneyland had jeopardized the so called screen? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it because of his family's history of defecting, or was

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<v Speaker 1>there another reason one that might put the whole regime

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<v Speaker 1>at risk. Kiml Song never intended it to be this way,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not in the beginning. There was never supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a cast system in North Korea. The DPRK,

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<v Speaker 1>after all, was supposed to be a class free utopia.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was a reason communism was such an attractive

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<v Speaker 1>option to Koreans in the early nine hundreds. For centuries,

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<v Speaker 1>the peninsula was arguably the most class divided region on

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<v Speaker 1>the planet. The entire society was divided into hereditary ranks,

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<v Speaker 1>the land owning aristocrats or young bun on top, the

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<v Speaker 1>white collar bureaucrats or tongueing in the middle, the peasants

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<v Speaker 1>and so called commoners or tongue men, and chung men

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<v Speaker 1>near the bottom. And below all that the pick jung,

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<v Speaker 1>the untouchables thrust into this hierarchy where the Doobe people

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<v Speaker 1>stuck in what was the world's longest running system of

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<v Speaker 1>chattel slavery in Korea, slavery acid for more than one thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred uninterrupted years. By its height in the sixteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>slaves were estimated to make up thirty percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>peninsula's population. In Slavery was legally abolished and the class

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<v Speaker 1>system in eighteen nine, but culturally little changed. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can probably understand why in the early twentieth century the

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<v Speaker 1>promise of a classless communist society held such a lure.

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<v Speaker 1>These socialist sympathies were only heightened by a rising tide

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<v Speaker 1>of nationalism. By the time Cameo Song came around, the

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<v Speaker 1>Korean Peninsula had been colonized and brutalized by Japanese settlers

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<v Speaker 1>for decades leading up to World War Two. The Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>occupation still stirs resentment in both the North and south.

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<v Speaker 1>The Japanese were horrific to Koreans. That again is Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Young. They had made Koreans learn their non native language,

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<v Speaker 1>They made them adopt Japanese name, They made them basically

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get rid of their Korean nous. Koreans were

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<v Speaker 1>forced to worship at Shinto shrines and watched helplessly as

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese destroyed thousands of cultural artifacts and historical documents.

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<v Speaker 1>Native trees and plants were leveled to make room for

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<v Speaker 1>non native species. The Royal Palace In's home, which had

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<v Speaker 1>been erected in the thirteen hundreds, was partially destroyed. The

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<v Speaker 1>human cost was jarring. Nearly a million Koreans were sent

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<v Speaker 1>to Japan and forced into labor. Resistors were executed back home.

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<v Speaker 1>Taxas skyrocketed, forcing Korean landowners to give up ancestral land.

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese settlers swooped in and by the nineteen thirties controlled

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<v Speaker 1>majority of the country's farmland. Millions of Koreans would be

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<v Speaker 1>denied basic rights from rations to meal delivery simply because

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<v Speaker 1>they had the wrong names. Untold numbers would starve. During

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two, the Imperial Japanese Army would force up

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<v Speaker 1>to four hundred thousand Korean girls and women into sex

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<v Speaker 1>slavery as so called comfort women. In nineteen when Kimio

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<v Speaker 1>Song was just six years old, he saw the brutality

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<v Speaker 1>of the Japanese occupation first hand. His father had been

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<v Speaker 1>arrested and imprisoned for joining a pro Korean organization. On

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<v Speaker 1>the day of his father's release, the young Kim waited

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<v Speaker 1>anxiously outside the prison. His father emerged from the seal gates,

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<v Speaker 1>his body covered in wounds and bruises. He could barely walk.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Chimio Sung's official memoirs, his father vowed to

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<v Speaker 1>take revenge. The enemy must be made to pay for

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<v Speaker 1>our blood, even if we must die. Kimilsung's father wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be the first or last family member abused in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>In one of Kimil Song's uncles joined three men and

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<v Speaker 1>ambushed a Japanese police officer, shooting and killing him. After

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<v Speaker 1>the murder, the men ran to a family friend in

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<v Speaker 1>desperation for a place to hide. The friend graciously offered

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<v Speaker 1>the fugitives a place to lie low as the Japanese searched,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't take much time before the authority showed

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<v Speaker 1>up at the door and put the assailants in handcuffs.

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<v Speaker 1>The men had been duped. The family friend, it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>was an informant, a secret agent for the Japanese. As

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<v Speaker 1>a result, Chimiel Sung's uncle would die in prison at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of thirty one. The memory of that one

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<v Speaker 1>man's betrayal would bake into a young Chimiel Sung's consciousness,

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<v Speaker 1>and the resulting paranoia, the idea that nobody, not even

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<v Speaker 1>your closest friends, could ever be trusted, would become a

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<v Speaker 1>hallmark of the North Korean state. Chimiel Song put it

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<v Speaker 1>this way. Even now, I say that it is good

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<v Speaker 1>to believe in people, but that it is mistaken to

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<v Speaker 1>harbor illusions about them, and that would become the other

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<v Speaker 1>central part of the Kim family, so called screen. Chimiel

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<v Speaker 1>Song realized that good pr was not enough. He would

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<v Speaker 1>have to exterminate every untrustworthy element of society. From root

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<v Speaker 1>to branch, even if that meant his own close friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family in Kim jong Nam was rising through the

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<v Speaker 1>ranks of the North Korean regime. Many of his family

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<v Speaker 1>members had defected to Europe and South Korea, but he

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<v Speaker 1>stayed home, ever loyal to his father. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>rains came. The downpour was relentless. One area saw eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>inches of rain in a single day, the equivalent of

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<v Speaker 1>three Hurricane Katrina's. Coal mines flooded, water crushed hydro electric plants.

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<v Speaker 1>Flooding wiped out nearly a million acres of farmland, causing

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen billion dollars in damage nearly two million tons of

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<v Speaker 1>grain gone. The next year, the rains fell again, and

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<v Speaker 1>the year after that, like a cruel joke, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a hellish drought. The result famine mass famine. The nineties

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<v Speaker 1>exacerbated UH many of these chronic instability issues. Around six

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 1>people die, Others put the number as high as two

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 1>million people or of the population. By the late nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea plunged into an epic humanitarian crisis. By the

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<v Speaker 1>famine's peak, the country's gross national product would be cut

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<v Speaker 1>almost in half. This was not the North Korea Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Jong Nam's grandfather had imagined decades earlier. Kim Il sung

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<v Speaker 1>had built up North Korea by riding on a deep

0:27:56.160 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>resentment of the Japanese and a rising tide of nationalism.

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<v Speaker 1>He painted his Korea as the real Korea. But what

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the North Korean regime did is they really emphasized Korean as.

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>They said, we are going to actually be the legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>Korean state. We are going to be the most Korean

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<v Speaker 1>of the two Koreas. It helped that Kim Il sung

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 1>was a bona fide folk hero Korean Davy Crockett. He

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<v Speaker 1>was born in poverty, a humble church organist who bravely

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<v Speaker 1>fought the Japanese and climbed the ranks to become one

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 1>of the fiercest fighters in the rebellion. And the truth

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>is it made Kim Il sung immediately popular. Better Yet, Kim,

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<v Speaker 1>being a good communist, promised to give the oppressed Korean

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<v Speaker 1>underclass land. At the time of his installment, low class

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>peasants made up sev of North Korea's population. He gave

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:57.880
<v Speaker 1>them land in just three weeks. The reform was one

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>of the most abrupt surges of upward mobility in human history,

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 1>health care and schooling became free, and universal literacy practically vanished.

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<v Speaker 1>A law upholding the quote triple subordination of women was repealed,

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<v Speaker 1>allowing people to marry outside their traditional class. The centrally

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 1>planned economy. It worked for quite a long period of

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<v Speaker 1>time in North Korea. When the German American journalists Bernard

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<v Speaker 1>Krisher visited North Korea, he was shocked to find well

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<v Speaker 1>supported citizens living lives of happy simplicity. He described it

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<v Speaker 1>as quote one big kibbutz. This is a period that

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<v Speaker 1>was looked upon quite finally by many North Koreans because

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>they had their three bowls of rice a day, and

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>they had a roof to live under. After decades of

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>oppression from a foreign power, many North Koreans had experienced

0:29:54.480 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>a genuine uplift. The economy was roaring too. In um

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties, you could say that North Korea's economic

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 1>output was ahead of South Korea. North Korea's standard of

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>living would beat South Korea and China for decades. North

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Korea's gross national product would continue to wallop South Korea

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>until the country used twice as much energy per capita

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>in the South. It's citizens even consumed more calories per

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<v Speaker 1>day than those in the South. It helped that North

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Korea sat on a pile of natural resources gold, tungsten, iron,

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>and anthra site It's heavy industry could build top of

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the line hydroelectric and manufacturing plants. If you could look

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<v Speaker 1>past the cartoonish propaganda and psychotically sycophantic leader worship, North

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Korea looked like one of the fastest, growing, most advanced

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>countries in East Asia. But Kim Il sung, so called screen,

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>could only conceal so much a lot. This was also,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, quite shallow in terms of North Korea's self

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>reliance and Koreans because they were receiving huge amounts of

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>developmental aid from the Soviet Union into a lesser extent, China.

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 1>North Korea's success was bankrolled by two of the world's

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<v Speaker 1>largest communist superpowers, and that created issues because in the

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 1>late nineteen fifties, the USSR and China began quarreling about

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<v Speaker 1>how to move communism forward. Kemel sung did not want

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>to be stuck between the two. North Korea had a

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 1>painful history of colonization, and he didn't want to be

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 1>pushed around by anybody, so he made a decision. He

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<v Speaker 1>laid out a new political philosophy, a hodgepodge of Marxism, Latinism, Confucianism, Stalinism,

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>and nationalism that he believed would help North Korea maintain

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<v Speaker 1>its independence. It was called to It's impossible to overstate

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<v Speaker 1>just how important Toute was and is to North Korea's

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<v Speaker 1>approach to well everything. Some say it's a really central

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<v Speaker 1>to how North Korea orient itself in the world. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also impossible to overstate how this ideology would cripple the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Touche meant independence in all matters, political, economic, and cultural,

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:34.479
<v Speaker 1>and that meant North Korea wouldn't depend on Russia or

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>China for protection. To Che compelled Chemio Sung to institute

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<v Speaker 1>a military first policy, prompting the state to pour endless

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of money into its military at the expense of

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<v Speaker 1>every other institution. Funds that once bolstered the Workers Party

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>social programs are feeding and housing people were redirected into defense.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 1>North Korea would eventually allocate an obscene of its GDP

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<v Speaker 1>into its military. For comparison, the US bends three point

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>seven percent. The regime began blowing funds on parades, palaces,

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<v Speaker 1>and statues, and then Mr teared down this roar. The

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Berlin Wall fell, and so too did any financial support

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>North Korea received from the Soviets, and North Korea got

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<v Speaker 1>a taste of what self reliance was really like, and

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 1>it didn't go down easily. Imports and exports dropped dramatically.

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 1>The country's oil reserves plummeted, its ability to make steel

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:59.719
<v Speaker 1>practically vanished, the country's one strong chemical industry nearly collapsed,

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Factories closed, farmland laid to waste, and then when the

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>rains came, any relics of communism were essentially destroyed. Socialism

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>became more rhetoric and a slogan rather than the official practices.

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Underground black market started to spring up in North Korea.

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<v Speaker 1>Years later, the government would remove any mention of communism

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 1>from its constitution to check and military first became the

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:36.240
<v Speaker 1>new official guiding principles. And Kim Jong Nam was stuck

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of all of it. He was born

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>during and had heard about North Korea's Golden Age, a

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 1>time of growth and prosperity. But now in his twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>just as he was allowed to explore beyond the walls

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<v Speaker 1>of his palace prison, he was watching his country at

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<v Speaker 1>its lowest point. He watched as North Korea starved to death,

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<v Speaker 1>its industries crumbling, It's peaceful farming co ops breaking down.

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<v Speaker 1>To Kim jong Nam, it was obvious the system was outdated, broken, defunct,

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<v Speaker 1>and he couldn't stomach it. Kim jong Nam was tasked

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<v Speaker 1>with punishing people who were desperately trying to flee the

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<v Speaker 1>country in search of food. According to Michael Madden, the

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<v Speaker 1>job required Kim jong Nam to hand pick people for execution.

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<v Speaker 1>These people would be publicly executed and their families sent

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<v Speaker 1>to labor and central political detention facilities, and so Kim

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<v Speaker 1>jong Nam being a member of the family was a

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<v Speaker 1>part of that. But that kind of ruthlessness, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of brutality just wasn't in Kim jong Nam's dn A.

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<v Speaker 1>He did not. He just did not have the personality

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<v Speaker 1>or temperament to do that kind of stuff. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of broke his heart. If he had political

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<v Speaker 1>aspirations before, they just sort of surrendered. The kind of

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<v Speaker 1>died with him having to go through that. But when

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<v Speaker 1>Kim jong Nam looked around his own country, he saw

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<v Speaker 1>leaders more interested in feeding his dad's personality cult than

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<v Speaker 1>feeding the people. Kim jong nam knew things could be different.

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<v Speaker 1>China had opened up its economy, so had Vietnam, and

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<v Speaker 1>both were enjoying rapid growth. So Kim jong nam approached

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<v Speaker 1>his father with a plan. Maybe it was time to

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<v Speaker 1>reconsider che to reinspect the country's military first policy. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was time to open up North Korea. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>he was suggesting that his father lift the screen. It's

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<v Speaker 1>unclear what exactly happened next. According to Hong Kong based weekly,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim jong nam had been inspired by the reforms he

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<v Speaker 1>had read about in other communist countries. At a forum,

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<v Speaker 1>he spelled it out plainly. My father has asked me

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<v Speaker 1>to reorganize the state economy somewhat. I think there's no

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<v Speaker 1>other way to revive the economy than Chinese style reform

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<v Speaker 1>and opening. We should first set up corporations and after

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<v Speaker 1>that set up subsidiaries under them. If we bring about

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<v Speaker 1>such development, would it not lead to capitalism. It's unclear

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<v Speaker 1>how his father, Kim jong il, reacted to this suggestion,

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<v Speaker 1>but it appears he responded coldly. Years later, Kim jong

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<v Speaker 1>nam told a Japanese journalist, I grew further apart from

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<v Speaker 1>my father because SCI insisted on reform and market opening

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<v Speaker 1>and was eventually viewed with suspicion. In fact, Kim Jong

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<v Speaker 1>ill began to regret sending his firstborn son to Switzerland.

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<v Speaker 1>He believed it had contaminated Kim Jong Nam's mind. And

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<v Speaker 1>when he felt that I turned into a capitalist after

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<v Speaker 1>living abroad for years, he shortened the overseas education of

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<v Speaker 1>my brothers and sister. And that raises new questions. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Kim jong Nam wasn't passed over for the successorship because

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<v Speaker 1>he was caught trying to go to an amusement park,

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<v Speaker 1>or even because his close family had skipped town and

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<v Speaker 1>spilled family secrets. Was he passed over and that because

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to open up the country. The basic fact

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<v Speaker 1>is that if North Korea ever took Kim Jong Nam's

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<v Speaker 1>advice to truly open up, regular North Koreans would see

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<v Speaker 1>life outside their her make kingdom and realize just how

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<v Speaker 1>oppressed they really are. If the Kim family ever dropped

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<v Speaker 1>the screen, the Korean people would discover that they've been

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<v Speaker 1>fed lies. The economy might rebound, but Kim Jong Il's

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<v Speaker 1>head it would be on a pike. In that case,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Nam didn't just have a bad idea. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a threat to the stability of the entire regime.

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<v Speaker 1>So father and son made an agreement. Told his father

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<v Speaker 1>told him, look, if you can get married, find a

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<v Speaker 1>wife here in North Korea, then you can leave the country.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you leave the country, you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>loyal to me, and you're going to do favors for me.

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<v Speaker 1>You're still going to work for me. Okay, and Kim

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<v Speaker 1>jong Nam found a home in Macao, and and that's

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<v Speaker 1>how Kim jong Nam ended up where he did in

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<v Speaker 1>Macau with his family. It's because he made an agreement

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<v Speaker 1>with his father. But that doesn't mean Kim jong nam

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<v Speaker 1>was powerless. It seems that his father did take up

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<v Speaker 1>some of his ideas. The country normalized relations with thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>Western European countries. In two thousand one, Kim Jong il

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<v Speaker 1>was quoted in a party newspaper apparently admitting that change

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<v Speaker 1>was needed. Things are not what they used to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties, so no one should follow the

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<v Speaker 1>way people used to do things in the past. More

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<v Speaker 1>startling was in the fall of two thousand two, Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Jong ille tried to court an office zone of northwest

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea, near the border of China to establish an

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<v Speaker 1>economic zone where in North Korean's could practice capitalism. Were

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<v Speaker 1>those ideas coming from Kim Jong Nam? There's no way

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<v Speaker 1>to tell, but evidence suggests that although the young Prince

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<v Speaker 1>was no longer living at home, he wasn't living in

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<v Speaker 1>exile either. The question is what was he doing next? Time?

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<v Speaker 1>On Big Brother, Kim Jong Nam strikes up a friendship

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<v Speaker 1>with an unlikely character, laying his cards on the table

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<v Speaker 1>and his life on the line. Big Brother is a

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<v Speaker 1>production of School of Humans and I Heart Radio and

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<v Speaker 1>hosted by me even Le Lucas. Riley is our writer,

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<v Speaker 1>co director and associate producer. Amelia Brock is our senior producer,

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<v Speaker 1>co director and at A er. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Barr, Else Crowley, and Jason English. Our fact checker

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<v Speaker 1>is Aaron Blakemore. Music composed by Jason Todd Shannon and

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<v Speaker 1>Tune Weathers. Original score mixed by Vick Stafford, Audio editing

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<v Speaker 1>by Jesse Nice Swanger Sound design and mixed by Harper W. Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>Audio correction by Josh Fisher. Voice acting by Mark Chung,

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<v Speaker 1>June Une, Mike Coscarelli, Daniel Kim, Sage, Kim Gray, Jennifer

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